People say nobody in antiquity believed there was anything immoral about the Trojan horse (which was a literal war crime) and yet literally everyone who participated suffered some sort of horrible fate. Even if they didn't have the modern libtard vocabulary to describe it they clearly did something evil and were punished for it
>>25425261now HERE is a good fucking take>homer has always been libtard bullshit sobstory>explains the pedo gay shitdoesnt explain why rome, europe, and the brits ended up wanting to be greek though...
>>25423465>which was a literal war crimedo you want to win or be a sore loser?
>>25424191...he's listening to a song about his exploits, his VICTORY, from some years prior, while still not having made it home and having lost his men. Do you not get that? That's why he subsequently tells the story of how he and his men have wandered unsuccessfully to make it back to Ithaca while scores of his men never get to make it back at all.
>>25423880>>25423910Sing the poem, retards.
>>25424173Woke fan fiction.
>What is /phil/ Philosophy General?A general for readers, students, and armchair thinkers interested in philosophy, whether it be Western, Eastern, analytic, continental, ancient, contemporary. We discuss primary texts, secondary literature, online lectures, podcasts.>Why read philosophy?Politics, science, psychology, etc. all began with or were inspired by someone who thought philosophically. Basically, if you are interested in just about anything, philosophy will help you better understand that subject. Because it is at the foundation of every conceptual institution made or discovered by humans, it is in the underbelly of human experience, and so it is worth taking seriously.>Why study philosophy formally?Surprisingly versatile and undervalued. Phil majors consistently score among the highest on the LSAT, GRE, and GMAT. Strong pipeline into law, policy, ethics consulting, AI alignment, and academia.The server: https://discord.gg/EMq43xYNxqPrevious thread: >>25374034
>>25422373Schopenhauer is superior imo
>>25418709I'm legitimately trying to learn here. I would just like it if one of you guys nudged me in the right direction first. I'm read a substantial amount of classical philosophy but I want to dive deeper into the analytics.
If I want to read Plotinus, where should I start? Besides Plato, do I need more context to him? And why should one read Plotinus?
>>25423500enneads
>>25423500suphere you go anon read through our notes. it is definitely not unprofessional slop. >>21787854
Two thousand years later, who won this debate?
>>25424294Lorem
>who won this debate?Augustus. DEBATE THIS, NERD.
>Transgender dogma is naive and incompatible with FreudHe was so real for this
you guys are so stupid
>>25423220But not incompatible with Jung.Jung would take one look at the tranny fad, and diagnose a simple case of Anima possession.
>>25423922I think the issue is that The One-Dimensional Man was the best work and only worthwhile work on it and Marcuse even agreed with the criticism that it suggests capitalism is sustainable when it isn’t and confronts it that way
>>25423220so? Fuck Freud.
>>25424366>Mental disorderWe can actually just call it a mental order of a particular kind and then all mind our own fucking business
Does anybody?Hows the volume when you type, will it go through your door and annoy other people in the house? I have been watching youtube videos of people using them but its still hard to tell as you have no idea how loud the microphone/my headphone volume is compared to reality.I am 99.9999999999999999% convinced any story told will come out better if you type it up with a typewriter vs write it on a computer but I live in an apartment and I remember neighbours complaining about the noise from Stephen Kings typewriter back in the day. Picture related, the typewriter Cormac Mccarthy used for all his novels.
>>25423546What fucking performative retard would actually use a typewriter when a fucking computer is superior in every way? If you weant to change something you don't need to retype it. If you want distraction free there is software for that, hell, you could pirate WordPerfect 5.1 or Word for DOS and go Fullscreen mode with it.Without hard drives or off-site cloud syncs, the risk of losing a manuscript has to be utterly terrifying. A house fire, a stolen bag, or a lost parcel meant the work was simply gone forever. I mean fuck, In 1922, Ernest Hemingway’s first wife, Hadley, packed almost all of his early fictional manuscripts (and their copies) into a single suitcase to bring to him in Switzerland. The suitcase was stolen at a train station in Paris. Hemingway lost years of work in an instant and never recovered those stories. You actually want to live like that, carrying papers around that can't be encrypted or stolen? I'll take my computer with word processor with auto save and WEBDAV based backup.
>>25423546Post something you've written.
I used one in the past. I did it find it more efficient (no distractions, no constant editing). But yeah, they're loud and can't be used during the night, so I threw it away.
What is wrong with a pen?
It seems too slow.
>My desert island book? >How to Survive on a Desert Island 101.
>>25423408Based on how you write they already are.
>>25423794TRVKE
>>25423794 >>25423899 what did i do to deserve this abuse?and anyway, don't you feel the same? your imagination needs a sense of real possibility in order to function at all imo. books are vivid and stirring because they suggest an expanded sense of what's possible in the world. this is partly why our art is so weak and hollow compared with 100 years ago - in the world of the 1920s everything was so much more up for grabs, developments in painting or literature seemed like they really could leap over into revolutions in politics and society. whereas now history seems preprogrammed, stuck on rails of economic growth and competition, and imagination senses that it's redundant, a vestigial organ from a happier time. to me this is the same problem as finding yourself on a desert island. agree or disagree?
>>25423911I think you pose a big problem. Does imagination really need a sense of possibility in order to function ? I think I disagree, or at least I disagree partially. If someone were to grow up, assuming that is even possible, all alone on a desert island, then yes, that would be all they would ever be capable of imagining, or nearly so. Perhaps they'd imagine the rest of the world as another, boundless, desert island like their own. How could they even conceive of anything else ?But someone that's developed their imagination before, someone that comes with the tools to imagine primed and ready will not suffer the loss of imagination on a desert island, if anything it will become more intense and powerful given the fact that there is nothing to distract him. What I think is that it will invite despair, because you will begin to imagine what you miss and what you miss you cannot recreate with your imagination if not in a stunted, temporary way
>my dessert island book?>How to Serve on a Dessert Island 101
Hey /lit/ i just came back from watching the Odyssey movie and i was in awe so now I'm gonna read the book any tips before i start? btw I'm skipping the Iliad since I'm only interested in reading the Odyssey
>>25425129Reading is for women, uncs, and faggots anyway
>>25425124Letting the pleebz have access to our sekrit club is a crime.
If you want any further proof of the end of literacy in America, right now there are five different posts on the front page of /lit/ from people who saw or heard about the movie and now want to 'try' to read Homer. -- It's sad really.
>/lit/ is americaYou need to wake up unc, you share an online space us third worlders now. This is India.
>>25425169>This is India.Get back to me when a thread about the vedas hits bump limit.
The vast majority of these are shit, for some reason
>>25425398Then readest. But not being on linux is a heresy.
if you think ereaders are a scam then just read everything through calibre, its reader is better than what it used to be and it can read just about any file format under the sun its like the vlc of reading
>>25425375They all suck. The worst thing is when you bought an epub with all of the cutting edge features, videos, audio, etc. and realized no epub reader actually supports such a thing lol. And the one who supported it are now abandonware or removed from the internet. Good lesson for everyone else, don't adapt the most modern cutting edge technology.
>>25425414>bought an epubthats your problem anon
>>25425407I'm pleased with Readest now having tried it, thank you very much. I plan to switch to Linux whenever I have to change computers, there's just too much on the current one to bother with it.
This AI shit is so much worse than you think already.>send full manuscript to a medium-big literary agency (less than 80k words, not even huge).>bought their "FULL READ AND EVALUATION" package: an experienced editor will read all your book and give you a detailed review, and if we're interested we'll represent you with publishing houses.>$220.>wait 3 weeks.>finally the evaluation report comes.>full of compliments for the style, ideas, etc.>initial excitement starts to give way to suspicion.>start noticing a lot of "it's not X; it's Y" sentences.>and I mean a lot.>notice a couple of continuity mistakes a human editor wouldn't make because it would be immediately obvious they don't make sense.>by the end I'm 100% sure it was written with AI.>not even an expensive one, the free ChatGPT model on my phone could and did give me a report just as good, quality wise.>angry email to the editor.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>25424385>if you self-publish your stuff drowns into an ocean of millions of garbage books that at first glance are indistinguishable from yours. Sure, yours is a masterpiece and they're just slop, but guess who's gonna find that out? Fucking nobody, because you have no physical presence in book stores and no advertising.What value is any trad publisher bringing in these avenues? Plenty of trad releases flop, about half of them sell less than a few dozen copies lifetime. You will still be expected to market your book. Meanwhile they now own the rights to your work and you make 12% residual, when you could've retained ownership and made 70% with self-pub. It's an appeal to authority that no longer passes the smell test.
>>25424385And that's why no one will remember your name.
>>25424385I don't care. Caring is for gay people
>>25423979> >bought their "FULL READ AND EVALUATION" package: an experienced editor will readI thought it was well known all “pay for feedback, consideration, publishing” type offers are SCAMS. Fucks sake this goes back to the 50s man.
All these replies really show that we need a board for adults and one for retarded kids (18-23).Literary agencies already receive hundreds of manuscripts a week, and this is while making people pay for sending them. Imagine what would happen if they accepted everything for free, in the age of AIs that can shit out a whole book in 10 minutes.You heard that vanity presses are a scam (which they are, you'll be in the hole for thousands of dollars while receiving none of the advantages of trad publishing) and your little pigeon brain simplified that to "dude spending even a cent on getting published is retarded".And then you come here and regurgitate this "opinion" thinking you'll look cool. Over and over again, you and your little clones clutter the board with these "opinions".This shit is at the same level as r/books but with less Count of Montecristo.
Communist/socialist society can exist so long as you exclude sociopaths, narcissists, psychopaths and BPDs and low IQ morons.The reason why it imploded and why it was met with so much resistance externally is because of evil people and partly because of ignorant and stupid people, but really more so evil people.evil people don't like communism or socialism.mainstream communists and socialists for some reason don't bother with the idea that maybe some people are inherently incompatible with communism. I would love to live in a commune with good people, but the moment you include evil people in the commune it will implode. This is why it fails. and no, you mostly can't educate them into being good.There are also some things that mainstream communist literature gets really wrong, like the concept of ownership. you shouldn't own other good people, but owning objects or property that can be used for good is not a problem in and of it self. this might sound close to something like National Socialism but it's really not. Nazis are evil because they don't have a concept of good. they just care about society in a strictly exploitative manner or exhaustive manner. communists are generative, national socialists are degenerative, even if they put a front that says otherwise.And finally good and evil transcend race. race can maybe be correlated to some extent but it's not a very strong correlation. most white people for example are actually evil, not good. because most humans in general are evil.
>>25422490Empathy is genetic, so you might as well advocate for ethnic cleansing. That makes you evil and betrays the whole point.
>>25423321are you intentionally describing Fallout or was that an accident
>>25425119>They mostly fell apart due tomeddling and persistent undermining by 3 letter agencies>The most famous commune from the era was the Manson Family ...and speaking of 3 letter agencies, Manson was probably the most famous and most "successful" MKUltra subject the CIA ever produced
>>25425119part of the issue is that people need to feel invested and not like they can just leavepeople have no problem imploding a commune if they feel like the stakes aren't that high and they can just go back to whatever family or career they had beforeon the flip side, if you do hazing to ensure that people who join the commune are invested and are of appropriate character, you're very easily risking creating a cult
>>25425175>I trump your historical facts with my conspiracy theoryLOL no.
So, what else should I read to satisfy my autism about boats and sailors especially?I’ve read, of course, Treasure Island, Master & Commander, the Mutiny on the Bounty trilogy, The Terror, and a great nonfiction book called Jack Tar: Life in Nelson’s Navy. I couldn’t get into Captain Blood or Horacio Hornblower.
>>25424643There are 20 complete novels in the Master & Commander series. You could spend your life immersed in that world.
>>25424643>my autism about boats and sailors especially?The correct term you are looking for is nautism
>>25424733>>25424986I posted and went to sleep, I’m here. Thank you anon>>25425007>>25425015Honestly no idea. Maybe I should give it a second chance; I didn’t dislike it, I just didn’t get intrigued. >>25425070It came from here but I don’t know much elsehttps://www.adkinshistory.com/jack-tar/
>>25424643Endurance? Have you read that?
>runs away with a married man>gets most of her family killed and destroys the entire realm over dragon dick>forces her own brother to take her surprise baby as his own bastard, ruins his reputation, and puts the Starks in danger of being wiped out for harboring a Targaryen>diesWhat a bitch>inb4 Jon is not her sonAll but confirmed, I'm afraid.
>>25424090I like the theory that Lyanna is actually a daughter of the Mad King. It would explain her shitty character.
Seems like a well-written realistic representation of a woman for what it’s worth.
>>25424090When did this board become reddit lite?
>>25424090Reminder that Robert loved Lyanna so much that he fathered a bastard with a whore while his beloved was allegedly kidnapped and getting raped over and over.
>>25424731A propah Stag lord>>25424635>>25424730Imagine if you had the self-control to avoid posting in threads you didn't like? That'd be crazy.
Existentialism is, quite literally, diabolical; indeed satanic.
>>25423974not only is it diabolical and satanic, it's also devilish and infernal
>The forerunners of existentialism are Pascal and Kierkegaard>an entire current of thinkers deemed "Christian existentialists"but don't worry nigger op already ensured 50-100 replies because of the sartre image
Existentialism, like many philosophical positions, resulted from wartime experiences in Europe that shattered people's beliefs in the way the world actually worked. -- A more modern example is the reworking of Stoicism developed by Adm. James Stockdale based on his POW experience in North Vietnam. -- Some have called these 'lifeboat philosophies' because they are the beliefs you might develop if you were stranded on a lifeboat with limited resources.
This. So is not blessing IsraelSource? The Holy Bible
>>25423974>anything i dont like is the work of the devil
https://antigatekeeping.com/
Negative Space editionNotable Authors: H.P. Lovecraft, Thomas Ligotti, Robert Aickman, Clive Barker, Edgar Allan Poe, Algernon Blackwood, Shirley Jackson, Stephen King, William Peter Blatty, Robert Bloch, Bram Stoker, Mary Shelley, Edogawa Rampo, Arthur Machen, Ambrose Bierce, M.R. James, Sheridan Le Fanu, Brian Evenson, William Hope Hodgson, Clark Ashton Smith, Frank Belknap Long, Ramsey Campbell, Caitlin R Kiernan, Laird Barron, Jack Ketchum, Richard Laymon, Brian Lumley, Stefan Grabinski, Peter Straub, and many many moreDiscuss your favorite horror tales in both short and long form. What have you read lately? What do you want to read? What's a work of horror fiction or an author who you want to recommend?Previous:>>25376219General archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=hfg"
>>25419301>Laird Barron>My favourite horror author and definitely one of my top 3 authors of all timeB-B-B-BASED.
>>25421637Everything after The Beatiful Thing That Awaits Us All and The Croning has been pretty disappointing for me honestly. Swift to Chase and Not A Speck are his weakest collections to-date but I give him a break because he literally almost died recently.
>>25423819i've read one story by ligotti and that was enough to know he's just slop/shit. it was "the frolic" and holy fuck, i could've told you how it ends after 30% of the book. it's just... weak?his prose isn't bad, his ideas aren't bad but he sabotages his own writing by how unimaginative he is with his story progression.really nothing write home aboot.
>>25423843I've seen a month old youtube interview on some guys podcast a few days ago and he really seems to be bouncing between health and almost dead all the time. didn't he come close to dying during covid or something?now it's his kidneys, it really doesn't look too great.
>>25423976That's literally his first published story. You should read some of his later stories to get a good feel of his writing, not just literally one of his early stories where he is still trying to find his own voice.
