i'm reading this edition
>>25587691there are so many prologues and prefaces and introductions and dedications that i never got to the poem partfuck it
>>25587691retarded and boring. all the retards who say it's deep and philosophical are pseud larpers. werther was fine tho.
>>25587854this
I read it and instantly memoryholed it
>>25587691Bliss and enlightenment.
What is the Great American Novel?
>>25589913>can't answer the question but wants to feel smart anyway
>>25590112I’ll answer your question, thank you for interacting on American interwebs with me. I’m not familiar with “Great American ______” besides Great American Novel, though maybe you know more about it than I do. You can read Evola on Americans prioritizing bigness in emulation of the Negro (bodybuilding is American for example). Why we need a Great American Novel… it may be a kind of amateurish insecurity, a striving for culture which we need but don’t have. (America is both without culture and on the cutting edge of the world spirit in its culture.)However the novel is the one form that does not rely on supporting culture, it’s the form of isolated alienated individuals (Benjamin discusses this somewhere). You can have American novelists but an American dramatist or opera composee would never have had success because the social novel is anti-social. You do have movies but these are inherently pornographic and “mass culture”.
>>25590020>gravity's rainbow
>>25588204Moby-Dick or Gone with the Wind
>>25590112Houellebecq actually blamed America for European cultural decline but then said America is the place that still make goods novels (this confused me because I have no idea what novels he is referring to)
i wrote a feminist poem called i digress that is mathematically calculated to win awards hello husband, you are late from workjust like i am late to have never met youbut i digressyou must be hungry and expect a mealjust like i expected you to bring me flowersbut i digreshere is roasted pig, see the fear in his eyes?just like the fear in my own when you raped mebut i digressthere will be no sex tonight....as if you ask for consent!but i digresshere is my new bf, he's black and gay Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>25587974empty sockets denote fear even stroger
>>25587974If by white people you mean every variety of island dwelling Asian, yes. And cajuns.
>>25588050>>25587974wypipo be like
>>25587951Nice Self-Portrait "just" needs some "improvement" go learn some drawing, you would be like Vincent. Can you hear me? Can you hear the music?
>>25587967NTAIt does, but the activity is probably ritualistic by now.
Has the dream of America having a literary scene able to match (or even surpass) Europe's been achieved? Does America have novels that both are of great quality and could have only been written in America? If so, what do you consider the proper contenders for the GAN?
>>25585633theodore dreiser was a great authorhe used "realism" style
>>25585633I thought Blood Meridian was the current consensus pick for that title. Or is it just a small group of edgelords who say that?
>>25585639Gone with the Wind is a genuine contender. /lit/ won't admit it because it's written by a woman, but it's true.
you might not like it, but this is what the GAN looks like in 2026
>>25588831Nope nope nope
Why are so many unpublished or self-published authors so averse to having other people, namely editors, take a critical look at their work? I see this attitude regularly on social media, so maybe it doesn't completely reflect reality, but there seems to be this idea that their voice and style are so unique that any kind of revision or proofreading would somehow compromise them and diminish the work. Ironically, these are often the same people who write badly, overusing metaphors and clichés or constantly overdescribing the tiniest gestures and movements to the point of making their work almost unreadable.
>>25589849Okay, I did. Now what?
>>25583315That is the ideal editor. Imagine their response being>You're heart is problematic and suggests you are a bad person. Have you considered making it black?
>>25588175I care, therefore you are demonstrably incorrect.
>>25589920Stop pretending to be stupid.
>>25583094bullshit thread
So is anyone gonna pick it up?
ITT: worst book covers
>>25585793Hahahahahaha!
AI sloppa
Believe it or not, this 1919 novel has nothing to do with Star Trek.
>>25590008perhaps, yes, My best guess is that it's one of the electric sheep that the titular androids dream about. And maybe they added breasts to it to entice people into buying the book? It's from 1973 btw
>>25589893kek they might as well have gone for this
It has been clear to me for the longest time that the true reason why these people hate Jesus and the God He mirrors is their hatred for absolute, consistent, universal principles.In their world, there is no reason to follow these because they do not believe in God, and thus, their god is the self. If you understand this, it all makes perfect sense.They hate absolutes because absolutes reveal that they are making a choice. They love the grey area because it allows them to hide behind ambiguity. They hate consistency because they want to eat but not be hungry, they want to drink but not be thirsty, they want love without sacrifice, and they want to take but never to give. And they hate universality because it reveals their hypocrisy and double standards.When Jesus said, "Do not resist an evil person," and, "If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also," this is a threat to them because they know that they won't let themselves live by these principles, and therefore, they want to suppress them and not see anyone else live by them either.Each time they see someone else live by these or try to live by them, it reminds them of what they are. Their hatred for God follows from this naturally.They obviously want judgment, as long as it is visible and based on what can be seen. They hate the idea of a God who judges based on the unseen because they know that, when it comes to them, what is seen and what is unseen are not alike.Instead of turning to God sincerely, they begin to scream, "There is no God!" This is what happens with anyone who makes the self their god. The self will always do what the self desires.You need something greater than the self so that you are able to overthrow the self. Anyone who is humble will turn to God and acknowledge what they lack, and anyone who comes to God in this way, He will never drive away.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
There's no god, dude.
>>25590041There is objective evidence that God is dead, and we know it at the second law of thermodynamics. The universe tends toward entropy, meaning that it doesn't have an animating spirit. We are living in the decaying corpse of the Deity that spawned us.
Just finished Lucan's Pharsalia, a less known ancient epic, was pretty awesome. Easy to read for an ancient epic thanks to very oratory writing, yet at the same time extremelly difficult to understand because of the required historical knowledge.The part with the witch Erichtho is truly one of the GOATs. Depictions of Pompey and Caesar are also very cool, Pompey as the one reluctantly pushed by fate and Caesar as a force of nature - more destructive lightning than man.Favorite passages overall:>Roman senator forcing delphi oracle to deliver prophecy, he recognizes she is making shit up when it makes too much sense>Erichtho passage, where Sextus Pompey consults the witch Erichtho who through necromancy foretells future>Caesar's soldiers on a raft get intercepted by Pompey's forces and commit mass suicide>the beginning where Lucanus describes the whole known world (china included)>Pompey and his armies after defeat at Pharsalus discussing where to go (passage talking shit about Parthians)Here's some shitty english cover.
I'm an editor, I receive manuscripts and get to say if we should publish them or not, ama
>>25589017You won't dare to mention what titles they're buying
>>25589113
>>25583371>29,000 books sell 12 or less copies.The real figure is about 14% of books published by the top ten publishers sell 12 or less print copies.But over 80% of books sell 1,000 or less copies
>>25583335>editor>I'm an editor. I receive manuscripts and get to say if we should publish them or not. AmaFtfy editor-san
Are editors the most loathsome, toxic, worthless category of humans (after women)?They seem completely unable to provide the slightest improvement to whatever they touch. Everything gets turned into diarrhea.It's gotten to the point that if you manage to publish something good, it's DESPITE editors, not thanks to them.
What are we reading for Spooktober, /lit/?
>>25581471THEY FUCKED HIS ASSThey all fucked Ohhh-P's assTHEY FUCKED HIS ASSIt was a graveyard smashTHEY FUCKED HIS ASSThey did him in the assTHEY FUCKED HIS ASSAHH OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>25585310Update: finished it yesterday. Pretty good, it's obvious why it became so influential, but you can tell it's King's very early work and his style is still rough at places.
>>25581471>being so much of a pussy that other people talking about horror makes you personally offended
>>25588205Any Poe at the library? He’s pretty Halloweeny.
>>25581463I read Harvest Home. Fun to see how pervasive the influence of the Golden Bough was on even 70s horror lit, though having read it really did make most of the twists very obvious. Still a nice read though, three quarters of the book is mostly pure autumnal comfort, and the 70s gender war yonic fears were funny.>>25586107I enjoyed Lonesome October just fine, but yes, it is part of that pre-internet nerd culture that has been driven into the ground. It was a big influence on Cultist Simulator though, so I give it a pass.
Spanish litterature is superior to German, Italian and Russian litterature and only behind English and French litterature and this shouldn't even be a debate. And I'm talking Spanish litterature as in from Spain, not Latin America
>>25589526What do they Spaniards even have? Don Quixote was mediocre.
>>25589526>completely ignores Asian literatureuneducated imbecile
>>25589607You didn’t like 1100 pages of >and then after that he did another stupid thing what an idiot xD?
>>25589526>I'm talking Spanish litterature as in from Spain, not Latin AmericaBut Latin American literature is Spainish literature, the same way American literature is English literature.
>>25589526Sorry bud, German/Russian bodies every other literature, and it's not close
Reification is a fallacy where one misattribute an abstraction as sort of physical entity and it seems prevalent in Philosophy, akin to "category error". Why is that?
>>25586941YOU SCRIPT IN A WAY AS IF YOU'RE AFRAID TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT YOU SCRIPTTHAT'S WHY YOU HIDE BEHIND LITERATURE OF LANGUAGES OF FORMER COLONIES FROM THE LANGUAGE YOU TYPE INLITTLE DO YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE EXPOSING YOURSELF AS A POSER THIS WAYI SUGGEST YOU AND I STOP BEING LARPING BITCHES ABOUT WHATEVER WE'RE LARPILY BITCHING ABOUT AND MAN OURSEVES THE FLIP UP
>>25587006HOW DOES THIS WEBSITE CALL INDIANS 'PAJEETS' THE ONE DAY AND WORSHIP THE 'BHAGAVAD GITA' THE NEXT DAY AND ACT AS IF THEY'RE ENLIGHTENED ANCIENT INDIAN SUN GOD WARRIORS THROUGH THAT TEXTI CALL BULLSHIT ON ITLETS JUST BE OURSELVES, THAT'LL AMPLY SUFFICENOT SORRY FOR NOT BEING SORRY, I'VE GOT WORK TO DO
Brain hemispheres, see Iain McGilchrist's work. Trash philosophers from Plato to Aquinas to Locke to Russell all made this mistake.
>>25587006>>25587015>EVERYTHING IS PERFORMATIVEYes.>I'M TRAD AND READ TRUDCOREYou're apparently a jeet then. >IF I'M A JEET AND PERFORMATIVE THEN I AT LEAST WANT TO BE A BUHASEDD JEET.Whatever you have to tell yourself.>I HAVE WORK TO DO!I didn't tell you stop.
>>25587006You can barely write in English, the person you are responding to is clearly far more articulate, now drop the idiotic all caps gimmick. This website has anonymous users for a reason. You don't need to write every post in a way that signals 'look it's me! it's me posting again! not just some common fool, it's me! me! me!' We don't care, man. Also, yes, clearly you are indian, it goes without saying.
>and then we went to Rue Montorgueil and got drunk at the Au Rocher de Cancale>and then we went to Rue de Buci and got drunk at the Maison Sauvage>and then we went to Rue Mouffetard and got drunk at the Café de la Contrescarpe>and then we went to Rue des Martyrs and got drunk at the Café du Marché>and then...
>>25583151>>25584386The exchange rate was very favourable in the 20s, that's why so many penniless expats and writers went to Paris. The equivalent today would be like hanging around in Vietnam and drinking 50c bottles of beer everyday.
imo this book is really dependent on the American context. Imagine>born around turn of century in USA>backwater protestantism>zero culture>serve in WWI, go to Europe>see catholicism>see culture>holyshit.jpg>come home>protestantism still sucks>zero culture still sucks>fuckthis.targaThe problem is that Hemingway is an incurable American. That's why he writes like complete shit, aside from being a journalist. Catholicism and bull fights are just cool things to go see, no actual higher meaning. No surprise he supported the commies
I liked it.
>>25588774This, and even then they are all broke in the end, except Jake.
>>25585008Bill was cool. He should have stayed fishing in Spain with his homie instead of chasing broads without a pecker.
In our part of the world, where monogamy is in force, to marry means to halve one’s rights and to double one’s duties. When the laws granted woman the same rights as man, they should also have given her a masculine power of reason. On the contrary, just as the privileges and honours which the laws decree to women surpass what Nature has meted out to them, so is there a proportional decrease in the number of women who really share these privileges; therefore the remainder are deprived of their natural rights in so far as the others have been given more than Nature accords.For the unnatural position of privilege which the institution of monogamy, and the laws of marriage which accompany it, assign to the woman, whereby she is regarded throughout as a full equivalent of the man, which she is not by any means, cause intelligent and prudent men to reflect a great deal before they make so great a sacrifice and consent to so unfair an arrangement. Therefore, whilst among polygamous nations every woman finds maintenance, where monogamy exists the number of married women is limited, and a countless number of women who are without support remain over; those in the upper classes vegetate as useless old maids, those in the lower are reduced to very hard work of a distasteful nature, or become prostitutes, and lead a life which is as joyless as it is void of honour. But under such circumstances they become a necessity to the masculine sex; so that their position is openly recognised as a special means for protecting from seduction those other women favoured by fate either to have found husbands, or who hope to find them. In London alone there are 80,000 prostitutes. Then what are these women who have come too quickly to this most terrible end but human sacrifices on the altar of monogamy? The women here referred to and who are placed in this wretched position are the inevitable counterbalance to the European lady, with her pretensions and arrogance.
Hence polygamy is a real benefit to the female sex, taking it as a whole. And, on the other hand, there is no reason why a man whose wife suffers from chronic illness, or remains barren, or has gradually become too old for him, should not take a second. Many people become converts to Mormonism for the precise reasons that they condemn the unnatural institution of monogamy. The conferring of unnatural rights upon women has imposed unnatural duties upon them, the violation of which, however, makes them unhappy. For example, many a man thinks marriage unadvisable as far as his social standing and monetary position are concerned, unless he contracts a brilliant match. He will then wish to win a woman of his own choice under different conditions, namely, under those which will render safe her future and that of her children. Be the conditions ever so just, reasonable, and adequate, and she consents by giving up those undue privileges which marriage, as the basis of civil society, alone can bestow, she must to a certain extent lose her honour and lead a life of loneliness; since human nature makes us dependent on the opinion of others in a way that is completely out of proportion to its value. While, if the woman does not consent, she runs the risk of being compelled to marry a man she dislikes, or of shrivelling up into an old maid; for the time allotted to her to find a home is very short. In view of this side of the institution of monogamy, Thomasius’s profoundly learned treatise, *de Concubinatu*, is well worth reading, for it shows that, among all nations, and in all ages, down to the Lutheran Reformation, concubinage was allowed, nay, that it was an institution, in a certain measure even recognised by law and associated with no dishonour. And it held this position until the Lutheran Reformation, when it was recognised as another means for justifying the marriage of the clergy; whereupon the Catholic party did not dare to remain behindhand in the matter.It is useless to argue about polygamy, it must be taken as a fact existing everywhere, the mere regulation of which is the problem to be solved. Where are there, then, any real monogamists? We all live, at any rate for a time, and the majority of us always, in polygamy. Consequently, as each man needs many women, nothing is more just than to let him, nay, make it incumbent upon him to provide for many women. By this means woman will be brought back to her proper and natural place as a subordinate being, and the lady, that monster of European civilisation and Christian-Teutonic stupidity, with her ridiculous claim to respect and veneration, will no longer exist; there will still be women, but no unhappy women, of whom Europe is at present full. The Mormons’ standpoint is right.
