Any of you use one of these?
>>23628930precisely 80s
>>23625321I'm gonna cum.
>>23624486just buy an e-reader and prop it up on something
>>23631529>e-readerthose are for the bus/train or when you're visiting relatives, not for serious reading
>>23625983Define girl
Thoughts?
>>23632328>"A Jew was behind the incitement of various kinds of tribal arrogance in the last Caliphate; the (fomenting) of revolutions which began with the removal of the shari‘ah from the legislation and substituting for it ‘The Constitution’ during the period of the Sultan Abdul Hamid II; and the ‘hero’ Ataturk’s ending of the Caliphate. Then behind the subsequent war declared against the first signs of Islamic revival, from every place on the face of the earth ... stood the Jews."based
I started reading philosophy one month ago and so far I have finished the early socratic dialogues by Plato (Listed at the end of the post). Plato is very subtle and humble in his knowledge, so help me understand if what I'm interpreting is correct or not. He always plays humble to question his opponents but it seems like his arguing always goes in the same direction when arguing about "what is virtue", but he never finishes the idea. From what I read I assume that, for Plato, "virtue", in every form, comes from knowledge. Is this correct? He always compares the other forms of "virtue" and at the end they all come from knowledge, so am I missinterpreting something? Is Socrathes/Plato playing like a cat with a mouse when saying that "they don't know what virtue is"? Or am I missing something and he really doesn't know it? I understand that Socrathes' philosophy is "All I know is that I know nothing" but it seems to be a subtle answer hidden in his questions. Dialogues are: Apology, Laches, Charmides, Lysis, Eutyphro, Hippias minor, Ion, Crito, Protagoras, Gorgias, and Euthydemus.
OP here. I finished Menon today. Plato introduces reminiscence in this dialogue, which is the belief that we already know everything but we need to "remember it". I didn't really get how he got to that conclusion but I guess he will later. For me, what he did with the boy, is easy to explain. We gather information in our brains, but knowledge comes from the correct connection of said inforation. So for example, I can get the information of what a line is, and what the number 4 is, and to know what is a square I connect both inside y brain. But these connections only come through indagation or questioning. I am not a neuroscientist, but this is how the brain works with neurons and neurons' connections, right? I know this is supposed to be idealist and not materialism but I can't really understand his logic here. Does he thinks that because the soul is immortal, then that means it's eternal, then the soul lived an infinite amount of time before us, thus the soul knowed everything at some point? Or am I missing something? So he doesn't beliefs that the soul "started" somewhere, but that it always existed?
>>23631612I think Recollection is meant to be something that encourages investigation in the face of a particular kind of dogmatic skepticism, while not necessarily being an adequate account of knowledge by itself. If you look at how Socrates initially discusses it, the soul is in fact said to learn things in Hades, hence it doesn't just automatically have knowledge that it needs to recall once embodied ("Inasmuch as the soul is immortal and has been born many times and has seen all things both here and in the house of Hades, there is nothing which it has not learned.")The purpose of it, at the point it appears in the dialogue, is to prevent Meno from deciding that investigation is pointless and remaining satisfied with his mere opinions. You should also observe that Recollection immediately after the slaveboy example gets replaced with hypothesis as a method of investigation.Recollection comes up again in both the Phaedrus and Phaedo, but in the Phaedrus it's in a myth that seems to emphasize that there's not total knowledge, but glimpses of the Forms (called hyperuranins there), and in the Phaedo, it's just assumed that Recollection works and is used only to attempt to prove the immortality of the soul (and it's played off a little as a joke; the two main speakers Socrates talks to are Pythagoreans who can't remember this topic that Socrates sometimes brings up that resembles the Pythagorean teaching of the transmigration of the soul).
>>23628768You can read all their fragments in like 10 minutes
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At that point Plato really didn't think he knew.
Thoughts on Greek/Latin novels?Overlooked, or fortunate to have even survived textual transmission?
>>23630772They're great. Callirhoe is my favorite. Over the top, pretty simple but well written Greek, good story. Although I haven't read the Aethiopica yet.>>23631237There are 5:CallirhoeDaphnis and ChloeLeucippe and ClitophonEphesian TaleAethiopica
>>23631273meant for >>23631245Also there are like 4 Byzantine novels although I haven't read them
The Golden Ass and the Satyricon are both a lot of fun.
>>23631524It's a shame the Satyricon didn't survive in its entirety because it's peak comedy. I find interesting that those two are related to the cult of Isis.
>>23632293The cult of Priapus is central to what survives of the fragments of Satyricon and the novel was likely based around a vengeful Priapus in a way meant to harken to the vengeful Poseidon of the Odyssey. I can’t remember anything about Isis in the Satyricon.
Who is the literary equivalent of the GOAT?
Shakey
>>23632300Dante or Homer. Just as you can get everything in poetry from Homer, you can get everything in music from Bach. But Homer was a pagan and Bach a Christian. So perhaps, a figure no lower in majesty, the more correct equivalent would be Dante, who gave the highest expression to the Christian religion in his art, with unparalleled formal perfection, and a piercing intensity of expression.
Anon what is your comfort book/series?
Grimm's fairy talesfirst two Harry Potter books
>>23630898always this. It makes me feel like a lion.
The Godfather.
>>23630898Improvidence was pretty cozy.
Seethe editionPrevious >>23627328
I reverted back to my childhood self after considering what I really desire.
>>23632269What do you really desire?
Had some fish and chips for lunch, that's all I'm gonna eat today, I've got a chocolate bar but I'll leave that for tomorrow.
>>23632271Lackadaisical kookiness
>>23630008Can't decide what to do. My landlord is selling the house I'm renting so I need to find a new place.Posted about this before, in the last wwoym, but my roommates are total degens. At the same time finding a place together has obvious advantages. It's usually cheaper, and I know they can be trusted as I've already lived with them for a year.If I'm honest I don't really like them, but finding a place on my own and with new roommates feels risky. And ive also grown used to and familiar with my current roommates
The man who destroyed /lit/
>>23631224This incoherent retard who can’t even get his own theology straight? Yeah man, really put me in my place
>>23631224this looks like tucker carlson after surviving a concentration camp
still need to see that cliffe and kanye link up
Why is Christianity shrinking while Islam thrives? Is the Quran a better Holy book than the Bible?
>>23632134>1 Cor 6:19-20 Whether ye know not, that your members be the temple of the Holy Ghost, that is in you, whom ye have of God, and ye be not your own? For ye be bought with great price. Glorify ye, and bear ye God in your body.
>>23632172>God dwells within believers, not in rocks and wood.Why'd God ask for a Temple? Why'd God ask for an Ark with golden statues of saints on top of it?
>>23629741>they [mudslimes] are significantly better at having a sense of communityOnly where they are the minority. The infighting begins as soon as they conquery a location.
>>23632212>Why'd God ask for a Temple? Why'd God ask for an Ark with golden statues of saints on top of it?refer to Marcion of Sinop filthy satanist
>>23632212Were they just being cheeky with the golden calves?
By far my favourite genre is classics, especially those of the 20th century. And American literature is always the best in my opinion, it's so much more more gritty yet heartfelt than the British classics. I'm interested in more niche books that you think would warrant it being a "classic" regardless of it's actual critical success, from either 20th or 19th century USA or Canada (Where I'm from). Especially those in the whole movement with Cormac McCarthy and Flannery O'Conner.
>>23632113Tales of a TravellerSheppard Lee, Written by HimselfThe Partisan: A Romance of RevolutionMiss Ravenel's Conversion from Secession to LoyaltyMont-Saint-Michel and ChartresIndian SummerWinesburg, OhioThe Snow GooseThe Beetle Leg
>>23632177I have heard of the snow goose. I will definitely take these recommendations into account.
what did we think of it?
>female authorwe don't think about it at all
>>23632158>Fiction written by a womanInto the trash it goes
>>23632260>>23632294>filtered by women pitiful, really
>But the Consul's brow was sad, >And the Consul's speech was low,>And darkly looked he at the wall, >And darkly at the foe. >"Their van will be upon us >Before the bridge goes down;>And if they once may win the bridge, >What hope to save the town?">Then out spake brave Horatius, >The Captain of the Gate:>"To every man upon this earth >Death cometh soon or late. >And how can man die better >Than facing fearful odds, Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>23632240To me nothing seems more natural than that the Son of Man, when such God-given mandate first prophetically stirs within him, and the Clay must now be vanquished or vanquish,—should be carried of the spirit into grim Solitudes, and there fronting the Tempter do grimmest battle with him; defiantly setting him at naught till he yield and fly. Name it as we choose: with or without visible Devil, whether in the natural Desert of rocks and sands, or in the populous moral Desert of selfishness and baseness,—to such Temptation are we all called. Unhappy if we are not! Unhappy if we are but Half-men, in whom that divine handwriting has never blazed forth, all-subduing, in true sun-splendor; but quivers dubiously amid meaner lights: or smoulders, in dull pain, in darkness, under earthly vapors!—Our Wilderness is the wide World in an Atheistic Century; our Forty Days are long years of suffering and fasting: nevertheless, to these also comes an end. Yes, to me also was given, if not Victory, yet the consciousness of Battle, and the resolve to persevere therein while life or faculty is left. To me also, entangled in the enchanted forests, demon-peopled, doleful of sight and of sound, it was given, after weariest wanderings, to work out my way into the higher sunlit slopes—of that Mountain which has no summit, or whose summit is in Heaven only!
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Would Nietzsche approve? I think he would.
>>23631395>>23631502>>23632129I swear to god some of you need your fucking internet privileges revoked.
Christians getting mad over people having some fun and expressing themselves is a textbook example of what Nietzsche means when he pointed out how life denying Christians are literally>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STOP HAVING FUN YOU MUST BE PROSTRATING AND SELF-FELLAGELLATING FOR THE AFTERLIFE Christians are anti-life itself
>>23630885Masonic, anti-human Jew propaganda mocking Christianity to spiritually corrupt humanity.
>>23632246I'm not a Christian and disdain many aspects of it but that is clearly a mocking of it, which metaphysically is "satanic".Nietzsche would hold them in contempt for being resentful little degenerates and egalitarians.
>>23632246kek subhuman Saturn worshipperhow long do you think you can enforce abstract inversions this time?
Reading novels has ruined video games for me. Even the best written video games (e.g. Fallout New Vegas) are childish compared to great literature. Has this happened to anyone else?
>>23632033Do you believe conflating the feeling of being entertained with the quality of the thing in question is a reasonable way to determine its artistic merit? Because I can be entertained for hours on end by things on the internet while at the same time acknowledge that they're utter dogshit, and I assure you there's no shortage of other people who'd tell you the same.
>>23632033The Call of Cthulhu
>>23621528I'm going to give you a "lol," but I will not give you a "lmao even."
>>23623179You can't enjoy Disco Elysium and accuse other people of vapid smugness. That's just not how this works.
>>23632033Hitchhiker's Guide to the GalaxyDuneThe Stainless Steel RatThe Stars, My DestinationI am LegendThe Dying EarthOh you want me to mention non- SF/F?Don QuixoteGulliver's TravelsKimWhite FangComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
Seriously, what the fuck is it about this novel that people like so much? Murakami must have an obsession with breasts as he can’t go more than five paragraphs without mentioning it.With 1100 pages in this piece of shit, I was expecting it to AT LEAST have a better story.Prose is also mediocre trash.
>>23631577>Murakami must have an obsession with breasts as he can’t go more than five paragraphsYou have convinced me to read this book.
>>23631937I cracked that one open all by meself. Breasts are nice, but one must see through them.
>>23631895Murakami is popular basically because>thing :/>thing, Japan :oI remember seeing somewhere, I think the back of my copy of Norwegian Wood, that Murakami is considered a controversial author in his homeland. When I looked into it over a decade ago, the only "controversy" I saw appeared to be difficulties pigeon-holing him as either "pop lit" or "actual art." Using different terms, of course, but the point was it seemed his "strength" was just that his prose is mildly better than the average light novel. There isn't much to set Murakami aside from e.g. NISIOISIN.Harold Bloom has that infamous line twisting the meaning of Stephen King's thing about children who like Rowling growing up to be adults who like King. When I was 15 I read a lot of Palahniuk and Irvine Welsh, and when I was 18 I read a lot of Murakami. I think the idea is similar. You aren't reading Murakami because he's "good"; you're reading him because people who don't read think he's "good" and recommended accordingly.Having said that, I enjoyed most of all I've read from him. But I also enjoy Bleach and Naruto as a 30-year-old.
>>23632091>enjoying narutoWhat did you get out of old Nurutu?
so are you demoflat or rebooblican
