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What's the meaning behind Peter Sotos' works?
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>>23401476

"I actually want to commit depraved child sexual abuse myself but I'm not going to come right out myself and say so, except when I sorta-do. So here's a bunch of artsy zines to play it off like it's art or a commentary on society or something. Whoops I got arrested and convicted, how could this possibly be happening to me?!"

Same basic thing with Pasolini and Salo. Pasolini tried to play off Salo as an artistic critique of fascism, but that was a veneer. He could have adapted any work, or written his own. He didn't. He really wanted to adapt Sade for Sade's own sake. Thus, he came to his reward.

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THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT DIVINATION

This is week 5 of your "Meditations on the Tarot" (MOTT) book club
The subject for this week is: THE EMPRESS (pages 53 to 73)
If you haven't read it, you can do it now.

Next Saturday (May the 25th, 2024) the Arcana due is THE EMPRESS (2nd week)
but you will be, of course, welcome to post any insights, notes, questions regarding the previously read materials.

1. I packed MOTT & books most relevant to it into a convenient 184MB archive
link: https://files.catbox.moe/0ubl85.zip
There is also two auxiliary archives:
2. Holy Texts (Catholic study Bible + Tanakh w/ Hebrew-English parallel text 163MB)
link: https://files.catbox.moe/8j0iyi.zip
3. Tarot related (histoical, occult, and professional investigations 187MB)

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>>23399364
What grimoires should I read?
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There are a couple preliminary definitions/quotes around magic in the letter on the priestess. I liked the parts where he goes through the four worlds and ascribes to them raw mystical experience, meditative reflection, outward creative practice and finally encapsulation for others (the book).
There is that paragraph or so about God’s creation, artistic creation, birth. The priestess is traditionally virginal and the empress is traditionally pregnant, at least in some decks.
The part where he pigeon holes pantheism, naturalism, etc in the four worlds was also nice.
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>>23402615
grimoires were just a gimmick to sell printing presses
>>23402788
yeah it's a much more human and kind presentation of what in kabalistic treatises treat very dryly and autistically ~ ironically I've breezed through Kaplan's "Sefer Yetzirah" while procrastinating after having read half of the Empress
regarding pregnancy, I believe ~ as I'm primarily an Evola fan and have only read secondary literature on Guenon ~ that Guenon has highlighted how the Lord's creation (delimited by number two, as the Lord is #1) is the quintessential feminine and hence reflected in everything that shares female characteristics
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>>23402880
>treat
is treated
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>>23400882
>first pages of the Empress
This is what it says:
>All magic, including sorcery, is the putting into practice of this: that the subtle rules the dense—force, matter; consciousness, force; and the superconscious or divine, consciousness. It is this latter rulership that the Empress symbolises.
>... signifies the power of energy over matter or the volatile over the gross.
I also took the liberty of searching through every usage of the word "subtle"

This isn't exactly a clear definition, as it seems like the subtle vs. dense/gross (multiple words, bad sign) encompasses a lot of different themes: mind vs. body, ideal vs. material, supernatural vs. natural, imperceptible vs. perceptible, etc. And there is both a clear analogy with the classical elements (fire through earth) that makes it seem metaphorical AND a confusion where the elements are made to be real and that there are additional, "special elements" (e.g. aether) that are just like the classical elements but exist in a higher plane or something). The concept of things like "planes" itself is not clearly defined either.

It's confusing, because on one part it seems like that they're only trying to "borrow" a qualitative similarity (e.g. lightness vs. heaviness, or something), and then on the other hand reify all the elements as elements in the world (and almost make the mental realm into a special kind of material element There's a whole mish-mash of ideas that are being invoked in works like these. And desu, while I'm not opposed to any of them, it would be nice to have a clear order of operations, metaphysical hierarchy, etc., where everything's place is known so that they can be better dealt with. That's my problem.

>these terms were for the first time defined in Plato's Timaeus
What did you have in mind? What were the Greek terms used, exactly? My memory is hazy. I know that the elements were defined, that they're conglomerations of golden triangles, and that they are also "sensory units" as well. But doesn't the qualitative systemization get fleshed out more with Aristotle, who gives each element a primary and secondary quality in the famous hot/cold, wet/dry matrix?

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Is this true? Is To Kill a Mockingbird nothing more than a racist white savior novel?
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>>23402487
It's not racist but it is literally about a white guy swooping In to save a helpless black guy from popular racism.
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>>23402487
Considering TKAM isn't recommended because of its artistic merit but because of its themes and social message, that comment isn't wrong at all; if you're looking for literature with those types of themes, then yeah, there are much more worthwhile works to read which will better suit the purpose.
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Who cares?
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>>23402487
You can justify just about anything if you push the logic far enough. In the logic of anti racism he's not wrong. Though I still think it's quite ridiculous to dismiss the book by reducing it to a mere instance of 'white savior complex'. People like him tend to reduce everything to stereotypes, even though their ideology says otherwise.

People of the past would just summarize the chapter in a header at the beginning. "this and that happens. This character dies. They find this". Now spoilers are a big concern for readers. Is it because of the influence of film and television? The word "spoiler" itself seems to be a neologism.
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Dickens uses suspense. I would assume people didn't want to have the resolutions to the cliffhangers spoiled.
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>>23401683
While yes many stories did summarize and spoilers didn't seem to matter, I would doubt that was the case for all stories in the past.
But anyway, I suppose it would probably be around the start of the mystery genre, which was when people started to very deliberately care about getting spoilers for a story. Mystery and detective genre is very deliberately based on NOT being spoiled on the story.
Mystery genre is also quite new, relatively speaking, but older than film and television.
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It started when detective stories became popular in the late 19th century.

Books about this phenomenon?
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>>23402894
I'm fully fatpilled now, I realized if you can pick them they're nicer and actually like you.
also I'm writing one now.
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>>23402894
This is such a profoundly, movingly humanist creation
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>>23402894
Moby Dick; or, The Whale
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>>23402894
As one of the "errors" in The Comedy of Errors, Dromio of Syracuse accidentally gets involved with a very fat maid (Dromio of Ephesus' wife).
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Any good books about atheism, or dismissal of organized religion, that aren't fedora tipper tier?
I used to be really into religion (in the same way autists are obsessed with WW2 and learn everything they can about, I was like that with comparative religion), but the deeper I delved into it, the more disillusioned I became to the point where I now think all religions are extremely retarded. This wasn't a flippant thing, but a process that took many years.
Most fedora tippers approach atheism/anti-religiosity from an upfront juvenile dismal whereas I used to be a true believer so most anti-religious writing doesn't resonate with me.
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It's inherently fedora tipping, because normal people don't write books about things they don't believe in. It comes from a place of smugness and obsession.
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>>23402935
Well, Abrahamic religions didn't exactly build these societies. The "judeo"-christian foundation is a psyop. The tie-ins to modern day jews in Christianity is at best vague and at worst a reach.

Christianity, especially what built the west, isn't talmudic in any sense of the word, which is what orthodox jews nowadays believe in. There's whole conspiracies on this but if you take the history of the church and the Bible at face value, you'll find that it's true. In fact, throughout the years you see quite the opposite. Jews have tried to undermine christianity as much as they can and have even recently called it antisemitic. Pic related
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>>23402948
>It made every society it touched worse.
How so?
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>>23402957
"Judeo-Christian" is a modern invention used to justify American Christian Zionism, but that has nothing to do with the hill that "Abrahamic" religion (Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Mandaeism) lives or dies on.
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>>23402968
I stand corrected, then

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recommend me some books like this:
>propaganda
>instincts of the herd in peace and war
>influence
>anything by edward bernays

I tried some books, like "the crowd" and "engineering of consent" by chomsky instead of bernays, but none were any good or came close to the ones I mentioned earlier.
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>>23400857
Propaganda by Ellul mogs this book
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>>23402671
Also The Technological Society
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>>23400857
why?
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Take a propa ganda at Deez nuts lol
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>>23400857
I knoe a great one but even after the British army read it they decided to shoot each other out of friendliness (that is what friendly fire means... I guess?) so it would probably be fruitless to recommend it UWU

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>author self-inserts and ruins the novel
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>>23401167
Do I read the uncut or edited version of this?
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>>23402923
read the uncut version and report back, i can only imagine the bullshit
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>>23401167
Hemingway's entire bibliography.
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It's comically awful. Heinlein has a difficult time keeping his fetishes out of his books but this one was the worst. Really, really, really fucking bad. Starship Troopers and Moon gave me some stuff to think about but this novel just made me feel disgusted. Also I don't know what the book is actually about but his thoughts on organized religion in the first half were so infantile I don't care. Kill all Libertarians.
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>>23400397
That man face is wild.
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>>23402299
>russia never had mass starvation or wars before marx
>the mentally ill never killed themselves before butler
>dubois and fanon curiously omitted (their work fed into the civil rights movement, which has inarguably made black people's lives better)
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>>23402227
>conclusion: when your philosophy interrogates abstract ideas like "the good" and "knowledge," that's based. but when it interrogates a power structure, that's cringe. nobody should write any philosophy analyzing or criticizing the distribution of power.
The former is the search for truth while the latter is a narcissistic drive for bodily pleasure.
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>>23402327
Oh all of those things happened of course, I didn’t say otherwise.
>cultural revolution curiously omitted
Nobody seethes at dubois and fanon like they do de beauvoir, marx or butler. you put comparative moderates next to lunatics and pedophiles to prop them up.
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>>23400415
>The move from a structuralist account in which capital is understood to structure social relations in relatively homologous ways to a view of hegemony in which power relations are subject to repetition, convergence, and rearticulation brought the question of temporality into the thinking of structure, and marked a shift from a form of Althusserian theory that takes structural totalities as theoretical objects to one in which the insights into the contingent possibility of structure inaugurate a renewed conception of hegemony as bound up with the contingent sites and strategies of the rearticulation of power.
What's wrong with this sentence other than big words bad?

Should we remain celibate like Jesus and love the Church instead of a woman?
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>>23402672
>His disciples said to Him, “If this is the case between a man and his wife, it is better not to marry.” But he said to them, “Not everyone can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.”
>To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single, as I am. But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
don't marry unless you're REALLY horny.
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>>23402723
this
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>>23402672
Jesus never told people to go to church. Jesus was not even pro-organized religion. Jesus only mentions "church" twice, and he's obviously referring to a spiritual community and not any formal institution. Average modern Christians, Catholics especially, fundamentally do not understand the words of the man they claim to worship.
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>>23402672
Yes but most of you are incapable of this so just get married 4head
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>>23402895
Jesus said he was fulfilling the Jewish law that was already there and the Gospel of Luke literally ends with the early Christians worshiping in the Temple. Stupid-ass reddit mentality pretending Jesus was some lazy hippie.

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What's the literary equivalent?
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>>23402533
Hunter S Thompson
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definitely bukowski is the closest lol

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>>23401885
Hemingway has some strong memorable endings; A Farewell to Arms in particular. McCarthy’s The Road I loved as well. Siddhartha. Hamsun’s Mysteries. Kesey’s Sometimes A Great Notion. The epilogue of The Brothers Karamazov, The Idiot as well. The Savage Detectives stuck with me. Lonesome Dove. The Snow Leopard. As I Lay Dying. A bunch more but those are ones that come to mind without much thought
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>>23402190
>Drinking a woman's breast milk hours after the baby died
Honestly fucking based
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>>23402225
Probably the best ending I've read, laughed out loud
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>She walked rapidly in the thin June sunlight towards the worst horror of all.

If you know you know.
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>>23401885
Archimboldi may be my favorite lot character of all time.

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All the idiots that read Heidegger with a metaphysical lens are hamsters in a wheel. Nothingness is Beyng as the negation of metaphysics but is not nothing -- but you.
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>continental philosophy

*Yaw loudly*
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y and i aren't even next to each other
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>>23401409
yeah man, anglos doing math homework, that's where it's really at
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This is not an original take at all. Everyone already knows this.
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>>23401412
its not a typo, friendo

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>Zebra’s can’t be domesticated because blacks couldn’t do it, so therefore white Europeans only became successful because of their geography!
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>>23399995
>unironically does discourage innovation and development - for whatever reason.
Because what's the point? Look at how smart areas are cold/temperate: it's evolution. In Europe you had to be smart and adapt, so the weak and dumb got killed off, leaving the fit and strong.
In warm tropics it's easy to live, so you don't gotta adapt. You STILL see tribes in Africa not because they can't progress, but because they don't need to progress.
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>>23402359
Lol this nigga never heard of an Eskimo
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>>23397755
I dont think Diamond made anyone dumber, I think they were already dumb and he found a solid market niche by confirming their biases
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>>23402359
>>23402332

yeah let's just pretend that egypt and babylonia never happened, nor the indus valley. and also let's pretend that the eskimos, the iroquois and the mohicans were an advanced civilization
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>>23397755
This book does a good job of explaining why some cultures DIDN'T succeed. Doesn't explain why Europe went from a back-water to world dominators in the second millennium.

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>>23401473
Is anyone else concerned she has three legs in this scenario?
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>>23401473
I've had women dedicated a book to me for how much she wanted me

None of you faggots could post proof... I can.
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>>23402849
So post it you homosexual faggot
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>>23402858
I'd have to get out of my comfy computer chair after moving boxes for 8 hours
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>>23402121
What is confession but self affirmation?


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