Should the entire book be read in 6 weeks?

>>25387397
Don't stress about every single detail, just pay attention to whose perspective it is for each chapter and abbreviations. Have 3 bookmarks. Footnotes are truly optional.

>>25387458
Good advice, yes, can get caught up with the heavy wording and lack of paragraphing.

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Brain of the New World, what a task is thine,
To formulate the Modern—out of the peerless grandeur of the modern,
Out of thyself, comprising science, to recast poems, churches, art,
(Recast, maybe discard them, end them—maybe their work is done, who knows?)
By vision, hand, conception, on the background of the mighty past, the dead,
To limn with absolute faith the mighty living present.

And yet thou living present brain, heir of the dead, the Old World brain,
Thou that lay folded like an unborn babe within its folds so long,
Thou carefully prepared by it so long—haply thou but unfoldest it, only maturest it,
It to eventuate in thee—the essence of the by-gone time contain'd in thee,
Its poems, churches, arts, unwitting to themselves, destined with reference to thee;
Thou but the apples, long, long, long a-growing,
The fruit of all the Old ripening to-day in thee.

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Nay, do not dream, designer dark,
Thou hast portrayed or hit thy theme entire;
I, hoverer of late by this dark valley, by its confines, having glimpses of it,
Here enter lists with thee, claiming my right to make a symbol too.
For I have seen many wounded soldiers die,

After dread suffering—have seen their lives pass off with smiles;
And I have watch'd the death-hours of the old; and seen the infant die;
The rich, with all his nurses and his doctors;
And then the poor, in meagerness and poverty;
And I myself for long, O Death, have breath'd my every breath
Amid the nearness and the silent thought of thee.

And out of these and thee,
I make a scene, a song (not fear of thee,

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>>25387214
>When Lilacs Last In The Dooryard Bloom'd
sad one. seems kind of uncharacteristic for him but I haven’t read that much of his work. I liked it a lot. also this part
>I saw the debris and debris of all the slain soldiers of the war,
>But I saw they were not as was thought,
>They themselves were fully at rest, they suffer’d not,
>The living remain’d and suffer’d, the mother suffer’d,
made me kek thinking about that infamous hilary clinton quote about women and children being the primary victims of war. although I think he meant it differently, in that the suffering of the dead has ended.

>>25387214
>The Sleepers
maybe my least favorite of the ones I’ve read, but not because it’s bad at all. I enjoyed it. it just seemed very similar to song of myself but less ambitious.

I also read O Captain My Captain and it’s a huge departure from all the others I’ve read and not just because it rhymes but also because of the specificity of the subject. I really liked it though. I think I like poems that rhyme better than those that don’t, generally speaking.

>>25386227
>requires Hegelian dialectic to purportedly, or perhaps 'eloquently', dismiss Hegelian dialectic.
>best case scenario is a paradox which still qualifies.
>Stirner takes the irrational route and is forced to claim the others, young Hegelians in his time or egoists any other time, are still not separated enough from religion.
>either you accept Stirner's conclusion you're just meat puppet that has to do something about all your bullshit or you can go for an insurrection of 1 and turn out just like Stirner.

Bravo, you apparently spooked yourself.

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>>25387334
If you can reach that level of society wide voluntary egoism then the refutation to Stirner would be worth it and you get to be somewhere on the Marxist spectrum. >No spooks required.

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>>25387342
>Marxist spectrum
Spook

>>25387357
In Stirner's own words:
>I do not limit myself to one feeling for men, but give free play to all that I am capable of. I can love, love with a full heart, and let the most consuming glow of passion burn in my heart, without taking the beloved one for anything else than the nourishment of my passion, on which it ever refreshes itself anew.

Unable to define yourself as man, unable to define yourself as god, the stirner must slurp the spooks of men.

>judgement free zone. I'm not interested.

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>You really did bomb a funeral, Ender.

>Author is a Mormon
>His works are full of incest
Hmmmm....

>>25387244
They're children but autistic so they talk like Isaac Asimov or Frank Herbert characters. I remember reading Children of Dune and thinking "omg Leto and Ghanima are just like Peter and Valentine" and it even had long stretches of nothing happening like Xenocide.

>>25387345
You are a demon

>>25387420
Nah, you're just another faggot-assed /pol/ brain who's ventured outside of his hugbox board.

>>25383642
What kind of questions?

>>25383592
Anon said "as ... sound as possible". That doesn't mean he wants unsound philosophy but that his primary emphasis isn't on soundness itself. Continentals might place greater emphasis on the integration of diverse forms of experience, hence their frequent references to literature and the other arts, which don't necessarily produce the soundest of arguments (how can one speak of apodicticity in a reading of Kafka?) but that are nevertheless true (or perhaps 'true enough').

>>25383648
phenomenological questions, mayhaps

what are you guys reading right now?

>>25386370
David Lewis

Probably not.

Cool find, had no idea Defoe wrote something like that. All I got at the flea market was sexually assaulted.

>>25386590
>All I got at the flea market was sexually assaulted
I wanted to say that I'm sorry about that, and that if you come back it won't happen again

why would i read a book about jolly old englad written by the green goblin?

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>>25387170
I feel like it's calling for me. Whispering in my ear from the bookshelf to read it

>>25386428
Start with whatever seems most interesting

[…] bleed in the club

>>25386528
>isn't curious about everything and doesn't see the interconnectedness of all subjects
i've got some news for you, lad...

>>25387011
Just pick a random book from your selection

>>25387084
He's not wrong for the most part.

>>25386878
The guy who is posting these threads larps as a woman to write romance slop

>>25387178
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>>25387015
it's redundant but in the other direction. "always the same" strictly implies that it is familiar but "familiar" would not by itself strictly imply that it was always the same. it could mean that, but a dream could also be recognizable as a variation on a familiar theme without being identical to previous dreams.

>>25386873
>retard this retard that
Did he just do a heckin hate crime? On the blue bird website? How is this allowed?

Then Moses spoke to the heads of the tribes of the Israelites, saying, “This is what the LORD has commanded. When a man makes a vow to the LORD or swears an oath to bind himself by a pledge, he shall not break his word; he shall do according to all that proceeds out of his mouth.
“When a woman makes a vow to the LORD or binds herself by a pledge while within her father’s house, in her youth, and her father hears of her vow or her pledge by which she has bound herself and says nothing to her, then all her vows shall stand, and any pledge by which she has bound herself shall stand. But if her father overrules her at the time that he hears of it, no vow of hers and no pledge by which she has bound herself shall stand, and the LORD will forgive her because her father overruled her.
“If she marries, while obligated by her vows or any thoughtless utterance of her lips by which she has bound herself, and her husband hears of it and says nothing to her at the time that he hears, then her vows shall stand, and her pledges by which she has bound herself shall stand. But if, at the time that her husband hears of it, he overrules her, then he shall nullify the vow by which she was obligated or the thoughtless utterance of her lips by which she bound herself, and the LORD will forgive her. (But every vow of a widow or of a divorced woman, by which she has bound herself, shall be binding upon her.) And if she made a vow in her husband’s house or bound herself by a pledge with an oath and her husband heard it and said nothing to her and did not overrule her, then all her vows shall stand, and any pledge by which she bound herself shall stand. But if her husband nullifies them at the time that he hears them, then whatever proceeds out of her lips concerning her vows or concerning her pledge shall not stand. Her husband has nullified them, and the LORD will forgive her. Any vow or any binding oath to humble herself, her husband may allow to stand or her husband may nullify. But if her husband says nothing to her from day to day, then he validates all her vows or all her pledges by which she is obligated; he has validated them because he said nothing to her at the time that he heard of them. But if he nullifies them some time after he has heard of them, then he shall bear her guilt.”
These are the statutes that the LORD commanded Moses concerning a husband and his wife and a father and his daughter while she is still young and in her father’s house.
(Numbers 30:1-16 NRSVue)

>>25385371
It's the edition where academics are most likely to have been influenced by peak woke so just go with the 5th or even 4th.

>>25385371
Why would you not just read the KJV
There’s no point to reading any of this modern shit

>>25387123
KJV is good from a literarily standpoint because of its flowerery language but it is not the best for understanding what the biblical authors actually meant. I am not a KJV-Onlyist

>>25386911
Yeah the 4th edition from 2010 is available for free as a PDF file on the internet archive. 5th edition from 2018 I have a hardcover edition of. This sixth edition was a highly anticipated release in the AcademicBiblical field of study, to see if this is better than the SBL Study bible that also uses the NRSVue.

>>25386124
that's a lot of words to cope about your rootless existence, dominique

>>25386328
A bit ironic from a retard that spent his weekend trying to prove the french language was rooted in english kek

>>25386376
Learn to read

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>high culture, high status, high IQ Anglos and Germans
>"we wuz French and shieet"
>mostly true, both racially, and more importantly in terms of society, laws, institutions, cultural forms and overwhelming French influence over 1500 years
>low culture, low status, low IQ Anglos and Germans
>we have nothing in common with France, which are inferior swarthoids, we never got francized, and even if we did it's all true Nordic common things copied by France or only present there because of the 1% ancestry of present France that lived beyond the Weser in antiquity, even elements developed later there
>delusional narratives to explain away reality with vague references to reconstructed mythology or state-enforced imperialist propaganda from 1900
Why are they like this?

^ Seething ^

>>25380468
>Thenceforward, he sat all day over the fire in the private room, gnawing his nails; there he dined, sitting alone with his fears, the waiter visibly quailing before his eye; and thence, when the night was fully come, he set forth in the corner of a closed cab, and was driven to and fro about the streets of the city. He, I say—I cannot say, I. That child of Hell had nothing human; nothing lived in him but fear and hatred. And when at last, thinking the driver had begun to grow suspicious, he discharged the cab and ventured on foot, attired in his misfitting clothes, an object marked out for observation, into the midst of the nocturnal passengers, these two base passions raged within him like a tempest. He walked fast, hunted by his fears, chattering to himself, skulking through the less frequented thoroughfares, counting the minutes that still divided him from midnight. Once a woman spoke to him, offering, I think, a box of lights.[matches] He smote her in the face, and she fled.

what's with all the niggers here reposting passages without assigning any sources to them or even articulating on why they find them relevant? are they bots?

>>25385973
>This hasn't been true for most people in the ''first'' world for 60 years at least
That's cope.

>>25383516
Thanks anon, but I lack the skill.

>>25386342
Fair point—that was my mistake. The passage is from The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde by Robert Louis Stevenson, from Jekyll's final confession.

I should have cited it and explained why I posted it instead of just dropping the excerpt. I thought it captured the kind of spiritual and psychological collapse that can accompany losing one's moral or religious bearings in adversity. Jekyll's line, "He, I say—I cannot say, I," especially stood out to me because it reflects a fractured identity and alienation from the self, while the overwhelming fear and hatred in the passage felt relevant to the thread's discussion about faith giving way under pressure.

Sorry for the contextless quote—I wasn't trying to spam or bot-post.

>Si le dégoût du monde conférait à lui seul la sainteté, je ne vois pas comment je pourrais éviter la canonisation.
Based!

>>25385812
I would honestly mostly start with some interviews. The one with Jason Weiss, Michel Jakob or the documentary of Gabriel Liiceanu, which includes an interview. Even many of his essays suffer from being to playful with language. His actual opinion could be hard to be filtered out of there. But during an interview he doesn't have too much time to do that. Direct question and mostly direct answers. He gives pretty straight forward information about his main topics like insomnia, suicide, etc.
If you get the basic idea, you can pretty much read any work of his. I don't remember which of his essays I found the best, but I think I liked Heights of Despair quite a bit. But I am sadly quite resistant to read more of his works. I have read a few, but he already mentioned quite a few times that he pretty much wrote the same book over and over again. All of his works very mostly identical to his first book. And you can honestly feel that.

>>25386062
>Go kys.
Feels like reading Cioran. Thanks for reminding me.

>Nothing was contributed.
That sums up Cioran pretty well. He is a walking contradiction and I am not even sure why people call him a philosopher. He himself admits: "I have invented nothing, I have merely been the secretary of my sensations". I just enjoy reading him. I would have loved it if he would have written such an introspective stream of consciousness book like Bernhard does.

>If you're that committed to pessimism you won't even masturbate.
He mainly criticizes Nietzsche because:
>What I consider his most authentic work is his letters, because in them he’s truthful, while in his other work he’s prisoner to his vision. In his letters one sees that he’s just a poor guy, that he’s ill, exactly the opposite of everything he claimed.
>It’s because that whole vision, of the will to power and all that, he imposed that grandiose vision on himself because he was a pitiful invalid. Its whole basis was false, nonexistent. His work is an unspeakable megalomania. When one reads the letters he wrote at the same time, one sees that he’s pathetic, it’s very touching, like a character out of Chekhov. I was attached to him in my youth, but not after. He’s a great writer, though, a great stylist.

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>>25386702
Some of his points aren't without merit. How can someone who is so isolated still access the irrationality of group environments? There is also a point to be made that Nietzsche's philosophy produces a mindset wherein unless thought is taken to the extreme points or generates a result then it's worthless. Both of these seem too far removed from the course of everyday discourse, and appear either as impossibly tyrannical or a high speed version of Dance Dance Revolution. This criticism is also difficult for Cioran to maintain since he admits he loves tyranny and admits that suffering which continues too long destroys the reason and the senses.

>Cioran remains inside the accepted social spaces and succumbs to fragility. He doesn't escape his own criticism of Nietzsche.
>Cioran leaves the accepted social spaces and turns into Nietzsche. His own criticism is unflattering to himself.
>Cioran continues and loses all of the coherence he may have been able to claim.

This cyclical process is most frequently a result of differing value judgements. I personally suspect Cioran at some point didn't want to be seen as a pupil of Nietzsche's philosophy, but it's too difficult, if not impossible, to refute it from the inside. It always appears as though he is merely imitating, in hopes someone else will do it for him. This isn't a write off of Cioran as a whole, rather just that it is difficult to avoid the 2 most popular pessimists if you want to be the patron of pessimism.

My fav song of his

https://youtu.be/7hgwOTK2xN4

>>25385106
It wasn't "satire" but he was a self admitted poser in his pessimism. He is not desperate, you should treat it as performance art.

>>25384793
love that kyuss album
also forget being well read. if you didn't grow up reading, don't bother with classics. read some fun pulpy sci fi. or start making videos that are funny to you. or collect coins. or take up birdwatching. or make a website about a specific topic of interest. or join a model train hobbyist club. or collect pdfs of old wwii era cookbooks, you know the ones with gross aspic-canned tuna abominations. or learn to play harmonica.

in other words, do something interesting and fun. do not subject yourself to drudgery of reading old books simply because it is a "smart" and "sophisticated" and "based" thing to do.

>>25384793
Read

>>25384793
start with the greeks
resume with the romans
continue with the christians
read next the renaissance
end with the enlightenment

everyone saying greeks is a labrp7ing faggot,b b ewAS Herrtoar potter nigger. My 6 moth old hl[rf type yhisd post amd hes right

>>25384793
>more well-read when you're working at a Waffle House at 29

In general. Or are you writing. or have other art pursuits?

You have a favorite writer, or historical era/place that captures your interest. Target that. Read authors you enjoy in their entirety (save on omnibus editions/used). Only acquire volumes for your personal collection you are certain to revisit/want as influences/use in study. Archive dot org ect. have all the free material you could want for the rest. Read non-zero daily. Figure out if you're more wired mornings or evenings and dont' fuck around your diet or sleep schedule (read outside if possible).

>>25386667
>I'm not a performative faggot or a 3rd worlder who uses public transportation. I drive to my destination. Do what I have to do and leave.
and then post about your readings on /lit/

What the fuck is this butthurt trannies' problem?

>>25381861
Pulling the trigger should turn the pages.

>>25381136
I exclusively read on my phone. My eyesight is fucked, but I don't want to give the capitalist machine any more money.

>>25386971
>He doesn't use the built-in eye comfort shield setting