>large septic tank sunk into ground, furnished into a basic living quarters >1 years worth of food, canned goods, nutritional drinks, vitamins, etc>lights are lazerbrite heads (heads can last 200 hours on just 2 button cell batteries on low), with a years worth of batteries >handpump well for water>years supply of booksrandomly thought of this today, how does this sound as an emergency bunker?i'm not really taking this seriously, and i doubt i'll ever actually do it, but i'd still find it interesting to hear what you'd think
>>2777304>Emergency bunker>year's supplyWhat for? if you're in the direct blast zone of a nuclear bomb, a few metres of earth won't protect you, and if you're further out, all you really need is to survive the first few weeks until the worst of the radiation has died down, then put on protective gear and get away.For all other scenarios, you don't even need to stay in a bunker for more than a few days at a time (in case of hurricanes or regular bombings).So for the money you'd spend on building your bunker, you'd be better of making several caches of food and gear and getting a cabin somewhere in the middle of nowhere. If the brown goo hits the rotor blades, you're gonna want to bug out as quickly as possible, and if it's a minor scenario, you can still bug in with 2-4 weeks of supplies.
>>2777306its not for nuclear bombs, it would be total societal collapse or something like a solarflarei live in a rural area, so if i wanted to, i could hide a bunker anywhere easily on some cheap land main issue i see is looters / bandits / gangs, even if they're not some super evil group, i don't wanna be turned into a slave just to spend all day picking up cow shit, while eating a handful of corn every day via the blessings of a fat chieftain thats assuming a bad winter doesn't make people outright go "i have no food, and you're made of food", and i end up a pile of boiled bones & jerky'd flesh, as the town is fought over by starved militants armed via the local military bases
>>2777312well, anonare you prepared for a serious event?you have at least a 2 week supply of food & water, right?prepping isn't about "muh apocalypse", its about being able to be secure in an emergency
>>2777306>if you're in the direct blast zone of a nuclear bomb, a few metres of earth won't protect youI don't disagree with most of your post but that particular sentence ain't true. The "direct blast zone of a nuclear bomb" ranges from ground zero where everything that isn't a heavily-buried hardened military bunker is wiped from the map through to the edges of the blast radius where windows might be blown in but otherwise you'll be fine. A few meters of earth would be more than sufficient to protect your from everything but the very centre of the blast radius, both from the initial shockwave and subsequent fallout (3ft, never mind 3m, of earth provides a protection factor of 100). The biggest problem would be predicting when you need to actually enter the thing. An actual bunker is probably overkill for most people though. Just putting security film over your windows would be enough to prevent you from being shotgunned with shards of glass if you're caught in the 1-2 psi overpressure radius (potentially a few psi past that depending on the grade of the film and whether it's properly installed. Also provides a benefit in the more likely event that some nigger tries to break in and steal your tv or a bad storm hurls a tree branch at your window.The next step after that would be installing security shutters of some kind to provide additional protection against debris and hardening exterior doors to prevent them from being blown in (replacing the hinge, lockset and strike plate screws as well as installing an extended strike plate and hinge bolts can be done in an afternoon and greatly improves the strength of your door to boots or shockwaves).Beyond that you could maybe access the roof trusses and reinforce them with hurricane straps (roof up-lift is a major cause of building collapse in hurricanes, I expect it'd be the same for a shockwave) but you're getting to the point of major structural work where you might as well knock it down and rebuild with ICF.
>>2777304Sounds like a good way to die when some debris falls onto the hatch of your shelter. Hope it opens inward and you've got a jack and saw to shift/cut through whatever might land on top of you.
>>2777326was actually thinking of keeping a few jacks in ittheres a lot of areas with clearings too, and if i was in a desert, it would be even less of a issue
Me and two of my neighbors have a plan. We live in an outline town well away from a big city it's still got an airport but it's only got one road through the town so it's easy to blockade all the goofballs and rampaging hordes that would try to come here. It was so many causeways over gorgeous and stuff it would be easy to demolish part of it to keep people out. And the prevailing wind blows away from that City so it wouldn't be subjected to fall out of any kind.
hello I was invited to this thread from /b/. apparently I should keep a bunch of preprepared meals in my house just in case? is this some kind of scam?
What if I don't need much and want to prep for hobo-maxxing? Just small solar panel to charge my phone or powerbank, just enough water to drink and to bathe once per week? Can winter be survived without heating, just in warm sleepingbag and woolen clothes?
>>2780769Depends where the winter is.With proper thermals and outer clothing, you can walk around on the north pole and dance even.Research it properly to buy the right clothing.Ideally if you were going to hobo-max, get electronics-ing and get yourself multiple Pi0s / Arduinos / similar small SBCs with temperature sensors on your body.I say multiple for redundancies sake.I say SBCs instead of smart watches because1) insanely cheaper2) you can fix shit if it breaks (and you learn it properly)ideally you would chain them together and have a setup where if one of them actually fails, the others will alarm you so you know to fix it.The alarm for a failure should actually be a deadmans switch, not something that turns on.The right control circuit setup to check your temperature every 5 minutes could have a system that could run off a small lipo battery for ages.Remember, you need to check for both cold AND heat. Don't want to accidentally end up stupid-hot under all those layers of clothes because it started to heat up while you were sleeping.You don't need to be tech-poor if you hobomax, so hobomax properly, hobomax in style.
>>2777304>septic tank living quartersI AM BECOME SHIT
>>2780766>apparently I should keep a bunch of preprepared meals in my house just in case? absolutely, you should have some basic easily made meals, a weeks worth of food is the minimum you should haveyou don't need much, just designate a closet to have a set of canned food & some bottles of gatorade, it'll be good for about 5 yearsbtw, with the gatorade thing, its because gatorade is a common bottle that still uses the rubber gasket in the lid, like how every bottle used to, out of that fact, bottles without a gasket are bad after about a year (lets them sell more consistently)if you don't want gatorade, pick some other brand that has a gasket or just get cans of some other drink like flavored water, since that a common thing now>is this some kind of scam?is the current state of Asheville NC after Helene a scam? or how about Buffalo NY's 2022 blizzard?if you gone without power for a week, and weren't able to go to any stores, how well would you fare?
>>2777304>large septic tank sunk into ground, furnished into a basic living quartersMakes sense, as they're made to be buried but I'd want one at least 1000 gallons in size for two people (single chamber of course, 1000 gallon tank = 102″L (8.5 Ft) x 60″W (5 Ft) x 63″H (5.25 Ft) 42.5 Sq.Ft floor space.) >1 years worth of food, canned goods, nutritional drinks, vitamins, etcAs you can see from the above, you're going to need to store your supplies elsewhere.
>>2780940>just designate a closet to have a set of canned food & some bottles of gatoradeIf we're talking about food for 1-2 people, it can be kept in the kitchen cabinets.
>>2777304Don't forget tools.
>>2780941>As you can see from the above, you're going to need to store your supplies elsewhere.i seea floating septic tank will do, then
In a societal collapse situation I think it is smart to be far from other people. The herd will thin every day. Vehicles will run out of gas. Vehicles will break down. Roads will become blocked and impassable. Every day you survive improves your chances of surviving long term as competition for resources dwindles.Productive land in a lightly populated area with a dependable clean water supply is a good starting point. I think a moderate climate with a good growing season is also beneficial. I think rougher terrain that allows you to block roads to isolate yourself and your community from hostile outsiders will be good also.
>>2780943Where can I buy the orange flavored beverage in MREs?
>>2780974Well sure, maybe.Where you live is a pretty life-defining decision though. Making that decision based on how you'll fare in some hypothetical future societal collapse rather than where your friends and family live, your career or proximity to your preferred hobbies and leisure activities sounds pretty fucking retarded to me. There's realistic prepping and then there's this (also this >>2780780) sort of pointless, adolescent wank.
>>2780981Just because you are retarded and don't want to put in effort doesn't mean the rest of us will.It's literally your very life on the line, not a fucking videogame where you can reload.
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>>2780974I'd rather live up some holler with some likeminded neighbors. Otherwise it's constant vigilance lest someone or someones creep up to you in the middle of the night. You have to be lucky 100% of the time; it's the same kind of odds as someone on the lam. And don't kid yourself; figure the people fanning out from the cities in search of rural lootboxes would cover about 10 miles per day on foot, it's pretty hard to be remote enough to completely avoid that.Barring that, mechanical injury or disease/parasites will knock you down long enough that you can't recover without help. Some isolated house in the middle of the woods is simply an easy target (Which it pains to say, as that's where I am.)But it's all stupid theory craft, rurals will be forced off their land by hook or by crook long before any real collapse happens.
>>2777304This is the best guide I've seen on these kinds of scenarios. When people realize the power grid isn't coming back on anytime soon it'll get bad, and you need to have stuff to barter with.
>>2781003apparently that turned out to be bullshit, guy never had any of that stuff happen, but the advice is still legitimately goodits a genuinely well thought out piece, hoax or no, as opposed to some gay ass boog boys fantasy bullshit some try to peddlea collapse of society is a very boring, tiring, demanding, and losing affair, not a freeforall battle of whos the most guccied out if you haven't had a source of light in a month, with no apparent future of the power coming back, but you got a gold pocket watch or a even a spare gun, you'll be damn willing to trade it for a few candles & matches
>>2781001>I'd rather live up some holler with some likeminded neighbors.I would also but there are no jobs out in the sticks.
>>2777312you havent done your trans preperation?havent you learned anything from hecking fallout and nintendosYou can survive a nuclear blast via transrights and if you believe hard enough
>>2781018sorry kiddo, this doesn't work when you are already arguing from the position of the terminally online maladaptive day dreamer, just randomly throwing buzzword phrases you've have thrown at you, doesn't work on people telling you to stop wanking your life away and actually go outside.go outside.
>>2781006People tend to think societal collapse would be like The Walking Dead or Mad Max when in reality it'll be much quieter, colder, and sadder. I didn't look much into the event itself but most of the advice made sense to me. Especially about hygiene being a huge issue. You get shot? Even if it didn't kill you infection probably will. Gash your leg open? Unless you got something to clean and cover it with you're fucked. Drink bad water by mistake? Better have loperamide or you stand no chance. Common diseases that a lot of people don't think about because the doctor can just give them a prescription, strep, pnemonia, bronchitus, typhoid, leprosy, all are either way more of an issue or a straight up death sentence.
>>2781022>he fell for the bait
>>2781043>i-i-i was just pertendin to be defeective!!11 lul got u!lol, riiiight.
>>2781028There are indigenous people living traditionally to this day. I'm sure they have all sorts of fucked up health issues but they survive
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>>2777307>it would be total societal collapseThat's going to last more then 1 year
>>2778867sorry to burst your bubble but if your town has an airport its getting nuked no matter how small it is
>>2781111>sorry to burst your bubble but if your town has an airport its getting nuked no matter how small it isLmao. Pull ya head in, retard.Russia has an arsenal of 1549 stretegic warheads. America has over 5000 public airports and about 15000 private ones.
>>2777307So you'd wake up to some assholes shitting down your airvents and taking bets on how long until you open the door. Then they rape you.
Things I wish I had right now after 1.5 weeks without power in Appalachia:>alkaline battery powered radio>solar panel>more battery banks>grill & charcoal>more candles>canned fruits & other sweets>MREs/canned meals that dont need heat>more coolers, stocked with ice&ice packs>more gas cans filled with gasthe following is more to kill the boredom when no cell service or batteries dead, point is to have some non-electric hobbies:>actually interesting books>a non-electric musical instrument>a non-electric camera>a good telescope/hunting scope>won't last forever but a bunch of manga/hentai downloaded on phone
>>2781185>more gas cans filled with gasPropane is the way to go. It never "rots" like gasoline and thus multiple 20lb (or larger) tanks can be stored away in the shed essentially forever.
>>2777304You want to have a lot of spices and condiments. I have been snowed in for multiple months before and some days I chose not to eat anything because of how bland beans and rice are. Spices are the spice of life.
>>2781204And at the other end of the spectrum, I've been sailing in Polynesia where the only food on the boat was rice and whatever fish we could catch for days on end. If you've got a rotating stock of condiments then you can make even plain rice taste fine. Kecap manis was what we reached for the most but you'll also want onions sauce, at least one type of hot sauce (or at the very least something spicy) and something savoury or garlicky.
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i wonder how are the florida anons doing with the storm & all
>>2781508Hungover, probably.
>>2781587all the stores are closed, so they have no access to pedialyte, those poor bastards
>>2781588Hair of the gator as they say>Florida Man marches on
>>2781003Let us hope none of us ever have to survive in such situations. It sounds like a bleak and depressing existance
>>2780780Wtf is this? Temperature sensors all over your body? You mean like sensors to tell if you are too hot or cold? That's so innovative techbro, to know when I'm too hot or too cold would be a game changer, I'm always getting frostbite and heatstroke since I'm techpoor and consequently I have NO IDEA when I'm overheating or freezing.
>>2781978Stop being obtuse and taking things to stupid levels. A single sensor and ambient temp sensor is all you'd need.People freeze to death all the fucking time out in the wild. It's retards like you that romanticize the "great outdoors" that get people killed through naivety.Reminder that humanity topped out at 1.5 odd billion people before regular society came in to being.If you are going to prep, you damn well do it properly as there's no do-overs.The chances of you being in a situation where you are roofless is extremely slim, but it can and will happen if shit really hit the fan, properly hit the fan.While a fire and basic ass shelter in the woods could keep you alive most times, especially if you learn proper long-term fire maintenance techniques, sometimes shit gets chilly, and people DO die in those instances. All the damn time.
>>2781993>The chances of you being in a situation where you are roofless is extremely slim, but it can and will happen if shit really hit the fan, properly hit the fan.The best course of action is to bunker-down and stay where you are with roof over your head, all your supplies at hand and in an area you're familiar with and where you know the people. Wandering off inna woods is likely to get you shot by the people who live nearby and didn't wander off.
>>2782037True, but in some instances that might not be possible and you may need to flee the area, possibly permanently.If you live in an area that gets hit with particularly harsh temperatures, best to keep an eye on it externally, especially when you're unconscious.With a proper tent setup and fire, your chances are extremely high of surviving anyway, but equally you are exposed if you were in such a SHTF scenario due to the light. There's ways of hiding fires decently well, as well as dampening the smoke through trees (ideally you want smokeless in the first place but is sometimes not possible)Anything that can aid in your survival is always a win in my book.Electric thermometers make one major stressor pretty trivial if you ever have to flee an area suddenly.If we're talking full on civil war, a city turned to chaos, that's a pretty realistic case of getting the fuck out of there.People always hype up the whole "na bro I got my friends we got a militia", but you can still get sniped by some cunt hiding in bushes from a distance regardless of your numbers. Numbers just lowers the chance of it being you vs your friends head that explodes.When lawlessness sets in, people will do anything to survive.
Sounds pretty cozy!
Here's a question. Let's say you are prepping while renting. At what money/food/water/hygiene/cleaning supplies point do you go "nah, I'm good, I need to save up for a house." Like, 3 months of supplies? A year? At what point does it become clearly absurd to keep stockpiling in a rental?
>>2782285depends on the size of the rental & how much you personally want
>>2782286Lets say 1000 sq. ft.
>>2782285A year of food shouldn't come close to a payment on a house. I recommend that you start by saving up some bottles, at least one per fridge shelf and two for the freezer because it will help keep things from spoiling in a power outage and it's nearly free. After that I'd get a bunch of dry food like rice, beans, lentils, peas, ect. Then I'd work on expanding your water supply, but not necessarily to keep in your fridge. Then canned meats and vegetables and a shitload of spices and condiments. That should even save you money on your grocery bill. Just eat from your store and replace things before they run out.
>>2782063>True, but in some instances that might not be possible and you may need to flee the area, possibly permanently.Agreed, if it's a natural disaster like a flood or wildfire where you simply cannot stay at home.
>>2782285If you're renting, don't bother prepping/stockpiling anything than brass desu. Admittedly the idea of 'prepping' is just weird LARP fantasy, but c'mon; all you're going to be is a lootbox for someone better armed and more aggressive than yourself.
>>2782291depending on how long you play to stay, a month or to seems just fine
>>2782410Yeah why bother going outside, you just get ticks. I better start voting and using reddit so I can cut my dick off so I can serve bbc and die for Israel.
>>2782496You hit all the talking points anon, but still managed to make zero sense.
>>2782410Having a mortgage doesn't somehow make you immune from desperate looters.
>>2782690Correct. But if you’re renting you’re almost assuredly surrounded by potential desperate looters, versus owning a rural land/house (which mitigates, but not eliminate the risk)
>>2780766>is this some kind of scam?Yes. Totally. If a storm or disaster hits your area and you run out of food you just have to wait for the next care package. The Gov't will be dropping these onto your house every 24 hours.
>>2780943You don't even need to be extra special specific survival food. Just keep a supply of cans and pasta and rotate through it.
>>2782410>Admittedly the idea of 'prepping' is just weird LARP fantasyTell that to the people hit by Helene.
Bunkers are fucking stupid.You need to evaluate your goals, do you want to live in some post-apocalyptic hell scape? Do you even have any worthwhile skills to last more than a month? If not, don't even bother.99% of prepping is bullshit that wastes money. Here's how to counter it: incorporate prepping into your daily lifestyle.Buy food in bulk, try to go to the grocery store once every month for main supplies, once every week for fresh foods. Take up gardening and animal husbandry. Stockpile drinking water by the gallon jug and consume it linearly (or filter your own)Get solar, go hybrid grid or full off grid setup, aim for your essentials to be full off grid perpetually if needed.Like for fucks sake bare minimum is keeping 10 gallons of drinking water on hand like 20 cans of chilli or beans or something, and a folding 50+ watt solar panel + 20,000ma battery bank. Everyone should have this, most should not have any more than this
>>2777304>handpump well for waterthis is what i wanted for long time, blackouts mean no water, it sucks keeping a bunch of 5 gallon jugs
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>>2782868If you keep some gallon jugs in your fridge and freezer then it will help keep your food cold during a power outage so it takes longer to spoil. It's just a couple days of water, but it's practical enough to be worth doing. If you're a gross motherfucker that doesn't shower or bath then you can do this >>2782873
>>2782863This. I'll add that if you get solar, install a battery of any size or you won't be able to use your panels during an outage. It's a safety precaution for the power line repairmen.
>>2782924>Food expires, guns don't What an absolute retard. ISHYGDDT
>>2782924Three firearms can be used to acquire many meals.
>>2783049That's not true. Look up how many registered hunters there are in your state and look up how many game animals there are in your state. It will work out to less than 10. If your plan is to live off hunting then you will starve.
>>2782924My opinion? Just an opinion.I'd opt against the rifle to make more room for more meds/first aid, sleeping bags(maybe one of those blobs already is... not sure), flashlights, gloves. baby wipes, hand sanitizer. lighters, manual navigation(map and compass), AZO and feminine hygiene products and spare socks and underwear(I can understand why those might be omitted from the photo) or just move lighter and faster without being visibly armed.I don't like it, but, running around with a rifle, camo ballistic helmet, plate carrier in a disaster is just fed bait. A full capacity combat pistol is enough.Arm the wife with an identical pistol too and get her the training she needs to use is safely and effectively in a CCW sense. A concealable vest and/or slick plate carrier under a baggy overshirt is a lot more low profile at a distance and a soft vest for the wife is a good idea too(plate suck on the ol' boobs). A bump cap liner in a trucker hat or slick black ballistic helmet that could pass as being used for motorcycling is enough. Spare mags in cargo pockets and a duty belt under a jacket is enough.Also I notice some waste here, why bring propane to boil water for the Mountain House food? You can add plain water and just wait twice as long for it to rehydrate per the Mountaain House website.I also notice some car stuff in mobility. Tools and jumper cables. Why is this stuff not already in the trunk?Also, what's with the combat knife, a folder will do for most tasks. Are you really going to be batonning woood, stabbing people, and prying things open with that?That's just me, though.
>>2782897>a gross motherfucker that doesn't shower or bathIt's a disaster situation and the water is needed for drinking, you can bathe using a sponge.
>>2783049>>2783063Rat traps baited with peanuts in a wire mesh pouch made from window screen secured to the trigger plate, with get you squirrels.
>>2777304How would you empty the tank? It holds a fjnit amount of waste.
>>2783107>fjnituh
>>2777304>OP builds bunker>I wait until op goes into bunker and locks himself in >run a hose from my car's exhaust to the bunker's air intake >Let it run for several hours until I'm sure OP has succumbed to CO poisoning >break in and take all the great stuff OP was kind enough to collect for me
>>2783114>climb down into bunker>look around for the body>theres nothing there>watch as the hatch closes
>>2783098How are you going to fill it in an emergency? The water company won't be pressurizing your water anymore.
>>2783100That's infinitely more sensible than planning on hunting for your meals and competing with every other hunter. Snares are much lighter and you can carry more of them so I'd go with those instead. Other traps can be made from sticks and rocks and baited with peanut butter.
>>2777304>>2783114>>2783116Just build it like the Viet Cong
>>2783131>How are you going to fill it in an emergency?The same way you do everyday, Municipal water towers keep working via gravity until they're eventually empty and no more water is pumped up into them.
>>2782873>>2783162I'll also add that you have 40-55 gallons of water in the heater.
>>2783162>>2783163Water towers don't service every water line and you're assuming a lot about this emergency. As one example, if an earthquake breaks your main then you aren't getting any water. The 50 gallons in your water heater is all you will get and you won't even get that in an apartment because most apartments use large shared water heaters to simplify servicing. I see no benefit whatsoever to that tub bladder. Especially because you could just block the drain and fill the tub.
>>2781008>.238
>>2783186> this and that and the other thing mean you won't have any water> I see no benefit to the tub bladder?>Especially because you could just block the drain and fill the tub.Even if it's just been cleaned, a bathtub is dirty as fuck.
>>2783294Just pour some bleach into the water. That'll sterilise it enough for you to avoid shitting your guts out and that's all that matters in an emergency.
>>2783294Confirmed gross mother fucker with poor hygiene. What are you doing with your life?
>>2783296Yeah, that's a much better idea then a simple, safe and sterile water bag...>>2783304That's not a pic of my bathtub, dumbass.
>>2783186>Especially because you could just block the drain and fill the tub.>>2783296>That'll sterilise it enough>>2783304Confirmed gross mother fucker with poor hygiene.bacteria doesn't just "go away", theres always something there, and over time, it growssure, in the moment, its fine, its not much, your body will beat it away in a heart beatif i touch a drain, then touch my lips, eye, or nose, i'm going to be perfectly finebut if you let water stay in contact with it for a week? you'll be dying the next week aftereven the open air is filled with bacteria, its everywhere, its not just something you can ignore in such a situationoh, and stuff like bleach in the open air will just vapor out, unlike how a bag contains it
>>2783504You have a very poor understanding of what makes water safe or unsafe to drink. The human body is far more resilient than you seem to think.Unless you're literally shitting in your bathtub then you could easily leave the water sitting in it for over a month without it becoming unsafe to drink. If your bathtub is reasonably clean when the water goes in (say, if you've washed it down with bleach first) then there's a fair chance you could leave it sitting indefinitely. Yes, bacteria from the open air will contaminate it relatively quickly but the mere presence of bacteria doesn't make water unsafe.
>>2783495>sterileI don't think you know what that word means, you gross mother fucker.
If you like that lifestyle go for it anything that brings you closer to self reliance but don't kid yourself that there's any situation you'll actually need survival bunker. Put a taller sturdier fence and pantry in the basement and you'll have 95% of the functionality 500% comfort for fraction of a cost.
>>2782785>versus owning a rural land/house99% of Americans can't afford acreage with house in the back woods or even of they can, there are no jobs out in the boonies.Though I will agree that a suburban house is better than an apartment but even there, your neighbors will be starving within 2 weeks and will cannibalize you.
>>2780943Why is the hole poking to drain air crossed out?Should I do that or should I not? It makes sense that I should but why is it crossed out?
>>2784363Apartment AND a small hidden house in the woods ist the way to go.
>>2784706>Should I do that or should I not?Do not. Poking a hole only lets air IN causing the food to go stale and/or spoil faster. Plus, some packaging uses nitrogen gas to make the food last even longer.
I'm not into "prepping" and I recognize image from that /k/ thread.>How do you fortify this position?Tunnels, the answer is tunnels.Flat terrain, soft soil.
>>2784728>But how?Shovels, augers, diggers, power tools.Can even fit vehicles with enough clearance.
>>2784730Google recreational tunneling
>>2784721>Apartment AND a small hidden house in the woods ist the way to go.Is it though? The hidden house in the woods doesn't do much good if you can't get there.Some disasters might come with enough of a warning for you to bug-out in advance but not all of them, and bugging-out post-disaster won't necessarily be an easy journey.
>>2777304you sunk a septic tank but didn't install solar/wind or a ground heat pump...you could have gotten rechargeable headlamps and had unlimited solar battery life (at least until the led goes kaput)>>2785739>bugging-out post-disaster won't necessarily be an easy journeye-bike with 3x battery and a Coho trailer...can go 100 miles with 3x batteries, can carry an extra 350lbs, including portable solar array to stop and recharge every ~100 miles
>>2784906>https://www.tiktok.com/@engineer.everythingholy shit it's real
>>2782378>two (2) clif bars
>>2780943Wasn't this pic debunked as having a pretty terrible selection of food?
>>2783063A large number of veteran hunters are retarded and don't really know how to hunt. Many hunters are urban/suburban. Many hunters are elderly. Large numbers of people will die in the cataclysm, including good hunters and the aforementioned. Many survivors will not be able to hunt nor think to do it. Thus, there will be plenty of game for those who know how to hunt.>t. work at a sporting goods store that is an institution in my city and across the region.
>>2785793You do you, bro. If you want to roll the dice like that on your survival then have at it. I'm going to use that space and weight for a walking stick with a dozen or so snares and fly fishing hooks and line and we'll see who eats better.
>>2785793>the cataclysm2 weeks, amirite?
>Someone goes to build on land.>See septic clean out.>SHIIIID imma plumb right into that
High in sodium with no integrated way to cook it. Yeah, this is not MREs. MREs are NOT just, like, "some shit you could eat for a day packaged together" they ARE Meals: Ready to Eat. You wanna do your own "MREs?" Start with lifeboat rations like Millenium Bars and then add some protein items with no/low sodium like unsalted nuts or trail mix or tuna or chicken foil packets or protein bars(opting for ones with longer shelf life) or at worst peanutbutter crackers there you go. Leass heat tolerant. Less variety. Less pleasant, but you aren't fucking around with campfires, boiling water, excessive dishes, or cook times.
>>2786427MREs suck ass and taste like shit. Just learn about nutrition and keep a large store of dried foods.
>>2786445this but MREs are intended to be portable so they win if youre looking to fill out a BOB
>>2786454Emergency ration bars are far more size and weight efficient. Yeah, MREs have them beat on taste and nutrition but if you're in a situation where you have to bug-out on foot that's a lot less important than not starving to death.
>>2786475>>2786454
>>2786475>>2786476fair
>>2786454Nah, just keep the dried foods in buckets and rotate them by eating them regularly. They'll stay dry and last at least a year. Some of them don't even need to be cooked. Put some oatmeal and dried fruit in a mason jar with water and a little brown sugar and you've got breakfast for tomorrow.
>>2777304>how does this sound as an emergency bunker?very ok but you are missing one thing: a septic tank for your septic tank, where does your poop go?
>>2782285>"nah, I'm good, I need to save up for a house."nigger what economic hellhole are you in where a years supply of basic food is preventing you from saving up for a house?in the uk: (source in brackets)200kgs rice £100 (morrisons)50 tins of baked beans £11 (literally anywhere)50 tins of glenrycks pilchards £35 (morrisons)2 x 180 tablet jars of multivitamins + iron £4 (home bargains)fuck ton of biscuits/chocolate bars £20 (anywhere)50 x canned veg inc. peas, approx £30 (anywhere)total: £200Some days will be very lean but you could live for a year on that.Fuel to cook the rice will be your next biggest expenditure but you can probably get away with a large bottle of propane/butane mix.I live in a rented place and have a stockpile bigger than that, most of the rice is sealed in jars or bags flooded with CO2 to kill pests and prevent bacterial growth, at that point the metal lids on the jars will rust away before it goes bad.
>>2786803Those are some insane prices unless britbux are way more valuable than dollars.
>>2787080insane in what way? and yes, they are.
>>2787117>and yes, they are.Not nearly enough to justify those insane prices.>50 cans of baked beans for $14.21>One can for $0.2842>One ounce for less than $0.02That's not a real price for anything. Does Britland subsidize beans?
>>2787120I'm just going to preface this by saying, you are a retarded yank. you didnt answer my question but i gather things are more expensive for you, i don't know why your currency is so shit or your food is so expensive. but i do know that yanks on the whole cannot comprehend that other countries are different/better in some ways.>That's not a real price for anything.I'm not going to do your research for you, but to be fair, i did look up beans on morrisons and i can't find their cheapest option online. tins of baked beans cost between 20p to 29p in store, they used to be cheaper. the price fluctuates and varies. i used 22p as a base because that is what i last paid, they were 27p yesterday.other supermarkets are similar. e.g. tesco, asda, aldi. Beans are more pricey in smaller chain supermarkets but other things are cheaper to balance it out, like heron foods, and the GOAT: home bargains.50p is average for cheapest rice. Anyway I just enjoyed a delicious breakfast of 27p baked beans and mushroom and cheese omellete, with home made bread, total cost: less than £1.50stick that in your pipe and smoke it, you daft yank.
>>2787151I see, you made it up. At least you can admit that.
ugh why do I buy so much nylon gear and crap it all just piles up and no I'm not making this up ugghhhhh
>>2787154the narcissism of yanks will never cease to disgust me.
>>2783504>if i touch a drain, then touch my lips, eye, or nose, i'm going to be perfectly fine>but if you let water stay in contact with it for a week? you'll be dying the next week afterYou and your biome will never make it with that attitude.
>>2786803Its not that food is expensive, its that temperature-controlled storage space IS.
>>2787151>>2787172
>>2787233it's quite evident that you don't think about us at all because you have no idea how much more expensive your own food is and how your own currency compares to ours, and also, that Britiain (the place that uses £) is not part of the EU any more.>FREEDUM! WOOOO!>food is so expensive you can't afford a house>FREEDUM MURRICA!>you need a licence that costs hundreds to walk on the best trails.I rent a house, have preps, and have had no job for the past 3 months, but have been out hiking/mountaineering/exploring anywhere i wanted, for free, and stockpiled more food.
>>2787218nothing in my list requires that, it is all dry or canned.I'm done here.Gonna leave some actually good prepping info, rather than just an argument with a narcissist. >>2777304>Buy only dry or canned foodmost food lasts way beyond it's "best before" date, expiry dates specify true end of life. seal everything in air tight containers or at least jars with a lid.>THE BEST PREPS ARE NOT TANGIBLEskills and knowledge are the best preps, learn bushcraft, knots, how to start fire, how to identify clean water, edible plants in your area, how to trap and hunt, how to build shelter and stay warm and dry. THEN PRACTICE THEM. You don't want to make your first paiute dead fall trap in a survival situation and find you can't do it/it doesn't work/there's nothing to trap in your area.>bunkers need an air inlet and air outlet and filter on both or atleast a check valve on the outlet.and water filter and waste disposal and spare parts for all those things and tools to fix all those things.>things you won't think to stockpile-boots (they wear out/get waterlogged/get torn/fall apart at random)-pencils-paper-sharpening gear for your knives/axes that you have also not forgotten to stockpile.>things a lot of preppers surprisingly don't have-blankets/warm stuff including socks-small denomination old silver coins for trade-lighters/matches which will be worth 10x their weight in silver.-candles (including different sources of light and headlamps)-soap-buckets/water containers
>>2777304also here's photos from an ROc post construction. many of these are still good today.they would pour a concrete pad, then used two layers of bitumen tanking on all sides. with brick wall between.
