Reading the polemics against stoicism by Cicero and Plutarch, there is not one contemporary philosopher that comes anywhere near the discipline and asceticism they describe. In fact, the people today who call themselves stoics are merely following the doctrine of moderation prescribed by their critics.
>>25625501>there is not one contemporary philosopher that comes anywhere near the discipline and asceticism they describe.Try monks, stoic tenants appear to be foundational to Christianity
>>25632683Stoic ethics and psychology were almost completely absorbed by monasticism, but there is so much other stuff in there, depending on who you talk to or what you read, that you could not say that monks are stoics in any straightforward sense. There is also some borrowing from the thought world of Stoicism in Saint Paul.
>>25632493I'm out of your control, sissy.
>>25632719In effect, I do. I made you post, and I made you mad. But that was your choice. If you had focused on what you can control, like a man, you wouldn't mistakenly believe that acting like a retard could force me to have the emotional reaction you were seeking.
>>25632744sounds like someones mad. seethe in silence little bro
What are some other comfy midterm election related books to read today?
MAGA lost. Whoops. hahahahahaha
>>25633185The south will rise again
>>25633264Funny you should say that, as it's been obvious what we're seeing is among other things, the revenge of the confederacy.
>>25631268He's not me, btw.>>>/his/18771687
>>25631261It's about everyone except you, the person reading this
that makes you think William H Gass is an "amazing writer?" Do I really have to be the anon to break the illusion and pull the wool from people's eyes? The Tunnel is one of the most grating books I've ever read. It's genuinely so bad it tarnishes anything good Gass might have written, such as his essays or The Pedersen Kid. I'm convinced it's a sick joke at our expense and while he was still alive he couldn't BELIEVE it was so critically acclaimed. It's like he's shit testing us to see how much we can swallow. Every single clause, not just every sentence but every clause has alliteration. It doesn't stop, he never lets up with it. Not once. There's so much alliteration it actually chokes out anything else that's interesting he might be doing with his prose. I actually really hate him now. Plus this really didn't age well with the whole "you are ontologically evil if you are a goyim" message.
>>25631465can you expand on what you're trying to say? I need my Jews literati to be completely neurotic and torn with self doubt
>>25629454Not hard, just tedious stream-of-consciousness for 1000 pages. >>25629462>definitely sort of dense and winding, and felt almost psychotic at pointsIt could be a highly entertaining style if the subject weren't so pathetic.
I've got a bit of gas in my tunnel right now
>>25629409Thought I was the only one. Exhausting, ugly and pointless, The Tunnel basically killed my enthusiasm for the postmodern novel.Read Barth and enjoy living instead.
>>25629409i've only read omensetter's luck and the pedersen kid and a couple of other stories of his. my main memory is being put off by his overwhelmingly grouchy cynical miserabilism. the pedersen kid really is great though, and i like the sort of vast mythical middle america feeling of all his work, which reminds me of winesburg ohio, the scraps of civilisation adrift on a wild grey plain. uncanny.
>chapter 1 >page 1
>>25631103>chapter 1>page 17
>the prelude
>>25631103>chapter 1>page 599
>>25631905pleb. I process it into a liquid and inject it straight into my veins.
>scholarly introduction is two or three times as long as the work itself
How to write a girl who is with some attractive high status guy and feels anxious about the disparity in romantic experienceWhat is the psychology behind what she feels and why she still stays with him?
Fuck off
Benis envy b/w Oedipus
Dis bewk any güd?
>>25632562I don't care about that at all. I can't for the life of me fathom why you would think this image was some kind of... scathing criticism? I'm neither French, nor a woman.
>>25632567>I'm not a womanProve it
>>25632602
Test
>>25632562Truly the bravest and most daring act accomplished by the French resistance!
What did he mean by this? Are there any books about this phenomenon?
Which of you wrote this
>>25633168
>>2563333772%?I am flattered.
Did the Neo-Nazis write anything of value after WW2?
>>25630995>what fascists today are in practical reality. Which is>you disagree with anything a democrat thinksftfy. The "nazis" of today are literally just saying things dems said 30 years ago chief.
>>25631032he said it was a family tradition or whatever i guess. his parents were gaytheists and he followed them in gaytheism. anyway heres a perspective on prohibition you wouldnt have heard from anyone else
>>25628645As an actual National Socialist advocate, The Lightning and the Sun is easily the greatest, because it contextualises Hitler’s relevance to cosmic history. However, pic related is also very educational, though I’m unsure if the author is an actual co-ideologue.
>>25631145>>25631393The fact that modern fascist thought revolves around>old thing good new thing badhas no bearing on the factuality of fascism or the sttae of modern society.
>>25628645No one wrote anything of value after WW2. Deconstruction and sarcastic, pseudo-folksy language games have proven themselves to be the memetic apex. Add onto this the fact that the post-war era has given us the thorough study and understanding of how the human mind works and it only makes sense that as a species we've lost any coherent ideologies or beliefs.Those in power understand that human behavior can be gamed through reaction to opposition, so they game it.Those without power cling to a mishmash of modern and pre-modern philosophical table scraps and use them primarily to beef up the sassy clapbacks they direct toward every other crab in their bucket.Everything is cringe, everyone is evil, everything is slop, except for you and yours. That's the universal worldview we've cultivated in the postmodern era, because it's the only one that can survive what we've built.There's no fascism, no communism, no capitalism, no monarchism, no democracy. There's you in your Skinner box with a window they told you shows you the outside, and everyone else in theirs.
Recently started reading this guy, and he's pretty interesting and nuanced. I was fed propaganda by /lit/roons that he isn't worth reading, but he's so based and redpilled. Why does he get slandered all over the internet despite the fact that most people who criticize him never read him and engage with a strawman version of his arguments?
>>25619998Moldbug is cynically funny. If you believe in the inherent goodness of people then it's probably not for you but if you know that we're clowns in a circus then he's a great read. He's one of the few that can turn a dissident into an intellectual.
>>25633237He is still the only "right wing" figure I have read that actually understands how to win. Maybe its because it was raised left wing? But I find his older writing to always be stimulating.
>>25619935Now that the neocons are in retreat, and a new Obama era is upon us, will the right-wing heed his lessons?
Atrocious thread about an atrocious "thinker"
>>25623630> It doesn't matter which country or situation you're looking at, the problem is populism itself, where random people think they know better and should just make decisions based on whatever they feel like in the moment.I don't know how you can say this, when Trump's biggest mistake has been the Iran War, which went completely against the right-wing "rubble"'s opposition to starting new wars.Trump2 would have been much more successful and effective if it simply did what the unwashed plebeians on /pol/ were clamoring for.
What's the strangest thing you've ever read?(Bonus points if it was actually good or at least not just flat out retarded)
>>25630921A bit rough around the edges in places (we can’t endorse his puncuation of the possessive ‘its’) but his heart is definitely in the right place.I hope and trust he will get picked up by a major publishing house.
>>25630761
>>25632261Based
All things considered, the Tractatus, probably.
we're just fucked. we're the last literate generation. please make it count
>>25612930How does that work? Surely he reads textbooks.
>>25629033Do you consider that thinking produces new ideas? Are not we all just empty vessels?
>>25612920I'm sure the CCP would be giving "Dr Stromberg" real data to work with
>>25612924>about 10% of adults are capable of a collegiate reading.Even in America, political franchise wasn't just handed out willy-nilly in the beginning.
>>25623567>They arent forced to go to school. They can just have kids. Actual teen pregnancies are people who then have to rely on their family to survive, kids can't study and work for these responsibilities.If the whole game is just baiting people into hazard by conditioning them to get completely mindfucked and wasting their life away because the idea of natural motherhood was presented as uncool and they were told it was a waste to not get into student debt
>always read victorian era translations on my kindle since they were out of copyright and the easiest to find online for free>finally try reading a penguin classic of nevsky prospekt since I couldn't find anything else>have to put it down after reading a single page because the level of english is so badJust more evidence that the idea of progress is a complete article of faith when even the standards of our own language have degenerated so much. This is the world's most popular translator for classics, and the one most commonly used in universities. Their entire effort is to take the good translations from the past and dumb them down. And they get to be a publishing house? What a sick joke!
>>25631291A penguin is much to specific of a symbol.It evokes the north, coldness and ice. I don't want that shit on my Dune Cover.
>>25631291I dunno I like them. They're easy to find.
>>25631992a stirring recommendation
>>25631436>A penguin...>...evokes the northYou do know where penguins live, right?
>>25631436>penguin >north
>phone autocorrects "its" to "it's" even when it's not the correct form for how you're using it
>>25629926It doesn't do that
>>25631653It's does. It's does do that.
Man is TADC genuinely so very underrated by its fanbase somehow.It's like, it's not even THAT good, but it is much more clever than its hardline fans give it credit for and ends up handling a decent number of things in creative and well executed ways. It's the kind of thing where, by the very nature of being what it is, it attracts a fanbase of people who view it in quite shallow ways and have specific expectations that prevent them from assessing the merits it has, so the point of what it does with the characters goes basically unappreciated because it takes things beyond the Tumblr mold you'd expect it to conform to and gives depth to characters the fanbase is not comfortable empathizing with.
>>25629926>>25632542>>>/co/ mentally ill freaks keep your other shitty posts on >>>/pol/ too
>>25629932What the actual fuck?
why does /lit/ rate him so low?
He seems to be perceived pretty well here.His diagnosis on modern ideology is as relevant as ever. Only problem is is that he talks like a fag in his books and the extreme black pilling of his philosophy is kind of depressing
>>25632477Failure to critique the workplace and length of the working day internally.
>>25632712>he talks like a fagYet he had a somewhat attractive second wife hmmm
>>25632477because he is the matrix guy for most people who read Simulacra and Simulation, and those people rave about it while mostly ignoring his other works.
>>25632477In the beginning, there was, Murica. Shit you can ignore >this is most stunning and epic rebuke!>we wuz, we still iz, Murica 2.0!>look at all the firsts!>is the era of <insert oblique posteriori commentary on political polling priors> finally over?American hegemony and largesse loves gridlock.>outgoing turd smugglers have less than 2 months to make sure Murica keeps printing more money it doesn't have. They may not care and let it turn into a day 1 fight next year. >it wouldn't be Murica without completely misreading and overextending a mandate.>2 years to test how much more socialism Murica wants or resort to petty grievances and investigations into a lame duck?Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
