Hull speed edition
>>2751529theres something about small clinker style double enders that makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck. it must be some long lost western euro genetic memory or something
>>2751529Dinghy sailing best sailing
>>2751545look at how cool and simple this is>>2751548agreed but not racing just taking it easy
how do i get sailing friends? do i just go to a local sailing club and see if anyone is willing to take me with them? i have very little experience sailing though
>>2751993personally i feel sailing with other people is exhausting. i specifically got a boat to get away from humanity
I'm in the market for a powered boat around the 50k mark that can be used for fishing at sea. I live around the San juans. Any pointers?
>>2751993>do i just go to a local sailing club and see if anyone is willing to take me with them?That's a good way, most sailing/yacht clubs have crew or social memberships. A good way to get on a racing boat is to go to a social event at a yacht club. If you don't want to be a member, you can still ask if there's a crew registry that you can join and you might get a call.>i have very little experienceUsually not a problem for club racing, but of course experience helps. You can do a bit of homework to help your case. Most skippers are very non-committal until they can get a sense of you. i.e. - Do you know which way to wrap a winch? - How much coaching do you need on trim? - Can you anticipate what needs to be done? - Do you know the racing rules of sailing (e.g. right of way, start signals, etc).
>>2751548It's a lot of fun, for sure.
This is the bow on the 1970s 20 ft sailboat I bought and I'm new to all of this. Where's the line supposed to go when I lower my anchor? And do I want to install an anchor roller if my anchor weighs 9kg/20lbs and the line is 10m/30ft chain and the rest rope? Do I even need to use a bridle if everything past 30ft is nylon rope? And what about anchor lockers, should I go through the trouble of adding a hole through the deck to be able to feed the rode into my anchor locker, add a fiberglass floor and an internal watertight hatch for it and a thru-hull above the waterline for drainage? I'm planning to do long distance cruising if it matters. Is it worth the hassle in my case? Seems like it would be awful easy to just lash the anchor to the railing and keep it connected to the rode and stuff that in a bag on the bow railing unless I'm offshore at which point I'd just keep everything inside the boat.Tried to google and youtube this but everyone's just talking about their winches and anchor rollers.
>>2753593How did the previous owner anchor? Did you ask them? I'd say you probably want to anchor on the centerline, so you should have a system to distribute the load from the rode to some kind of bridle: a sling or line that goes through both fairleads and then to the cleat. You'd probably need anti-chafe on however you're attaching the rode to the bridle. Also it's wild that you only have one cleat there. Also it's wild that you have no windlass, no spurling pipe etc. Letting out and pulling in chain by hand and lifting the chain out of the forepeak by hand sounds like a nightmare, and you will not want the chain and rode on the deck fouling the jib, lines and risking losing your ground tackle altogether.>I'm planning to do long distance cruising if it mattersIf I were you, I would install two bow cleats, a bow roller, a hand windlass and spurling pipe to a chain locker in the forepeak.
>>2753593>>2754054You know what, maybe I'm full of shit, for a small boat like that it is probably better to just hand bomb it, but if you're cruising make sure you oversize your anchor and chain, and I would recommend a bridle to allow you to anchor along the centerline. Don't use the bow pulpit for anchoring. The only concern would be if that one cleat can take the stress in swell and winds. Everything else is just for convenience. Try it out and see how it works for you.
>>2751529Idk where else to ask this and /out/ was my last hope and this thread is probably the most appropriate.I used to make monkeys fists when I was a kid and I would use the ball out of those old 90s computer mice. The weight and size of them was perfect to me, it made for a perfect monkeys fist.I got some rope and paradors and I want to make some more but I can no longer find those mice with the balls and idk what the size even was. Does anyone have any idea at all what a decent alternative would be other than steel ball bearings? I want it heavy.
>>2754582you can probably still find ball mice at electronics recyclers. hell i get them back every now and then in the return bin at my office (i work in IT)
>>2754054>>2754067Thanks for the tips. I probably want to go all stainless chain, double cleats on the sides, chain locker and bridle if I get serious about this but I'm thinking about continuing with the current setup for a while and just adding some kind of metal plate to the front of the bow like the illustration in the bottom of pic. With such a thing I could a) stop the nylon rope from chafing against the rough gelcoat at the tip of the bow and b) have a way of keeping the line from side loading the bow pulpit. And in the future I could weld a roller to the top of the plate and also just add a spurling pipe maybe like pic. You can also see the bottom of the forestay and the cleat. Do people usually add some kind of reinforcement like a metal plate under the cleat?
>>2754599>metal plate to the front of the bow like the illustrationYea, this is a good idea.>Do people usually add some kind of reinforcement like a metal plate under the cleatYes, there should be a solid metal backing plate for something like that. If you have a cored deck, the core should be removed from around the bolt hole by more than the diameter of bolt and sealed with epoxy then re-drilled for the bolt. Everything needs to be sealed as well.
>>2753593Been decades since I sailed. I had an oDay 22, so it's probably pretty similar to whatever you have. Last thing you wanna do is start knocking holes in a boat, so forget about a locker. You'll be selling it in a few years anyway, because you'll eventually figure out what you actually want...so no point in changing anything.Anchor ties off on center cleat, feeds overboard through that split eye on either side of the bow. It doesn't run straight forward as it will chafe on the guy wire mount for the mast and sail. It's a small boat, you don't need much and you'll be anchoring in shallow water on calm sunny days. It's assumed that you'd just keep the anchor below deck, because it's a "daysailer". 50 feet of rope and a danforth anchor is all you'll probably need.
>>2754582Check you're local laws. Having something inside the monkey fist is considered an illegal weapon in more places than it should be. Otherwise just go to a hobbylobby and get wood balls.
I fucked up today, bought a Holder Dinghy & was going to take it out today 1st time by myself... didn’t take the stays down in the right order and the mast unexpectedly fell to 10 o’clock breaking the tabernacle from the boat. Do I need to redrilll 3 new holes in the fiberglass or can I just get new screws? So mad at myself
>>2754737That’s not a concern it’s for my desk decoration and autism stimulation (making & fidgeting with lmao).Wood balls aren’t heavy enough.Also not a concern where I live I can open carry here. Even though it’s not leaving my desk. Lighter weight shit just doesn’t satisfy that itch for me and I can’t keep fondling my nuts.>>2754585Can’t find anywhere man. I can’t even find steel ball bearings. I don’t feel like buying online and having to wait.
If I put a galley with a sink in my boat, can I do the plumbing like A with the sink hose straight down to the seacock and thru-hull below the waterline or should it be like B with a "vented loop"? I've read about a phenomenon called "siphoning", is that a risk here?
>>2754888(or maybe I should just have a thru-hull above the waterline? Heard it can make using the sink while under way difficult though)
>>2754879ahah eh that doesnt look like its your fault, the previous owner has let it go to shit it looks like. it reminds me of the crap used dinghys we had in sailing school where the mast fell on the first day because the forestay snapped in half after a gust
>>2754599Anon, I have a Cal 20. I race her but also take her anchoring. 30' of chain and a 20lb anchor is overkill for a 20' boat. When I go cruising I have 20' of 1/4" chain, 150' of nylon ride and 5kg Bruce and it holds great. Also just have a bow cleat like you. Your boat likely weighs under 2300lbs. It is just fine. Go anchoring for a while with your current setup. Tie your rode off on the cleat and run it through the spilt eye. If you're super concerned tie it to another cleat further after. Don't let it touch your pulpit. Keep the whole setup in a milkcrate down below where weight is better. If it's on your bow the boat will just bob more in waves.Pulling up that setup is easy. Windlass' are for 30' sailboats and over.
>>2751529let me guess, you need more
>>2754888Siphoning is a risk, especially if the sink's drain is below the waterline when the boat is heeled overThe vented loop should have the loop with vent above your maximum angle of heel. I rotated your pic 30° to illustrate.
>>2755029I had to close the sink drain seacock in my sj24 for this reason.
>>2755006Is it fixable? I could maybe move it slightly and redrill or maybe there’s some filler material to rescrew it in with?
>>2755037Everything is fixable. Do you have access to the underside? Plate the underside and thru bolt it. If it's spongy under the base now is your time to fix it. If it's not spongy and you have no access just move the screws to new holes.
>>2753593those fixations where cleats should be are fucking retarded. that's the most unintelligent thing I saw. Why would one bother drilling into the hull just to input a one-sided cleat?
>>2751529>Boat is on land for the summer due to some damages previous owner didn't let us know about>gf is sad>"I wanna sail">Refuses to rent a sailboat>Refuses to buy a small cheap sailboat that we can sail for the summer and then give away>Doesn't want to go sailing with someone on find a crew>Only want to buy a new sailboat for twice the price of our old one>Oh no wait she just wants to lay in bed and mope all daywhat do?
>>2755088I feel so sorry for you
>>2755088Bonding experience with gf to get boat shipshape with her help.>You want to sail, you're going to have to put in the sweat equity.
>>2755140Well, the boat is probably going to get fixed up by professionals since our insurance was pretty good. Still going to take until like mid September for her to be finished, at which point we both have ended our vacations and have gone back to work.We've discussed getting a fixer-upper, hauling it to her parents place (they have a farm) and working on it as a summer project. But getting the thing there seems like an issue since we don't have a car that can haul a multi ton sailboat for several hours.
>>2755148Hire a hot shot to get it done. Likely cheaper than a couple months of leasing on a dually pickup.
>>2755039thanks, ya I’m going to see what I can do about it
>>2755088sounds like you're learning a valuable life lesson about women
>>2751529Seamen? More like SEMEN Hahahaha GAAAYYYYY
>>2751529sailing is truly the great equalizer, when you are out on the water you don't see colour. we are all one - kumbaya
>>2755567oops forgot the inspirational pic to go along with that
hope you're all wearing your life jackets
>>2755567>and then the somali pirates show up
>>2755485I love this woman but I mean yeah Jesus Christ it's infuriating sometimes.>All I want is to go out sailing anon>Well this smaller sailboat is literally the price of a sailboat rental, €1000 and will give us a few weeks of sailing at least, then we can give it away.>No anon why would I want a smaller boat? That's not sailing>Besides we don't know if we're going to be able to give it away>Why can't we just rent a car for €600, travel across the country, hire an inspector for €1000, and buy a €25000 boat? Instead she's sobbing in bed.
>>2755567All boats are tiny on the ocean.
>>2755648>>No anon why would I want a smaller boat? That's not sailingIf only she knew
>>2755648Sounds like my ex fled to europe when all the men here got sick of her
>>2755594its too hot right now i actually want to capsize on purpose. but in the winter yes
>>2755649the tinier the better though (thats what she said?)
What exactly is the deal with junk rigs? They seem to illicit strong reactions either in favour or against them.
>>2755714https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOeTZzZGpBg
>>2755714easier to manage solo, so they say. also they look cool and ancient they evoke wonder and imagination about the distant past
>>2755714>What exactly is the deal with junk rigs? They seem to illicit strong reactions either in favour or against them.rig snobbery probably dates all the way back to prehistorical Polynesian exploration, but the specific disdain for junk rigs is an artifact of British manufacture. I could speculate and ramble for hours on this subject without getting anywhere. It dips into issues of national pride and other intangible, poorly documented, ahistorical things all the way back to the beginning of recorded history and beyond. one question at issue is whether or to what extent you believe certain historical European accounts and contemporary Chinese claims about the Ming treasure fleets.
>>2755826Square rigs are superior as proven by the historical evidence of junk fleets never once ruling the waves.
>>2755833stipulated, but square rigs don't look cool.
>>2755844square rigs look really cool, but only on huge tri masted galleonsthey just look dumb on anything reasonable to personally own
>>2755833>>2755826I really meant modern western junk rigs, not historical ones. If you look on boomer forums, their advocates don't shut up about how great junks are while the detractors throw a hissy fit at the mere mention of them.Then it'll usually turn into a massive argument about upwind performance
>>2755932>boomer forumsenough said
>>2755932>boomers benchracing on sailing forumsI'm not surprised but it's still funny
>>2755932I'd say sailing forums would be tolerable if all the boomers left but I think of sailing discord it's it's almost as insufferable. Pic unrelated.
>>2756095I would like a boat that actually fits at least one human.
>>2756459lose some weight, fatty
>>2756738Show me a human that can sail a 12cm lego boat.
>>2755021actual lighting rod
>>2756740
>>2756740theres lots
>>2756740lego boats seem to be an untapped trend on social media, hmm
>>2756740this ones actually pretty based, i love the lapstrake style hull construction. very authentic and trad
I have a Raymarine st2000 and would like it to steer to the wind. They used to sell a push pit mounted windvane that spoke in seatalk that would tell the ap what to do. Is there a diy way to build this?
>>2758458seems like it should be possiblehttp://www.thomasknauf.de/seatalk.htmyou'd need some encoders to get the angle of the vane and then a microcontroller to translate the raw sensor data into the format the autopilot reads. Note I'm just talking out of my ass here, I've never used any of these things
>>2754879>>2755039So it’s been a few weeks, I think I’m going to find some dry wall anchors and put those in with epoxy then put the original tabernacle screws back in. Maybe add some sealant or flex seal to keep out moisture but I think this section is a little soggy from age. Not sure the depth of the surface though, will have to check it. I could also try shimming some plastic zip ties in the holes if the other idea fails.Maybe I will get the boat out this year...
Would it be possible to make a low-tech version of this rig for small boats?Basically, take a junk rig, but make it square instead of fore-and-aft, with curved battens to give it roughly the same shape. Would it be shit? Probably. Would it work? Probably.
>>2760029Anon...IIf you're not going to cut the rot out and fix it glue it with 3M 5200. The drywall plastic will fail.
>>2760345just build one of these instead
Sailing upwind and crosswind relies on the Bernoulli principle, but how does downwind sailing work? Does the sail just catch wind like a plastic bag?
>>2760517Good suggestion, thanks
>>2760614Essentially, yes.
>>2760644Thanks.
>>2760614Yeah, it's why you can get away with that weird-ass wing-on-wing setup going straight down
>>2760614Yes
>>2755650She doesn't want to sail, she wants to lay on the deck naked while Anon sails.
I’ve seen a few homemade sailing dinghies for sale near me, but it’s always the child of the person who originally built it who lists it and they have no idea what the design is.
Some fucking osprey keeps bringing fish on my deck and leaving like half to rotasshole
>>2762788he's bringing you presents because he loves you
Most of the way done with my electrical refit. Still got a few things left to finish up, but I've got AC power from battery now so that's pretty cool.
>>2762788>he doesn't know
>>2755648Time to buy your own boat and go sailing without her. Or maybe a different woman.
>>2751529Newnewnewfag never tied a knot on anything but my shoes Does this gen have a currently absent link(s) to essential reading? I'm reading around anyway just figured I'd ask
>>2751529How do I learn to sail? I think owning a sailboat (possibly living aboard) would be fun, but I should know how to actually pilot it first. Do I just lurk around the local marina and see if anyone is willing to show me the ropes?
>>2765205Dinghies are probably the best way to get an intuitive feel for sailing. A weekend class for an ASA 101 cert is a good first step.Hanging out at the local marina and serving as rail meat when they have race days is a good way to learn about bigger boats, and there's always good demand for that.
Finally finished my electrical work on the boat and was able to go out sailing after letting her languish in the slip for two months. Feels good to get back out on the water.
>>2765557excellent work friendo, I'm about to tear out all my windows and re-seal them :( not looking forward to it
>>2765557Very inspiring anon.
OH LAWD
looks like /out/ was spared from the mass thread purge?
>>2763355>HEAR THE RIME OF THE ANCIENT MARINER
>>2765085There is surprisingly little modern content on sailing 101. Post links if you come across some good guides>>2765205Find the people in your area that sail and start networking - i.e. go look for facebook groups since they're all boomers. Most of the knowledge is communal. You can learn and sail for free in many cases if you just make some friends with boat owners who have unwilling wives/kids/crew. Make the case that you are excited to learn and happy to help, someone will take you out and be able tell you what the local conditions are: clubs, marinas, fees, insurance, dangerous waters, good boats for the area, opportunitties for events and good deals. Always bring a six pack and some snacks, it's the surest way to a sailors heart.
>>2768285As he stops one of three..
Is 6 grand really worth it for this boat?
>>2754879This bread is still up? Anyways, first I tried marine epoxy and anchors but they sheared off and broke.So my last attempts more solid, I painted a board then drilled holes and epoxied the bottom, feels real solid now. Only problem will be when I try to raise the mast next the stay cables will probably need some adjustment from the move.
>>2770402i think thats a bit much given the ancient evinrude 2 stroke on the back of it. if that engine is like a lot of old 2 strokes, it will idle rough, be loud as fuck, smokey, and guzzle gas. tho some people love the simplicity, reliability, and lightweight of a 2 strokethe boat itself looks pretty old, too. but if its aluminum and the hull is in good shape, and given the size, then i guess the price isnt terrible. down here in the savannah area, I saw a comparable boat for sale recently - a 2003 quintrex 168 with a 75hp yamaha 4 stroke on it, and they wanted 8100 for it. pic related
>>2770925So I finally got it out on the water, more of a pond. It was light winds but the boat worked great, didn’t put out the jib either. Sure we bumped into a few things, dropped the rudder, etc, but this old girl already had battle damage. The repair seems real strong on the tabernacle, the scariest part was the 2 mile drive with the mast shaking like spaghetti over every bump. Need to find a better system to secure that on the road. Just about time to winterize it now, lol
when i was a wee lad my scout group had some toppers and kayaks we went out in a few times a year, im getting the urge for dinghying>>2751548based
I've never sailed. If I ever need to flee my shithole due to societal collapse, how should I orient the sail? Is "always perpendicular to the wind" a good rule of thumb? Also what kind of emergency fishing technique could work?
>>2774874here you go
its been 4 years of being in sailing in a big ish lake and I'm seriously starting to think of getting out.I have this recurring auto immune issue that fucks me out of entire seasons and I dread having to do the manual labour in this statealso the fucks at the sail club are a bunch of snobsalso im in my early 30s and I'm not saving fast enough.Idk. I love sailing. it calms me down, its been so good for my mental health. but these factors are making it a lot of stress
>>2776918switch to a dinghy or quit racing
I wanna sell my house and move into a cat. Literally everything about it is appealing to me. After the initial cost of the boat and setup, I'd save so much money, even if I just park it at a liveaboard slip, at 10$ per foot in my area, I could live in a 50 foot cat, and the slip rent would literally still cost less than renting a studio apartment. I do eventually want to become totally off grid and bluewater sailing eventually, but I have stuff I still need to take care of first. But, I have an honest question, what is the price range I should be looking into? Should I buy factory new, or used? I have found the brand Smart Cat that makes a 28 foot cat for about 200k, with three bedrooms one bath, and thats about all I would need for myself and occasional guests. Although I would prefer a 40 or 50 foot cat, but those are all around 500k.
How does one get into the career of delivering sailboats to rich people who bought them around the world? I mean the service where you live on their boat for however long it takes to sail the boat from the factory or boat show they bought it from, to their local marina.
>>2777902you would likely have a role in the sale of the sailboatim not sure 100% how boat companies are structured but id imagine some kind of contact role as part of the initial sale, or at least a service type position
bought a hobie 16, i dont know how to sail. gonna just wing it.
Yes, I WILL sail with 3 men on a 2 man Mirror dinghy and NO, I will not buy sailing lessons despite having never sailed
>>2779757just wear your lifejackets and try not to get too distracted by homoerotic thoughts
Season winding down, sad
>>2754599Galvanized chain is fine, don't waste money on SS even if you can find it.
>>2766199Freaking insanity there.
>>2770402Yes, the boat has collector value in good shape.
Looks fast!
>>2751529There is this 1988 Bayliner capri for sale. OMC 3.0 inboard for $500. Should I buy it? Little bit of a drive so sight on seen. Inside in great shape
>>2751529Looking to buy a kayak to do some trips in the Hebrides and lochs but I have no idea what I am buying. I was thinking of buying a riot endure 13 (pic related) for about $700 would this be capable for what I want to do or should I look for something else?
>>2751529ill save 2000 a year by switching to a sailing club that I do 2 overnight security shifts a year and some yardwork. would you guys do that? itll bring down my boat costs to like 1500 a year.But overnight shifts sound brutal. I'd obiviosuly take time off work too.I also find myself just kinda hanging out in my boat a lot. Taking naps. bbq'ing, reading manga. Peaceful times.
>>2784131>2 overnight security shifts a year and some yardworkooh neative just been paddling for a while and would love to get into dinghyingare there many clubs that would give you a membership discount for that kind of deal/do you need any kind of security certifications, and do you store your boat at the sailing club?cost and space are my barriers atm
>>2784422no but there are clubs that just do dinghying, and you'll probably pay far less. It used to be common, but then boomers pulled the ladder up behind them, as usual, and made everything unaffordable
>>2784422depends on where you are but where I am the dinghy clubs just leave enough boats on buoys for whoever wants to use one. nothing fancy, just your average fleet of aging lasers and optimists and whatnot, the odd hobie. the scow clubs don't have a fleet that large but they are always starved for crew and all you really have to do is show up when needed.
>>2779548Pull the sail until it stops flapping and the boat moves forward
Best sailing video YouTube https://youtu.be/BNfvmCFdkkM?si=SIiZmdhFTAyPraVI
i'm thinking about buying a 30' trailerable trimaran, and was wondering how capable it might be offshore, in spite of their tiny displacement.does their performance evaporate the moment they run into waves a few meters high?do they become unlivable at sea? I would expect that the limited heel would help with the comfort as compared to a monohull, but I would love to hear anyones elses experience on this.
