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>>24887513
naturally every character is ‘in relation to odysseus.’ only N is given a self-standing social world: her concerns about reputation, marriageability, female propriety and civic obligation are presented before O even enters the scene. her perspective is developed independently of the hero’s arc.
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>>24884770
Normies/redditors that think they're "Cinephiles" really love Nolan, but his movies are fine.
>>24882119
>I haven't gotten excited about a film ... since I was a teenager.
You might just be depressed Xoomer Anon.
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>>24881919
I cannot wait until we get the Emily Wilson Aeneid and New Testament. She should do Hesiod and Ovid too.
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>>24887832
>Emily Wilson New Testament
Perfect for use with the Sparkle Creed, the new mainline Protestant replacement for the Nicene, Apostles', and Athanasian!
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>>24882292
He did that so that your pea brain would instantly grasp what he means, especially since Nolan is a glorified capeshit director himself.

dornish phalanx edition

ASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_Page
Blog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/
Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/
So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/
Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/
SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdy
General search: http://searcherr.work/
TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chapters

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>>24887459
Women get off on "that".
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>>24884991
>What about Pretty Pia?

HHHNNNGGG!
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>>24880998
>artist who "drew" it swear it is supposed to be a candle, not a cross
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>>24887619
I want them speak Gaulish/Gothic revival loan words
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Do you think the Baratheon bastardy will be widely believed?

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What were /lit/'s favorite book as a child?

What would you recommend to a developing reader?
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captain fucking underpants my nigga
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>>24885523
I also loved Great Illustrated Classics too. It’s how I first read Dracula and Frankenstein.
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I never read as a kid. Only started reading once I turned 20 or so.
Maybe being Russian had something to do with it, there were no books in my commieblock apartment
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Magic Tree House and Goosebumps
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The Saga of Darren Shan. Not sure if I would recommend it, but that was my favorite.

better than lotr
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I just finished Red Country I am enjoying the series.
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I don’t trust GRRM recommendations anymore. I bought a sci fi book on his good word and it was really shitty. I forget the name of it, but a GRRM recommendation is a red flag for me now.
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Say one thing for Logen Ninefingers. Say he's back to the mud.
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>>24887481
Abysmal slop. Grime coated dreck with teenage cynicism layered over every subject and the most dishonest and schizophrenic portrayal of the passage of time possible. We begin in the medieval period and fly straight into the industrialization of Europe in less than one full generation, everyone's attitudes are strictly deranged. There is not the faintest hint of earnesty in any of it, it seethes modernity from every pore. We don't learn anything in this story, we don't get any indication towards the good and the true, just pointless shitcolored violence and nihilistic affirmations.

Complete waste of time. Even Bakker is less nihilistic.
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>>24887481
That's fun way to say you are 16 years old.

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ye olde: >>24879637

Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs).
https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb

>Archive:
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg

>Goodreads:
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg
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>>24887802
Lazy fat americans.
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Just finished Red Country by Joe Abercrombie
I liked the first trilogy more than any of the standalones but they were all still good.

should I do the sharp ends short stories first or just go straight into the age of madness trilogy
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>>24887790

Pretty much what I said here.

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>>24887778
Not that anon, but its a good enough book compared to anything written in the fantasy genre post-2010. Its certainly not pozzed and has some interesting concepts and complex characters.
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>>24887817
Everyone I have talked to has said Sharp Ends -> Age of Madness -> The Great Change

I'm currently on Best Served Cold and plan on doing this.

Was he full of shit?
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Proud Highway is the best. Ralph's book about his years with Hunter is also a decent read. Haven't read Jaun' s book. Curse of the lono was also better than I expected.
>>24885622
He khs because he was in pain and old and originally didn't plan to live beyond 30.
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>>24885747
behaving like a woman is extremely unbased.
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>>24882197
>waits to do cocaine until he's got some alcohol in his blood
Basé
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>fiction writer writes fiction?! help im losing my mind
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What is the greatest thing ever written?
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>>24885764
the oracles
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MPHyR92MQic
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>>24885839
I'd nominate Book 6 of the Aeneid over anything by Homer.
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>>24885764
i guess corndog zen
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>>24887782
>Wal-Mart Homer over Homer

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The best way to tell if a philosopher is serious is if they are misogynistic.
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>>24887573
Feminism ruined sex and relationships
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>>24887285
>misanthropy
>reddit
You're confusing it with optimism, I suppose.
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>>24887539
>>24887573
Hylic subhumans. One of my power fantasies include sending disposable trash such as yourselves to concentration camps.
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>>24887805
One of my power fantasies involves giving you an orbital lobotomy so you are incapable of escaping the material prison in this life.
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>early societies never had that concept.
Which is why they were all miserable shitholes ruled by decaying old women. We can't conceive how miserable it was because the retards had no written records

The greeks excluded women from all public and intellectual life for good reason

>there's something in the old idea of the sun being man & the moon; woman. their planetary powers are: sun for illumination; moon for enchantment.
And in the alchemical process, the solar has to subdue and control the lunar
Esoterism is misogynistic

Spoiler a soft cover Lolita request is in it

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2025-jeffrey-epstein-emails-books/?taid=691764c827f3260001ff21ff&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_content=business&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
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>>24886485
>Start with the Isaeralis
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>>24885289
>mfw when all those "my diary desu" replies weren't lying
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>people on this biard who consider themselves intelligent unironically believe a man was raised from the dead
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>>24887815
I can’t tell if this is a swipe at Christian’s or people who think Epstein is still alive.

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Very wrong. Read Spinoza.
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>>24887203
Either you are not reading what I'm writing, or you are literally my example of the superficial person that can't see two steps ahead of himself. This discussion is now useless.
>yea but we are all related lol
One day, Shakespeare will be forgotten. You too. If the universe is material, and time is infinite, one day all of the human race will die.
>Why do you view time as an arrow, a progression of events which are obliterated once passed
If the universe is material, then events are literally obliterated when you die, your memories are destroyed, your feeling of happiness too, and since everyone is also forced to die theirs will too.
>you are le coping
I am simply stating facts of the consequences of metaphysicals beliefs.
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>>24881278
Again, for the SEP to write the "original Dutch edition" (further on they write, "The friends who, after his death, published his writings left out the “or Nature” clause from the more widely accessible Dutch version") - they are referring to the concurrent Dutch edition of his Opera posthuma, the Nagelaten Schriften, both of 1677. The Dutch Ethics contained therein was translated (by Glazemaker) from Spinoza's Latin - as all Dutch editons (translations) continue to be. It is bad wording on the part of SEP, and misinterprets the sense of "original [edition]"; a point is being made about the first Dutch edition, in its publication history, but not about the urtext, which was Latin.
There is Spinoza's "Korte verhandeling van God, de Mensch en deszelvs Welstand", written originally in Dutch and not discovered till the 19th century - an early work which prefigures ideas later developed in the Ethics - but it would be incorrect to call this the original version of the Ethics, nor is that what the SEP is referring to.
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>>24878224
Elon is too autistic to sit still with a book.
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Maybe you dorks should check out pragmatism as an ethical principle.
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>>24887396
You are clinging to a one-dimensional view of time. You seem unable to even contemplate alternatives to your current viewpoint, which is actually a reliable characteristic of a superficial person. It does not matter if a man or a race dies. It matters that they lived, and that they lived well. That can never be taken away, it is etched into the fabric of reality. It will always be there, and it does not rely on any person's memory.

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thanks anon
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>>24881768
i made the mistake of staring too long into the abyss of deep politics and i feel i have blackened my soul because of it.

there is 1000% a connection between the finders cult, the franklin scandal / craig j spence, adolfo constanzo, john norman, and ottis toole / henry lucas. people like epstein have been hiding in plain sight of decades now, and once you scratch the surface you begin to realize epstein was a lot more tame in comparison to what these demons were getting up to in the 70s-90s.

if you want to learn about how the cia, satanist cults, and child trafficking rings were all intertwined at one point or another in a web of debauchery, each of which having various goals that worked with/against each other i would recommend starting with

the franklin scandal
eye of the chickenhawk
reading released fbi/cia files on the finders
also full disclosure i have not read this book yet but i have heard "the politics of heroin" by alfred w. mccoy is good if you want to read more about cia complicity in heroin trafficking from southeast asia
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>>24881768
Sinister Forces (3 vols.) by Peter Levenda. Vol. 3 The Manson Secret is available at https://archive.org/details/sinister-forces/mode/2up
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>>24885335
Yw
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Is there any point in reading Heraclitus and Parmenides?

I have a book with fragments and testimonies of Pre-Socratics but its all so sparse and obscure that surely people are just imposing their own frameworks on what little fragments exist.
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>>24885294
Polybus’ treatise the Nature of Man is an ancient text also worth visiting as secondary resource on the Eleatics. Polybus argues in the opening paragraphs that so long as everything is constituted as an indivisible whole that the makeup of the whole doesn’t matter since everhthing is one uniform material anyways, thus both Eleaticism and Atheism are the same because they claim everything to be of one material.

Really his part was trying to take aim at Thales and Zeno and alll these men who took Monism in their own direction calling everything Fire and Water. You can read Nature of Man by Polybus here-

https://archive.org/details/hippocrates04hippuoft/hippocrates04hippuoft/page/4/mode/1up
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The Nature of Man is interesting to me as criticism of the Ionian school of philosophy (essentially calling people like Thales and even Heraclitus who called everything fire - to be the same as Eleatics). I also like it for the implication that atheists, Ionians and Eleatics may as well be all the same in their taking everything as a uniform material.

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|. He who is accustomed to hear speakers discuss
the nature of man beyond its relations to medicine
will not find the present account of any interest.
For I do not say at all that a man is air, or fire,
or water, or earth, or anything else that is not an
obvious constituent of a man; such accounts I leave
to those that care to give them. Those, however,
who give them have not in my opinion correct
knowledge. For while adopting the same idea
they do not give the same account. Though they
add the same appendix to their idea—saying that
“what is” is a unity, and that this is both unity

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>>too is at fault. The best way to realise this is to
be present at their debates. Given the same
debaters and the same audience, the same man
never wins in the discussion three times in succes-
sion, but now one is victor, now another, now he
who happens to have the most glib tongue in the
face of the crowd. Yet it is right that a man who
claims correct knowledge about the facts should
maintain his own argument victorious always, if his
knowledge be knowledge of reality and if he set it
forth correctly. But in my opinion such men by
their lack of understanding overthrow themselves
in the words of their very discussions, and establish
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Heraclitus is beautiful.
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>>24887698
True.

Also bump

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Talk about poems/poets you like, post your own work, and critique others.
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I wish that you would call.
You don’t.
I want you to come back.
You won’t.
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>>24885899
You need to understand, anon, that after GPT rhymes are gone. It can be the best poem ever, it will feel GPTlike. Sorry.
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Waste of time away
I don't care how they do it
I don't care about that
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Wasted time away
Too heavy are the weight of these mistakes
Thats why life is fake
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>>24887214
To me, omething feels gpt-like when there is an unnecessary abundance of adjectives, and the tone gives you the impression of having been policed by a corporation's PR department. Its poetry generally misses a beat because, as you might expect, a glorified word-salad machine doesn't have any actual sense of rhythm. A chatbot's rhymed poetry is very much a case of poetic inability concealed (albeit poorly) by the jingling effect of end rhymes. It very often fails to get the meter right, even if you tell it to be strict. A human being couldn't write gpt-like poetry if they tried, because a human being can actually hear the flow of the language they're employing. Anon's poem could be better, no doubt, but to imply that anything other than straying from rhyme will leave a gpt-like flavor in the mouth, is, as far as I'm concerned, nonsense. Then again, perhaps your only or chief exposure to rhyme has been through chat gpt, amd you thus have the impression that rhyme=chatbot. If that's so, then, well, what more can I say?

Need some insight from other people who had raped attention spans. I have a pretty bad one and for the past month I have nearly (there's relapses every so often) removed all external stimuli from my devices (social media, music, videos, etc) in the hopes of bolstering my reading comprehension and endurance.

However, my progression is very slow, arguably nonexistent. Every 5 or 7 days I slip back into old habits for about a day or two, which is frustrating considering I do spend ALL of my day reading/studying (unemployed uni student), so to see that my endurance, speed, and comprehension hasn't improved after a month is frustrating.

My sleeping habits are okay I guess. My cognitive performance at night (sunset) increases substantially, which makes it difficult to sleep as I have racing thoughts all night, and when 6-7am rolls around my anxiety keeps me awake since I have the many things that I want to do (study) but my cognitive performance then til the afternoon is extremely terrible in comparison.

Is my timeline for progress naive insofar as this process takes more than a couple months? Am I just mentally fatigued? Or just simply low IQ? I have no ADHD diagnosis and am capable of focusing for extended periods of time, I am inquiring more into whether these periods where I am just simply incapable of reading or studying will ever go away or if I'm overestimating the habits of those intellectuals in the past. Ideally, I want to be able to read all day (or if time permits) every day (with breaks of course, but not to be forced into a break for 2-3 days due to fatigue).
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>>24886791
Huh?
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>>24885837
You're not seeking knowledge, you're seeking an escape from reality in what is essentially fantasy. You can gussy it up with buzzwords all you want, but there's little difference between you and any other burnout loser who winds up obsessed with, say, Star Trek.
Your knowledge is borderline worthless except for the entertainment value it provides. It's just a distraction for the mind, you use it to bedazzle and distract yourself from facing the real world.
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>>24886045
>>24886077
Don't do nicotine pouches. Go to Walgreens or CVS and get nicotine lozenges, 2mg. The larger the better. Break them up into quarters. Let them melt in your mouth as "time release", and stagger out your consumption throughout the day.

You could consume 2mg or less *a day* for years and never get addicted, especially if you take weekends off and never chase the rush. You'll just get clean focus and mood improvement, and the low dose won't hurt your cardiovascular system much either.

>>24885837
Read things that are more interesting to you. Break it up into a ratio that works for you. 80% interesting, 20% not interesting but good for you. If everything you read is not interesting enough for you to stay focused, even with extreme measures to prevent distraction, then you're not cut out for the topic or even the art of reading.

Keep in mind, being focused 5 days a week and goofing off 1-2 days a week is a VERY good ratio. In fact, I'd say that that's successful and realistic. You need time to relax.

So I would go back to the drawing board and recontextualize those "goofing off" days as rest & relaxation days. They're essential to long-term productivity, and you can use work days and rest days to motivate each other (I did a great job this week, let me have some fun... okay I had enough fun, let's earn the next goof off day with more studying).

If you want to be more productive than that... honestly I don't think that's realistic unless you get seized by a muse or have a manic episode, and those phases aren't sustainable for obvious reasons. 5 on 2 off is great.
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>>24887126
I can guarantee that I'm poorer than you you whiney miserable faggot. The reason I got into camping was because my family was such a bunch of abusive sociopaths that it was easier for me to just take a tent into the woods and disappear for two or three weeks at a time than deal with that shit.

A tent costs what, twenty dollars on craigslist? Literal homeless people have tents. Pick anywhere with running water and bring a bottle of iodine to purify it for consumption (you can do what I used to do and shoplift this from any drug store you pathetic fuck). Every other skill you need you're going to learn by just putting yourself in that situation where you'll need to, for example, start a campfire.

Kill yourself you hapless bitch. Holy fuck I can't even put into words how much I hate people like you.
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>>24887650
By the looks of it those woodland adventures haven't brought the serenity of mind which you endeavored to acquire, you emotionally unregulated autistic train wreck


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