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>>2784511winged bean update: bean is growing, more flowers are budding, am very happy
oh someone made 399 already to bad that retard didn't put hgm in the subject so i could see that oh well 2 number 399s
>>2784513its reached bump limit, so its whatever>i'll have 2 numba 9's, a numba 9 lar-
My dandelion is now 3 years and strong as ever this spring. It will surely outlast us all.
I finished my greenhouse last week, forgor to post pics. Now I just need to seal all the gaps and stain it
>>2784535
>>2784536What are you going to fill it up with? Veggies, herbs, flowers? Or maybe for starting transplants?
I've been exploring how to make my place a more pollinator friendly ecosystem. This can be partially accomplished by planting native plants. Since it's fall, here is a reminder to not rake the leaves on your lawn. Where i live I've never raked the leaves. Anyways, this is how many microorganisms are living under the leaves of oak trees. They are important for healthy fertile soil.
>>2784512i like your beans stylish chinchilla coat wearing anon
>>2784604I tried that one year and it killed a patch of grass where it was really think. Now I make sure to mow the leaves to break them up
>>2784603Not much this fall, my citrus trees are going to live there. Come spring, I'll start all my seeds in there and bring in my potted figs to "wake" them a bit earlier>>2784604I have to rake otherwise the grass dies like >>2784673 said. Last year I neglected to rake and a huge patch got killed off so I turned it into a shade garden. Now I just collect the leaves and dump them in my raised beds/elsewhere
>>2784749That's a good use for them. They're also great for composting.
Well, had a 31 degree night. Pretty sure it killed all of my zucchini, half the cherry tomatoes dropped off too. God damn it, ONE NIGHT that barely hit freezing and my garden is fucked even though temps are back up to the 40s-50s at night.
>>2784511indoor and outdoor grass questions:I've tried to maintain a small (roughly 14"x19") indoor lawn for my cat in a 5.5" deep bin with good drainage but I can't seem to keep it alive long term. Any pointers? Is there a good way to measure and monitor what I'm doing wrong? Is it bad for the health of a lawn to cut it too late into the season? I've let mine grow to a fairly substantial meadow and I need to cut it down before the spring, but I've had a lot going on and haven't gotten around to it yet. Any pointers for maintaining meadows in general?USDA Plant Hardiness Zone 6bKöppen climate type Dfa/Dfb
I got a day off so I did some more garden bed prep for next year. I liberated 240 gallons of leaves from the town dump. I shredded them down to a fourth of that size. Now i wait for leaf mold The hardware cloth fence is 3 ft tall and approximately 3 ft in diameter. I made two of them, but will have a hard time filling them apparently.
>>2784939Did you cover them at night?
>Put corn bran for guinea fowls>African honey bees find it sweet and start rolling on it like pigs>Guinea fowls too afraid to eatEither I find where the swarm made it's nest which could be inside of a tree trunk or on a hole in the ground and put them in a box or I find something else they like better than the corn.
Is it possible to raise semi aquatic plants on dry land by frequently watering the plants in question? Semi aquatic meaning a waters edge species that may sometimes be underwater but isn't underwater all of the time
>>2784535Planted trees 4 years ago, they became my green house, plastic bottles are my temporary vases before I plant the trees.That looks pretty /comfy/ tho, I have two tool sheds, one for tools and food the other for herbicides and related equipment.
Soon I am going to get another hectare fenced with smooth wire and make another grove.
>>2785281It wasn't supposed to drop below freezing at all. Don't usually get first frost in my region for another month.
>>2785294maybe make a basic trap while you have them around?
>>2785424I don't want to kill honey bees.They are very good for the fruit trees.
>>2785419I feel you. I had a really late frost that killed most of my plants this year. Checking the weather every day can help, but sometimes you'll still get surprises.
What can I do with green tomatoes before frost comes in a few days?I could just compost them but that seems like a waste
>>2785440theres tons of recipes for themthats aside just keeping them in a bag with some ripe ones if you wanna get them a ripe as possible, you can either cut them off with the whole vine fore the frost, or cut the entire branch off & keep it in the water like flowers
What's wrong with my blackberry plant? Is it deficient in something? Got this blackberry plant on clearance from Lowe's. It was in great shape, very strong with two big canes growing. I transfer it to a bigger container and over the weekend it turns yellow around the leaves. I'll also add that a squirrel dug a hole into the soil near the roots.My zone is 9B
>>2785506Most likely transplant shock but I know my brambles also turn yellow when they're overwatered>LowesI just got a half priced persian lime tree from them yesterday, kinda tempted to go back and get another meyer lemon
>>2785510Go for it, anon. And thanks for the help. I'll lay off on watering them for a bit. I was under the impression that they needed a lot of watering when first transferred. Will the leaves turn green again or will they fall off or something?
>>2785526They'll probably drop but it's fine, you will get either new growth at the end of the canes or new canes coming up from the ground. But it's nearing its dormancy period so I wouldn't expect much growth now
My camera refused to focus on the center of the tomato so this is the best I got, but the single slicer I got ripe this year was a mystery strain. I had two plants that were "Who knows!" discounts for 25 cents, they both had carolina gold tags, but neither one looks like the tomato on the picture so I have no clue what this tomato strain is.REGARDLESS OF THAT BLOG.It had really cool red streaks running through it that looked like it was bleeding it was cool. Also it was absurdly sweet, uncomfortably sweet. I probably would not have eaten many of them if I had actually gotten more anyways because of said sweetness.
>>2785552Looks almost identical to my Big Rainbows
>>2785552Looks like a cymatics pattern.
>>2785402What type of tree?
>>2784511Has anyone grown penstemon from seed before? My plant's shape has evolved to the point I wonder if I accidentally grew some other seed that fell into the pot. Pic related from left to right is what the plant originally looked like, the stalk as it grew, what it now looks like. Sorry for the leaves drooping, it was in a frost.2 seeds took quite late into the season, so you can see the difference. I read that the leaves of this plant can change, but this is quite a difference. Is the large stalk/branch a different plant? I watched the thing grow, it looked like the first photo. I'm stumped.
>>2785637I'm probably wrong but it kind of looks like a pear. I haven't grown them from seed yet, but I did propagate one from its flower stem
>>2785637>>2785666Nvm I lied it's a cottonwood 99%
>>2785440Like anon said. Fry them while they're green, or cut off the vine and let them ripen on your counter.
Fatherless unguided neglected carrotsTry and figure out how many there are
>>2785696Enough to make a stew
Fug. I don't live near any Populus trees but the puffy seeds are all over the place here I must have picked one up. I'll get rid of the tree, I just want the flowers. Thanks anon.
>>2785716Meant for >>2785681
>>2785427They're African though.
>>2785378Yep. A prime example is rice. You don't even need to keep the field that wet. The only reason we still grow rice in paddies is because it keeps down weed competition and fish can be raised in the same area.
Finally got my hands on a bunch of woodchips, about 16 cubic yards. Now it's time to blast it with piss
>>2785736i think hes in africa, lol
>>2785875Based piss composter
>>2785875Hose it down good (with piss and water). You don't want to start a fire
>>2785962Will do
Hello what do you guys think of growing food in recycled HDPE barrels? These contained hand sanitizer according to the last guy. Assuming I scrubbed them out really well. Still undecided. Might just do flowers or something
>>2785993They might not be food grade HDPE. Best practice would be to use them for flowers or something you eat sparingly like herbs. If you're not worried about it then scrubbing them out to remove any residue should be fine.
Woah mama
>>2785993Well, it's not like you won't get more death chemicals in your store food and water but I wouldn't trust this not to be degraded or sun safe.
Forecast for -5 C this night and it already dipped below zero at about 21:00 and will stay there until at least 7:00.Harvested all leftover tomatoes and peppers that are not hidden inside the plant, they will take a lot of damage so I wanted to harvest them all but there is no way I could process this many today.It was pretty long season anyhow, we usually get hard frost in October, it was unusually warm this year but my luck has run out it seems.
It's absolutely joever lads, november has arrived.I planted my stuff too late this year and because of that I wanted to keep my plants outside as long as possible, but it's November now, so I have to admit defeat and cut my losses.Picrel, there's a lot of stuff to harvest, but some chilis and most of the tomatoes aren't ripe, but the plants are not doing well with the cold. The question then is, do I harvest the unripe stuff anyways or do I keep it on the plant and hope for the best? For reference, temps are hovering between 7-15 C for the next 2 weeks, during nights reaching 2-5 C. I have chilis, some tomatoes and a jerusalem artichoke planted, the tomatoes are probably a lost cause, but the green unripe chilis I'm torn on.
can anyone rec some quality copper garden hand tools?
>>2786343Harvest the unripe stuff and let it ripen on your counter. Leave a good bit of vine on the tomatoes. You can also cut the rest of the tomatoes apart and clone them for next year.
>>2786401Why copper? Also no.
>>2786446Thanks for the advice anon, I'll try that.
>>2786485No problem. If you clone your tomatoes then post your results. I'll post my progress when the roots get a little longer before I stick them in a pot.
It's over, I got night frost forecasted for whole week with day temperatures below 10 C, peppers won't survive this so it's the time to harvest them all.Got 5.5 kg in this final harvest, few with any signs of ripeness.
>>2786554can you put them in a bag with a banana or whateveralso that's still a nice effing haul
Can I just use any kind of charcoal as biochar? Assuming it has no additives
Stupid question so bear with me please.I live in zone 9a and have an elevated (not raised) herb garden. I didn't expect it to do as well as it is, and now I'm wondering what to do with them in winter.I have Thyme, green onions that I really don't care about, Rosemary, Basil, and Oregano. Should I harvest all of it and start new next spring, try to over-winter it, or bring it inside? Or something else? I'm thinking the basil won't survive the winter, but it's gotten so large and woody (I used flower buds in tea) I'm debating letting it die.The basil I harvested a ton of in late summer and made 7.5lbs of pesto; there's still a good chunk of basil left but I had to re-pot it in it's own clay pot because it was getting too big and casting shade on some of the other herbs.
>>2786640You don't need a banana or a paper bag, they'll ripen somewhat if you just keep them somewhere at room temperature.>also that's still a nice effing haulYeah, first time I harvested peppers in November, they never lasted this long before
>>2786689The basil won't survive, but the rest will do fine. Dig it up and bring it inside if you want to keep it. When they start to go dormant you can cut them back most of the way for one final harvest this year. For each plant you can check what zones they're hardy in and what temperatures they start to go dormant.
>>2786689just keep some flower stems for seeds, here my basil only dies in january when nights get close to 0C, the others will be fine
>>2786648No, it has to be lump charcoal. Briquettes have had their structure mechanically destroyed so it no longer has the same properties. If you have enough wood and a metal drum then you can make your own.
Anyone have any recommdations for a coffee table style books with photos of cool gardens? Looking for a Christmas gift for a friend
>>2786787Thanks anon
>>2786823The baker creek seed catalog. The one you have to pay for is great
>>2786827No problem
I have a problem with my corn. Silks aren't forming. The problem can be because of overcrowding, which I did this year as an experiment because of poor pollination, or nitrogen deficiency. The nitrogen deficiency is something I've been struggling with. When I add organic material, my centipede population skyrockets and the eat the stems on seedlings and transplants (pic related), but obviously I need the nutrients in the soil. Any thoughts?
>>2784604Saw a post on Twitter that raking was Protestant neurotic make work and I thought it was an incredible observation >>2786011I mentioned it last thread, but my city does this for me for free. It looks like fun, but I live on less than a tenth of an acre and it keeps the already out of control rat problem to a minimum
>>2784535that's pretty fookin spiffy, cunt.
lookit all this new growth on my wollemi just in the last couple weeks :O>>2784517
>>2784511If you had a just a shovel and a trowel but your money could only let you buy 1 more gardening tool what would it be? I can just make a watering can out of a plastic bucket, and a garden fork seems unnecessary (in my opinion.) I'm torn between buying a hoe vs. a machete. Any other tropical gardeners in here?
>>2786998do you have anything that does the job of a mattock?hatchets are also underrated for garden use too
>>2787000>MattocksOh yeah I'm such a fucking derpHow do I choose a mattock? What kind of mattock would be more useful? Picrel?
>>2787000>>2787012Or one with a shorter handle like picrel?
>>2787012>>2787013depends on exactly what you're looking for, i was thinking of one of these, but anything'll doimho, i tend to stay away from things with tines, since the metal on most things sucks, and and likes bend & stay bent if you have a large garden, and do a lot of hoeing, a real legit hoe, not just some glorified sheet metal on a broomstick, would be the best choice if you're doing small scale stuff though, one of these style mattocks seems best in my experiencethe thin sorta axe part cuts rooty top soil pretty alright, and the flat hoe part trenches the rest of the dirt nicely, and since its not just stamped stainless steel, it still usable after 1 min of work
>about to buy a brand new coffee grinder just to use it to pulverize egg shells for the compost pile
>>2787029>pulverize egg shells for the compost pile
>>2787032>assuming I'm not going to use vinegar to make a calcium acetate solution
>>2787032Eggshells as re great for composting unless you have other uses like slug repellent or >>2787035
>>2787076>as reare* not really sure what happened there.
I'm the anon who fucked up and planted shit too late this year, I decided to finally harvest my balcony, even of it's not all perfectly ripe.Aji Charapita (one plant didn't fruit at all, this was from the second one), Sugar rush stripey (each bowl was 1 plant), Capsicum anuum (2 Plants), Scorpion chili (2 Plants), Cherry tomatoes (1 Plant) and some unripe tomatoes that didn't make it.Not a bad harvest considering it's a small balcony, I didn't plant early enough and it was a rather strange year in terms of temps. Still have jerusalem artichokes/sun chokes to harvest.
>>2787076This may shock you but you don't need to pulverize eggs to compost them
>>2787100If I want them to decompose some time this century, I do. Also I'm planning on building a coop and getting chimkens next spring, they're good as a calcium supplement for birds too
>>2787101Aside from decomposing faster, ground up eggshells make for nice grit for worms speeding up composting further if you don't have sandy soil.
What is this and how can I fix it?
>>2787111That's where the plant broke and healed. Probably multiple times from the look of it. That callus is basically a plant scar. If it's doing fine above that point then leave it. If it's struggling then clip it and your plant won't spend as much energy trying to keep it alive.
>>2787121Thank you. The plant is healthier otherwise. Here are some beans for you.
>>2787150Good looking beans. They look ready to harvest.
just harvested like 2-3lbs of sunroot (i think), lost a handful to rot, but everything else was greatthis was my first time growing it, started in spring with about 1/2lb, grew them in a bucket with some store potting soiltheres still a bunch in the bucket i'm sure, along with a ton of beetle grubs funnily enough, found 19 grubs & gave them to the birds, no idea if they ate them yeti'll scower the rest of the soil anything big, then just leave it in the bucket for next year to see if anything growsi'm gonna put the harvested roots in the freezer, and probably make something for Puhskinti Day with them what foods do you guys usually make with sunroot yourselves?
>>2787167usually in a soup, or pan fried(?) you can cook them like potatoes basically, except you can eat it raw too
>>2787168yeah, i was thinking a soup, since the largest soup festival in france had a sunroot soup wini think i'll go with soup because its also very easy to make, and i don't have very muchi'll probably also saute / fry them a bit before putting them in the soup, to enrich the flavor
>>2787167I read once that cooking them with an acid can break down the carb chains that some people can't digest so well, which is why some traditional recipes call for that. I have no idea if that's true, but I pan fried them last year with lemon juice until it almost became a sort of glaze and that tasted really good.
>>2784511I can't be the only one who wants to eat the asparagus looking agave shoots
baker creek website continues to get worse every yearfire their webdev
>>2787111kinda looks like gall
>>2787099damn nice chillis
>>2787392Thanks anon, I'm quite happy with them too considering the circumstances.
>>2784511Weirdest November I remember, nothing yet near to a hard frost, nor anything like it to come till at least Thanksgiving. Dwarf double french marigolds looking better even than they did in early July, a certain huge mandevilla looking absurdly tropical, verbena taking on renewed power even as vinca and roses weaken--except for a certain orange coral colored miniature that's absurdly underrated and hard to find these days. Petunias mostly OK. 2nd generation violas & petunias, in a big planter, look like nothing I've ever seen in any season, and given the rate this year is going, they'll make a nice match to Christmas nice as crocuses do in March, snow or not.
This is an incredible lecture. It's titled "why insects avoid healthy plants." Fair warning, it is 2 hrs long. It's worth it to stick around for the Q&A afterwards. While the whole thing is applicable to gardening, the best part for me was his segment on the basedbean aphid.https://youtu.be/w7BMVlCjQQE?si=HKWKdiftCkJLYGVZ
>>2787534I'll probably check it out. Having a healthy mycorrhizal network in your soil also helps to prevent pests. The plant being attacked feeds chemicals into the network that let nearby plants know about the attack. Those plants then produce defense chemicals and some will get sent back to the plant being attacked. Intercropping can also help prevent pests because when a pest lands on a plant it will usually check a couple nearby plants to make sure that it has the right kind of food available for it's progeny. If it doesn't land on enough of the same plant then it looks for a different spot to lay eggs.
>>2787535I'm learning a lot. Even your comment helps connect some dots. I've heard that mychorzzal fungi are important, but not exactly why. I was planning on doing companion planting. I have a book on it. I just flipped through it to get the combinations, but it looks like do need to read it to pick up useful info like you gave me.Anyways, the tools needed here are a refractometer and a plant sap press. It's fairly inexpensive to obtain if you get the analog version. There are some nuances to using it, but otherwise it looks simple enough. At the end of the video he does briefly talk about slugs and snails with the caveat of noting that he isn't an expert on them since they have less than 6 legs.
What kinds of seeds can I get for free from fresh vegetables straight from the grocery? Assuming they aren't irradiated or whatever, of course. I've grown tomatoes and garlic that way before as a grade school science project, but what about other vegetables?>don't bother hybrids do not come true to seedI'm aware of this
>>2787400are you gonna dry them?
>>2787603First I'm saving some seeds for next year and to give away.The aji Charapita I'll dry and turn into a powder almost certainly, maybe a third of the sugar rush stripeys too.Some I'll just use/give away and the majority of the scorpions and capsicum anuums I'll make a mash out of, ferment and make hot sauce from together with my kombucha vinegar. I made a few hot sauces last year and the kombucha vinegar one was my favorite back then.If you have other ideas as well, I'm always open to them.
>>2787577Peppers come to mind, both sweet and spicy ones.You can also try ginger and turmeric if they sell them somewhat fresh where you live, just be aware that not all of those sprout. Potatoes too.You can buy fungi (button mushrooms are what I did as a kid) decapitate them and let them dry so their seeds fall out and then grow your own fungi that way. Avocado also technically works, but it takes ages and they don't necessarily grow true to seed, so that's probably not worth it. For pineapples if they sell them with the green leaves where you live, you can keep the uppermost portion with the green bits and plant those while still eating the majority of the pineapple you bought. Honestly, just go to your grocery store and have a look at the fresh produce section.
>>2787577Squashes come to mind, I always keep a ton of seedsAll roots/tubers might work too
>>2787577Is this just for fun? Because seeds are the cheapest part of gardening and you'd get need results from getting plants grow for your climate rather than whatever megafarm you're gonna get the grocery vegetables from. Also you can stick biannual plants like carrots, beats, etc into dirt and they'll flower and seed over the season
>>2787577Onions if you plant them and let them go to seed, onion flower is quite pretty, even from store bought onion.
>>2787541The main function of mycorrhizal fungi is to transfer water and nutrients between your plants. Don't till your soil because that will destroy the network and kill the mycorrhizae. It's good to hear that you're learning so much. Keep at it, anon.
>>2787577>>2787612You can just plant parts of roots and they'll grow a new plant. You can eat your carrots and plant the top 2" or break up ginger and plant each section. If your potatoes sprout then you can plant those too.
>>2787534why do people simp for this bitch
>>2784511anybody grow figs?
>>2787722I started this year, they require significant insulation to survive winter here, I'll be wrapping it with several layers of insulating materials I salvaged from packages.
>>2787606>>2787608>>2787612>>2787614>>2787640Thanks for the awesome replies guysI asked this because of a discussion I had with a friend, whether someone who was given a parcel of land and maybe a machete could make a homestead with absolutely 0 money spent. One would assume he can rummage through half rotten grocery produce for free seeds, though he will be somewhat limited in the kinds of food crops he can raise, like>cucurbits>tomatoes, peppers (I am not sure about eggplant though)>ginger>garlic>bunching onions>beans (not sure about peas, though I can only grow cowpeas and pigeonpeas here anyway)But wow I never thought I could grow pineapples that way. I live in a tropical climate and do not know about this lol.
what can I do with the chilli? last year I went for a jam, it's great, but I still have enough for another year.
>>2787751Hot Sauce, dry and keep whole or dry and then make into powder.
>>2787751What do you do with the buckeyes/horse chestnuts?
>>2787762boring, I went with jam again. blended it with 300g of ginger, added sugar, juice from 2 oranges and 3 lemons, wine vinegar and some onions sauce. yummy>>2787763nothing, I just like to look at them.
>>2787750You'd definitely need a way to support yourself until you got a crop in, but other than that I agree with you. Usually you can find some good forage so maybe that's the missing ingredient for your plan.
>>2787751Is it thin skinned chilli type like cayenne?You can dry them indoors with minimal losses by hanging them in an airy place, those on the photo are from previous year harvest and still holding well, I planted way too many back then.However if skin is thicker you'll lose significantly more chillis to mold so better do something else with them.
>>2787774What's going on in the background and foreground of that picture? The thing in the foreground looks like the top of a ceramic bottle with a ceramic stopper and the thing in the background looks like some defunct piece of plumbing.Also, good suggestion.
>>2787288You can if you cook them right. Seriously, look it up.
look at 'er go!>>2786993I know nobody cares but I like this thread and I enjoy seeing my progress photos amongst all the more interesting posts
not quite this thread but anyone try searching for seeds of native plants and seeing that the only seeds for sale are from foreign sellers?
>>2788022yep, always. with natives you have to either propagate them yourself (shh I won't tell ;3) or you have to buy seedlings from a a nursery or something. It's kind of a dickpain †bh. I don't want cabbage or marigolds, I want to grow a bottlebrush or banksia but nooOOoo
>>2788014I like her anon, she's cute. Your contribution may be unusual, but at least from me it's just as welcome.>>2788022This probably depends a lot on where you live, but where I live in a village in Germany the local Forester/ranger/whatever you'd call it has seeds from local plants and gives them away if you ask, though mostly ones that are deemed important for the ecosystem. My favorite is an apple variety that according to him pretty much only exists within a 20-50 km radius of that village. We have a field of those apple trees that are free for anyone to pick and they taste amazing, a little tart, really juicy and very tasty. They aren't very photogenic fruit (or trees for that matter) but if I ever buy a big enough garden I'd want to raise one of those apple trees as a reminder of home. I've also collected some seeds over the years through good old foraging. Find a plant you like in your local ecosystem, look up how to best propagate it and then either collect fruit/seed pots/take cuttings/etc.
>>2787769You don't add any pectin to your jam?
>>2788044I did some jars without and then added the pectin. I can't decide which way I like more, so I'm doing always both for any jam.
>>2788179Interesting, I've always used pectin sugar without questioning it, what's the consistency like for the ones without? I might give it a try and see what I prefer actually.
we are so back fellas
My spider plants have been savaged by grasshoppers already this spring. Finally the cavalry has arrived. Kooki here spends a lot of time on this fence just waiting, saw him eat two grasshoppers yesterday morning.
Can't choose between a mattock and a grubbing hoe AAAAA why am I born poorA mattock would be extremely useful for getting rid of roots, rocks and perennial weeds. A grubbing hoe can break compacted soil just as well as a mattock but would be mediocre though for the purposes a mattock servesHowever I can only buy ONE...
>>2788562My vote is for the mattock. Fuck them hoes.
>>2788453What a cutie.
A decent amount of snow forecast for tonight. I plan on burying my raised garlic planter to protect it from freeze-thaw cycling until spring. I also need to bury my ornamental grass to see if I can get it through the winter. When I started the seeds back in the spring I didn't pay attention that it is totally wrong for the zone I'm in.
>>2788737Good luck, anon. If you have some tarps then they might be enough and you won't have to bury them. Maybe cover them with straw or burlap too if you think a tarp won't be enough.
Recently got an oregano compactum from a nursery on sale. Got it home and found caterpillar/worm frass all over the place. Any good way to find this fucker? The leaves are very dense and close to the soil, so it's unlikely I'll find him just by picking away. Considering just taking the whole thing out and hosing it off, then repotting.
Bought couple of blueverries (Goldtraube, Reka, and a dwarf variety whose name I've forgotten) this summer and they havent started shedding their leaves yet. Will they even survive a frost?
>>2788888They should. The shortest varieties can survive down to zone 2. Check your zone to be sure, but I don't think you need to worry.
Anyone growing persimmons here?I want to plant one in somewhat sheltered spot but I'm in zone 6b which is pretty much the limit of Asian persimmon, any advice on cultivar or growing them in general?
>>2788737More snow last night than I expected so I was able to cover the garlic with a lot of snow. Our winters usually stay cold enough that snow shouldn't melt until mid to late March.
>>2787288Some studies indicate that up to 60-70% of all native flora in Arizona and California (more than 3,000 species in AZ and more than 5,000 in CA) are either medicinal or directly naturally edible or easily prepared. The drought hardiest crops and permaculture plants with high productivity known to man are also from Arizona and Sonora, Mexico (both only matched by the driest regions of Africa and Australia).
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are Johnny's selected seeds good quality?i got the catalogue and I'm looking into buying some seed for next year
>>2789108(me)also what's a good website to get maypop seeds/cuttings/young plants
>>2788888Blueberries are really cold hardy, they'll be fine. I have 13 bushes, a third have totally dropped their leaves with the rest having changed color>>2789109I bought 3 young plants this year from Joyful Butterfly
>>2787858Can't find anything if not about agave syrup
I’ve been covering my peppers and tomatoes on nights that dip below 35 but we’re about to get a real and sustained cold snap. If I can baby them another ten days to two weeks I’ll be happy and still have garden tomatoes for my annual New Year’s Eve BLT. 5a here. Any other winter gardeners around?
>>2789126I've found that even if the plants live this long, the lack of heat makes the tomatoes taste not so great. 6b fwiw
>>2789126I've got a small herb garden that I keep in the closet at night. My house is heated by wood and it doesn't last all night. Also zone 5a. Next year I might try some season extension strategies, but how do you deal with the snow? It can come down a foot at a time where I'm at.
>>2789134You aren’t wrong they’re a lot harder but I’ve found they sweeten up as it gets colder. >>2789136I also overwinter my herbs but I use leaf and lawn litter to just cover them and insulate against the frost but I had several never even die off last year.We can also get a foot at a time. I inherited a ton of tableclothes and use those and a roll of painters plastic as an improvised low tunnel. I also have an unheated high tunnel greenhouse I made out of pallets. I want to be able to move more north and still grow veggies should circumstances require.January carrots from last winter. Buckets are also golden because you can just wrap them in layers and keep plants going a lot longer than “the experts” say.
First snow The only thing left to harvest are sunchokes, I'll dig them out when I run out of sweet potatoes
>>2789155Maybe I'll start a bucket or two of carrots and see how it goes
I need garden hose recommendations.
>>2789757I recommend the cheapest per length, highest grade hose you can find and get some hose repair kits for both ends and the middle while you're at it.
Just planted these mystery seeds that came of the bottom of my delivery package and they are finally germinating. I have no idea what they are. Maybe oregano??
>>2790102uh oh. have you ever seen Creepshow anon?
>>2789458I had success pickling these last season, this season I'm going to pickle the lot with tumeric in a single barrel and then add them to a mixed pickle later in the season. The texture is good, and it bulks out an otherwise expensive pickle to the point it's commercially viable.As they can carry botulism, I would never attempt to pressure can them. Acid pickle then bottle.
Just got done preserving seeds for next season, feels good.Those aliexpress "diamond/bead" boxes are a pretty decent cheap way to store seeds, though for a larger garden I'd want bigger compartments I suppose.
>>2789458I have no idea what I'm going to do with the sunchokes I harvested last month. I need to plant for next year, but I need to make sure the bed is well and out of the way. The damn things take over.
>>2787577I know this question is old but I've been doing this specific thing for quite a while as an experiment. I've had success with a lot of the stuff people have already mentioned. So far I've managed to get a pepertual crop of four cherry tomato varieties from a rotten medley pack, a pumpkin patch of Japanese pumpkins from scooped out seeds, potatoes from a sproting potato, ginger and tumeric from sprouting tumeric, an onion to seed from a sprouting onion plus some green onion, a regular tomato bush that has only just started fruiting from seeds off of a cutting board, and some beans from dried beans. Depends on your climate but I'd like to add watermelon (so long as you get the ones with seeds obviously), strawberries, paw paw and dragonfruit. These have all been insane producers for me which is doubly good because they are all quite expensive and anything that has a sugar content is going to have a steep shift in quality between home grown and store bought.The one thing you want to remember is to only replant local stuff as the seeds will be suited to your climate and there is a good chance they'll just be better quality in general.
>>2790102Looks like pumpkins so I'm guessing pumpkins or some kind of squash
>>2790715You'll still find lots of volunteers in the old bed.
>>2784511Hey garden bros. Long time; no post. So, I did this thing. I’ve been a wild freelance Johnny Appleseed since basically le GREAT COOF hit, growing and giving away starter vegetables (because $5 Bell pepper plants at the Lowes is BULLSHIT) and giving advice and help locally in general. Since enrolling and completing I’ve been reading a lot of negative PR about how even saying you are LE MASTER GARDENER is considered a bad thing, and if one should be so foolish as to have their name published to anything with LE MASTER GARDENER even mentioned the suits roll in and demand it be taken down. In other states. I have not heard this about Mississippi. Anyway… Anybody here do the Master Gardener thing? I’ll just let it roll off if the community service hours are too much trouble. They’ll happily drum me out in a year if I don’t log official service. I just do this by myself anyway. I don’t regret the program. It was a nice refresher. I just thought doing it might have been a cool thing to do.
>>2790938"Master" anything usually doesn't mean shit. It's basically just a course you can take, sometimes backed by the city or state and sometimes privately backed. Kind of like a food handler's permit. "Master Composter" in New York just means you learned how to use the Berkeley method and you did a few sample problems about C:N ratio. You might need to be certified as a "Master Gardener" or a "Master Composter" to get certain jobs. I deleted NY's "Master Composter Manual" as soon as I finished reading it. Except for calculating C:N ratio, which honestly isn't that useful, the NRAES "On-Farm Composting" bulletin was a much more complete and practical manual despite being about 30 years out of date.
>>2790944What I appreciated most about the courses was beyond basic botany or whatever they were Mississippi specific. Even mentioned I guess what people would call fringe such as paw paws that grow wild here. But, I agree. “Master.” Lol. I brush my teeth daily and if anybody called me a Master Dental Hygienist I’d make a face.
Some bird or a rat or something just ate like 300 of my morning glory's seeds
>>2790979I wonder what a rat sees during a period of violent drug-induced hallucination.
>>2790982I'll keep an eye out for the one with wings and a third eye
>>2784511Anybody here grow tobacco?
I'm looking for a set of supplemental grow lights for muh greenhouse, do these look ok? There's also a yellow version that might be easier on the eyeswww.amazon.com/Barrina-Spectrum-Daylight-Equivalent-Greenhouse/dp/B0B3CCLW5D
>>2791002terbacky?
>>2790982For some reason your question stayed with me and I'm really wondering now. The whole idea of psychodelics and drug induced hallucinations is our brain trying to establish patterns where there are none, since a rat doesn't inherently have as much of a pattern forming brain my thought is their hallucinations would be a lot more surreal/free flowing. Then again it's not like they can't see patterns, after all rats in mazes is like the basic example of rat brains on action. So what the rat sees or experiences must be a lot more surreal than what we see under the influence of drugs. Then again, the rat doesn't know how to evaluate the concept of surreality to begin with. It's an interesting though. Sadly a quality we probably will not be able to convey within our lifetime (maybe with digital twins and a more direct brain interface in the future though).
>>2784511Where can I find Irish Lumper seeds in the United States?
>>2791058Good grief. I got curious and found three plantlets for FIFTY DOLLARS. You’d think one of those nifty little rare seeds websites would have lumpers but I’m not seeing it. Weird. I’m not seeing quarantines or outright bans here. Looks like an opportunity to make a little money.
>>2791056Why do the machine elves hate niggers then?
>>2791030They're alright. Make sure that they put out enough light for your plants 100 umol/m^2/s is a little low. You should check how much light they're getting already with a light meter and make your decision based on that. There's an app called Photone that you can use and if your phone model isn't supported then I can describe how to calibrate it using the sun on a clear day.
My corn plant is beginning to grow some wheat-looking thing on the top, which from what I gathered are the tassels, but the plant has nothing else except leaves on the side. Is that normal or is my plant doomed?
im lokking into growing corn for the first time and want something that can be cooked and eaten but also dried for cornmealfrom basic research i think dent corn is what I'm looking for but does that sound right to any of you
>>2791359The tassels grow out before the silks. If you don't get any cobs at all then I'd assume it's because of nutrient deficiency.
Is the figure 8 the best knot for steel wire in tension? it would be uysed to join 2 steel wires in a vineyard.
>>2791428Here's what I mean
I am DONE planting tomatoes. They taste the same as the ones from the store. Will be growing more green beans in the future, tho.
>>2791493Yours taste the same as from the store? That’s crazy. I hear you on the green beans, though. In the spring I’m starting another bed just to grow more green beans.
>>2791493Now I'm wondering if you have a super amazing store, grow super bad tomatoes or have very bad taste. None of these options seem likely to me, so I'm out of ideas.That being said, it's your garden, grow whatever makes you happy anon. If tomatoes don't do that, better to use that space for something else.
i’ve set up a few garden beds and am interested in growing plants with medicinal properties. not drugs per se just stuff like st johns wort with mild effects. do you know of any books or resources to learn about which plants i should be growing, how they should be prepared and preserved etc?thansk lads
>>2791600just ask google and find stuff that's relevant to your area, there's plenty of ressources online
>>2791520>Now I'm wondering if you have a super amazing store, grow super bad tomatoes or have very bad taste.Possibly a combination of the three, but really, to me they taste just as acrid as anything I can get in the stores. Maybe I'm not growing good varieties, idk. Those yellow cherry tomatoes I posted, no sweetness at all.
>>2791480Give it a bit, but I don't see any cobs developing on the stalk so it's probably not enough nutrients. It's too late now, but next time add more nitrogen, calcium, and potassium. Corn needs 200lb/acre of nitrogen each season which works out to about 0.15 oz or 4 grams of nitrogen per plant.
>>2791493Pick a different cultivar. I like brandywines, personally.
>>2791600I don't know any resources you can use except wikipedias list page. That's what I went through when I was looking for medicinal plants. Check out buzz buttons.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Medicinal_plantshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_plants_used_in_herbalism
>>2791612Honestly, that's really surprising to me, but you sound like this wasn't the first year you grew tomatoes so a single colder year or something can't explain it. Interestingly this year I fucked up myself and my tomatoes also didn't turn out that great ( see >>2787099 ). That's a really small amount for a single plant and they didn't manage to ripen enough. To be fair I didn't plan on growing them, they just sprouted naturally from the seeds that seemed to fall into my container from last year, so they grew late and this year it got cold fast, but still, if that was my point of reference I wouldn't feel like it was worth it either. Whatever the case, you may just have a above average quality store (also might depend on where you live), so count your blessings and use the space for something that you can't as easily get in that quality.
>>2791600It depends on what kind of medicinal plants you want, if you want to maximize medicinal properties, you'd have to grow stuff from all over the world. I'd probably go to some botanic garden and have a look there for inspiration. Happens to be a fun weekend trip too.If you are more interested in local medicinal plants, I'd get a identification guide that covers medicinal properties and is specific to where you live, then aquire those.Without looking anything up, stuff that comes to mind that should be easy to grow:mint, chamomile, lemongrass, narrowleaf plantain, evening-primrose, poppy, rosemary, thyme, lavender, meadowsweet, sage, marigold, ginger, curcuma, ginseng etc.Really you can just google medicinal herbs and look from there.
>>2791119I just need them to do a few things>literally just be a light so I can see>help with seed starting/propagation>give my indoor citrus supplemental light during the winterI'm open to any suggestions, budget is around 100 burger bucks
>>2791612If I were you, I’d try growing a full-sized variety next time and see if you feel the same way. Though there’s nothing more delicious than a vine-ripened cherry tomato that pops in your mouth like a grape I find some stores have VERY good cherry tomatoes. (SAMs club has some very nice ones.) For me, the most significant difference is between a vine-ripened Better Boy and whatever mealy flavorless lumps they sell in the stores. It makes all the difference in the world on a BLT. The ones from the grocery store taste like bitter water. I just don’t buy full-sized tomatoes anymore. In cold months I’ll buy cherries and occasionally camparis.
>>2791056Eyes everywhere; the smartest mice might see geometric form constants.
>>2791626They definitely won't do all three at once. 150 umol/s is recommended for germination which means that those lights will need to be about 11" above your seeding trays. After they germinate it's recommended that you give them 2-4 times that light. You can use the angle of the light to figure out what height that would be, but I bet it's about 3". It will probably be fine for supplementing your banana, but you'll want to mount it as close as possible.
>>2791727>>2791626Another reason your should measure the light is that not every light on Amazon is as bright as they advertise. You can check the reviews and hope that someone has measured the light and left a review, but it's better to do it yourself instead.
I have acquired the hairy balls vegetable known as chayote. It looks like a white aubergine with spikes. Anyone has experience growing this? I live in northern Italy btw
Honestly, I'm still upset that one weird 32 degree night at the start of october killed my entire garden right when it was at peak, and it took until now to get another frost. I could have had so many zucchinis I had 5 plants which had just put out three or four fruit each, and all my tomatoes were finally ripening. Didn't get a single eggplant this year, either. Worst part about that was I was actually going to over winter it indoors.Nature is fickle.
>>2790102Probably still too early to tell, but is this identifiable now?
I had a bunch of seeds and stuff that I thought would have been expired, and for funniest just planted whatever I had in my "spare seeds" drawer in this big pot, currently it has potatoes, chives, ginger, garlic, no way of knowing what kind of chilli theese are, could be Carolina reaper, could be ornamental purple one or normal red chillies, guess I will find out lmao. The onions have just wilted off at the top, I'm not gonna harvest them, just leave them be and see if they come back. Will be interesting to see if the peas and beans sprout this spring, or hell, even the tobacco might come back, who knows. Its been a fun little experiment
I may get one cob of corn, after all.
>>2791812Yep, this year kinda sucked. I started growing a little late so I replied on the later months to get a decent harvest and the few early cold nights fucked me. Really a shame, but it is what it is. Best we can do is try again next year, I'll try not to plant too late and then we have to hope for better weather.
>>2791812>>2791987As much as I hate the heat I am glad I don't have to worry about winter when it comes to growing. I can basically grow year round so long as I can manage the summer heat. Though heavy late spring rain did just completely fuck my last stage tomato yields.
What would (You) consider the minimal pot size for sage thyme and rosemary? I wanted to get some herb indoors while it's freezing outside. Is it even worth doing right now with how much (no) sun is around?
>>2791493Lol, real. I think my climate is too shit for better tomatoes than storebought.
>>2792010If we're talking minimum, then the size that they come in stores in probably. I used to have all 3 grow in balcony boxes. They will mature and regrow, but not grow too much in size. You should put them at a window or add a grow light though, or they won't get enough light.
It's been 12 days since I started this hot compost pile, the pile still's steaming but not much as it used to. The problem is the wiry dried grass I used as brown material has not caught up to the rest of the pile. It has only turned slightly brown. Fuck fuck fuck did I fail my first batch?? I did not bother to cut the straw into smaller pieces because I don't own a hedge cutter or a mower. And I made sure to compensate by adding a lot of finely chopped greens. And covered it with a tarp to minimize water loss. I really wanted to use it to make potting soil. Is this batch hopeless?
>>2792050Blast it with piss
>>2792051Yep this is exactly what I did on the very first day: pour a gallon of my piss onto my compost pile. When does straw start breaking down? Does it happen within the hot phase or does it start after? Don't even know how straw is supposed to look like when its starting to break down.
>>2792052MORE PISS
>>2792053Shouldn't I try to wait and see, Mr. Pissman? I just squandered my precious piss supply onto another project...
>>2792054MOREPISS
