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>intelligent design
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>>18531631
The thing that I don't like, is that many animals can see more light wavelengths than we can. They can see the world in much more vivid color, and they can see colors that our brains literally cannot conceive of.

Try it: come up with an imaginary new color. It's literally not possible. This is very gay, in my honest opinion. If God designed humans then he not only gave us a stupid blind spot on purpose, but also cucked us out of seeing as many colors as other animals do.
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>>18531774
Lol you just got what you needed and that's it
the only goal is survival and we did it, the rest is irrelevant
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>>18531774
Other colors might not be relevant to us. We see in a narrow band of light that makes it easy to navigate 3D space. Seeing extra colors implies seeing outside of this frequency range, which could involve seeing light bleeding through certain objects, which sounds cool on paper until you realize you can't turn it off and now your vision is full of unnecessary visual noise. Birds may be able to see extra colors because they can fly above obstacles, so their vision is more closely tied to that rather than the need to navigate 3D space from the ground
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>>18531811
>might not be relevant to us
Yes, because we lost them during the nocturnal bottleneck, not because god is a spiteful retard. We actually used to have an ancestor with tetrachromacy
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I came to this board for history and half the posts are atheists mad at their dads. What gives?

Hot take: Indians wouldn't have gotten genocided if they were capable of co-existing peacefully with others.
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>white people are le chimp out, just look at WW2
> 50% of the ~70 million deaths attributable to WW2 were Asians, killed by Asians or people fighting back against Asians.
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>>18530114
That really depends upon what type of indians we're talking about, plains indians normally are nomadic steppe people, depending upon the date, or year, and then you have more eastern indians who before the age of exploration were more hunter, gatherers, or a mix between agrarian living, or something. I'm gonna be real I don't actually know how accurate that is since most tribes did not have a consolidated, or uniformed writing system, from what I understand.
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>>18530573
It happened multiple times to the cherokee
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>>18530573
There were several tribes in the Texas region that willingly converted to Christianity and swapped to farming that were later wiped out in a land grab.
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>>18532161
>cherokee
>peacefully coexist
Lmao
Lmfao even

Once you go there, no plead will help. Nothing that you say will change the situation. Surely God would understand that you were just stupid, you didn't think things through, it can't be that bad. Imagine being grabbed by the angels, about to be thrown into the eternal hell fire. You could scream for an excuse until your vocal chords exploded and even that would not change the situation. God already has infinite knowledge and he already knew every beg for mercy and every excuse you were going to scream.

It's just torture upon torture upon torture, and still just torture. Oh why oh why WHY. That's what you would spend the first year of burning in hell uttering, trying to convince yourself that somehow God will give one last bit of mercy. But it just won't happen. Just suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, just endless suffering above human comprehension. It's not possible to even grasp how horrifying that is.
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>>18530086
They don't want one as their religion mandates them to litter other boards like Indian parasites.
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>>18530096
I don't drink
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>>18525909
do your colleagues at muslim skeptic know you talk about isa like this ?
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>>18529372
The Lord said you would wish you’d never been born.
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>>18525769
>once you go there, no plead will help
Says who? Some religious institution?

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Happy Pride Month /his/
Have you thanked Alan Turing yet for helping British intelligence reverse engineer Nazi encryption and winning the war for the allies?
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Pride month is not about a sharp intellect.

What went wrong?
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>>18531623
Bezos is Greek, bruh
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>>18531248
It's the "wealthy industrialist with autism" phenotype
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>>18531271
Elon and Thiel are both NW Euros (Anglo-Dutch & German respectively).
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>>18531737
Elon is south african anglo. Different culture and way of thinking from american anglos.
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>>18531248
Now compare how average citizen looked back then and he looks now.

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It makes sense why the Germans, Russians, or Ibero-Latinx would larp as them, but why the Greeks?

Greece already had a rich and beautiful ancient history that produced and influenced everyone east, west, north, and south, including the Romans who at some point worshipped the Greeks. Couldn’t Byzaboos treat it more as a continuation of Ancient Greece rather than Ancient Rome?
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>>18531913
A better name than the Byzantine Empire would be the Constantinopolitan Empire. Because for most of its history that's what it was politically, an empire highly centralized around its seat of power which was fundamentally a continuation of the Roman Empire. Not a successor state, but Rome itself, with all the same institutions. Roman culture was at that time thoroughly Hellenized, especially in the East, and it just continued in that trajectory.
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>>18531945
that's already implied since byzantium=constantinople
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>>18531985
I don't think so, because when people think Byzantium they think of an image like OP's without realizing that all of that was essentially a Roman city state.
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>>18531913
Thank you for posting this original content! We rarely discuss this topic on /his/
I'm going to take some time craft a well thought out reply because I have never seen anyone ever propose such a topic. I'm sure you will all take my response into consideration when forming your opinion.
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>>18531913
Because the Romans buckbroke them so hard, overshadowed them so profoundly, that they couldn't cope with being Greek.

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Spanish churches look tiny next to them. How did that happen?
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>>18530919
Most Mesoamerican temples are small. Those big temples are rare just like all churches aren't St. Peters Basilica.
Most of the temple is dead space anyway, only a few had interior parts that go into the pyramid like El Castillo.
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>>18531194
>>18531322
Checked Cholula chapters in "Children of the plumed serpent" and it says at it's maximum height it was at least 62m high
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>>18530919
>>18532120
>massive
>70m
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>>18532173
It's literally the single largest human monument on the planet by volume. It's "only" 70m tall (which is still pretty dang big), but it's 400 meters wide
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>>18532173
you're conflating height with mass and it is fucking massive.


Also that isn't short.

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In Christianity, if being a true Christian means you have to believe that Christ is the son of God and that he died for our sins then are all ancient humans, and to a greater extent all the hominid apes, damned since they manifested before this convenient date when Christ walked the Earth and thus are ignorant to the means to salvation? Idk seeing as Christianity coalesced during a surge of Eastern Mysticism in Rome isn't this just a little too convenient? If this is the case then it's reasonable to assume the entire sociological framework of our planet is controlled by those chosen by nature. I want to believe in a creator but seeing as 99% of all other species have gone extinct how am I any better than them if nature used them to work itself out to get to me? Am I just a placeholder until the next evolutionary incarnation? How much of the thoughts being the interface to my emotional connection to a "higher power" have been programmed long before I became (supposedly) self-aware by those smarter than me?
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>>18531048
Amen to this
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>>18531060
How do you explain the studies of Cultural and Biological Anthropology? Archaeology? Are the thousands of your comrades who have dedicated their lives to these fields just all liars? Are the labors of their passions, available for us to see and derive conclusions of the physical world around us just some centralized fabrication? Does this really seem likely? Why would a human willingly choose to pursue something they love only to leave this existence lying about it? Are the bones all just fake? At what fault could you place on primeval man for their ignorance to the Christian faith?
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>>18530972
Romans 2:14-15
"For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)"

In the Old Testament, if the Gentile did right, and continued to do right, seeking for "glory and honour and immortality," God gave that Gentile "eternal life."

In the Old Testament it is obvious that the Lord uses the terms righteous and wicked differently than He uses them in the New Testament. In the Old Testament, "the wicked" are not people who occasionally break the Law in any capacity; they are people whose lives are characterized by habitual, gross violations of the Law. "The righteous" are those whose lives are characterized by doing right to please God. Like Job and Nehemiah, they are counting on God remembering their good works and showing mercy to them accordingly (Exod. 20:6). That is exactly the opposite of what the New Testament Christian believes about good works (Eph. 2:8-9).

In this age salvation is not by works no more: Romans 11:6 "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."

Obviously the people who lived before Jesus Christ were not accountable for rejecting Him, but in this age people are accountable for rejecting Him. The judgement of someone who rejects Jesus Christ and someone who lived in those ancient times and didn't have any knowledge of God, but only had the law written in their heart to let them know thar killing, stealing, lying etc. is wrong, is going to be very different.


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>>18531101
>How do you explain the studies of Cultural and Biological Anthropology? Archaeology? Are the thousands of your comrades who have dedicated their lives to these fields just all liars? Are the labors of their passions, available for us to see and derive conclusions of the physical world around us just some centralized fabrication? Does this really seem likely? Why would a human willingly choose to pursue something they love only to leave this existence lying about it? Are the bones all just fake?
What are you even talking about?
>At what fault could you place on primeval man for their ignorance to the Christian faith?
As I already said, the ancient pagans were not guilty for their ignorance, they were guilty for their sins, both original and actual. They receive a lighter punishment than those who sinned against greater light, but they still suffer as they deserve for their sins.
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No.

Jesus knows their hearts, and will judge all men by their works on the last day.
And he also preached the gospel to the spirits in prison, that's called the harrowing of hell.

You don't need to know the name of Jesus for the Logos to still effect you, because men are made in the image of God. Jesus is that image, and when you listen to your conscience it bears witness of your heart to him.

Basically, if you uphold his commands, you have hope even if you never heard of his church, name, or gospel.

>To ground morality in pure reason and avoid rationalization, you must adopt the categorical imperative
>The above point is a hypothetical imperative
Was he, dare I say it, a mouthbreathing retard? How did anybody take this guy seriously?
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>>18531935
Doubt it. I am able to lie unlike this hypochondric bedwetting pussy.
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>>18531958
Tell me about your achievements
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>>18531933
>How did anybody take this guy seriously?
The same way they take most Western philosophers seriously - they bought an algorithm where natural participative understanding was dying.

Discoursive reasoning has a secondary role in ethics, the primary driver is a sense of holiness, a sense of inherent value. As this understanding got weaker and weaker, we supplemented it with theoretical constructs like lists of individual "values" and various methods to reduce the good to utility (utilitarianism) or to conformity to perceived laws (deontology). We supplemented dying intuition with raw discoursive reason and Kant's categorical imperative is one of the boldest step towards turning ethics into an algorithm altogether. You could have a German drown in his sleep... a complete algorithmic systematization of intuition would still be the wetter dream. And we all bought it.
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>>18532017
I destroyed this niggas life's work just by applying some basic logic. By the way, have you noticed how you have no counterarguments besides seething? I'll take that as a concession.
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>>18531933
based kant hated homosexual and drug users

At what point of history greeks decided to finally stop larping as romans?
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>>18531635
They never officially did, but I don't think it's a coincidence that in the Empire of Nicaea they started talking about themselves as Hellenes again, instead of Romans and they also for the first time supported their Warrior Aristocracy and the small land-owning soldiers in Asia Minor, because the perfidious Elite of the Capital wasn't there to plot against and undermine them. With these warriors they instantly turned the tide, secured the frontier and doubled their territory in Europe by going on a huge conquest spree. But sadly this all ended, when they let the old Elite survive without a purge and stripped Anatolia of everything to rebuild the capital.
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>>18531663
Muzzies are too low IQ and enabled the greekjeet larp
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>>18531635
why was this only the "so called" roman empire to you?
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>>18531835
Because it was called roman but actually wasn't.
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20th century, late 19th

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>be Jewish girl born on June 12, 1929
>spend first decade of your life growing up in a normal middle class Jewish family
>have your world upside down when the Nazi Germany invades your country
>keep a secret diary
>in it, you detail your hopes, dreams, and ever-present and growing fears as the Nazis persecute, brutalize, rob, and ultimately exterminate your people
>you find yourself helpless when the Germans finally come for you too
>be sent to a place called Auschwitz
>die a slow and agonizing death of starvation and disease
>almost your entire bloodline is extinguished, only your father survives and left a broken man
>your diary is eventually found and published, your words now reaching and touching the hearts of millions
>80 years later, horny Southerners lust after you, fantasize incessantly to the thought of you being heavily pregnant, and masturbate to fetish art of you non-stop
>be Rutka Laskier
>pic unrelated
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>>18529830

Holy schizo
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>>18529292

OP literally explained it to you
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>>18527641

WHO KEEPS MAKING THESE
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>>18527653
>>18527745
>>18529294

You

brown
gay
samefag
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>>18527639
This one has soul, art, and kino.
>>18527641
WHO KEEPS MAKING THESE

How do you respond without sounding mad?
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>>18531837
Look, another nonsensical post with zero arguments!
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>>18531875
>projecting
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>>18531784
>Therefore there is nothing to do but accept it or reject it on its face. It's a logical entailment, not a claim that I am making.
Low-IQ take.
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Cool story.
Too bad it doesn't say anything at all.

Basically, A is A.
And I have nothing more to add.

That's the level of discussion.
Effectively nothing interesting was said at all, it's a truism.

One equals one, stop the presses.
Deepest shit ever man.

It's obvious he'd rather not think about that problem, pretend it simply isn't there.
That's sad, because you'd think he'd know better.


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>>18531604
This.

It's literally a waste of breath with effectively zero semantic content.
It would have been less embarrassing for him to say, I don't know what you mean by "universe".

>>18531707
mad

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Why did (and is) Protestantism/Evangelicalism popular/gaining popularity in sub Saharan africa and Catholicism? What does it offer exactly that Catholicism doesn’t? A big part of Catholicism seems to be the projection of authority through aesthetics, but the average person nowadays doesn’t care for aesthetics.
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See Julie James Davis for an example of a wealthy Catholic convert. (Jewish originally.) Her whole thing is aesthetics and how modern aesthetics are bad. Catholic converts in the U.S. tend to make more money than the general public and more than "cradle Catholics." It does something for them.
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>>18531213
>if you go to church you'll also do well in your business. Also the more you give in the church service the more money you will make because Jesus likes that. It's furthermore your "choice" in a sense to go to church
Who teaches this? Kenneth Copeland?
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>>18530989
Evangelical protestantism is completely false (including within the assumption that Christianity is true), but it's easy, you can make it be whatever you want it to be, and it is therefore the religion for the modern day world. Still wrong though. Narrow and wide gates etc.
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>>18530989
Catholics mostly attract more wealthy and educated people looking for ancient and cool aesthetics.
Evangelicals and other low Church charismatic movements attracts low IQ/poor people attracted by the promises God will make them rich
Both dont care that much about the actually dogmas
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>>18530989
the Jews orchestrated it

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Is Democracy scientifically debunked since free will doesn't exist?
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>>18532063
Whom are you quoting? Are you schizophrenic?
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>>18532072
You were forced to type that worthless post by physics.
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>>18532086
Yes. And yet inexplicably physics didn't to things like putting a gun to my head or putting me in jail for my dissenting political opinion.
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>free will doesn't exist
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>>18532114
you were predestined to make this post because of physics o algo

How did modern communism get completely co-opted into an ideology of resentful third-worlders non-white ethnonationalists sexual minorities and women when it was originally created and purely intended as an ideology for working class men in western europe?
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>>18531996
See
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>>18531592
It wasnt, read Marx
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>>18531920
I don't know how many people here have actually tried to read Lenin but he was really demagogic and venomous. I did not get a good impression. Everyone who was an enemy of his (which was mostly other socialists) were phrase-mongering lackeys or "renegades." No sense of humor whatsoever. Apparently in practical politics however he would behave this way and then completely flip to the other side if a person he denounced in the most merciless and vile terms yesterday was useful the next day. That's actually not so bad because it was never personal for him, he was completely instrumental, but it's not pleasant.

Probably a good politician though. Also rhetoric if you're a Russian revolutionary politician in 1917, for sure. Like maybe it's a Russian thing (they're great at silver-tongued insults) but I'm not sure what contribution really was for socialists beyond that in terms of understanding the world. Like some confused pamphlets on hot topics in which he contradicted himself whenever it was necessary and/or convenient? That was just awful but it's more a political style and organizational form (the party-state) that had an influence. The problem is that Westerners will look visibly insane trying to copy it.
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>>18531592
Third Worlders used Communist Revolution as a vehicle to transition to a form of Republicanism. That's why they'll often call themselves some variant of "People's Republic of Thirdworldistan". They didn't have the Classical Liberal framework that the western world had for achieving proper Republicanism. Marx himself actually warned people about this.
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>>18532108
>That's why they'll often call themselves some variant of "People's Republic of Thirdworldistan".
"People's democracy" was also a term that was used a lot. It's like covering Michael Jackson in Russian:
https://youtu.be/xX-6KxMuQn0


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