Did two non humans or one human and a non human give birth to a human? Would it have been moral to kill , eat and or factory farm that humans parents or parent but not their child? Pic somewhat related
>>18456187No the reason is plants are not conscious but humans and all birds and mammals definitely are, there’s lots of evidence that all birds and all mammals are conscious such as the Cambridge declaration of consciousness.The idea is to grant rights to all animals who are at least as conscious, intelligent, able to experience wellbeing, able to suffer, or whatever trait or traits you care about as the least intelligent, conscious, able to suffer, able to experience wellbeing, or whatever trait or traits human you care about. For many people this will probably be a fetus that is a few months old possibly younger
>>18456184The Quran is supposed to be the word of God directly. Unlike with the Bible, the Quran is supposedly dictated directly from Allah, rather than mediated through potentially errant human prophets. Thus, if there are errors, either moral or factual in the Quran, they come directly from God. Unfortunately, there are a lot of very implausible things in the Quran. For example, the teachings about hell:"...Those who deny (their Lord), for them will be cut out a garment of Fire. Over their heads will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back, and (it will be said), "Taste the Penalty of Burning!"Additionally:They will go back and forth between fire and scalding water.And:But those who disbelieve and deny Our signs will be the residents of the Fire. They will be there forever.Even the food is bad!Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>18456138>risk prion diseases, so not eat your parentsonly if you eat the brainand only if they already have said prion disease in the brain
>vegan>uses creationist logicChecks out.
>>18456104Human is a made up category.>would it have been moralWhat the fuck does that have to do with anything?
Why did ancient people mishear foreign words so often.Peking raviolis are named after someone who thought Beijing was named Peking because he didnt hear it right.Genies started as some guy who heard arabs say djinn and he misheard it and then he made up a lie about genies living in a lamp. Lol.
Different languages have different sounds that aren't in the listener's language. Chinese and Arabic are particularly cromulent examples.
>>18456456Japanese people still struggle pronouncing the letter "L". Sometimes it's less mishearing things and a combination of people struggling to pronounce sounds or tones of other languages and needing to transcribe said languages into an alphabet that might not provide a real equivalent to those foreign pronunciations.
>>18456466https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ3fRZ6E4P0&t=790
What is wrong with Dawkins?
>>18456451He's a materialistic determinist who argues that gene replication inevitably gives way to altruism instead.
>>18456450I suspect you think that because you only hear about him from goat herding apologists/grifters. You should read The God Delusion and you will see that he doesn't talk much about goat herder fantasies at all!
>>18456457>You should read The God Delusion and you will see that he doesn't talk much about goat herder fantasies at all!Abrahamic religions have always been his primary targets. Its the one topic he talks about with great derision over and over and over again.
>>18456453Okay, so you admit that your initial characterization of what he said was false.
>>18456459Not really, his arguments are against all religions, not abrahamic ones specifically.
What is this? Hell? No, this can’t be, I trusted the Science! They assured me I was just a highly evolved monkey, how could this be happening to me? What about all the good I did like promoting LGBT rights! AHHHHHH IT BURNS, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
>>18455122>Person believes that people deserve to be able to rebel against God and commit abominations to deface His creation as an insult to Him>for some reason God takes offense to this
>18455117>18455130you just know this guy is the male version of a broken house wife
>>18455138God bless you
>>18454548Strawman
>>18454030What if we made life good instead of bad?
Why didn't Old Turkic become a lingua franca of Eurasia?
>>18452284>>18454041The culture of the Golden Horde wasn't "local" in origin, it was Transoxianan and later Ottoman.
>>18451508Turns out when you have absolutely no worthwhile achievements outside of arrow proliferation that no one gives a damn what you have to say ultimately.
Shatuo first served the Tang dynasty in killing and raping other Turkic peoples like the Uyghurs Shatuo fought alongside Han general Shi Xiong in destroying the Uyghur Khaganate.>>18455945The Shatuo Turks were subordinates of the Tang dynasty and participated alongside Han Chinese soldiers in slaughtering the Uyghur Khaganate.In 843, Shatuo chief Zhuye Chixin (Li Guochang), under the command of the Han Chinese officer Shi Xiong, participated in the invasion of the Uyghur Khaganate alongside Han Chinese troops that lead to the near total violent ethnic cleansing of Uyghur Turkic people from Mongolia.They didn't give a shit about pan-Turkic ideology and participated with Han soldiers in killing and raping other Turks as well when under the Tang dynasty army. Did you think the Tang dynasty would ever have let them operate in China if they refused to first help slaughter and rape other Turks, retard?Li Guochang was the father of Li Keyong.Also Yenisei Kyrgyz Turks (whose royal Khagan of the Are clan claimed descent from Han Chinese General Li Ling and his wife, a Xiongnu princess, daughter of Qiedihou Chanyu) participated in the destruction of the Uyghur Khaganate.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
Genocide of Caucasian Sogdians and foreigners in China by Goguryeo general in An Lushan rebellionhttps://www.jstor.org/stable/4528925?seq=10#metadata_info_tab_contentsHansen, Valerie. “New Work on the Sogdians, the Most Important Traders on the Silk Road, A.D. 500-1000.” T'oung Pao, vol. 89, no. 1/3, 2003, pp. 149–161. JSTOR, www.jstor.org/stable/4528925. Accessed 19 July 2020.Goguryeo general Gao Juren in the Tang dynasty committed genocide and rape against An Lushan's community after defeating An Lushan at his headquarters in Fanyang (Beijing).Goguryeo generals were genocidal against Caucasians. A Goguryeo general Gao Juren who served in the Tang dynasty during the An Lushan rebellion ordered all Caucasians including babies to be murdered by tracking down people with big noses after he captured An Lushan's original base in Fanyang. His soldiers impaled and caught the babies on spears after tossing them in the air.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sogdia#cite_note-78>the An Lushan Rebellion (755 – 763 AD), which split the loyalties of the Sogdians in China.[77] The An Lushan rebellion was supported by many Sogdians, and in its aftermath many of them were slain or changed their names to escape their Sogdian heritage,[78] so that little is known about the Sogdian presence in North China since that time.[79]>The Goguryeo general Gao Juren ordered a mass slaughter of West Asians (Hu) identifying them through their big noses and lances were used to impale tossed children when he stormed Beijing from An Lushan's rebels. For further information on that, see Hansen, Valerie (2003). "New Work on the Sogdians, the Most Important Traders on the Silk Road, A.D. 500–1000". T'oung Pao. Brill. 89 (1/3): 158. JSTOR 4528925>mass slaughter of West Asians (Hu) identifying them through their big noses and lances were used to impale tossed children when he stormed Beijing from An Lushan's rebels.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9085500/
>>18456468Han Chinese men married Sogdian women in the period from Cao Wei to the Tang dynasty.https://www.ancient-origins.net/history-famous-people/miwnay-sogdian-1700http://researchgate.net/publication/376558253_Inferring_the_demographic_history_of_Hexi_Corridor_over_the_past_two_millennia_from_ancient_genomesMany Sogdian women worked in Chang'an in Guanzhong, and also Tocharian Kuchean women worked in Tang dynasty inns in Chang'an as waitresses and courtesans.
Jews>NOOOOOO!!!1!1!!1!1 YOU CANT PERSECUTE US DESPITE US CORRUPTING YOUR CULTURES AND USING DEBT TO ENSLAVE YOU TO US, YOU FILTHY GOYIM, YAHWEH WILL GIVE US VICTORYWhites>NOOOOOO!!!1!1!!1!1 YOU CANT REVERSE COLONIZE US DESPITE CONQUERING YOUR LANDS AGAINST YOU WILL AND PARASITING YOUR NATURAL RESOURCES AWAY, YOU INFERIOR ANIMAL, RIGHT OF CONQUESTAmazing how jews and whites are so similar.
>>18456224>hey Mr. Jew man I need a loan>sure you here ya go pay me back by x day>hey actually Mr. Jew man I'm just going to bitch about my debts to the king and have him kick you out so I don't have to pay :)Wtf? I thought this was the sort of behavior that Whites looked down on niggers for????
>>18456387Loans are predatory by nature. Economy been on a steady decline for almost 200 years by now is because if the economy was great, very few would have to get indebted to banks. Jews proto mafias getting bashed by kings when convenient doesn't make a wrong right
Why were there Indians in the German army during WW2?I thought Hitler was racist?
>>18455847So doing the actual fighting? IE being a meat shield?
>>18453869The Nazis were hindooboos. Indians are Aryans.
>>18454933Freemasonic Indians do not count. They betrayed and sold out India and turned India into an opium factory for the East India Company.
>>18455902>Table TalkFraudulent document.
>>18455902You’re coping with the fact loved jeets.
>facial reconstructions of Seljuk sultansWhy were they white?
>>18456222They look like 00s numetal wiggers with that haircut. Turks are so embarrassing.
>>18456222They look just like modern Turks
>>18456222>>18456263note the permanent stain of inbreeding spanning hundreds of thousands of years
Historically speaking why are Anglos the only people in Europe who have retained a violent, native criminal underclass?>Seldome shall you see anie of my countriemen aboue eighteene or twentie years old to go without a dagger at the least at his backe or by his side. . . . Our nobilitie weare commonlie swoords or rapiers with their daggers, as doth serving man also that followeth his lord and master. Some desperate cutters we have in like sort, which carrie two daggers or two rapiers in a sheath alwaies about them, wherewith in everie dronken fraie they are knowen to worke much mischiefe; their swords and daggers also are of great length, and longer than the like used in any other countrie, whereby ech one pretendeth to have the more advantage of his enimie>"The people are not so laborious and industrious as the Netherlanders or French, as they lead for the most part an indolent life...They keep many lazy servants, and also many wild animals for their pleasure, rather than trouble themselves to cultivate the land...The people are bold, courgaeous, ardent and cruel in war, fiery in attack and having little fear of death; they are not vindictive, but very inconstant, vainglorious, light and deceiving, and very suspicious, especially of foreigners, whom they despise."You don't see this kind of violent behaviour among white germans or frenchmen or spaniards.
>>18452935We have plenty of white junkies, wife-beaters, hooligans, bikers, scammers, thiefs, etc. here in Sweden, not least so in the rural backwater I'm from. There's even some in the commieblock ghettoes who join the immigrant gangs.
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>>18453748>The various italian and russian mafias are not a petty criminal underclassYou are eithera. Brownb. Underagec. Americand. All of the above
>>18452935>>18452940Dysgenics
>>18452935I blame a mixture of historical inbreeding, dysgenics and low culture (historically and in the present).You need to consider the role of the Industrial Revolution as a factor in this. Not only did industrial urban conditions start in Britain, they were also widely considered the most oppressive and exploitative. Generations of people brought up in such conditions further eroded what was already degenerated peasant stock.You get these degenerate underclass types all over the world. In many countries, they're the majority. In a European context, Britain is exceptional for developing this class, but globally not so much.
I once learned that Anatolian Greeks were in fact not an ancient people and that they arrived in the Ottoman era Anatolia in the 18th and 19th centuries trying to displace the Turks. Before the 1700s Anatolia didn't have a big Greek population.Greeks paid less taxes than the Turks in the Ottoman Empire. So they had more children and tried to displace the native Turks in Anatolia.
Greek population of Anatolia was around 2-3% in the 16th century. Very insignificant population. Vastly outnumbered by the Turks who are native to the peninsula.
>>18455956Still doesn't refute that the south coast of Crimea was majority Christian in the 16th-17th centuries. Tartars were not native to that region. https://www.azovgreeks.com/gendb/rus/pdf/chernoff_1.pdf
>>18455956Turks in general went into demographic decline in Balkans after 17th century. Their birth rates had fallen behind those of their Christian neighbors and were made worse by conscription
Was Jesus' appearance historically documented?There seems to be a campaign to portray him as a brown schizophrenic or some kind of mongrel and attack his image.I was under the impression that his pale skin, beard and long hair were well documented by his peers, but I can't actually find any resources.
it's what he did that mattered, not how he looked
>>18455110>>18455113Levantines can be pale, but he is not 'white European' like the fag OP thinks
>>18455110>historically documented
>>18455110Palestinian christians (& druze and samritans) would be an endogamous and isolate community with roots in the bethelmham. If you look at their non cherry-picked photos online, they range from brown gulf arab to levantine arab. People don't actually know what "arabs" even look like. It's not so much could he be "white passing" it's how likely was it?
>>18455113weren't the people around these parts whiter than they are now back then?
Still unrefuted btw
>Blessed are you when people hate you and when they exclude you, revile you, and defame you on account of the Son of Man.>Woe to you when all speak well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.
>My kingdom does not belong to this world. If my kingdom belonged to this world, my followers would be fighting to keep me from being handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my kingdom is not from here.
>>18454590Maybe it's all according to plan.Mark 4:30-32He also said, “With what can we compare the kingdom of God, or what parable will we use for it? It is like a mustard seed, which, when sown upon the ground, is the smallest of all the seeds on earth, yet when it is sown it grows up and becomes the greatest of all shrubs and puts forth large branches, so that the birds of the air can make nests in its shade.”
>>18456342Yeah and you're the one who's found that narrow path by rejecting the divinity of the man who's saying the very thing you're quoting, is that it? Kek. Fuck off, retard.
>>18454628>lack of central doctrineThat was an intended feature.
If Christianity isn't jewish, why had it, during its long dominance, never obliterated the jews? The largest purges against jews by Europeans had been by Pagan Rome during the Roman-Jewish Wars, and the Neopagan/Theistically Ambiguous Third Reich, before and after Christianisation. Christcucks never did anything beyond expulsions and pogroms, these likely being economic or political, rather than theological. Not one single large-scale war effort against jewry. Not one attempt to rid them out of Europe for good. Despite labelling them Godkillers, there's actually been many more vocal declarations of jews being friends to Christians, important to Christianity, or even calling Christians themselves jews. Explains why the clergy failed to prevent liberalism and marxism taking over: because they were in on it.All of which is why I call it Judaism-For-Export. For the one line it has maintained throughout two thousand years is having goyim convert populations benefit jews without inducting them into the privilege of Judaism proper.
>>18456375>Jesus being the messiah is taken out of context or badly interpreted.lol!>Jews post-Babylon do infact hear Moses and the prophets.pleasesuit yourself
>>18456379You lost.
>>18456383how? Jesus is clearly the God of Moses
>>18456379I accept your concession
>>18456399The God of Moses is one and transcendet, he is not a man.
Why couldn't he just bomb Baku? By december due to logistical problems it became surrounded by oil/mazut lakes, there is no way bombers couldn't ignite them.
>>18456264He was a British agent/thread
>>18456264Roads were so bad, anything beyond Ukraine was barely supplied at all, Leningrad got tigers and Rzhev got more reinforcements during the Battle of Stalingrad>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ3-TqeZqeA
>18456390Sorry, missed the plane point. The logistics of planes were not enough to make a bombing campaign
>>18456394How so? They obviously used aircraft during september offensive in north caucasus, also they waged bombing raids on astrakhan/volga delta.From my understanding baku stored so much excess oil/mazut in winter that even few raids could start a catastrophe.
Which books should I buy to understand history of China? I wanted some with primary sources like this, which I find interesting>"The (people of) Chien-chou and Mao-lin [YLSL always reads Mao-lien] are the descendants of the family Ta of Po-hai. They love to be sedentary and sew, and they are skilled in spinning and weaving. As for food, clothing, and utensils, they are the same as those used by the Chinese. Those living south of the Ch'ang-pai mountain are apt to be soothed and governed."
>>18456294My 2 recommendations to people who are just starting to study Chinese history are "the cambridge illustrated history of china" by Patricia Ebrey for ancient china, which moves very fast but gives a good overview, and "revolution and its past" by R Schoppa for modern history. It's a very balanced view, and gives a lot of recommendations for further reading. If you read the Ebrey book I recommend also getting as a companion her "Chinese history: a Sourcebook" which goes a long way to expand upon the main book with contextualized primary sources.
>>18456309>my suggestion for studying china is an american woman
