>read Dubliners, Portrait of the Artist, and Ulysses right after each other>want to read something lighter before starting Finnegan's Wake>try reading a bunch of books>realize how shit the prose is in comparison to Joyce and how boring they all seem
>>24234413>it's bad on le purpose!!
>>24237585joke's on you, he was only pretending to be mediocre!
>>24234390You're reading the wrong language. Many such cases
>>24234390Just finished Dubliners. I wasn't particularly impressed, I liked Melville's short story collection much more. Going to start Portrait today.>>24237585It does happen. See: Benjy and Jason chapters in TSATF.
>>24234413I loved the first chapter :(
What some -alive- contemporary continental philosophers that are worth to read? I only know Nick Land.
>>24238634Nick Land is not continental by definition
>>24238634>continental>picks a british person???
>>24238674>>24238707Wittgenstein is analytic despite being a gay jew from austria-hungarywith modern tech one can be continental despite not being from the continent
>>24238674>>24238707I see your guys point but girardfag was very adamant nick land was continental and an integral part of the wild ride
hubert dreyfus and charles taylor
does anyone have a pdf of this in color? every copy I find is in B&W
>>24237711MDE's patreon was available via kemono, I think you can find it there
>>24237806Every single link there seems to be in B&W too
there is none, at least public>t. just looked at my signed first edition copy
>>24237965>It's realI got a 1.2gb version and it's still in b&w, intresting.
Most people think faith is a kind of uncertain belief, but in classical times, it was actually a certainty stronger than belief.No religion really addresses this fact anymore, they've all defected to the modern, pseudo-atheistic interpretation of "faith".This becomes even more evident when you look into theology: it's all a bunch of gobbledygook philosophy to explain the unexplainable, which clearly has sophistic tendencies, because it doesn't address what faith really is (NOT philosophy).My question is: has anyone ever written on this kind of religiosity that is against reason, against intellect, against philosophy and embraces exclusively intuition?
>>24238143>>24238146I'm not talking of faith as in fides/fidelity, I'm talking about the same concept, but as it was originally understood before the insertion of this unassured, open-ended, pseudo-atheism, it was more about sincerity and certainty that you couldn't measure and that was unquestioned, not by force, but naturally, it was less about not knowing something, while still "believing", in a state of unassuredness
>>24237623Depends on what you mean by "intuition". The only feasibly empirical definition of that word would be more akin to the Jungian notion where "intuition" refers to general pattern recognition and consolidation of ideas into one emergent idea/trend/pattern. When you say "intuition", it sounds like you're employing a more colloquial and mystical notion, which no one can verify.
>>24238163Thanks. I think I'm beginning to understand this since recently reverting to the Catholic faith
>>24238189I'm very blatantly taking an anti-philosophy stance
>>24238163Havent read it myself, but The sacred and the profane by Eliade might be what you're looking for
All right guys which version/translation of Plutarch's Lives do I read? There are one or two complete editions but the prevailing opinion appears to be that they are old, while the Jews at Penguin offered revised translations but decided to slice the thing into 6 (SIX) fucking books. Oxford had a go with 3 volumes but omitted some biographies. What the FUCK do I do
>>24237413Latin is the Christian tongue>>24238305Depends on the life. Alcibiades and Alexander for example are definitely NOT boring
>>24236301The revised Dryden is pretty standard, and more or less solid. The most accurate translations available are the Pamela Mensch editions, but they have enormous shortcomings: they only translate the passages directly pertaining to the selected lives, cutting digressions and background, so her editions, while the most faithful as translations, are at bottom just collections of excerpts, unfortunately. If you want to dl her editions to check with, do that, but Dryden remains the best complete edition.>>24238305Why should that be a mark against Putarch, to go into issues relevant both during the period of his life and the periods he covers, instead of a sign of your impatience and narrowness of interest?
>>24236301Thomas North
I wish Oxford classics version just for the covers except they excised the comparison chapters, the Theseus bios, and split it into three books (Greek, Roman, Hellenic) which is retarded.
>>24238318all your favorite jewish apostles wrote in greek
Necessary Book of the New Sun thread
>>24234455Wasn't there a short lived comic adaptation? How was the art in that?
>>24228761Does anyone else think Gene Wolf sounds like a metal gear character?>You'll never defeat me, snake! Not with those inferior genes of yours! He who controls the genes, controls... procreation!
Uncle Ted's problem was really that he was an Amerimutt raised to believe that individuality, freedom, and personal autonomy were the natural state of man. They're not, and almost nobody thought so before the late 1700s. Majority of humanity prior to then were serfs, peasants, and slaves whose fates were ultimately decided by a small handful of nobles, monarchs, priests, wealthy merchants, and warlords. If anything, Industrial Revolution accelerated universal suffeage.Kaczynski was just fighting a straw man his schizo brain came up with.
>>24237446me not know me iq too low
>>24237197If this is bait then bravo, however I'm going to assume you are just fucking retarded >freedom autonomy all that shit exists because technology imparted you with them it is through technology you believe in your abilities and your freedoms.READ. THE BOOK.>monkey picked up a stick and realized that he is more than an instinctual animal.The problem is complex organization-dependent technologies that require specialized labor, read the book. >a serf read a book and realized that he is more than just a low caste trash.1st, serfs arguably had more freedom than us, read >>24232712>>24232720>>24232727But also, the serf is only in that position thanks to agriculture.>If so you should realize that you cannot defend him without reading him 1st too>nobody is gonna read this shit its a meme admit it.Unlike (you) I actually read you ADHD riddled zoomer. Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24229497>They're not, and almost nobody thought so before the late 1700sActually it was a fairly common idea prior to the end of the Roman Empire. Your ideas were a blip during the Medieval era born from theo-oligarchism. Go read Polybius, Cicero, etc.
>>24236736any other books for this?
>>24236736this post hits too close to home.
Hell's Heroes is the 10th and final book in The Demonata series, beeing published on the 1st of October 2009, its title beeing confirmed in Darren Shans's personal blog and his newsletter called Shanville Monthly. It is set six months after the previous entry, Dark Calling and for the grand finale, the narrators role is once again passed to Grubbitsch "Grubbs" Grady. I am quite thankfull, that we can finish this journey together, it had its highs and it had its lows and arguably both of them in the previous entry, for our characters particularly that is. As allies died, secrets were unvealed, trust was broken, power was gained and hope was lost and not only life in it, but the universe itself is at stake - let us head once again in the bizarre, horrid and fantastic universe of the demonata series. Previous Thread:>>24210249 Lord Loss I:https://www.archived.moe/lit/thread/24004762/Lord Loss II:https://www.archived.moe/lit/thread/24017568/Demon Thief I:https://www.archived.moe/lit/thread/24021566/Demon Thief II:https://www.archived.moe/lit/thread/24032763/Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24238508Damn that poor bastard has been here for over a hundred years our time. Lord Loss doesn't need him to be there to feed off of him now that he has to learn everything and everyone he has ever known is gone.
do you really understand what you read, at a deep level, specially philosophy? or is it just mostly posturing and repeating stuff like a human-LLM?i feel like i never really learned anything in my whole education, i can read "complicated" books and get something from them but i don't really have the environment to discuss it and become really cultivated. can we save anything from the dead civilization that came before our time, or is everything lost?
>>24237571>things... things... things,... things... things,... things... things,.... sorry, you're not as intelligent as you fancy yourself to be.
>>24238054More or less. Basically just read stuff serially and did practice tests. Was enough to regurgitate info in the short term (sometimes even long term) but no real understanding.>>24238033>>24237618It's nothing special. Basically just having an awareness of the limits of my own working memory and operating within that. A lot of self-explanation and gradual build up.
I may not understand what I read fully, but i definitely enjoy it :) some works definitely make me feel remorse of consciousness, though
>>24238112>>24238070this is why closeted homosexuals are the only ones that can truly understand literature
>>24238683is that why they have to wear diapers?
>female protagonistI shan't be reading.
Poor Undine. She deserved better. But trapped in a German book, what chance did she have?
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO COUNT + 2 Does anyone have the /lit/tle girls chart?
>>24238594Medea sort of bridges the gap between "female protags we like" and "female protags we'd rather keep away from". I have a lot of sympathy for her I must say, but still, steady on, Medea.Anyway, no worries of that kind with <pic attached>. Heidi is a solid citizen who will make some lucky Swiss fellow very happy in a few years' time.
>>24238605
>>24237842this, simple as.
What is Lit's opinion of Stephen King?
>>24238030That's a big fucking head
>>24232087He's good at what he does.
>>24232120what the hell does this mean?
>>24238405Rent free.
>>24232087The only thing I've read of his was On Writing, and somewhere in the middle I thought "maybe I should read some of his novels after all" and by the end I thought "I'm not going to enjoy his novels." On Writing was an interesting read, though, particularly in the practical advice he gives for the publishing side, plus his personal experience. Most of the actual writing advice in it is the same shit you'll hear everywhere else, but he does seem to understand that you can only learn writing by reading and writing, and his aim is just to point you away from early writer pitfalls.
>They rode through regions of particolored stone upthrust in ragged kerfs and shelves of traprock reared in faults and anticlines curved back upon themselves and broken off like stumps of great stone treeboles and stones the lightning had clove open, seeps exploding in steam in some old storm. They rode past trapdykes of brown rock running down the narrow chines of the ridges and onto the plain like the ruin of old walls, such auguries everywhere of the hand of man before man was or any living thing.What did you just say?
This reminds me of "Red Mars" by Kim Stanley Robinson. It felt like at least a third of the book consisted of him describing (for the most part imaginary) geological features of Mars. That book was such a fucking slog to get through. The various time jumps didnt help either.
>>24234253He’s describing a cruel landscape where you are nothing.
>>24238304I will give that guy credit since Mars is (in this context, obviously not in reality) fictional and thus you'd need someone to painstakingly paint that image for you. Corncob would enter a McDonalds bathroom and take 5000 words conveying it.
>>24235774>trapdykes of brown cock
>>24238293I had that experience with the closing paragraph of The Road. He says "On their backs were vermiculate patterns that were maps of the world in its becoming" about brook trouts. Me, having never seen a brook trout in my life, had no idea what he meant by equating the patterns on their skin to "maps of the world in its becoming" so I looked up pictures of brook trouts and was instantly like oh, that makes perfect sense now.
Is this the height of Scottish lit?
>>24237798"Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"
>>24237369Nah, this is
>>24238340No, I don't know any Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by a "Gibbons"
I got bored after a few chapters. It's fun but I don't really care.
>>24238340History books are not “literature”
Coming up to a big chunk of French literature on my reading list. I’m wondering whether it’s worth taking a couple of months to learn to read French or whether I should just read translations?
>>24237904I would advise against this. It takes years to get a feeling on the language, and you're no better than a translator going back and forth from the dictionary to the text.
>>24237904better get to work and find out. you can learn a lot of a language in a year... look into Alice ayel. I'm using her site now to learn French. it's based on an acquisitional approach to language learning.
>all these monolinguals who think learning a romance language is massive undertakingnothing makes the online language learning 'community' look sillier than learning japanese, russian, etc...>>24237873he could do it in 2 months if he actually dedicated any significant amount of his free time to it. >Mr et Mrs Dursley, qui habitaient au 4, Privet Drive, avaient toujours affirmé avec la plus grande fierté qu’ils étaient parfaitement normaux, merci pour eux. Jamais quiconque n’aurait imaginé qu’ils puissent se trouver impliqués dans quoi que ce soit d’étrange ou de mystérieux. Ils n’avaient pas de temps à perdre avec des sornettes.Mr Dursley dirigeait la Grunnings, une entreprise qui fabriquait des perceuses. C’était un homme grand et massif, qui n’avait pratiquement pas de cou, mais possédait en revanche une moustache de belle taille. Mrs Dursley, quant à elle, était mince et blonde et disposait d’un cou deux fois plus long que la moyenne, ce qui lui était fort utile pour espionner ses voisins en regardant par-dessus les clôtures des jardins. Les Dursley avaient un petit garçon prénommé Dudley et c’était à leurs yeux le plus bel enfant du monde.>>24237856If you end up going down the learning route, get yourself copies of French for Reading by Karl Sandberg, Assimil French with Ease, volumes 1-3 of Les Desastreuses Aventures Des Orphelins Baudelaire, and Le Petit Prince. Le Petit Prince will essentially serve as your graduation from the very introductory levels of French. While you're making your way through those books, make sure to read a news article a day, even if it's way above your current level. I recommend RFI, since it's very easy to download audio files from them; and since they come with an article, you've got a ready transcript.
>>24238226I know French, Middle French, and Old French. I think you're misguided on what understanding actually is and what being able to read well in a foreign language looks like. I'm thoroughly convinced the best OP could do after two months is read 3-5 pages in an hour, with heavy use of a dictionary and needing to reread sentences multiple times. This would be for a book OP has never read. Sure, reading HP is "easy" because literally every English speaker is extremely familiar with the story, so you can fill in gaps easier and the sentences are really basic. But if OP were to read Proust as he is implying. I imagine it would take him close to 2-3 months of daily dedicated reading just to get through Swann's Way.
>>24238429I didn't say anything about him being able to read Proust (and actually understand) after just two months. I did, however, give him all the tools he needs in order to get the ball rolling.
>Gandhi admitted in an interview that he had no real followers, no disciplesHow common is this, to have people who profess your philosophy but do not live by it? How can this be fixed?
>>24236830>that's dismissing every effort of everyone who follows his teachingsgood. that's how you exorcise a demon
>>24236474>Most humble man in history is humbleSTOP THE PRESSES
>>24236474gandhi was a faggot anyway. if no one follows your teachings that's because your teachings are anti-reality.
>>24236474Very common, since ancient times even, to greater or lesser extents. But I think Gandhi also gives the right answer. Once you set something forth for the public, it's out of your hands, so you set it forth having considered as clearly as possible what your aim is, and you judge what you understandings or misunderstandings you can live with with respect to that aim being met. There won't be any simple fix, since you can't be everyone's parent or superego looking over their shoulders to correct them. That might require seeing what the lowest standards you can stomach are and drawing a clear line to separate these things off.
>>24238587technically not a fag just a paedo
