>>24881198
do any foreign markets take english submissions? I would do that if possible.

>>24881198
Just walk around any major coorprate, it's all darkies and women. White men have been completely excluded by society (thanks to boomers) and with the Indian deluge importing their shit-eating race to the bottom caste system to western countries, things are never going back to how they were. There is no pendulum swing here, just an unrelenting war against white men by the hoards of darkness.

The silver lining to all this? The economy isn't getting better any time soon, at least the white men are unplugged from the matrix and have time to plan accordingly.

>>24881406
I'm looking forward to either balkanization or the coup. Either way, it'll be fun.

>>24881518
>spend most of the day getting evidence that this shit is all vaginas and basedboys and won't accept any submissions outside of their gay world view
>persecution complex
If I have to self publish I'll do it but fuck anyone that tries to pretend this isn't happening. Eat shit. Maybe I'll post screenshots if I'm not lazy

>>24881380
I was going to check it out but desu, I'm not sure whether that'd be worth the effort considering the language barrier. I'll still try my luck.

>>24881406
I'm a latino from the U.S. but to be clear, it's all men that are being told to fuck off (unless you're a semi-literate negro but this doesn't happen). But I do agree white men are without a doubt the ones being outwardly pushed out. Even if you check the diversity box (e.g. you're asian or latino) you can still be "problematic" by not writing the gayest, most woman shit imaginable. It's really, really bad and I don't think the average anon that writes realizes how deep this goes. I'll keep searching tomorrow.

I will say this: there are a few open indie publishers that really do want quality. But they require an agent and the agents I've found are all gay as hell.

>>24881563
>what's that? the industry is making an effort to include the historically excluded?
>help! I'm being excluded!

you might have to join the freemasons

Is this just a problem for fiction slop nobody reads anyway or for nonfiction as well?

>>24881563
>I'm a latino from the U.S.
Latinx*

>>24881658
you need to be a peter thiel type figure to publish a non-fiction

>>24881563
I'm Canadian and, lacking a historical black and latino community to "include" (as per >>24881616) they've simply imported millions of Indians and Nigerians to take all the middle class jobs. You cannot even walk into a library without some raghead teenager in a security uniform following you around and trying to intimidate you.

Things are so fucked up. And the only people protesting against it are zionist shills trying to stear the conversation towards hating palestinians. Recently they've started talking about arming the civil service to act in a military capacity.

>>24881520
A coup would be great, but I am deeply afraid that we are going to get balkanization instead.

>>24881198

send slop to agents
self publish non slop?

you might hate slop, but agents need work that is commercially viable, most readers like slop

you have to think like a servant. you have to love the reader. what does the reader want? not what do you want. what does the reader the want? most readers want slop

>>24882592
This is a good mentality to have if you'd like to both not get published and feel completely dissatisfied with yourself

>>24881198
Didn't read but fountain pens are sexo.

>>24881658
OP here. As far as I've seen non-fiction has this problem as well (they'll mostly platform BIPOC empowerment or pseudo-psychology bs) but like I said in my last post, there are some good indie publishers that want quality, it's just that a lot of them require agents anyways. Also
>implying people read nonfiction

>>24882323
I feel ya, man. I really do. This is gonna shit everything up for everybody. I've also noticed the zionist shilling to shift the hate towards other arabs.

>>24882592
I mean, I'm not saying I'm writing some super high brow ultra-niche shit. But it is definitely not what they are looking for. It's more in line with George Macdonald, Peake or maybe even Parzival but with a more modern lens. I try to make it entertaining, though, I haven't even had an agent look at my work yet so I really don't have any feedback. And also this >>24882741
Because really, what would you rather have. Be rejected on shit you don't even like writing or rejected on stuff you believe in? I'd rather take my chances and get picked up on something I feel passionate about.

>>24881198
>I don't wanna complain but holy fuck.
If you're not a POC, a woman, gay, an immigrant, a tranny, or an established author before woke swallowed the literary scene, you'll never find reputable representation.

>>24882920
>I feel ya, man. I really do. This is gonna shit everything up for everybody. I've also noticed the zionist shilling to shift the hate towards other arabs.
If there's a silver lining it's that the zionists are absolutely going to get destroyed once shit hits the fan. Alongside everybody else most likely.

I don't even know what we can do at this point. When the government brings in four million people a year you can't really reverse that. At the same time, if this continues (mass importing entire voting blocks, rigging the system to directly benefit the voting blocks most able to lobby for their paticular ethnic interests) it's going to be the death of liberal democracy. On one hand I see nation-states basically devolving into massive tax-plantations where most people are ruled over by a few ethnic groups used as attack dogs for the state (basically a global east-india company), or the alternative is a total balkanization that leaves millions of people dead and western countries in economic shambles.

The worst part is how fucking unnessecary it all is. I'm convinced that the government is workng to kill us, and they're also creating the inevitable revolution against them (which will also be designed to kill us). It's pure evil and the moment things get bad they'll disappear into their bunkers and yatchs and wait for the smoke to clear so they can rule over the ruins.

>>24881563
Post screenshots, nigga or you are lazy. If you are lazy you are lesser of a writer who doesn't deserve publishing. Do not imply if you will not deliver

yet another low-test cuck pre-fails the shit test. many such cases

>>24881380
Are you American? UK/Ireland/Australia. Maybe India

>>24883117
the cherry on top is that your only way to get some visibility if you don't want to be one of those category is to ride the opposite side of idpol shittery and write MGTOW sorta shit that resonates with the incels who watch youtubers
it's so fucking tiresome I wish it were possible to make something genuine but it's all shit I hate normies

>>24881198
er i thought woke was done bros? i thought the don saved us?

Good. I spit on all you "writers". It's hilarious knowing that the same pseuds who larp as tough guy above it all intellectuals on here can't even get published. Godspeed to all the black trannies getting published instead.

>>24886215
Just write what you want. My rule of thumb is that everybody (who matters) is seeing exactly what I'm seeing and probably thinking along similar lines at least. So far it's kept me a couple years ahead of the curve.

As a rule of thumb, it's the people like us who see this and react to it who are the trail-blazers, eventually enough people come around to our side and it becomes a discernable phenomenon, finally the big corporate interests and opprotunistic copycats get in on it and try to milk it for as much as they can, at which point it's no longer cool and you get the next movement rising up from the fringes. The Incel/Far right stuff hit it's peak five years ago, now it's played out but the corporate actors have only gotten on board within the last year. Now, idk, I think what is emerging is a kind of frantic post-political paranoia with religious undertones. Also immigration, the mass migration/deportation shit hasn't even gotten close to peaking yet and i fully expect it to collapse multiple western governments when it does.

Any good guides to self-publishing?

>>24886233
>How to Cope: Second Edition

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if your work is good it really doesn't matter. send them a sample and if they think it will sell, they will ask you for more. all those criteria are just there to weed time wasters out

the other option is self-publish on kindle and make 1 (self) + how many ever family and friends buy

>>24886215
>ride the opposite side of idpol shittery and write MGTOW sorta shit that resonates with the incels who watch youtubers
That shit doesn't sell, and there's no prestige that comes with that.

>>24881198
The funny thing is that the professional space wants nothing but female oriented slop and the independent space is basically female oriented slop.
There really is no way to grow.

>>24884627
>if I don't compile screenshots for literal randos I'm le done
I can't be fucked to go back to the drudgery of going on each of the tranny agents's page one by one to send a screenshot to you gals. As it is, I found a much better alternative today with QueryManager, at least in terms of time saved and UI (agents seem to be much less pozzed here). But I promise that if I find something similar on QueryManager or my next search I'll screencap it.

>>24886233
if you just want to say you wrote a book: doesn't matter, just upload your shit to amazon and watch it sell no copies

if you actually want to make a career out of it: forget about it. seriously, forget about it, you're more likely to get a trad publishing deal at this point than to be successful in selfpub. it's absurdly saturated. you would need to follow retarded (most likely female-oriented) trends even more slavishly than with trad pub, plus write at an absurd pace, plus do a whole other full-time job as your own publisher/publicist. it's a career for crazy people that really really REALLY want to "be writers" and at the same time don't care about the actual writing part, because that will be an afterthought.

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>>24881198
>>BIPOC representation please!
Turns out you're somehow part injun, there was a family tale about your grandmother who was Roma, you're part mexican because you're a secret lovechild.
>want women's lit
Use female pseudonym.
>is a woman
Identify as a woman.

You know that part of history where women pretended to be male to get published? We're at that part for huwite men. Just lie. It's that easy.

> don't want to become a tiktok mongrel doing dances to get the booktok audience
The /real/ problem with publishing today is that you're expected to be a dancing monkey on TikTok and bring your own readership regardless. Are they gonna promote you? No. Book tours? No. Invest multiple books developing your talent? No. You're your own brand, and the only one who's gonna work on promotion unless you start selling millions of books for them.
So the actual question is why the fuck do you need publishers? Why is that your goal? You're gonna need to create the audience regardless. What doors can they actually open for you?

>>24886250
>if your work is good it really doesn't matter. send them a sample
Even before ChatGPT there were rooms full of "the good ones" manuscripts that never got read. "If your work is good" is such a fucking cope.
> all those criteria are just there to weed time wasters out
The fuck? Look at the people getting contracts and prizes and it's all suddenly women and "POC". You think they collectively just found out they were talented? How fucking retarded are you?

>>24887994
>So the actual question is why the fuck do you need publishers? Why is that your goal? You're gonna need to create the audience regardless. What doors can they actually open for you?
placement in real book stores, being sold on amazon without the threat of getting a lifetime ban from a jeet moderator, not having to invest your own money into a high-risk selfpub venture, a guaranteed payment in the form of an advance you get to keep even if the sales are shit, getting you foreign translation and audiobook deals, connections in other industries etc etc. you would be retarded not to do tradpub if they actually want you.

and in general, as already said above, if you want to make a non-laughable amount of money writing fiction in the year of our lord 2025 getting through the tradpub gatekeeping is more viable than hoping you will magically become one of the one-in-a-million selfpub superstars. it's not even hard to write something they'd consider publishable if you're not retarded. maybe they'll only give you a shitty $5000 advance but that's one thousand times what you'd make on amazon kdp.

>>24887994
The reality is that a "legit" publisher can give you a big push and credibility, regardless of how useless they might be. From what I've read up big publishers will require you to do some marketing, yes, but they have a budget they can actually give you. But remember that they also do some marketing to help out. With indie publishers, yeah, you're fucked for the most part even though there are a few that offer marketing as well.

Also, like >>24888048 said. You have two choices. Either get trad-pubbed and at least get some sort of advance (plus royalties if you sell a certain amount) or pray to God all mighty in the sky that your self-pub book gets enough traction to recoup the marketing, editing and publishing budget + some type of profit. If there is some foothold you can get on trad pub, you should go for that for sure.

I don't care either way as much as I love writing. I'm not necessarily a doomer in this sense. If I have to self-pub just to say I did it, I'll do that and let the chips fall where they fall. This is just something I'm doing after finding out I'm gonna have a lot of free time until January so I'm dedicating myself to this.

>>24887998
christ you're such a low test baby. i can tell you should never pursue any kind of creative career because you don't have the character for it. you haven't even done anything yet and you're already in tears about what MIGHT happen, how you MIGHT be treated unfairly, abloo bloo bloo. an actual setback would kill you. pick a less demanding pursuit.

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>>24884627
>>24884675
>>24881518

>>24888083
>https://www.aevitascreative.com/our-team
>agency has like 80 employees
>zero in on the mentally ill turboleftist with colored hair
>cry about how she doesn't want you as a client
you have troon levels of imaginary victimhood. why would you even consider this bitch as an option? why not click on one of the dozens of normal-looking people? there's multiple male agents even just within this one agency that say nothing about "queers" or "bipocs" in their bios. your own retarded brain is your biggest enemy, not mindy mctroonlover.

>>24888080
>my mindless optimism based on ignorance is valid because uh wait I don’t actually have an argument I’m just going to project my insecurities
As expected.

>>24888186
it's not "optimism," it's having a functional male endocrine system. you're supposed to do things, see what problems arise and deal with them, not have a preemptive crying fit about what might happen. that's estrogen, it's woman behavior. you are obviously not fit for this, and you know it, and you're setting yourself up for failure already.

I'm in the same boat. It feels too easy to just complain that things have somehow gotten worse. Plenty of 19th and 20th century authors I like struggled to get their work published. Also, what's most popular is always quite bad. What's the conclusion? No clue. I'll just keep trying to pretend my work fits into these premade dumbed-down shapes, which are an insult to every writer regardless of identity.

>>24881198
It's just like with everything else, if you are not nepo baby and are not part of diversity quotas, you need to be very lucky and very good to even have a chance (to even get someone reading excerpt from your manuscript), you can get higher chances if you socialize and get friends in the publishing circles - then they will give you that chance.

>>24888123
>why would you even consider this bitch as an option?
When did I say I would, retard? Read slowly what I've outlined and notice that my observations included these types of agents or that they are CLOSED to submissions. I've also spoken on the positive agents I've found. Of course I don't even bother sending anything to these skags. Why are you being such a bad faith faggot?

>>24888275
OP here and I agree. Don't take my venting or journaling of what I've found for being a doomer. I'm gonna do whatever I can but also be realistic about the tradpub industry.

Also update: I've found two agents that were open to submission and fit my niche. Gonna try and at least find 3 more before I go to bed today but I think 2 agents that are open to my specific niche is a good find.

Sent 4 queries today. The thing is you have to make each query unique so that it doesn't look like you're just spamming everybody with ChatGPT slop. But 'tis all good. Tomorrow we keep going until I reach 10 queries

>>24881198

I've been querying all day, too. I've run into the same thing.

It's kind of disheartening.

>>24889190
Keep going, man. It is what it is. Question to you, though. Do you constantly revise the book you are trying to get picked up on or do you start working on something else as you start querying?

>>24889139
i am done querying when i get to 100 and then i will just focus on getting ready to self-publish

>>24888326
for literary fiction at least, you have to have a history of publications of short stories or poems. that's what they're looking for. it doesn't have to be the new yorker either. it can be a bunch of third-rate publications but they need that to be able to sell it to the publisher.

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I've ultimately decided to self-publish on my own website and use my social media to promote it. I've had people with knowledge of the publishing industry tell me my story is too weird for regular publishing anyway, so I might as well put it out there myself.

>>24889139
I'm at the phase of querying where I stopped giving a fuck. I used to personalize each cover letter. Now all I change is the name and address at the top.

>>24890733
Post story when done, anon. I'm interested

>>24890737
I'll probably get there at some point. When I say personalized, though, I don't mean writing it from scratch. Just changing the wording here and there and making the hook different for each agent

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>>24890783
>Post story when done, anon. I'm interested

Well self-promotion is generally frowned on on /lit/, but I may post it. Or it may find its way here of its own accord as it spreads across the internet.

The thing about the story is that it's REALLY big. It's got more than half a dozen book-length installments so far and I'm not even close to done. It's my magnum opus. So I figure if I put it out chapters at a time, a chapter a week, I'll be at it for a while, and I'll gradually build up a following.

>>24890790
You said it's weird so I'm guessing it's not epic fantasy. I'd like to see it come out but I probably won't hear anymore of you when this thread dies

>>24890798
It's science fiction, actually, but not your typical hard sci-fi. It's got a lot of metaphysics in it. It is, frankly, a very religious story, a very Christian one. The Divine Comedy was one of my major inspirations for it.

But I may post it on /lit/, once I'm underway in releasing chapters of it. We'll see.

>>24886233
There is no guide, really. Youll spend money and make very little back.

>>24886250
I can tell you’ve never queried. Most times they don’t even open the file or scroll down to the sample if they wanted it pasted below the letter.

>>24889139
You absolutely do not need to send a new query to every agent. Just change any comp titles to fit ones from the agency or agent and maybe pick up on a detail in their profile and add or subtract based on it.

Why do publishers expect you to write a whole manuscript they won't even read in order to submit it to them? It's crazy how worthless they think peoples' time is and how devalued writing is. I should send in a pitch and some sample pages and get paid upfront to write a book for them if they're interested. This isn't a charity

>>24891363
yes

>>24881198
>publishing
Mainstream publishing means that you're looking in to making a profitable CONSUMABLE PRODUCT. Not a work of art or any of this shit.
Profitable publishers know what makes money and what doesn't and unfortunatelly that usually is slop. The only exceptions being veteran authors that already have a sizeable and profitable following.

If you aren't mass producing slop you have no choice but cover the risks yourself by self publishing or find some hyper niche publisher that aligns with your work.

>>24891371
>cover the risks yourself by self publishing
It's literally free to do this btw. There's absolutely zero (0!) downside other than maybe getting evicirated by the critics or letting down your fans.

>>24891351
how can you tell?

>>24881198
>most of today
Like with any job, it might take some months before you find someone good.
It's possible you have done this already, but publishing short stuff on magazines helps a lot being noticed, so it might be worth getting some shorter stuff out as you look for an agent.
For the rest, don't lose faith and keep insisting anon. They say it's over for the sensitive young man, but it's not true. Publishing books is hard and frustrating but it's still doable provided that you have some good material. Keep writing and sending your stuff out. Do not give up.