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Not including light novels or manga, what do you guys think? Classic vs contemporary Japanese literature. Is it superior to other literature, or is it just standard and not unique like manga is?

Apparently the first novel ever written was made by a Japanese woman. I have a hard time believing this, because I thought that the Greeks, Romans, or Chinese would come up with novels before. After all, Japan started their civilization a little later than the other ancients.
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no, i won't be paid to wear a dress shirt to my job. that about sums up why you feel this way about translations
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>>25309690
doesn't matter, even Shakespeare's translations into other euro languages were good enough to inspire. People should start thinking that maybe JP to Eng translations aren't good because Japs just can't write for shit. Their language is restrictive as fuck on thought expression and information transfer is abysmal
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>>25310045
what i am hearing you say is they can't write for you or western audiences, their language has a lot of nuance and you are too lazy to learn these nuances
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I've read books in french, arabic, english and japanese, and japanese books, beside the recent stuff like Haruki Murakami, are way better than the other languages I mentioned, I've also read translations of japanese in french and english before learning it but they can't ever reflect the beautiful prosing of this language.
Some of my favorite Books in Japanese :
- Kusamakura, Natsume Souseki (I've also read two chapters in french)
- Kokoro, Natsume Souseki
- Ningen Shikkaku/No longer human, Dazai Osamu (I've read this one in japanese and english)
- Shayou, Dazai Osamu
I plan to read more classics, especially Mishima (but it's the most complicated I think) and now I'm reading Aku no Kyōten by Kishi Yūsuke, it's good but not comparable to the books I mentionnés.
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Consistently style over substance.
The problem with being a collective, consensus nation is subversive or unique points of view are hammered down. It leads to literature that is either extraordinarily cliche or outright inaccessible because only the most dedicated schizo authors get published. Disappointing considering the prevalence of physical bookstores in Japan. I also think the social inner- and outer-face aspects of the language make it quite stiff, which may be why there are way more prolific Japanese filmmakers and artists than authors. Something about words as a medium doesn't work with Japanese creative.

I greatly enjoyed Dazai but found out that most Japanese don't consider his writing very worthwhile due to his personal behavior. Mishima is at least an extraordinarily interesting dude. Shinichi Hoshi's short-short stories are in a very cool format, but they do suffer a bit as products of their time.

Ironically, the one thing I do agree with the Japanese on is that Murakami is awful. Adolescent regurgitation of imagery that is functionally meaningless and almost an inverted weeaboo for 1960s American pastiche.

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books to debunk astrology?
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>>25308680
Alchemists had no idea that gold was an element rather than a compound. Given the potential rewards, their attempts to transmute baser metals were entirely rational.
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>>25306604
>according to my arbitrary jewish nonsense (my god is incredibly demonic btw if you don't believe me read the old testament) everything outside of this system of jewish nonsense is demonic!
You are in a cult.
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How is astrology supposed to work exactly?
Are there any theories of astrology?
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>>25305105
Worthless paper. The jeet who wrote this mentions that "a more powerful, systematic and elaborate test has been designed by Dean and Kelly". As a citation he gives "Dean, G. and Kelly, I. W., J. Conscious-ness Stud., 2003" which is in fact not a study but an article from the "Journal of Consciousness Studies" called "Is Astrology Relevant to Consciousness and Psi?".
So not only is it not a study, the article isn't even principally about astrology in the first place, but about psychic phenomena in general. There is a brief mention of these supposed astrological tests but the actual research paper is still "forthcoming".
So the jeet paper is citing an article which references another paper that was as of then unpublished, meaning you are not able to look over the methodology, figures, etc. yourself. It's not an actual source of anything.
Now I'm not making any claims about the (non)validity of astrology, but this is a prime example of how completely retarded and useless 90% of so-called "scientific papers" are and why you should never take some reddit tard spamming "sources" at face value.
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>>25304560
They're both right.

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Fourrh Wing is literally the worst written piece of garbage i've ever read
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>>25307267
Domesticated superchad you say, but I'd put money on several side characters hitting on the protag throughout the books. Just like Twilight had the werewolf as a side love interest

Confirm my suspicions pls
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>25309986
But enough about your obsession with chad thundercock.
Let's talk about the book instead.
What is your opinion on its lore?
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>>25307242
My wife constantly asks me to read this but I simply have no interest
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>>25309986
Have you actually read Game of Thrones? I don’t think any of the male characters really fit into the beauty and the beast archetype. Neiher do female ones, now that I try to think about it.
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>>25309967 #
Men might consume slop but they also consume things that are not slop. the overwhelming majority of content produced by or for women is essentially porn.

Man might watch high School DxD abd DBZ clones, but men will also read dune (for what that's worth), the Lord of the rings, the Odyssey, and so on. women read Harry Potter and morning Glory milking farm

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Obscure books only you know about
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>>25309714
Women and Men
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>>25309941
how could you play roblox without yourself?

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Has anyone noticed their hardcovers use cheap newsprint already in the 1960s? What the fuck was going on over there? You check any other printer from the era and it's nearly vellum.
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>>25309213
I think it's because the fountain pen transition was mostly complete. Paper was being designated as fp friendly and that became a luxury product, basildon bond became rarer, and new inks in printing meant paper could be cheaper than BB. And as an academic publisher they naturally decided to get an early start on enshittification.

...not like this....
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>>25305015
thats because chuds have no original thoughts desu
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>>25307184
Your greentext analogy is literally right on the money if you put the word "absolute" before happiness and pain. But then it would fall flat and agree with OP like a retard, which is of course something you didn't intend.
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>>25304455
>if we hadn't followed these abstractions further on, blocked by a knowledge that after all they aren't really there
I don't understand why he would think this. For most of history math was developed for practical reasons. Math solves problems. Why would you be blocked by knowing you could never create an absolutely perfectly straight line etc? Surely you would just focus on making something as straight as you can, or, more likely, as straight as it needs to be for your purposes?
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>>25304382
The human mind is part of nature. Abstract thought is natural.
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>>25309999
Checked

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There's a literature festival goin on, not sure if I should go or not.

Will I meet frens?

This shit sucked. My wife says I need to read the whole trilogy but holy fuck this sucked
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>>25300403
I stopped after the second book. It has one really cool sci-fi idea but it is not really worth to sitting through all the slog.
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>>25306162
It's entirely explicit in the first book to the point that it would have been banned if it hadn't been released in the most lenient times of the CCP. The other two had to get more subtle with it. The entire reason the plot happens is because a girl's father gets ganked by the CCP and she basically says 'fuck this world entirely' and invites the aliens over to destroy humanity
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Why do people that never read this always assume it's CCP propaganda when it's literally thinly veiled criticism of the CCP? Almost every fucking thread I see of this book series around 4chan it's "fuck off with your CCP propaganda"
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>>25300335
>characters are Chinese
>they're soulless caricatures of humans, barely more advanced than amoeba
>it's the most realist depiction of Chinese people in all of literature
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>>25300335
I thought it was amazing.

The actual hard sci-fi elements and discussion on scientific concepts, especially when described in metaphorical terms (the pool table scene for example), were extremely interesting to me. It was like a kitchen sink hard sci-fi book in that everything you could possibly think of (artificial intelligence, virtual reality, FTL, etc.) was included in one way or another, but in ways that don't make these concepts feel derivative (the sophons and the dimensional folding for example). The only thing that kind of bordered on maybe a little too fantastical is the VR world itself? Like, it felt like it was written by someone who never played video games before.

The three plot strands of a scientist growing up in cultural revolution China, a scientist investigating why other scientists are going missing / committing suicide, and a cult wanting aliens to take over humanity are all very unique. Honestly I feel like I gained better insight into the cultural revolution from the first ~20% of Three-Body Problem than I did with some history books, at least as far as the element of anti-westernism in this era goes.

Only real criticism I have I suppose is that some of the characters are really flat and stock, especially the main character, Wang Miao. Although I'd argue he's more of a Watson or a kind of audience surrogate just to have other characters explain the world to.

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How different would Blood Meridian be had the Glanton gang been entirely female?
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>>25306538
>lesbians
Engage in abuse at a lower rate than men, albeit not than gay men or straight women.
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>>25306741
So women are capable of violence
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>>25306854
Always were
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>>25306854
They're more violent in their inner lives, they just don't act on it due to lower testosterone. It's why FTMs are so overrepresented in mass shootings. Most women are moral sewers.
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>>25290684
That anon you are arguing with is very emotional.

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The Great American Novel
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>>25306986
i stopped reading 20 pages in because i hate baseball. i did like white noise tho
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>>25307411
I was reading Players the other day and thought it was a book he wrote in the 90s or 2000s. Turns out he wrote it in the 70s. Delilo outright embarrasses so called cyberpunk authors who were meant to be envisioning the near future. Gibson can suck a turd.
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>>25309883
baseball survives almost entirely on nostalgia. u watch it with some boomer a kid, and then later it reminds u of a comfy summer. i remember watching baseball at my friends dad's apartment one summer. his dad bought what must have been hundreds of packs of baseball cards and had us open them and sort them trying to get a complete set or whatever while watching games. now looking back on it, i think his dad was gay. he had a male roommate and a mustache.
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>>25309888
Gibson is indeed gay.
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>>25309883
Yeah, this was my exact experience with him. I did buy a copy of Underworld though and plan on trying it again at some point.

the three thousand of qohor edition

ASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_Page
Blog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/
Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/
So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/
Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/
SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdy
General search: http://searcherr.work/
TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chapters

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>>25309832
>they fell for the brown First Men propaganda
They've been looking at too much Tumblr fanart.
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>>25309928
Wait until they reveal the Children of the Forest.
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>>25309832
>made the spain inspired region black
kek
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>>25309607
>Anguy got $9.9 MILLION DOLLARS for winning the archery contest at the Hand's Tourney
And they say Westeros has no social mobility.
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>A philosophical system cannot come forward armed at all points like a mathematical treatise, and hence it may be quite possible to take objection to particular passages, while the organic structure of the system, considered as a unity, has no danger to apprehend. But few possess the ability, and still fewer the inclination, to take a comprehensive view of a new system. By confining the view to particular passages, taking these out of their connection and comparing them with one another, it is easy to pick out apparent contradictions, especially in a work written with any freedom of style. These contradictions place the work in an unfavourable light in the eyes of those who rely on the judgement of others, but are easily reconciled by those who have mastered the idea of the whole.
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>>25308419
fortunately i don't.
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This is "it gets good 200 chapters in" and "no, you just don't *get* it" all rolled into one pile of ball of shit. Truly he is a masterful dung beetle.
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>>25306810
Ok, sure, fair enough.

>>25307390
So does he actually address any of the content of Kant's philosophy? This is just dismissing Kant because he can't be a "real philosopher" according to him. Why should I care about Nietzsche's hot takes?
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>>25309907
>expecting an actual argument from Nietzsche
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>>25309907
>So does he actually address any of the content of Kant's philosophy?
imagine for a moment if Kant thought that you could learn things from something that never changes by showing how it will always be the exact same thing, except the knowledge you get from it can also be manifold
Nietzsche does not like this because it makes us more than a historical pile of shit. you should care about Nietzsche if you don't want to have your character assassinated by a man with an instrument

How do I get into Pulp?
I need a bird's eye view of all the franchises from Pulp; to see what's popular, what's influential, what matters.

I know I could just ask AI, but maybe you guys have a website I can check out?
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Bump. Looking for anons who might want to make some updated versions of Snappy stories for this century.
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>>25305857
>updated versions
hentai?
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>>25302312
>I think we are the verge of a Pulp Revival.
I hope so. I'd honestly like a neo-pulp era where people just short stories for fun.
I've been wanting that for years now.
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>>25296984
kek
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>>25301491
>>25302312
>epub epub epub
Imagine having access to terabytes of beautifully preserved works of art, and wanting to read to stripped down version with all of their souls sanded off.
Whatever. Here: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/bookshelf/68

The differences between Nirvana and Christian Heaven—as it is actually deacribed by church fathers—is only grammatical. Basically annihilationism, coming to rest, doing nothing but experiencing God's unity, which is empty of sensible and imaginative and dianoetic content; —AND their attitudes to this world are also identical: Fallen Creation is all empty, all predation and death and disease and hunger and tiredness, experience of boredom, jealousy, vanity, hate, lust... All arise from what could be called Dependent Origination, I.e. out of absence from eternal and true reality.
Fuck both of them —and Islam and Advaita and Stoicism and Kabbalah and whatever else is just a reskin of Ecclesiastes/Gnosticism and its world denial.
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>>25306253
Yes, Christianity is perennialslop.
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>>25305776
Stfu faggot, not Christian doctrine.
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>>25305974
>Cope
What? I see nothing in this text that supports your speculations about the nature of Heaven
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>>25305776
Extremely retarded AND off topic post
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>>25305776
Annihilationist retard. Read what St Paul says about the New Jerusalem. Stop being disingenous.

Now that the dust has finally settled, who or what do you think Tom Bombadil was?

In a meta-sense he is the embodiment of Christianity but lore-wise?
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He's Tom Bombadil, he occupies a novel and likely singular niche in literature.
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>>25308498
I mainly interpret him as a merry fellow
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>>25308498
I think Tom Bombadil is Morgoth laying low and pretending to be just some guy who is goofy and harmless and totally not the Dark Lord so that he doesn't get ganged on by the Valar again. He uses his magical, mind-affecting song, capable of putting the formidable Great Willow to sleep without any hint of difficulty, to alter the thought processes of the listeners. Unfortunately that magic also somehow seems to extend to most readers for some reason. The narrative itself demonstrates that Tom Bombadil isn't a total pacifist with how he pummels the Barrow-wight, and there are also hints of deep plans and awareness.

By the way, Tom Bombadil is supposed to have red skin, as in actually red. For some reason I have never seen that portrayed in illustrations. Maybe all the illustrators thought that adhering to the text as written would have made Tom Bombadil look too much like a classic portrayal of a red devil and make the viewer suspect that horns might be hiding under the hat, but the illustrators assumed that Tolkien couldn't possibly have been intending to go for such a mental image.
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>>25309826
Hot take lol
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