How would you react to this situation? Cobble Beach immediately north of Newport, Oregon. There's normally an entry fee but today's a free day, so the place is packed. You're greeted by a few signs before you go down that say 1. do not go near the wildlife or interact with it 2. stay inside the perimiter (which is marked by the yellow signs) 3. don't throw rocks in the water and 4. don't take the rocks from the area. I have to stop this family that just kept throwing rocks all together, firmly telling them "Stop throwing rocks, didn't you see the sign?" and walking off. Thankfully they stopped. People kept going over the signs until someone literally walked up to all the seals and scared them back into the water. What would you say to this person if this happened right in front of you? Shit makes me furious, but I would be able to keep my composure.. I told the ranger walking over about it, but I'm not sure what all they would be able to do about it.
>>2873707I dunno, last time I met someone being a cunt in a national park I slashed the tyres on his car when I got back to the car park. I figured that would've given him and his family at least 12 hours to reflect on the importance of picking up your garbage since it's not like there was any mobile reception out there.Can't exactly do that to every car in a busy park though.
>>2873715pretty based anon
>>2873715Fake and gay fantasy
>>2873715I'm fucking kneeling rn.
>>2873707Honestly I don't know. I guess since the seals were already scared off, just firmly tell the cunts they are the reason the seals left and that's why the signs are there. I've been wrestling with what I would do if I see a pack of jeets dumping trash /out/ to increase their izzat. Obviously violence is what should happen, but then I'd also have to disappear any phones that filmed the "hate crime". To complicate the matter, this scenario will most likely happen with my wife and kids present.
And if I got a job, there would be no way to disappear for a few months. Therefore I need to make things as cheap as possible and probably find some short term jobs around the continent.How can I do it? I wanna see all those mountains, nature, cities and castles.
>>2872043Couchsurfing and hitchhiking will save you lots of money, that leaves food and paid entrancesI don't know how to hobomaxx but this will be your life>find some short term jobsNot sure how realistic this is as a tourist
>>2872043Heard from several sources (non-Europeans) that you will need at least twice that in order to live on existentialist minimum. Visa will be a pain in the ass and cause logistical issues that will ramp up the costs.
>>2872133I don't need a visa
>>2872043Interrail in the summer and work oddjobs whereever you go (picking fruit, bartending at festivals, etc). Festival organisers often have platforms where you can sign up to work for cash for a couple days.
>>2872043D-Ticket and a lot of patienceessentially what I am doing but I*m a poor NEET I pay with time
Looking for /out/ book discussion and recs. I just started Sand County Almanac, and recently finished pic related. American books preferred, but everything welcome.
>>2872932lol, vance really scares the shit out of progs doesn't he.
>>2872932>Vance was photographed with three highschool girls inside a boys restroom!I like this one. Just leave out the fact he's the same age at the time. It's a perfect headline.
>>2872862If you're into fly fishing, anything by John Geireach is a knockout, that guy is so fucking cozy to read.Oh, and if you haven't read the Curtis Creek Manifesto, that should be considered required material to getting into the sport hahaha.Good luck on the thread, could be a nice one. I've got Braiding Sweetgrass on my "To Read" shelf, looking forward to it.I really enjoyed Deep Survival and Down the Great Unknown, both have some awesome accounts of survival against the odds. Down the Great is really interesting too if you're unfamiliar with the history around Glen Canyon, man JW Powell makes some awesome observations about that place, too bad it's fucked now.Desert Solitaire is up the same tree as Sand County Almanac, but a bit less "Wisdom from the greatest conservationist of all time" and a bit more "polemic from a guy who was a ranger for 2 years". Abbey is still solid and has fantastic prose, but there's a few points he makes that are often contradictory or a tad snooty. Eitherway, I liked almost all the books from the outdoor section of my library here, and recommend most. The 1970's GI survival guide is an easy skip.
>>2874220it's a masterpiece and about respecting and working with nature, but i'm not sure i would call it /out/. it's more about human nature in general
13:40 PM and I can already see the moon. :]
>>2872718did you know 40% of the population doesn't think the moon can be out during the day. when asked about the just respond >the moon is out during the nightwtf have they really never looked up and seen the moon out during the day.
>>2872718tighten that sky harness mate you look like you're dangling
>>2872718Always appreciate seeing a good post from the anons down under!
>>2872718>alreadyI think you have no idea how the moon works
Looks like it's 180 degrees out there
Do you guys have any recommendations for campers? Now that I have 3 kids tents are ass. I've been looking at pop up campers since I have a van, but I feel like the big booms reselling in my area are delusional.
>>2874237>there are millions of "kids" who want Boomer's old clapped out shit when boomers die 99% of their shit gets thrown out by their kids. You will be no different lmao
>>2874243then buy their shit for cheap. you wont.
>>2874243they will throw away their vw camper van, who wants that junk? and then you will pull your hair at how expensive they are.
>>2874237they can name any price they want but they can also be shit on for demanding outrageous money for their junk that they don't even want to actually sell but rather desire to wank themselves off over how cool they are for owning a thing. it's flaunting their shit and pumping their ego at the pretense of selling stuff.
>>2874270>the (((boomers))) are intentionally conspiring to torment me personally.it's a good thing those kids are biologically your wife's bull's.
Kill Japanese beetles. Behead Japanese beetles. Kung-fu chop a Japanese beetle into the concrete. Slam dunk a Japanese beetle into the water. Squish filthy Japanese beetles. Spread poison in your yard. Launch Japanese beetles into turbofans. Stir fry Japanese beetles in a wok. Toss Japanese beetles into active bonfires. Urinate on Japanese beetles. Throw Japanese beetles into a coffee grinder. Twist Japanese beetles' heads off. Report importers to the CBP. Pinch Japanese beetles in half. Slime out breeding Japanese beetles. Trap Japanese beetles on flypaper. Crush Japanese beetles in the vice. Liquefy Japanese beetles in a vat of acid. Eat Japanese beetles. Dissect Japanese beetles. Exterminate Japanese beetles through fumigation. Stomp Japanese beetle exoskeletons with boots. Cremate Japanese beetles in the oven. Incinerate Japanese beetles. Mandatory sterilization for Japanese beetles. Grind Japanese beetle grubs in the garbage disposal. Drown Japanese beetles in tree sap. Vaporize Japanese beetles with a Bug-A-Salt gun. Flick old Japanese beetles off of leaves. Feed Japanese beetles to lizards. Slice Japanese beetles with pruning shears.
>>2870821Gardener here. I agree. Spray cedar oil to kill them without poisoning yourself. Its not cheap though
explain that to me again
I've got these niggers on a cherry blossom. Not sure if their gook beatles or asiatic garden beatles.
The nature is harsh, dry, not welcoming, the people are very dumb and either friendly if they can't actually help you, annoying when they want to help you ged rid of all cash in your wallet or rude when they don't care for your existence.Frequent interaction with the wild animals is what made it worthwhile though.
>>2874038No one wants to be around Africans
South Africa is actually great - you get all of the mod cons thrown in and all of the Africa too. It's not generally as dangerous as some people make out, just so long as you maintain situational awareness and are polite (and give tips).
>>2874107>its safe as long as you pay people not to attack you
>>2874108He didn't say it was safe just that it's relatively less dangerous. Some folks just kill you regardless of payment.
>>2874067thats very hard these days anywhere in the western world
We can argue about which country has the best mountains but deep down in our hearts we all know it's Switzerland and people only say otherwise cause it's expensive as fuck
>>2873199>agreed upon as most beautiful place on Earthsuch a place doesnt exist.
>>2873199>but isnt Pacific Northwest agreed upon as most beautiful place on Earth?lmfao
>>2871540i think i live around 2000m
>>2870687it all looks the same honestly
>>2874227Yeah but it was over 17 km and over 1300 m of elevation gain
Shelter-cels get what they deserve
>>2873076Sure, I wish I had rich parents. Don't we all? I am not jealous of a disconnect of reality >>2873097;)>>2873187I usually spend a collective month out of every year outside. I backpack, whitewater, climb (outdoors only, not a loser), sometimes hunt, fish, and snowshoe. I have slept outdoors in negative temperatures and temps over 100. I have done a decent portion of the AT in sections, along with other trails here and there. Only thing I haven't gotten into is serious mountaineering, but I'm waiting for the tiktok trend to die down. Being a normie would be cheaper.>>2873224shroomhead mentioning shrooms? a shocker. be more original. there's enough druggies on the trail, might want to find a hostel to hole up at and work-for-stay until you can scrounge up enough pocket change to get an uber home
>>2873250>Noo! Dont take drugs outdoors! This is serious!
>>2873058Screams I don't have a trail name energy because nobody likes you. I've met hikers like you before, alone in your tent while everyone else is socializing around the camp fire.
>>2873058This is the only based post on /out/ right now.
>>2871428burn the shelter ofc
When it comes to accessing wilderness, do you get a permit in areas that require it? Are you a permit cuck?
>>2874039kek, you wouldn't be this performatively ass angry on the 4chins if you didn't know, at some level, how over the barrel your peasant life is.
>>2874051please explain? cant think of anything pheasant about having a constitutional right to travel? if i want to go to oslo and ask the king or goverment something there is no one who can stop me, it is my legal right to go there. thats what these laws where initially made for. car, train, plane, bus, boat, hiking.. you always have a right to travel and no private land ownership can cancel that.
When through Shenandoah no permit fuck em, hiked the smokies without a permit and camped where I wanted. What are they gonna do? Have a fatass town cop hike up a few mountains and arrest you? If rangers give you shit just ignore them
>>2873007True, its very cucked but fwiw it was one province and the Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional.It was insane when they did it and everyone on reddit was like “ well it’s for the greater good and we can’t risk forest fires…”.
>>2874160we can explain it for you, but we can't understand it for you.
Apologies, I didn't skim the catalog to see if there's already a thread in this vein, I'm exhausted. I spent two nights sleeping on this thing, a KLYMIT Static V2 Inflatable Sleeping Pad. I got less than 2 hours of sleep in that time.This is not completely unusual for me even at home, I suffer from insomnia despite after working on my feet all day. So I'm absolutely not saying this particular product, brand or model is at fault, but I'm wondering if y'all have found any ways to improve your sleep quality when using these lightweight outdoor sleeping cushions.I've used this thing several times, so this was not unexpected for me. Basically, the only viable sleeping position is on your back. It's too hot in the summer to use much else, for example, I have another lightweight closed-cell foam sleeping pad that I could couple it with. I'm not sure if that would really add much more comfort though, I feel like it's more for winter use to help insulate your body heat.What are your own thoughts and insights on sleeping comfortably with gear you can carry yourself? How do 'you' do it?
Hammock
>>2873887pillow ear plugs eye mask help a lot, also thats a fairly low tier sleeping pad, also placebo can help. if you are spending 250 bucks on a sleeping pad your mind will think its the most comfortable bed ever. You can also hike more and just pass out if you dont want to buy more shit my best sleep always comes after i do a long day that felt successful, basically your mind is pacing and you need to slow it down eat a giant dinner, whatever it takes dont feel like you need to stop hiking just cause its dark stop when your actually tired
I have a Big Agnes Divide in the wider size and I like it. I'm pretty heavy and I can even side sleep somewhat comfortably on it. I hate sleeping bags though, I really want to try and sheet and quilt setup for warmer weather and they also have the advantage of packing up tiny but for some reason they're all crazy expensive. My biggest problem is pillows, I sleep with two at home and really struggle with even a single big inflatable one when camping. If I were doing normal backpacking I'd probably have a jacket I could put under the pillow but I mostly motocamp which means my jacket is a stiff armored one that isn't suitable for that. I've thought about just getting a second pillow too but I'm already struggling for space as it is and ones that pack up really tiny are stupidly expensive.
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>>2873887closed cell isn't a winter thing, inflatable pads have much higher insulation value. consider trying a hammock. if you dont like this inflatable, you probably wont feel much of a difference from a different inflatable. try a closed cell if you want, I can't stand them because even the smallest ones pack down to the size of a small refrigerator.
How do I deal with these giant fucking rapists? I’m snorkeling and swimming off of the west side of the ‘Big Island’ in Hawaii soon. I am worried I will encounter one of these fuckers and it will try to bite me. Im bringing a tourniquet just in case. Please share advice if you are familiar with this area or species. Thank you.
sharks are chill bros. its dolphins that will rape you.
>>2868397Titanium or kevlar chainmail, or at the very least a few longwise titanium strips sewn into kevlar fabric should be good enough.
>>2872147>shark attacks are wayyyyyy under reportedLol.No.Every bite gets national coverage for days.>just don't look like their preyThats exactly what it is though.In this decade there have been 9 fatal attacks. All 9 were swimming on the surface or on a surfboard. Only 1 person was snorkeling (on the surface)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_shark_attacks_in_the_United_StatesThe last scuba diver to die was September 3rd, 2001. And he actually drowned when the regulator fell out of his mouth while "fighting off" a shark.Thats zero scuba diver deaths in the last quarter century.
>>2874096>The last scuba diver to die was September 3rd, 2001. And he actually drowned when the regulator fell out of his mouth while "fighting off" a shark.He died in a better world. Let's try not to be too jealous.
>>2872147>shark attacks are wayyyyyy under reportedsounds like somebody watched the bob gymlan video and didn’t stop to verify any of it>people get attacked by sharks all the time, with nearly 50 percent of those cases being fatalNo they don’t. Sharks have a remarkably low fatality rate for such large animals>the requirement for something to be registered as a shark attack is that people have to have seen the sharkThis isn’t true either. Plenty of attacks are recorded without anybody ever seeing the shark. There have been several in Australia like that just recently
How do I learn to enjoy the sea?A friend got injured and basically handed me two pedal kayaks (similar to pic, a bit larger).>Took it out and pedaled.>enjoyed just going around but found that unlike hiking I can't really bring all that much with me.>Not like I'm cooking over a fire sitting on a kayak.>Got bored of baking in the sun j>just paddled around for exercise.I've never fished before in my life, the whole pole-fishing thing seems like a moneyhole but idk. I think the kayak has a fishingpole stand.I definitely need to figure out some kind of shade for itNot sure what else is out there, would appreciate some thoughts from sea-faring anons
>>2868440>>2868444>>2868482Fishing is like a lot of hobbies where you can spend as little or much as you want. See if you can get some decent stuff secondhand. A lit of people buy nice gear, never use it, the sell it for pennies on the dollar when they clean out the garage.
>>2873211Sea kayaking is quite exhilarating if the water's wavy enough
>>2868444>You can get a perfectly serviceable rod and reel combo for under 100 dollarsYou can find perfectly serviceable food and reel combos in thrift stores for $5-10.
You don’t. The sea sucks
Get in the sea - use a wetsuit, mask/snorkel and fins and put your head under water and get familiar with this magical place. The wetsuit will give you both buoyancy and warmth, and increase your confidence with the environment. At the outset, you need to get familiar with your tides, because high and low tides ('slack-water') are when the currents are mildest. It depends on the total tidal reach of the region you are in, of course - some places might have a 10m inter-tidal variance, while others might be only a meter or two. Obviously, you need to know areas to stay away from due to hazardous currents, wildlife, surface vessel traffic, industry etc.
Ok, I give up. What's supposed to be so great about these bottles? I've been using a larger and a smaller one for a year now and I can't tell why I couldn't use any other empty plastic bottle instead.Please enlighten me.
>>2872774>but I've never felt confident enough that I could really get all of the bleach outJust rinse it out with vinegar.
I have two aluminium Nalgenes, each about 1l. I don't think they even make them any more, but as it's just metal you can boil water in them easily. When they're full they're heavy enough to club someone to death with, but I'd rather have something solid for hiking than plastic that'll get in my balls and in nature.
Yeah the solder probably has lead in it. IDGAF
The market has moved to stainless steel vacuum insulated tumblers. They are all around better than nalgenes. Nalgenes were good for their time because they were one of the only wide mouth bottles around and the plastic was exceptionally durable. That's it. I don't know what you expected, it's a water bottle all it can really do it hold water and not break.
>>2872645>>2872804years ago, traveling with family, they questioned my beat up smartwater bottles. gave these explanations and they said i was full of shitthen we passed a guy filling a bunch with his filter and i felt very vindicated
That's the sexiest tree I've ever seen
>>2873642That tree, TOTALLY wants it brah!
>>2873642Dryads. Not even once.
