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>>25594842>Thinking "The Tell-Tale Heart" is uninterestingI hate to say it anon, but you got filtered pretty hard
>>25594554never knew this existed. people online say it's good. is the copy in english? I'm seeing it go for a lot of money on ebay.
>>25594940>t.performative maleIt's not an interesting story.
>>25595043oh you're actually just retardedfind another board
>>25595436Sorry you thought the shit you were force fed in school was the end-all-be-all pinnacle of literary fiction, you dumb, cocksucking FAGGOT. Cultivate some taste, mongoloid.
>>25595216You wouldn't get it. If you are ensouled, a good movie beats a great novel, always.
>>25595220>dodges the question
fpbp
>>25594410I want to see this despite being directed by an unfunny jew redditor but man, what a shitty nondescript title
>>25595220The wrongest poast I’ve seen on this board and I’ve seen some wrong posts
Did the modern idea that men must be strong and emotionless exist before 1900?Most of the men in classic literature books that I've read would be considered sensitive, emotional, weak men by the standards of 2026 media but in classic books they are merely just presented as men. It is as if the whole concept of how men naturally are has completely shifted in modern times.
>>25595359>Can you read Greek?Yes.>Can you read ligatured Greek?...
>>25595336read this too, retardbe sure to take notes about Njal, Gunnar, Flosi, Skarphedin, and Kari in particular
>>25595336This is an all timer from the anti-gay activist Adorno> Tough baby [in English in original] – A certain gesture of manliness, be it one’s own, be it that of another, deserves mistrust. It expresses independence, surety of the power of command, the silent conspiracy of all men with each other. Earlier one anxiously called it, awe-struck, the whims of lords, today it is democratized and is played by film heroes for the benefit of the lowliest bank employee. The archetype for this is the good looking man in a smoking jacket, who enters his bachelor’s pad alone one late evening, turns on the indirect lighting, and pours a whisky-soda: the carefully recorded fizzing of the mineral water says what the arrogant mouth does not; that he despises whatever does not smell of smoke, leather and shaving cream – above all, women, and for that very reason they swarm all over him. For him, the pinnacle of human relations is the club, the site of a respect founded on a considerate inconsiderateness. The joys of such men, or on the contrary of their models, which hardly anyone alive really matches, for human beings are always better than their culture, have altogether something of the latent act of violence. By all appearances, this is threatened to others, though he has long since had no need to do so, sprawled on his easy chair. In truth it is past violence against himself. If all pleasure sublates earlier displeasure [Unlust], then here displeasure is raised – as pride in bearing it – unmediated, untransformed, stereotypically into pleasure: unlike wine, every glass of whiskey, every puff on the cigar still recalls the reluctance, which it must have cost the organism, to accustom itself to such powerful stimuli. According to their own constitution, the he-men would thus be what they are usually presented as in film scripts, masochists. The lie is concealed in their sadism, and it is as liars that they truly become sadists, agents of repression. That lie is nothing other than repressed homosexuality, which emerges as the only approved form of what is heterosexual.
> In Oxford one can differentiate between two kinds of students: the “tough guys” [in English in original] and the intellectuals; the latter are equated almost without further ado to those who are effeminate. There is a great deal of evidence that the ruling class polarizes itself according to these extremes on the road to dictatorship. Such disintegration is the secret of integration, of happiness of unity in the absence of happiness. In the end the “tough guys” [in English in original] are the ones who are really effeminate, who require the weaklings as their victims, in order not to admit that they are like them. Totality and homosexuality belong together. While the subject falls apart, it negates everything which is not of its own kind. The opposites of the strong man and the compliant youth fuse into a social order, which unreservedly asserts the masculine principle of domination. By making everyone, without exception – even presumed subjects – into its objects, it recoils into total passivity, virtually into what is feminine.
>I'M A BIG KID NOW
Due to the success of the NY /lit/ meetup, we are starting a CT chapter. First meetup is Thursday evening.Sick of shallow book talk and blank looks when you bring up serious literature or philosophy? If you’re in or near Hartford CT, come to the CT /lit/ meetup on Thursday, October 15th. We’re here for raw, unfiltered discussion. Meet in person and say what you mean.If you're interested email CTlitmeeetup@proton.me and I'll give you the place and time
>>25594515Turned out to be a prank on me. The quiz was a datamining effort and the time and place was an embarrassing joke. Imagine asking in a roundabout way for a meetup like this. OP can fuck himself to hell.
>>25594515You'll just have to attempt to join us for the next one.>>25594961>>25593123>>25593142>>25593163He didn't fly so well.
>>25594865>It happened. It was fun.Minimalist. So what actually happened nerd?
>>25594998Yeah, thanks but no. I’m over 3000 miles away for one.
>>25595499too poor to afford a plane ticket to come hang out with some cool anons?
any recommendations for comfy books like this I would love to run away with Alice
>>25594592Haven't read OP, but>comfy booksMoby-Dick (in parts)Magic Mountain
>>25594592Try England Afoot (1911).You'll love it. It's not fiction, though, but a travel book, sort of. A love letter to all that lies outside the cities of England.Downloaded it from PG a week ago and received my own printed edition of it yesterday.I always print out books that I can't purchase anymore or can no longer read because they are too damaged.I'm currently waiting for the delivery of, I think, 9.
disclaimer: haven't read either
>finish book>go online to read what it was really aboutis this normal?I don't have media literacy genetically
>>25595190No one can understand everything about a novel/book worth understanding in an hour. It can take years and plenty of AHA moments reading other works it was alluding to. It's more beneficial to do the work of understanding on your own even if it takes longer. The more you do it the more you might realize how differently you actually feel to what the guy outsourced the thoughts to had to say about the work.
>>25595040Some interpretations are obvious, some are less obvious can actually change how you view the book (Confidence-Man, Bartleby, Magic Mountain) and some are just straight up bogus. There is no gold standard for this, some stories are just more interpretable than others, while other are more straightforward. It's not a question of difficulty either, Gravity's Rainbow is very straightforward in its messaging (CIA niggers glow in the dark), while the actual act of reading the book feels like a vague dream you can't quite interpret.
Whatever meaning people seem to agree exists in a book is not necessarily meaning in that book. The points an intelligent and well researched critic has about a book are not necessarily the meaning in the book. There are many cases where what an author thought the book is about turns out to not be what the book is about. What you're looking for is assembled in each reader's mind individually. There are some minds that are better than others, some interpretations that are more correct than others. But this doesn't mean that being a good reader has to include an ability to actively identify and then be able to communicate what you got from a text to another person, or even to yourself. That's separate. You are a good reader when the literal and/or aesthetic and/or notional aspects of a book take firm root in your mind and your mind meaningfully interacts with them. You can mask not having this with theory or wide shallow reading or having a knowledge of common criticism, but those people fall like wheat in front of a schythe when confronted by someone with an honest question who has read the book more deeply and fully than they have. Even if they don't appear to fall they fall. The world has plenty of people who wear the costume of a reader who have never actually read a book. Even as children their professor Dad or 2nd grade teacher Mom said to them before the story was read what themes to look for, paused on sentences to try to tease out their own understanding of authorial intent in their kid before the story was done, who corrected impressions they didn't understand when the kid provided them. All human beings fear death and are nauseated by meaningful uncertainty. These things cannot be removed from a conscious, mortal mind. If something in a book takes hold of you take hold of it back. The uncertainty about if you have understood will never disappear completely, but it will lessen as you and the book grow closer, and this growing closer is what real reading is.
Do you believe, upon your conscience, that Homer, whilst he was a-couching his Iliads and Odysses, had any thought upon those allegories, which Plutarch, Heraclides Ponticus, Eustathius, Cornutus squeezed out of him, and which Politian filched again from them? If you trust it, with neither hand nor foot do you come near to my opinion, which judgeth them to have been as little dreamed of by Homer, as the Gospel sacraments were by Ovid in his Metamorphoses, though a certain gulligut friar (Frere Lubin croquelardon.) and true bacon-picker would have undertaken to prove it, if perhaps he had met with as very fools as himself, (and as the proverb says) a lid worthy of such a kettle.
>finish amazing book>immediately start reading a new book>forget about the previous book
I read about this imageboard in Ella Dorn's article: "How 4chan became the home of the elite reader"Well, I'm here.Can you provide me with a classical education?
>>25593347>everything of any real interest is to be found within the continental traditionClassic pseud take. You can't name any analytic philosophers without googling who aren't Quine or Russell
>>25592689>le past was le better
>>25593045ok then kek
Why do fags and mods alike on this board think I'll use a year of my freetime dedicated to reading the books listed in a single image from a single shitpost? Holy shit, face the music- no one is interested. Reading 50 books in a listed sequence is more likely to summon a demon or cause permanent brain damage than to convey any type of info. I'll make it my wallpaper to make my daily reference and devotion to the singular image more accessible. If it's proven any single anon has read even 20 books in an image containing more than 30 books as a result of the image alone i will remove my pinky finger.
>>25592312Sorry that was /lit/ of 10 to 15 years ago.Someone might have a few chartsOh here's one >>25592327This one's new on me >>25592665Fucking frogs in it? I don't trust it.>>25594683If you want to learn a thing, read a book on the thing. Place was basically modeled after Harold Bloom, till the fascies invaded. Pick and choose as you go. Enjoy while you learn. A good book changes you, but so can bad books.
We don't need this many Nietzsche threads in one day. Fucking stop it.
>>25591202BASED
>>25590647technically, this is a nietzsche thread
>>25594138Nope. I'm just telling you performative faggots to reel it in a bit. That's all.
we need more Aristotle threads
I don't understand why there's a philosophy general if no one is going to use it. Half the fucking catalog here is philosophyfags.
>What is /phil/ Philosophy General?A general for readers, students, and armchair thinkers interested in philosophy, whether it be Western, Eastern, analytic, continental, ancient, contemporary. We discuss primary texts, secondary literature, online lectures, podcasts.>Why read philosophy?Politics, science, psychology, etc. all began with or were inspired by someone who thought philosophically. Basically, if you are interested in just about anything, philosophy will help you better understand that subject. Because it is at the foundation of every conceptual institution made or discovered by humans, it is in the underbelly of human experience, and so it is worth taking seriously.>Why study philosophy formally?Surprisingly versatile and undervalued. Phil majors consistently score among the highest on the LSAT, GRE, and GMAT. Strong pipeline into law, policy, ethics consulting, AI alignment, and academia.The server: https://discord.gg/uPvkn8Tcf6/phil/ guide: https://www.scribd.com/document/324425214/Lit-Philosophy-Project-1-2
>>25595378Between the ‘is’ and the ‘ought’. Catholicism provides a mythological solution b/w an insighful mythological diagnostic. Kant saw that the problem was insoluble and was also the engine of rational existence.
>>25595402It’s not a matter of thinking there “is”. Being is a category. Your post undermines Kant’s radicalism. If he was alove today he’d be trans.
>>25595418yes it is a category, which is why we must attribute being to teleology within experience
>>25595418>he was alove today he’d be trans.tranny cope. all you faggots do is misread kant to try to rationalize your fagginess.
>>25595217>Kant saw that our lives are purposeless and your sense of your own agency is itself illusorycomplete midwit missreading
>no papism>no mary worship>no kiddy fiddlinghow exactly is it a catholic work?
>>25591759Should be obvious to anyone reading above the level of a 5th grader.
>>25591799>elf pope indulgences and sex abuse cover upsbro hasn't read the silmarillion or the extended histories of middle earth. attend to your studies, we're talking full-on hentai degeneracy, maybe even lowkey /d/ material
>>25591759I guess so, sure, but like all Christianity, it's built on the foundation of European polytheistic religion and that's why people like it. The Catholicism is this alien layer that only adds boring and patronizing good vs. evil moralising. It's like a photograph where the colours have been desaturated. None of the wonder in fantasy comes from Christianity
>>25595407The more you think about this, the truer you realize it is.
>>25593848The word Holocaust means a sacrifice via fire. Only thing burned like that was Germany and the Christian part of Japan. Blaming the people for jewish bullshit is a very jewish thing to do.
>40 year career as a published writer >somehow broke at 68 >kills himself How does this even happen
>>25594873in any major city it is easy to live if you have no money. it is much harder to live if you are an average working person.
>>25594421I mean, his expression right here already kinda tells me he had given up by that point
>>25594979as someone with chronic low back pain/sciatica, it gets a lot worse than your leg hurting due to the bulging disc. that kind of pain compells you to look for any alternative, even if it's opiates or surgery/treatments you can't afford. until i had back surgery there were some days i couldn't walk, and the days that i could i had to use a cane. i'd never kill myself over back pain, but there are times when it crossed my mind.
>>25595036I felt that way for a period of time when I had neck pain, like I was crippled and it didn't make any sense why it was so bad. You can fix yourself with exercise to a large degree even if you have a bulging disc. Doctors offer surgery because it's convenient for them.
>>25594421He finally realized that sticking your body parts into another man's poophole is kinda gross and died from the ick
Is James Goyce overrated?
>>25592687I wish i could suck his farts
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>>25593523>being insecure enough to post this
>>25594616kek
>>25593785>science>calm and intellectualgood one, rousseau
Am I a retard? I'm on chapter 16 and barely have any idea what's going on.
>>25591644Haven't read Idoru yet. I just finished the Sprawl series and someone who's opinions I trust recommended I start Jackpot and kinda warned me it was difficult to get into but worth it.
>>25591649You see the patterns developing as you read his older stuff. His trilogy pre Jackpot, Pattern Recognition, Spook Country and Zero History, read like him wanting to show off cool stuff he learned about in the early internet originally and discuss weird government conspiracies. Peripheral got my back up a little on its own, and when I saw the blurb for the sequel to Peripheral ("In a world where Hillary Clinton won in 2016, a black female fbi agent..") I just threw my hands up on his work.
>>25591466You're meant to pick things up as you go along. Maybe you could ask AI for a summary.
>>25591481I think it's extremely tacky and I wouldn't include on my book cover (I don't write).
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16 hours left—I’ll post the /wibac/ afterwards.>>25591692>but I’m so glad to be participating this monthForsan tempore proximo perficiam quid polliceor : (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0Q_DVr0_2I
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Really glad I could finish this in time. I ended up being pretty busy so I couldn't take more advantage of the longer time frame but at the very least I finished it. The second half may feel more rushed though. Also, if anyone here is an expert on 18th century naval history or warfare please don't beat me up over the historical innaccuracies.https://rentry.co/xkvovhm3
Have you ever come to respect an author more after learning about their creative habits?
>>25594876This guy was autistic as fuck. That or stunted and spoiled to an extreme degree.
I think the German language is cursed. Something about increases risk of spergouts.
>>25594652While Kant is seen as super influential these days, back in his life the German enlightened king Fritz (der alte Fritz) wouldn't even bother meeting up with Kant and would rather hang out in his vacation home with Voltaire and write little gay letters to each other.I feel sorry for poor Emanuel.Now we have another Fritz in power who sucks even more.Schopenhauer was also a funny guy; he once kicked a lady down some stairs for being too noisy in the straitway outside his apartment and had to pay her for the rest of her life.He also was against labor protestors fighting for democracy or some shit and got scared when he heard knocking on the door, but to his relief it was the Austrian army who wanted to snipe people from his window, and he offered them his opera glasses as a scope.But I guess that doesn't count as a creative process.I think Phillip K. Dick did a cool thing in The Man in the High Castle, having a character who made decisions based on Chinese fortune telling, and so Phil did the same thing and wrote the story based on that outcome. He also thought all these worlds he wrote about are real in some drug-addict way.
>>25594652No, because I believe in the death of the author!
>>25595401>Schopenhauer was also a funny guy; he once kicked a lady down some stairs for being too noisy in the straitway outside his apartment and had to pay her for the rest of her life."Obit anus, abit onus."
