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>>23409521
>difference between being moderately depressed for a period of time vs. having an actual personality disorder that impacts your ability to function in every area of your life and impairs your ability to form healthy relationships.
I don't see how that's relevant. You still don't have to tell anyone about the label,l. They'll be able to tell you're mental when you start acting mental.
Starting to think you just want to tell people for the attention
Also btw personality disorders aren't real. You're probably just a massive cunt irl
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>>23410116
I already do that
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>>23410045
ITS GONNA TAKE SOME TIME TO REALIGN
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>>23410155
>You still don't have to tell anyone about the label.
I think that if I’m eventually in a relationship with someone, I’m obligated to be honest and open with that person about any serious mental health diagnoses that I have. Obviously I wouldn’t tell acquaintances or people who I just have casual friendships with.

>Starting to think you just want to tell people for the attention
The only people I have ever discussed my mental health with IRL are two of my closest friends, various medical professionals, and occasionally my parents if they ask about it. It’s not something I like to broadcast to everyone around me, because it’s something I’m deeply ashamed of. I actually strongly dislike it when people constantly talk about their various diagnoses publicly, and construct an entire personal narrative where they’re always the victim.

>You're probably just a massive cunt irl
You’re making a lot of unfair assumptions here. There have been specific upsetting intepersonal situations in the past two years in which I’ve acted very badly, which I now regret. However, that behaviour was the result of extreme emotional and psychological distress. Even so, I have to take responsibility, so I won’t claim to be a good person or justify my actions by claiming positive intent or using my mental illness as an excuse. That problematic behaviour was also localised to one very specific area of my life, and no one else really knows about it. Outside of that, generally speaking I do not treat other people badly at all. In virtually all of my IRL interactions with others (friends, family, acquaintances, etc.) I’m very polite and mostly normal, although I can be a bit withdrawn and anxious at times. If I’m feeling agitated or having a hard time controlling my emotions I’ll remove myself from the situation so that I can deal with it privately. I generally hate conflict, and will go to great lengths to avoid confrontation.

>personality disorders aren't real
This degree of ignorance makes it impossible for me to take you seriously.
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>>23409798
Thank you

Pipe Smoke Edition

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>>23409149
>(yes, after I finish the winds of winter)

• 2010: "The First Chapters Are Done!"
• 2012: "I really look forward to publishing it in 2014."
• 2015: "I'm determined to finish it by 2016. I cancelled two convention appearances, anything I can do to clear my decks and get this done."
• 2016: "I am not going to set another deadline for myself to trip over. The deadlines just stress me out."
• 2017: "I think it will be out this year."
• 2017: "I am still working on it, I am still months away."
• 2018: "Work on Winds of Winter continues, and remains my top priority. It is ridiculous to think otherwise."
• 2019: "If I don't have The Winds of Winter in hand by the end of the year, you have here my formal written permission to imprison me in a small cabin on an island."
• 2020: "There is a lot of work to be done on the upcoming spinoff show, but I won't be writing any scripts for the series before finishing The Winds of Winter."
• 2021: "I will make no predictions on when I will finish. Every time I do, assholes on the internet take that as a “promise,” and then wait eagerly to crucify me when I miss the deadline."
• 2022: "I hope to wrap up the story line for one of the viewpoint characters of W.O.W. this week. Maybe even two."


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>>23409647
craster is definitely a curious character, i never got the vibe that an indefinite number of babies weren't enough to guarantee craster's safety. he must be producing at least one a year, but we have no idea what kind of deal he has really. I am interested in what you think Craster's deal with Brynden is. i mean if he's talking to him through a weirwood, calling himself a "godly man" makes more sense.
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>>23409806
As with everything Brynden, he likely picked on Craster early on. The "idea" of sacrificing the babies either came from a dream or through Coldhands. I doubt he knows of the greenseer near by;
>an indefinite number of babies
Oh shit... the Others are a relative "new" issue, IF Craster has been doing this for many years now it absolutely could not have been for them since they should be sleeping or whatever. The raven however has been there for decades now... At the very least the likelyhood of it being for him just increased tenfold...
>calling himself a "godly man" makes more sense
TRUE lol
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>>23409167
Yep
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Monthly reminder: If you crave more ASOIAF you should read J. V. Jones Quintet Sword of Shadows. It even has the last volume still unfinished for over a decade because of reasons. It's the most GoT-esque fantasy books I've read that still have their own unique idiosyncracies.

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Which translation should I get and which other books of his are worth picking up?
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>>23409885
Someone wrote an entire article about the translations of you Google it.
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What is wrong with the Ginsburg translation?
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I read M&M when I was 17 and all the allusions to life in communist Moscow went clear over my head. Should I give it a reread sometime soon? I've been meaning to do that eventually anyways.
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>>23410138
Apparently the Ginsburg translation censors parts of the book, while P&V, B&C and Glenny are uncensored translations.
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Read it in a Slavic language.

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How can Christians recover from this?
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>>23409993
How would that have worked?
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>>23409920
>the physical medieval artefacts in that 70s documentary by a respected historian don't exist
>saying they do exist is historical revisionism based on 21st century retard burger culture wars
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>>23410004
He's trying to troll, retard. Notice how he ignored me as soon as you took the bait?
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>>23410100
He tells himself he's a "troll" but that's a form of cope. His brain produces these posts, it reflects who he is, a communist subversive trying to undermine all rational thought and all forms of productive communication.
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>>23408402
>how do christians recover from the realization that despite however clever and smart they may be as human beings, they, with their mortal mind, cannot begin to comprehend the almighty majesty and wisdom of the Creator.

Gird up thy loins, OP.

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A few years ago, someone on IRC discovered Norwegian Wood by Haruki Murakami and went around recommending everyone in the channel to it. I made note to download an ebook version of it but gave up after a while.
This summer while I was in HK, I was browsing in a book store and came across a rather odd titled book. It was called "Hard Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World." Read a few pages into it convinced me to get the book and after finishing it, I bought book from the same author, Haruki Murakami.
Eventualy, as I was searching for more books by him, I came across Norwegian Wood again and bought it instantly (actually, I buy all Murakami books I encoutner instantly now). A bit over the top but quite enjoyable. He has a bit of lofty way of storytelling and makes otherwise boring situations interesting. Especially his dialogue, they're odd but never stagnant.
I'm a pretty big fan of Murakami now but just wondering, of the more Japanese culture-influenced 4chan population, has anyone else heard or read of this books? What do you think of him?
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>>23409627
>>23409862
windup bird chronicle is probably his best and most accessible work
his short stories are also good (like his novels, they're hit or miss, but at least they're much shorter)
>>23409962
miss bernard said truly was too good for us
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Anyone happen to remember that one Murakami book where

>there's a character obsessed with jazz
>everyone else casually references French New Wave films in conversation
>the love interest has a cute exposed ear
>the young protagonist has to fuck this MILF for metaphysical reasons
>protagonist gets home, drinks a can of beer, and cooks a small modest meal

???
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>>23410042
A wild sheep chase?
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He's among my favourite authors, though Norwegian Wood is my least favourite of his.
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>>23409627
Hard Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World is where I truly began to see the magic of what the written word can do to the imagination.

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Hey guys, I am writing a fantasy novel, magical “chosen one”. Generals, kings, politicians, magic etc.

Naturally in the grand stories you kind of fall in a tendency to reflect real life mythological or historical characters because they’re so iconic and well told.

After a while, I decided to incorporate this wholesale, not just events happening similar to real life historical events as reference, but it being an important part of worldbuilding.

This world is essentially many worlds after our world. Wherein time gets reset, but things invariably play out in similar ways albeit with different names, people, factions and style and so on.

Maybe even include brief parts where the magical character glimpses these previous worlds including ours. Maybe they could avoid a pitfall a historical player fell to by seeing it beforehand in another world.

Thoughts on this? Does it sound too hokey or does it have potential? I haven’t seen anything too similar from googling so I don’t think I’m accidentally ripping anyone off either
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>>23410211
"YOU SIR ARE THE NEXT KHRUSHCHEV!"

<room bangs shoes on the table>

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/pg/ - Poetry General
Post poetry, your own or otherwise, and discuss. Critique and discussion constantly in dire supply. If you're looking for critique, consider giving details on what exactly you're wishing to improve in the work(s).
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>>23402926
An extremely basic example, you can go from writing like this:

>Tonight a friend of mine has died
>I am looking into the light
>And now I'm missing and out of time

into something like:

A friend of mine
Has died tonight
Gone alone
Into the night
Lost, now
And out of time

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>>23408956
>>23408965


First of all, I cant really explain how much I appreciate real feedback. I wrote a new version, see below:

Les mois froids et frigides toujours durent trop.
Je rêve d’un ciel rose, couronnant la rue.
Je désire un vin vert, en dehors des bistros,
Et tes épaules de miel, dorées, toutes nues

Un été sans toi? A quoi servent ces couleurs?
Vaut mieux une tempête, sans fin, un orage,
Une pluie violente, qui noie ces douleurs.
La glace, je l'échappe mais reste en otage.
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>>23408956
>>23408965
>The rain feels more natural next to the storm.
Yea, the concept is coming out of winter depression, but it makes no sense to talk about a summer storm that has ice.

>Ok,
I don't know why but the vin vert line is my favourite, but it's just me that thinks this way

>Escalation to violence, I like it.
I changed il faut, to vaut mieux, but that might not be grammatically correct. I just thought it was weird to use Il faut, but im not sure.

>Sour ending, not in a good way. brulage and rayons was better for the whole wounded poet theme I felt was present in the first version.
Yea that line sucked I rewrote it. I like the orage line, so trying to make it fit limited m options.

>>23408965

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Everyday is just a distraction
Of your will for me to forget you, but only a temporary redaction.
As every night I lay in my bed attempting to fall asleep
there’s nothing but silence and the evocation of your heartbeat
Here is the dying hope that I may chance to see you smile
As we leave on our own to part for awhile
I pray for the chance you hear my cry
Because when dusk paints yellow clouds in the sky
there’s nothing left in the day to fill my head to filter you
Just me and the memory of kihew iskwew
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ᒋᐢᑌᒫᐤ

Fluttering rivers in the air
Having our breath ensnared
Calming the mind’s worries
Of terrible never ending stories

While the ember burns hot
And melt away tobacco’s knot
It leaves a husk of its shadow
Sacrificing what’s to be forgot

While Speaking through the vice
Of our ancestor’s echoed life
It leaves us to wonder

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>days have become mostly stress free at least for the moment
>as soon as I no longer have any external stresses my nights become plagued with looming thoughts of my own mortality
Is this just me? Why can't I just be unstressed and not think about death?
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>>23410171
We live in a society
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Get busy living or get busy dying.
Simple as.
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>“The only doctor of whom I was ever a habitué, an old analyst, said what I have is the closest thing to a curse, not in its agony - heaven knows schizophrenics and what have you are worse off - but in its particular cruelty. One comes to distrust joy, comes to fear it. He told me he worried I would arrange my life around defending against it, never permitting the real thing for fear of the imposter. His older patients, which were few, were burned out cases, no highs, no lows, just a sort of shellshock.”
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Just pretend like you'll have eternal life or something after you die
Thats what most people do

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You ever notice how zoomers often come into threads or other online spaces (not necessarily this board, although sometimes) just to essentially brag about how much they hate reading even though all they do all day is post and read pointless stuff on social media.
It's like they'll happily read 100 separate social media posts that amount to not much but if you put the exact same amount of words into one essay with an actual point it becomes insurmountable. It's like if something is even one line too long (AKA 2 lines) their eyes glaze over and they zone out. It's not about the amount to be read it's just about how the reading is abstracted and "spaced out".

I feel this is very emblematic of general reading habits today and how people view reading. It's like people want to be plugged into this chaotic endless stream of collective consciousness rather than the structured lucid consciousness of one individual.
If I made this very post in most places I know most people would just ignore it. Just noticing things.
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>>23410003
If they are the same it is redundant to say one is one.
So just say Brevity.
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>>23410016
Cut.
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>>23410003
>Is Brevity the Soul of Wit?: A thesis, by Farty Windbag
>500 pages to answer the question
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>>23409706
It would be one thing if they were proud of being dumb and owned it, or adopted the Socratic attitude of "I know that I know nothing". The problem is that they still feel compelled to have opinions on shit they know positively nothing about and are intolerant of those who might disagree. Don't have to specify a single issue here, it could apply to anything since zoomers became old enough to drink.
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>>23409549
It boils down to the fact that zoomers as a generation are retarded. The ones who browse 4chan think they are smart for discovering the secret hacker place, but in reality they are only "smart" compared to their peers, who are retarded. It's a case of big fish in a small tank.

Read it twice, here are my notes so far off the top of my head

NIGHT OF THE MURDERS:

>Kato invites himself to go to McDonald's with O.J.
>They each get a sandwich, fries, and a drink. OJ goes for coke, Kato gets an orange soda... mmmm
>O.J. drinks his Coca-Cola on the way home, but not before Kato takes the opportunity to slip a tablet of Rohypnol in there *fizzzzzz*
>Upon arriving home, O.J. goes inside and calls his friend Dr. Christian Reichardt. the biker guy with the ponytail from the trial
>Dr. Reichardt would hear O.J. ask somebody in the room, "what was the score?" - referring to the NBA Finals game that had ended hours earlier. The only other person on the property was Kaelin, and O.J. was in the euphoric stage of the "date-rape drug", and doesn't ask what the hell he's doing there
>90 minutes later, O.J. would be awakened by Romazicon and hurriedly prepare for his flight. Kaelin distracts him and the limo driver with claims of "noises". He doesn't remember anything that happened since arriving home, not even the call to Dr. Reichardt (he fails to tell the police about this call when being questioned the next day)
>After leaving Rockingham in the limo, and forgetting to set the alarm, one of the murderers (Ron Shipp) pulls up in the Bronco, proceeds to plant blood inside, and then enters the grounds to plant the glove and other evidence
>O.J. calls Kaelin from the limo and asks him to set the alarm, but Kaelin never does
>O.J. catches his flight, arrives in Chicago, and is awoken at 6 A.M. by a phone call from the LAPD
>Nicole Brown, her children, and a little friend of her daughter order ice cream from Ben& Jerry's, and immediately go home.
>Rather than return to Dana Point, the Brown clan follows Nicole to Bundy and prepares for the next steps

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>>23399547
Sheryll and Shatelaine Shipley, lesbian couple?
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>>23410021
No, mother and daughter. You can hear him in their only interview here:
https://player.fm/series/darkness-radio-1323773/s17-ep152-the-sealed-envelope-was-oj-simpson-framed-for-murder

Sounds like they have a guard dog, which is probably a good idea. I'm also sensing a southern Texas twang. Young Shatelaine is the editor. There are a few typos in the book, but nothing egregious. No grammar mistakes at all.
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>>23410030
>https://player.fm/series/darkness-radio-1323773/s17-ep152-the-sealed-envelope-was-oj-simpson-framed-for-murder
better link here

https://www.darknessradioshow.com/s17-ep152-the-sealed-envelope-was-oj-simpson-framed-for-murder/
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re-reading some of my OP
>Nicole Brown, her children, and a little friend of her daughter order ice cream from Ben& Jerry's, and immediately go home.
ADDENDUM: A man "in his 20's" wearing a suit, according to (had to research this one) THE CLERK may have been there waiting for Nicole and held the door for her (likely 36 year old Ron Hardy)
>Judith's phones the restaurant, and some time later an employee finds the glasses outside and puts them in a sealed envelope
ADDENDUM: Karen Crawford, the employee, is expressly told by Juditha to write "NICOLE SIMPSON", and not Nicole's preferred name, Nicole Brown.
>Goldman, in his friends borrowed car, pulls up to the alley behind the condo, as instructed. The car would later be found parked on a side street wiped down of prints
ADDENDUM: Nicole's Jeep was also wiped down. Ron Hardy most likely hitched a ride from the drugged Nicole, and maybe even offered to drive. Regardless, it's about a 60 second drive.
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>>23406493
More on this. It's proven that the Browns tried (and ultimately, sadly, succeeded) to get into Cora Fischmans ear. Cora was Nicole's actual best friend. Her civil trial depositions are required reading

Faye resnick was an easy mark, same with Jenner. These ladies creamed themselves at the celebrity this case brought

>be me
>live in third world shithole on the left side of Gaza
>One day street orphan begs me for food
>give him something to eat
>cop sees me do this, decides to beat up the street orphan and calls me a faggot for showing compassion to an homeless child
This experience blackpilled me bros. Schopenhauer was right about everything
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>>23408770
how can you arab cucks watch as israel destroy your arab brethren? and what the fuck are you doing living in sinai, i thought its an empty patch of dust, shouldn't you be along the nile in the lush greenery?
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>>23408924
Arabs hate each other. Peer into most Arab families and they hate eachother too. Their culture breeds resentment and hatred more than any other.
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>>23408743
>he showed charity to a beggar in front of others
Fucking retard.
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>>23409275
Explain yourself cuck
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>He takes a bath, which refreshes him, and in our breakfast conversation we come via C. Frantz and his Schellingianism to Schopenhauer and his “Will.” Yesterday R. said that everything manifests itself as a hunger, a splendid name Schopenhauer gave to “something hollow and ungraspable.” Sad that so few are capable of accepting this doctrine; because it makes no concessions to politics, ignorant people believe that it inhibits activity. — The fact that human beings fashion laws in accordance with their understanding of things, that does not prove the validity of these laws, nor does it explain the things themselves; “Will” is an explanation.

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If you read the book in your computer or any gadget then you didnt read the book. Simple as
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>>23410170
Go waste some more money decorating your bookshelf with books you will never read.
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>>23410187
Poor saar detected
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>>23410170
I'd argue the opposite as physical books are infinitely less convenient.

This is a place for all things fiction, poetry, history, and philosophy regarding the Imperium Europae movement. - #6

ESSAY #2:
>Empires Versus States, by Josep Colomer
The classical analytical category of " empire, " as opposed to " state, " " city, " " federation, " and other political forms, can account for a large number of historical and current experiences, including the past United States of America, the European Union, Russia, and China. An " empire " has been conceived, in contrast to a " state, " as a very large size polity with a government formed on movable frontiers, with multiple institutional levels, overlapping jurisdictions, and asymmetric relations between the center and the diverse territorial units.

download here:
>https://mega.nz/file/rSRnACYJ#VJ8vmvoCYpfljs1EyCXJA1CAPvFXU2gBhg5_uaDtXCg
the file is encrypted, pass is
>7bAZXdsYhr3K1Z8nm8Gw

In the next threads we will be reading and discussing important art, culture, history, and political essays.
Regardless of the original problems they were aimed at, the concepts they introduce and the analyses they contain are extremely relevant to the issues we face today such as AI, the inefficacy and decline of nation-states, the growing rift between entertainment and 'real' art, and more.

Thread elaboration (old, cringe version, new one is under construction):

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>>23408605
There really is no incentive to pursue the fake multi-doctorate program gestating here. You could spend years reading the amount of historical, philosophical, and political works being mentioned. McLuhan's Understanding Media pairs well with Anderson's Imagined Communities, and that's already almost a month of reading for a non-NEET and that's without doing any of the history curriculum, simply to give you a grounding in how (some) modern people view the use of communication/media in forming and propagating ideas. On MY OWN list of things to work through I have more books than I could read in several years as is, and it must be similar for anyone who reads recreationally enough to keep a to-do list! I would encourage OP to restrain himself to a more narrow scope than all of European history if he merely wants to define a novel approach to historiography or interpretation. I think for what he appears to want to do you can and should truncate everything pre-modern, the study of distant history is bottomless, you could spend a lifetime on ancient Rome or medieval France
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>>23408657
This, there is so much to get through, i am not saying one should not try, however, for this thing to work, this needs to a more collaborative approach, OP has his plate full and thats on just history, i suggest some anons can work on other aspects lets say Literature, philosophy, political theory, music etc. i know philosophy fairly well and physics very well but i am a simpleton when it comes to history. idk, suggestions, thoughts?
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>>23405577
>>23408704
I actually have the book pictured that the poster is not talking about. I read it over a decade ago. Because OP has such a massive scope it is impossible to recommend anything, there's no reason not to keep reading.... However, in terms of what interested me then and still does, I recall reading that book alongside book(s) on the Ottoman and Habsburg empires. Also Venice, and Byzantium. Never bothered with France or Britain though, at least not in terms of monographs or entire-histories. Perhaps you can ferret out a theme here! I will give you a hint, check your favorite map app and see if there's a Venetian Republic or not.
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>>23408493
>this board is dying but it can still be a place of learning and sharing of valuable information..what the internet was intended for.
completely with you on that one
of course this is harder, but that is satisfying in its own way
>>23408571
I couldn't be happier, anon, genuinely
>>23408605
>how do you guys have the time to read all of this? Im genuinely curious, there is so much to get through, and thats just history
there is no single, good answer, but let me try
first >there is so much to get through, and thats just history
I am curating a history list that will let us go through world-European history from the Bronze Age to the end of ww2 (that is where I've chosen to cut it off for now)
I am researching what the best books are for each age/event/political body so that I can assemble a core list - this means that I will try to cut it down to the smallest number of books that one can read and still come away with a chronologically intact perspective (for example the Making of the Middle Sea is going to be the one book covering prehistory and the Bronze age, with a focus on the Mediterranean)
some ages will take up slots with a couple of books, generally growing in number as we get closer to the present day, but I will try to figure out a total number to orient ourselves by in the following days (and to discuss how achievable of a goal it is)
>how do you guys have the time to read all of this?
it's a bloodbath, really

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>>23408571
What are you reading?

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Why do chuds hate postmodern philosophers? I figure they might agree with their critiques of sexual "liberation".
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>>23408587
Most of them were Nietzscheans or neo-Romanticists
t. right winger
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>>23408587
>Adorno hated woke students
He hated them for being FASCISTS, not because they were "woke". Why do you want chuds to read them? They didn't help leftists that read them, quite the opposite actually. Marxism got completely defanged after the Frankfurt school.
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>>23410118
Don't care, I judge people by their actions not by words. You can't reconcile amorality with any of Foucault's political actions.
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>>23410118
>>23410166
I won't be gaslit by half-assed attempts to portray post-modernists as some aloof thinkers whose goals were merely to inquire about and disassemble modernism.
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>>23410166
What political actions of his do you take particular moral umbrage with?
>>23410174
I think Foucault's goals in his books were to do that, but politically speaking, he was an anarchist.

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Did Melville have the gay?
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>>23409803
He wasn't. He was a womaniser as well. But gay rights activists co-opted him to fit their narrative.
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>>23409990
He was so gay that he was the first English translator of Petronius.
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>>23409991
He fucked loads of women. He was a hedonist like Sade.
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>>23407759
Them ending up getting along is the punchline. It subverts your expectation.
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>>23404628
I found MD very funny and I always interpreted the gay moments as played up for comedy


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