I think your interest in literature is performative. I think you're a performative reader. I've deemed you a performative reader.
>>25344964You have sexual fantasies about children.
The more I read about this the more I want to go read outside in public. I was already doing that because it's easier for me to focus while out in the open. But the thought, even the slightest possibility, of someone being mad about it fills me with joy. Have my motivations been corrupted? Maybe a little, but I can afford it.
>>25343831I can't be because who the fuck would want to perform being interested in picrel. It's a vagina deterrent.
>>25346405Nonfiction chads are exempt. I think the "performative" thing is more about dudes reading IJ in public places with a pretentious expression on their face
>>25344951Brown
post you're battlestation
>>25346417Glad I'm not the only one who felt this way, reading this shit felt like having a seizure. There's no fucking way any of those replies were written by real people. I'd challenge any one of them to post a screenshot of this thread right now.
>>25346417>>25346421>she's hot>that's not a woman>that's a good image of the real world>that's ai generatedwho to believe?
>>25346417Try generating a bookshelf and see if the ai can create consistent book spines.
>>25346442Well fuck.
>>25346264Are you the same anon who posted the AI-gen picture of the Hegelian e-girl?
What are your favorite American authors and books from the latter half of the 20th century? Have you read the following any of the following authors and if so, what were your general thoughts on them:>John Updike>Joan Didion>Joyce Carol Oates>John Irving>Tom Wolfe>Norman Mailer>Anne Tyler>Philip Roth>Saul Bellow>Bernard MalamurComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>25342743I wish Updike had a little bit more meat on the bone. As it stands all I've read from him wavers in substance but delivers in prose style. Is his entire oeuvre like this?Anyone enjoy Denis Johnson's work btw?
>>25342743>I run away from my home, wife and all because...jesus boomer core
>>25342743>What are your favorite American authors and books from the latter half of the 20th century?John Hawkes is easily my favorite from that bunch; his book Second Skin is the bomb diggity. I'd also highly recommend>Mary Lee Settle- Blood Tie>Wallace Stegner- Crossing to SafetyAnd plenty of good but lesser books, or books you've already heard of and that don't need me bringing them up.Of the guys on your list, OP, I've read a lone Bellow and it was okay. Frankly none of those guys has much appeal to me right now. There were many different currents flowing at that time and place, and I'm much more drawn to the smaller names.
For me it's Chester Himes, Donald Goines and most importantly Iceberg Slim for Pimp. Sure it's more of a memoirs than a work of fiction but reading it at 16 illuminated me on the state of women and helped me never get emotionally hustled by them, unlike my peers
Do you guys consider stuff like Geek Love or Actual Air to be part of the same post-ww2 but pre-21st century grouping that OP's list comprises, or is it something else entirely? I think it's too sentimental and "rudimentary" to really accord with writers like Mailer, Roth, Didion, etc.
>one of the ugliest, most dysgenic mutants you've ever seen>signed a petition to legalize pedophilia in France>"Authoritarianism is le bad because it won't allow me to fuck kids. I support Mao, BTW.">one of the left's biggest heroes and influencesReally makes me think.
>>25345858> I simply stated that a communist state will nationalise that land from anon and his brotherNo. You said they would divide it up out of sheer envy. Which doesn't make sense if the land is supposed to be used for ranching anyway and doubly so because why would division be motivated by envy. Of course they would nationalise it though because that's literally what communism is. >They will do this out of envy and contempt for self-sufficient people.As I said. Rightoid freaks should stop projecting their emotional motivations onto others. I mentioned brown people because that's another instance of the position of rightoid freaks building their worldview from sheer emotion, in this case that emotion being hatred. You may find it surprising but normal people are not entirely driven by envy and hatred, unlike weirdos such as yourself.
>>25345620>Not fucking South AfricaIt's Zimbabwe, not South Africa you midwit.
>>25345572Somebody sic Alex Rosen on this nigga.
>>25345745Being brown is just part of the package. Even brown countries and East-Asian countries have normalized "skin whitening" makeup, because lighter skin is just seen as more attractive. We also hate them for their low-IQ, impulsive violence, lack of hygiene, disrespect for animals and nature, and for the simple fact that them being of a different language/culture/tribe is inherently harmful to a high-trust society. You'd be hard-pressed to find anybody, Whites, East-Asians, or even Africans, who likes Indian people.When I say "brown" I'm using a shorthand descriptor for all the stuff listed above.
>>25345881Also the narco gangs having huge stockpiles of guns to terrorize unarmed civilians with. They captured entire city blocks, and nobody could do anything about it. The state officials get bribed with drug money to look the other way. Funny how after Maduro got yoinked, suddenly the Venezuelans are playing ball and allowing us to drone-strike cartel leaders in their backyard.
So what is the central impetus behind writing and reading novels? Is the writer trying to impart some moral lesson? It seems to be a fine line between that and merely illustrating an uncritical portrait of the human condition.I suppose what I'm asking is, when someone writers fiction, what are they trying to do with the story?
>>25344007form vs content is a very awkward distinction. but without getting into that debacle, the "content" should be original and internally harmonious too. in theory, you could write great stories about anything.like all art at its best, good literature is not about generalities. artistic value comes from particularity. characters for example have depth when they're fleshed out with detail, nuance, idiosyncrasies, not when they're reduced to symbols for ideas.
>>25344174>If there is a moral lesson, it should emerge as a natural extension of the story. An author that shoehorns in ethical concerns is little more than a propagandist.This sounds like an issue of subtlety and degree rather than of kind.
Tragedies and dramas, which purport to portray the world and human condition just as they are, in some sense are advocating against the behaviors and actions they depict, no? Depending if the character is a moral exemplar, in which case the world is the bad actor and cause of the calamitous conclusion -- thus suggesting the world ought to change, so like Antigone or The Trial, or if not, if the character's woes are self-inflicted, then suggesting against becoming like the person, like Macbeth or Moby-Dick.Every depiction contains advocation or denunciation of a position, I suppose is my point.
>>25344618You’re not wrong, at least if we define literature in the broadest possible terms. But if we’re talking specifically about the literary arts, there is a distinction between whether an author approaches their work with a pointed moral intent, or whether they cannot help but produce a work out of which arises a complex and nuanced moral discourse. I’m not interested in the author’s ethical concerns, I want to know how they unconsciously animated those concerns via the work itself. It’s the difference between storytelling as proselytising, and stories that require no proselytisation to be effective. Of course this is all tied up with the problems in determining the author’s true intent. But I think we can all tell when a work’s moral concerns feel timeless and universal, and when the work is beating us over the head with a specific moralistic cudgel.
>>25337535>But what are they trying to express with those stories?If that could be properly expressed in a 4chan post an author wouldn't need 200+ pages.I see it as the author attempting to guide your feelings/sentiment along a specific path to setup a more amorphous emotion. If you don't feel something when you finish a fiction novel than the author failed. The interesting thing that arises is that through their different experiences and knowledge a reader can easily arrive at a different destination that the author intended, sometimes even the exact opposite.
What's the point of writing anything at this point? It really does seem like the literature age has ended.
Ten thousand people is a bigger audience than any writer before 1800s ever had in their lifetime, maybe Shakespeare had more, but it's cheating to be playwright for a whole capital city. In Second Sophistic they had to travel around Rome to personally find an audience.It has always been an elite activity, 19th - 20th century was the exception.
>>25344659True artists will still pursue their calling, regardless of their prospects of acclaim.Dilettantes, meanwhile, will whine like bitches and lose their motivation.
Kys frogposter
>>25344659what is the ‘literature age’? 800BC - 1967?frogposter iq
>>25344659What was the age of literature? Many of the books people praise come from ages where only a sliver of the population was literate to begin with. By pure demographics there are more lotebtial readers now than there have ever been. In history. At any moment. The biggest problem for wannabe authors isn’t a lack of readers but a flooded market.
Currently, I'm reading ebooks on my Ipad, but the constant backlight and the LCD screen is giving me eye strain. I decided to get an ereader like one of Amazon's Kindles or Kobo. Any recommendations? I don't think I need a color version because I only read text and not comic books. I'm looking for something on the small size like the 6 inch Kobo Clara BW. Advice?
What is something decent and cheap I can grab off ebay? Probably another Paperwhite is what I am unfortunately thinking.The microUSB port on mine is wearing out but this is after around a decade of literal near-daily usage. So it does hold up well. And I never use the internet but if I bought a used one and reformatted it, I'm sure I would have to update it to whatever the current firmware is.Fuck.
>>25345024>I'm sure I would have to update it to whatever the current firmware is.Why is that a problem?
>>25344506>Kobo Clara BW!>!Are you a woman?
>>>>6inch I made myself a cardboard cutout to get a feel and holy shit why are you guys reading on on such a small display? Why not 7.8 inch or at least 7? >>25344506>>25345961I had the same thought lol
>>25345175I'd like to convert whatever I get to koreader if possible/needed, and I don't want to get stuck on whatever current shit that may prevent me from being able to modify my ereader.
What a faggot
>>25345445Explain yourself, son.
jewish?
>Hmm... what to name my main character>Well... he is both a warrior and a healer>And even in the dark world he lives in, he tries to live my a moral code to protect the weak and innocent and uphold some sense of honor>And he helps re-found an old knightly order that draws divine power from taking and upholding oaths>Yes! I've got it! "Kaladin!" You've done it again, Brandon!
>>25345674The fuck >>25342381
>>25342381Marvel capeshit tier writing
>>25342381>Not because he had to. Not because the situation forced him into it.Wait, is this GPT 5?
>>25345741probably not, GPT 5 came out 2025 and the book was released 2024.
>>25345793GPT had to get its extremely grating from somewhere.
Literally how did he predict our present so well? Predicted our total escape from thinking and solitude and flight into television and disassociative drugs and sex.
>>25346353you're not very good at the whole thinking thing, are you
>>25346360The haggard millennial bested by someone half his age continues to vaguepost for lack of working mental faculties. Very sad.
>the guy who still doesn't know the difference between appeal to popularity and appeal to authority >smart
>>25344157>image attacking several jew writers>you're the jew not me>how do you do fellow goyim
>>25342471A lot of these books aren't even that bad, you just know you're dealing with some podcast junkie or an ex-gamer-porn addict when someone thinks they're the most high IQ books ever.
Okay unironically WHAT is this nigga even trying to say
>>25346185>MMORPG with a Fourier Transformer that translates energies (information) between essences (monads).God spoke of this.
>>25346200And if you really want to blow your mind, adopt a Phenomenology of God.Try seeing through His Eyes...
>>25346268>Try seeing through His Eyes...kek
>>25339835He fucked it up. Guaranteed.
>>25339835I'm from the future, Husserl and Kierkegaard become very philosophically relevant soon.
Want to be better writer? Stop reading classics. Bam!
Ugh... Infodumping... And they don't even have clearly defined character arcs...
>>25345907Are the classics anything beyond infodumping, cliches, descriptions, mediocre white male tears, sexism and racism?
They don't show, they tell, and the characters, so comically good OR evil, not the complicated grey of our morality, and the purple prose, sheeesh! and WHERE is my knotting?!
*successful, not better.
ye olde: >>25323801>Recommended reading charts (look here before asking for vague recommendations):https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg
>>25346210holy shit he's literally asking fucking llms look at this dood
>>25346170Share pls?
>>25346216Your comment only warranted an AI response.
>>25346210Pagespammer is evolving.
>>25346170Don't keep it to yourself anon, we need to take matters into our own hands since the mods don't want to clean this place up.
Redolent in the air was the scent of heroin being smoked and shit wafting into the living room from the rectangular hole where there used to be a bathroom door. Crack rock crackled in a hash pipe and someone was doing a line of speed off the round table; the mensa, thought Damien Fogarty. Around this mensa those who floated had a yellowish pallor similar to the paint on the walls between the graffiti. When the front door was smashed in by a single kick, the crackhead was the first to react.“Fuck, lads. What the fuck is this?”A can of Guinness was thrown quickly on the floor and the open window was the escape route. Many, at least those who lived, would recall never having seen a person move so fast and fluidly. But as they clamoured towards the open window, hurley sticks smashed them with a calculated randomness. A blow across the temple left one of them on the ground, blood leaking from their nostrils. His head was later stomped on, but the fire would remove all trace of that. A woman was next to make it out of the window, and she was the owner of the ground floor flat. She didn’t look back. As a young man, the youngest in the group at twenty-three, was beaten about the head with a hammer, Damien Fogarty made his own escape through the smashed front door. As he spilled out onto the street he could see people stopping and gasping at the building. Flames licked the sides of the walls and rose up like some liquid defying gravity. Two men with balaclavas on rushed out and were on the back of an electric bike before the onlookers even had their phones out. Inside, screams like Damien had never heard before rang shrilly into his ears, and a figure emerged engulfed in orange, red, and yellow.
>>25344164Your text?
Any literature on the subject of androgyny, especially its role in ancient times or cults. I recently read Plato's Symposium which has that famous passage about the original hermaphrodites, and some years ago I read Artaud's Heliogabalus which has numerous description of rituals regarding the unification of masculine and feminine principles, the role of Emperor Heliogabalus as its earthly manifestation, and things like that. Essays are good, I vaguely remember Mircea Eliade having something on the subject but I'm not sure. Works of fiction are good too; I guess something like Euripides' Bacchae would nicely fit the description.So, well, anything on the subject is appreciated
At first Pan is like, nooooo, nooooo Hermaphroditus I don't want youBut then over 1500 years later...
>>253455202 become 1, put it on, put it onI see the old Goat changed it's mind
>>25343261https://mangafire.to/read/mee-chan-no-himitsu.0mvjr/en/chapter-0
Elemire Zolla's The Androgyne
>>25343261>I vaguely remember Mircea Eliade having something on the subjectMephistopheles and the Androgyne.
