Now that the dust is beginning to settle, which one is superior for the true outdoorsman?
Less pajeets in the NFs.
>>2771988Not for long Saar
Neither
>>2771972the free one with the least amount of jannies and rules to follow>>2772129
>>2771972>typical composition of a park service
>>2772129Shhhh
>>2771972The (((forestry service))) is the propaganda arm of the Timber Cartels and the (((Department of Agriculture))) is run by Bayer's little pet: Monsanto.The department of AG considers selective breeding GMO as harmless as Gene editing GMO and dishonestly lets them be considered equivalent when discussing GMO and morons are none the wiser.>>2772129BLM is legit just another name for the Logging Cartels--fuck them. They're allowing Gene edited Doug Firs to infest forests and they allow all sorts of shit that would be considered shit for the environment even by 1950s standards.The only thing NPS does right is when they don't do anything.
>>2772247Where'd you learn this from? Curious to know more, not super well informed personally.
>>2772253Decades of watching it all unravel. I started by just watching them lie and lie and rip apart forests for profit at the expense of society. I dunno, maybe start with the Beaver Institute (specifically work by Dr. Emily Fairfax).Andrew Millison has a lot of good information about watersheds, aquifers and how forests create weather systems.Look into work by Bill Mollison--"father of permaculture" as well.Look into old growth growth rates compared to (((managed forests)))--old growth (150+ year old trees) put on exponentially more biomass per year than managed forests.Look up north American rainforests--basically the entire west coast and look at the history of them.It's hard to say where to start but I can say the timber cartel has saturated society with lies and total bullshit.
>>2772253The Gene edited Doug Fir:I live near a test forest for Warhauser and talk to some of their employees. It's painful that I have to eplain mycological substrates to an experimental forests.They're trying hard as fuck to make trees a monoculture and the only way to do that would end up with desert...which is eventually going to happen with managed forests anyways but the monoculture will speed that up noticeably.
>>2772253I also did permitting for a non profit construction projects which is where I learned about (((Building Code))).If something isn't in the building code you can essentially quadruple the build cost and double the approval time. All the code for housing construction is basically from the 50s and 60s... total shit and all wood construction methods.
>>2772265Baste
>>2772247it was the jewish beavers.
>>2772499>Jewish beaversThey are rodents I guess.
>>2772247across all its holdings the blm manages like three trees of merchantable size and quality lmao
>>2772934And they kill everything else with prejudice--usually by aerial spray. BLM is controlled by vial demons who lie about everything.
>>2771972BLM
>>2772942I'm not saying they're good stewards, the old joke was "bureau of livestock and mining", it's just obviously nonsense to complain that they're in nefarious cahoots with the timber industry. Nobody's trying to log, like, juniper or black spruce.
>>2773010They don't log it--they kill it and replace it with (((economically viable))) species. They spray herbicides to kill any species that interferes with their harvest.
>Be me, highschool senior>Young and innocent >Really want a job where I can help forests and animals>Go to job fair>Know I need to talk to the tables with BLM, USFWS, NPS, and USFS. >Walk up to BLM table>Ask about restoration ecology jobs in BLM>They don't know what restoration ecology is, tells me to talk to USFS>Go to USFS>"Sorry anon, we don't do that either">Go to NPS>"We generally work for people, culture, and education">Go to USFWS>"Well... We manage the National Wildlife Refuge System and some of those require restoration."Why is only 1 national agency partially focused on actually protecting wildlife? Since college, I have been able to do much more work with local agencies than federal ones.
>>2773651because republicans control the government and want to make money, not help the environment
>>2773653It doesn't matter who's in power anon--logging money goes directly to the state and not into the general fund. Logging fuckery has been going on before WA was even a state and it's always been a wealth extraction from public resources (forests) to rich people and they use souless husks of men to chop it all down and pretend that it "helped build a nation" when in reality it made a few people very rich and created climate change in the entire northern continent that they pretend isn't tied to cutting down rainforests and old growth.
>>2773651You can easily look through all of these agencies websites to find endless restoration work they are all doing. Idk why you would think some agencies don't just because of a high school job fair. All of the actual positions, as in other than things like ucc crews that do grunt work, are college degree requiring scientist jobs, so of course they aren't gonna talk about it with high schoolers, they are there to grab kids to do rec tec or fire or trails or Visitor center stuff, all the basic shit that doesn't require any education or much brain power.
>>2773746>Cutting down lowland and intermountain rainforest>Cutting down old growth>Ree they do restoration thoughYou're fucking retarded. The people that work for the logging cartels are the biggest piece of shit liars on earth. You probably believe you have to deforest to build a house or even wiper your ass. DNR is the reason you can't do wetland restoration in (((managed forests.)))
>>2773653this is your brain on mainstream media
>>2773029>harvestof what, cheatgrass?
>>2773653>Republicans>controlling the government lol, lmao even. A Democrat is president, and another Democrat will be elected this November along with the house flipping blue
>>2773935Doesn't matter. Republicans control congress and thus spending because you need 60 democrats in the senate to pass anything republicans don't approve of and the system is stacked to guarantee that doesn't happen. you can't pass funding increases for federal agencies with republicans in power
>>2773943Curious that all the leadership in the states with the heaviest logging are blue states.This isn't a political problem: it's a social one.Federal agencies don't need more funding--they need less. The actual loggers are not part of the government at all and the government doesn't need to take income from timber land lease because they get it from the harvest profits.You don't know what you're talking about at all.>>2773918I get it, you're mad that I correctly identified you as a locust. This is just your broken mind coping--continue I guess.
>>2773935When it comes to deforestation and filling wetlands the Dems and R are absolutely on the same page: Extracting as much money from their rich timber and mining donors as possible while pretending they care about nature.Dude in the Washington thread didn't even know everything west of the cascades is rainforest and he lives in Port Angeles.
No one has posted it yet? sure is newfag ITT
>>2773852I never made any claim as to the quality of restoration work or corruption within these agencies, schizo, just that they do in fact hire people in that work
>>2773651>Since college, I have been able to do much more work with local agencies than federal onesstate ones are much better than feds in this regard because of habitat restoration mandates for hunting and resource management
>>2774045>scizo>t. unhinged kikelol, stay mad Not sorry I fucked up your recruiting thread. I don't expect your pilpul to be coherent--that wouldn't be fun for me at all.>>2774046>habitat restorationlol nope>Resource managementweird way to describe clearcutting and completely fucking the mycology and topsoil.
>>2771988This. They're fucking everywhere in the parks. They smell bad, they shit near the trail, they're loud and annoying.
>>2774030Goofy ahh
>>2774030not all national parks are like this, especially outside of summer. Not to mention some national forests are very popular (for mountainous ones). Beyond that once you get 3mi in on any trail the volume of traffic dips dramatically with either anyway. Tourists don't go on long hikes.
>>2771972National forests, absolutely. Scenery is less spectacular than the parks, but the true outdoorsman doesn't care about showing off on Instagram. He cares about being allowed to live immersed in nature. Picrel in Mark Twain National Forest.>>2772129New dispersed camping regulations have been posted all throughout BLM land near my town in Colorado. For years it was a free-for-all, but not anymore.
>>2771972I went to Hoh Rainforest recently thinking it would be a cool place to go exploring, but was instead met with a million signs that said to stay on the trail. Later I read that Olympic National Forest was more so what I was looking for but I was short on time and had to leave that side of Washington. FUCK
>>2774030What about national forests filters normalfags?
>>2777405Is that little Nissan yours?
>>2778556they dont give out national forest stampsalso the roads in NFs are often shit
>>2777405>immersified in nature>driving a car down a road to take a picture of it on a phone to post it on a message board
>>2771988>FpbpThis. National Parks at this point are just a bug screen for tourist hordes, I ditched NPs for national and state forests 5 years ago and have never looked back.
>>2778556Less picturesque so less media attention and therefore isn’t the first thing that pops up when every normie googles where to go for a hike. Also, I can’t speak for every forest, but the one near me has almost no infrastructure with poor trail maintenance.
>>2772148let me guess, this is oriented towards adults and features celebrity voice actors who sound dull as fuck
>>2771988They're constantly shitting in hot srpings
>>2771988>Less pajeetsThis is all that needed to be said
>>2777108yeah all these NPS haters are showing how dogshit they are at planning. I love Natl forests too but there and some incredible spots in national parks. I spent 4 days on a Zion thru and saw like 8 people until the last 2 hours (including a totally empty Angels landing). Druid Arch in Canyonlands, saw 4 people. I go boulder in RMNP all the time, hardly ever see anyone except other climbers. Plenty of bigger trails in Smonky MTns mostly empty, even in peak leaf season. Yeah, if you stick to shit within 4 miles of the closest parking lot to the main entrance it sucks. The solution is to not do that, not call national parks shit. But 80% of this board LARPS about going outside, while being to fat to do any of the stuff they talk about.
Depends on terrain
>>2773852Used to be a forest there?
>>2772129Unbelivably based desert hermit
parasitic bureaucrats who sit on their fat asses all day and make up rules to prevent American men from accessing the great outdoors. The trees were there before the government was, all these people need to be fired. Let them starve in the streets.
>>2771972this just remound me of Rangerball comics I started making literally 11 years ago when /out/ was brand new. I stopped making them because everyone fucking hated them and there was little support for the work :3thanks for the unexpected stroll down memory lane anon
>>2783666Go away Satan
>>2772148This show sucked ballz>>2771988Dude they are everywhere at this point. They are ten times worse than Chinese tourists. Also they dont even fucking hike they walk about 10 minutes up the trail and as soon as it gets hard they turn around. Never seen them on any difficult trails. I thought the chinese were bug people indians genuinely deserve the hate they get>>2772208Its not shhh every white dude with a jeep or camper knows about it. Go anywhere in Utah thats BLM u will see the whole fucking desert/shrubland areas between mountains covered in trailers
>>2783665>American menIts to prevent the unsavory types and tourists who would trash it. I would love to have a libertarian society but America is a multi cultural hell hole so no
For most places, the forest service cares significantly less about you showing up and sleeping on their land for a weekend.
>>2771972The NPS really get their panties in a bunch when hikers cut switchbacks or go off-trail. They really take it personally when you ditch their precious trails, even briefly: https://gearjunkie.com/endurance/sunseri-fkt-grand-teton-chargesI've never had issues with any other agency (federal, state, or otherwise) but have gotten chewed out by national park rangers on multiple occasions. And it's not like I spend a lot of time in national parks or monuments either. Less than 1% of my total outings are in those places.
>>2784738>when hikers cut switchbacks or go off-trailMaking cuts in a trail is not the same as bushwacking or really going off trail. In that case the trail exists but people are lazy and want to make the cut. Thats not the same as trully going off trail and bushwacking- which is allowed.But they do want you to follow the rules. in the case you posted, the switchback was sectioned off and signs telling people not to make the cut. This douchebag decided the rules didnt apply to him in his chase for personal glory. He then posted his arrogance and selfishness on his social media so the NPS decided to make an example of him.
National Forests for sureMore amenities than BLM but not infested with people like NPS
>>2784738You could go months in a national park and never see a ranger. If you get bitched out by a ranger ever for anything it's because you're on a popular tourist trail... hundreds of people a month probably cut that switchback.I hike in NPS land several times a week in summer and saw one park ranger in 6 months and that was at a branch trail head off a main arterial trail.
>>2782678There still are. There used to be way more wetlands. California and Nevada have less than 1/4 the forest density they had 150 years ago. Most of the west coast had forests with trees that averaged around 600 years old (7 to ten feet diameter).Mostly all gone and lied about by timber cartels pretending that's "renewable"
>>2778560that's the type of shit car that does 14 days every time it stops. seen a thousand of them.
>>2773935This seethe post aged like a fine whine.
>>2778559I'll be honest, they got me with this. I fucking love the stamps bros. If I brought a book to read (or buy one about the park) I'll stamp it too. I also stamp the postcards I buy as a little extra fun thing for my friends and family I and them to.
>>2787846>*send them to.
>>2783666I like it friend.
>>2771972Both departments can suck ass, but if it's a question of which public lands are better, then my vote is for National Forests.
>>2771972they are both good. if you have a really strong opinion here, you are either doing something specific or you are (more likely) pretending that you go outside and repeating shit that you heard on youtube
>>2787064you can generally tell when posters here complain about crowds without realizing that they're admitting that they went to a crowded parking lot and didn't get far from there. there's tons of them, they are completely delusional.
>>2773935bruh I'd delete this post out of embarrassment
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