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So these niggas are like 5 different ancestral groups grinded into a single culture?

>paleo siberian E & F
>tibetan D (red bean farmers)
>ancient siberian C (brownoids with dry ear wax)
>siberian susuya bear worshippers
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>>16677578
They were replaced by matriarchal yayois
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>>16677584
fairly certain their religious clan system failed to overtake jomon animism and they basically came up with the nihon shoki to justify why both amaterasu and the spirits existed simultaneously

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Are you team comanche or team Texas ranger?
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It's extremely hard to defend the Comanche.
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>>16677324
The Comanche could be brutal certainly, but desu they weren't really much worse than how war parties and invading armies typically behave. Raping, pillaging, murdering civilians etc is par for the course in war. I wouldn't consider them uniquely awful on that regard.
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>>16677324
>a bunch of slavers who killed people indiscriminately vs a bunch of slavers who killed people indiscriminately
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>>16675916
>team psycho scalper
or
>team "defenceless injun women and children? YEAH KILLEM!"

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So you're tell me a bunch of tribal people many thousands of years ago from an empty and plentifully food stocked continent, who had zero boat or navigation technology, developed it at a level that wasn't reached by the Polynesians until 1,000 years ago, and just for the purpose of sailing to barren waterless rocks with no cover in the stormiest most natural disaster prone place on earth?

Lets just say, I have my doubts.
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All it takes is one bad season and suddenly you have plenty of incentive to get on the boats and look for new places. Tribal structure if anything makes this easier as there is no tax collectors waiting for you back home or in your destination.

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>Genghis Khan, Hitler and Caesar all grew up in poor, unstable, high scarcity conditions in previously stable societies

People like to claim these characters were just born psychopaths, but what if they were in reality just blackpilled from an early age?
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>>16677553
...Caesar was a Roman aristocrat.
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>>16677553
Genghis Khan's societal conditions were never 'stable", at least when compared to sedentary societies, but the particular era he grew up in was much more violent and chaotic than usual so I guess you're right. Also literally all three of the figures you mentioned were a net benefit to the societies they ended up ruling so idk what the hell you're talking about with "born psychopaths".
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Italy was being fattened up by a flood of taxes from overseas in fact this had been the main reason for the social war. So not stable but definitely not an age of scarcity there

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Hello Cathodox.
If Transubstantiation is true, why do people with celiac have allergic reactions to the Host?
Thanks.
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>>16676021
Accidents are superficial traits of the horse which can change, but that are still true of this horse. For example, the horse has fur, it has four legs, it has a saddle, it can run at 30mph. And so on. All of these things are true, and appear to us as features of the horse. But the horse would still be a horse if they became untrue. If the horse lost one of its legs, if it’s fur fell out, and it couldn’t run as fast anymore, it would still be a horse.

Substance refers to those facts about the horse which must be true in order for it to be a horse. They don’t appear immediately to our senses. We have to study horses to get a clear picture of what “horseness” is in the abstract. What does it mean to be a horse? These would be things that are not only true of all horses, but which must be true of any horse. Horses are animals. They have bodies. They are mortal. And so on.
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>>16675835
And yet the orthodox church(es) and orthodox apologists defend Rome and use the term transubstantiation
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>>16676035
>Horses are animals. They have bodies. They are mortal. And so on.
Okay so when does the horse get transubstantiated here?
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>>16672188
>>16673155
>>16673198
>>16673215
>Le heckin zased internet atheists are at it again
Go back to r/atheism, this board is not for the likes of you
>>16673712
Is he holding a bread loaf slice?
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>>16672188
I know a guy who acted like you do now. Defiant, spitting in the face of God, being shitty to everyone around him. After years of compounding drug and social issues, he tried to find God. He now lies on his side in pain 24 7 praying for the pain to go away. He told me he realized he was foolish for acting against God for all those years.

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Why did he mean by his?
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>>16676841
He was likely over 200IQ or even 250IQ so we simply can't understand him, at least I can't
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>>16676841
Quantum physics is wild and points to consciousness playing a vital role in the universe. Nobody really knows how shit works but many famous quantum physicists held neoplatonist and vedantic views rather than being typical scientism materialism atheists. Even Pauli and Carl Jung came up with a hypothesis in regards to the relation of consciousness and the universe as a whole.

tl;dr: If you follow the rabbit hole that is quantum physics, you do not derive atheism and materialism. There are more things to reality than what reality lets on.
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>>16677250
>Quantum physics is wild and points to consciousness playing a vital role in the universe.
No it doesn't .
>Nobody really knows how shit works but many famous quantum physicists held neoplatonist and vedantic views rather than being typical scientism materialism atheists.
No they didn't.
>Even Pauli and Carl Jung came up with a hypothesis in regards to the relation of consciousness and the universe as a whole.
Even? lol
>tl;dr: If you follow the rabbit hole that is quantum physics, you do not derive atheism and materialism.
The vast majority of physicists are atheists. The majority of quantum mysticists are facebook moms.
>There are more things to reality than what reality lets on.
Certainly more than your brain can handle.
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>>16677527
>no argument
All smiles fren.

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What are some viable historical deviances that would make “more sense” than what actually went down?
Is there any event, sequence, concept or even human life that was so unexpected and/or unasked for that it’s impact feels more alien than unique?
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>>16673675
>What are some viable historical deviances that would make “more sense” than what actually went down?
Islamic armies don't go past Arabia.
France and Britain partition North America.
Northern Italy is unified in the Middle Ages by the Duchy of Milan.
The Ming Dynasty remains in charge.
A third colonial power other than Spain and Portugal enters South America.
Manichaeism doesn't go extinct in East Asia.
France doesn't become an outright republic in 1871.
Japan is unified later than the late XVI century.
The Normans fail to conquer all of England.
The Mongols retain control of all lands east of the Urals
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>>16675569
>Islamic armies don't go past Arabia
what would happen to the arabs from Shem and Iraq that welcomed Islam? surely byzantium and Sassanids couldn't mantain another 3 generations of warfare.
>France and Britain partition North America
yeah
>Northern Italy is unified in the Middle Ages by the Duchy of Milan
Sforza or Visconti?
>The Ming Dynasty remains in charge
with what deviation?
>A third colonial power other than Spain and Portugal enters South America
wasn't that lucrative.
>Manichaeism doesn't go extinct in East Asia
didn't they just wither during the Sui-Tang transition?
>France doesn't become an outright republic in 1871
Chambord would do retarded shit like skipping the Orleans from the right of sucession and try help restore that bitch Isabel II of Spain.

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>>16675737
>Sforza or Visconti?
Latter, the peak was in 1402, when Gian Galeazzo died, they just needed to consolidate their gains and then go a bit further

>with what deviation?
no over-extension beyond the Great Wall, Ming China is better prepared than Qing China against European colonisers. Opium Wars could still happen, but China could modernise similarly to Japan, thus dodging the communist revolution

>didn't they just wither during the Sui-Tang transition?
They still existed during Yuan

>Oda and Toyotomi seem absurd?
It seems a bit too convenient that they unified just in time to create a front against the Catholic colonizers. Not outright absurd, just convenient

>where would the anglos retreat?
Northern England, where the hilly terrain makes ambushes easier and they would have their back watched by the Scottish king

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>>16673682
>The rise of Islam
i agree
its essentially just a heresy of christianity (from a neutral standpoint) that shouldn't really have ever made it very far like every other christian heresy at the time
yet it managed to become the dominant sect of a previously mostly pagan region that became powerful enough to conquer the previously more unified christian levant
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>>16673675
I mean, the whole life of Hernan Cortez is so fucking absurd it almost seems like he was an actual rpg game protagonist. Dude could have died a dozen different times but somehow grifted his way into bringing down a whole foreign empire.

Than his nephew Francisco Pizarro came along and the whole story on how he somehow stumbled on the literal recently-crowned emperor by pure luck and managed to overthrow the Incas by extorting them is even more absurd.

The Aztecs and the Incas going the way of China and Japan (influenced by European powers, but not outright colonized) would be more plausible than what we got.

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>pure reason can neither proof nor disproof God
>practical reason commends us to postulate God
>therefore we have a duty to believe in God
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>>16675089
>>therefore we have a duty to believe in God
Which one? Muslims and Jews believe in God, but I don't think you're referring to either of those two groups.
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>>16677268
>These arguments fall apart when you remove the assumption that the only possible god is the abrahamic one, these kinds of "god is god by definition" wouldn't work with people of other religions, because they could just go "Yeah and it's MY guy, not your desert demon."
What? This doesn't change anything about the argument. And Kant's concept of God is strictly bound within the confines of pure reason.
>And personally, I also don't think these kinds of arguments could ever convert an atheist to believe in god, they work more as mental barriers for people who already believe so when they begin to have doubts they can just recall a bunch of these bullshit arguments and convince themselves that their belief is more rational than it actually is.
Well you're wrong about that too. It's why I believe in god.
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>>16677307
>Well you're wrong about that too. It's why I believe in god.

Even if that was true I feel there's a lot more context to your choice of believing in god than simply hearing this argument though.
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>>16677367
>I don't do my duty therefore noone does.
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>>16675153
no so answer?

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Why do modern authors and scholars try hard to prove people of history were gay?

>read Roman historian Rufus’ biography on Alexander
>mentions male lovers occasionally but the majority of the book is about his conquests, tactics, mercies and tyrannical episodes
>included in these accounts of his personal life are his escapades with Thalestris the Amazonian queen in which he is meant to have had sex with her non stop for days
So he is bisexual by modern standards

>reading a new biography written by Phillip Freeman
>so far has not stopped talking about Philip and his male lovers
>has an entire bit on the Theban sacred band and how they loved fucking each other
>starts the chapter with Philip loved the things that every Macedonian noble loved; horses, drinking, war and young boys.
>explains Philip’s assassination that it was his scorned boy lover Pausanias
>never heard that theory look it up
>it’s in contention and scholars disagree on why he was actually assassinated
>author doesn’t even offer other explanations just picks the gayest one

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>>16677251
Faggotry is entirely about deviance and psychopaths enjoy flaunting their deviance.
Thus, faggotry from psychopaths is to be expected (politicians, wealthy businessmen, etc).
We can deduce it’s about deviance due to the fact that women ALSO have buttholes. Meaning faggots purposefully overlook beautiful girlbutt (remember, even scent tells you to be repulsed by other men and attracted to women).
Also their relations with children rather than adults.
Faggotry is a chief pursuit amongst psychopaths bereft of humanity.

How does this relate to what you asked? Idk think about it. You have presuppositions which need challenged.

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Why does every single one of these countries claim that they "protected Europe from the Mongols" and that they "protected Europe from the Turks"? Who actually did it?
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>>16675759
None. Austria was the one that actually defeated the Turks
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>>16675759
They all did on different levels and to varying degrees of success. I'm not particularly proud of admitting it but even Albanians like myself played a role in the weakening of the Turks at great cost to ourselves due to the love/hate relationship our national consciousness had for them. Other countries like Poland, Hungary, and Austria have more direct ties to Turk-fighting, Serbs too, though that isn't to discredit our own national hero Skanderbeg for his revolt against the Turks. Ironically, were it not for the Serbs interrupting the Hungarians at Varna, it's a fair likelihood that Albania would remain a poor Christian rather than religiously ambiguous country that it is today.
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>>16676511
>not being proud of Chaderbeg
You're not Albanian.
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Poland and Hungary from the Mongols, Poland and Austria from the Turks. The others got conquered.
Sadly, Poland could not protect us from civilization's greatest enemy, the German.
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No one protected Europe from the Mongols.
Few protected Europe from the Turks because the conflicts involving the Ottomans were still based on geopolitics and not some crusader fantasy.

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Can it really be considered Europe before the 18th century
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>>16675638
Then half of it is Europe
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>>16675631
The concept of Europe only makes sense on ancient maps like these
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>>16675638
This. The "Europe ends at the Urals" is a meme. Northern arid steppes of Kazakhstan are not Europe, it doesn't matter how you try.
>B-but it's the geographic consensus
Europe is not even a true continent, it's just a western macro-region of Eurasia bound together by culture. So the concepts that should determine the borders of Europe are culture and aesthetic identity, not topography and physical geography.
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>>16675865
so why are we having a conversation about arbitrarily defined "europeanness" of people living in the european continent at all?

From the river to the sea germany shall be free!
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That's hate speech
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the rhine to the baltic isn't enough?

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I’m mix race but G25 says the historical populations I am most related to are Scandinavian Vikings

Is this accurate? My dna test says I’m of mostly British descent. I have no Scandinavian family and don’t know anybody from that region. Does anybody with north Western European dna just cluster with Vikings or something?
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>>16675428
Plug your coords into Vahaduo views West Eurasia PCA. But also most Iron Age Scandinavians and through the 16th or 17th century AD Scandis (including many today) were 1/4 to 1/3 subsaharan African, it's just mixed in with far north WHG/east asian
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>>16675541
unmixed algerians are an original group
but yes quadroons are kind of nafri but not really
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>>16675428
0.13 is an extreme distance, thats greater than the distance between Swedes and Turks IIRC

My guess OP is the increased Ancient North Eurasian mammoth hunter DNA from your Native American side artificially made your European DNA look more Northern (North Europeans have more ANE DNA than South Europeans)
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>>16677222
>most Iron Age Scandinavians and through the 16th or 17th century AD Scandis (including many today) were 1/4 to 1/3 subsaharan African
You are massively retarded
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>>16677433
That's just what they're saying

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when christians are finally in charge of the country(USA) which sector of christianity will hold all of the power? i doubt they’d all hold hands and willingly subject themselves to the others rule, who will split off? who will come out on top? what’s going to happen to the catholics they all seem to hate?
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>>16676641
>culturally reformed
No such thing.
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>>16676734
yeah this is why i question the christian nationalist movement. our separation of state and church wasn’t to protect judaism, islam etc. it was just to keep christian factions from trying to rule over each other and cause conflict. currently they have a common enemy but if they win, what comes next?
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>when christians gain control
>the group that is losing followers to the point half the country doesn't even attend church regularly is going to take control
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>>16676507
The Christian religion and the laws of God in scripture.
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>>16676507
The whole point of the USA is that the most dominant ideological sector would not imposed its beliefs on everyone else. That's what set the USA apart from every other place on Earth in 1776, and it is why many other countries took a similar trajectory toward freedom since then.

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Calvinism is the logical conclusion of Christianity
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John 3:16
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>>16672525
>Calvinism is the logical conclusion of Christianity
Aren't you forgetting one?
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>>16672525
Or, it’s the logical conclusion of germanic thinking
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>>16676031
Calvin was French tho and it spread pretty much entirely as a function of French influence.
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>>16673410
Personally imo TULIP sounds like something made up in a PowerPoint presentation


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