Has anyone actually gotten good at drawing by using those? >Obviously assuming you have decent fundies too.
>>7439008The art industry will never tell you that you can learn ALL of drawing just by drawing from the masters (sette), drawing from life, and drawing from imagination. Just repeat those 3 things, and you never need to buy a schoolism or cgma courseBut the greedy kikes who sell those useless courses for $1000 a pop will never tell you thatYou DON'T even need stuff like Loomis to tell you the fundamentals, because you can learn all of it by studying other artists' work, but since Loomis' books are so cheap you may as well have them anyways. But it's not necessary.If you disagree with me, ask yourself how people can just "draw for fun" and still make tremendous progress and become pros before turning 18. They don't all have mentors. You can learn ALL OF DRAWING just by copying anime settei, looking at refs online, and making your own anime / comics
>>7439013My gut instinct tells me you are 100% right.
>>7439013>copying anime setteisIs there a video on this? I've been seeing this brought up a lot lately. I mean I thought about it as I was watching anime and if I REALLY pay attention the animators are basically just taking 1 head and moving it around from 1 angle on the sheet to the next angle and it's basically just loomising in the in betweens only when "sakuga" isn't happening on the screen. Like hanna barbera levels of movement. You don't need to grind a million heads for that, just the sheet for the start and end and middle images.
Settei or not, most people ngmi. It's just a fact of life. Like everything else, success probably has more to do with talent, luck, and age. Please check the anime/manga stuff on /ic/, especially on /mmg/ and /asg/. They are garbage. Crab and larpers have been advocating settei copying since forever. I guarantee they themselves haven't found success with it, and that's if they've actually followed their own advice. Believe what you want, do what you want.
>>7439036Hey man, if we're still asking questions it means we haven't given up. Don't be a crab.
>>7439008>decent fundiesthe final redpill is realizing there are no 'fundies' (i.e. abstract knowledge) that will help you actually draw anime.anime drawing is experiential knowledge. textbook knowledge on 'anatomy' is only going to help you remember things or design characters in a style. 'perspective' is the only 'fundie' that seems to exist in anime in a pure form, but even it is subservient to style when drawing characters. and as anon above said, it's all mostly learnable from studying anime styles.but on the other hand, experiential knowledge of poisoned western 'fundies' (distinct from textbook knowledge all japanese pro animators have) is going to cripple you because it changes the way you think and see. western courses smuggle in psychological attacks along with the little useful objective information they give. ever notice how any critique of anime is vague and reduces to platitudes about drawing red boxes/lines that don't exist in the images? it's because their mind is being rotted away by a wrong view on what anime style even is. they think their distorted ruler is going to measure everything correctly.>Has anyone actually gotten good at drawing by using those?every Japanese animator?
>>7439036>Believe what you want, do what you want.and this here is the reason for western decline in art. the mindset is hostile to true art and people are programmed to hate anything with a soul.
>>7439041>every Japanese animator?You mean the ones who did Loomis and Jack Hamm, have drawn since they're toddlers, immersed in quality Japanese mangas and animes, and went to art school or specialized animator program? But of course it's the setteis. Out of all the begtraps /ic/ came up with, copying setteis is probably the worst.
>but on the other hand, experiential knowledge of poisoned western 'fundies' (distinct from textbook knowledge all japanese pro animators have) is going to cripple you because it changes the way you think and see. western courses smuggle in psychological attacks along with the little useful objective information they give.t. psyopped westerner
ever notice how the only retort the psyopped westerners have to the truth is>bub..b.b.b.ut he has roomisu-sensei's book!>that must mean it's all the samethe most helpful method for drawing anime is detoxxing from all western media. a hostile worldview towards anime guarantees you'll never draw it in a sustainable way. and the west is very very hostile to it in both obvious attacks and subtle manipulation.
>>7439041>>7439042>>7439049Well you sure seem like you know your shit. Let's see your immaculate anime drawings
>>7439036>especially on /mmg/>I guarantee they themselves haven't found success with itBad example, there are people using that thread either now or in the past who are published in japan.Also nobody there advises to study settei. The common advice is to learn by making some fucking comics.>>7439042Japan approaches art with the exact same mindset though, generally speaking.
>>7439008Yes? Probably?What's the point in being so reductive? You know you don't have to do just one thing all the time, right? If you seriously think any specific method or practice is going to be your big ticket you're just not gonna make it, simple as.
Plenty of animators have.
>>7439078>Japan approaches art with the exact same mindsetIt's all the same! There's no difference! I, enlightened in this moment by my Western superiority have decided so.
>>7439008the setteis are just model sheets? I've seen some that are storyboards too for animes though.anyway a key reason for these model sheets is to understand the characters proportions and their costume.
>>7439084So fucking based and true, the japanese do it completely differently. And you, having studied using their unique methods, have a bunch of perfect anime drawings that are just pure distilled sovl, right? You should post just one of them to shut these brainwashed fools up
>>7439008Don't. You first need to be able to do realism. Only then can you stylize it in an appealing fashion. Just follow Western ways of thinking.
>>7439087>anyway a key reason for these model sheets is to understand the characters proportions and their costume.What do you mean?
>>7439035>You don't need to grind a million heads for that, just the sheet for the start and end and middle images.You don't copy it for animation but for internalizing a character designer's style.For animation it's a reference to keep expressions/bodies/clothes/etc on model.
>>7439090do I need to explain it more? There's something more important. Which is the secret to draw good anime characters. (I'm not going to reveal that information though)
>>7439095Sorry I don't trust that you have this knowledge. I have it and would like to verify that you do too. Share it in a way the uninitiated won't understand.
>>7439096ill say this much. maybe you do or maybe you don't. but it doesn't benefit me to learn it from you since I already have it.
>>7439084Aren't you doing the exact same thing?I read their imageboards. I've spoken with plenty of japanese artists personally. Their mindset is not any different than us. You have loomisbots, you have muh style autists, you have people drawing nothing but geometric shapes expecting it to magically make them good at drawing anime girls, and you have so many people desperately trying to find the one true way to learn art. I'm not just sitting here guessing, calling everyone who points out the obvious fault in my point of view wrong.And I'm not reading any more posts that don't have work attached.
>>7439013truthnukethis is why japs improve so fast, because they spend hours copying their favourite artists, it's also what youll see mangakas speak about when they discuss how they got started "i sat there and copied toriyama etc's drawings">>7439041just wrong
>just copy bro>just waste your time inventing the wheel bro>just draw for literal years broHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHmeanwhile actual anime, and actual anime artists:
OH NO NO NO NO NOHAHAHAHAHAH
>umm just copy bro dont do anything else
>thats westoid book no one us-ACK!
>open some randomass anime tutorial>its copypasted straight from loomis
>click on an actual animators tutorial video>they grinded FWAP like thousands before and after them
Here's your ancient sacred asian scrolls bro.
literally, actually, legitimately, unironically, all anime instruction is just ripped off from FWAP.
Can't draw a box? Then you'll never draw anime.
>>7439114>>7439115>>7439119>>7439120>>7439123>>7439126>>7439128>>7439129mental illness
>>7439013Post yours.I don't mind if you make it clear that it's just a lazy rushed and incomplete sketch of yours and you want to keep your true power level hidden, and this isn't an evaluation or test or anything. I think what you said is absolutely correct. But I am curious about what someone who espouses such an opinion's art style is like.Again, it can just be a 2 minute doodle, I don't want to sic the crabs on you or anything.
>>7439119I always found this guy's stuff to be weird because he has no published works right? Yet he is somehow able to teach how to draw manga. I don't even think he draws better than a decent assistant. Apologies if I was rude. I'm sure he is helping many and I respect that.
>>7439188>But I am curious about what someone who espouses such an opinion's art style is like.beg scribbles or photocopy
>>7439188"No".
>>7439114>>7439115>>7439119>>7439120>>7439123>>7439126>>7439128>>7439129The truth tsar
>>7439044>>7439114>>7439120>>7439119>>7439124>>7439126The fact you crab this hard confirms to me setters work. You are only telling an half truth. Obviously Fundies are important. But only doing fundies doesn’t help. Eventually you need to apply loomi’s methods and settei’s are perfect to learn anime style
>>7439235You are a super crab. And this is a half truth and you know it, obviously basic construction methods are nessesairy. But eventually master studies are needed that’s what settteis are for. You people that imply doing mindless boxes forever are EVIL. Sabotaging others. Fuck you.
>>7439314He posts the same series of images every time anime is mentioned, he's a retard/troll
>can't find settei for the anime I want to copyit's ogre.. might as well embrace the west
>>7439090Are you ESL?
>>7439453you can just copy frames from the anime
>>7439453>might as well embrace the westIt was always over for you from the beginning if this was an option to you.
>>7439013I've been doing master studies of my favorite artists and I've noticed that, while I can copy the hands they've drawn, I personally can't create my own unique hands, what do?
>>7439087>I've seen some that are storyboards too for animes thoughAren't those genga?
>>7439035>Is there a video on this?https://youtu.be/TMynlk7KhXs?si=rbPAolIXOfJADFPOAlso @ >>7439013 hi Howard!
>>7439527You keep copying AND you keep drawing from imagination, on your own. When you draw from imagination, you WILL run into problems, which then plant seeds in your brain, things to look out for when you DO go BACK to master copies. Doing this back and forth, copying then creating then copying then creating, this infinite loop is how EVERY artist has ever learned to draw. There are NO shortcuts, NOTHING you can do to get around this process.>muh Will Weston 8 week hand anatomy courseALL THE INFORMATION IS ALREADY IN THE REFERENCE IMAGE. YOU DON'T NEED SOME ASSHOLE TO TELL YOU THE INFORMATION ORALLY. JUST COPY THE REFERENCES ALREADY MOTHER BLOOD CHOD
>>7439902Thanks.
On a whim I looked up "how I learned to draw" stories for Eiichiro Oda, Takehiko Inoue, Yoshihiro Togashi, and Akira Toriyama, and all 4 invariably shared this path: start drawing as a toddler, receive some classical art training as a kid/teenager, then move on to apprentice another manga artist where they participated directly in manga creation every day for months on end. I won't bother to keep looking up artists but it seems like the formula is learn fundies and draw for decades, I really don't think you can "bottle" that lifetime of experience but just copying anime.
>>7439902>>7439013Pyw? Before and after?
>>7439902This /thread
>>7439902>>7439013Oy vey you can't be saying these things
>>7439902But but I need to spend another $199 next month for a new course. It's the one this time.
>>7439013Anybody stupid enough to buy a course or buy loomis books (he's dead, it's not like you're giving him money to make more books) when literally every resource you need is free online deserves to lose their money
>>7440114But for real, once I get Ixy's course then i'll actually GMI as an artist
>>7439902Thank you kind anon I will follow your teachings and post my work AFTER my gains.
>>7439008how are random uncredited animators able to draw every single perspective and angle effortlessly? wouldn't these people be the best artists on earth? Why are they working for a shitty animation company then? I must be stupid and missing something big here
>>7440191Most are credited though, you just don't care to look them up.>Why are they working for a shitty animation company then?Autism
>>7440191most can't. most anime are just front / side / 3/4 views. the ones who can end do walk cycles and perspective end up at studio trigger or ghibli
>>7439013>>7439902Unbelivable based.
>>7440191>how are random uncredited animatorsThey're not uncredited.>effortlesslyIt's not effortless.>wouldn't these people be the best artists on earthIf your definition of "art" starts and ends at "drawing convincingly dimensional cartoons" then yes. But that is not the majority view on art.
>>7440265Imagine being autistic enough to follow all this just to draw a cute anime girl
>>7439049esl + not a jap + cultish worship of cartoons + crab advice + no work postedkill yourself
>>7439316>He posts the same series of images every time anime is mentionedwrong, he posts consistent, easily sourced proof for whenever a random weeb shitter goes "uhm actually you never ever ever need to ever draw anything thats hard or makes you uncomfortable or doesnt make your dick hard, a REAL japanese artist folded over a 1000 times only copies third rate hentai artists like i do!!"
>>7440283Using the same series of images every time, so not wrong actually.
>>7439114 >>7439115 >>7439119 >>7439120 >>7439123 >>7439126 >>7439128 >>7439129 tranimesisters how do we cope????
>https://www.mangaupdates.com/series/ytc7ukj/animetaRead picrel and you will actually know how rookie japanese animators learn their craft (It's not just copying model sheets).>https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/3975343I also saw that artist post study of western instructors like hampton on their twitter.
>>7439105So true. Just look at one of the best manga artists. He clearly just copied Toriyama, right?
>>7440197>>7440247So, are you confirming that animators do not know perspective well and therefore draw characters from the same angles? What kind of slop are the japanese...
>>7440364yes, indeed, us westerners are much smarter and more talenter
>>7440247>cartoonsIt's anime, not cartoons.
>>7440368The answer to the first comments justified the sameness of the scenes, this is especially noticeable in rom-coms and SoL slop, modern cartoons lower this bar and this is bad>>7440370Your slop from Japan is cartoons, just like for the Japanese the Simpsons are anime
>>7440372>slopAnime is superior to cartoons both in skill and soul and storytelling techniques. You're just a cynical westerner who's psyopped to attack soulful stories and art.
>>7440374>skill Basically these are cheap slops with the same faces (possibly because they are carbon copies), the only difference is the use of the anatomical bodies of the characters>soulSoul is a relative concept, if you are talking about the style of drawing, there are people who consider the general style of anime to be garbage, if you are talking about something abstract, then this word can be applied to a variety of subjects, where those defending their “soul” will look at it subjectively.>storytellingThe plot in anime is template and dull, copying itself. Sometimes some scriptwriters decide to change this, then something good can come out, but basically it is the same type of rom-com garbage (for example, Ruri Gokou from Ore no Imouto ga Konnani Kawaii Wake ga Nai and Kushieda Minori from Toradora! have the same plot concept of love for the main character and sacrifice their love for the sake of the main character's happiness with another girl), there is no need to talk about the same type of harems and template archetypal characters. The same plot and dramatic anime are similar to typical melodramas for teenagers. Some scriptwriters take Western concepts and ideas to gain popularity (Kyuubey as an image of Mephistopheles, the problems of the main characters of Evangelion are inspired by Jung's thoughts in the book Conflicts of the Child's Soul, all modern isekai slop is a digestion of Western fantasy, Tolkien in particular)
>>7440392>Ruri Gokouchatgpt answer
>>7440393If your argument is that I did not call her Kuroneko, you are a degenerate cattle and did not refute my words
>>7440364Why are you replying to a post that says nothing at all along those lines?>>7440370Cartoons as in cartooning, the act of symbolically depicting the human form. Not cartoons as in Cartoon Network. People drawing anime are cartooning. Same way a 靴職人 is a cobbler.
New here. This thread is some kind of joke or meme parody, right? I don't know any professional manga artists or animators that say they learned from settei copying. Is it a 4chan's invention? Someone >>7439543 literally linked a youtube channel that explains this viewpoint. I opened that youtube link, and I kid you not, that guy has a video titled "How Many Hours Does It Take To Get Good at Art? About 2000 Hours" without showing any of his drawings. Must be a comedy channel, right?Now that I think about it, no one posted any of their own drawings on this thread.
>>7440392You're just regurgitating surface level information like a good psyopped npc. It's sad what the anti-anime west has devolved to.I know you're likely too far gone so this isn't a question for you, but are there any anons who had this kind of worldview and then grew to love anime? I want to know if there is a cure.
>>7440397>People drawing anime are cartooning.People drawing anime are animating.
>>7440402it's the same handful of people in every thread about anime, none of them actually draw. there's always the anime avatarfag and the retard writing essays on how anime is easy and shitty or whatever. at this point i'm convinced it's the same guy samefagging as 4 people
>>7440402You don't know any proffesionals period.
a lot of mangaka just trace models but for some reason you're not allowed to talk about it or else people have freakouts. studying it is still worth it though, in my opinion. You're studying the "answers" from a good artist, whats the problem with that?
>>7440439Using 3D models and references is different from learning to draw by copying setteis. Literally wtf are you talking about?
>>7440444I'm talking about a related topic on a level far above where you're at right now. That post wasn't for you, so don't worry your pretty little head.
>>7440402These people never post their work and have absolutely zero evidence for anything they're saying>uhh anime is better because... well uhh... WELL IT JUST IS OKAY!!!>to get good at drawing REAL anime (they don't have a coherent definition of what this even means) you should ignore the fundamentals>show them countless examples of japanese artists and animators telling people to learn the fundamentals, often using western resources - *crickets*>tell them to put their money where their mouth is and post their work - *crickets*It's quite evident that they're schizophrenic nodraw retards that should be ignored by anyone trying to get good at drawing. And to the nodraw schizos, don't even bother responding to this without your work attached
>>7439008drawing sluts like Akko is not a good idea in general anon
>>7440313>Read picrel and you will actually know how rookie japanese animators learn their craft (It's not just copying model sheets).Did you even read the manga? I just read it. Literally all she does is tracing. Even her practice at home is copying an anime frame, shown in picrel.
I’m 25 and never took anything seriously, but I’ve been drawing everyday for the last month. I guess I’m wondering, will I be able to reach the same level as people who started from a young age, or am I just going to be mediocre for ever.
>>7440481Oh come on, many people started late. This is drawing. Not math or Baduk.
>>7440359just go draw man you need mental help
>>7440478>an animator learns by doing what they need to do for the jobno way
>>7440478Of course she trace a lot of frames, that's her job as a newbie animator and its definitly a good way to get better.Yet, you missed the part where she was asked to draw EVERYTHING she sees, fill a sketchbooks in ten days, she doesn't just draw anime girls. Drawing from life, master copies, memory drawing, from imagination, griding fundies like perpective, gesture, constructions, anatomy it's all part of the process.>https://www.reddit.com/r/animationcareer/comments/1fp3h1r/i_am_a_producer_director_studio_owner_and/
>>7440525You have to go back.
>>7440392Did you unironically use chatgpt for this? Not even the most autistic channer writes like this
>>7440392No western media has ever used an allusion. It's a literary device exclusive to anime.
>>7440404You can't refute my words, you have no argument>>7440574I watched these anime, and the Kuroneko and Midori trope was well ingrained in my memory, are you a degenerate who doesn’t see the similarity in this? Or are you retarded who considers large posts to be generated? What kind of faggots are you trying to resolve the issue by accusing them of false action?
>>7439008I did this for a while, mainly for expressions and trying to understand the logic behind anime face "anatomy" or more like how they exaggerate and break the model when necessary. I feel like it was useful and just by copying so much some of the style stuck with me and I got better at depicting expressions intuitively which was what I was looking for mainly for storyboarding, but it all comes down to copying with intent and then trying to put that knowledge to use. So do like a healthy mix of copying = then apply it to your drawings/characters. Also don't spend too much time of each individual drawing, like 20 min max, these are animation settei they're done as reference for the animators that will take on the characters, not to look pretty, so do them quick and dont worry about getting them perfect.tl;dr yes but copy with intent and apply to your own drawings later otherwise its useless.
>>7440637>copying trigger the most westaboo anime studio for anime face anatomyKek la kek
>>7440313>Vol.1 Chapter 1: You're Never Gonna Make It
>yoh yoshinari is now westabooThis fucking thread
>>7440313learning
>>7440691yoshinari is anime bridgman so it makes sense
>>7440691You will never be Japanese
>>7440760>yoshinari is anime bridgman so it makes senseNTA, but not quite immersed enough in /ic/ culture yet. QRD?
>>7440265What a clusterfuck, Jesus.
>>7440862I'm just being schizo lol but I do find that Yoshinari's and Bridgman's sketches weirdly have similar shapes and rhythms. At the very least they complement each other. One's just realistic and the other heavily stylized.
>>7440749I mean he is supposedly a huge Mike Mignola fan and he did do those My Little Pony and Powerpuff girls drawings as well.
I am here to argue about Anime
>>7440941nah you're right, yoshinari is an artist therefore he understands good art is good art regardless of origin (culture warheads be damned). i've seen cornwell studies from him in either his deadwood or atmosphere booknot sure if he actually did study bridgman as i don't think bridgman was ever printed over there but this just shows that despite divergent learning origins, visual communication tends to come to the same conclusions
>>7440691You can't tell the difference between anime and other artstyles?
