Are we at the end of History? Are we the Last Man? Or is Fukuyama's thesis, as Derrida says, a gospel for the death of Marxism?>The protocol of our conference evokes the example of the book by Francis Fukuyama, The End of History and the Last Man. Is not what we have here a new gospel, the noisiest, the most mediatized [médiatique], the most “successful” one on the subject of the death of Marxism as the end of history? This work frequently resembles, it is true, the disconcerting and tardy by-product of a “footnote”: nota bene for a certain Kojève who deserved better. Yet the book is not as bad or as naive as one might be led to think by the frenzied exploitation that exhibits it as the finest ideo-logical showcase of victorious capitalism in a liberal democracy which has finally arrived at the plenitude of its ideal, if not of its reality. In fact, although it remains essentially, in the tradition of Leo Strauss relayed by Allan Bloom, the grammar school exercise of a young, industrious, but come-lately reader of Kojève (and a few others), one must recognize that here or there this book goes beyond nuance and is sometimes suspensive to the point of indecision. To the questions elaborated in its own fashion, it on occasion ingenuously adds, so as to cover all the bases, what it calls “two broad responses, from the Left and the Right, respectively” (p. xxii). It would thus merit a very close analysis. This evening we will have to limit ourselves to what concerns the general structure of a thesis indispensable, precisely in the very structure of its logic, in the formulation of its formula, to the anti-Marxist conjuration. It is by design, of course, that we called it a moment ago a “gospel.” Why a gospel? Why would the formula here be neotestamentary? This book claims to bring a “positive response” to a question whose formation and formulation are never interrogated in themselves.
>>24931366>iirc the most common feature that appealed to them was the idea that a monarch, at least a good one, was beholden to his people and would therefore produce good results for society in the form of the standard of living, culture, etc.The other issue is that monarchy didn't give you 100% control over every single person 100% of the time. It was a combination of "big government for the important things" such as defense of the country, and "fuck off and pay taxes" for most of your daily life.The Prussians of course changed this, and with modern technology, it would be 200% control, so it's just nostalgia baiting really. Any system is shit with today's technology.
>>24931989>that insists things like cheap education is woke and bad.How is it not?
>>24931387>In the West we have no problem criticizing our governments and societies, and these people specialize in doing so to make their alternatives seem appealingwell said. notice that whenever a shill says something negative about your (western) country, if you reply with something that highlights that their country is even worse about it, they'll just stop replying or they'll immediately resort to whataboutism. they have a literal instruction manual that they just read from>>24931382>>24931999as far as i know of it, the western world suffered immensely with the defeat of napoleon - similarly to rome's defeat of caesar - as it ensured for good that wealthy bankers would finally have control of most major western institutions. if you keep following their footsteps from that point on, you'll slowly start to see the extent of their control over essentially every major social and private organisation and movement and even some minor ones, too. the wars, the feminist movement, the long march through the institutions, mid 20th century art movements, the list is seemingly endless and every other month i'm learning about a newly published book which is a re-print of one that went out of print decades ago which had startling information on the topic. academic agent sometimes talks about these. make no mistake, there is no such thing as a coincidence in politicswhile it's true that western ruling class would rather destroy the entire civilisation than relinquish power willingly, it's up to us to sift the propaganda foreign or domestic from what must be done to allow us to achieve freedom and success once more. something must be done about them and at this point nobody is coming to save us
>>24933619> art movements, the list is seemingly endless and every other month i'm learning about a newly published book which is a re-print of one that went out of print decades ago which had startling information on the topic.Such as? One of the things I hate most about this topic is that you cannot bring up the fact that bankers dominate the west without libtards screeching about anti-semeitism.
>>24932247The United States will face extreme hardships and then the antichrist will rise from the new nationAll the fools who wish upon America's demise have no idea what will follow
billions must cry
>>24933652You will never be a woman.
>>24933652how big is your cock and why did your wife starve herself to death
>>24933657>>24933671I will show you my vagina
>>24933679you've scared me off
>>24933558she fits well in lit. secular atheist develops interest in god, rejects orthodoxy, embraces mysticism and schizophrenia, mixes philosophy and theology into a bizarre syncretic mismash, and never actially goes to church, despite christian "spirituality" being at the center of it.
>tfw you read what some autist wrote about Aristotle's PA, mixed modal syllogisms, and how Averroes figured it out for a few hours and now you understand it all no better feeling. and I got that education for free ^_^
Aristotle, as it appears, wrote two ANALYTICS. The first introduced the common syllogism, giving rise to logic as a discipline of study and securing Aristotle a place in the broader history of science and philosophy.The second introduced modal logic, concerning necessity and possibility. This is arguably the most obscure part of any literature in history. It has given generations of commentators room to speculate, and as we see with modern modal logics like the one developed by Kripke, there is a reason for that. The formal structure of possibility and necessity is notoriously difficult to grasp, counterintuitive, and to some degree dependent on speculation.Aristotles modal logic was connected to his essentialistic metaphysics about act and potential.>>24923833Link your postings, please!
>>24925288In my opinion, we have to distinguished between:1. What Aristotles wrote and explicitly states anyway.2. The interpretation of Aristotles during the history of thought.3. What a reconstructed system of Aristotle's logic would allow for inference, i.e., if we assume his syllogism is a system of symbolic logic similar to modern logic.From my point of view, the (3) point is nothing more than a intellectual exercise, just like (1). However, (2) is important to understand the history of European spritis.>>24927998Thanks.
>>24932164Interestingly, Cicero seems to lean most towards the Peripatetics (despite his ethical treatise using a more Stoic approach, but that isn't that odd since the late-Platonists use Epicetus for functional reasons too). Yet despite this, he is producing stuff like Scipio's Dream, which is hugely popular. I think a modern tendency to read things in modern ways, or to focus on readings that can be shifted in that direction (which is why I think Marcus Aurelius and Epicetus are more popular than Seneca, despite the former having a more developed philosophy) tends to paper over how much trends we call "Platonic" are actually endemic to ancient thought. So sure, the Stoics might be something like the Sophist's "giants" in their materialism, but the priority of Logos makes this materialism very unlike modern materialism (as does their existence on causality). There is, in a way that isn't always clear (in Aristotle as well) a priority for form/Logos. I think this is precisely why, despite a very open environment, the Stoics, Empiricists, Epicureans, Peripatetics, etc. all went extinct, not from persecution, but due to being out debated, so that you end up with only Platonism and a highly "Platonic" form of Jewish and Christian (and later Islamic) thought. This isn't to say that the Stoics and Aristotle don't continue to have huge influence, but it seems like precisely this metaphysical issue that puts the Platonists on top.Granted, the original theory of forms had huge issues. IMHO, Plotinus, Origen, Proclus, Denys, the Cappadocians, etc. resolve this fairly satisfactorily, although there are still major outstanding issues.
>>24932164yw
>>24925288Given that Jesus was actually God, and the Logos itself, it's pretty obvious that those with access to that knowledge will be led to a more coherent and total philosophical understanding as well, even if it is secondary to the ascetical and mystical ascent.But then for a lot of people, they seem to gravitate towards Aristotle or Stoicism as against their later interpreters precisely because they want to reject Christianity.
When did you realize that Kant was just a reddit-tier rationalist?
>>24933479>invariably ends in atomized liberalism.He never posits anything related to that.
>>24933187If anyone is the epitome of reddit-tier philosophers, it’s Russell.
>>24933501Kant uses consequentialism to justify adopting any maxim. He was a closet consequentialist. You should not want an honor-code society because it leads to blood feuds or whatever and destroys the space of right even though you can justify norse-style retribution killings with the CI in a perfectly valid way.>>24933546Yes, because he was too short-sighted. But the truth is that his system virtually destroys religion in favor of autonomy worship, which invariably leads to liberal-style do whatever you want so long as you don't "harm" anyone.
>>24933580To be clear, Kant does seem to fetishize the right to life, but when he gets intp concretes, it becomes messy. Suicide is bad because boohoo means to an end, but self-sacrifice in war is fine... murder is bad, but execution of criminals is fine... because they killed people... am I to think that insulting people back is fine because they insulted me? The norse had a clear code of conduct. If someone insulted you severely, you had the right to avenge your honor and kill him. The saga heroes do this and they know that they are doing this. They will it as if it were a universal law and would not have it any other way. "Live in a community where I could not defend my honor? Contemptible!"
>>24933580you are beyond retarded and redemption
I'm using the aggregated chartSo we begin with Moby-Dick. For the first week we'll start slow because we want those who haven't read it, or haven't read it for a while, to get a good taste. Just "extracts" to the end of chapter 2. You can read more if you want of course but I'm not asking much as if now. Next Sunday we will discuss itIf you want to keep track of threads, they will be linked in the Criterion Club: https://discord.gg/t7K9Tu7vF
Just Because I Write LitRPG Novels Doesn't Make Me a Slopper! EditionStubbed >>24923989>What is /wng/ — Web Novel General?A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more>Why read web novels?Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.>Why write web novels?Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.>/wng/ authors.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24933685Stylistically no one has a problem with something like Cradle or Jade Empire (unless you present it as a translation like the retarded condor heroes localization)
>>24933703NTA but the issue isn't people not liking itthe issue is westerners just can't remember chink names and westerners writing chink names ends up with the reverse problem of picrel
>>24933708Again, the jade empire solution names like 'Radiant Li'
>>24933692litrpg is just progression with the numbers explicitly posted in the text.A lot of the popular ones are scifi actually. Like Stray Cat Strut has the numbers exist because aliens gave humans a system so that they could kill other aliens. The excuse is that the system helps them allocate resources efficiently but a lot of them don't even bother with an excuse.You can debate scifi vs science fantasy but the latter isn't that popular of a genre term.
>>24933710They can't all be Radiant Li anon...
>december 2025>i am forgottenwill The Mack ever put out anything new or am I just supposed to shill this forever
>>24933556>collection of poemsI sleep>another novelreal shit?
>>24933556I liked the part where the protagonists randomly went viral for getting cancelled. Seemed like wishful thinking on your part. Did some part of you hope something similar would happen with Corndog Zen?
>>24933588No to be honest I first started kicking this book around in 2021 when I finished it. At that time and the years before it, it felt like it was pretty easy to get cancelled. It’s kind of delusional to think that some no name author guy from /lit/ was going to get cancelled for playing with stereotypes, but at the time it felt real.Ultimately I wanted the book to be about the absurdity and cruelty of expecting regular people to keep up with the ever changing norms of contemporary society. It’s too on the nose in parts and maybe a little mean but I hope it at least gets that part across.
>>24929459Mack Daddy gave us the Summer of Corndog Zen. It was the best summer ever. I lost my virginity to a beautiful cheerleader under the bleachers. She was only half my age.
>>24933700forgot about corndog zen summer, what a glorious time. still remember my first read while lounging in my balcony in semi shade.
again monkeykeep going
>>24933687that ain’t christlike
good monkeyagainpress post again for me, monkey
>>24933694do another monkey reply for me monkey yes monkey
>>24933554>boon to the economy??? it literally created inflation
>There is such disquiet in the depths of the heart of man, that it is not in the power of any God—or any woman—to calm it.Is he right?
More or less.
Has anyone written anything of note that legitimizes the mass murder of innocent human beings.Of course, no one is really "innocent" (see John 8:1-11, but you can also look outside) and therefore not really deserving of the protection of the state, but I mean it in the conventional (i.e. meaningless) sense.
>>24932006all political writing is just that
>>24932006The book of Esther
>>24932485Don't forget Darwin
>>24932006No but I have an idea for a script that touches on this concept. Ill write it someday for you anon.
>>24932006>has anyone written any fanfiction about my brain worms?yeah there are plenty of scifi and high fantasy novels that deal with that exact concept op!
post-minimalism editionprev: >>24925037
>>24933372Don't worry English is basically dead, most people talk in ebonics and immigrants have their own broke english even the ones whose language is English
>>24933382that just makes it alive. english is a living langue and, like all such, is continuously changing.
Is it wrong to not like black people or mixed-race black people? I just think they're ugly, their facial features, their skin color, their hair, the way they talk, they way they act, etc. I can tolerate most other races a little bit, but blacks I just wish I never had to see one again. Anyone else?
Interest times seems to be coming.Get ready.
>>24933672what mean you?
I've been thinking about the rationality of suicide from a purely philosophical angle and wanted to get some takes that aren't just the usual "it gets better" cope or moral panic. Here's where I'm at: if you accept that death is inevitable anyway, that meaning-frameworks can genuinely collapse (not just "depression lying to you") and that someone might reach a state where both continuing and ending lack any real justificatory weight, what's left? The standard objections seem to reduce to either sneaking in unstated premises about duty/potential or pointing to epistemic problems (your judgment is compromised so you can't trust your reasoning) which just creates a paralyzing regress rather than solving anything. The finality asymmetry argument (you can't revise a final decision) has some teeth but it's a structural constraint on action, not a normative prohibition. It raises the bar for justification but doesn't make the act incoherent. What I'm trying to figure out is whether there's a rigorous philosophical case that neither reduces to disguised moralizing nor collapses into pure subjectivism where "I endorse nonexistence" just ends the conversation. Interested in hearing if anyone's worked through this seriously or if there are frameworks that handle the neutral zone where neither option has authority without just defaulting to "well, keep living I guess".
>>24933544i do. i even take depresso meds and still wanna kms.
if suicide is fine, are other people allowed to kill you on your behalf?
>>24933549Have you exhausted all options? There's things like ECT (electroconvulsive therapy) and ketamine therapy that work for treatment-resistant depression and they don't have too many side effects. There's also psychedelic therapy if you have access to that.
If you conceptualize yourself as an atomistic individual, I can't think of any argument against it.From an evolutionary/genetic perspective however, if you conceptualize yourself as a member of a group, then you have duties to further the continuation of your group, and your absence would be a harm to the biological project of the continuation of life most similar to your own.
>>24933664 Also, it seems that it would be biologically advantageous for life that has developed the capacity to reason, and thus has the potential to reason against its biological imperatives, that it would come to enjoy life and thus not end itself even if it can't come up with a rational basis for why they must.
Is Ulysses a bad guy? Do people underrate Menelaus' qualities as a warrior due to the movie?Also, Diomedes is the best Greek
>>24931340>Fagles is the superior poetAnd the greatly inferior translator. "This troonslator is best because they're the best writer" is exactly what people used to defend WILSON. I'm trying to read HOMER, not the fantastical inventions of a modern troonslator.
>>24932274Then learn Greek you lazy retard.
>>24932274>>24932278>Then learn Greek you lazy retard.Pretty much this. You can't get Homer in English. Poems don't translate. Plays don't translate. Wordplay doesn't translate. Euphonic texture does not translate. When you're reading, the lens of the translator is unavoidable, and I treat translations as a fun narrative overview or a stylistic punch up (if its one of the russian nigs) but truly understanding a writer requires philological analysis.
>>24931316>>24931340>Not reading PopeITT: The spiritual descendents of Thersites.
>>24932447bickering over translations is about how well one can approximate the essence of a bookfor the iliad, my criteria is can it awaken the heroic spirit in me?
>Society tries preventing worthless people from killing themselves>Society keeps making worthless people's lives miserable and drives them to suicide or slaveryIf we as a society support the freedom of the individual Why don't we just give the option to worthless people to just exit out peacefully? It would literally make the world a better place>But that's heckin' immoral! They still have self awarenessBeing self aware of your circumstances doesn't increase your worth as a person>Durrr but then the majority of people like (you) will kill themselves and we won't have bottom wagie slaves to sustain our hierarchy, take that you frickin' hateful chud!Fine i'll bite, If you believe in morality doesn't that sound kind of evil to maintain a hierarchy? To have someone else live a life of suffering and neglect just because they won't compromise power and freedom, just because they don't uphold the same pretentious values that act as programming for the collective structure?What are some philosophers who speak of this? and why exactly do we keep getting the same kneejerk reaction of "NOOOOOOO THAT'S HECKIN' EVIL WE JUST VIBIN' THO"
They're not completely useless.
>>24929864This
>>24929168>bottom wagie slavesDepends, are those jobs bullshit jobs? Then yeah, I don't see a reason to torment people, pay them NEETbux instead.But a lot of bottom wagie jobs are needed, which means these people are getting fucked over.
>>24931470>>24929864big if true
>>24929174Cool cope. Almost as sad as when unathletic losers tell on themselves by being snobbish about sports.
>Why yes, I use the expressions "chomping at the bit" and "raped over the coals" despite knowing they're incorrect. How could you tell?
>>24929788What's wrong with "chomping at the bit"? It still works
>>24931168The correct term is "frothing at the bit"
>>24929788Well, when we gave you free reign and you explained the tenants of your philosophy it just seemed like we had another thing coming.
>>24929788I sometimes use chomping at the bit, didn’t know it was “incorrect” tho.>>24931337Big if true
>>24931337No, the original is "sipping at the tit"
