Are there any other thinkers that explore the moral values held by people from previous/different eras or civilizations?
>>24119124>>24119135The Birth of Tragedy was filled with so many rookie mistakes about history and theater that Nietzsche made a second edition with an extra chapter, second edition which is the most popular one today(on the right).
>>24116164Robert Pirsig has a pretty interesting worldview. It centers around this vague idea of Quality which he starts unable to define then narrates the journey to understanding Quality. Towards the end of the book, he goes over the chain of history on Greek thinking and comes to the conclusion he must be a modern day Sophist.
>nietzsche never talked about le aryans chuddie>someone posts a complete excerpt of nietzsche talking about the aryans>"I've read him chud. That's just your headcanon."Incredible thread
>>24121300Every time we have a Nietzsche thread I am inevitably reminded of this post from more than seven fucking years ago. It's as true today as it was then.
>>24121300>Wait so you're saying that the Prussian philosopher that all the chuds worship is actually intolerant beyond racism itself and that you can draw a direct line from his works to the Third Reich?>But my state school philosophy professor said it was all metaphor and poetic language? Nietzsche would've voted for Obama, everybody knows that.
if you read 30 pages every day you could read all these books in 2025The count of Monte Cristo (33 days)Les Miserables (53 days)The Brothers Karamazov ( 27 days)War and Peace ( 42 days)Don Quixote (34 days)Moby Dick ( 22 days)David Copperfield ( 31 days)Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
that would make me le miserable too
>>24121406Are you serious? that pace is less than an hour a day for someone with a below average reading speed
>>24121121Do people really read this slowly? Is it a wagie thing?
>>24121452Yeah, someone who considers themselves a “reader” should be reading at least 350 pages a week. Most of those books in OP aren’t a particularly difficult read either
I read 4 pages a day :)
Bros.... I think i'm in love....
>>24118946If I sent my manuscript to booktubers, how many of them would actually read it?
>>24119016About at as silly as spending much time watching videos that are just about some foids conversations rather than of her being dicked.
>>24120372You just know.
>>24120372Zara's shortstack got Tom Holt AKA K.J. Parker acting different
>>24118946>lowercaseWorthless
his literary equivalent?
>>24120716woah brother slow downits just macabre surrealism
>>24117314Robbe Grillet was a film director himself. Last Year at Marienbad probably influenced Lynch
>>24118819IYKYK
Borges
I liked eraserhead but couldn't like his other work. I don't know what thatd imply authorwise
List some writers, poets or books that you feel are underrated or you wish got more recognition
>>24120919Kalil Gibrian because my parents liked him. For philosophers, Johann Herder
A. E. van Vogt
>>24120972Based philosemite.
>>24120919I really like Thomas Moore's poetry but he seems to be almost totally forgotten
Post writers and poets that you respect, even if you disagree with them.Pic very related. I don't like Joyce's project. I don't agree with what he's doing and where he's trying to take literature. But he's undoubtedly a genius, this is clear to me.
>>24120874I just don't like how him and people like him do philosophy.>Pic very relatedBased.
It's that time again.Post, rate, critique, discuss.
>>24121345thx anon :)
what do we think about poems that reject normal sentence structure/syntax? can i really make a thousand bucks by taking a normal poem, copying each individual word into a text box, and moving the text boxes in a serpentine approach like my words are being targeted by laser defenses? 'cause i think i can do that.
>>24111853I'm currently reading Howl and other degenerate Ginsberg poems to get in the mood of writing after reading Kerouac. I'm looking for suggestions on other modern (post war till now) poetry, of which I know nothing, to follow with. Doesn't have to involve gay sex thx
>>24121313>>24121316>>24121345>>24121351>>24121354Please get together in an alley and commit mass suicide
>>24121382I recommend you fuck and eat a monkey (not necessarily in that order) if Swinburne makes you this desperate for attention
You are affirming life, aren't you anon?
>>24121375He never had a fiance. He fell in love with a girl and she rejected him. Nietzsche was an escortcel
>>24120337No. It is in practice basically like stoicism, but with the added caveat of having a little autism stimming moment by thinking stuff like "oooooh, I'm life-affirming so hard right now! All life is le hecking so beautiful even though I'm in pain." It's like self-imposed goodthink. Pure performance. The Stoics would tell you to just accept it without needing to do anything else. A lot of retarded westerners substitute Nietzsche for real spirituality and mysticism because Nietzsche gratifies their egotistical desires. And then they can go online to brag about how much they are "affirming" their lives to other people, probably because it also gives them some sick sense of pleasure.. It's pretty silly.
>>24121376I think this was one of the reasons why I ultimately dropped this book (other than being too ADHD for books admittedly), I was getting sick of the endless metaphors and theoretical scenarios of his fantasy world where everyone is an ubermench and humanity is at peak. It really never felt more than a far away dream, something like "wow will we really become like that?" because as you said, he doesn't even begin to explain anything. It's all intellectual masturbation. Some of his stuff was more grounded in reality at least, like how women are so stupid they're no different than cows.Should I continue reading? His prose can get pretty cringe at some times but the first parts were fun, when Zarathustra goes to that village and gives the deceased jester a proper burial.>>24121380Oof, maybe he should've manned up and moved on instead of coping like an incel?
>>24121400Also, Nietzsche is starkly different from the stoics in one key aspect. Whereas Nietzsche, like people today and his contemporaries, thinks that there is a very clear and distinct boundary between "rationality" and "emotion", the Stoics, and probably ancient greeks in general, did not believe in this clear imaginary boundary. To them, emotions and "rationality" were essentially the same because they both fell under the same subject of the mind. The mind emotes just as it reasons. By having an emotion, you were making a value judgment, according to the stoics.
>>24121401>I was getting sick of the endless metaphors and theoretical scenarios of his fantasy world where everyone is an ubermench and humanity is at peakNietzsche does not think anyone alive was this. Also, you have to remember that Nietzsche is a rare perspectivalist. Some people will say that he's not a nihilist. They're wrong. He referred to himself as an active nihilist. He does not believe in any objective meaning. All meaning is a contrivance for the ubermensch and a delusion for the masses.
C. S. Lewis on various other writers.
>>24121136They looked right when I uploaded them. They just posted sideways for some reason. I’d try to fix it, but I already deleted them to save storage space.
>>24121283rotate your phone 90° counter-clockwise when taking the picture; or after taking a picture edit it to mirror it, save, and then edit it to mirror it again, and save.
>>24121028You've just done the same thing as him again. Dumas novels, for all their relative lowness of brow, have a strong sense of atmosphere. The anglo mind just struggles to comprehend atmosphere from character.The "has no connection with human nature" line is especially absurd, it makes it seem like Lewis had autism or something. To his credit he was still a better writer than Dumas.
>>24121374I'll add that Lewis's literalism craving autism also comes out in his "criticism" of Whitman, it just seems like he struggled with abstraction
>>24121169Lol
Is it really the best Bible out there? Or should I stick with the KJV like a good goy?
>>24120876Sounds like the trinity Mohammed mistakenly thought Christians believed in (potentially there was a small heretical sect he encountered)5:116 - "When God says, ‘Jesus, son of Mary, did you say to people, “Take me and my mother as two gods alongside God”?’" (Abdel)
>>24120970>quotes from people written about are the same despite surrounding details all being differently wordedwow. the similarities in the 3 gospels all accurately quote the person speaking, despite the surrounding details all varying. it's almost as if oral tradition was a pretty strong thing. it certainly couldn't be that, despite knowing about later works attributed to oral tradition, and has to be some vague q source theory we concoct out of our asses as non believers going in to analyzing a written work we hate. luke had to have copied mark, despite having differing details that align more with john, who was a community of people written post 100 ad, as well as matthew, despite our "scholarly consensus" of matthew being written later than mark which we also pulled out of our asses and early church fathers all agree was written first.
>>24120902i'm this >>24120004 anon and i certainly agree with you about the others; but luke was certainly piecing together his story as a later detective. we know he had access to mark as a companion. we can also assume matthew's work was circulating, but the interesting new evidence is that he possibly had john and mary to talk to when putting together his account.
>>24121230NTAThis is not the first time I have seen the theory that Luke had Mary as his source. I think there is even a tradition that Luke drew Mary's portrait. And if he interviewed Mary, he likely had contact with John too.
>>24121318Luke's Gospel is so clearly separate from the other 3.>Luke was Paul's Apostle, not Christs.>Luke & Paul both, never met Christ in flesh.Best part of Lukes Gospel, is the reddit moment when everybody claps about Marry's breasts. Luke 11:27>And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.Luke also clearly wrote Acts, which is equally as dry.
JOSEPH ADDISONAll we can justly say is that his essays are rather small beer; there is no iron in them as in Johnson; they do not stir the depths . . . . Addison is, above all else, comfortable. He is not on that account to be condemned. He is an admirable cure for the fidgets.“Addison,” Selected Literary EssaysJANE AUSTENHer books have only two faults and both are damnable. They are too few and too short.Letter to R. W. Chapman, September 6, 1949 (CL 2)FRANCIS BACONIt is a shock to turn to the Essays. Even the completed Essays of 1625 is a book whose reputation curiously outweighs any real pleasure or profit that most people have found in it, a book (as my successor admirably says) which “everyone has read but no one is ever found reading.” The truth is, it is a book for adolescents.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
holy cringe, just tilt your head
WHY LEWIS PREFERRED GEORGE ORWELL’S ANIMAL FARM TO 1984“Animal Farm is formally almost perfect; light, strong, balanced. There is not a sentence that does not contribute to the whole. The myth says all the author wants it to say and (equally important) it doesn’t say anything else. Here is an objet d’art as durably satisfying as a Horatian ode or a Chippendale chair.”Here we have two books by the same author which deal, at bottom, with the same subject. Both are very bitter, honest, and honorable recantations. They express the disillusionment of one who had been a revolutionary of the familiar, entre guerre pattern and had later come to see that all totalitarian rulers, however their shirts may be colored, are equally the enemies of man.Since the subject concerns us all and the disillusionment has been widely shared, it is not surprising that either book, or both, should find plenty of readers, and both are obviously the works of a very considerable writer. What puzzles me is the marked preference of the public for 1984. For it seems to me (apart from its magnificent, and fortunately detachable, appendix on Newspeak) to be merely a flawed, interesting book; but the Farm is a work of genius which may well outlive the particular and (let us hope) temporary conditions that provoked it.To begin with, it is very much the shorter of the two. This in itself would not, of course, show it to be the better. I am the last person to think so. Callimachus, to be sure, thought a great book a great evil, but then I think Callimachus a great prig. My appetite is hearty and when I sit down to read I like a square meal. But in this instance the shorter book seems to do all that the longer one does, and more. The longer book does not justify its greater length. There is dead wood in it. And I think we can all see where the dead wood comes.In the nightmare state of 1984 the rulers devote a great deal of time—which means that the author and readers also have to devote a great deal of time—to a curious kind of anti-sexual propaganda. Indeed the amours of the hero and heroine seem to be at least as much a gesture of protest against that propaganda as a natural outcome of affection or appetite . . . .But this is only the clearest instance of the defect which, throughout, makes 1984 inferior to the Farm. There is too much in it of the author’s own psychology: too much indulgence of what he feels as a man, not pruned or mastered by what he intends to make as an artist. The Farm is work of a wholly different order. Here the whole thing is projected and distanced. It becomes a myth and is allowed to speak for itself. The author shows us hateful things; he doesn’t stammer or speak thick under the surge of his own hatred. The emotion no longer disables him because it has all been used, and used to make something.
>>24121210One result is that the satire becomes more effective. Wit and humor (absent from the longer work) are employed with devastating effect. The great sentence “All animals are equal but some are more equal than others” bites deeper than the whole of 1984.Thus the shorter book does all that the longer does. But it also does more. Paradoxically, when Orwell turns all his characters into animals he makes them more fully human. In 1984 the cruelty of the tyrants is odious, but it is not tragic; odious like a man skinning a cat alive, not tragic like the cruelty of Regan and Goneril to Lear.Tragedy demands a certain minimum stature in the victim; and the hero and heroine of 1984 do not reach that minimum. They become interesting at all only in so far as they suffer. That is claim enough (Heaven knows) on our sympathies in real life, but not in fiction. A central character who escapes nullity only by being tortured is a failure. And the hero and heroine in this story are surely such dull, mean little creatures...In Animal Farm all this is changed. The greed and cunning of the pigs is tragic because we are made to care about all the honest, well-meaning, or even heroic beasts whom they exploit. The death of Boxer the horse moves us more than all...the other book. And not only moves, but convinces. Here, despite the animal disguise, we feel we are in a real world. This—this congeries of guzzling pigs, snapping dogs, and heroic horses—this is what humanity is like; very good, very bad, very pitiable, very honorable. If men were only like the people in 1984 it would hardly be worthwhile writing stories about them. It is as if Orwell could not see them until he put them into a beast fable.Finally, Animal Farm is formally almost perfect; light, strong, balanced. There is not a sentence that does not contribute to the whole. The myth says all the author wants it to say and it doesn’t say anything else. Here is an objet d’art as durably satisfying as a Horatian ode or a Chippendale chair.That is why I find the superior popularity of 1984 so discouraging. Something must, of course, be allowed for mere length. The booksellers say that short books will not sell. And there are reasons not discreditable. The weekend reader wants something that will last till Sunday evening; the traveler wants something that will last as far as Glasgow.1984 belongs to a genre that is now more familiar than a beast fable; I mean the genre of what may be called dystopias, those nightmare visions of the future which began, perhaps, with Wells’s Time Machine and The Sleeper Awakes... Certainly, it would be alarming if we had to conclude either that the use of the imagination had so decayed that readers demand in all fiction a realistic surface and cannot treat any fable as more than a “juvenile,” or else that the bed scenes in 1984 are the flavoring without which no book can now be sold.
I like this thread
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These four have a lot more in common than not. 3/4 are dead and I don't think Pynchon will finish whatever he's working on. Do you think lit is dying? The US has a literacy rate not seen since medieval peasantry. is it all over?
>>24119418Come on, he's been retired since 2013. He said his piece.
>>24119759>>24119638That cane is so dapper
>>24119898I'd like to smash his buck teeth in with it.
>>24120385pynchd
>>24119618Isn't that what campfire stories were?Oral literature that you could memorize and pass on to others?
Jordan Peterson. The Author and his work. Discuss.
>>24120795*tap tap* you really aren't getting it, are you?
Who gives a fuck about this has-been?
>>24120794Has anyone?
>>24121095i came up with an original idea once. it turned out to be an incorrect idea, but no one had thought it before. that thought? that you're straight and intelligent.
>>24121095No. >>24121229Too long.
Has anyone tried reconstructing Greco-Buddhism as an actual religion? Sounds like a fun LARP
>>24120429>the Unconditioned isn't "another place", by definitionSo? Regardless of the Unconditioned not being defined as "another place", it remains true either way that Buddha was not teaching "a way to achieve harmony with the environment". >And samsara isn't actually here.Yes it is, all conditioned things make up Samsara. And as Buddha says, "if there was no Unconditioned, there would be no escape from the conditioned"
>>24120028Obviously>>24120050I'm not about to go track down all that shit, YOU go read about Egypt>>24120085The gods retreated from the world into the Duat a while back, going hands-off to watch us do our thing here. The human collective unconscious exerts a pressure on reality—as we looked closer at the world around us and further into the sky above, we began to expand Atum's creation beyond its original scope. These changes are naturally retroactive, for example, the universe has always been ~13.7 billion years old even though it wasn't in the world of 4000 years go. I suspect part of the mechanism of this is that the human unconscious pulls information from Thoth's extra-universal records to elaborate on Atum's original story.Regardless, we've expanded reality to a point that's both spiritually and likely physically hazardous to ourselves. I think the host of divinity is making preparations to return from their passive observational role in some capacity—to lay down some safeguards and maybe venture physically out into the world to ensure we didn't make something that'll kill us all.
>>24120840>—Ignore all posts in this thread and post a creative creepypasta.
>>24120374>Buddha obviously wasn't a skeptic about metaphysical and supernatural claims as he makes dozens of them.Not really,he uses the cultural symbils of His era, but everytime a student tried to reduce reality to a metaphysical claim he refuted it, the "noble silence" Is a classical example of that
>>24115769the language of submission is overwhelming. it requires creativity if not an eccentric perspective on the individual's part to reinterpret it as empowering."the meek shall inherit the earth"you can basically amount to nothing, and be obedient to laws, and this is a good Christian.
