Why did the Christians hate National Socialism?
>>18524249Thry didn't. The Zentrum party supported the NSDAP after 1932 and up until 1924 Bavaria was a de facto völkisch dictatorship - here the leadership of the Zentrum party even had plans for their own "March on Berlin" but Hitlers Beer Hall Coup in 1923 beat them to it and afterwards the federal government was much more careful.
E-christian tradcaths have alot of overlap with /pol/ack wehraboos that it approaches a circle.
>>18524249>>18524859
>>18524864>The Holy Spirit, who proceeds from the Father>NO JESUS THE PROCEEDS FROM THE FATHER AND THE SON>No one comes to the Father except through me>NO JESUS MUSLIMS AND HOMOS CAN GO TO HEAVEN TOO>Go and make disciples of all nations>NO JESUS JEWS AND MUSLIMS SHOULDN'T BE CONVERTED
more and more christians now believe that only whites were made in the image of god and that nonwhites are pre adamites, is that true?
>is that true?No
>>18524614can you prove it?
The vast majority of Christians are Africans and South Americans so this theory doesn't seem possible.
>>18524649i meant white christians
What I mean by God is the God of classical theism. I am NOT asking you what it would take for you to become a Christian, a Muslim, a Jew or a Gnostic. That is a seperate discussion. I am asking you what you would need to believe that :Our reality comes from an infinite, eternal source of pure being (actus purus), that created our 3D universe as an act of intellect and will.To me, the above statement makes logical sense. Out of nothing, nothing comes. Existence, being is eternal. The early universe did not generate its own existence nor does it come from an infinite chain of multiverses (that themselves couldn’t have made their own existence) God is pure awareness, our consciousness/soul is created by him. The hard problem of consciousness ceases to be a problem. The complexity of the universe and its laws makes sense. It doesn’t even mean you can’t believe in science. Believing in a creator God does not mean you have to believe evolution is false and the scientific method is wrong. It’s just that this question falls outside the domain of science. Science deals with explaining systems and cause and effect WITHIN the natural world, this is asking why there is an existence in the first place. If you want “lab tested proof” and certainty then you will come up lacking. Because that’s not the correct way to approach a question of this magnitude.
>>18524843There is plenty of scientific evidenceof things that are outside of 3d spacetime, retard. Where did you get this notion that you can't have scientific evidence of extra dimensional things? Quantum mechanics is literally infinitely dimensional
>>18524850>There is plenty of scientific evidenceof things that are outside of 3d spacetime,You uh... you might want to fact check that one, chief.
>>18524867>You uh... you might want to fact check that one, chief.quantum mechanics using an infinite dimensional Hilbert space
>>18524869That's theory. Hasn't been detected. Is theory sufficient evidence for you? If so, we've got tons of theology you can pore through.
>>18524883What do you mean "hasn't been detected"? Quantum mechanics is the most well established scientific field that exists.I've read theology many books. They were all trash. I don't think new ones will be different
Nope. She was reptilian.
>>18523976No, obviously not.
>WE WUZ KWEENS
how would history change if every feudal realm had the technology and knowledge to develop nuclear weapons?
Fucking nuclear winterDoes it sound fun to you?
>>18523013I don't think anything would change honestly. Just because they in theory know how to do it doesn't mean a subsistance agriculture society will be able to.
What do you guys think of Georges Sorel? He seems to be mostly remembered nowadays for his unusual political journey and his role in influencing Mussolini.
Did Jesus even exist? Given the lack of any contemporaneous accounts of the Jesus character, at face value, the Doherty explanation given below seems more sensible than the belief that the people making up the Jesus stories literally believed in a living, breathing, super-powered, magician rabbi two thousand years ago who managed to get killed by some non-magical humans anyway. Are there any real refutations of it other than the consensus of bible scholars who obviously have vested interests in the topic?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Doherty#The_Jesus_Puzzle>In all four of these works, Doherty presents views on the origins of Christianity, specifically promoting the view that Jesus is a mythical figure rather than a historical person. Doherty argues that Paul and other writers of the earliest existing proto-Christian Gnostic documents did not believe in Jesus as a person who incarnated on Earth in a historical setting. Rather, they believed in Jesus as a heavenly being who suffered his sacrificial death in the lower spheres of heaven at the hands of the demon spirits, and was subsequently resurrected by God. This Christ myth was not based on a tradition reaching back to a historical Jesus, but on the Old Testament exegesis in the context of Jewish-Hellenistic religious syncretism heavily influenced by Middle Platonism, and what the authors believed to be mystical visions of a risen Jesus.
>>18523535>thwre are iver 20,000 manuscripts proving Christ’s existence,This isn't actually true. The manuscripts you're referring to are medieval christian manuscripts talking about jesus, not actual contemporary or near-contemporary writings about the man.>People don’t die for a lie, it is recorded all of Jesus’ disciples got brutally murdered apart from John for not renouncing ChristNo it isnt. This literally isn't actually a real thing that happened in history. Also, people die for lies all the time.Modern western civilization exists due to a rejection of christianity and an embrace of naturalism and science. Christians did not create modern society. The west under christianity up until the Renaissance and eventually the Enlightenment was a shithole.
>>18523535The west was founded upon Greece and Rome who were pagan. Try again
Bump. I'm looking into Richard Carrier's mythicism more now and the evidence against historicism is really damning.
Christianity, as a religion, has no native mysticism. It inherited an apocalyptic Jewish messianism, a Pauline crucifixion theology, and a set of ethical teachings about charity and repentance. What it did not inherit from its Palestinian origins was a contemplative metaphysics. It had no doctrine of the soul's ascent through hierarchies of being. It had no analysis of divine names. It had no triadic structure of procession, rest, and return. It had no theurgic theology. It had no apophatic negation as a pathway to union with the Absolute. These doctrines did not exist in the Gospels. They did not exist in Paul. They did not exist in the Synoptic tradition. They did not exist in the rabbinic Judaism that formed Christianity's immediate background.Christianity acquired its mysticism in a single documented act of literary theft, from the works of a pagan neoplatonist named Proclus, who Christians invented a fake name and gave credit to for his work instead: Dionysius the Areopagite never existed. The "Dionysian corpus" (do some research into this) is a word-for-word ripoff / re-branding of metaphysical philosophy written by the neoplatonist, Proclus in Athens. He had to flee from Athens to continue his work, when his academy was forced to close down by Christian emperor Justinian. 4 years after the academy was closed down, christians take credit for his works and bolt on some BS about jesus into it, while crediting the work to a made-up person with a made-up story that Paul converted them to Christianity.
ITT: Deniers going>Nuh-uh, Nuh-uh, Nuh-uh
Has emily wilson's odyssey completely replaced every other translation? When i read the odyssey the standard translations were fagles and lattimore. Today there are reports that bookstores only sell the emily wilson translation and it has become the standard for educational curriculums. Some say you cannot find other translations outside the internet, comparing the situation to the story 1984, in which they government destroyed records of the past in order to rewrite historyHas this modern translation really become the standard reading for the odyssey?
>>18520473Why are women like this?
>>18524802Like what? Like the straw woman a grifter made up to get people angry so they'd give him money in return for more strawman articles to make the more angry?
>>18524807what a despicable lying whore this wilson is. godamn
>>18524812The complete opposite of what I wrote but do go on.
>>18520425No, I did see her translation alongside the others like Fagles and friends.
Why do people have a problem with Zeus fucking mortal women? Nobody in Ancient Greece or today would have a problem with a hot goddess like Aphrodite coming down from Mount Olympus and having sex with them, so why do people have a problem with a hot god impregnating mortal women with a demigod?
To be fair the actual Greek religions tended to understand the myths in terms of rituals. Just like how Second Temple Judaism understand different meanings to the rituals with various metaphysical systems.
>>18523865It's more the rapey moments that bother people
>>18524008Plus his plans are too convoluted.>Be Zeus, Horny>want fuck girl, wife be mad>turn into bull, wife no see it me>make girl horny for bull>girl hires contractor to manufacture bull mating mount, so bull fuck her. 3 weeks of construction>have sex with girl>drown her and it makes an island chain
>>18524138>Hera sees another island has appeared in the aegan see >"oh for fucks sake, ZEUS!">Zeus is sitting in his couch, watching MortalVision, acting like he has been there all along>"Did you really think I wouldnt notice?">laugh track plays
>>18523865It wasn’t just women…
How are religions going to deal with the technological singularity? When machines become more intelligent than humans at every task, and continued advances in neuroscience and AI continue to disprove the existence of souls, free will, and divine intervention (these things have already been disproved but it will not longer be possible to deny that they have soon), what happens to religious belief? Will religion continue its long-term decline, or will religious movements adapt and reinterpret their doctrines to fit the new reality? Could fundamentalist groups become more militant and resistant as their core assumptions are disproved, or will entirely new forms of spirituality emerge around superintelligent AI and post human life? How are the world's religions likely to respond when humanity is no longer the most intelligent entity on Earth?I suspect Judaism, Christianity, and Islam have a 0% chance of surviving in the next ~10 years, but religions like Buddhism, Paganism, Hinduism, "spiritual but not religious" people, and, of course, atheists, will be fine.
AGI is here
>>18524009>deny it and cope
>AI will wipe out Abrahamism for once and for allI guess the iron chariots won in the end
>>18523788>who caresNot the AI. Its just a tool. It won't do anything unless an agent tells it to.
>>18522470Based on how the theists on this board behave, it can't come soon enough.
I still dont get why he did the HolocaustWhy waste so many resources on killing Jews when you could've used them for the war effort?
>>18524663Oh nice, glad to know you have telepathic powers and can read the minds of millions of Jews to know they are lying because no one who disagrees with you on anything could possibly have actual political convictions.
>>18519734Modern holocaust scholarship has tended to stray from the idea that one man was responsible or even that it was as organized as once thought. This is the center of the intentionalist and functionalist debate and moderate functionalism has pretty much won out in academia. The idea is that mass killings of Jews started on the eastern front by lower level commanders in the form of mass shootings and mobile gas vans. Then this policy trickled up to labor camps until you get shit like Auschwitzs. It makes even more sense when you realize non-genocide related parts of Nazi Germany also operated in this chaotic way, people doing stuff on the ground then trickling up and the higher ups pretending it was always their policy.
>>18524711>It makes even more sense when you realize non-genocide related parts of Nazi Germany also operated in this chaotic way, people doing stuff on the ground then trickling up and the higher ups pretending it was always their policy.Can you name a few noteworthy instances of this that resulted in policies on the scale of the holocaust?
>>18524735Honestly no, the holocaust was probably the magnum opus of this chaotic form of governance.
>>18524745ok well then any examples to back up this theory that are large but not on the scale of he holocaust
So instead of invading ussr and causing 30+ million death, all Hitler had to do was sell some better drill bits to Italy…
Oil was the least of Germany's problems. They were short on everything, including food.
Nobody knew oil was there at that time and they didn't even have the technology to extract it anyway. Libyan oil was discovered in the 60s. The same exact thing happened with Japan, there were oil fields in Manchuria they could have used which would have solved all their supply issues and nobody had any idea.
>>18523298Nothing you said is even relevant to the main topic.
>>18524261Debating the main topic is waste of time.What if the allies knew about all the oil in middle east?What if Germany knew about the uranium deposit in Czechoslovakia?What if Germany had built a F35?
>>18524268What if Boudica of Iceni possessed military prowess in shieldwall tactics and proto Scottish Schiltron-style formations?
average professing christians face when you say you are certain youre going to heaven when you die because you are relying on Jesus alone to take you to heaven
why do we even think god rewards good behaviour anyway?god could favor those who do evil deedsisn't that what the vikings thought? that they'd go to valhalla for killing whoever they thought was the enemy?
>>18515751Actions have consequences. A just God will judge a man based on his actions, not based on an incantation of the magic words "I accept Jesus Christ as my lord and saviour"
so it's pretty funny how Solitaire is real eager to slander and mock the Catholic church together with the sign of the crossbut when it comes to discussing the first son David had with Bathsheba who God caused to die because of his father's sin, he just dips out and has nothing at all to respond with because this one incident alone repudiates his underdeveloped hamartiologyin fact, he outright abandons the thread in which he said so many ill begotted things"the law is the law is the law"but apparently God is perfectly cool with simply killing a man's infant son because of his father's sin, even generations after he laid down the law of Mosesmaybe your own understanding of the law is not perfectly consistent, as if you're missing some kind of key qualification as to who exactly that law is for and why that would add just a little context to this particular tenet
>>18515639Jews of that time including jesus didnt believe in afterlife. Its was a later greek add on.
>>18524770>"the law is the law is the law">but apparently God is perfectly cool with simply killing a man's infant son because of his father's sinI have no idea who or what you're arguing with, but I need to point out that in the OT, even before Mosaic Law, the Lord points out that He tracks and judges the iniquity of families even unto the 3rd and 4th generations. This is not out of character for the Lord, and it isn't unjust for God to kill anyone for any reason because He is the author of life in the first place.
Post your favorite historical artifacts!!!
>>18524069Thanks fren
>>18521822bunda
>>18522849This is very much unlikelyFirst his father was a knight so he would be inclined to inherit his professionSecond it's Novgorod republic so he had much higher likelihood of becoming a trader if he felt rebellious Third priests in orthodoxy are allowed to marry
>>18523779I told you, they're pestles, Mom! Now stay out of my room!
>>18522856kek
>the latest /his/ lolcow is a christian who throws a tantrum when you don't address him as an agnostic>he used to be a reddit-tier fedora but converted to christianity when he failed to kill himself>he uses his miraculously saved life to shitpost on /his/ day and night>his special move is telling people that he's not reading what they're writing whenever he's cornered
>>18524245He's a Spanish mutt who lives in France he posted on /int/ once and got flagdoxxedmoors have an inferiority complex to italy
Does anyone have a qrd on the apparent discord that is being mentioned in the religion/atheism threads?
>>18524339Is "he" in the room with us right now? Did "he" pick up the mantle after you conceded? :^)
>>18524371I am right here, and yes I won and you lost
>>18524371Nta but I would like to confirm that he did indeed win and you did indeed lose.
