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WHY DIDN'T BRO USE HIS FINGERS AND MOUTH???
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>>25126717
Every book is about this, pretty much. Like name a book that isn't.
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>>25126281
A form of sodomy . . . why do that? Cunnilingus and using your finger . . . Unnatural.
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Replacing pronouns with "bro" should be a bannable offense.
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>>25126742
so should prescriptivism
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>>25126281
How undignified.

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>Prose poetry
There is no such thing, some things are just mutualy exclusive.

If it doesn't have a rigorous meter, or at least a fluctuating one that follows certain second order rules, it's not poetry.
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>>25126444
But there is a difference between the two examples. The former don't aspire to heightened musicality; the latter do. You will much easily find metrical forms in many passages in the 2nd group than in the 1st. It's not just well written prose; may as well call poetry just well written prose with line breaks then.
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>>25126020
>>>/v/ is over that way
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>>25125540
>You cannot have rhythm without verse
Just say you’ve never noticed Ahab’s speeches in Moby-Dick are in blank verse, there’s no need to pretend to be intelligent to impress 4chan
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>>25126465
>Homer's extended similies are poetic subjects, so they become prose poetry.

I don't buy it
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With how often this comes up, it's obvious that some of you unironically believe this. Which is fine, we all have our lines in the sand. But just know that means that you think trash pop/rap music qualifies definitively as poetry, while you believe Walt Whitman, TS Eliot, etc, do not. You can dig your heels in on the issue, or you can let go of your elementary understanding of categories and definitions. The only person you're hurting is yourself. Free-verse enjoyers are generally unbothered by such trivialities.

What is some good literature for when I want to end my life? I am currently reading PKD, Kafka, DFW, and might get into some Camus. I've tried suicide twice.
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Tractatus Logico-Suicidalis
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>>25124585
Osamu Dazai would be the undisputed king of this subgenre.
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>>25126560
very nice, ty anon
Do you know of any other italian works along these lines? non-translated is fine
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>>25124585
there's a good argument in the latter part of this novel
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>>25126662
>can't live with a broken dick and no feelings anymore.
sad. i think the former can be overcome, sex is overrated, I think the latter can be tolerated, substitute feeling, with values, or get into an argument with your mom/dad/sister/brother/friend, and formulate an entire value system predicated on how much she annoys you, or he dismisses you.

then find people who can reinforce those values, without merely affirming them.

>Not sure what to read before
Book of The New Sun.
Oreigaru. This one especially, is underrated.

>During the presidency of President Donald Trump, it became evident to me that the prophecies about the Son of Man, as predicted by Jesus in the Bible were, to a significant extent, fulfilled at the hands of Mr Trump. The Bible speaks about two different Christs-or Messiahs. Jesus, the Son of God is the one Christ, whereas the Son of Man is the other. Jesus always referred to the Son of Man in the third person. The greatest distinction or significance between the Son of Man and the Son of God (the Lamb) is their respective positions at the throne of God. There are numerous differences between the Son of God and the Son of Man, but overall, people read these scriptures and they do not realize that the Son of God (the Lamb) stands in front of the throne of God, whereas the Son of Man, is positioned on the right hand of God
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>>25125195
Their country was literally built by puritans escaping Europe because they were persecuted for taking their religion too far. It is not immediately obvious for European but american culture is fundamentally religious, and I would even go as far as saying it's fundamentally protestant christian.
They then proceeded to build their governance system around a fundamental distrust of centralized authority, because they were so concerned about tyranny. This meant that religion as social glue was even more important to them, as they could not even outsource "making sure everyone plays by the rules" to the Leviathan in the way that Europeans have.
They've discredited their religion by now and it no longer effectively functions as social glue. There are attempts to substitute it by a "civil religion", american centrist liberals are thoroughly invested into it, but it's failed to penetrate into society at large. So they are now searching for meanings and replacements for religion - hence the "idols" you ask about - however they can.
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>Trump is the Second Coming
I think you mean the antichrist but okay.
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All hail the retvrn of Trvmp. Trvmp the lion. Trvmp the savior.
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Is anyone aware that Christ is a faggot? Like a legitimately homosexual man.
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>>25125195
they've been prepped to worship the AI god.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OHQRo3Uz_VQ

>tfw you don't have a good used book shop near you
Not living in the Northeast feels
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>>25123935
They take what they can get. I live in an old university town and my used book store is full of encyclopedias, classics and memoirs going back hundreds of years. Do you live in an urban or suburban area?
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Internet killed book stores. I've made my peace with it.
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>>25123940
OP is talking about used book stores, lrn2read
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>>25123927
I think our local book sellers are some kind of tax fraud because they sell new books for under 5, and their secondhand place is able to compete next door to another of their branches
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>>25124421
Soulless

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What are some of the best books to learn about economics and the market as a whole as a beginner?
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>>25126884
You mean why is one price higher than another? No one calculates it it’s spontaneous.
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>>25126884
You having to slice and dice the concept of gesellschaftlich notwendige Arbeitszeit just to even pose the question is completely self-defeating.
No need for a response from me (who isn't that other anon anyway).
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you can ask a marxist how many days in the week and they'll say everything but the number 7
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>>25126917
You can ask a bourgeois economist how the length of the working day is determined and they'll start at you in slackjawed confusion.
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>>25126800
A lot of the typical replies you see to Marx boil down to capitalism satisfying subjective utility (the worker isn’t exploited, he’s glad to work). But Marx doesn’t deny this or how efficient capitalism is, like you say he’s grounded in bourgeois economics. The issue is that the value you create as a worker is accumulated by a third party and takes an antagonistic form.

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Genesis is the worst book ever written. It begins with the notion that the initial state of the world was primordial waters that God split in two. This was not a novel idea, and was plagarized from other societies. It omits the mention of black holes and dark matrer, and presents itself as ignorant about outer space. The universe being created in seven days has no truth to it, not even if you regard a day as a period, the universe was not created in seven distinct periods. This was absolutely just inserted to retroactively explain why there were seven weekdays and to justify a day of rest, there were already seven weekdays before Genesis was written, and seven is a distinctly human number, being the all time favorite number of mankind throughout history, which is a big red flag the book was written by humans. Genesis 2 is clearly a separate document from Genesis 1, not only because it goes back in time to the creation of man from the start to "explain in more detail", but also because it uses a different word for God, indicating a different author was writing Gen 2.
(Part 1).
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Read picrel
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>>25123662
>In Enuma Elish men are created merely to be the slaves of the gods
So…how is that different from the Abrahamic faiths?
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>>25123663
it could just be a white guy pretending
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>>25126706
Man was created in the image of a single omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent god, with natural dignity, blessed, given dominion over the rest of that god's creatures, and encouraged to reproduce. You can argue whether or not it reaches the same end, but the framing is different to begin with, considering that in Enuma Elish man was created by Ea from the blood of Kingu, Tiamat's consort and chief of her deicidal army of monsters.
>And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.
>What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou thinkest of him? Yet thou hast made him but little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
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>>25123312
What's your favorite book about "black" "holes" eh?

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pleasantly surprised by this. it's like if Stephen King wasn't afraid of not appealing to normies.
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Fun book.
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>>25123277
wanting to read this but as superficial as it sounds the author's pen name of "Jack Ketchum" pisses me off so much and makes me think of Pokemon rather than Jack the killer like he intended so it puts me out of it.
I just read His Pain by Wrath James White, I just recently got into extreme horror / splatterpunk after reading some Clive Barker.
Part of me has trouble reading things like this because I usually view reading through the lends of benefit and entertainment rather than just entertainment. I realize it's dumb and you can gain something from nearly anything but I feel silly sitting down to read something like this. not really sure how to articulate it.
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>>25124986
>author's pen name of "Jack Ketchum" pisses me off so much and makes me think of Pokemon
Lol me too.
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QRD?
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>>25126751
Off Season by Jack Ketchum is a brutal 1980 splatterpunk novel where a group of New York friends vacationing in a remote Maine cabin are hunted by a clan of inbred, cannibalistic savages. The story follows Carla and her friends, who become trapped and must fight to survive against the feral locals.
google AI gave that for a synopsis.
it's a splatterpunk(?) / extreme horror novel.

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>ruins writing forever
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>>25124984
But what are tropes if not atomized genres? What's the difference of a noble women picking up Romeo and Juliet for the romance and drama from Ashley from Seattle picking up Deep End for the college romance?
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>>25123564
That's not LLMs
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>>25124984
>then showing your work in your advertising - that's very new
If you read the reddit post you've taken that pic from, the OP was talking about random bookstagram accounts making these pics. She was just wondering if the publisher was the one to market the book this way.
My guess is that those were just AI accounts hallucinating.
>Now those labels have never been more important, and god help you if you don't meet your reader's expectations.
Nah, visual novels have this shit (example https://vndb.org/v2002) and every public library has this shit (example https://ls2pac.lapl.org/responsive?section=titleDetails&id=5957336118).
Do you actually only read romance novels?
Because in that case, yeah, before COVID western romance novels weren't this focused on tropes. But outside that, there isn't this much of a drastic change in how literary tropes (or "subjects", or "tags") are used and perceived.
You can calm your tits and grab a random novel by Danielle Steel if you really need a romance novel without tropes.
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>>25123564
That's not Discord
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>>25123564
This is essentially the Hilary Layne argument and I disagree with her the same as I disagree with you: yes, fanfiction is paint-by-numbers slop with terrible prose (and YA lit is effectively the same but with a serious and adult air about it) but why read it if you don't like it?

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Seems like there's a new Moby-Dick thread every week at this point, and while it certainly merits discussion, it is rather sad that all his other works have been underlooked, considering that they are also exceedingly well written and generally contain enough interesting happenings to warrant a read. Anyone read his first biographical adventure novels? His short stories? His poetry? Pierre, The Confidence Man, Israel Potter, Mardi? What did you think of them? Nobody talks about them at all despite many of them being nearly as good as Moby-Dick.

I'll start, with Typee, his first work; though this was his most popular well into the 20th Century, I would be very surprised for basically anyone else to have read it, since it contains essentially no literary merit unless you're curious about Melville's beginning. I read it after Moby-Dick and the difference between the two is so jarring it was hard to believe it was written by the same man at all, and only 5 years apart at that. Moreover, the novel is so fun, fast paced, and completely the opposite of what people tend to think of when they think "Melville" (long dissertations on the biology of whales & a plot that takes ten chapters to actually get anywhere); yet, I think that Melville's beginnings as an adventure writer were actually far more vital to the seemingly languid Moby-Dick than most realize, with Captain Ahab and Queequeg being the result of a background in epic fiction that ventured far out into strange, unknown lands.
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Redburn, Clarel, Billy Budd, Bartleby

>>25126205
Moby dick is about finding God,. Clarel is about rejecting him once you've found him. It's obvious why one is more popular than the other
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>>25125801
It's hard to discuss other works with Moby Dick being what it is. I really enjoy White Jacket, a absolute amazing novel and a classic of naval literature.
I do not remember much from Redburn, Typee, Omoo, or Mardi. Billy Budd is great. Have only read a bit of his poetry and was not super captivated but will give it another shot at some point.
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Confidence man is unique and ambitious. The first half is fast-paced. The relationship between mark and knave is fairly good natured. There seems to be a wider ongoing, networked conspiracy, but accomplices are suggested never confirmed. The second half of the novel focuses on a character referred to as the Cosmopolitan, or Frank Goodman. His con game is also only suggested, never defined, so some readers may question if he was truly a conman at all. I think his motivation was to convince people to have confidence in humanity, like a blind doctrine of faith. Hypocrisy and self-deception are major themes along with the meta irony of Melville, a knave posing as author, diddling the reader.
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Why did he hate lightning rods?
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>>25126883
Shocking, isn't it?

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How important is the gay subtext in The Lord of the Rings?
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>>25126131
Most of those are about pedophilia or gay angst.
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>>25125658
dude, it's almost impossible to convince my wife to go camping or hiking. women do NOT like roughing it and are gonna have a HARD time during WW3
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>>25125761
Homosexuality is ideal in metaphysics, especially for stability
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>>25126131
I forget lesbos are a thing

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prev >>25120601
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Went on an hour walk as per usual, felt unconventionally joyous at the sight of all the controlled landscape, the whole world, no, the whole universe should be a giant park, only the human proportions and standard of beauty should reign
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>>25126584
I am 22 so I could be incorrect; however ever since I was a very young, I have increasingly become more aware of how little I am in true control of and how much I act on instinct and am affected by my surroundings (with some brief periods where I think I have started to gain a true understanding). Obviously, this is not a unique thought, but the lack of control feels so extreme that it does seem impossible to ever be able to give a coherent answer to ones actions. Any abstraction would be far too complex to encompass everything sufficiently. This is not to say that I or others are incapable of increasing our self understanding, but that nobody will ever reach anywhere close to the self understanding we instinctively perceive ourself to have.

I am not suggesting that everyone around me is like sheep (as your post seems to imply), but rather I am saying it pessimistically, that we are all equally stupid.
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>>25125968
Contrary to what usually occurs, the alterations undergone by the Etruscan species were, in general, of a nature to improve it. On the one hand, the Italiot Cymric blood, by mingling with the Rasenean elements, increased their energy; on the other, the Semiticized Aryan essence, brought by the Greeks, gave the whole a movement, an ardor, too weak to throw it into Hellenic or Asiatic frenzies, but sufficient to somewhat correct what was too purely utilitarian in the Western alloys. Unfortunately, these transformations occurred mainly in the middle and lower classes, whose value was thus brought closer to that of noble families, and this did not contribute towards maintaining the political balance and the undisputed power of the aristocracy intact.

Then, this great diversity of ethnic elements created too many fragmentary mixtures and small, separate groups. Antagonisms arose within the population, almost as in Greece, and the Etruscan empire was never able to achieve unity. Powerful for conquest, endowed with military institutions so perfect that the Romans later had nothing better to do than copy them, both for the organization of the legions and for their armament, the Etruscans never knew how to centralize their government (1). In times of crisis, they always relied on the Celtic resource of the embratur, the imperator, who guided their confederated troops with absolute, but temporary, power.

Ahh, the writings of Arthur de Gobineau will never not be as hilarious as they are informative.
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>>25126554
You learn things by exposing yourself to them multiple times and using them; concepts are formed through the symmetry between different individual substance of the same type: you see *multiple* individual trees, so by symmetry, by contrast, you know what characteristics remain constant and what is only specific, individual, circumstantial, you form a concept of a tree with everything that is general, and you keep in mind next to the concept all the ways the general form can specifically vary.

You hold something to be true, a belief, as long as it's not contradicted. Smart people know to use feelings AND their wit to spot contradictions, most people are """contradicted""" by feelings, they only change their opinion when they *feel* they have been wrong. Every ideology has some part of truth that they aim to highlight so that people feel an ideology to be true, but they hide every corner where that ideology could collapse.
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>>25125994
Methinks this is a femoid.

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Why is modern fiction by gay men so shit? Fags have been a major driving force in art for centuries but it seems a lot of modern homo art is sucked dry of substance and everything is just shallow vulgarity in the style of John Waters
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They're literally just too gay now. They've Oblomofied into amoebas of directionless sensuality.
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>>25126774
Homosexuality has become accepted among the literate part of the world so there's no social isolation/exclusion that pushes homosexuals into being great artists. The next great artists, if there will be any, are going to be pedophiles/ephebophiles like the elites.
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>>25126774
Modern fictions is shit so therefore subcategories of it will also be shit
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>>25126774
It has been a major driving force in art for centuries because they had no option but create art to cope with being repressed by society. This is something that isn't required anymore. It's probably our time to turn our suffering into art, loneer bro. So don't waste your time hating and go make some art,
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>>25126797

i wonder if homos would enjoy this or if they would just say it's not homo enough for them

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In this topic, construct all posts to omit, of Latin's signary, its quinary symbol.

"Gadsby" is such a work which omits this symbol totally.

Writing this way is hard as fuck, man. It's fascinating how long and short words occur in conjunction and in atypical fashion as a natural conclusion of this singular symbol's omission.

Gadsby's author, Wright, was certainly a psychopath for doing this.
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I must insist upon this form of writing.
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mods are asleep, post works that are only e's
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>>25126603
Though this may not, at first, if thou is so inclin'd, approach a simplistic task, the symbol which thou may say sounds similar to "I", is not, in fact, so difficult as to wholly disturb a hardworking individual, though it is highly frustrating. A solution I abus'd, and show'd, just now, is contractions and using old forms of writing. I will admit it is a fun task, though brutish on the brain, and for now I will quit it.
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Respectfully, Perec did it better with La Disparition.
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>>25126859
But you still forgot th' old trick of omitting th' final symbol of our most common word. What a fag.

>Dude it's boring on purpose
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>>25126874
So boring he killed himself.


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