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The Immaculate Conception is a Roman Catholic dogma that declares that the Virgin Mary was conceived without original sin, an idea that was formally proclaimed by Pope Pius IX in 1854, but which was already defended and debated by theologians before that date. The concept of an immaculate Mary, pure from her conception, had an important link to the idea of redemption and purity, being considered a model of virtue. In this context, one of the pillars of this theological discussion was a hadith attributed to the Prophet Muhammad, which describes how Satan would touch all the children of Adam at birth, except for Mary and her son, Jesus. This hadith was interpreted by Christians in a way that reinforced Mary's purity, associating the figure of the Prophet Muhammad with this definition of purity. Although in the Muslim world the Prophet is a central and sacred figure, his visual representation is not common, which makes his presence in Christian arts even more intriguing.

However, this hadith, when integrated into the Roman Catholic discourse, provided a basis for some Renaissance and post-Renaissance artists to use it in their works. The painter Nikola Bralič, for example, is known for his altarpiece from 1518, which, although lost, survived through a copy by Michele Luposignoli from 1727. In this detail from Luposignoli's work, Muhammad appears near Mary, holding a scroll that contains the cited hadith: "Satan touches every child of Adam on the day his mother gives birth to him, except for Mary and her son."
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>>18256103
>Amram; who, according to the Mohammedans, was the father of the Virgin Mary, (Miriam.) A confusion seems to have existed in the mind of Mohammed between Miriam 'the Virgin Mary,' and Miriam the sister of Moses.[19][20]
>Despite likely being familiar with narrative traditions represented in the Gospel of James, the Quranic account of Mary's birth does not affirm the Immaculate Conception.[30][31]

Kek. Allah raped the sister of Moses and that's who Muhammad is taking about not Mary.
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>>18256281
>Wikiislam
Gave me a good laugh
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Because "Mary" is akin to a hard drive, a tablet, whatever can hold knowledge or whatever.
The human itself is just an ordinary one that got pregnant normally.
Ritualistically speaking, she would be a stand-in for the rock or egg from which the god comes from but she in no way is special beyond bearing the child.

THAT IS ALL THERE IS TO IT.
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>>18256103
Everyone loves Mary except Prots
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>>18256103
Immaculate conception is not true because the dogma of original sin is not accurate either. She was conceived in exactly the same way as us and yet the Virgin lived in a manner so pleasing to God ("Hail Mary full of grace") that he would even be born by her. Try praying to her, even Jesus, our lord and God, listened to her at the wedding in Canaa
>Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.


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How would civilization have developed differently if there were immortal giant babies that would come and knock over whatever buildings people were trying to make?
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>>18256006
Underground cities, civilizations start in big cave systems.
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>>18256006
Dig giant pits to trap the babies and seal them in

After many generations, myths would develop of capricious giants and their banishment to the underworld
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>>18256006


THAT HAPPENNED; THE «GIANT BABIES» WERE THE NEPHILIM; MOST OF THEM DIED IN THE GREAT FLOOD; THE SURVIVORS WERE GRADUALLY HUNTED TO EXTINCTION.
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>>18256006
It probably wouldn't develop and progress would stagnate at basically semi agricultural stage were low yield seeds are thrown in fertile soil, abandoned and then collected few months later unless we find a way to trap them
>>18256262
OP said the babies are immortal

America was NEVER a "Christian nation"
https://www.usconstitution.net/tripoli-html/
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>>18256177
>>>18255730 (You) #
>Tell me more

It's been a long time but...

You know that old song like "to the shores of Tripoli?"

We had a war with Islamic pirates back when Thomas Jefferson & co. were still alive and the Founders tried to get out of the raids without a war by insisting since America wasn't technically a theocracy like Spain they were off-limits for jihad. (It didn't work.)

Some of the Fedora Shrek Reddit founder quotes are from them trying to get out of this through diplomacy (because we were a newborn country and didn't need a war) and this quote is so totally out-of-character for John Adams I figured it was from the Muslims-don't-shank-me-bro era. He was one of the more religious Founding Fathers (and his diary includes some C.S. Lewis-type stuff like wondering if Jesus Christ would have to redeem other planets.)
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>>18256233

These are more in-character quotes for this guy (who was my favorite Founder years ago when I was young because he was one of the only abolitionists, and I've hated slavery since pic-related- yes I'm that old.)

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

"Without religion, this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company; I mean hell."

"24 [i.e. 25] SUNDAY.
Astronomers tell us, with good Reason, that not only all the Planets and Satellites in our Solar System, are inhabited, but all the unnumbered Worlds that revolve round the fixt Starrs are inhabited, as well as this Globe of Earth. If this is the Case all Mankind are no more in comparison of the whole rational Creation of God, than a point to the Orbit of Saturn. Perhaps all these different Ranks of Rational Beings have in a greater or less Degree, committed moral Wickedness. If so, I ask a Calvinist, whether he will subscribe to this Alternitive, "either God almighty must assume the respective shapes of all these different Species, and suffer the Penalties of their Crimes, in their Stead, or else all these Beings must be consigned to everlasting Perdition? "

25 [i.e. 26] MONDAY.
The Reflection that I penned Yesterday, appears upon the review to be weak enough. For 1st. we know not that the Inhabitants of other Globes have sinned. Nothing can be argued in this manner, till it is proved at least probable that all those Species of rational Beings have revolted from their rightful Sovereign. -- When I examine the little Prospect that lies before me, and find an infinite variety of Bodies in one Horizon of perhaps two miles diameter, how many Millions of such Prospects there are upon the Surface of this Earth, how many millions of Globes there are within our View, each of which has as many of these prospects upon its own surface as our Planet-great! and marvellous are thy works! &c."
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>>18255706

He's correct, it was never a Christian nation even during the time of the Puritans. America has it's own unique religion, which is the American Religion, a syncretic faith that is an amalgamation of protestantism, rabbinc judaism, free masonry, and folk magic.
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>>18255706
America in it's founding was a deliberately secular state.
To argue America is a Christian nation, you need to ignore our constitution, national mythology, and the whole of our 'founding fathers' and instead go back to talk about John Winthrop or the Great Awakening.
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>>18256257
Interesting, weird but interesting

>The only communist state the US has defeats is Grenada
That's genuinely embarrassing wtf does the CIA actually do besides murdering centrists and selling drugs?
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>the US has defeats
saaarrrr
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>>18256290
okay you got me I'm barely literate

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Remember Argentina used to be 85% white and the rest light-skinned mestizos
Many years ago, Europeans stopped coming and immigrants from Latin American countries began to come,mainly people from Paraguay and Bolivia.
Now the native population is being replaced by brown people
In Argentina all this is completely ignored
the kids are brainwashed by telling them that the argentinian is the mestizo
some people even deny that the country was ever white.

https://www.amren.com/features/2017/04/argentina-a-mirror-of-your-future-buenos-aires-latin-america

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Holy fucking kek
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>>18255907
The smell of the gas reminded them of coming futures.
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>>18255907
Brown people always react violently to white people mocking them.
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>AI overview
Zoomers must die

>Spaniards were at the fore front of protecting EVROPA from the sephardic dutch menace
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>>18256218
Correct. The only reason the Inquisition is demonized is because they overwhelmingly went after crypto Jews

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How are we supposed to take the RCC seriously when they don't excommunicate the TLM people?

Do Christians really believe in talking burning bushes, magical animal boats, and that some dude returned back from the dead? Do they not realize how fucking retarded this all sounds like especially after trying to appear as the most logical and sensible group
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>>18256174
What is a woman
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some catholics here try to downplay it but they really do believe it lol

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>Uboat sinks passenger ship
>Uboat surfaces, radios intentions to all, raises Red Cross banner, and attempts to rescue survivors
>American bomber flying over radios that he sees the Uboat and receives orders to engage
>Uboat has to abandon rescue and dive, over a thousand were killed
>Karl Dönitz issues Laconia Order to never rescue Allied seamen
>Americans bring up this order during the Nuremberg Trials to indict Dönitz
>Full story is uncovered and Americans are embarrassed at their own tribunal

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These 2 are the same amount white on paper except one of these looks white and the other doesn't because they inherited different genes. This proves race doesn't exist because if race existed they would look similar races.
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No, that doesn't follow
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>>18255735
Saaaaaaar
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>>18255735
guy on the left is in peak physical condition and looks like a complete subhuman. Guy on the right is dressed like a serial killer, mean mugging, not holding up a professional sports trophy, and still looks better. I'm not saying you're wrong because I don't know how to solve this mentality of white = best, I'm just pointing out the facts.
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>>18255735
Why do Tartars always "lose" the "genetic lottery"? They never look actually white.
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>>18255735
>These 2 are the same amount white on paper except one of these looks white and the other doesn't because they inherited different genes. This proves race doesn't exist because if race existed they would look similar races.

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How did Nietzsche felt about War for the sake of thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy them...
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Nietzsche was a proto weimar cunt

Jews have a cuck fetish and you just need to read the OT to know it
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>>18255732
And christian say this obvious jewish written stuff is holy scripture and /his/christians claim that the ancient sex pests who wrote the old testament have nothing to do with the sex pests that are modern jews.
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>>18255737
That's because the world loves idolatry, and YHWH is the ultimate idol. While in ancient times people prayed for material things–fertility, prosperity, safety, strength, wealth–people go to YHWH for approval. And by approval I do not mean material blessings, I mean being loved by the creator, feeling special, unique, chosen. If God loves everyone then it makes no difference what you do, but if you are like the Jews, and now Christians and Muslims, you believe that you have the love and care of the creator because of what you believe in and what you do or don't do. So these scriptures, as filthy and evil as they are, appeal to the heart of so many who want nothing more than their very ego to be raised up and preserved.
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>>18255722
that's pretty hot ngl
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>>18255722
True
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>>18256123
>roman banging women

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You guys good?
What the fuck happened here?
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To further entrench himself in Bohemia (and because he made promises to the bohemian estates he had yet failed to materialise), Rudolf II. granted the protestant bohemian estates several privileges like freedom of religion, the inviolability of property and the right to build and maintain churches on lands of the Bohemian Crown in the so called Letter of Majesty of 1609. Rudolf II. was further able to strengthen his position with the aid of the Passauer Kriegsvolk - a mercenary army under the leadership of Laurentius Ramée (financed by Leopold V. who was a brother of Ferdinand II.). But Ramée saw the weakness of Rudolf II. and went rouge; possibly with the intention of securing the bohemian crown for his employer Leopold V. Matthias launched an intervention into Bohemia and militarily subdued the mercenaries and the bohemian estates, after seeing the inability of Rudolf II., elected Matthias to become the next King of Bohemia in 1611. Now completely powerless and only emperor in name, Rudolf II. was placed under house arrest in Prague and died in 1612. The Bruderzwist of the Haus Habsburg finding an end as Matthias now became the next emperor of the HRE.
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But the seeds of further destruction were already sowed. The position of Matthias wasn't as strong as one might assume. He managed to alienate the austrian estates after he became their ruler in 1608, as he demanded that they should first pay homage to him before he reassured them of their privileges - normally this sequence was reversed. This led to a league of austrian nobles who continued to challenge Matthias until his death in 1619. Another issue was that Matthias too failed to produce a legitimate heir - at least he married unlike his older brother. To add insult to injury, Matthias soon suffered from a severe case of gout and escaped to the comfort of his new imperial court, while he left the actual governance in the hands of Cardinal Khlesl. Due to his childlessness Matthias was pressured by the spanish Habsburg to nominated Ferdinand II. as his successor. Ferdinand II. became the King of Bohemia in 1617 and had to swear an oath to respect the Letter of Majesty of 1609. Despite this Ferdinand II. soon began with the counterreformation in Bohemia. Matthias tried to intervene in Bohemia and Cardinal Khlesl travelled there in person to reign in Ferdinand II. But both Ferdinand II. and Maximilian III. now demanded the abdication of Emperor Matthias and arrested Cardinal Khlesl. Now being a man of inaction himself and after having lost his capable political deputy, Emperor Matthias also found himself under quasi house arrest until his death in 1619. Maximilian III. died in 1618 and now Ferdinand II. was the sole power player remaining in the austrian Habsburg.
The fact that Ferdinand II. did not respect the Letter of Majesty of 1609 led to the Bohemian Revolt that would kickstart the Thirty Years War.
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>>18245789
Germans chimped out for the 10th time
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>>18248973
The Bohemian Estates took advantage of the Habsburg quasi civil war and chimped out when their 10 year old privileges were to be restrained back as Ferdinand was in the right to do so. Ferdinand’s great mistake was being to ambitious, his centralization should have stopped at the transfer of the Electorate to Bavaria and the centralization of Bohemia. But he tried to go for the entire thing at once.
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>>18255764
>as Ferdinand was in the right to do so
Ferdinand II. promised the bohemian estates that he would honor the Letter of Majesty from 1609 on his ascension to the bohemian throne.
>Ferdinand’s great mistake was being to ambitious,
That's true. He made the catholic estates of the HRE very nervous. The sacking of Wallenstein as the prime general of the imperials was done due to the pressure of the catholic estates for example.


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