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>>18210821>But successful nations all follow similar structures.How do you explain Teotihuacan being on par with some of the most impressive Roman cities despite not using wheels or having developed any metallurgy?>~100,000 people in main 18 sqkm urban area, full expanse arguably covered 37 square kilometers>That main 18 sqkm area was a planned urban grid>Almost all of it's structures were temple pyramids or large palace compounds used as apartments most of the population lived in, with dozens of rooms, painted frescoes, open courtyards and some plumbing systems>Has some of the largest pyramids in the world, some of which were built in single construction phases as unilaterally planned projects rather then gradually being expanded over time>City had rivers re-routed through it's grid layout and positioned to appear in certain ways from certain angles, reservoirs for drinking water, and could flood it's huge Ciudadela arena plaza/courtyard for rituals, along other waterworks>Had ethnic neighborhoods with Maya, Zapotec, Gulf Coast and West Mexican communities>Possibly a democracy or a republic, no clear signs of royalty or autocratic rulers>monopolized key obsidian deposits to control trade across much of Central Mexico, possibly conquered Maya cities over 1000 miles away despite no wheels/draft animals and difficult terrain, it's artistic influence is felt all the way into Guatemala or even HondurasetcComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>18211847No, sorry kunta kintai, you're not meso America
>>18211966That anon didn't specify Africa, they were saying all societies follow a specific pathYet Teotihuacan and Mesoamerican civilizations clearly didn't. Africa didn't either considering you had tribal societies which developed steel despite not having cities and never developing bronze
Atheisms are unable to explain how are the world is supposed to work, and prefer sucking dick of their boyfriend's and allowing lgbt to groom there white sons. Yet why are we zoomers becoming more religious, atheisms? Why are zoomers the only generation against the lgbt?
>>18211460Atheists can at best suggest an ideology which they claim will make you happy, but not moral. They literally can not believe in morals without invoking some universal perfect ideal and - whoops - you're agreeing with the Christians now.
>>18211460Man survived on earth by using his mind and senses to interpret reality to a degree previously unseen in the known universe. It can be safely assumed that the human mind is the reason humans still exist, as we are not half as strong/fast/tough as most other creatures here. Thus, to infringe on a human's consent (the product of that mind) is to mistreat him, you are treating him as less than human. There, initiating force is evil and respecting consent is good. No mysticism required and you would have to ignore the most basic survival mechanism a human has to pretend it's not true.
>>18211980>infringes your consentOkay who cares? Anything going to stop me? It doesn't mean anything if everything ends when the sun explodes.
>>18211983>Anything going to stop me?Yeah, the police, who actually exist unlike god.
>>18212010Yeah, and what if I'm rich and connected and I bribe the police? All good now? Maybe I give them a little bit more money to rough you up a little.Is consent going to stop me?
>Between 1964 and 2008, Democrats won the absolute majority of the popular vote only onceThat's mental
>>18211636>society proceeds to go to shit for decades in betweenRethuglican niggers can't run a country.
>>18211636>Between 1988 and now, Republicans have only won the majority of the popular vote once.
>>18211942Bush 04, Trump 24?
>>18211636The breakdown of the new deal coalition and the urabn political machines resulted in the Democratic party suffering from internal splits, brokered conventions and weak candidates that left the party without a clear direction to go, only winning elections with Southern centrist candidates, and it wasn't until Obama's victory that Liberalism was rehabilitated as a viable ideology.>>18211942The post-reagan GOP suffered from policy mishaps, demographic changes and perception problems that left the party with deep rifts within it's establishment leadership and it's own base, as well as making the GOP brand unpopular with the general public.
>>18211636Democrats back then are more like republicans now. The left have moved the goal post to the extent pass dems won't have recognize them anymore.
Did Bush illegally hack the 2000 election by stopping the Florida recount?Can Gore win the 2000 election if the Florida recount didn’t stop?
>>18211863No, it was the opposite. The courts finally stopped something which shouldn't have happened in the first place. There were two main issues:> reading 'chads' and subjectively trying to read the motive of the voter.> the desire to recount only districts which would give the democrats more votes.See image for a good description of chads. When filling out a ballot, voters would punch a hole along the candidate name. Everything up to #2 (hanging and swinging chads) would count as a vote; but the dems were trying to argue that even #5 (pregnant chads) somehow showed the 'desire' of the votes. So in the eyes of random poll workers, someone sees what they think is an indentation on a ballot, and try to count it as a legitimate completed vote.Then when it came to recounts, the democrats only tried to recount in their strongest districts, where 'extra' votes would be routinely counted.In the end, the courts put a stop to it; with the random suggestion that no state should have the right to fuck up an election so much as to spoil everyone else's legitimacy.
>>18211863Yes, and 2004 was rigged because Bush didn't allow blacks in Ohio to vote for Kerry.
>>18211863It's possible (there had been one stolen election before, after all) but it doesn't matter because a hypothetical Gore Presidency would have been 95% identical to the real-life Bush Jr. Presidency
>>18211872we already know nigger districts are faking hundreds of thousands of votes with over 100% turnout every presidential election. Odds are democrats were mad their fake ballots weren't punched out correctly by their hired "voters"
>>18211872Why were Chads even used in the first place?A simple "Mark X to vote" would be a lot simpler and straight to the point
There’s something about the way Ancient Egyptians depicted eyes in art and monuments. I just find them very alluring and beautiful.
>>18210299lucky star a shit
>>18210299most people like large eyes, hence anime's popularity.
>>18211228Usually in Egypt
>>18209849They applied eyeliner to shield their eyes from the desert sun. Nothing more.
>>18210292woah...
Given the high level of discourse on this board and the sheer volume of discussion, has anyone here changed their position on a significant topic? If so, what made you change your mind?
>>18211104most people wanna signal to others that they're in the "in-group" rather than learn or discuss anything. even when anonymous.
>>18210988Resident effortposter always making elusive posts about the Anglo-American Empire (1528 to 1783) and shilling Webb reporting in
>>18210988They look like they fuck human men.
>>18211003nothing wrong with ai furry slop, the problem is the retarded argument its making
>>18210988That's not where her ears are
Is there a single argument why it is okay to treat other animals like how black people were treated cruelly for centuries?
>>18211689>satanicThe Lord gave us animals to have dominion over. You don't care what the Bible says; Stop pretending.
>>18210720given what i've seen cats do to shrews or squirrels in my backyard...yeah
>>18211691I dont think he had these murderfarms in mind when he said that
>>18211677Chickens have a brain the size of a marble, they're very dumb and have no awareness that they're going to die unless a predatory animal approaches. A processing machine doesn't register with them as something that will kill them.
>>18210248The real problem is that there's simply too many people in the world now. We can have the "ethical" consumption that hippies whine about if we just killed about 3/4 of the human population. Factory farming is a product of the logistical nightmare behind feeding billions of mouths per day. Be grateful you were born just in time to taste naturally born beef raised on the last bits of arable land.
Why did China fall behind Europe so hard? Why did Japan adapt while China did not? Did the Qing dynasty fail China?
>>18210577> being overrun with foreignersKek, did they know?
China has not been ahead of Europe since the Greeks. Historians are hesitant to say this of course because of the aura of paranoia over chauvinism, but it is basically true. You have some people twisting the definition of "advanced", and they are free to do so, but in this case China's achievements are in the same league as lip plates and moccassins.A historian talking about China is also biased in favor of embiggening it to garner more interest in the topic, not that they outright lie, rather they omit, they will point to a handful of innovations like the blast furnace or gunpowder without any further reasoning which the reader will take at face value without any further information given. You don't actually need a blast furnace to produce high quality steel. Gunpowder was discovered accidentally in the search for an elixir of immortality, not a result of modern chemistry emerging in China. These things are not evident of China being Wakanda and us not knowing about it.When you look at those things Europe had which China lacked the differences become stark, and quite early historically. China lacked the Archimedean screw and Euclidean geometry until the 17th century, they literally did not exist in China, out of countless millions of carpenters, blacksmiths and artificers over generations, none ever considered it. They had no formal system of mathematics, their religion was one with nature, yet not a single Chinese scholar out of all those who studied vigorously to pass the imperial exams ever thought to test any part of it. China in effect was stumbling around in the dark.It is difficult to understand how a lack of western logic, rationality and the beginnings of science could have such a profoundly stagnating effect on a civilization. The reasons for this, well, this is probably why historians are so hesitant to even touch off on this, but it can be largely attributed to China's geographic partial isolation from the rest of the old world.
>>18210240>Why did Japan adapt while China did not?A few reasons, one is that Japan's modernization didn't happen until after they saw how badly China (historically THE most powerful civilization in the world to them) was getting absolutely fucked by the Europeans. Europeans didn't really care that much about Japan and saw it as a poor backwater compared to China, which it was. So while they did have to deal with some minor unequal treaties imposed by America and Russia, they had an opportunity to modernize before the imperialists really started to fuck them, which China did not.But the biggest factor was that China had to face the Taiping Rebellion just as Chinese leadership was waking up to the reality of just how backwards they had become in terms of military and industrial capacity. This rebellion was a true national disaster of unimaginable scale that locked up the richest and most productive parts of China in rebel hands for TWO DECADES and killed TENS OF MILLIONS of people. Its interesting that the second opium war happened right in the middle of the rebellion and the Qing saw it as an annoying sideshow compared to the more important task of destroying the Taiping, an estimation I have to agree with.This was a massive diversion of resources and effort that could have been used to modernize the country, something Japan had no equivalent experience to.
>>18210402China great
>>18211946china poop
I begin to appreciate how he just had a gorillion people shot
>>18210128Let me guess.Let me take a wild guess.When it comes to Stalin you cherrypick whichever historian offers the least amount of deaths, with Hitler you accept the 6 million dead Jews and 30 million dead Slavs figures at face value
>>18210133All of these statements are true.
>>18210084>do everything wrong>win anywayhow did he do it?
>>18210441>we can't trust mainstream sources about Hitler, it's jewish propaganda o algo.>yes that's right, Stalin killed 100 gorilion people. It says so right here in these mainstream sources.
>>18211062Russia, they literally WANT to be oppressed. They will fight for their own oppression.
How did Noah build a 500 ft long ship from Cedar wood with only 4 men and 5 years? How did the carnivorous animals he gathered not eat him and his family alive in the Ark after a year in the Ark?
>>18209453How did he get the Marsupials to australia?
>>18209453How his family and the surviving animals not become horribly inbred? Same applies to adam and eve in order to get the human race going there had to be some sister ficking going on.
>>18209453Aura
>>18209453>Cedar woodNot in the Bible.>only 4 men and 5 years?Not in the Bible.>How did the carnivorous animals he gathered not eat him and his family alive in the Ark after a year in the Ark?Thank you for admitting that you have zero capacity for critical thought. I can't wait to hear your screams.
>>18209453It's always "cedar" and it's always from "Lebanon"
mega gigachad moment from xenophanes. i applaud his spirit and wisdom. he joins the ranks of anaximander.
>>18210971His point was to criticize people that believed in anthropomorphic gods at all. The Greeks basically believed in some kind of universalism, where there was only one set of Gods for the entire world, and every separate culture worshipped some version of them due to cultural drift or miscommunications or whatever. So if you encountered another culture, figuring out what names they called the Gods was important. Xenophanes didn't believe in anthropomorphic deities. He believed in a vague and barely comprehensible type of divine figure(s) that was more a description of geometry than anything else. Pointing out that all cultures merely believe the Gods look like themselves is meant to start to demonstrate the absurdity of thinking they looked like anything. He'd go further to talk about how if cattle could speak or paint, they'd depict the Gods with cow heads.
>>18211458and this is why paganism is stupid as fuck>yeah, the god that created evrything and evryone looks exactly like me!
>>18211526>Xenophanes didn't believe in anthropomorphic deitiesand because he is already gigachad tier.>He believed in a vague and barely comprehensible type of divine figure(s) that was more a description of geometry than anything else.i wonder if this influenced abrahamic religions. although god is portrayed as an old white man, and jesus sometimes as even blonde haired, there is still a sense of "vastness" to abrahamic god, that he cannot be defined by form. i wonder if they got this from him.>He'd go further to talk about how if cattle could speak or paint, they'd depict the Gods with cow heads.i read this, and thought it was ingenious.
he was a millenia ahead of time
>>18211832While your characterization of how their gods relate to creation is inaccurate, the kind of advocacy for "paganism" you see here is really just just ancestor worship with the mildest kind of abstraction.I'm a way, they are utterly mogged even in that by existing shamanic traditions. But those aren't inclusive enough to accommodate large numbers of people, again because these dedications are because of a specific familial connection most people interested in it would not share.
Take an introductory course on logic before you attempt to make arguments or debate on here. Too many retards. Thanks.
The only logic I need is propositional logic.
It costs literally nothing to wear a suit, not be a degenerate and ignore the media>but women don't want to LARP along with me so if i'd do this i'd be an incel so its all the womyns fault or somethingJust get a mail order bride then?
>>18211902>it was expected for every single American man to open his own factoryWhat sort of fucked up Death of a Salesman bullshit are they feeding you?
>>18211815So you're basically saying the only reason people can't have an ideal society is because women are retarded and ruined a good thing, kek.
>>18211918>you know what the government hates? Happy productive people who don't stir up trouble and pay taxes!You fucking morons actually believe this shit don't you?
>>18211815>ignore media>posts advertisement for unhealthy drinkGrim
>>18211944If people aren't getting high and ruining thier health with addictive consu.er goods or gooning to porn they're bound to cause a ruckus.
It's funny how these Christians always appeal to an abstract Platonic-Aristotelian god when the YHWH of the Bible is clearly an old man who came from a mountain and sits on the clouds (Mark 16:19).He is a concrete man who molded a clay figure in a magical garden and breathed life into it as if it were Pinocchio, who shared a meal with Abraham, who got angry because his soldiers were defecating inside the military camp, who was defeated by the enemy god because his soldiers had chariots.He is, literally, an anthropomorphic god of antiquity.It's not a Platonic idea during 90% of the Bible.He only assumes this more abstract Platonic-Aristotelian character from the Gospel of John onwards.
>>18208262>Or do they primarily believe in the Old Testament, making them followers of an Israelite tribal deity.There was in fact an early Christian sect which believed YHWH was an evil being Jesus came to save humanity from.
>>18210877Tick tock.
>>18211655Tick tock time for you to Give me your coat and turn the other cheek. >But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.Matthew 5:38-40
>>18211804Come on by and I'll give you all the rope you need to snap your own neck with. I'll cheer as you tie the noose! :D
>>18211811Enjoy hell.
The fact that Abrahamic religions never truly took off in East Asia is testament that they are religions of conquest, not Evangelism.Thousands upon thousands of missionaries poured into East Asia and still do to this day, but it has hardly made a dent in East Asian culture. Christianity conquered South America, now South America is now one of the most Catholic regions on Earth.Abrahamic religions have never swept over a region they didn’t conquer militarily. Missionaries in East Asia are largely seen as a nuisance even millennia later.And not for lack of trying. Christians and Muslims would have loved to conquer East Asia, but it was simply not feasible. Their societies were too robust and the landscape too difficult. Best they got was using their naval power to conquer outlying nations such as the Philippines, which are, of course, the most Abrahamic regions of Asia.East Asia is a testament to the utter failure of evangelism of the Abrahamic faiths. People always cite the rapid growth of Abrahamic faith as testament to its truthfulness, but they don’t acknowledge that they have rarely ever converted a population without killing them en masse.
>>18211207The reason why Christianity was so successful in the Roman empire is partly because of the trade routes around the Mediterranean.And surprise, surprise, the most successful Christian missionaries traveled by the silk road.
>>18211207>Christianity conquered South America
>>18211826Only because they’re an American vassal state. Christianity didn’t even touch the peninsula until the 20th century. Korea has always been weird with their isolation.
>>18211843>I can't read.
>>18211798Silk road trade, Arabs never managed to colonize the spice islands
