no, rate MY poem
>>23631179>My child just used a black crayon on this white paper>Black and white is a classical dichotomy, a resonant contrast with human nature itself >It has been used in every religious, mythological, and artistic piece since time immemorial>My child is truly an artist of the highest caliber, because they recycled one of the most obvious things in human history
>>23631208You are paraphrasing what I said and suddenly it's not bait anymore, that's it? So, maybe I was right that the fault must be in surrounding effects to explore a themes image?
>>23631221I'm satirizing what you said. Your statement that your theme being classic and powerful and that because you poem is bad that it must just be the fault of the rest of your writing is only partly true and just makes it clear that you don't know what you're doing. It's like a child bringing a sledgehammer to a whiffleball game because the pros use heavier bats. Not only are you swinging out of your league with the topic itself, but your childish conveying of it just makes it seem even more horrible than if the poem was about something less fundamental and delicate like taking a shit from all those coffee and cigarettes.
>>23631241You have no reason to be this mad, man, seriously. It's not so important.
>>23631255I'm not mad I'm trying to explain why your poem was shitty and Im taking a rest day so I have nothing better to do
Should everything in a grand ol'epic tale be full and fraught of all kinds of themes and meaning that produce abyssal levels of insight; to be used as much as a cheap harlot that you find on sixth street?
Refined aesthetes will deride allegory as crude, but I don't see any point in telling a story if it doesn't have some allegorical depth that says something about how the world works. Pure aestheticism is just masturbation. The problem is when the allegory is dogmatic as opposed to exploratory. Going in with a prepared ontology or whatever and imposing it onto your work is crude, but it's a different thing to delve into the unconscious and see what you find. Genuine writing will always have allegorical and symbolic depth, whether intentionally or not, because our unconscious, the place where the best stories come from, is already saturated with those things.
>>23629936>I am no longer le jokey fun man>I am now le tough and deep man
>>23630628>Pure aestheticism is just masturbationThe opposite is true Anything but the pursuit of beauty is masturbation
>>23630945The good, the true, and the beautiful must be pursued equally. Too strong an emphasis on beauty alone leads to a hollow writer like Nabokov. Too strong an emphasis on truth: Dostoyevsky's ghastly rigmarole.
What should I read to understand Jewish thought?
>>23630129Sex and Character by Otto Weininger
A book on intellectual/ social history focused mostly on the 20th century.
Just listen to Ron Unz's American Pravda series.
>>23631040Forgot to link this.https://archive.org/details/TheOrdealOfCivilityFreudJohnMurrayCuddihy
>>23630682>She will also brutally lay out how the female mind works with regard to men because she was too autistic to sugar coat it.give me a summary
The man who destroyed /lit/
>>23631224This incoherent retard who can’t even get his own theology straight? Yeah man, really put me in my place
I am not really into the whole romantic individualist from Western literature. What are some books with a group as the protagonist? I have heard that Brandon Sanderson has that in his books.
>>23627449>>23627430>No, I'm white.
>>23624405Yeah both Mistborn and Stormlight Archive by Sanderson feature this.Some other fantasy reccs from the top of my head that I can think of having this:>The Lies of Locke Lamora (focused on a group of thieves and their heists)>The Wheel of Time (group of villagers go out on epic adventure, has some splitting up into new groups, converging back etc)>The First Law first trilogy (with some of the PoVs, especially in the second book), also the semi-standalone from same series Best Served Cold (MC gathers a group of people to go on a revenge quest to kill a bunch of people who have wronged her)>Malazan (some of the PoVs)>LotR of course
>>23627230Reddit: the book
>>23629031It is as I assumed. Modern. I wonder if there are any literary books which do this
>>23629033Why are you like this?
So... where is the Caesar? How much it has to get worse for things to start to get better?
>>23630926Freaky
>>23630255>After the Second Punic War, there was a great increase in income inequality. While the landed peasantry[27] was drafted to serve in increasingly long campaigns, their farms and homesteads fell into bankruptcy.[28] With Rome's great military victories, vast numbers of slaves were imported into Italy.[28] Significant mineral wealth was distributed unevenly to the population; the city of Rome itself expanded considerably in opulence and size; the freeing of slaves brought to Italy by conquest too would massively expand the number of urban and rural poor.[29] The republic, for reasons unclear to modern historians, in 177 BC also stopped regularly establishing Roman colonies in Italy; one of the major functions of these colonies was to land the urban and rural poor, increasing the draft pool of landed farmers as well as providing economic opportunities to the lower classes.[30]
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>>23631191>inb4 too deep
>>23631191Astroturfed anti-nationalist Jew pied piper aimed at redditor alt-liters.
Let’s get a horror fiction thread going. But…HARD MODEYou CANNOT talk about:>Stephen King>H.P. Lovecraft>Edgar Allan Poe>Thomas LigottiLet’s try to talk about horror authors we don’t usually talk about.
>>23629310I bought The Reddening because the cover was cool. Have no idea if it’s good or not, but the back cover has me intrigued.
>>23629426Its pretty good, though the title is just dumb as hell. Last Days is supposed to be really good
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>>23626705manuscript found In saragossa is around 600 pages long. not totally gothic as it extends to the picaresque and other genres that was popular at the time; but it's mainly spooky with it's talks of demons and animated skeletonsthere's also The Monks of Monk Hall which stops at around 576 pages. haven't read it but looks to be about conspiracies in Jacksonian Philadelphia.
Ronald Malfi
>Memoirs of Hadrian>The Last of the Wine>Confessions of a Mask>Poems of Sappho>Orlando
>The Picture of Dorian Greygay english dandy has a portrait that gets aids instead of him
In Youth Is PleasureThe Well of LonelinessNorth WindNicholas Crabbe
Naked LunchGiovanni’s RoomMaurice
>>23630464Hadrian was a pederast and a pedo. Mishima wasn't gay he was larping as a samurai, who were all pederasts. Homosexuals are just fetishists. The way some people like fat bitches for some unexplicable reason, they like grown up men. Like in most civilized societies, men are trained to get rid of their savage inborn impulse for pederastry but the homos are just guys with an adult male fetish. People like this never produce great lit. Only one I can think off is Giovanni's Room by Baldwin. 90% of the gay faggot books on the store shelf are slop written by women. The other classical stuff was written by proto-autists (Plato's Symposium) or pederasts (Saihara's encylopedia) and then ugg boot wearing white girls come around and try and convince us these men were actually gay as fuck when they were autists and borderline pedos. Also Ovid said it best in Ars Armatoria. Boys are less pleasurable to fuck so they aren't worth it. Correct. The coming of heteronormativity has been a good thing for humanity. Many boys anuses are now intact. LGBT wackos and feminists just don't understand this. You wanna go back to a world where the average male has been sodomized? Something the male ass isn't meant for? Just read Baldwin's book.
Are they just sloppy work from hacks who couldn't write any better? Do any of merit and depth equivalent to actual literature exist? Sing in me, /lit/.
Children's lit was good when white people wrote it, chiefly men. A few women are okay, like Madeline L'Engle and Frances Hodgson Burnett (The Secret Garden).
What books, articles, or blogs have you read that provide interesting perspectives on Russia and its relation to the current international order, especially as regards United States or the War in Ukraine?There seem to be two primary flavors in American interpretations of the conflict:(1) Putin invaded Ukraine out of imperialistic ambition, and we must continue to arm and support Ukraine not only out of a moral imperative in upholding Ukraine's sovereignty and global democracy (which we should seek to spread), but because otherwise appeasing Putin would encourage further violations of international law and national sovereignty, or(2) Putin's invasion of Ukraine is understandable as a rational reaction to the West's continued expansion of NATO, as well as to various but relatively consistent indications of bad faith or duplicity in the West's (particular America's) actions towards Russia and internationally. In order to quell Russia's fears and reduce the risk expanded (or especially nuclear) conflict, we should advocate for a peaceful settlement that is likely to be very favorable to Russia (aka accept some Russian war aims). I just finished Not One Inch by M.E. Sarotte, which essentially argues for point (2), though it was published just prior to the invasion. Solid book; it's well sourced and well argued. It's difficult to deny that Russia has ample reason to distrust the West, but ultimately it's also difficult to believe that Russia would be some bastion of democracy, or even a functional one, had different steps been taken following the fall of the USSR. Early elections in 1993 and 1995 turned out big wins for an extreme far-right white-supremacist party on one hand, and a communist restoration party on the other. Russia has never had a functional democracy in its history. You guys read anything cool lately?
>>23628766I recommended Vladimir Pozner in one of your other threads, but he has said he thinks a Marshall Plan-type thing in the 90s might have helped in a focused and targeted way. But he also made the point that Russia has never been a democratic country at all, ever, and while I don't if it's impossible, it takes some time for a new system to evolve. You can't change them from the outside, that change has to come from people within the country who grow up in the new system and have a different mindset. The people who are running Russia are all Soviets. The system changed, but these people haven't changed (and won't change) because they grew up in that old system and that shapes their whole outlook, but now they're in a new system and are trying to run it with the mindset of an old system. That doesn't work very well. The young people today will change the country in the future and years down the line in some way, and maybe not in a way that Westerners even like, but either way it'll be different.Also, Russia has become more authoritarian during the war, but just a few years ago, it was no comparison to China. It's no question that China is a totalitarian system in comparison to Russia which allowed opposition newspapers to exist (although they had a relatively small audience compared to the overwhelming majority who get their news from pro-Putin T.V. channels).He also believes that a lot of Russians interpreted the fall of the USSR as them *succeeding* at getting rid of communism. It's like, hey! We did it! Now we can join you guys... and they were blocked from joining the West, and they have a lot of pride so their reaction to what happened over the following years was like WTF... and then they started getting angry. And Putin's government has tapped into this, but a lot of Russians support him because they feel like he's given them their pride back. One of the unfortunate things is there is far more grassroots anti-Americanism now (which is also encouraged by state media) which is much worse than in the USSR. That might be surprising but in the Soviet times, communist state media made more of an attempt to separate the American government (and Wall Street, which figured a lot in communist propaganda) from the American people. Putin has also brought in the Russian Orthodox Church which is very chauvinist, nationalistic, self-centered, and anti-Western in a more all-around way.There is also real fear that Crimea would become a base for the U.S. Sixth Fleet. Russians overwhelmingly considered Crimea to be part of Russia, which it was... I would let them keep it. Fundamentally, though, wars don't happen because one side made all the mistakes and the other side is pure. Russia has made a lot of mistakes that has contributed to a large number of Ukrainians wanting to cut the umbilical cord with Mother Russia. I think the invasion of Ukraine that began in 2022 is criminal and imperialistic.
Honestly, the single most interesting take I’ve seen on Russia comes from Spengler in DotW and his various essays.
>>23628766>(1) we must continue to arm and support Ukraine ... because otherwise appeasing Putin would encourage further violations of international law and national sovereigntyI'm not sure about this one. I've heard that people say we've gotta arm Ukraine otherwise Poland will fall. But I find that one hard to believe. It seems almost like a civil war within a cracked-up USSR akin to Yugoslavia in the 90s where suddenly there were Serbs living in Bosnia and Croatia, and not only were those Serb populations fearing being cleansed, there were also a fair share of Serb nationalists who sought a greater Serbia with local Serb forces in Bosnia taking up arms and making moves, and then being backed up by the regular Serb army which intervened.Russia, Belarus and Ukraine... the idea after the USSR fell apart among many Russians is that they were all bros in the same group. The languages are similar. There's the same religion (Orthodoxy). So Ukraine trying to cut that connection and join the West is another WTF... it's like my little bro doesn't want to be my little bro anymore.War also has a way of accelerating things. So a Ukrainian national identity becomes much sharper in contrast to Russia. People tattooing themselves, or making art with traditional folk patterns or instruments. There's an accelerating abandonment of the Russian language (including by Zelensky who is a native Russian speaker). I don't think that was Putin's intention but that what seems to be happening. Nations are formed in war and we might be seeing the formation of the Ukrainian nation in a crucible:https://youtu.be/5gdPxnwKYjM
>>23629960Yeah I watched that interview with Pozner, it was great. For me the most worrying development is the deterioration of Russian civilians' attitudes towards the United States. It seems like there are too many fundamental differences between Russia and the United States as they exist today for rapprochement, so the obvious candidate in the longer-term for improvement of relations would be changes in government. But if the Russian people in general are starting to dislike Americans and America together, I don't like its prospects.The book I mention in the OP covers very well a wide range of issues that made Russia feel shunned by the West following the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Both Gorbachev and Yeltsin seemed willing to work it out, but whether that was out of weakness or a genuine desire to change is unclear. Either way, missed opportunity. Putin seems much less hopeful in this regard, and Medvedev has probably only gone the wrong way since 2014. I'm reading that book recommended by >>23629081 right now (From Cold War to Hot Peace) and it's amazing. Seems like Obama had a genuine desire for improvement, but between important missteps (Libya), leftover resentment from the Bush era, and the mismatch between each party's expectations and assessments, the whole "reset" policy was doomed for failure. One thing I think interesting that hasn't been brought up when people talk about America's dealing with other nations in the post-Soviet era, is that Russia really is in a unique situation in regards to its military strength and willpower to resist efforts at "Westernization." The bit about the NGOs was fascinating to me, and reminds me about a quote I read somewhere along the lines of an NGO leader saying, "A lot of what the CIA was doing covertly thirty years ago, we do openly today."
There is a channel where an expert on IR and PoliSci translates primary sources on current Russian politics and speeches.He also has his own lectures on the topic.https://youtube.com/@michaelrossipolisci?feature=shared
Hey lit rate my poem
>>23630793I'm a clerk in civil service, a bit dull job but i can earn a living and make verses. I'm not into it as a profession, I just enjoy writing poems.
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>>23630794>Not samefagginThat's what a samefag would say
>>23630794>can you elaborate on the poem being ordinaryThere is nothing about the poem that makes it different from ordinary writing. It does not expound a profound thought, it does not capture a sublime emotion. It has no metaphor or simile that can be called genius, it has no deviation from ordinary grammar that can be called divine. There is no rhyme, there is no rhythm, there is no music in the sound of the words. There is nothing in poem that makes it worth the time to read it.>i want some tipsRead Palgrave's Golden Treasury.
>>23631116Ok, then. It was me same faggin, believe what you will.>>23631135Did you hear it being read? I posted a Vocaroo. Thanks for the recommendation.
In Don Quixote we witness the complete genome of the novel. Yes, every work of fiction exists within Don Quixote. Everything that has been written, is currently written, and will be written in the future, in the quill of Cervantes it has been traced. This is thus what inspired Borges to write the epitaph:>There is no new thing upon the earth. So that as Plato had an imagination, that all knowledge was but remembrance; so Solomon giveth his sentence, that all novelty is but oblivion.
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>>23627842bet you felt really clever writing this shit tier baityou absolute retard
>>23628867For me it's Don Deadpool and his side kick Sancho Pool
is this worth buying to learn german?
Can you spell the wordRindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz
>>23629662the plan is to just look up every "word"
>>23629489Why learn a minority language? If you want to talk to modern Germans you should learn Arabic and Turkish instead.
>>23629656alright ordered the hardcover
>>23629489no?
More like this?
You weren’t filtered right? You did know the canon and were actually able to use that knowledge creatively right anon? Let us suppose so. I hope discussion can be enlightening for those of us on the cusp of understanding. In “Becoming Intense, Becoming Animal, Becoming Imperceptible” D&G elaborate on becoming, which they distinguish from scholastic and structural accounts of change yoked to identities. I recall in Aristotle’s physics how change is explained as motion in place, or motion about a very small circle. I may be misremembering, so please help on this point if you can. In this case movement (A to B) and identity are priveleged. What if we took speed instead, unmoored from movement and identity as the cause of change? I believe this would be becoming. We might imagine a motion ‘in place’ that is not about an identity. Becoming intense? In Darwinian biology we explain traits in terms of heredity. Genes from mommy and daddy are combined and baby gets them, which then produces their phenotype through protein synthesis, I.e. gene expression. . Of course this does not apply in all cases, with asexual reproduction of bacteria, parthenogenesis in animals, viruses, and lichens being troublesome. Can we really admit so many ‘exceptions’? Against heredity D&G assert contagion, the pack, multiplicity. The werewolf is a becoming of man. It is not that someone resembles the wolf while remaining a son or daughter, rather there is a change ‘in place’, a speed or slowness so that they alter their being in a manner that has nothing to do with heredity. The bite of the werewolf, or vampire transmits the contagion. The Koryos were to other men as wolves are to sheep, because they made their body emit a molecular wolf, a change ‘in place’ produced by an intense speed. These speeds take up ‘material’ and propagate. Consider how one might have two bodies of water separated by a wall. One side is agitated such that waves form, with a certain period and frequency. When the wall is lifted this will be transmitted across the now contiguous material of water. The wave is a becoming of water. The waving of water. Of course water waves are extensive, but extensive becomings do not preclude intensive ‘ones’. The matter of the werewolf is man. The wolfing of the ‘were’, as it were. I hope that criticism can help us understand more, or any comments on ATP are welcome.
>>23629875>sophist admits he doesn't know shitLol. Lmao even. Maybe read Plato's Sophist dialogue, bitchboi?
>>23630227Okay, please tell us what you think sophistry is, and how nomad thought and Deleuze's dialectic can be described as such. Are you sure that you are not the sophist who is dissolute and confused, unable to tell himself from the philosopher who can easily see the difference?
>>23630047A lot of pomo and post-structuralist stuff on difference and difference is just recapitulating stuff from ancient and scholastic phil, combining a few new interesting terms from semiotics and information theory, and then covering the whole thing in layer after layer of obscurantism and bad prose. The complexity is there so that you don't realize that the solid points were made better by others centuries or millennia ago and so that you can't pin down the weak points to refute them.
>>23630530Oh, and to make it complete, you have to use specialized terms from the sciences and mathematics in ways that belie a total misunderstanding of what they actually mean.
>>23629435>Do you have any particular part in mind that you could share?Its his phrasology like the way he uses words like machine and nomadic war machine other cyberpunk technobabble and references to science. I can understand why D&G are doing this but their constant attempt to write as if they are schizos in Guattari's clinic just get tiresome quickly. I prefer Deleuze's smaller and more sober work. ATP in particular is really creative and they are playing with all kinds of ideas but sometimes its just annoying. I think I'm more pissed at the fanboys pushing this book over all of Deleuze's other work, ignoring his influence from Spinoza and Duns Scotus, and acting like he's some genius who invented this stuff from scratch. Every reading group or thread online is filled with Deleuzefags who masturbate to this book and you can't have a straight critical conversation and they use their knowledge of Deleuzespeak to gatekeep. Like your not one of them if you don't see rhizomes the clouds and praise Deleuze like he's a god. I swear most of these people are ex commies or Foucault fanboys who've transferred their Marx Engels worship to another yaoi power couple.
