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/clg/ talks mostly about Greek and Latin. I am your local Classical Chinese anon. If this gets any traction, I'll put together some guides for learning these sorts of languages. Any Eastern languages are welcome!

Preliminary Classical Chinese recommendations: Pulleyblank's Outline of Classical Chinese Grammar and Van Norden's Classical Chinese for Everyone.
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>>23409512
Hey, I've been lurking /clg/ on and of for a few years. When it's not filled with LLPSI arguments, I've found it to be a very high quality thread, especially in comparison to the rest of the board/site. I just came back to see the most recent thread, and it's filled with people insisting that /clg/ is Greek/Latin only and posting Jew pictures at anyone who questions it. I just want to know: what exactly did I miss? When did this autism start? What's propelling it? Also, when did /clg/ get /pol/'d?
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>>23409937
it's one guy. And he's an annoying nigger.
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>>23409512
Hi OP, what are your favorite Classical Chinese works?
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>>23409964
The one that I've spent the most time on is Liezi. It's almost certainly a forgery. I focused on the chapter called Yang Zhu, which is about a man of the same name. Yang was a Warring States era philosopher whose works either were not written down or were lost. He's usually written about negatively, especially in Confucian literature. Some of the outer chapters of Zhuangzi are maybe Yangist, as Graham believed. We have a few dialogues and he's often employed as a literary device depicting opposing sides in relation to Mozi, another Warring States philosopher whose works have survived. There may also be references to his thought in Hanfeizi.

>suppose there is a man who on principle refuses to enter a city that is in danger, to take part in a military campaign, or in fact to change so much as a hair on his shin, though it might bring the greatest benefit to the world. The rulers of the time are sure to honor him, admiring his wisdom, praising his conduct, and regarding him as a man who despises material things and values his life.- Hanfeizi

>Universal love, honoring the worthy, esteeming ghosts, opposing fatalism; these were established by Mozi, but Yangzi opposed them.
>Keeping your nature intact, protecting your authenticity, not allowing things to untangle your form; these were established by Yangzi, but Mencius opposed them. - Huainanzi
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>>23409964
Also to add to >>23410113, I love Guiguzi. It's basically a manual on coercion, deception, manipulation.

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What 3 books would you recommend to someone interested in discovering how the world really works, and how we got to this point?
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The Anti Oedipus. It's all you need to know
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>>23408762
fpbp
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>>23408748
The Origin of Species - Darwin
The Golden Bough - Frazer
An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding - Hume

Honorable mentions
The Wealth of Nations - Smith
On Liberty - Mill
The Age of Reason - Paine
The Interpretation of Dreams - Freud
The Doors of Perception - Huxley
The Road to Wigan Pier - Orwell
The Nicomachean Ethics - Aristotle
A Brief History of Time - Hawking
Manufacturing Consent - Comsky/Herman
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>>23408748
You can't learn that with three books. The best you can hope for is a starting point.

The Bible
Plato's Republic
Aristotle's Rhetoric

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>>23409225
Why do pseuds?
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>>23408748
The Prince by Machiavelli
The Ego And Its Own by Stirner
Propaganda by Edward Bernays

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20 year old Art Hoe pussy can't be THAT good. Why do so many writers ruin their reputation by chasing after it?
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I've got nothing against Jason Seagull but the Goose would've made such a good DFW
Then it could've really been literally me
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Good enough to get institutionalized over, evidently.
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>>23410040
I've read posts on here that mimicked DFW's voice better than this.
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>>23410037
https://youtu.be/Q8PdffUfoF0
What
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>>23409453
>Why is the bottom half of his face so repulsive?

Undeveloped jaw and narrow palate. Large philitrum distance between septum and upper lip is simian. Aggressively forward Wolfman hairline + additional two inch or more offset exaggerate the arrow/shovel face effect. Induces an effete pout exaggerating the effect further.

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>>23409330
Tomorrow I'll be a Hindi internationalist
The next day I'll be an apolitical hedonist
Next week I'll be Pippy Longstocking
Someday, I won't be
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>>23409312
Based fucking UG.
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>>23409330
You started off brilliantly but became this horrible amalgamation of completely paradoxical ideologies by the end. More power to you if you manage to make it work somehow, I suppose.
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>>23404640
Never liked Fisher
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>>23409330
So I take it you're still in high school then

Why is Oscar Wilde remembered today as a gay man when he was clearly a bisexual libertine like Sade?
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>>23410089
I think he was clearly leaning the gay way, while Sade was leaning the straight way.
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Because of his court statements and because The Picture of Dorian Gay

>If self-existence does not exist anywhere in any existing thing, your statement, itself being without self-existence, is not able to discard self-existence.

>But if that statement has [its own] self-existence, then your initial proposition is refuted; >There is a [logical] inconsistency in this, and you ought to explain the grounds of the difference [between the principle of validity in your statement and others] (vv. 1–2).3

>[2-29. If I would make any proposition whatever, then by that I would have a logical error; but I do not make a proposition; therefore I am not in error.]
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>>23408259
>Right view is the first branch of the noble eightfold path. How do you think shutting up and meditating automatically leads to the insight of the Buddha
You have no idea what Right view actually is, because it is not an idea
>they never realized what the buddha did
In actual fact the buddha did not realize a single thing
It's like people who when they here the phrase "know thyself," they automatically attribute to people, Socrates, Plato, Pythagoras and so on, when really it is a question who is of higher order than philosophy all together. The Jnani is Jnana, there is no individual Jnani as opposed to an Ajnani, even saying everyone is a Jnani is wrong, only from the point of view of a Jnani there is only self, so there is no other Jnani, only Jnana. There are no people who attain "self-realization," or "enlightenment."

>meditation without "right view"
Again the only "right view" is natural and spontaneous, it is not a mental fabrication established in oneself by paying attention to philosophies or ideas, you cannot be told how to use the celestial mechanism like you can a pencil sharpener, it is as simple as what is called "vairagya" dispassion, or detachment from experiences, once that naturally emerges and it can even outside of a religous or spiritual context which is really not real, the person's attention becomes introverted to the exclusion of not-self, and that inward turning of the attention is naturally arising "right view"

>dependent origination
Is a mere pedagogical technique analysing the causal chain of phenomena it is probably a great intellectual insight for it's time but prior knowledge of it is not actually necessary, all the right "view etc." Of the buddha is really the spontaneous activity of jnani, one who perceives nothing but himself is indeed naturally inclined to ahimsa, compassion and so on, selfishness is in fact the root of altruism. One must have supreme love for oneself, it is similar to the Confucian virtue named Ren. Enlarging myself one naturally is inclined to enlarge others, when there is no myself and others, you are naturally eternal happiness as real self.
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>>23410064
One of the biggest problems with Buddhism is its appropriation of the western ethical, etc. Assumptions and worldview, of "selfishness," vs "selflessness"

Selflessness in the common folk sense, where people say "I will die for my country my language etc." Is actually nothing but selfishness, anyone who such things only feels that way because they are attatched to their body in the form "I am so and so" it is only from egotistical conceit that people are "selfless" and willing to sacrifice themselves for ideas, even like compassion. The only reason a person wants world peace is because they will also be at peace. Everything we do is driven by ourself, the goal is to be fully possesed by ourself, that is the true attainment of Buddhism, to have supreme love for oneself, in such a way that there is nothing but self, since there is mind distinguishing a myself (body-mind) from other (body-minds)
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>>23410079
No- mind means only self, and no myself in delusory relationship with others.

The fact is anatman would be better translated as (mindless selfishness)
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>>23410079
>The only reason a person wants world peace is because they will also be at peace. Everything we do is driven by ourself, the goal is to be fully possesed by ourself, that is the true attainment of Buddhism, to have supreme love for oneself, in such a way that there is nothing but self, since there is mind distinguishing a myself (body-mind) from other (body-minds)
the goal of buddhism is to end suffering, if you can't even get that right, you will never understand the buddha
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>>23410064
>Is a mere pedagogical technique analysing the causal chain of phenomena it is probably a great intellectual insight for it's time but prior knowledge of it is not actually necessary, all the right "view etc." Of the buddha is really the spontaneous activity of jnani, one who perceives nothing but himself is indeed naturally inclined to ahimsa, compassion and so on, selfishness is in fact the root of altruism. One must have supreme love for oneself, it is similar to the Confucian virtue named Ren. Enlarging myself one naturally is inclined to enlarge others, when there is no myself and others, you are naturally eternal happiness as real self.
dependent origination s not a pedagogical tool
and ahimsa stems from the lack of care, like being disinterested in something so you stop being a dick to this thing
>>23410064
>It's like people who when they here the phrase "know thyself," they automatically attribute to people, Socrates, Plato, Pythagoras and so on, when really it is a question who is of higher order than philosophy all together. The Jnani is Jnana, there is no individual Jnani as opposed to an Ajnani, even saying everyone is a Jnani is wrong, only from the point of view of a Jnani there is only self, so there is no other Jnani, only Jnana. There are no people who attain "self-realization," or "enlightenment."
looks like the garbage from mahayana-vajrayna-AdvaitaVedanta

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Post books about biology, zoology, meteorology, etc.
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>>23407227
If you want pop science the first thing you should be reading is The Emperor of All Maladies.
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>>23409632
She has a Karen haircut.
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>>23409821
Not really a pop science guy aside from a few books
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This one is good
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>>23407227
And this

Language and Naming Edition

Welcome to /wbg/, the official thread for the discussion and development of fictional worlds and settings.
Here is where you can share the details of your created worlds such as lore, factions, magic systems, ecosystems and more. You can also post maps for your settings, as well as any relevant art, either created by you or used as inspiration for your work. Please remember that dialogue is what keeps the thread alive, so don't be afraid of giving someone feedback!

FAQ:
>What is worldbuilding?
Worldbuilding is the process of creating entire fictional worlds from scratch, all while considering the logistics of these worlds to make them as believable as possible. Worldbuilding asks questions about the setting of a world, and then answers them, often in great detail. Most people use it as a means of creating a setting or the scenery for a story.
>"Isn't there a Worldbuilding general in >>>/tg/ already?"
Yes, there is. However, that general is focused on the creation of fictional worlds for the intended purpose of playing TTRPG campaigns. Here you can discuss worldbuilding projects that are not meant to be used for a roleplaying setting, but for novels, videogames, or any other kind of creative project.
>"Can I discuss the setting of my campaign here, though?"
If you want to, but it would probably be better to discuss it on >>>/tg/ . We don't allow the discussion of TTRPG mechanics, however. If you want to discuss stats or which D&D edition is best, this is not the place.
>"Can I talk about an existing fictional setting that is not mine?"
Yes, of course you can!
>"Does worldbuilding need to be about fantasy and elves?"

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>>23404224
Why not "organics" for a witty pun
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>>23401023
What are some names that you’ve chosen using that then?
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>>23405954
Yes. But nobody cares since most fantasy fiction is just mindless, brainless slop. People just want to daydream and do their own thing. Realistic approaches to fantasy are discouraged due to “lol he thinks magic can be realistic” or “are you saying you have better realism tact than me? this is now an argument!”.
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>>23400937
I just use one language, save for those used by monsters. Easy.
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>>23400937
I'm trying to do a story where the main opposition to the heroes are the Succubi, lead by their Queen Lilith. I want to have the easiest method for the heroes to send the Succubi back to the Abyss require the heroes to know the Succubus's true name, but I'm running out of names that make sense. I was thinking that some of theme would be mortal women who engaged in lustful behavior and became Succubi after their deaths, or just villainesses from the Bible in general like Delilah, but I besides needing a few more suggestions in that department, I need to figure out some names that have thematic associations that make sense for Succubi, since demons are all about names and words having power so the names having meanings related to their nature make sense. Someone else suggested "Desdemona", what about you, what would you suggest for me please, because I really need it.

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First published 1964.

I know he was Hitler hating jew, but his autobiography is surprisingly well written. especially about his childhood and youth as aspiring actor and the Victorian London slums he came from.
Usually actors are not very great minds, but he was also director and quite adequate composer, an innovator in yet to be developed art form that was cinema then.
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First part reads like some Dickens novel.

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>>23409764
By having the following:
physical looks, fashion sense, charisma, money, social status, interests (insert reading here), independence, assertiveness
If you have these to a reasonable degree being a reader will make you look very attractive, but with that alone you will probably not get anywhere.
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>>23409464
He challenged your entire conception of philosophy. It's why you fail to even realize you have been challenged.
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They have the capacity to understand it yes. It might be rare but its rare for men to understand it as well
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>>23409206
>Do women
Let me stop you there. Women lack ontic status, and thus cannot have phenomenological appearances. Women *aren't*. Therefore women, not being, are a category error in relation to philosophy.

There are no girls.
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>>23409341
>Doesn't almost every post-Plato philosophy comment on other philosophers?

Why do you say "post-Plato" as if Plato wasn't commenting on the pre-Socratics?

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Well? Try and disprove him.
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>>23409936
I think he did.
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>>23409752
>Power is merely influence which can be exerted on others.
For you.
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>>23408650
Not /lit/ you dimwit
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>>23408846
The millionaire has potential power in the form of promises that aren't guaranteed. The independent farmer with a head full of useful knowledge that can relatively easily produce value worth over a million is much more powerful.
The more Napoleon exerted power the less control he actually had over the future. All the power had to be constantly deployed to maintain itself.
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>>23408650
pay me if u wanna kno

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What are the books that I need to read in order to understand Jung, consciousness, and get started down a path towards mysticism?
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>>23409324
sorry wrong thread
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>>23404889
Read some Paracelsus and, if you feel completely confused and understand none of it, you'll be roughly in the same boat as Jung.
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Gravity's Rainbow
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>>23409150
It is a reasonable conclusion since it is likely that if you object to modern atheists such as Dawkins or Hitchens you'll likely object to similar arguments which have been advanced by Hume, Frazer, Paine, or Freud.
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>>23409212
The Christian religion is literally centered on both loving and fearing a heavenly father who promises to either reward you with the chance to eternally praise and subject yourself to him or punish you with eternal torment and pain by his command. Again, Freud didn't make Christians adopt this point of view, it's the deep father issues of those who adopt and develop this type of religion coming through. Also, Frazer was incredibly based.

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Christcucks btfo
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It seems to me that you had one creation narrative and then another which were joined together but I don't see how they're contradictory? The second creation narrative seems to me to be honing in on particular period of the creation
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>>23409721
You can't call someone else schizophrenic when your own religion considers glossolalia and epilepsy sacred.
What have I said that was schizo?
Is it schizophrenic to reject dogmatic metaphysical claims made by neurotic cultural warriors?
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>>23409722
A bronze age cosmology influenced by the babylonians and a theogeny and a hebrew folk-theodicy made by separate jewish groups that hundreds of years later were compiled into a book.
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>>23409741
>>23409727
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>>23407770
Can you fuck the snake? I'm asking for a friend.

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Why do people equate buddhism with nihilism? What differentiates these two philosophies/ideologies?
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/// These Cretan institutions were much extolled by some writers of antiquity, but receive only qualified praise from the judicious criticisms of Aristotle /// The game took an unexpected turn after the first quarter when an opossum scampered onto the field /// He was taken to Havana, and died by garrote in the little fortress La Punta /// I'd love to come to Hawaii with you, but I'm a little strapped /// Expect a breeze to allay the heat /// We decided to brave the elements and go for a walk /// He used his speech to sound a clarion call for affordable health care /// That is the fundamental perversity of dog whistle politics, whereby political parties send coded messages that will be heard one way by their core supporters and another way altogether by others /// The sound of the telephone was drowned out by the vacuum cleaner /// That's the spot where Sara and I used to while away the hours between lectures /// She scrawled her signature on the receipt /// The car pulled up too fast and skidded on the dusty shoulder of the road /// They were in constant contact, conferring about every aspect of the construction project /// How are we ever going to scrape enough people up to form a team by this weekend? /// You can count on him to ham it up for the camera /// The fat man loudly prattled unctuous apologies /// Some respondents who renewed contact with children or siblings had positive responses, but others were rebuffed /// Everything seemed to go wrong. For one, we had a flat tire /// Retailers are moving into high gear as the holiday season approaches /// She wrote several vignettes of small-town life /// Market sentiment can turn on a dime /// Symptoms include a wobbly gait, stumbling or a droopy lip /// The victim wasn't able to identify the perp /// It certainly is no formal, prissy garden - no clipped hedges, manicured lawns or "Keep Off The Grass" signs /// Everyone goes out of the way to make every guest feel special ///
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Theravada Buddhism is just Sethian Gnosticism without the hellenic and jewish influences
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>>23398050
it liberates you from your responsability making you a child forever
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>>23406582
>It does, because it show that the idea arise from a misguided conceptualisation of reality,
No it doesn't, this is another lie. You still have not cited the exact verse of which work of Nagarjuna's work contains the supposed argument, and that's because it doesn't exist; yet you continue to lie about Nagarjuna in violation of Buddhist precepts about truth-telling. Moreover, attacking logical justifications for an idea in addition to not directly refuting the idea itself also does not apply to ideas which are accepted via revealed scripture or through the supramundane enlightenment/insight of sages, which are not logical arguments. In most Hindu schools they accept the absolute existence of God on the basis of scripture without trying to provide logical proof for it, just like Buddha's accept non-empirical supernatural claims by Buddha based on his claimed insight, it's not ultimately different as a justification. Since they don't accept this idea on the basis of a demonstrative logical argument, what you said about Nagarjuna doesn't even apply to them as a refutation (setting aside that what you said wasn't even true and that Nagarjuna has no such argument).

>if the idea cannot be proven empirically and cannot be sustained logically without falling into contradictions, then all the possible ways that idea could exist are exhausted
Buddha doesn't empirically prove Nirvana or rebirth, but he just claims knowledge of it based on his magic insight (no different from revealed scripture as a justification), therefore according to you Buddha is wrong. Nice job, according to your logic you refuted Buddha lol.
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>>23398050
how can i be nihilistic if it believes in enlightenment? strikes me as very silly to say theyre the same. but i guess its because it calims theres no purpose. highly doubt nietzche was a bhuddist at all tho.

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I'm thinking about writing an adventure book in a steampunk setting. Any general advice? What are some cliches that I should absolutely avoid? And how do I stop the inevitable movie adaptation from flopping (impossible)?
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>>23408941
Lmao fair enough. When you say adventure book do you mean like a /tg/ resource? Or do you mean a novel about an adventure?
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>>23408959
An actual novel. I actually already have a pretty decent idea about the setting and the world building as well as the main characters, I don't want to share them though because OC donut steel.
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Bump
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>>23408925
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>>23408959
Never write a book about a setting. Conceptualize a story and then consider what the setting must be. If you’re in any way starting from the setting then you don’t have a story to tell and should probably go read more.
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>>23408925
Steampunk, as a concept, is difficulty level five.
Imagine a Victorian era where everyone wears gaudy victorin dresses and men are all dapper hipsters wearing unnecessary amounts of rass, glass, and leather. Everything is covered in cogs, and knobs, and OSHA is just appalled at the blatant lack of worker safety.
There are gnomes and bell towers and prostitutes in taverns eating cheese off the knob while you ask the barkeep what's the drink of the day? It's transmission fluid, you wanker, go on and get out of here before he busts you one.
There are airships, and trains, and massive citadels of steam and brass piping with pools of holding water underground that carry enough copper in them to kill a man if he drinks it.
The beds are normal, maybe a bit underwhelming. Your hotel room has a nixie clock in it, because why not.


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