The purpose of this general is to encourage people to go /out/ and find cool fossils and artifacts. This thread is also a place to share our own collections and things we find when we are /out/ hunting.Rules are as follows,>To just post and discuss fossils and other related geological subjects.>When you post about a fossil in your collection, please label it with what formation it is from, what it is, and where in the world it is from.>If you don't know where it originated or the species that is ok, just label it as so>You can post rocks and minerals as long a they are ones that you have found while /out/ Helpful Links https://paleobiodb.org/navigator/https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/https://zoom.earth/Geologic maps of US states (usgs.gov)A Beginner's Guide To Fossil Hunting - Fossil Hunting Trips - The Fossil ForumListing of Historic Resources (alberta.ca)Frett not other Fossil anons, I am back! Just went through a hell of a big move from Dallas to Houston in the past two months, still going trouh all my boxes to find all my fossils to put back in my bookcase. For a thread starter I'll post on of the last nice ammonites I found up in Dallas before I moved. Placenticeras sp. Eagle Ford Group Britton Fm. Denton Co. Texas
I spent so much time in the woods digging for fossils like a retard, when I didn't even know I could have gone to the stream and found shitloads of arrowheads
If I live on land that is "glacial till" from the last ice age, in New England that's been settled for centuries, my odds of finding any fossils are pretty low right? There's interesting stuff in the woods but it's mostly stuff white people put there 150 years ago. Old cellars and such.
>>2767130yes like me you will nigh find any fossils but anon check youtube for tutorials about looking around river bends for arrowheads and such. it's surprising how lucky you can get if you know where to look and get a trained eye
>>2767131Sometimes I dig a deep hole to plant a tree or shrub and find a lot of rocks but nothing very interesting. I found some worms... then I learned that worms are not native to the northeast and the soil here has naturally not had earthworms since the start of the last ice age, which was interesting. But they're here again as introduced species. I thought worms were just ubiquitous.
>>2767132I never knew that about earthworms that's kind of wild honestly
Glad to see the general is back. I went out to my tail club site last week and found some more little pieces of it, as well as this albertosaurus tooth. Will post a pic of the club once Ive glued the new pieces on.
>>2767115>Digging for fossils in the woods
>>2767318I meant when I was a little kid and didn't know better
>>2767115>>2767316Nice finds anons. I’m envious.
>>2767115WOW! good find
>>2767338digging holes in a forest looking for fossils as a kid is pretty based, even if its retarded>>2767316This is the anodontosaurus club work station. I went back to the site for the first time in nearly 2 years and collected some more pieces of it, and have glued a few more pieces onto the knob. The broken pieces are all ossified tendons, and they are an extremely difficult puzzle to put together since they are very random in structure. This is the fourth anodontosaurus club ever found. It will eventually be given to a museum.Im also going out tomorrow to a spot I havent been to in a few years. Hopefully will be a good day.
>>2767112illegal thread
>>2767418can you collect artifacts and fossils on your own property? or is it like finding oil or mineral wealth and gubburnment automatically owns everything under the grass?
>>2767419depends on what it isred man will come for his most people here dont own property and are thus robbing posterity as ed abbey said these things are better appreciated in the place they are found than sitting on someones dusty bookshelf
>>2767426should you just offer any items to a local museum or historical society then? there has to be an ethical way of digging for artifacts (assuming you have legal right to do so at the location etc)
>>2767426Quit shitting up the thread retard. There are many places both inside and outside the US where you can legally collect fossils both on your own private land and on public land. If youre in florida you can collect vertebrate fossils for a license that costs like $10 a year. Invertebrate fossils are fine to collect in most places. Most states allow surface collecting of artifacts. There are very few places where you arent allowed to walk farmers fields with permission and collect points.>>2767427Digging is completely different than surface collecting, which is how the vast majority of people are looking for fossils and artifacts. Both of you guys dont have a fucking clue what youre talking about and should probably kill yourself ASAP if you cant stop this sort of behaviour.
>>2767445Am I not aloud to dig on my own property?
>>2767450Can you dig on your property? Yes, almost everywhere allows this. Can you intentionally dig for and collect vertebrate fossils and artifacts? This is like asking if you are allowed to drive at a speed of 100km/h. Its a pointless question as it lacks the information required for an answer to be given. I can pretty much guarantee that all of the things posted in this thread so far are legal (invertebrates from texas, surface collected point from a creek, dinosaur fossils from alberta).
>>2767112is this a lithic core remnant or just a cool looking chunk of agate?
>>2767450You can do whatever you want but if there are underground cables depending on where you live. Also: Most people assume when they buy property they own the mineral rights and that simply isn't true.
>>2767445>shitting up the threadyoull take my courtesy bumps and like it bitch >Most states allow surface collecting of artifacts>Digging is completely different than surface collectingwell good thing no one here is talking about digging for artifacts then right? that would be illegal. and even more than just the law, what about the ethics of hobbyists taking home whatever they find? these things are not renewable resources pardon me for being skeptical when treasure hunters like you spent the past 150 years ravaging historic sites all over the southwest
https://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2024/01/13/prc-massive-destruction-near-fort-pearce-caused-by-treasure-hunters-on-trust-lands/
>>2767629So weve gone from “the thread is illegal” to “one guy in the thread said he used to dig holes in forests as a kid”. Being the /in/cel you are, you are completely ignorant as to how the vast majority of fossil and artifact hunters look for things. Almost everybody will agree that digging for artifacts and fossils is unethical. You trying to focus the discussion on this is therefore moronic, as everybody agrees, other than that one dudes 10 year old self.Surface collecting fossils and artifacts (especially out of context ones) is an objectively good thing for preservation of natural resources, as these things are quickly destroyed by the elements. See picrel. Your moronic point about trying to paint all people who partake in this hobby as people who excavate things from protected sites is laughable, and akin to saying that all hunters are like the people who intentionally trophy hunt endangered species. Bleach. Buy some. Drink it all. Im afraid that is your only option for redemption at this point.
>>2767629the law here says that you must hand over all finds to the local indigenous groups but the archaeological record shows that there were at least 5 seperate cultural groups that inhabited this area over millenia. but i agree that selling artifacts is cringe as fawk
>>2767710>vast majoritythere is nothing about the best ethical practices of what you are doing in the OP. somehow I doubt the vast majority of you treasure hunters are informed or even give a shit about whats legal and what isnt. maybe update the general post with some information about ethics as it would reflect poorly on your hobby to have retards from this board running around ruining it for everyone. I dont need to be informed of the ins and outs of your hobby to hate people like this either>>2767632>Almost everybody will agree that digging for artifacts and fossils is unethicalis that why you made a post telling someone asking about digging for artifacts that the rules cant be enforced? >>2767452>>2767535 clearly not very ethical. >You trying to focus the discussion on thisthat would be you actually in a transparent effort to bolster your position, read my post again, I was pretty clear that I also find taking these things from the wilderness distasteful even if there are no (unenforced) laws about it in any case.>an objectively good thing for preservationmost university anthropology labs in the US have a backlog of specimens that would take several centuries of continuous graduate work to process, dont flatter yourself too much.>hunters at least game hunters are required to sit in a classroom and learn what is ethical and what isnt to take (renewable) things from the wild, something that cant be said about you or your bookshelf full of things that cant be replaced and only you can appreciate>Bleachyour attitude just reinforces my view that many people like you are arrogant and careless.
>>2767794> somehow I doubt the vast majority of you treasure hunters are informedYou think this because you have fully displayed in this thread that you are uneducated, and like many stupid people you think everybody else in the world is as stupid as you are.> telling someone asking about digging for artifacts that the rules cant be enforcedNever said that> I was pretty clear that I also find taking these things from the wilderness distasteful even if there are no (unenforced) laws about it in any case.Your opening point was that the thread was illegal, because youre one of the morons who thought collecting fossils is flat out illegal. But youre not the man you were 5 minutes ago anymore I guess?> most university anthropology labs in the US have a backlog of specimens that would take several centuries of continuous graduate work to processAnd yet they still go out and collect tons of shit every season. Know why? Because they are letting the backlog of prep work grow as it can always be done in the future. But fossils that are exposed to the elements are being damaged by the sun and every rain. And they are non renewable resources. This is why any retard who says “leave it for the next hiker to see” doesnt have a fucking clue what they are talking about. When I make a decision not to collect something like in picrel, I know that it will be gone forever from the earth next time I am there, due to the freeze dry cycle.Do you know where the vast majority of artifact collections in north america come from? Farmers fields. Do you know what would happen to these artifacts if they werent collected? Quickly destroyed by the next plow.For the record I agree that OP should put something about fossil collecting ethics and legalities in the general. Not because I think it will teach anybody who goes out and looks for fossils anything they dont already know, but because it might dissuade morons like you from spewing your ignorance on the matter.
>>2767794Also, I told you to drink bleach because I thoroughly believe that the planet has surpassed its saturation threshold of people who know nothing about a topic who are still passionately try to spread their ignorance to others. There are so many others who will pick up the torch for you.
>>2767806>ad hominempathetic, and way to completely ignore putting ethics in the generals resource links>because I was speaking obtusely means I didnt tell that guy he can do whatever as he wont get caughtsure go ahead and outright deny the linked posts>>2767452>>2767535>ad hominem again, while continuing to ignore moral issues outside of black letter law that no one pays attention to because it suites your strawmanmy first post was an argument starter, and it worked, you are trying to frame me as stupid to avoid facing criticism over your gay little hobby>call other people retards while using freeze-thaw as an excuse for lootingnot only is it laughable that you think something will just disappear right after you see it after laying on the ground for centuries or millennia, you are totally uniformed about anth lab work, go figure. universities dont have the space or resources to catalog everything and as a rule refuse specimens outside of unusually notable or lab obtained items. you thankfully havent done your treasure hunting outside of your neck of the woods either or else you would know all over the southwest people put artifacts like arrowheads and pottery shards on rocks instead of the ground (and instead of pocketing them), according to you these little open air exhibitions would dematerialize into ash with the passing of the seasons lol. >farmerslol dude there are archaeology laws for any cultivated or excavated land, this isnt some kind of service by treasure hunters, and is also completely different than looting for your bookshelf>you are right because you are a moron and also I am an antinatalistyou are an antihuman self righteous embodiment of dunning-kruger. blow it out your ass scumbag
>>2769040> my first post was an argument starter, and it workedNope, youre just a run of the mill retard employing the typical strategy of gradually adjusting your position as people correct you on things youre wrong about until eventually you land on something that (In your uneducated mind) is somewhat defensible. In actuality of course, it isnt. Then you pretend that was your position all along.
every single /out/ devolves into flame wars between people enjoying nature and people who can quote our code of federal regulations. every single thread, they all just devolve into what we can and cant do, and no one is lawyer or has ever been arrested for anything related to /out/, making it a fictional story when the chips are down.cool things found outside are neato.
>>2769040Telling retarded people to kill themselves isnt antinatalism. Its suggestive eugenics that improves the gene pool and is good for the environment.
>>2769197/out/ists vs /in/cels, the tale as old as the board itself
>>2769210It's at the point where literally every single poster here should just say they are from some random bullshit island/country that has no laws and zero online presence. for all anyone knows, i am now a fiji native. i can pick up anything i feel like since my tribe has owned this mountain range for a couple hundred years. in fact, i might find some stuff my grandpappy misplaced.bam, zero laws to quote for anonymous guys on the interwebz. i can pick up anything that fancies me. now i can post pictures of fuckin rocks without people gettin knickers twisted lmao
>>2769216Nobody is even quoting any laws that are being broken here, its just one guy screeching like a retard
>>2769192nah, you have demonstrated far more ignorance than I have, as indicated by your total unfamiliarity with academic archaeology and the location with the most artifacts in the US, meanwhile I actually have done work in an anth lab and spent lots of time in the southwest. you are condoning digging for artifacts and trying to use preservation as a cloak for treasure hunting. your dusty collection will just be thrown out when you die, having only benefitted yourself and no one else, but you are too dumb and selfish to realize it like most of your "community">>2769204yeah you are definitely an inhuman freak edge-posting things you would never say in polite company
>>2769210I spend more time outside than most people here only I dont pocket anything that will always be better appreciated in situ amazing how hard it is for some of you to understand that LNT applies to more than just littering
>>2769376>that will always be better appreciated in situand then everyone clapped. do you want a gold star for being a really really good boy
>>2769371> you are condoning digging for artifactsNobody said this, retard
>>2769376Yeah its almost like finding an arrowhead beneath an overhang is completely different from finding one in a farmers field>ive done work in an anth labThat explains the stupidity of what youve said this far. Enjoy being poor your entire life!
>>2769376>leave no trace to farmers fields and creekbedsKill yourself brotherman, its time
>>2769386I should get a gold star for bumping your otherwise dead thread off page 10 multiple times >>2769388>Q: Am I not aloud to dig on my own property?>R1: Yes, almost everywhere allows this>R2: You can do whatever you want>>2769389>treasure hunter only values financial gain $$$you are all the same, honestly>>2769390how many people here are sourcing from farmers fields you disingenuous cretin? LNT applies to public land and the wilderness in general. its a shame the natives were cleared from the continent because your guts would look great wrapped around a tree
>>2769407>anthropology major has nothing better to do than spread his stupidity on an online forum where everybody disagrees with himShocking stuff! Also, telling people they are allowed to dig on their land is not the same thing as saying that its ethical to dig for artifacts. You may be too retarded to realize this, but hopefully you will understand.> how many people here are sourcing from farmers fields As stated before, the vast majority of artifact collections in NA are sourced from farmers fields and streams.
>>2769407>its a shame the natives were cleared from the continentLmfao you fucking faggot
>>2769414>telling people they are allowed to dig on their land is not the same thing as saying that its ethical to dig for artifactsthat is my point entirely, he asked about the law and this thread told him not to worry about it, so in addition to the dearth of ethical conduct being shown here I am supposed to take it for granted that every artifact hunter is a scion of morality, somehow. >anthropology major bioinformatics actually. I probably make more money than you, not that it matters. I must have really pissed you off shiiting on your indefensible hobby with all the calls for suicide and attacking peoples poverty ITT>farmers fields and streamsand one of these things is not like the other. none of you are asking farmers in your area to troll their fields looking for loot>>2769424t. useful idiot celebrating making a vast wilderness safe for commerce so it can all be turned into urban sprawlwish the red man were more capable but here you are picking through their ruins for fun or worse
>>2769427>and one of these things is not like the other. none of you are asking farmers in your area to troll their fields looking for lootIts impressive how oblivious you are. I and many other people do exactly this. I regularly talk to farmers and landowners to get permission to go on their fields or land. Look up arrowhead hunting videos on youtube. Its people walking fields and creeks.Im an electrical engineer developing software in GNSS, I can assure you I make more money than you.
>>2769436yeah im sure the NEET losers on this board are regularly striking up conversations with property owners>I make more money than youand yet you are still an insecure faggot telling people to kill themselves on an anonymous imageboard. just like your bookshelf trinkets you cant take your money with you when youre dead, although its obvious you dont give a shit about the legacy of your actions or posterity in general
>>2769427>if only the continent could go back to tribal peoples raping and pillaging their neighbours and taking them as slaves! Le noble savage
>>2769441>peoples raping and pillaging their neighbours and taking them as slaves!you mean europe?
>>2769455Nowhere in europe or north america is this happening. If civilized people never found the new world though, it would still be happening here. On an enormous scale. Natives just encountered people who were better at conquering than they were.
>>2769523>Nowhere in europe or north america is this happening
>>2769550Let me know where I can go pick up my slave. I can tell you have a very strong argument since you didnt bother to give an example.
>>2769615unless you are a self-mad-man (which you arent) then you are just as much a wagie in a cagie slave as the rest of us. peasant
Going on holiday in France soon to hunt for fossils, both along the coast and somewhere around the south east. Anybody here with some superior tips?
>>2769621paleobiodb.org/navigatorDo your research beforehand and have backup spots to go to if something doesnt work out
>>2769617Yep, working a comfy wfh job with 10 hours of “labour” a week is basically being a peasant toiling the fields. You sound very intelligent and mature.
>>276961799% of people piss away their money on bullshit and status symbols.I can and do live on 1/10th your annual expenses.Even when I was making 100k a year I still drove a 5 speed manual and lived in a tiny ass house and was amazed at how much money my "peers" spent on utter stupid shit Your problem is your dumb and will make all sorts of excuses when the reality is you live according to how society tells you to live and don't have any real agency.
>>2767112Any good fossil sites in Virginia/West Virginia?
>>2770245Thank you for having an on-topic question anon. I live in Texas, so I don't have any spots for fossil hunting there but take a look at this map and then look for the maps by county that you want to look in, Limestones Chalks and Shales are where you want to look for fossils anon. https://geology.blogs.wm.edu/maps/ hopefully this map is a good start for you. as for the fine "intellectual" shitting up my thread I'd ask that we all just not engage in an argument with them as they have proven that they have a sub 80 IQ and has no idea what the true laws are on these matters, to help prevent retards like this ill post the laws form the USA on these regards, despite the fact that I feel most of us are all not total retards. Fossils and Artifacts have an extremely short lifetime when finally exposed to the surface, when we, amateurs and professionals, collect them we become Curators of Earths and Human history. It should also be noted that many major scientific discoveries were made by people like me and Canada anon. If was too scared to patrol and search active construction sights (completely legal) the majority of my collection would be lost to time and history Including this rare 3D fish skull. My former professor and in conjunction college have a portion of my finds as that is what we should all do. Quit your bitching and lets just enjoy the hobby please. partial Icthyodecdid Skull Upper Britton fm, Eagle Ford Group, Denton Co, Texas - Fossil Anon
Albertosaurus tooth from the lower horseshoe canyon formation I found yesterday. There are a lot of teeth in this area but most are fractured long before they are ever exposed to the surface. Almost everything is on the edge of a cliff out there, so the sun, rain, gravity, and the hoof of a moose are all racing to destroy specimens first. These things do not last for “centuries and millennia” on the surface. There is no “leaving it for the next guy”. The most ethical thing to do it so take a gps tagged in situ photo, and learn the process of how to consolidate and safely extract fossils. It is very, very different from finding an arrowhead under an overhang (which is a scenario where something genuinely could last thousands of years on the surface).In my experience dealing with professional archaeologists and paleontologists, there ate pragmatists who are helping the field, and idealists who are actively harming it. The idealists who think that nobody except somebody with a PhD should be able to collect a fossil end up being the people who never have anything reported to them, and inevitably cause amateurs to hoard more finds. They are simply shooting themselves in the foot. On the other hand, there are pragmatists who view amateur collectors as a resource to be utilized, and they build rapport with amateurs. I have one strong contact who is one of the most important people at one of the most important paleo museums in the world, and he is one of these pragmatists.
Reorganizing the collection today, these are all my horseshoe canyon teeth. I didnt realize it until I started sorting them, but I have very few raptor teeth from this formation compared to the other formations in my area. For some reason its mostly tyrannosaur.
>>2770927holy fuckThat's a lot of teeth
Bump to keep the thread alive until my hunt next weekend. I found this ceratopsian horn core a week ago, but did not collect it as it was broken.
>>2770927Nice Tooth collection anon, when does the field season end for you? >>2773616I would assume that most material is in a broken state where you collect? Here is a small, unknown to me, gastropod with decent preservation in a concretion, Upper Britton Fm, Eagle Ford group, Denton Co. Tx - Fossil Anon
>>2771177yeah good thing hes collecting so many so no one else can
>>2770522I'm a theropod paleontologist, I've been watching your posts for over a year now. I talked with you some when you first started posting here. I realize the stuff you collect is going to turn to dust if you or someone doesn't pick it up. It has very little scientific value at this time aside from producing censuses and size ranges for the faunas. What you're doing doesn't bother me in the least. Your knowledge of your material and sites is deeper than most people have and that's cool. It would be fun if you did some science, be it size charts or censuses or comparisons of denticle size and shapes, or studies of pathologies. But I'm not sure that the information gleaned would be new or particularly valuable. Most of what you post is very cool, but not remarkable from a science standpoint from what I see.
>>2775093dinosaur teeth aren't particularly rare. Theropods regularly lost teeth when eating, and teeth are more likely to fossilize than other body parts. Also each animal had dozens of them. Depends on location, but dinosaur teeth are extremely common compared to other body fossils.
>>2775093also of course, as mentionedIf he didn't pick those up they'd be destroyed in a winter or two. Once a tooth or bone is exposed at the surface it usually starts to crumble really fast.he's not preventing other people from finding that stuff, it wouldn't last long enough for anyone to find it most likely.
>>2775105Im glad to see there are some knowledgeable people browsing these threads. I remember there used to be a couple paleontologists who would comment on stuff here. The areas I tend to hunt usually do not have a ton of significant specimens for most of the species known to be in the area, and 80% of what I collect is as you said: unremarkable theropod teeth. I like these spots though, because when I do find something significant, its actually something the museum will be excited to collect. Picrel is an anodontosaurus osteoderm.
>>2775109Do you not know what a fossil is? How can you claim something millions of years old can be destroyed in a season or two? You are acting lol most fossils are being tilled up instead of just sitting in the ground
>>2775109>he's not preventing other people from finding that stuff,hes preventing all the local residents of horeshoe canyon from the opportunity to collect some fossils too. stop being selfish and learn to share its a kindergarten level sill
>>2775184>>2775189I see you've never hunted fossils in bentonitic siltstone badlands.
>>2775189>all the local residents of horeshoe canyonkekyou have to be 18 to post here kid
>>2775189Horseshoe canyon FORMATION is a stratigraphic layer. Its not a a place, you fuckin retard.>>2775184It survives millions of years in the ground, and gets destroyed in a year or two after being exposed to the surface. This is not hard to understand. Picrel is a tyrannosaurid tooth in a washout from the rain we got on thursday.
>>2775213And is that where the majority of fossil hunting takes place?>>2775319>destroyed in a year or two after being exposed to the surfaceI would love a source for this
>>2775321My source is going outside and actually seeing it happen, rather than being a faggot who speculates about things he knows nothing about on an online anime forum.>>2770927Note how literally every single tooth here that is over an inch and a half long is broken in multiple areas. Nearly all dinosaur fossils are fractured long before they ever get exposed to the surface by erosion. Once a bit of it is exposed, water will penetrate the fossil and the fossil ends up scattered along the cliff, as shown in multiple images in this thread. Of course anybody who has ever actually gone to dinosaur bearing strata would know this, but curiously you dont.
>No citation for the keystone of his argument for how he HAS to pick up every artifact he comes acrossYeah I am sure those millennia old rocks turn into dust in a year or two lmao
>>2775319>retard
>>2775353Lmao these nerds mistook a stratigraphic layer for the locale it's named after? Autists are the same everywhere
>>2775353Horseshoe canyon formation is not referring to the location dummy. Not a single thing posted in this thread is from horseshoe canyon. There are many things in this thread that are from the formation though. You think they are the same thing though, because you are a moron.
>>2775346Artifacts in a farmers field will likely be destroyed by a plow in a year or two, correct. Of course you would know this if you ever actually went outdoors and knew anything about the activity.
>>2775353Whoa, where are all the houses? Where are the residents of the horseshoe canyon?
>>2775379>>2775407>>2775409look at these happy residents of horseshoe canyon which you selfish people are stealing the opportunity to discover dinosaur teeth from
>>2775410>thinks hiking in an area makes you a resident>still thinks that horseshoe canyon formation = horseshoe canyonTrolling or retarded
>>2767112Dinosaur footprint, probably. Found far away from any trails or roads in Southern Utah.
>>2767112>>2775418Petrified wood. Also found nearby. Found one arrowhead and a couple pottery shards out there too but I didn't take pictures. Small pieces of chert that look like they were chipped off during the arrowhead making process are fucking everywhere too, often in concentrated areas.
Best tyrannosaurid teeth from yesterday after consolidating. Also found a small shard of a rex tooth. The exposures we have up here containing rex are a lot less fossiliferous than those in the states.
>>2775408Ah so you've abandoned freeze-thaw as a retarded justification for your looting and are now hiding behind looking through the same 12 inches of dirt that's been tilled thousands of times. Post a citation or be forever BTFO'd
>>2775418Sorry. That's actually a print of your father's misshapen dong.
>>2775409>>2775410who said anything about residents retard. where are the residents of the rivers this board like to joke about shitting in? if its the wilderness you can do whatever you want right? like take things that cant be replaced?
>>2775758Freeze thaw is what destroys fossils, it really doesnt do damage to artifacts. Im surprised this needed to be explained.
>>2775769im pretty sure theres a decent amount of people who actually live there (picrel) so you should at least share with them rather than taking it all for yourself
>>2775783Stone artifacts, yes. Organic artifacts get destroyed by freeze thaw among other things.>people still talking about horseshoe canyonThis is the equivalent of thinking that seeing a canada goose means you are in canada
>>2775791>you should at least share with them rather than taking it all for yourselfI would estimate that 75% of the teeth I find are already so damaged that I dont even bother collecting them. Some days its like 90% if it hasnt rained in a while. The vast majority of dinosaur fossils arent being collected. Nobody is “taking it all”. New stuff is coming out of the rills all the time, and a small percentage of it gets collected before it becomes too fragmented.
Thoughts on the mudfossil threads on /x/?
>>2775794ahem...horseshoe canyon is in AMERICA not canada
>>2775797youre taking away fossils that could be decomposed into oil eventually. you are literally stealing future gasoline from our children. how can you sleep at night?!
>>2775806Standard pareidolia, signs of either schizophrenia or low IQPicrel is a naturally forming septarian pattern. Not man made.
>>2775420Here is a piece of petrified wood of a 50 million yr old redwood tree found a 1000 miles from CA/OR coast
>>2775928how is that naturally forming?
>>2776013>there is something completely natural called "counter-septaria cracking" that can form during desiccation at the contact between a thin layer of precipitate and the host rock it's attached to, creating a spiral cracking pattern appearing very much like a nautilus shell.
>>2776013Fibonacci
>>2775797You are making laughable assumptions about the rate of soil turnover
>>2776029
>>2776033Theres no assumptions to be made. Its just what you see when you go outside. I go back to the same spots over and over again and collect new stuff every time. The same as people who collect fossils on beaches. Picrel is not a cave, but an underground water drainage from the spot I was at last weekend just below the badlands where I find fossils. These things are forming and falling apart and reforming regularly.
>>2776039Not regular enough where mineral deposits decay in 1-2 seasons. You are talking out of you ass and clearly don't know as much as you think you do.
>>2776049Its been explained multiple times by multiple people already, including by a paleontologist. If you cant figure it out, thats on you. I will continue going back to spots that I visit every few months and collect new things that are freshly exposed and already broken, and you will proceed to cry about it in the replies, because that is what your life has amounted to.
>>2776052And your life has amounted to you cloaking your looting of historical artifacts in the pretentious veil of scientific rigor. Blow it out your ass
>>2775928Its insane to think that things like this exist on planets that have no life on them. Imagine the shitstorm if something like that was found on mars and scientists had to convince the masses that it is natural.
I found these shark teeth on a trip to Venice beach, Florida last week.
>>2776064baste
>>27760641. If he doesn't "loot" them they'll be destroyed in a matter of months2. He's not stopping anyone else from going out and taking them first3. Nobody wants them.4. There are plenty more where those came fromI'm sure you're just trolling but I want some more of your time and attention so get your retarded ass back in the thread you hate.
>>2776681Also note that as shown in the pictures in this thread, they are already “destroyed” when first discovered. It just takes one decent rainfall to scatter the pieces along the cliffside.
>>2776686A lot of clueless people hear that fossils are rocks and assume they have all the characteristics and structural integrity of the average rock, which is obviously not true.
>>2776686>>2776687Yes, they're under extreme pressure underground so when they're exposed at the surface they often shatter.Dinosaur teeth are NORMALLY found shattered into pieces. We glue them back together again.
>>2776688youre literally stealing teeth from dinosaurs that could use them to eat food and instead youre just displaying them on a shelf. its unconscionable
Uhh, archaeologysisters…?? Did we just lose?
>>2776681>Nobody wants them.I agree man theres all this free shit in the woods no one wants so I just take it
>>2770927so is stealing the 100th example as satisfying as the first?
>>2777178Honestly I dont even feel the dopamine hit until a few hours later when I post the pics of what I find on this thread and somebody starts crying in the replies about how they cant find any because I took them all
>>2776681>He's not stopping anyone else from going out and taking them first This exact attitude is what led to the destruction of aboriginal wilderness all over the world until modernist idea of conservation took root in the American elite.
>>2777298Hmm its almost like #1 on his list completely invalidates your argument?
>>2777348You still have not provided any evidence that potshards, arrowheads, fossils or other artifacts are "destroyed" by mere months of weathering, all the while ruins that are thousands of years old and are still standing and intact (before they are looted) completely refute this idea
>>2777456>You still have not provided any evidence that potshards, arrowheads, fossils or other artifacts are "destroyed" by mere months of weatheringare you fucking stupid?we're talking specifically about dinosaur teeth preserved in bentonitic mudstones and siltstones.go be a fucking retard somewhere else.
>>2775105I hope you appreciate how you lifting OPs balls like this probably made his week, very kind of you as he is desperate to cloak himself in any kind of legitimacy for his hoarding behavior>>2777504Read the fucking dead thread retard. You doing context denial and trying to maneuver into a less assailable position by focusing on one type of artifact in one kind of stratigraphic layer doesn't dismiss the critiques that have been levied at your gay hobby on the whole. Pretending that only dino teeth are being discussed here during this multi-week argument is incredibly disingenuous
>>2777520show me the posts claiming arrowheads or pottery break up in months.because EVERY SINGLE POST claiming fossils break up in weeks or months was about dinosaur teeth in mudstone badlands. you fucking idiot
>>2777537BasedAlso check out this wicked tyrannosaurid tooth i found in the dinosaur park formation today (for my cognitively stunted anons, this does not mean it was found in dinosaur provincial park). Im very thankful that the last guy who saw it left it in place, so I was able to bask in its glory and leave it for my grandchildren to see some day.
>>2777592I'd probably glue that back together because it's still worth a couple hundred US even in that condition.Might just sell it as a batch of tiny shards for the customer to assemble. It would probably be worth even more like that. A build-your-own tyrannosaurid tooth 80 piece puzzle
>>2777691Yeah we cant sell vertebrate fossils here though. Different laws.I also found this yesterday at night just walking around with a flashlight. Ornithomimus (?) hand claw and phalanx. One of the only things Ive ever collected that is almost certainly associated.
>>2777699>Yeah we cant sell vertebrate fossils here though. Different laws.which is why they cost so much in burgerland I think. If you could sell them the price would go way down.nice distal phalangesthe dinosaur's, not yoursyours aren't bad or anything, just not as cool as the dinosaur
>>2777727Yep I agree about the pricing. Rex teeth would probably keep the same insane price tag because we have pretty much none up here, but other tyrannosaur teeth are very common.
>>2777731what do your laws say about trading vertebrate fossils? I suppose that's not allowed either?
>>2767112Remember, the gov’t doesn’t want us to pick up anything. And in federal cases in Fl, they will jail you and ruin your life. Why, I don’t know. They have no Indian reservations in GA. Why, I don’t know. If you’ve ever been to a reservation, it’s not the paradise one might think. More like suffering and containment, with on-site feds patrolling. A bird effigy stone isn’t a projectile point, it’s a religious stone effigy. Just like the Holy Spirit is depicted with bird imagery today at many churches, it was also-pre Columbus. The called it the GreatSpirit. This is how they successfully converted so many to a warped blood soaked Christianity. “False teachers or profits” Spanish devils, killing in the name of…. The offer you can’t refuse - Join us or perish. Probably replicas, but I can assure you Georgia is loaded with bird effigy stones, from savannah to north GA. Georgia has the biggest and oldest bird bounds, no one can deny. The official history is the Rock Eagle mound is a mystery. Such lies, when you slaughter the shawmen, the holy music shakers and the priest class and chief, there is no mystery. It’s genocidal land reset, as in the Old Testament. God tells us that there is nothing new under the sun. Same tricks today, same divide and conquer tactics. Gotta pay Caesar and keep running the race. - love everyone
>>2778475Took the words right out of my mouth
>>2767130Glacial Till will just be the quaternary cover. Find a road cut or a stream bed with steep banks (after a heavy rain) and look for stuff down section. Limestones and shales are good for fossils. Sandstone it's possible but less likely. Just look around in the talus of a steep road cut then check the walls. Also glacial till can have cool fossils but you're way better off looking in the alluvium since that's where they will concentrate.>>2767132Digging a vertical hole is probably the worst way to go about fossil or artifact collecting. Trenching is better but not by a bunch. It only really makes sense to turn over earth if you have some reason to think there is something there, just random holes is not going to work. And in unconsolidated Qt seds like, maybe an arrowhead but zero chance of fossils.>>2767316Rad>>2767419Yeah its legal for fossils to collect on your own land anywhere. Not supposed to in NPs without a permit but as long as your not a jackass with your rock hammer than nbd. >>2767710I wouldn't say digging on your own land is unethical, it's just about the least efficient possible way of collecting, as I think you said earlier >>2775319Rad>>2775407Don't waste your time this dude is trolling you>>2775213It's wild how little we really understand bentonites imo. Especially since so much of the ICS absolute age dates are based on zircons from them, but then you try to follow a bed and it's gone in a mile. Or take cores 4 miles apart and one has 60 bents and the other has 159.>t. PhD geologist
>>2778998>you try to follow a bed and it's gone in a mile.The ones I look at are pretty well intergraded with other sediments. Probably also sorted by aeolian and lacustrine process, occasionally fluvial. I don't find them very interesting, aside from being easy to dig through and a particularly rich source of fossils for screen washing. Also interestingly enough, when I find dinosaur bone that hasn't been altered by mineralization, it's almost always in bentonite. This makes me wonder about the age of some of the other organic crap I find buried in the clay.
>>2778998>t. PhD geologistme too, but vert paleo. Graduated Mines 1991 and did my postgrad with Grandin for the anatomy and zoo parts. Interned at MWC with Foster and worked at DMNS under Carpenter and Johnson. I now work in mining, but my schooling was dinosaurs of the Morrison Formation. I've worked with a few big names in dinosaurs, old school fools like Horner, Paul, and Chatterjee. I don't really collect fossils personally, but my family and friends buy me fossils sometimes as gifts. Picrelate is my fossil shelf. I also have a decent Green River Formation collection of insects and fish. Just the sorts of stuff that a rando might dig off the road cuts on Douglass Pass.
>>2779250a project I worked on
>>2779251and anotherthe wise geologist will see a pattern hereMadsen and Stokes
>>2779250>>2779251>>2779252cool beans
>>2779253I love dinosaurs but the money is in metals and energy. Academia is a slog. Mining is where millionaires are made.
>>2779251That Meckelian Groove thoand TL:SL ratio is badassniche partitioning on an upland theropod for sure.It's exciting stuff for the anatomy nerds
>>2779256dorsolateral declination of the paroccipital processes of the exoccipital-opisthoticgood evidence of a strong downward jerk of the rostrum. A ripping anatomy. Like the peg-type D-shaped heterodonty of the premaxillary teeth. A trait common to Allosaurs and Tyrannosaurs in dentition if not occiput.
>>2779257nipping and ripping
>>2779259Bakker's hypothesis modified
>>2779261Angels wings but those wings tell a story of how that bitch ate. Along with bifurcation of the basitubera, we have a full story of how this skull moved. The strongest pull was down.
>>2779263UUVP 5961 is famous for the preservation of the stapesAn ear bone in mammals. Key to hearing in dinosaurs, but possibly a guide for the hypoglossal nerve as well.The nerve that controls the tongue. A particularly well-developed organ in modern theropods
>>2779264The stapedial groove is a common ornament on the paroccipital process of theropods, but the stapes itself is rare. It's thin, like a needle. Rarely preserved. I've only seen it once and that was on UUVP 5961
>>2779265Of course none of this means anything to my leaf friend who collects A. sarcophagus or maybe D. torosus teeth, but where there's teeth there's often skulls.and maybe one day he'll see the angel wings himself.
>>2779269>where there's teeth there's often skulls.9 times out of 10 tyrannosaur teeth are shedsbroke off while feedingbut that 10% comes with an associated skull. And if you pick up 100 teeth you missed 10 skulls.keep an eye outwhere there's teeth there may well be skulls.
>>2779272what's a tyrannosaurid skull worth?in the US it's worth a few million dollarsin the rest of the world it's worth your name on a hill or a species.
>>2779273in 12 years as a professional paleontologist I never had anything named after me and I never made a million dollars.But then I didn't have the entire Horseshoe Canyon Formation to legally search.
>>2779250you should dust your shelf
>>2779351ok
Here is a bone found at one of my sights, the same that almost all my ammonite come form, that was I.D.ed as a possible Bird Bone, they were around in the Lower/Middle Turonian but would be supper rare, I'm not even sure that one has been found in the surrounding layers. Britton Fm. Eagle Ford group, Denton Co. Texas - Fossil Anon
>>2775073also, I have a possible id on this gastropod, Epitonium Bicarinifera.>>2779250Glad to have another knowledgeable individual in this gen!>>2777699Insane find Canada anon!
>>2779274just stopping by to remind everyone that taking all the fossils from horseshoe canyon is unethical because it prevents the residents of the area from the opportunity to collect some for themselves too
>>2779482Wicked findI found this ceratopsian skull last year and reported it to the big museum around here, but they never collected it. I went back to it the other day and a lot more of it has been exposed now, and its clear that there may be the whole face and jaws in the hill. The bottom part is the frill that has likely completely been destroyed by erosion.Unfortunately the people who own the land arent letting the museum excavate it, so this skull will turn to dust. There are very few ceratopsian skulls known from this area, it is likely one of only a few, or possibly a new species.
>>2779511This is what I think may be happening with this skull. You can see a large knob on the upper right that is possibly the brow, and the bottom is definitely frill. The red stuff I highlighted is whats exposed, and the blue is what has eroded away.
>>2779511Nigga thats a rock
>>2775928>>2776017I'm big on mimetoliths and take delight in slapping people on on /x/ around but I would 100% have probably thought that was a fossil or artifact if I found it. That's even weirder than cone in cone structures.
>>2779738When it was first posted on the fossil forum, it had a lot of very knowledgeable people saying it was definitely manmade. Its my go-to example of showing why “looks like” is such a poor heuristic for determining what something is.
Champsosaurus rib from this weekend
Nice find! Sounds cool.
back with another pic from my backlog this time is a scapanorhychus raphiodon tooth still in the matrix, I did get this one out but thinks to the lithostatic pressure it was cracked, and the root fell apart. Eagle Ford-Austin Chalk contact zone Denton Co. Texas - Fossil Anon
This is a sp. from a good bit back, Mid-sized Sciponoceras gracile From the Upper Britton formation, Eagle Ford group, Cenomanian Age, Denton Co. Texas - Fossil Anon
Albertosaurus tooth from yesterday. Also found my first albertosaurus claw, will post it when its cleaned up. Its beat up but still pretty impressive.
Pendle country in Lancashire, UK, is amazing for Crynoid fossils. I gave up collecting them years back, I have too many. Find any hill where the rock is visible and the ground will be littered with millions of fossilised crynoids. Shit, they are even in the old stone walls.
>>2785358stop taking all the teeth from alberta, theres going to be none left for the rest of the people who live there. first it was horseshoe canyon, now the entirety of alberta, whats next the whole of canada?! such greed
>>2785358My albertosaurus claw. I have probably found 1000 of their teeth, but this is the first claw.
>>2767112Anons, I'm totally new to this, I live in this areahttps://zoom.earth/maps/satellite/#view=-17.965498,-70.598779,10z (and I'll be living on the coast next to a river for a few months soon), how can I get started in the world of fossil hunting?Please give me all the relevant information you have, videos etc etc.
>>2785810Not from SA so I'm not sure if I'll be of any help anon but I'd look for a Geologic map of the area, looks like a lot of sandstone in your area so there's a possibility for fossils though again I don't know the area so do some research, but good luck to you anon. another tip is to pick up anything that catches your eye, it could always be nothing but it's better to pick it up and it be a normal rock than to not pick it up and it be something cool like a fossil or artifact. also, along the lines of artifacts, if you do find any, take note of where it is with gps cords as I'm sure that it's probably illegal in Peru, if any artifacts are found report them to a museum or University. Good hunting anon I took a drive north to just west of Waco and did some Hunting in what the Duck Creek Fm. might be, but I am unsure, but I did find this nice ammonite that looks to be whole, I just need to prep it out of the matrix - Fossil Anon
>>2767112this is not really a fossil, but it is some nice local oolithic iron ore deposited in the eocene epoch.
>>2790355it's fund in clay bodies near where i live, i find it in tailings piles of old workings as digging down to ore pockets deep in the clay is too much work.
>>2790356i want to run a bloomery smelter next summer, and i could just buy a bag or two of magnetite sand and be done with it, but I wanted to use the local ore just because.
>>2790357I wash the ore beans at home and dry em, at some point i'll have to roast them. I put a gas torch to some of the beans and when they glow red and cool down again they become magnetic.
At first I thought this was a jaw. But now I'm thinking it's just mud. Any ideas?
I went hunting for iron ore again today and spent a little more time searching for a good spot, found this huge uprooted tree and it was perfect, the roots took out so much earth and clay that it made a huge wall.
>>2791637fat ore beans just sticking out of the wall face. much easier to work standing up plus the rains did a nice job at the foot of the tree there was many beans already washed out of the wall and just needed picking up.
some badly washed ore with some clean ore in the plate and on the left there a crucible with some ore beans which i glowed with a blow torch, they are now nicely magnetic.
>>2790359thats incredibly awesome. what do you do with the ore? just look at it and admire it? or melt it down somehow to make things?
>>2791753>>2790357
>>2791797so you make the bloom and then what? display it on your shelf?
>>2791819i'm currently collecting ore, not making blooms, so i haven't really thought about it. maybe i forge a spoon.
>>2791879based opiate addict
