I've never seen this book being discussed here.
>>25470100The man looks like the guy from Suits.Germans used to write normal fiction pre-WW2. Anything post-WW2 was garbage nonsense about war, philosophy, or other serious stuff. Most of the blame is on the publishers. Because translated foreign novels and short stories sell just fine.
>>25470100That cover is mind-numblingly anachronistic.
>>25470100It's really good, but it's overshadowed by Mann's later, more ambiguous novels.
>AI hallucinates Jeetas into your imagewie Poesie
Just finished Moby Dick, my God the tangents this book goes on, it's insane.>Hello it's me, Ishmael, I want to write about how this crazy captain's maniacal hunt for a giant fuckass whale>It was really traumatic and at the end everyone fucking died and I am the lone survivor >Also let me spend some time debunking contemporary depiction of whales>Oh and you ought to know the size of a whale in details>Let's explore historical accounts about whales!>Top ten reasons why a whale is actually a fish and not a mammal (and that's a good thing)>Also saint George was probably a whaler and he slew a whale instead of a dragon, let's be honest here folks >Did you know that white things are cool? let me list a few cool white things, like the albatross!Anyway, What did (you) think of Moby dick? I liked it a lot when it was focused on the story.Do you guys have any other maritime book suggestion? Nothing Paul Conrad I already read a bunch of his stuff.It really is true that men yearns for the sea. Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
I always felt that Ahab's desire for revenge being over his missing leg was a bit lame. I wish Moby Dick had killed Ahab's son instead and that's why he wanted revenge.
>>25470092I think that's half the point, to me the white whale symbolizes those unreasonable grudges that don't let men sleep at night. There's also an element of escapism as Ahab at one point starts ranting about how miserable a life he had whaling for decades, so maybe he goes on the hunt because revenge is thing he has to look forward to in life.
I also recently finished it and I loved all of those tangents. On one hand the narrator is hunting for whales, and criticising his captains obsession with revenge, yet he has his own utterly autistic obsession bordering on romantic love for whales. I also thought his voice was very funny, sneering at scientists or artists who in his opinion dont fully understand the whale like he does. I also loved that chapter where he tells a story of another ship, but this time hes telling the story, as he told it to his friends while sitting in a bar in Argentina. So your no longer on the whales but sitting in some spic cafe, being interrupted by his friends lively intersections and disbelief. I thought was a really cool tool. Anyway, Cormac Mccarthy made me want to become.a good writer. Melville made me realise I could never be a good writer.
P.s - Maritime book recommendation
>>25470219> I also thought his voice was very funny, sneering at scientists or artists who in his opinion dont fully understand the whale like he does. I also loved that chapter where he tells a story of another ship, but this time hes telling the story, as he told it to his friends while sitting in a bar in Argentina. So your no longer on the whales but sitting in some spic cafe, being interrupted by his friends lively intersections and disbelief.Chapter 54: The Town Ho’s StoryTown…Ho… nahhhh I’m dead, the double entendre goes hard, ay Melville got jokes I’m ngl :skull emoji:
I've been considering enrolling in one of those creative writing masters provided by UK universities. Does anyone have experience taking one of these? Was it worth your time? Was it worth the money? Did you learn anything useful?The one I'm interested in specifically is a 2 year course by the University of Hull. I'm seriously desperate and at my rope's end need to figure out what to do with my life and literature is my passion.
>>25466101Mostly going to be people talking out of their asses on here, and has been so far. I also don't have any experience, but I've heard what sound like reasonable complaints about creative writing programs, mostly as some extension of them being writing-by-committee. The pressure to write consistently, like you mentioned wanting, is one positive thing I've heard, but there are other avenues you can use for that; my tactic is to write stuff for a literary open mic that happens regularly near me, and you could just as well search for magazines up your alley and push yourself to submit regularly.Do you actually want to make a career out of writing? Or do you just to improve as a writer? What do you really want out of it?This is an article (i.e. blog post, i.e. list of complaints) you might find interesting:>https://www.discordiareview.com/p/how-to-fix-creative-writing-educationand they've got a bunch of posts on writing in general (or complaints about their local scene or MFAs or whatever) that are pretty good.>https://www.discordiareview.com/p/your-poetry-sucks-the-heel-manifesto>https://www.discordiareview.com/p/bulldoze-the-mfa-programs
>>25466255those are all happening outside of my housemy house is my safe space from the worldps. it's an apartment
>>25466101It's only worth it if you study under someone who knows their shit. Look into who heads up the writing program at your local university. See what they've accomplished, read some of what they've written, and judge for yourself if you think they have anything to offer you.
>>25466848stupid faggot
>>25466101The UK keeps copying american grifts.
thoughts on my retarded shit /lit/ards? Any solid advice would be appreciated
>>25470197>ever dreamed of" read the mural wall>The images of the atrocity spread world wide and the written mandate by government set the bounty of the two men ten million a piece>and and and and and>no commasWhy do people who don't read bother writing at all? Don't they realize how obvious it is that they don't read?>thoughts on my retarded shitIt's pretty retarded>Any solid advice would be appreciatedPut down the half-skimmed McCarthy, spend more time reading. You're making elementary, clumsy mistakes on a sentence level. Everything sounds stilted and forced. Shoot for 50 pages a day, every day, for at least a year. Then try writing another draft>inb4 no I wanted real actual adviceThat is real, actual advice.
This reads like the shitty draft of a grade 10 writing project shit out like an hour before deadline. There is literally nothing here worth reading. I wouldn't even know how to fix it because it's not worth being fixed. Start over, or find a new hobby.
>>25470205Thank you I would consider myself a pretty avid reader but I am quite young and even younger writer, I mostly need the direction
So it's a bunch of emaciated gremlins and a cthulu monster? Why is he obligated to feed them? What are they going to do?
>>25470177I actually loved this story but it frightened me a bit.
I wasnt sure if i should take this to /mu/ or not but I was listening to "i dont give a fuck" by Eminem and I really enjoyed the the song, his rhyme scheme and his lyrics so I immediately tried writing in the same vain. Please pick apart my version and help me make it better. Song for reference:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RtFR0yof930
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>>25467873You kidding? You need no help my nigga, them bars are fire
>>25468703Thanks anon I appreciate that a lot. Ive never tried writing before
Taking this thread to /mu/. Mods pls delete
What should kids read this year?
>>25469785yes this is good for white kids
>>25469785>School is starting againNot for another two weeks.
>>25469785two more weeks
>>25469785guenon or evola
Is it the best adaptation of Shakespeare or Macbeth for that matter.
No it isn’t.
>>25469577>of Shakespeare or Macbeth for that matterShakespeare and Macbeth should be flipped in that sentence. You're low IQ so your opinions on such things are invalid.
>>25469577I present to you the best Hamlet adaptation (it’s basically Hamlet but with Rosencratz and guilderstein as main characters).https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2pacru8ve9k&pp=ygUUU3RyYW5nZSBicmV3IHRyYWlsZXI%3D&ra=m
>>25469837>Hamlet but with Rosencratz and guilderstein as main charactersRosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead
>>25469577Fassbender's Macbeth is better.
Jack Vance EditionFAQ:>What is worldbuilding?Worldbuilding is the process of creating entire fictional worlds from scratch, all while considering the logistics of these worlds to make them as believable as possible. Worldbuilding asks questions about the setting of a world, and then answers them, often in great detail. Most people use it as a means of creating a setting or the scenery for a story.>"Isn't there a Worldbuilding general in >>>/tg/ already?"Yes, there is. However, that general is focused on the creation of fictional worlds for the intended purpose of playing TTRPG campaigns. Here you can discuss worldbuilding projects that are not meant to be used for a roleplaying setting, but for novels, videogames, or any other kind of creative project.>"Can I discuss the setting of my campaign here, though?"If you want to, but it would probably be better to discuss it on >>>/tg/ . We don't allow the discussion of TTRPG mechanics, however. If you want to discuss stats or which D&D edition is best, this is not the place.>"Can I talk about an existing fictional setting that is not mine?"Yes, of course you can!>"Does worldbuilding need to be about fantasy and elves?"Worldbuilding, as already stated above, and contrary to what many believe, does not inherently imply blatantly copying Tolkien. In fact, there are many science-fiction setting out there, and even entire alternative history settings which do not possess supernatural elements at all. Any kind of science fiction book has an implied setting at least, which involves a certain degree of worldbuilding put into it.Old thread: No idea lol.
>>25465450>it's unclear if the 400 km is supposed to be the diameter, the radius, or the length.I'm so sorry, it was supposed to be the radius. Length is around 900 km or so.Regarding the threshold of perceptible gravity, I just want to write the line "big enough to have its own gravity well", so just enough that it can be perceived without weird sensors.
>Almost the entire human race lives in space colonies.>Earth has been stripped of all of its resources. Even the oceans have been drained.>However, it's still the only habitable planet in the universe, so whatever remained of it was converted into a VAST suburban sprawl for wealthy retirees and high earning families. >90% of the working class lives harsh, precarious lives of abundance, peace, and never ending economic growth. Almost nobody has ever eaten anything grown in the dirt, or saw a starry sky (even if said star is the sun), or really ever seen anything that is neither manmade nor a resource. Not very romantic, is it? And yet they live better than our richest oligarchs and billionaires.
>>25468632What story or point are you trying to make?
>>25470035That trying for utopia is counterproductive, people will always hate the world they live in and desire more.A true hero doesn't negotiate with such people, he just kills them.
>>25470067I see.Setting is thematically relevant and has conflict built in.Just a matter of pulling it off in a actual story.
>be me, junior year>holy fuck my friend gave me a gift, how sweet>friend is a little bit of a fake smart-person who obsesses over kafka and osamu dazai, but whatever>take it home>sitting in living room next to fire place>open it>atlas shrugged>look at fireplace, genuinely consider burning it>the thought was niceatlas shrugged is one of the worst things i've ever had the displeasure of reading. the characters are not characters but tools rand uses to debate philosophy, some of which give speeches for 70 fucking pages---- which, by the way, is a literal summary of everything the book has already been talking about. the villains that she writes don't get a single intelligent argument and are written as bumblefucks standing with their dick in their hand. not even to mention the worst part about it: the same four fucking points repeated and repeated and repeated over and over and over again. thousands of pages for four bullet points. can someone explain what the appeal is???
>>25467226>You, specifically, can't talk about it because you, specifically, are treating it as the only country that matters while not being AmericanNope. I used an example from the US because data is more readily available. You tried to argue "America isn't the only country" because you're a libtard who hates the US. When you found out I wasn't American you tried to argue I can't talk about the US because all you can do is parrot things you've already seen. This is because you're an NPC. >I wouldn't apply that standard to some rando. We're strangers on the internet, retard. That's the definition of "rando". >Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with right wingersThey not only constantly have to deal with NPC retards like you but also have to watch as you convince yourselves that you're fighting an uphill battle against the system as you aggressively parrot exactly what your overlords want you to parrot, lol. >they're baffled when people suggest they should be held to their own standardsYour standard of a woman involves them having penises. You're an idiot.
>>25467580>and every relevant individual socialist is actively hostile to Christianity.>KEEP THINKING ABOUT MARX, GOYIM>WE PUT A LOTTA MONEY INTA THET YIDShut the fuck up, faggot. The emerging philosophy of materialism and the way Marx ran with it has influenced more than just socialists. ALL liberal-capitalists are openly hostile to Christianity. Yeah. All three faiths believe in a utopian future.But only Christianity and Socialism believe we should do this through love and respect for one another. Liberalism is just about money money money. Materialists even when they're "christians"
>>25461727spoken like somoene who has a very sensual penis
>>25469262the other woman may be an idiot. At least they have more of arguments than ad hominems
>>25470101>crying about insults on the internet I use equal amounts of both. Cry about it, fag.
Give me your worst
Shut up gay faggot you can't turn me gay I like women I am straight I want to stick my penis in a vagina not an asshole you will never make me hate women
>>25469359If anything you have to psyop yourself into not hating women nowadays. The crystal-clear view into their psyche through the internet and social media makes it nearly impossible not to hate the modern woman. It really is a problem. I have completely checked out of dating because I’m so jaded and I don’t know how to get back into it. I’d ask for a book rec for this feel but a book good enough to really get into the weeds of it all would undoubtedly be from a time before the modern internet and would therefore be mostly irrelevant in the face of what the modern woman has become.
>>25469359Jesus Christ this is some next-level simpingIt’s ok to make fun of women, bro. In fact it’s quite enjoyable
>>25469359This >>25470106. Not being able to point and laugh when you see one of them have an obvious woman moment takes away from the enjoyment of women itself. Woman moments are some of the funniest things in existence and most of the time they make women more endearing.
>>25469359Bravo, you filthy caveman. You’re clearly simple-minded, but that doesn’t change the fact that it is concerning to see the literary industry propped up on life support by vile texts rooted in rape and bestiality fantasies. It speaks volumes regarding the psychology of the women consuming such material, and if you really are as heterosexual as you would like us to believe, perhaps the state of these women and their disturbed psychology should raise concern if one has to interact with them regularly.
>age>the last book you finished and what you thought of it>the current book you're reading and what you think of it
>>25469036Literally my brother lol. He got off the Sanderson ride but is liking James Clavell's stuff. Like me, he's finished Shogun and Tai-pan and we both need to read the next one
>>25467559>A Short Stay In HellI read that after seeing your post. I thought the prose was good and I thought it the right length for what it was. "Evil fiction" can be fun but it's best to not overdue it. After a certain point, depictions of hell and torture get to be too much. There's a fine line between bone-chilling horror fiction and just straight up torture porn.>You think THAT version of hell is bad? Well this story depicts a hell where every single neuron in your brain is experiencing the maximum amount of pain it can register. But every micro second, your mental capacity to experience pain and register thought multiplies, increasing your pain threshold. This will go on for TREE3 times Graham's Number times Googleplex universe lifecycles. And then the REAL hell starts.
>>25469002You're a bad person
>>25462199the very based anon
31Eminince in the shadow volume 3, was funnyEminince in shadow volume 4, also funny, my wife looks at me weird when I start breaking out in laughter
I'm downsizing my personal library, I want my shelves to feel less cluttered. Which books would /lit/ consider must keeps and what should be gotten rid of immediately?
>>25463799This is the worst collection I've seen posted in here, very impressive, congratulations.Keep Carlyle's Past and Present, the KJV Bible, Moby dick, capitalist realism, crime and punishment, the middle shelf in here >>25463725 and just dispose of everything else
>>25463702this is one of the most reddit bookshelves I've seen in my life and I've seen some shit.
>>25469416no, throw away capitalism realism. Mark Fisher is satan.
>>25463702If you're over 18 I'd be very surprised to find out you're not a troon
>>25469917I am a twenty-three year old bisexual male. I am dating a transgender man though
Jesus fucking Christ. The whole thing was a nothing burger? It was all just a smear campaign? wtf lmao. Who the hell did this guy piss off?You think the big publishing houses will still publish his upcoming book or is he banished forever despite the accusations turning out to be nothing? Also, he had access to prime alt baddies but destroyed his career for a bunch uggos? Another reason never to give foids the time of day, especially when you're already married like goddamn bro. Except maybe Kendra Stout. I get why he got lured by that semen demon. She can get the D, if you know what I mean.
>>25468271kek
>>25469040New Zealand was held up because Palmer refused cooperation and they couldn't compel her. When the victim sued in the US (where they could compel Palmer and Gayman both) the kiwi kourt waited to see what they'd rule and just hoped they wouldn't have to think about it anymoreThe US's ruling is the worst of all worlds because now nothing will be done. The US can't claim general jurisdiction because NZ is a first world country with a accepted justice system. NZ can't pursue its criminal case because they require Palmer and Gaiman and there's not enough current evidence to compel extradition. NZ can't also pursue a civil case for the same reasons and their civil courts are very weak, which is what the victim has herself admitted - they'd be able to get her personal help, but not damages and they can't bring Gayman to justiceNeither Gayman nor Palmer can ever enter New Zealand again, but does that matter? Yet also they'll never be able to clear the stink off their names, everyone knows their guilty and they got away with it due to a international law technicality.
>>25469422>New Zealand was held up because Palmer refused cooperation and they couldn't compel her.>everyone knows their guilty and they got away with it due to a international law technicalityThe person accusing someone of committing a crime refused to follow through on her accusations and the person who was accused of the crime didn't flee but provided as much evidence about the case as he could...She chose to go cry on a podcast instead and people just buy it because "believe all women" or whatever.
>>25469854You'd think that the people who had to "follow through" were the cops, prosecutors, etc. and not the victims.
>>25470007you're just being stupid now
More like The Mid Gatbsy
Gatsby might be my most disliked book that I've ever finished. Maybe I should read it as an adult though.
Fitzgerald was always incredibly uneven, owing to his lifestyle and the pace at which he wrote. But his finest, like Gatsby--which he labored years to complete--and some of the short stories, are the finest in American literature and put putative masters like Steinbeck deep in the shade.
>>25469472Steinbeck is great at painting a picture with his prose but Fitzgerald in my opinion is better at writing characters. The characters in The Great Gatsby feel like they could have really existed while East of Eden feels like they are serving the setting and themes of the story rather than having their own independent lives.
>>25467451the GG book had a reference to Stoddards Rising Tide of Color
>>25469758Wow. Just as retarded as he made it sound.
