I legit don't get 20th-21st century art history. When exactly or who exactly was the catalyst that transformed art from something that combine philosophy, introspection, creativity, effort & refinement as well as presentation...turn into such lazy, psuedointellectual, politically weaponized shit? That champions something like pic related drawn by an illiterate haitian junkie that larped as a intellectual whose message was literally just basic >whitey bad! Capitalism bad!And insisted himself and be insisted by others to be included in sophisticated art circles and be considered a genius.Like its all going good throughout history, there was consistency in that they took great time and effort and much creative thought.Even the early 20th century modernists while sometimes grotesque and degenerate, still took a great amount of talent and hard work. Like Dada, Cubism, surrealism, abstract art AT LEAST REQUIRED YOU TO KNOW HOW TO DRAW A STRAIGHT LINE AND KNEW HOW TO USE YOUR COLORS.But then BAM suddenly it goes off the rails into this stupid shit in the mid 20th century. Was it that fucker Warhol? Did all the destroyed art and dead artists after ww2 just let a bunch of opportunistic businessmen takeover and convince high society that a can of soup or the use paint drop cloth of a painting class full of parkinsons patients, was suddenly worth millions?How does something like painting which is as old as humanity itself just degrade that quickly into such retardedness?
>>187654531.) Photography was invented, which reduced the documentary role of realist artwork2.) Photography also killed the suspension of disbelief associated with Romanticism 3.) Romanticist Artwork became seen as unchallenging and plebeian by the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Think the art equivalent of Marvel SlopOnce photography got off the ground and people got sick of Romanticist slop, it forced artists to explore more abstract subject, reducing art down to form and tonality, which gave way to Impressionism and later Expressionism The generic Romanticist landscapes you retards goon over never went away, but people simply stopped caring about them outside of Hallmark Greeting Cards. Mouthbreathing retards who are only performatively appreciate visual media like OP are then shitting themselves over pieces that aren't just generic landscapes, because to them it's not actually about art, they latch onto Romanticism because it's an identity marker for their broader trad politics. Congrats on having the same opinions as degenerate fat drunk Podcasters OP.
>>18765453>Even the early 20th century modernists>Like Dada, Cubism, surrealismstopmodern art was creared by CIA as an answer to soviet art. it's well-documentedit's literally the first slop and because it wasn't censored by the state, it served to prove that the USA was "the land of the free"
>>18765814The CIA didn't create modern art, they promoted modern art. People like Jackson Pollock were going to make abstract expressionist works whether the CIA was involved or not. All the CIA did was showcase his work to European art snobs, it was to make America look cultured to an otherwise snobbish European audience.
>>18765814The CIA didn't even exist during the interwar period you idjit.The Soviets had their own modernist movements with Russian Futurism.>>18765762>hating postmodernist slop means you like romantist slop
>>18765752That image is older than redditRetard
I don't get it. Why would you ever want to spend time mulling over what someone like BaUdRiLlArD meant when you can just read Wittgenstein or Carnap, especially when the latter two have created actually fruitful ways of dissolving philosophical problems? What philosophical solutions have continentals reached in the last 100 years?>inb4 "philosophy doesn't lead to conclusions and doesn't need to solved"Yes it does. Your favourite thinker is simply bad at it.
>>18766105Isn't analytic philosophy just math?
>>18766203A lot of it is asserting that language is problematic so there needs to be a more "analytic" approach. But ironically that desire for correction often leads to a mess that fails to present practical linguistic or mathematical arguments. Instead it tends to be something like meta-philosophy and it further separates the discussion from the tangible realities at hand.Those problems that analytic philosophy will "solve" are done so by erecting overly rigid constraints which are conveniently forgotten about after reaching a conclusion.
Philosophy is useless babble, doesn't really matter if it's analytical or continental. The only relevant analytical philosopher is Bertrand Russell because he also did math on the side
How would history change if Giuseppe Zangara had succeeded in killing FDR.
Anyone else fascinated by this guy? Jesus's biological brother who became the head of the Jerusalem church, and despite Paul revering him highly, the New Testament barely talks about him. Hell, even Josephus likes him so much he gives him a shout out and frames his death as an injustice that caused the high priest to lose his job.Do you buy the theory that he was written out of it to diminish his role in the early church?
>>18765037>>18765075>>18763985
>>18763978Works is a necessary condition for faith, which is a sufficient condition for salvation.
>>18765284James says that faith without works is dead, i.e. it isn't faith in the sense relevant to salvation. Paul likewise defines faith as something that involves works. "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything; the only thing that counts is faith *working* through love." I believe the confusion comes about because of what's explained in picrel from D.B. Hart's new testament translation, that Paul sometimes uses "works" as a shorthand for "works of the law," commandments and rituals revealed to the Jewish people specifically, such as circumcision, dietary restrictions, holy days, etc., which, if they were necessary for salvation, would mean all non-Jews would be doomed. But that's obviously unfair, so it can't be that God's criteria for salvation is fundamentally concerned with those things. In their place, Paul puts what he calls faith as the the more essential thing God is concerned with, something that everyone has had access to even without knowledge of a divine revelation peculiar to one group of people. "Or is God the God of the Jews only? Is he not God of the gentiles also?"
>>18765316forgot picrel
People are talking about the whole Faith vs Works thing but that's not what's interesting to me about James. It seems to me at least that James represents a documented, extinct form of Christianity. We know from the Bible that Jewish Christians existed that they kept the Torah and continued doing sacrifices while simultaneously believing in the resurrection of Jesus. Ultimately, this is what James and the Jerusalem church was. But it seems to me that they must have interpreted Jesus's death and resurrection radically different than the majority of Christians today if they held the beliefs that sacrifices to the temple and the Torah must be upheld even though Jesus was raised from the dead. And considering that James was Jesus's literal brother, the situation becomes much more fascinating. Protestants are desperate to get back to the "original" form of Christianity the apostles followed, but nobody really seems to want to grapple with the elephant in the room that it's likely that this Jewish Christianity was the original thing, and once more gentiles outnumbered the Jews, once the split between Jews and Christians became more clear, this version of Christianity became extinct.
>the car industry, that was minuscule compared to the rail and streetcar industries, killed interstate and local railIs this the most retarded historical thesis that people actually believe? Or are there retardeder ones?
>>18765785Way to dodge the question because it utterly destroys your argument retard.
In the United States, street railway companies planted the seeds of their own destruction. They were financially sketchy ,in league with corrupt local governments and brutally crushed strikes. Their charters locked them into a nickel fare which became ruinous with post WWI inflation. They encouraged sprawl with streetcar suburbs and much of their early profit came from land speculation. When shit started unraveling in the 1920s they had little public sympathy and auto, oil, tire and highway interests were just newer hungrier capitalists picking off the walking wounded. Post WWII highway and auto boom doomed them and whatever was left of public transit was dumped off on local governments as a bare bones service for poors. I love streetcars and hate what American car culture has become but it’s a lot more complicated than some Roger Rabbit conspiracy theory.
>>18764075I mean they're partly true, but it's not that the car industry did the killing on its own, but rather that Western governments from the '30s onwards heavily subsidized car centric infrastructure. Nazi Germany built the autobahn, FDRs America built the interstate system, verious European govts build their own car centric cities and highway systems in the 50s and 60s
>>18765953Good post. Americans will never trade their cars for public transport again unless car ownership becomes financially untenable, or drastic steps are taken to make public transport clean and safe.
>>18765731>the urbanist narrative online that suggests the mass adoption of cars in the United States in the mid-20th century was inorganic is plain and simply falseRight, but that's a separate issue. The meat of the claim - which is correct - is that the automobile industry spent a lot of time and money on discouraging, defunding and otherwise sabotaging mass transit to make personal automobiles the only viable option to get anywhere. >>18765953 makes good points and obviously places with a low population density weren't going to be ideal candidates for "just take a train bro" but for the coasts and great lakes in particular the amount of rail transit in the US is just pathetic and the cause isn't entirely organic by a long shot.
>dialectically destroys your windpipe with FACTS and LOGICkino
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Why didn't the Finland just take the Soviet deal and avoid the Winter War? They would've ended up with way more land.
>>18765421The Soviets were asking them to exchange away their most fortified border isthmus. The existence of that area was the entire reason they resisted to well.Trading your defensible chokepoint and fortifications, leaving your second largest city open to attack and stationing a decapitation force at Hanko near Helsinki in exchange for worthless undeveloped forest isn't a good idea. Especially when you've just seen what happened to the Baltics. >>18765575Definitely self-fulfilling. Germany was happy to blockade Finland for the Soviets' benefit during the war, it's only due to the war Germany saw them as a viable ally for '41.
>>18765421Commies aren’t people
>>18765421Like how giving the nazis sudetenland brought the "peace in our time"?
>>18765448They didn't
>>18766127Yes because that happened after the Winter War.
A slight mention of them turned Europeans into Hitler.
Western Europe loved gypsies who featured prominently in their theater, art and music, equated with liberty due to their unbound lifestyle.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RwPx58q5Aw
>>18766014You're not being very tolerant, Hans
>>18766230wewstern euro gypsies are whiter doeanglo gyppos are 100% aryan
>>18766277Left: Normans eliteRight: Anglo peasant
>>18766288Anglo peasants aren't swarthgoblins they are more like ogres.It partly explains their economic success, instead of terrified starved slaves they had men built like an ox who, though requiring an ample supply of beef and pints, were naturally hard working and easily reimbursed the expense.It is kind of like today where some boomer fires 1000 workers and hires 1500 visajeets who cost 1/5 as much only for their business to get 'jeeted, stagnate and go under like so many others.
Link to a first hand account from 1977 recounting an USA government concentration camp/ military experimentation facility where men are experimented on and tortured by military personnel.https://www.reptoids.com/Vault/ArticleClassics/dulceTEChistory.htmNEVER let them say “it happened in Germany and Italy but it can’t happen here.” The concentration camps and massacres of civilians inside the USA just have better optics and PR.
Why did Americans enslave French people?
>>18765967When did this happen?
>>18766069Uhh the slave trade???
>>18766092When did Americans do that? By the time of the American Revolutionary war the slave trade was all but ended
>>18765967Because it was funny
>>18766261They fought an entire civil war to free the french people from slavery.
>England and Germany both hate Russians>England and Germany both hate France>England and Germany both hate third worldersI don't get it. Why did they fight to destroy each other's civilisation and genocide one another's people
>>18763448>t.
>>18763396Hitler fight for Union army to free slavery.
Bump
>>18763402Out of nowhere, for no reason?
>>18763402>>18766225>A British redcoat saw a tornado for the first time while led by a general named BurncockInteresting event.
Please explain how you can be an Atheist while never turning into an Egoist.
>>18765587>far too many cyclesDon't think of it as a cycle. Think of it as a spiral. Spiral out. That's why its called spirit not cyclit.
Is it true that I should be virtuous (whatever that means), regardless of my subjective preference?
>>18766089No. You need to know what virtue means, and that requires subjective preference. But the subjective premise is just the point. You need, an argument, wich is your neighbor, to have a valid proof of morality.
>>18766192Where two or three gather in my name, there I am with them.Truth requires a measure of two or three, which is the measure of the water turned into wine.Yes. The void of nihlism has no meaning when all are one. Alone.The light is good. Divide. This is king David.Be fruitful and multiply.Love your neighbor as yourself.
>>18766192This is also why the proof of alcohol is twice the spirit. ;)The miracles are everywhere.
What would it have been like?
>>18764314Wrong. Nuking israel and india would have been better for world peace.
>Hitler dies>Succession struggle probably ends with a slimy Machiavellian like Göring winning and taking over >He's also a degenerate hedonist >Probably just liberalizes the Reich so he can carry on living out his hedonistic lifestyle with minimal concern and actual governing >Industrial society is inescapable so it basically just ends up like present day Bundesrepublik Germany anyways
>>18764274better than Europe today for sure
>>18764404yes you avarage neonazi 4chan virgin would be working 16 hours shift in shit factory so that Chad and his 9 children have a nice free house
>>18764274Reddit tier flag
How did they get to being France's long lost daughter from almost starting a civil war over being drafted to fight for france in wwI?
>>18766020>almost starting a civil war over being drafted to fight for franceThis is literally classic French behaviour tho
>>18766020I guess they consider themselves the true French, and the inhabitant of France just negro-arabian mutts.
>>18766056This, Vichy was last France hope
Why did France, America, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand support the creation of Israel after Jews had murdered hundreds of British servicemen?
>>18766033But Israel in its early years was very much a socialist country?
>>18764480The Soviets were the strongest Israeli supporters vs the British backed Arab powers. France chose to fuck Britain over because the former hadn’t restored them in Syria. America backed Israel on the whims of Truman who wanted Jewish votes, even when Marshal and Kennan begged him not to. Austrailia, NS, Canada followed America’s lead. Really the roots of the complete dissolution of the British Empire and its global influence laid with the Arab-Israeli War.
>>18766095>Austrailia, NS, Canada followed America’s lead.lmao. what a bunch of bitches
>>18766033Except the Soviets were also supporting Israel. Pretty much everyone teamed up to fuck over the British
>>18764480>ukrainian s.s.r. Wait a second, I thought Ukraine was made up
