winter is behind us and its time to get back /out/, sea, lakes, rivers, even canals, sailing is fun toofotm vacationer paddleboardfags go to >>>/trv/
>>2833094appreciate it anon <3 yeah we've done some tandem kayaks just across stagnant ponds or whatever just never open water. I'll keep in mind the thing about the current
>>2810312im looking to get into kayaking, i tried it last summer on a rental and i liked it a lot. Im looking for it to sit 2 and a small cargo spot. Any recommendations? I dont really have a budget for it, hopefully less than $500 but im willing to adjust if needed
>>283359915-17ft aluminum canoes are easy to find cheap($200-500 depending on condition) and way better for 2+ people than a kayak. you have way more room between the two passengers. tandem kayak options are limited at that price because they're more niche. I'm sure you can find one on facebook marketplace but don't buy someone's beat to shit or sun faded kayak because people want msrp for them. hell, don't pay msrp for ANY used kayak. lowball people
>>2833632im considering get 2 single sit-on kayaks instead: Evoke Trophy 126275-300 msrp, would $200 be low enough?
>>2833599Consider 2 kayaks instead of a tandem. I've done tandem kayaking before and it's not fun because one person can't really see or talk to the other easily, and of course the both of you have to go the same way at all times.With 2 kayaks you can float alongside each other. That's so much better for relaxing than being in-line. You can easily share food, drinks, anything with each other. It's easier to talk. One of you can float the channel while the other hugs the bank, or takes an alternate course, whatever. You end up being able to carry a little more gear with 2 boats too. Each person feels more freedom.The only reason why a tandem might be better is if you're exclusively paddling lakes with no current, then you'd get the benefit of two paddlers in one boat. But lakes are boring imo, I only do creeks and rivers.
Extremely fun, addictive hobby, I am thinking of becoming one of these degeneratesMy only pet peeve is that, how does the TPU Nylon handle fishing hooks? What are your personal experiences?
>>2834010I fish from my raft and I have yet to poke a hole. Doesnt mean its not possible but you should have a repair kit that can deal with any hole like that anyway. There is probably a scale of durability of different manufacturers and designs.>>2834014You cant hike a kayak up to backcountry alpine lakes
>>2834029>You cant hike a kayak up to backcountry alpine lakesNot with that attitude.
I bought a klymit packraft and took it out on the Snake River in the Tetons during high spring flows. It was stressful and not very fun, I had practically no control in the fast moving sections, paddling that thing is slow as molasses, just goes in circles. Taken it out on some alpine lakes also and it's fun I guess, still insanely slow, I should probably get into fishing to make it more worth it.I've got some rough plans to take it with me down into the Grand Canyon in October or November and paddle a few miles just to say I've rafted the Grand Canyon, if I don't die and the raft survives I'll let you guys know,
>>2834029well it's a packraft for it's packability. Like my grand canyon idea wouldn't be possible with a real kayak, not realistically anyway. Cool to be able to design some loops into the wilderness where a significant leg of the trip is on a river, and another leg is hiking or biking. It's also way more convenient on the kinds of long road trips I do not having to carry a whole ass kayak around when I might only use it once or twice a month.
>>2834042oops meant for >>2834014but this klymit is a piece of shit though, fuck it's slow. Super light so it would have its uses even when I eventually upgrade to a better packraft.
I've signed up to a 10 mile hike.Never been before.How fit do I need to be to not embarrass myself?
>>2833508Don’t need to be there, and I still don’t believe you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>2833443The peak district is varied and some of it is rough as fuck. 10 miles on meme ridges, Mam Tor, low land fields, yeah you can do that. You still need waterproof gear as backup, plenty of water and food, and that weighs if you're not used to it. 10 miles on Kinder Scout/Bleaklow when the weather comes in and you're already tired from the climb up - well now you really need that waterproof, and don't get lost/end up mapless in the peat groughs. But you can't use a map and compass so yeah. Up there you better stick with the leaders or you'll be a mountain rescue stat very soon.
>>2833078This is it.
>>2833063mention the jews, see where it leads
>>2833443Peaks are pretty rugged in places. Plus the terrain underfoot can be rough. It's more my brothers area (I'm more Lancashire moors/pendle-Bowland/Lakes area) but ive an idea of it. Do some mild endurance training, go and check the area out for yourself. Most importantly invest in a good compass, an OS map of the area, and a map case to carry it in. Learn to use them. You will probably never need them but if you do it's better to have them. Unironically it could save your life.Walk more in day to day life, and carry a pack with weight in it, it'll let you get used to it.
I will be following the footsteps of an older close friend of mine who went /out/ing in Africa in the 80s after he ran away from home at 17. We met on similar desolate paths elsewhere and I learned much from him when it comes to approach and attitude to make a journey that doesn't rely on money to get you to your destinations. But, I had never dared to go to a place like Africa before talking to him. But, I will need some modern preparations such as the ability to make e-Visas, what power plugs are used, where to avoid insurgent or militia ruled areas, etc.Is there any better source than https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Main_Page Any personal experiences and advice is also welcome.>inb4 go /out/ing in your backyard like we always doNo
>>2831470Dry season is better. Fuck the rainy season. You don't want to know what it's like when your sweat no longer evaporates and mushrooms start growing in the bottom of your backpack. Also public transport is more limited. If you can't take the heat, this region is not a good destination.>>2831451Yeah it helps to be a crummy backpacker. I wouldn't go out of my way to look dirty, but locals will find you fun and relatable if they see you in contrast to the French and German weirdos buzzing around in rental cars. You interact with police every day at roadblocks; none has ever tried to extort me -- but i do understand that can be a problem when you have your own vehicle. I've never paid a bribe either. Only time i was caught speeding (friend's car) i spoke to the cop in the local language and that made him really happy.>Hammock or tentTent in the dry season, hammock in the rainy. I do really love my hammock.
>>2823579You're gonna get raped, bro.Don't say I didn't warn you.Also, inb4 Ebola.
>>2833050bro do you want to read through the thread and learn something or do you just want to shitposthere's your (You)
>>2833178> Africa pool's closed, nigga.
what kind of food do you take on long trips like these? i''ve only ever done 2-3 day trips and if i pack food like i do for that but for say a full week i would end up with an enormous backpack. is it normal? or are you supposed to have on you 2-3 days worth of food only and resupply on the way
You're about to sleep in your tent and you start to hear thunder. What do?
>>2830522close my eyes and sleep since rain and thunder drown out the real fear of random snapping sounds that you have to wonder what caused it.
>>2830522Sleep. Sounds like it’s cozy time
>>2830522I take out my hiking poles and wave them in the air to make myself look bigger and scare the storm away.
>>2830607Lightning flashes are annoying
>>2830522Listen to the rain thrumming on my canvas bivvy cover, then roll to my side to watch the cool flashes out the side. Sleep.
What is the /out/ consensus on this debate?
>>2833639>And yet I should hike in heavy boots in your opinion?if you are 100% certain there's talus field incoming, yeah, duh. it saved my ankles countless times. but then, idaf about your life choices really.
>>2833436>this is all I’ve ever used so my opinion is validIt’s not.
Unbeknownst to most, there was an outbreak of polio years back, causing an entire generation of people to require braces around their ankles if they’re doing more than just walking on pavement.
>>2833228Not a scam in the sense that they offer more room for your toes to naturally spread, as well as having a flexible sole. The biggest difference you might feel is the switch to a 0 drop shoe. If you havent already done that itll take some time to adjust, and id recommend gradually switching over. Its insane how much a change from some heel height to zero drop makes.
>>2833228I know people who swear by them for everyday and mountain hiking use. Not a scam.
New Steve1989MREInfo video just droppedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f42J3s_AIuA
nice hiss
>>2832402Almost pleasant. I'll tell my mom and we'll watch it tonight.
>>2832532>watching Steve with parents COMFY
Lets talk about minimalist camping.Cowboy / Backpack / Minimalist / BushcraftTools, bedrolls, bags, tents, clothing.
>>2833041Bro, Skurka’s beans and rice is insanely popular. It’s funny because Andrew Skurka is a world-renowned hiker with insane hiking-firsts (Great Western Loop, Yukon Expedition, I think yo-joint the AT) and crazy accomplishments, but he’s probably better known for that recipe.
>>2833500Try a cot. You can get some very nice quality light weight, and tight folding cots now.https://www.amazon.com//dp/B0DJ2ZHTDR
anon I need help , whats the best chinese alice clone brand you can get as europoor
>>2833548Been tempted to. I just hate dealing with setups and take downs. Its why Ive actively been leaning towards closed cell foam pads. No hassle, nothing breaks.
>>2830439>Anyone know what that rucksack is?TheHiddenWoodsmen but it looks like that bag is discontinued or unavailable right now. Looks interesting, frame pack with a shelf, basically a cross between ALICE and an LL Bean Continental Rucksack.>And tangentially, what ruck do you anons use?I use a Continental or buttpack for day hiking and have several frame packs for anything more serious. Primarily that is an ALICE Hellcat and an Eberlestock Warhammer/Skycrane for hunting. Note, I'm not a serious hiker due to foot issues.
i hiked the AT last year (yes the whole thing) AMA
>>2833659>>2833723Not OP, but the answer to resupplying is the FarOut guide. I’ve used it for section hike, the longest being ~360 miles.It’s pretty tough to get lost on the AT. Most of it is well marked and pretty well travelled. It really is a green tunnel. So you don’t really need anything for navigation. It wouldn’t hurt to have it, just in case, but with regards to finding your way it’s not direly important.What the FarOut guide (it was still Guthooks when I first did a section, and was paper) is good for is dead reckoning. It helps you know where you are apropos water sources, established campsites, and resupply points. And it’s not just a map with a little dot that says “Small Town, VA” on a country road. The guide lists various grocery stores, post offices, and various accommodations (hostels, motels, etc.). So you don’t have to research every city along the way, figure out what’s there, where they’re located, and when they’re open. It’s already compiled into the guide.
>>2833985kek is this supposed to be a trail tread?*laughs in europoverty*
>>2833985>yeah bro I’ll just hike 3 miles to the middle of the woods to grafiti a random shelterBullshit.
>>2833992Confirmed for never having been to a shelter. Every one of them has shit carved into the walls.
>>28339910.5 miles from the most popular tourist spot in the most popular national park and the trail is already so rugged that it confuses Europeans. Grim.
Weird hole in the ground edition. pastebin:https://pastebin.com/Mvfh8b87New USDA zone map has been released: https://planthardiness.ars.usda.gov/Koppen Climate Map: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/K%C3%B6ppen_World_Map_High_Resolution.pngSearch terms:Agrarian, Agriculture, Agrology, Agronomy, Aquaculture, Aquaponics, Berkeley Method Hot Composting, Cold Frames, Companion Planting, Composting, Container Gardening, Core Gardening Method, Cultivation, Deep Water Culture (DWC), Dry Farming, Espalier, Farmer's Market, Forest Gardening, Forestry, Fungiculture, Geoponics, Greenhouses, Homesteading, Horticulture, Hot Boxes, Hügelkultur, Humanure, Hydroponic Dutch Bucket System, Hydroponics, Keyhole Garden, Korean Natural Farming, Kratky Method, Landscaping, Lasagna Gardening, Ley Farming, Market Garden, Mulching, No-till Method, Ollas Irrigation, Orchard, Permaculture, Polyculture, Polytunnels, Propagation, Rain Gutter Garden, Raised Beds, Ranch, Rooftop Gardening, Ruth Stout Garden, Sharecropping, City Slicker Composting, Shifting Cultivation, Soil-bag Gardening, Square Foot Gardening, Stale Seed Bed, Sugar Bush, Truck Farming, Vermiculture, Vertical Gardening, Window Frame Garden, Windrow Composting, Alpaca, Snail, Toad, Trumpeter, Turkey, Worm, biochar, vermicompostinglast thread: >>2826053
>>2833829Rain got em. Inconsistent watering and the skin can’t grow fast enough they should be fine if they scab over before the bugs get them, just remove that part.
>tomato cages are for determinate tomatoes>indeterminate should be stakedWhat do I use, then? Bamboo reeds taped together as needed?
If you grow a fruit tree like an apple in an air pot will it fruit early because the natural root pruning acts like dwarfing to diminish its growth?
>>2833792Bean flower opened
>>2833898indeterminates just grow longer and don't stop growing, so they will exceed the height of a cageyou just need something much taller like a pole or a clothsline so you can keep adjusting them, like you tie a rope right above them and just shorten it as needed to hold the plant up
do anons have any fabric/fiber recommendations for clothing that protects against the sun and is not plastic?i assume tighter weaves/knits are also better since there's less air between them, but i also don't want to die of heatstroke
>>2832908Frankly, I wonder: Melton wool outerwear is somewhat established among outdoor types. Will wool gabardine make a similar return at some point? From what I read, it's a great softshell kind of material. The first trench coats were made of wool gabardine.
>>2831359>wool is way more durable than people think. it's one of the strongest natural fibers. you wanna seek out the highest GSM (grams per square meter) weight that's appropriate for the application.i agree, one thing i will say is it seems like merino wool isn't actually super strong since it's usually very thin and companies often have to use a silicone finish on it to improve durability (good luck finding one without this lol there's like 2 that don't)>if you're concerned about sun protection, i think the best bang for your buck would be a 50 UPF sun hoodie and hathats are good but i think they help less than you think, they're better for keeping the sun out of your eyes, better than no hat i guess, umbrellas are probably betteri have also heard that sunscreen sticks are pretty bad since it's hard to apply the correct amount, i dont trust most sunscreen anyway and feel it's better to go overboard on it since a sunscreen tests are retarded and i just always assume they protect worse than they say they do
I HATE layering. I hate wearing tons of shit. For me, I only wear a long sleeve merino shirt and a jacket which I remove if I get to hot. And I carry a comfy wool blanket and make a bonfire if I get too cold. Simple as. Fuck layering.
What do you guys wear for shorts and pants on the trails?
>>2830789>love my duckworth long sleeve shirtI love their Vapor line- I have the hoody and wear it all the time in the summer. super thin and super comfortable....but its 50% poly....
I found a datura SW Colorado
>>2832378
Its gone now boys, watched a road crew weed whack it to oblivion
>>2832368This is the drug of choice if you ever want to know what it would feel like to live your entire life as a ceiling fan.
>>2833942I fucking love the way she bobs her head around like 'What? How did I get here? What's going on?'datura confirmed
>>2833942How is that even possible?
is mountaineering only for rich trustfund babies?
>>2833631Nowhere.Don't buy used gear, you can't know the history of it.
>>2833631>>2833896There is plenty of used gear you can buy. Just don't buy used ropes.
>>2833631>>2833899You don't buy used gear ever. That's a major no-no.
>>2833631>>2833896>list of 'don't do this thing that this list of retards did'I mean you could buy metal protection gear if it was nuts, hexes and they are not obviously worn flat. Soft anything - NO are you fucking retarded. Cams - NO but LOTS do. Krabs - people do, I wouldn't. They last 30+ fucking years if you don't use them as hammers, why cheap out you rats. Crampons - not for me, potential dead man's shoes. Ice axe - maybe if pristine richfag deitrus but then it won't be cheap anyway right.
>>2833959Lmao no. You do NOT buy used climbing gear.
Mine is my jungle bag. It’s been with me on almost all my adventures. Sleeping bag, blanket, poncho, it’s done it all.
Don't know about other Snugpak products, but their poncho is top notch from my experience. Just use my belt/paracord for the wind and good to go.
>>2833373wut?If you wear the same clothing for days on end, sweating into it constantly, it will form a crust of salt in some parts. “Crusty” isn’t hippy slang in this regard.
>>2825029based umbrella bro
>>2830232you got something less faggy and cheaper than pic?
>>2833782>less faggyI don't know, they have a combat shirt version too, with a solid front. Maybe that's good if you're using a combat vest or plate carrier, maybe you think that looks less faggy.I prefer to think of it as either utilitarian or sleazy. Wear something light over it if you're worried what the martens and owls might think of your dress. >cheaperAclima is a little cheaper, Janus is cheaper still.
I picked up this tent complete and like new for $10.00 What should I expect?
>>2831537Never owned one but I bummed one off a buddy for an entire summer once when they were still selling these. It's only an OK tent imo. It's got way too many guylines and setup is unintuitive. It can be difficult to get a good pitch out in the field as compared to a nice flat area in your backyard or a park. It also suffers majorly from condensation and has poor ventilation when the doors are closed. Pros: it's lightweight, relatively spacious when pitched correctly, and you got it for $10. For that price it's an excellent tent. Use it until you can save for a better one. Spend time fucking around with staking it up now so you don't have to figure it out innawoods when you're dehydrated, hungry and elevation sick.
>>2832240Cuddling my wife
>>2832240If you get penned in bad weather or get sick you'll appreciate the extra room. I've just come back from 4 days in one spot and the weather was shit so spent most of the time in my tent doing drugs and I was glad I got a three man tent.
>>2833130So you're a meth head and homeless?
>>2832240Living in the South where humidity is a serious problem. A larger interior allows for more airflow, replacing air filled with my own breath to be replaced with slightly less humid air, resulting in less condensation and only being slightly damp in the morning.
