What did you read as a kid? My grandma got me pic related and I loved it
I had that exact volume plus a few othersIt's funny looking back at what I read as a kid, it's no surprise that I am an orientalist now
>>25510574This minus twilight. Wonder if we're around the same age.
Basically anything from the scholastic book fair.
>>25512390Yeah lol I read twilight bc a girl I liked was into it. t. 28
I had a complete Animorphs collection, including the companion books.
Are there any female authors you actually enjoy?
I thought The Secret History was unironically pretty good
>>25488298No
>>25488298sure, Agatha Christie, Virginia Woolf, Ursula Le Guin, a bunch of various minor poets
>>25512214I should’ve specified, it ruined millennial women. Ask a millennial woman what her favourite classic is and they will often say The Bell Jar. This is especially true among those that exclusively read romance slop and contemporary. They also probably read it in their teens which had catastrophic effects on their impressionable, half formed brains by romanticising the suffering, indecision, nihilism and repulsion towards men. I don’t hate the book or Plath though.
>>25488298Pic related is my favorite fiction and some of the greatest prose in the English language.
What would /wng/ do in this situation editionStubbed >>25499952>What is /wng/ — Web Novel General?A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more>Why read web novels?Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.>Why write web novels?Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.>Advice for Noobs!Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>25511093>She thinks and acts like she's the real protagonist, which makes her more fun than the other charactersSee, this is what I'm talking about. Fun at all costs. People will gladly read a murderhobo asshole book, so why not a misandrist book?
>>25511638Why lie so boldly, butthead?
>>25511686>>25511700>>25511795I try to reply to all comments but sometimes life just gets in the way. I also feel like my readers deserve better than a oneliner quip made when I'm dead tired.Then again I don't write for retards, so it might be different for me.
>>25512535Same. When a comment is short and doesn't say much, or is 'tftc' tier, I just give them rep and move on. If they ever put effort into it, I try to reciprocate.Give what you get basically.
>>25512331Callimachus would hurl at the idea of such a monstrosity of a "work"
In the medieval era, we seemed to value the Aeneid more than the Iliad or the Odyssey; before then, they valued the Iliad most highly. Now, though, we seem to have decided that the Odyssey is the superior hero, then the Iliad, and lastly the Aeneid. What gives? It's easy to find films and literature about the Iliad and Odyssey, whereas most people don't even recognise the name Aeneid.
>>25509525Hephaestus is also disfigured but he is held in high esteem due to his works, and is arguably the kindest of the gods in the Iliad. You are correct that his outside appearance reflects his insides, but it's not that simple, just like telling the truth is not as simple as just saying what everyone is thinking. The easy way out is not necessarily the right way. If we were to follow the line of thought that he is speaking for the soldiers, then he speaks of mortal good, and Odysseus swiftly beats the immortal good into him, following a frequently recurring theme of the story. But personally I think his buffoonery is simply there to make the audience question if Achilles, who's argument he is mirroring, is truly so noble. And in continuing with this, Odysseus is a reflection of Agamemnon in this scene. But of course it's all open to interpretation and several Greek philosophers have spoke of him.
>>25509015NTA but I'll be a bit controversial and say while I think Homer is great, Virgil who had the benefit of centuries of additional literary and philosophical development, in addition to other great epics like the Argonautica to draw on, does quite a few things Homer doesn't which makes his book a much more satisfying and enjoyable read. We get a more complete story for Aeneas since it combines the voyaging of the odyssey in the first half, and the war of the illiad in the second half. Dido is a much more inteteresting and compelling female character/love interest than any in Homer. Its connections to the contemporary politics and recent and legemdary history of Rome as a self conscious epic of the Augustin Age is very interesting to me as a historian, while any history or political messaging in homer is either obscure or muddled. It also is much more compelling from being a book written after the hellenistic age introduced to the west theological concepts of divine good and evil from zoroastrianism. That filters down to the mortal characters, creating a morality of progress, creating a better world for future generations through righteous action. A morality you absolutely will not find in Homer, with his outlook of man as mere "autumn leaves" destined to fall and be replaced. Each generation grows only to be cut down in an unceasing and unchanging cycle. Even living a life of glory is pointless, as the shade of Achilles famously says. In the Aeneid we are told all of the sacrifices of the characters will ultimately bring about the glory of Rome. None of it is pointless.Parts of the book, and the last few chapters especially are admittedly a bit rough due to the book being unfinished though.
>>25509618Thank you for your response. I'm reading through the Aenid again soon and I'll keep some of this in mind. Maybe I'll find some new things to take interest in.
>>25504102This nigga rules.
>>25509438>In fact in the medieval times symphatize with Hector over AchillesIsn't everyone like that though?
I had only "read" an abridged version of Moby Dick in high school 15+ years ago. Have had a (real) version on my shelf for years now, somewhat saving it for who knows what. After engaging with serious literature for nearly 10 years now, I was immensely excited to get into this true American classic. This pinnacle of literature that uncovers unspoken truths about our human condition, struggle, and retribution.>mfw it's another noble savage novel. Europeans are the true savages also idiots compared to natives. Also, our religion is just like, stupid, yaknow? Also Queerqueg is hot, I want to make it clear to the reader he is VERY handsome and muscular despite his rough exteriorBravo Melville. You would have made an excellent writer for Netflix had you been born a millennial
>>25510328All the introductory chapters involving Queerqueg are noble savage posturing. Very blatantly so. I’m not sure what you’re confused about>why would white man laugh at my when they are idiots and don’t understand our rituals>saves drowning country bumpkin who was mocking him just earlier and is hero of the schooner >is in successive line of brave, fearless kings He even goes as far as proclaiming the Nantucket natives as the true conquerors of all the seas and therefore having the most expansive kingdom in the world. It’s eye roll leftist garbage
>>25509774You're projecting 2020s culture war politics onto a man who lived a century and a half ago, and more importantly you haven't even gotten past the first few chapters.
>>25509774Chapter 58 was where it peaked for me.>For as this appalling ocean surrounds the verdant land, so in the soul of man there lies one insular Tahiti, full of peace and joy, but encompassed by all the horrors of the half known life. God keep thee! Push not off from that isle, thou canst never return!Maybe skip the book and play the video game instead?
>>25510608But he wrote this at the tail end of the American Indian war. It would be akin to someone gushing over a cartel member today, giving him zero negative qualities (and also making him very sexy [and genteel])
>>25511112>baddies can't be sexy
Why is this tweaker LARPing as a christcuck all of a sudden? Did he seriously get oneshotted by Dugin's Kremlin propaganda that masquerades as "deep theology"?
>>25511540>new-atheism"Burroughs names the dominant control program One God Universe, or OGU. He wages war against the fiction of OGU, which builds its monopolistic dominion upon the magical power of the Word: upon programming and illusion. OGU establishes a fiction, which operates at the most fatal level of reality, where questions of biological destiny and immortality are decided. “Religions are weapons” (WL202).In order to operate effectively, OGU must first of all deny the existence of magical war itself. There is only one reality: its own. In writing about magical war, Burroughs is thus already initiating an act of war against OGU, mainlining contestation into ‘primal unity’. OGU incorporates all competing fictions into its own story (the ultimate metanarrative), reducing alternative reality systems to negatively-marked components of its own mythos: other reality programs become Evil, associated with the powers of deception and delusion. OGU’s power works through fictions that repudiate their own fictional status: antifictions and unnonfictions. ‘And that’, Kaye said, ‘is why fiction can be a weapon in the struggle against Control’.In OGU, fiction is safely contained by a metaphysical ‘frame’, prophylactically delimiting all contact between the fiction and what is outside it. The magical function of words and signs is both condemned as evil and declared to be delusory, facilitating a monopoly upon the magical power of language for OGU (which of course denies that its own mythos exerts any magical influence, presenting it as a simple representation of Truth). But OGU’s confidence that fiction has safely been contained means that anti-OGU agents can use fiction as a covert line of communication and a secret weapon: “he concealed and revealed the knowledge in fictional form” (WV 455).This, for Kaye, was “a formula for hyperstitional practice”. Diagrams, maps, sets of abstract relations, tactical gambits, are as real in a fiction about a fiction about a fiction as they are encountered raw, but subjecting such semiotic contraband to multiple embeddings allows a traffic in materials for decoding dominant reality that would otherwise be proscribed. Rather than acting as transcendental screens, blocking out contact between itself and the world, the fiction acts as a Chinese box – a container for sorcerous interventions in the world. The frame is both used (for concealment) and broken (the fictions potentiate changes in reality)."
>>25511540>>255117022/2"Whereas hyperstitional agitation produces a ‘positive unbelief’ – a provisionalizing of any reality frame in the name of pragmatic engagement rather than epistemological hesitation – OGU feeds on belief. In order to work, the story that runs reality has to be believed, which is also to say that the existence of a control program determining reality must not be suspected or believed. Credulity in the face of the OGU meta-narrative is inevitably coupled with a refusal to accept that entities like Control have any substantive existence. That’s why, to get out of OGU, a systematic shedding of all beliefs is a prerequisite. “Only those who can leave behind everything they have ever believed in can hope to escape” (WL116). Techniques of escape depend on attaining the unbelief of assassin-magician Hassan i Sabbah: nothing is true, everything is permitted. Once again, Kaye cautioned that this must be carefully distinguished from ‘postmodern relativism’. Burroughs-Sabbah’s ‘nothing is true’ cannot be equated with postmodernism’s ‘nothing is real’. On the contrary: nothing is true because there is no single, authorized version of reality – instead, there is a superfluity, an excess, of realities. “The Adversary’s game plan is to persuade you that he does not exist” (WL12)."
>>25511443Daniel Miller and Nina Power vs Luke Turner. The former were / are big Landians, and sued the latter for calling them fascists.
>>25511540Meanwhile you're still pretending it's 2013 and acting like it's edgy to say, "erm akshully Christianity is way better than these hecking new atheists" You niggers think the earth is 2000 years old, and flat. You niggers worship a yid who commanded people chop their foreskins off and then randomly said psych. It's time to stop living in a state of cognitive dissonance and go full or Jew lover or switch to being a Platonist if you just can't live without the "positive" aspects of the psyop. Stop embarrassing yourself.
>>25511427I'm white, this is projection from you and your fellow christcucks as your religion gets browner and browner by the year
Have you read The Novel of the Century?https://archive.is/20260831121338/https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/30/books/review/the-disappearers-marlon-james.html
>>25512550literature isn't a high school essay u can write however u feel ok
>>25512554And I am free to say what works and doesn't. Even if it's to me
>>25512565>self-published amazon who tries to critique prose of award winning professional novelistwhatever helps u cope
>>25512550>>25512550>Like "That's not true" line. It's him looking back at what he thought, and he interrupts it with something new. Wouldn't that require a new paragraph? Because he's clearly thinking about something else.Adding paragraph breaks would give it a more polished and dramatic feeling, whereas keeping it in one paragraph as James did gives a greater sense of immediacy and flow. It is a literary choice and the latter is more appropriate for the kind of book James seems to have written
>>25512570It's interesting choice that I am not used to. I've seen thick paragraphs, but it had a point, almost essay quality.Like here: the narrator isn't thinking this in real time as much as he's reporting the facts. Like he did with unfortunately. That's a beat to signal there is a turn, a shift in the paragraph.Maybe something like "Wait, that's not true" would have eased my senses, as if to say the narrator paused for a moment to remember he doesn't have it. That is what I was thinking about. Without it, we just skipped a beat. But I do see that it was a deliberate technique and I will admit I may be too uncultured to get it
/tg/ has one so why isn't there a /lit/ one?Feels like a bit of an oversight.
>>25511203Because all good books are available for free from standardebooks, project gutenberg and wikisource. The trash that is not public domain yet is available on annas archive.
>>25511203/lit/ only reads physical books.
>>25512577Thanks, milpool.
Silky EditionPrevious: >>25505747
>>25512567oh shit i still have busy work left from work cuz this lady came in and distracted me with pointless shit maybe i'll do it tomorrow
man my roommate wasn't home when i got home from work i had a chance to goon for a while but i took a nap and went for a walk instead damn i'm just not that horny these days
>>25512573have you considered seeing your doctor about low T?
I now own copies of All Tomorrows & Man After Man. My teenaged self would be very jealous.
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I just learned that classical Latin poetry doesn't intentionally rhyme. Instead it uses a pattern of short and long syllables to create a musical effect. This is because rhyming words would be too easy in Latin because of the grammatical endings. Too many words have the same ending, -ibus and whatnot. Whenever there is rhyme it's just a coincidence.https://youtu.be/N7ugsQxe-Bw&t=10
>>25508657This guy's such a lolcow, oh my god
>>25508657no this is how its read for artistic effecthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmttZ-BnwaI&list=RDXmttZ-BnwaI&start_radio=1
>>25510048Doesn't very early Brittonic poetry rhyme? Not sure if that was an original or imported trait.
In case anyone is new to poetry and doesn't know how to read it, the following links are good models. Verse reading is just as much a declining art as writing poetry itself. As Yeats explains, the rhythm should be emphasised to distinguish it from prose. That's how everyone read poetry for hundreds of years, it's only post-WW2 that people started to read poetry like prose. Listen to how the poets read it:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTGkrWFHrLkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2FT4_UUa4Ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d7-yvs8-JEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rpFBSO65P4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtyH7LnBwmAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr2creTROAY
>>25510379Why did you post that book?
>>25511370>recognizing whatever normie friendhaver app this is from
>>25511396not having friends and being a neet shut-in is normie now, if anything.
>>25511134fuck me what is that guys name again in the background? hes some pedo retard named werner something
>>25511518Lucas WernerFeel the wern baby
>>25511134Book of the New Sun
I have 24 hours to study for an english exam that will allow me to be a member of an elite study group in my college.recommend books that could help me /int/ bros.
I meant /lit/ bros, sorry
>>25512555sell your soul to a demon or read as much wikipedia as you can, its too late for textbooks now.
Just picked up copies of The Iliad and The OdysseyAfter all the Nolan film nonsense I decided I should finally get around to reading these two books. Copies I have: Oxford World's Classics. Iliad - Fitzgerald, Odyssey - VerityAny genuine advice for reading them? I have a bulk lot of litchart guides I grabbed ages ago. So I have those guides for both of them. Better than nothing, but I'm sure there must be better options. I've never read this type of lit before.
>Any genuine advice for reading them?Read them. Make a note (whether mental or in a physical notebook) of things you find interesting, things that puzzle you, things you don't know, things your recognize. Relate them to things you've read before or things you feel like you should read more of. Act accordingly.That's it. Return to these text or at least your notes over time. Reflect on them again
>>25508815can apu read homeric greek??
The Nolan?
>>25508743>I'm trying to read more fiction.Why are you reading Homer then?
>>25511283>believing in cyclopes, six-headed monsters and sirensyikes
like you wouldn't believe
>>25509531No way is it really you butterfly
>>25504449
>>25509531glad you are still alive queen
poor xi jinping of smoking weed he just gets no love well t b h he shouldn't he didn't read he just watched midwit cinema and smoked weed also he was a simp who blew his whole python codemonkey salary taking women on dates at expensive restaurants until he was inevitably laid off for being incompetent
>>25509531Sorry for the handful of times I called you mean names, it was uncalled for and juvenile.
If you haven’t read him then you need to. Stop paying attention to slop, hit the gold
>>25509803Larry Ellison owns TikTok now, congress literally passed a law that China had to sell it to him
>>25502759>Nick Land is the only living relevant philosopheryou can't even structure a sentence properly
>>25502829honestly add Tim Pool to the list
>>25502860I agree that the new age post-MAGA Vance accelerationist chuddies will dominate the X (Twitter) zeitgeist in 2028, certainly with the help of Musk himself turning the platform into a pro-Vance echo chamber for the entire election, which is basically billions in free campaign money worth of propaganda for Vance, but even with all that help and the billions he'll get in donations from all the other tech billionaires, Vance will still go on to lose the 2028 election because he's the most insufferable 90 IQ reject in politics. But the 2028 accelerationist movement will have the same long term affect as the 2016 MAGA movement, meaning that in the 2032 and 2036 elections you'll have an even better chance at some kind of hyper accelerationist transhumanist chud who spent 10 years watching accelerationist nuke edits on TikTok and his main goal as president will be to make sure all 8,000 nukes on earth are deployed (if for nothing, for the memes alone).
>>25512542republicans gonna get blown out worse than mccain after bush ruined gop brand in the 2000s. they have to get inflation under control. the economy is not even that bad, but no one can relax cuz prices keep going up endlessly, mostly cuz of tariffs and failed wars. if he had just left the world alone, the fed could be cutting rates instead of having to raise them this month.
