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I came all the way down to hell to see you and you wouldn't even look at me

You're so cold, morningstar
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>>24898568
>You're so cold, morningstar
Don’t you prefer the term ‘uncool’?
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>>24899973
I don’t think OP actually cares about this.
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>>24898568
I like this painting
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Yes, we know the devil is cool as hell.
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>>24903068
this mf rly out here simping for the devil

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>though all our knowledge begins with experience, it by no means follows, that all arises out of experience.
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>>24902477
aye mate i don't know what you just said
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>>24902480
What you see IS reality. what you see is experience. you notice trends within what you see which points to things happening outside of what you can see. So its practical to assume thos things exist even if you cannot see them. However this is not fundementally true, its just a very likely hedging of bets.
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this is a book Immanuel Kant used when teaching his students
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hh1tin
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>>24903376
Sweet! now I just need to learn german!
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>>24903439
>right click
>search with google lens
but yeah you should learn german
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiug.30112062372617

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And are you glad we finally made it to the end of our journey?
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>>24903426
Bad, there are no good books being published in current year.

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What books better describe the patriarchy?
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1984
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>>24900996
>an aspirational feminist
>I want women to be equal to me
These contradict since feminism is a female supremacy movement. You probably mean egalitarian.
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>>24900996
You sound like you understand the world through memes. Both the "patriarchy" and feminism are essentially retarded. If you'd actually take things at face value, you'd understand that women aren't really equal to men - they're something else, and that's perfectly fine. They can be really great in their own way, but the current cultural hegemony does them a great disservice, turning them into bitches or whores.
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>>24896630
female logic on full display.
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>>24895088
Nietzche's thoughts on "Women".

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Your top 3 favorite books and why
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>>24899785
I recently finished The Sound and The Fury and I’ve got As I Lay Dying, Light in August, and Absalom, Absalom! coming in the mail this week. So fuckin excited
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>>24899019
>the plot is bloated and the characters are one dimensional
>it’s well written
Fascinating opinion
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>Alice in Numberland: A Students' Guide to the Enjoyment of Mathematics - John Baylis, Rod Haggarty (1991)
>Fundamentals of Abstract Analysis - Andrew M. Gleason (1991)
>Mathematics: The Music of Reason - Jean A. Dieudonné (1992)
"Mathematics is an activity governed by the same rules imposed upon the symphonies of Beethoven, the paintings of Da Vinci, and the poetry of Homer. Just as scales, as the laws of perspective, as the rules of metre seem to lack fire, the formal rules of mathematics may appear to be without lustre. Yet ultimately, mathematics reaches pinnacles as high as those attained by the imagination in its most daring reconnoiters. And this conceals, perhaps, the ultimate paradox of science. For in their prosaic plodding both logic and mathematics often outstrip their advance guard and show that the world of pure reason is stranger than the world of pure fancy".
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>>24898777
Anna Karenina, Anna Karenina, and Anna Karenina
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>>24898777
>Pavel Florensky - The meaning of Idealism
Nearly revolutionized the way I thought about the world and my place within it. Also, explaining lots of art in the process.
>William Blake - Songs of Innocence and of Experience
Accessible and genuine poetry, both qualities are hard to come by, not to mention their combination.
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Most other books didn't come close.

Any books on topic that politics have more to do with aesthetics than with morals or development? Maybe a book which also defends aesthetic realism(not in formal sense of in the sense of analytical philosophy)?
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>>24901481
Are you from r9k?
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>>24901481
Georg Simmel has written on this. I think it's called Aesthetics and Sociology. I found it quite interesting.
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>>24901481
>"I suggest that although at any given place and moment the aesthetic expressions of a political system just are that political system, the concepts are separable. Typically, aesthetic aspects of political systems shift in their meaning over time, or even are inverted or redeployed with an entirely transformed effect. You cannot understand politics without understanding the aesthetics of politics, but you cannot understand aesthetics as politics. The point is precisely to show the concrete nodes at which two distinct discourses coincide or connive, come apart or coalesce."—from Political Aesthetics

>Juxtaposing and connecting the art of states and the art of art historians with vernacular or popular arts such as reggae and hip-hop, Crispin Sartwell examines the reach and claims of political aesthetics. Most analysts focus on politics as discursive systems, privileging text and reducing other forms of expression to the merely illustrative. He suggests that we need to take much more seriously the aesthetic environment of political thought and action.Sartwell argues that graphic style, music, and architecture are more than the propaganda arm of political systems; they are its constituents. A noted cultural critic, Sartwell brings together the disciplines of political science and political philosophy, philosophy of art and art history, in a new way, clarifying basic notions of aesthetics—beauty, sublimity, and representation—and applying them in a political context. A general argument about the fundamental importance of political aesthetics is interspersed with a group of stimulating case studies as disparate as Leni Riefenstahl's films and Black Nationalist aesthetics, the Dead Kennedys and Jeffersonian architecture.
https://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu/book/9780801448904/political-aesthetics/#bookTabs=1
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>>24901481
Wasn't this like, half of Mishima's entire thing?

Are youfamiliar enough with different periods of literature to pick up broad scale trends in literary traditions?

I feel like I made a connection after reading Scandinavian eddas, Romanesque chivalric romances, and late medieval poetry. Now I am much more familiar with the former two categories than the last, but Taking things like Elig's saga, Volsunga, and Frithgilds saga, comparing those the song of Roland, Lancelot the knight of the Cart, and Yvain the knight of the lion, and comparing that to the later 15ht century The green knight I find a very clear pattern. the sagas are very terse and to the point. the early romances have a balance of succinctness and poetics, and the latter green knight is suffused with purple prose. This seems like an almost linear development of stylistic trends towards the more verbose. However I do not think this is a direct relationship, as I heard the troubors of southern french, as opposed to the poets of Northern france who wrote the early romances I listed, tended to be more flowery with their language. Also there is some geographic distance between these writing traditions, but they arent completely isolated. My personal favorite genre of all of these has been that middle period of early romances, it has a truly wonderous balance of clarity and refinement.

Have you noticed any broad scale patterns in your historical readings?

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If you could get a famous or notable figure to read one book, who would you choose? I would love the opportunity to get a copy of "Story of the Eye" by Bataille to Kaitlyn Katsaros to see what she thinks of the psychology/philosophy of it.
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>>24901956
I would get William Schatner to read Kant...oh wait
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>>24901956
Charli D’Amelio to read my manuscript
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>>24902226
The pussy on this girl must be one of the finest pieces of natural art, the vaginal equivalent to a majestic snow capped mountain range or a magnificent galaxy.
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I'd force Donald Trump to read any old book about how awful he is
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>>24902232
it's a dude retard

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does reading books make you feel elitist
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>>24902642
hi Judge
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>>24900613
Yea but only when I read elite stuff. Now and then I will go back to reading some sci-fi slop and feel like a dimwit
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>>24900613
It doesnt make you elitist, except if you're a narcissist
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>>24900632
This and same but I'm a NEET
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>>24900613
No. Reading is supposed to humble you. However, I consider people who don't read subhuman.

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Why do so many books but also movies and shows start with character waking up in his bed and then doing his morning routine? Or sometimes there's a short teaser and after that you have the morning routine. What started this? What's the first example of this thing?
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>>24903205
>Genesis in the Bible
>Oblomov
>The Sopranos Intro
>Three Little Birds by Bob Marley
first examples from the top of my head. every day starts with waking up. telling the tale of a full day starts there. not exactly Shakespeare, but if it works, it works.
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>>24903205
Not the first, but The Metamorphosis is a great example.
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>>24903205
>why do narratives establish a status quo before the inciting incident that kicks off the story comes along and disrupts that status quo?
because that's part of what a Narrative fundamentally is. there's no arc without a beginning.
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>>24903224
>lust inducing
This bitch looks more ravaged than the Sahara
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>>24903297
>there's no arc without a beginning.
yes, but you can show hero's status quo in million different ways and plenty of stories do that greatly. This morning routine shit is just boring as hell and overused

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>There's people here who needed to read atheist books to get to the logical conclusion that God isn't real
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why come only white people invented philosophy to disprove god?

is religion fundamentally brown coded?
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>>24903259
Brain rot.
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>>24903065
Can we ever have debates in good faith?
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>>24903152
Wow spot on and not disingenuous strawmanning!
You're doing so good in rebuttaling the notion that atheists are edgy 15 yr olds!
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>>24903277
No.

I just finished my first Mishima book (Golden Pavillion). Almost dropped it two times in the first half because of boredom, but I'm glad I didn't.
It's beautiful e poetic, and I enjoy the puer aeternus/jungian shadow themes.

What do you think about it? What should I read next?
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I like Mishima but I think Golden Pavilion is boring from start to end. Spring Snow is his magnum opus and the first of his tetralogy which is worth reading but the first one is also great just by itself. Sailor Who Fell from Grace is also good but everything else IMO is meh unless you really enjoy the prose.
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>>24902871

I liked it. Reminded me of Herman Hesse books...
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>>24902875
Translation of Spring Snow to my first language is coming out on 4th of december. Can't wait.

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who built all those rooms?
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Probably that stripper or whatever that killed the puppy.

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Generally speaking, how far do you personally get into a book before you decide to drop it?
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>>24903166
Its the opposite for me. The start is great, but the ending really makes me regret continuing.
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>>24903183
Based autist
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>>24903182
You (mostly) just described the genius of contemporary female writing talent
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>>24903183
I love autists so much
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>>24903142
I can usually tell pretty early, but give it a day or two. If the book remains on my mind, I keep reading, and if it doesn't, I drop it.

Russian literature
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>>24903251
What made them so good?


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