>Get into NYU art program as a teen>Working in the industry at 20>Get own show with full creative control at 25>Can't make rent at 32How does it happen? Is art one of those skills where you're just never able to hit a coasting point with it? Is it just animation specifically: I.e could a sculptor feasibly retire with a niche list of clientele?>Made sure it was just killing a drawabox thread post this.
>check social media>it's realhttps://www.instagram.com/dinoraye/?hl=enHer instagram dates back nearly 10 years, it barely improved since then.
>>7451726>At What Point is an Artist Safe from Falling?NEVER.There is no magic spell that will ensure you will be employed consistently for the rest of your life. Not in art, and not in any other profession. It's just the nature of reality.
>>7451726How did she even land that full creative control at age 25? Can't she just redo whatever she did?
>>7451735IIRC it was a right place, right time sort of deal. Studio was shopping around new ideas and specifically did not want any men or industry old heads so they could advertise having an all-female production. In walks Raye who had been trying to shop around her high school fantasy story and OCs ever since she started art college.
>year 2025>people still fail to comprehend art is an extremely risky career and the vast majority of artists needs supplemental income to even live
>>7451743In this particular case it seemed like the treacherous stretch had already been hurdled with being a showrunner (Faust and Craig might have bum luck with shows but nobody's heard about them literally risking homelessness, for example)
>>7451744you still don't get it
>>7451747>Billy and Mandy 23 years old as of that post>Mortgage fucked after losing job last yearThat's rough but shouldn't his house nearly be paid off by now?
>>7451748lollmaoI'm lucky my parents left me the house or I'd already be dead
>>7451748I'm pretty sure he produced all his shows
So random hobbyists on social media are doing better than actual professional artists these days?
>>7451726I'm so fucking tired of the animation industry getting away with treating their employees like shit. Make America Great Again
>>7451726Just marry someone with a real job, problem solved>>7451748Some people bite off more than they can chew
>>7451757Is there even such a thing as an animation industry in America?
Two years ago I was supposed to take the plunge into the industry and I'm so fucking glad I didn't. Seeing all these animators lose their jobs, houses, etc. is fucking insane and made me realize the animation industry is not worth it at all.
>>7451760the op girl is not an animator
>>7451726the show
>>7451765This is her recent art. Fanart of her show drawn by teenagers looks better than this.
>>7451765Oops wrong picture
>>7451768Oh darn I did it again…
>>7451759No it’s pretty much a poverty social club taken over by the mentally ill
>>7451771I mean 2/3 of those things apply to animation everywhere
>>7451771Yeah, but the “mentally ill” part is a pretty big setback…
>>7451765deserved
>>7451730>>7451765>>7451766>>7451768>>7451769"He" has no business doing animation professionally. Sounds cruel. But good riddance. >>7451747Artsy type is bad at math and couldn't do simple arithmetic.
>>7451777not even an animator, just the character designer / director
>>7451764raye still works in animation it makes no difference. The entire industry is in the ditch and then only animation industry big enough is anime and they pay their workers total dogshit, so much that decent japanese animation veterans moved to videogames
>>7451780Animators/storyboarders/background artists/whatever in the west (at least America, I don't know anything about Europe) are paid decently/well though. Even fresh graduates in LA make more than animators in director positions in Japan. That's when they're employed, at least, which is the bigger issue desu
>>7451726>>7451730>creator of high guardian spice>starving, can't pay rent Ahhh, justice at last. I wish that filth eternal suffering for the abomination he created.
>>7451765Seems like a walking red flag tbqh
>>7451769>“Evil cannot create anything new, it can only corrupt and destroy what good forces have invented or made.”It's hilarious to watch how westoid fucks try to copy anime and fail miserably
>>7451742So she was a DEI hire that the company lost interest in, makes sense.Entire movies have been scrapped because companies have post nut clarity.
>>7451726First 3 paragraphs could be written by me. Honestly I am mostly to blame for this, I slacked off the last 2 years, I was in this low energy low effort mode. I am a bit jealous of people in "normal" jobs, where most of the time you can run at 50% of your capacity for a while without having existential fear.
>>7451793>I was in this low energy low effort mode.You need to work hard when you're younger and full of energy.
>>7451765>>7451766>>7451768>>7451769lol
>>7451726Never, which is why I work a real job and do art as a passion project.
>>7451726Lemme guess. It's a case of shitty tv animation again?
>>7451782>high guardian spiceKek. Yeah that rang a bell.
>>7451726>create a horrible show that deservedly flops>people don't want to hire youWoah....
Begging to be hired is definitely the best way to get a job. So glad dei is dying
>>7451841It's not DEI, it's animation.I understand the schadenfreude at what I assume is a tranny, but this is happening across the board. Even Japanese animators are being fucked and their work given to south americans and various brown asians because they are too expensive, and Japanese animators were already paid shit as an industry standard
>>7451849>It's not DEI, it's animation.It is dei. She wasn't hired to create a show based on merit.
>>7451765Isnt that that woke anime something spice, that CR was too scared to air then stealth released it
>>7451856No one is. You're either an insider or you fit into whatever hole they were already looking to fill. They were always going to make slop for minorities, DEI was just marketing for it.
>>7451726No one is safe forever. The time of people working for one business or even on one career is over. If the corporate side begins to close and you don't have a good inside connection you need to pivot to figuring out how to make it on your own or a bigger career change.
>her>she
>>7451856Are you twelve?
>>7451885Yes, she has xx chromosomes
>>7451887>mexucan tranny hired to create a show with typical woke talking points despite not being able to draw for shit>somehow not dei
>>7451897Are you twelve and ESL?
>>7451897>it's not Minnesota, the entire economy is fucked>no, I'm in Minnesota
>>7451726I never understood why film production companies, which presumably want to make money, started catering to a tiny fraction of the population (the rainbow crowd) that actively tries to alienate everyone else.
>>7451903because literal jews made it so you can't get investments without scoring high enough on their diversity ratinganother thing is that flops actually make money due to tax write offs, it was common practice for hollywood studios to dump a stinker on purpose at the end of the fiscal year to pay less taxes
>>7451903Because the people running these companies have no creative talent or the foresight to let creative talent cook. They're incapable of seeing pay this week's metrics. People were willing to accept some gay shit like ru paul coming back and a couple fag movies doing well back so everyone rushed to not be the last to get their fag show on the air. Hollywood executives are so giving dumb they need the entirety of the planet telling them to tone it down before they actually tone it down.
>>7451911>>7451919Yeah. I also think it's a case of the inmates running the asylum. The suits and number-crunchers don't know how to do the actual work of making stuff, and they entrust it to graduates of universities who are almost all brainwashed into the most insufferable faggotry about pronouns, microaggressions, etc. So the lunatics are literally in charge, and if/when the higher-ups try to rein them in, they threaten walk-outs, lawsuits and other such actions that take a toll both financially and in terms of bad PR.
>>7451901People that are actually good at their job can still get jobs in the industry.
>>7451919>>7451927no, you fucking retards, I literally spelled it out for you, are you mentally fucking retarded?
>>7451945*brazilians who want to work for $2/h
>>7451726Him being an artist has nothing to do with his predicament. Non artists will be quick to sneer at him for daring to follow his dreams, thinking that they picked the "safe" path by wageslaving a pointless job for pennies, but they're both fucking broke. There are more people who can't get a job that are not artists than artists. The problem is this clown world we live in, but people naturally want to crab so they'll hate on the bastard trying to follow his dreams.
>>7451945What industry? Everything's animated by gooks and spics, the key animators are old heads with connections out the ass
>>7451945how do you know that?
>>7451947Both can be true, and are.
>>7451903Because Blackrock throws money at DEI animation studios
>>7451765Ohhh, come on, you are shitting me, it cant be true.ARE MUMERICANS really this delusional?I mean i trie to respect anyone, who is making art without ai slop and tracing. And after reading the text i felt bad for him/it/xim but this is the skill set of a child
>>7451765>>7451768>>7451769it's an outrage this hack was given a creative job in the first place.
>>7451841>I am seriously at the end of my ropeKEK
>>7451951>him
>>7451849The one in OP's post's case is 100% case of a DEI hire or more specifically a favouritism. It's about who she knows. A 25 years old should NOT be given a showrunner role unless she had successfully directed a show before. In actuality this might also be the case of the show was actually directed by a commitee and she's in there only to fill in the role, like many movies nowadays with directors with barely any title to their credit.
>>7452049it's 100% a nepo/DEI hire, but unlike other permabegs like Rebecca Sugar, xe doesn't have jew plot armor to stay in the industry for life.
>>7451768Man, not sure if disgusting faggot or a woman overdosing on hormones. This new breed of androgynous mutant really is something else.
>>7452086i would never describe somebody looking like that as a faggot. at least those groom themselves somewhat. the facial structure makes them obviously female. although can you really blame them for trooning out with such ugly features
>>7451778>just
>>7451726>a trannyngmi
Material manufacturing and production were shipped across the ocean. The economy is based on national debt and more and more complex financial tools. The whole market at the core of empire is made up. Profit is no longer derived from the sale of actual goods and services, it comes from the financial structures and scaffolding holding up the tattered shack of the American Dream. We don’t make anything anymore. Without a material base, you can’t have an entertainment industry that makes money. Animation is just another investment tool for groups like black rock. Every entrepreneur is just another customer for the banks. Every person is just an internet serf producing for their digital landlords when they aren’t producing for the boss man. America makes nothing but data on little screens. Why are you expecting to have financial security in a world on the verge of collapse? China still needs a few hundred years before it can save humanity, and i bet five dollars someone will hit the button before that can happen. And in the end, do you think drawing anime tiddies professionally would really change anything?
>>7451726If he decided to pursue FINE art instead of corporate art, he would be making 300k starting.
>>7452117Oh you mean the field that lets no one new in because it’s just a financial vehicle for shipping capital across boarders? Yes, totally! Good idea!
>>7452117And by fine art, I mean pure math.
>>7451726by the time this person was at school, american animation was already falling off. Competition from youtube and videogames killed tv, including cartoons. I too was thinking of joining animation but saw the writing on the walls and did illustration instead. Just like every other sector, be it tech or engineering ro whatever, you have to be realistic about your goals and try to predict what the market is gonna be like in a decade.You can make it as a visual artist in the influencer sphere pretty well. Just be fun and draw consistently. But animation? Not really.
>>7451726>I need to move to a cheaper placestopped reading right herehow the fuck do you realise you need to move out AFTER you drain every resource you have???
>>7452086heh, that means xir passed, chudcelway to own yourself
>>7452095>with such ugly featuresI wonder how they looked before trooning out
>>7451765holy shit that's disgusting, may God hear us and cancel that shit from ever coming out to any tv screen
>>7451841>>7452013>of my ropeHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAJKAJAJAJAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>7451765>>7451766>>7451768>>7451769Glad this tranny got fucked over, holy kek
never, why would you want to? its motivation use it as fuel
>>7451726The economy is falling down after AI and the Jews are thrilling from it, as they hoard all the resources. Artists being replaced by AI is the first domino that started the collapse.Trade fags are complaining their jobs are decreasing and never think about the people who are being replaced by AI are the ones who hire them.
>>7451747>Worldwide watched animation >Still ended up fucking brokeGrim. Please tell me that him made very poor choices with his money..
>>7451726>>7451765>looking for work>show runner/directortranny/high guardian spice aside those sound super duper hard to even get a job. Especially after failing at one. If she has a higher-demand skill in the field like storyboarding/ animating or drawing in general she might get a job doing other people's ideas and survive first. I bet those animators who work for high guardian spice might be doing better than her since they draw better.
>>7451726>read sad story>feelsbadman>Lets check out his art I wonder what show he worked on>High guardian spicemy Nigga you a DEI (die) hire your skills were never fundamentally polished enough to make it. You never made it off your own merit, welcome to reality. You can pretend for a long time but reality is a rubber band, you can bend and stretch it but it will snap back
>Graduate of a $68,978 per yer tuition (excluding room and board) art university>This is the work on your portfolio siteWhy? I mean I learned jack shit in my undergrad (and grad school is 10x harder) but my entire undergrad program cost $7,000. This woman paid (if she lived on campus) 10x more per semester for 8 semesters than I did for my entire 4 year program. And she's somehow currently more broke than I am, wtf?Are all art schools that don't involve you being some old master's slave-apprentice just scams?
>>7451730I do feel a bit bad for the retards who were gaslit into thinking that they have any viable long term future creating unlikeable garbage and not just propped up as a meme.
>>7452106>in-betweener>in-betweener supervisor>key animatorThe heck won't key animators/character designers would also be the one double checking if any animation cuts needed to be redone?
>>7453381it literally says it right there retard
>>7453383>retardStop using that word just to be edgy, SEAnigger-kun.
>>7453440>t. mongoloid
>>7451765Rebecca Sugar and her consequences have been a disaster for the human race
>>7451726And another one bites the dusthttps://x.com/bunhearts/status/1883665039472914924>Captcha: NAM
>>7451747>>7452980
>>7451747>>7453880if you don't own the rights to your IP, you aren't really worth shit
>>7453886Is there a book or guide to artists to make sure you never get screwed over by any contract or deal? If I were offered a large lump sum it would be hard to weigh it against all the concessions and ownership transfers
>>7451747What was he doing with his money for the past 22 years (2003 was Grim's start year) to suddenly go broke?
>>7454055The show only lasted 6 years and showrunners are paid less than you thinkPeople like Groening, Macfarlane, Parker/Stone are outliers
>>7454016Problem is, unless you've somehow created something that got huge before a company approaches you, the moment you try to be all "ackshully I want to retain rights and a % of the profits" they just won't hire you. They'll instead hire some other retard yes man they can easily con like the ones mentioned in this thread.
>>7454016Bump.
>>7454016Make/self publish a comic book first and hope for the best in terms of sales
Can't they open up some commissions to earn some money while searching for a job? Worst case they have to take a 9-5 while doing art on the side.
>>7454144"on the side" is a memeIt's just what people say when they don't want to admit that they gave upI have never met one of these "artists" who actually make finished drawings "on the side"It's just WIP hell
>>7454158So what do you propose they do? Just sit there waiting for a art job to magically appear? They need money to keep doing art.>I have never met one of these "artists" who actually make finished drawings "on the side"You don't look at much artists then.
>>7454195Show me 3 artists who are making fully rendered illustrations while having a 40+ hour a week day job
>>7454207shiratamaha, kinoniku, SateIIitedragon
>>7451726>32Well if she's single I'm taking her heh
>>7454224they got good as teenagers/college students with lots of free time
>>7451726>showrunner of a noteworthy animation flop>"wtf now I cant get a job?!"Is she retarded? If you run a chocolate factory business and accidentally created toxic chocolate that kills kids who the fuck is gonna trust you to open up a candy factory?
>>7453247>Almost 70 grand per semester in tuition>OP says her parents aren't wealthy>Her drawings are shitHow the fuck did she afford school?
>>7454579it wasn't just a flop either, a simple glance tells anyone with a brain and normal hormones it was made by entirely talentless hacks. There's unfortunate flops made by otherwise great artists, but this was a prime example of what happens if you give a permabeg howie a budget.
>>7453247You know those condom ads where they just show a toddler destroying shit around a house and the parents on the brink of killing themselves?This is the equivalent for art school.
>>7453247>Are all art schools that don't involve you being some old master's slave-apprentice just scams?For decades art schools have been a game of telephone, where the only teachers are either drop outs, or graduates who didn't make it as artists falling back on an easy job, and teaching mediocrily to the next generation who'll also become shit teachers.Only thing that works besides self-teaching is finding an actual good artist willing to mentor you directly.
>>7451768oh my god what a creature
>>7454016There is a compilation of books and documents detailing such, though the pertinent ones vary by region, so best just hire a lawyer.
>>7454658Lots of great artists during the heyday of newspaper illustration and comics learned from books and correspondence courses (like the Famous Artists Course). However, you have to actually do the work and follow the advice. Whatever route you take, art is ultimately a solo pursuit, and if you aren't driven to sit down and draw, you won't make it.
>>7454207What's that Korean steamer with random numbers as a username? He has a Mon-Fri office job. He's Asian, so you must know he works some crazy-ass hours.
>>7455130>What's that Korean steamer with random numbers as a username?Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?
>>7454581Student loans/grants. the more broke you and your parents are, the more they give you.
>>7451856You think there was ever a time in art where the best work was also the most popular?
>>7454207>while having a 40+ hour a week day jobWork a high yeld job with minimal hours, like selling drugs.
>>7454207>40 hours a week>can't find an hour a day outside of that to just drawHoly skill issue
>>7454786>Whatever route you take, art is ultimately a solo pursuit, and if you aren't driven to sit down and draw, you won't make it.You have just called out nearly everyone on this board, lmao. No true artists spends their time here arguing about drawing - they're too busy drawing
>>7454658>decadesliterally since late 19th century
>>7455735add a 2 hour commute, and now that's 10 hours out of your day on top of everyday chores, which you'd know take a lot of time if you weren't living in your mom's houseyou still haven't named any
>>7455765>excusesGive up art. You obviously don't love it enough
>>7455777>still can't name 1 (one) examplebet you don't even draw lel
>>7455789How exactly do you expect someone to obtain that information? Go around asking artists about their personal lives? The other anon posted examples above anyway, are you fucking blind?
>more basement dweller copeyawn
Elephant in the room is that anime artstyle is absolutely oversaturated. Go to any artist alley in 2025 and it's wall to wall anime slop.>inb4 they're cheap imitatorsnormies can't tell the differenceIt confounds me that /ic/ is obsessed with aping a style that is so common.
>>7451885>>7452047FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
>>7454581>>7455164Most of America's student debt is held by women.
>>7455821that's because men are dropping out of education and workforce
>>7451726> WB-Discovery mergerWhatever you think of the OP and their work, I think we can agree on hating that kike Zaszlav.
>>7451726>At What Point is an Artist Safe from Falling?When you get born into a rich family or sell ass to a rich gay.
>>7455795Let the guy cope, people like him wouldn't amount to anything. Cause people like pikat who was(sector shutdown 7 months ago) a full time software engineer was still having time to draw.
>>7456356To be fair, most engineers don't really do anything outside of a brief maintenance period unless something blows up. I've worked in a factory with an engineering station on the plant floor right next to me, and they were just sitting there 90% of the time, it was only when a turbine needed replacing or a new machine was being installed that they were really working the whole shift.
>>7451726Safe isn't the point, making it big is king. Doing what you want is king.
>>7455777>love artThat's cute, talk to me when you have a multifaceted relationship with art.
>>7451726tbf if High Guardian spice was my magnum opus I'd go career shopping too.
>>7452113So what the fuck do I, a white American able bodied male, do about it? Start a pencil factory?
>>7454207I think cutesexyrobutts is a software developer who started drawing in his late twenties/early thirties? i don't remember the details
>>7451849Animation died when its champions decided to revolt against everything that makes life beautiful. Try not spiting all of creation with your mental gymnastics and perhaps your work will be a tad more relatable. That's the purpose of animation by the way. Animate: to bring to life.
