Its jarring how the prequel books dont line up to what happened in Lonesome DoveThe events are all jumbled or just plain wrongMaggie didnt die in Lonesome DoveClara wasnt chased by jake and she wasnt away at school when the Indian raid happened and she didnt rush back to the store etcIts egregiousHow hard is it to keep story threads consistant?
The really great story in all this is how CBS made a sequel to its Lonesome Dove series, calling it Return to Lonesome Dove and not written by McMurtry. -- McMurtry was so incensed by this that in his actual sequel, "Streets of Laredo", he reports that Newt -- who McMurtry admits was the lonesome dove -- was actually killed by Call's untameable horse, Hell Bitch. -- Continuity of any sort is just not part of this entire story.
>>25549723>Return to Lonesome Dove Which, besides being tedious and boring, features the hilarious line "GUS MCCRAE RESPECTED WOMEN MORE THAN ANY MAN I EVER KNEW"
>>25548011I found the tonal shift more jarring like he wanted to be Corncob all of a sudden. Lonesome Dove has brutal parts but is mostly comfy reading.
>>25548011use spoiler tags, faggot
>>25549966No fuck you.
The first few chapters of this book is comedic gold. However I don't feel like finishing it. Not enough aura with the book.
>>25549676>Vietnam war>1961surely you mean another asian country...
>>25549481The next 300 pages are just the first 100 pages done over and over again. Its like a series of "that's funny once" vignettes that all get repeated 3 or 4 times, eg the black market mess hall officer, Yossarians rendezvous with the prosties, the guy who screams in his sleep all the time. I regret finishing it and not starting a different novel after I'd met the whole cast of chatacters.
>>25549481The "I see everything twice" chapter Is the hardest I've ever laughed. Not just while reading a book, but while consuming any piece of art ever.
It's one (1) clever(?) joke stretched out for 300 pages of weepy leftoid masturbation, it's like a double Vonnegut
>>25549703"The novel was not an immediate sensation when it was came out but grew in prestige through the 1960s as the Vietnam War—and U.S. involvement in it—became a world obsession."
In the world of dead print media, are there any magazines you still buy or subscribe to, that aren't on the brink of death or going all digital?
>>25548018For the second time, no.
>>25548018ahemthe best of & AKA the best of & magazine issues 001-014 AKA &: the best of issues 001-014 AKA the best-ofwa-lahttps://the-best-of-amp.github.io/
>>25548018I don't subscribe, but Decibel seems to be doing all right.
ahem
Unfortunately a lot of fantasy "authors" are just bad at creating a decent setting for their works, and as an autist I just can't enjoy their work if I can tell that they've cut corners in terms of worldbuilding.Other than the more well-known series like LOTR, ASOIAF, Wheel of Time and the Stormlight Archive, what can /lit/ recommend in this area? Any suggestions are appreciated
You have a general to use manchild. Kindly post there instead of shitting the board up with these threads.
>>25549955For worldbuilding, R. Scott Bakker's The Darkness That Comes Before. It is, overall, the best genre fiction of all time.
>>25550026Yeah, let's have more threads about philosphy and religion that are okay because someone wrote a book once, then another round of swedejeet posting, a complaint about troons and then ten thousand frogposts.
>>25549955World Building is a crutch hacks use to not work on their story but want to pretend like they're still being productive.
>>25549955Malazan UniverseOsten Ard SagaThe Black CompanyThe Demon Cycle
I can't stand the silence, what do you listen to while you read?
if you're not listening to this are you even reading?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueufxzUjsS0
Why does silence make browns uncomfortable?
>>25549089try mynoise.netactually one of the best websites, really cool passion project by a retired audio guy
>>25549280TINNITUS AFFLICTS US ALL, YA DUMB FUCK.
no my imagination needs the silence to expand into and useI can understand for people who can't imagine the apple in their head, good for you.
Are there any decent female booktubers?
>>25547502What about that white young good looking guy who always had his shirt off?
>>25547496>>25549801She's very Iberian looking.
>>25550274The Golden One?
>>25548520kill me with a gun
>>25547502I listen to James Tullos videos sometimes
I can’t believe the Simpsons copied the Sneed joke from the postmodern genius William Gaddis’ book J RThey deserve to be sued for this shit.
I don't get it
>>25549351Gaddis is one of the shittest writers I swear to god he doesn't edit a single word like it's all gold falling out of his fat head
>>25549423Speaking strictly of fiction writers, Gaddis is among the most deliberate writers.He’s no Joyce or Faulkner, but he certainly triumphs over his contemporaries.
>>25549479>faulkner>deliberateLol
HYPERNEOTRANSCENDENTALTHOMISM KANTIANISM.
>>25549766KANT KANTIAN KANTIANISM
>>25550150Now this is true esoterik Kant, he's a Grand Wizzard!
Thoughts on the thinking chud's fantasy series? First Law seemed to understand it was going to be just another generic Tolkien rip-off unless it learned hard into cynicism and actively rejected Tolkien. Unlike GoT which did the same thing though, it didn't feel like directionless bitching and subversion for the sake of subversion. It's full of neat historical allegory and has a primal "might makes right and fuck you if you ever believed otherwise" theme running through it. Remaining alive and killing those who want you dead is pretty much the only moral truth at the bottom of this well. The centuries-long Nietzschean wizard battles happening far above the petty concerns of normal people is pretty interesting as well. I think Abercrombie develops the idea way better in the second trilogy though. The follow-up series Age of Madness is way more interesting because it asks what happens in a world where the best killers/survivors successfully reproduce. Orso's arc from decadent spoiled rich kid to heroic king who leads a final, gloriously doomed cavalry charge and then gets captured and executed was pure kino. Abercrombie's addiction to historical allegory was on full display as he borrows all the most interesting elements of the English civil war + French/Russian revolutions. It was written in a historical moment (late 2010s/early 2020s) which seemed revolutionary to many and took the wind out of reader's sails by basically saying "all revolutionaries, even the successful ones, are still pawns"I still think about it a lot even years after reading it.
>>25549292What? This is Disney tier compared to actual doomer literature...>>25549904>Then the author gets very bored with it all and writes a new trilogy about vampires werewolves and fairies in alt history.One of the top five worst books I've ever read.
I don't remember very much about these other than my enthusiasm tended to trail off with each new book. Agreed with sentiment that they are fine, worth reading if you like this genre. That's all.
>>25549292Now this is some good advertising
Was Bremer Dan Gorst "our guy"?
>>25549973>One of the top five worst books I've ever read.It's trashy and he also reuses basically the same party formula from The First Law to boot. With special editions being a flourishing area in publishing they're even hawking "limited editions" of that piece of trash FIRST BOOK IN A SERIES. https://fablelistikeditions.com/collections/the-devilsFor the low price of a thousand dollars you too can own the unrealized promise of this series not being trash.
Why do you seethe over The Tale of Genji? How many copies of it have you burned?
>>25550125I seethed because the book starts to drag after the the titular character dies and it is all about his kids and shit.
*blocks your path*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callirhoe_(novel)
>>25550125Invented the Daughterwife trope so I don't think it's the chuds who are angry about it
>>25550125But japanese culture IS western culture.
>>25550125Kek, I forget sometimes that Japs can be ultra bitter and resentful too.
>inb4 hegel
>>25549796>The "final boss" of literature undoubtedly has to be Finnegans Wake on the grounds of its being the most dense work of fiction and the ludicrous background required to catch every referenceWhy not Pound's Cantos by that metric?
>>25549806Another reasonable contender
>>25549806I've read both and the Wake is considerably denser. Aren't there only like a dozen different languages used in Cantos?
>>25547046>>25549796Still get chills thinking about that opening line
Bump!Bothallchoractorschumminaroundgansumuminarumdrumstrumtruminahumptadumpwaultopoofoolooderamaunsturnup! Did do a dive, aped onePropellopalombarouter, based twoRutsch is for rutterman ramping his roe, seed three. Where the muddies scrimm ball. Bimbim bimbim. And the maidies scream all. Himhim himhim.
>The government does not, indeed, waylay a man in a lonely place, spring upon him from the road side, and, holding a pistol to his head, proceed to rifle his pockets. But the robbery is none the less a robbery on that account; and it is far more dastardly and shameful.>The highwayman takes solely upon himself the responsibility, danger, and crime of his own act. He does not pretend that he has any rightful claim to your money, or that he intends to use it for your own benefit. He does not pretend to be anything but a robber. He has not acquired impudence enough to profess to be merely a “protector,” and that he takes men’s money against their will, merely to enable him to “protect” those infatuated travellers, who feel perfectly able to protect themselves, or do not appreciate his peculiar system of protection. He is too sensible a man to make such professions as these. Furthermore, having taken your money, he leaves you, as you wish him to do. He does not persist in following you on the road, against your will; assuming to be your rightful “sovereign,” on account of the “protection” he affords you. He does not keep “protecting” you, by commanding you to bow down and serve him; by requiring you to do this, and forbidding you to do that; by robbing you of more money as often as he finds it for his interest or pleasure to do so; and by branding you as a rebel, a traitor, and an enemy to your country, and shooting you down without mercy, if you dispute his authority, or resist his demands. He is too much of a gentleman to be guilty of such impostures, and insults, and villanies as these. In short, he does not, in addition to robbing you, attempt to make you either his dupe or his slave.
>>25550094Goooood, gooodLet the hate flow through youLet flow through more easily with this book, of which, was never very much countered by any of the Founding Fathers.. Funny that..
I have a hunch that a lot of the people who are interested in the classics are only reactionaries, who view the study of the classics as the natural, logical, and best cure to the ideological poisons of our current society. However, I'm not sure if a lot of people are receiving the classics in the correct way. When you read the classics, you shouldn't be feeling any strong parallels with our current society. What you should feel, is that you've somehow got a window into a lost, alien civilization that vaguely resembles something like an evolved form of humanity. You should not feel like, "This resembles me on my best behavior". You should feel like, "This is a level leagues above me, and I'd have to strive all my life to get near it". You should feel shocked, awed, slightly confused, slightly depressed, but most of all, you should feel a deep longing to bring that degree of excellence which the ancients attained back to earth. If you haven't felt this feeling, you haven't understood the classics. The specific work that gives this feeling to you will vary per person. Some get it through Plato. Some through Aristotle. Some through Ovid. Some through Plutarch. If you don't get it through one, that's perfectly fine. Just continue until you find the author that does do this for you, because when it happens, it will change your life.
>>25550067I know that Socrates knows that Euthyphro doesnt know shit. But Socrates is also searching for answers. He has the question,"What is piety" and the person most likely to know doesnt know anything. I think that last part is Socrates trolling Euthyphro, but also genuine despair that he doesnt have a teacher to learn from.
>>25549981The Patristics are the classics of the classics. That Pagans did not have true virtue or gnosis because they lacked the fullness of Christ (and so too for the Jews). They had splendid vices, virtues ordered to imperfect, if not wicked ends. Plato saw further than most, but no human logos can fathom the infinite plentitude of the Logos, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
>>25550116>The Patristics are the classics of the classics.They're really not. Derivative? Certainly.
I'm probably not alone in feeling as if most of my desire to learn from the classics can only culminate in one giant larp. Many of our enlightenment figures had this feeling too and could never quite dissolve it. But the majority either did not realize this or did not care, and so enlightenment europe is in many respects a failed larp. But I'm really curious what you all have to say about this.It seems to me that enlightement europe was permanently shackled or crippled by some invisible burden. Like the ancients were free in a much deeper sense to pursue arete, whereas the europeans were left to buckle under a certain strange pressure for hundreds of years. And I think that pressure comes from Christianity turning Europeans into a very reflective and cautious sort of people. Because to truly avoid sin, you have to stay vigilant at all times, and be prepared to second guess almost any action that you take. And this has wormed its way so deeply into the european subconscoius, that to simply apply oneself unconsciously to the external world is almost unthinkable. A modern European would be terrified of behaving like a true Roman because some deep fear would emerge from his subconscious warning him that he may be about to sin.
The classics do seem entirely alien. But nothing I've read makes them seem higher or really awe inspiring.
I'll start
>>25548313imagine needing a phd to write what every trash grocery store novel wrote 40 years ago and imagine anyone caring in 2026?the fuck is wrong withyou people
>>25548313>Here was the cock. Take care of it. Never mind do you love me. Never mind let's eat first. Never mind I want to sightsee first. Never mind a little nap, later, not now, tonight, next week, the day after Christmas. Right now. Quick service all the way down the line.>But it's true that the first step downhill is when she doesn't want to fuck when you do. Listen, there's no excuse. Never mind the headaches. No shit. Once a broad starts turning you down in bed it's all over. Start looking for your backer-upper. Never take an excuse.
>>25548313i find bools about sexual technique tend to run out of things to say very quickly, even if what little they have to say is both true and useful. sex is unintuitive and daunting, but it isn't complicated. there just are not enough sex tips that are actually useful to fill anything more that a large pamphlet.
>>25548313Are there any books that changed your life for the worse?
>>25548313
There's nothing wrong with listening to audiobooks as long as you're not multitasking
Let's all agree that you are listening to me right now while I am talking to you.
>>25544081>never cared for audiobooks>my inner contrarian etches closer and closer towards wanting to do so due to all of the midwits bashing themthis is stealth marketing, innit?
>>25546152>didn't read the OP
>>25544081So what do you do while listening to them then? Stare at the ceiling?
>>25544081If you don’t multitask then why not just read
