Why does /ic/ encourage every method to improve except the one thing that's proven to make you improve the fastest, which is drawing from life?
>>7734706Drawing from life is a sure way to, eventually, learn to like drawing.
>>7734732Just random life studies, yeah
>>7726425I will advice whatever to autistic hopefuls, because they'll do everything except draw.
My favorite threads on /ic/ is when OP makes a retarded claim, then someone comes in to instantly prove them wrong, not by pwning them, but being on their side and then posting proof that no it is in fact not the key to making it.
>>7734813Drawing an object in front of you, and a life study are not the same thing. Life studies are for learning observation and form. You're constructing things with primitives to how you *think* they look. This is pretty much the exact opposite of what you should be doing.
is there much benefit to learning the manga "style" if you already study realism? like, does drawing manga help with mastering fundies?
>>7734635Sexbots, genius. Infinite stamina. Infinite eagerness. Infinite flexibility. Infinite understanding of your body and preferences.
>>7734635it gets boring after a month
>>7734640my grandma used to say "they is only so many ways you can spit them pigs"
>>7734324Until it actually happens I don't see how it's cope.
>>7734246oh no no no westbros, how are we going to recover? we are getting called out, mogged on and dabbed on by Saito
Post beautiful fantasy illustrations. Bonus points for interesting compositions.
>>7734055
Yoshitaki Amano
>>7734100Why does everyone like Amano so much?
>>7734724is that a serious question? take one look at anything he's ever drawn or painted.
>>7734814Still pissed off Final Fantasy never got a game to look like this.Fucking Akihiko Yoshida got it but not Amano.
pyw autists seem to genuinely think they're doing this board a favor by "calling out the crabs" rather than being obnoxious and getting in the way of any potentially interesting discussion. Sometimes I think there's only one extremely autistic guy scanning the board 24/7 for any kind of tangible opinion, deriving a genuine sense of superiority from "annihilating" all these "permabegs" peddling "bad advice" to "keep him down".I get the impression there's a very schizophrenic worldview behind these posts. More schizo than /pol/ even.
>>7731504pretty cool, kinda annoying readin on that site tho i wont lie, also doesnt epsiode17 end abruptly?
>>7730563>proving you are actually an artist and not a fat brownoid frog poster is a bad thing now
>>7730563>there's only one extremely autistic guy scanning the board 24/7
>>7734017thanks, I appreciate that you took the time. To be honest I couldn't expect people to make sense of it, its such a mess. The first chapter, which was posted up to "episode 17" was a flash forward and it was a carry over from a previous iteration of the comic. I am so up my ass in the world building at this point I was having trouble keeping track of everything, but I kept coming up with ideas that I didn't have a chance to draw before I lost interest in it.
>>7734112holy pseudo psychopath post. with a messiah complex even, as if he's helping them, despite /ic/ having great free resource and reference material, which is what the old internet provided very easily prior. i say that while having 70 threads hidden though, so in part its not wrong to block out the shitposting, but thats all boards.
Hey, i just turned 18. I have been drawing for 2+ years noww. I was wondering what kind of practice should i do to become a pro like some1else or jeonghee1414 in less than 5 years from now. How should one grind fundamentals to get this incredible draftsmanship?
>>7734494>look at lots of feetTraces 3D feet is more like it.>I don't understand, how do they trace something without it being so obvious?It is obvious.
>>7734765How to be less obvious?
>>7734766>How to be less obvious?Don't draw anime
>>7734742anime is trace copy shit.
>>7734490You spend all day every day studying their drawings and also doing your own original work. Raw mileage is the most important thing, though of course spending 20000 hours drawing straight lines won't help you become a better illustrator. You have to spend that time actively trying to improve at the thing you want to be good at.
What's some commercial art you really like? Pic related (Celestial Seasonings).
Newman's Own products used to have these delightfully insane things like these.
I only thought to save them when I noticed that the box design was updated without these personal touches.
>>7733537>>7733536I miss these 20th-century cartoon designs so much. Will they ever come back?
>>7733536>>7733537I prefer him nude honestly. Something about the clothes makes him feel gimmicky to me.Are mascots even a thing these days? I can't think of a recent mascot character off the top of my head.
>>7734772Hmmm not so much, now that you mention it. People see them as a little corny these days.
Hi /ic/I hope you all doing well Btw I'll be posting my daily practice here (I hope I can keep up) So feel free to criticize and give me advices Today subject was leg anatomy
>>7728298Fuck you
>>7729962You can't fuck a /pro/ with your /beg/ stats
>>7731842Good one I laughed You're really a cool rage baiter and troll
did the op give up?
>>7734038Nah I just buried him as the /pro/ I'm and made quit drawing because he's below/beg/
ITT: "Art" "styles" you fucking despise.
>>7731964Yeah bro, I am sure the Japs who hate foreigners will gladly embrace you in their arms because you watched a couple Japanese cartoons, dumbass weeb.
>>7688666aisloppers
>>7709910It's always the weird nose they add to so many characters. It could be any of the style of noses, but it's always slapped on front and center, like they're deathly afraid of anything even remotely looking 0.000000001% like anime so they just go WHAM ugly ass nose. You could take away all of the other issues and leave the nose and the nose would still immediately ruin the whole thing. At least "tumblr nose" hasn't been as popular as it was in prior years.
>>7731960i am not a weeb but why are there so many fervent anti weebs who discredit the objective and observable artistic merits of any and all anime art? it's literally no different than saying you hate the entire canon of western illustration just because of something like diary of a wimpy kid
>>7734740> it's literally no different than saying you hate the entire canon of western illustration just because of something like diary of a wimpy kidBut there ARE dumbasses who constantly dismiss western art on this board, because they like anime and manga more than their western counterparts.Just look at >>7732901 .Ya gotta accept there's dumbasses, no matter the position.
i have just recieved a commission for a manga.What's the average pricing for that?
>>7734407
>>7734160To ask for a commission, you first have to learn to draw. Stop being such a sissy.
at least $200 per page.
>>7734160$60 to $200 dollaridoos per page depending on your capability and popularity
>>7734160i'd probably charge like 20 dollars per hour of labor if i took commissions.
why don't you guys push your own styles more? realism and anime are huge here, but it's easier to get attention with a unique style.doesn't have to be fancy. ed roth turned this style into a commercial empire in the 1960s.
>>7731980One of my influences, most people don't know who Vaughn bode is and just care about r crumb in the underground comix scene
>>7730868The most beloved artists tend to be ones with recognisable styles.Hell, a particular style works wonders because it's also a type of marketing, and I think a fairly strong one; would scott pilgrim have been as successful as it was if not for Brian Lee O'Malley's distinctive and fairly influential style?Would the Gorillaz be as beloved without Jamie Hewlett's work?I think not, and I think if you have a distinct style of your own you'll sell more work, because where else can the audience get work like that? It's you and only you? Despite how incredibly influential O'Malley's and Hewlett's work as been, I don't think either of them have been replaced by any of their would be copycats.That said, I think there's not much advice on it here because it's something that usually either develops naturally, or the artist shouldn't worry about, because their skills are not at the point where they should be worry about a personal 'style'.If you can't draw a box, why worry about style?
>>7731917>Devilman Crybaby and Umamusume are cut from the same clothsure bud
>>7732814when should an artist start thinking about style?
>>7732635Best post ITT.
Why don't manga artists care about 70-30 value dominance, giving the eye places to rest, using the full value range when rendering, or visual readability in general. So much of the art is just noisy.
>>7733924Do you have any idea how hard it is to come up with dozens of creative competitions every week? Storyboards are the hardest part of manga.
>>7733929Compositions*
>>7733924pyw
>>7733662>giving the eye places to rest bros eyes get tired looking at art lmbo
>>7733984Please be trolling.
Does /ic/ support the Bargue Method of learning how to draw? Many of the best artists learned from it, but I wonder if it's outdated.
>>7733748>It's one of the few things that gets easier just by (relatively) mindless practice.Accruaccy training has been anything but mindless and I suck fucking trash at it.I let my mind flutter for a single second and I get lost
>>7733735You most likely need to apply more ways of measuring. And practice it for weeks to get really fast at seeing them in your minds eye and applying them in practice.Vertical and horizontal lines, equals, halves, doubles, diagonals, angles, triangles, squares. Find them first in the reference and then apply them to your drawing.Then learning the subject matter, like anatomy makes it even easier as you can make assumptions without direct measurement.Practice measurement in isolation. Make lots of little sketches where the focus is finding the relationships in the proportions that only take between 30 seconds to 10 minutes.
>>7733756>I let my mind flutter for a single second and I get lostThat's just learning how to draw. As you get more confident, you don't have to consciously juggle a ton of different things at once. They'll be second nature.
>>7731847>Does /ic/ support the Bargue Method of learning how to draw?It's probably great in terms of learning to draw what you see, learning how to accurately do so (with grids, or measurements, or whatever else you use), how to accurately tone a piece.That said, while there's some benefit gained in your basic drawing skills, I don't think they're as great as simply doing those things. Is learning to copy going to teach you anatomy? Is it going to teach you proportions? Is it going to teach you perspective?So while I think it's an exercise worth doing a few times, I personally don't think there's as much to learn from it as simply going through one of the more oft recommended drawing books.
>>7733939this
Pic is one of the most successful artists in the US right now. The only key to success is to be retarded. The more you practice, the more you erode the marketable retardation within you. This is why great artists are so poor and retarded ones are not. Do not lose the beautiful and lucrative retardedness within you.
>>7731907You have Stockholm Syndrome, anon.
>>7731893no.
>>7729767and xkcd is the most popular* webcomic and marvel capeshit movies raked in billions and tou ought to realise by now alot of the population are knuckle dragging retards who dont know whats good and billion dollar marketing companies shill their trash directly into the eyes of these drooling faggots and if the people were truly well informed and owned a deep critical understanding of the arts none of this trash would even exist.but im sure you knew that
>>7731910Is OP actually Mr Krupp?
>>7731973>and xkcd is the most popular* webcomic and marvel capeshit movies raked in billions and tou ought to realise by now alot of the population are knuckle dragging retards who dont know whats good and billion dollar marketing companies shill their trash directly into the eyes of these drooling faggots and if the people were truly well informed and owned a deep critical understanding of the arts none of this trash would even exist.trvke
Van Gogh's drawings of hands are really good.
>>7731068he would be set as an example of a guy who "wasted time" on studies when his original work "looks bad"
>>7731052I really fuck with these. Nice rhythm and forms. >>7731054This one is great too. Lots of character >>7731068Fucking Kek
>>7731558Are you sure these hands are master copies? I know he did master copies, but I can't pattern-match these to Old Master drawings.
>>7731047you will unironically see better hands on /ic/ lel
>>7731558>literal ayy lmao's proportions holy beg
How much money are you guys making from your art in a year?
>>7732291I have first time clients use either DA shop commissions or Pixiv Requests. The site acts as the middle man so neither artist nor client can screw each other over. For trusted returning clients I give direct PayPal option.
>>7732698this is very imformative may i ask if the site actually sees the piece you are submitting?
>>7732820Pixiv sees it, DA doesnt
About 6500 from drawing at work.
>>7732843QRD?
