Any book that describes the sociological aspects of religious sectarianism? Prefer nonfiction but fiction is okay too
>>23818114I don't believe that religion shapes cultures but rather that religion is the expression of different cultures.Hence why North Western Europe turned Protestant and Latin Europe remained Catholic.
>>23818197tell me about the debt
>>23818197>North Western EuropeMight as well just say "Germanic". Since France and Ireland remained Catholic.
>>23818264>France remained Catholicdoubt.jpeg
>>23818269It's the dominant form of Christianity in France, at least. Imagine how beautiful and wholesome France could have been if it hadn't murdered all of its Protestants in a bloody Catholic rage. Instead we have the decadent, dirty France of today.
Does /lit/ agree with this assessment?Main themes:The Iliad= humility and forgiveness (rejection of the Self)The Odyssey= individualism and punishment (acceptance of the Self)The Iliad’s main theme of humility is apparent in Achille’s godlike rage. Through the death of Patroclus and the meeting with Priam where he returns Hector’s body, Achilles realizes that his place in the world is no greater than other soldiers at Troy and he realizes that his godlike vanity is what led to his best friend’s death meaning that the soldier must sublimate himself to the rest or risk losing his comrade.The Odyssey however is totally different. It is about usurpers attempting to steal a king’s identity and the king seeks to reclaim his role. It isn’t about working with the whole but driving out the rest who do not belong in his land or taking his identity. It is a complete acceptance of the Self as the only thing that matters and it has no acceptance of enemies like in the Iliad. Rather it has a long massacre of suitors whose crime is that they do not belong to the identity of the King of Ithaca and must be driven out from his world. What are your thoughts on this analysis?
>>23814242You have point about Illiad but not Oddesey
>>23816803In what way? What specifically do you disagree with? To me, the Iliad is about the folly of putting yourself ahead of others and it contrasts to the very identity themed Odyssey. It is just that in one the hero learns to accept his enemies and to respect them while in the other the enemies get violently murdered without any sympathy.
Get the fuck in the ship boys, we're going to hell and back
>>23816102>The wrath of Achilles was not a good thing. It was what led to his friend dying at Hector’s handIt is entirely seemly for a young man killed in battle to lie mangled by the bronze spear. In his death all things appear fair. This is what men are made for.
>>23816832Some enemies are worthy of respect. Some aren't.
it really do be like that
>>23815977What are their fundamental differences? I'm not particularly familiar with the Traditionalist school. I recall that Schuon is received better as an anthropologist while Guenon seems to be more theological.
>>23815977I'm quite interested in Schuonian Praxis (hitting that Indian cunny)
>>23815977>Schuon :>basic "I'm above and outside any tradition" guru, "I get tantric sex and get nake type of new age sect leader" >into sex scandals, outside of any tradition (supposedly above them>"I get to take up Guénon's movement and inspired tariqa and make it mine and use it to criticize him">Go to america to have his own sect >No heritage, as the sect just dies out>But Guénon :>Denies he is a master>Humbly directing people towards already existing tradition, thus making guénonians enter a lot of tradition and making it in fact very perenial by it's conformity to tradition principles>Get a wife and children as a normal individual in a traditional societyThe point of criticism of Schuon against Guénon here was Schuon's defense of papism and of any type of christianism. It's juste plain stupidity, because of course the papism is defficient, heretic, in crisis and we all know it birthed the modern world. In all of this, it shows Schuon was far less strict and serious and much more sentimental and and a victim of religious wishfull-thinking.
>>23817034>It's juste plain stupidity, because of course the papism is defficient, heretic, in crisis and we all know it birthed the modern worldmuzzie/orthocuck cope. Schuon was right.
>>23817058How is it cope?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/q4H5S6SHLUI
I've been getting to reading more often, but there's something a little silly that's in the back of my mind that keeps me from getting too into it: I feel like a lot of the effort is going to waste because I know I won't remember a lot of this! It probably doesn't help that throughout college I saw and did a lot of writing that was too concise and had to be "extended" to be a more acceptable length. The details wouldn't really matter if it's just silly fiction and novels, but I've also become more interested in non-fiction and actual topics.My thinking's that I could just take notes while reading something, and be left with like a summary once I'm done. Thing is, does anyone do that with stuff that isn't for studying? It feels somehow weird to "study" for yourself.And what do people do when reading, anyway? Does this happen to other people?
>>23814035wtf is your picrel
>>23814035How do I forge five men to fuck my girlfriend?
Read something like the Canterbury Tales (only using a translation and footnotes when absolutely necessary), I feel like it unlocked something in my brain and I started being able to understand everything I read more deeply. Try to figure out on your own what it is that Chaucer's actually saying.
>>23816938Fuck her yourself, asshole
I hardly read books before I started reading out loud the past few years. I love reading books out loud now and it kind of slows me down, actually improves my pronunciation and confidence and helps me get comfortable with reading new things out loud for the first time. I'm a performer so I love pronouncing and performing. I wish someone had encouraged me to read out loud when I was younger.
Who buys these oooks?
>>23815903I pirate them
>>23815903Orangutangs?
>>23815927>>23816416>>23816464Schools don’t have eyes so they can’t read
>>23815903The university system and its products work via similar mechanisms as pharmaceutical medicine which costs insane amounts because you’re not supposed to buy it personally but loan the rights through third party insurance companies that deal in an economy created by exponential self-creating debt where a million dollars is a drop in an ocean compared to the monopoly money economy you, a human person of flesh, blood, sweat, tears (all leeched) who likely do not live in a house of good stone with usura—
>>23815903As interesting as this would appear to be, all of the most relevant details would undoubtedly be unincluded in this book, as it would be closely guarded intellectual property that nobody in their right mind would share.
How do I go about developing a well-rounded personal philosophy? What are some questions I should ask myself?
>>23816221And what *is* a personal philosophy, dear Glaucon?
>>23816253Too bad high IQ means less reproductive success
>>23816221Ask yourself about the attainment of knowledge, how you view the world and what you think is right
>>23816221If you have to ask, start with the Greeks.
>>23818169Don't do this, it's a recipe for becoming a pseud. You read some rinky dink fragments, then Plato, then skip Aristotle because he's le boring and not an epick mystick, then become a Guenonist or a Hindoo or a Thelemite or some other bullshit. Do not do this. Start with the Categories.
>"We are mind and body: if mind and body (inasmuch as they belong to the world of maya) are false, how can one hope to achieve through them that which is true?" Since "it is impossible that something would be transformed into its own very contradiction."
>>23817927> Then we go back to another option which I presented here No, that has already been addressed and is also most recently addressed here >>23817966It doesn’t revert to the false binary that you presented earlier because there is no reason why the Brahman-Atman has to be aware of, fooled by or affected by samsara simply because of its constant presence alongside samsara, these are two different issues and different questions and its sloppy thinking to conflate them (how is it the nature of X to abide vs what is its relation with something else). As already explained when the Buddhi is the experiencer it removes any reason to additionally assign this function to the background awareness, you never actually provide a good justification for this.
>>23817927>>23817980> there is no reason why the Brahman-Atman has to be aware of, fooled by or affected by samsara simply because of its constant presence alongside samsara, these are two different issues and different questions and its sloppy thinking to conflate them .Just because Brahman has some relationship with the hearts (intellects) of all beings, it does not follow that Brahman experiences happiness and sorrow like the embodied souls; for there is a difference. There is forsooth a difference between the embodied soul and the supreme God. The one is an agent, an experiencer (of happiness and sorrow), a source of merit, demerit etc., and possessed of happiness and sorrow, while the other is just the opposite, being possessed of such qualities as freedom from sin and so on. Because of this distinction between the two, the one has experiences, but not the other. If from the mere fact of proximity, and without any reference to the intrinsic nature of things, a causal relation with some effect is postulated, then space, for instance, can as well become burnt, (it being connected with fire), - Shankara Brahma Sutra Bhashya, I, 2, 8Your argument was already refuted by Sri Shankaracharya (pbuh) himself. Imagine my shock.
>>23816622you have provided a false premise , all vedantins agree to the existence of "atma" (soul) which is eternally and inextricably linked to "parmatma"(supreme soul/god) . It is beyond "being" it exists beyond the material and spiritual planes . No weapon, fire, water or wind can affect the soul. BG 2.23: Weapons cannot shred the soul, nor can fire burn it. Water cannot wet it, nor can the wind dry it. Soul is transcendental to mere matter. BG 2.24: The soul is unbreakable and incombustible; it can neither be dampened nor dried. It is everlasting, in all places, unalterable, immutable, and primordial.The transformation arises from the soul acting as a reagent , that's why even shudra's can achieve enlightenment in their lifetime .
>>23817966>And that reverts to my point about something beginningless being not a sufficient proof of reality if time is an illusionThe specific illusions don’t, but Maya has reality, illusions’ power generation do have and thus makes illusions always actual for their effects can’t cease following from the cause.>Buddhi cannot be individualIt cannot be individual in the sense you are now ascribing to it as the field for the play of illusions when the individuation is already an illusion. Unless you want to be sensible and return to calling it consciousness.>>23817980>because there is no reason why the Brahman-Atman has to be aware ofIt should be aware of what inheres in that as that itself, not as that which is not what that is, which would be mere abstraction. Brahman is ignoring its own power in its effects.
>>23817966>the capability or inner nature or inner drive which includes the ability and disposition to manifest illusion… and is never manifestedWhat is manifested is the illusions, yes and this in the same atemporal way as Brahman rests in its atemporal seclusion, the point is simple that there are two atemporal metaphysical contradictory principles that are Brahman himself and this realm of illusions.>in neither cases is there a real non-illusory thing with real existence as non-Brahman that is involvedThe consciousness upon which the illusions depend must either a) be different from Brahman, although coeternal with it due to its power or b) be Brahman itself and thus not being possible for it to have knowledge of itself without of its double contradictory attributes (its own essence and power and their effects).
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>>23817377>No, because Greek is far more suited to dactylic hexameter than Latin.Vergil turned that meter into his bitch
>>23817465if they accept the radio, they an accept the wonderful work done by philologists, it's not like hard vs soft /c/ has liturgical/theological implicationsbut in any case, the ecclesiastical is just a practical thing, it wasn't meant to aim at reconstructing phonology in the first place, even much of the early church fathers wouldn't have sounded ecclesiastical
>>23817465I assume they would stick with ecclesiastical since it's what the Church already uses (Latin use in the Church isn't TOTALLY dead...) and it's what most trads I've seen use. It also just sounds better.
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>>23817793try doing that yourself in Latin. You're not Vergil.
>re-read Notes a decade later>experience a much deeper and more critical understanding of Dostoyevsky's masterful satire of faggots like Chernyshevsky>realize he was not only mocking the younger me that related with it but was also depicting something of a horror story at the same timeIf you thought the narrator was 'based' or 'literally you' you completely missed the point of this book. It's only funny until you realize how tragic it is.
>>23814238>the whole educated worldand other thoughts dreamed by the deranged
>>23812408>If you thought the narrator was 'literally you' you completely missed the point of this book.Boy you are retarded.
>>23812408Very few (if any) people think he's "based". The people that relate to him hate themselves for it. On some level they might be addicted to living that way though.>>23812480I tried internalizing the hell out of the Zossima/Alyosha stuff, but it eventually petered out. I don't think their worldview is coherent if you aren't religious. It's not as if I don't want to live that way, I just can't feel it.
I just read it. What the hell was his problem?
You’re wrong and you clearly haven’t read The Double or Shatov’s defense of Slavophilism in Demons. Notes From the Underground is about irrationality motivating people, people’s motivations and actions not having intellectual substance but working according to the chaos of natural hierarchy and that’s how people revenge and dominate others or suck up to each other in healthy, comfortable, and ‘natural’ ways. The narrator doesn’t have a name or a family, he’s a disembodied intellect that doesn’t fundamentally understand what’s motivating the people around him like why his friends suck up to the rich kid and why they seem to actually like him because he finds it humiliating. He has nothing ‘natural’ but he’s still a ‘living organism’ so he constantly tries to assert and revenge himself in increasingly ridiculous ways that become more convoluted and estranged from everything. That’s the whole critique, that’s why he’s an anti-hero. The Double is about a man that actually tries to live according to his heart, see what happens to him. Shatov argues against communism and internationalism because he says that a country must believe in their own god fully and uncritically in order to become a dominating force and light in the world that leads everyone else, they have to have a natural and ‘irrational’ strength and full belief in themselves in order to become an assertive power that can actually lead people and people can look up to. People relate to him because they fundamentally don’t have anything or any connection to any country or people. And yeah if you mess around with drugs in that state it actually does start getting pretty scary because you start thinking even immediate physical space doesn’t mean anything to you and you start getting scared that the sky is about to collapse into you and the sun is just going to randomly crash into the earth. If you actually become that weakened the only thing left to is basically go into church and start crying and physically clinging to people.
>Poetry is for women and homos>Short stories are for ADHD zoomers>Plays are for queers>Biographies and autobiographies are for normiesWhy is the novel the only good form of literature?Why is the novel
>Metaphysical poems are for homos>>>/p/lebbit
>>23814820>novel>good form of literature
>>23814820Cute cat
>>23815273Literal meme started by guys like Napoleon that were embarrassed they liked Werther so much.
>>23814820You don't read. Stop pretending.
Why do female characters suck dick?
>>23817442Hookup. Aka one night stands
>>23815701all the things on the right is just gary-stu shit
>>23817433>If you sit on your ass crying about le mean ex-girlfriends you WILLbe shunned and will be stunted for life, most likelyThere are entire channels on Youtube dedicated to make fun of woman complaining about their ex's or shitty dates>>he must be a good man, provide 100k a year, be a good dad and also love me for me!!The only unreasonable thing here is earning 100k and even then, the sentiment is mostly valid given that they have to take care of a child
>>23817299but that's what women are on on a civilisational level?
I can never understand why retards insist on talking about differences between sexes while absolutely refusing to educate themselves about biology and evolution. You're all brainwashed communists.>socioeconomic reasonsfuck off
Who would you consider the Tom Waits of literature?
>>23813923What are his best songs?
>>23816374Yeah bro most of my posts are voice to text I even do the capture by voice to text she is so f****** cash
>>23816396Waits is very consistent, I think he hasn't made any genuinely bad album, so just pick up whatever sounds interesting to you and listen.
>>23813923prove me wrong
>>23816396His career is weird. He got progressively stranger the older he got. I happen to like it all. Except the most bizarre compositions some of those I can't get into. For my money the early years Volume 2 and Blood Money and Nighthawks at the Diner and Mule Variations are the ones you'll want to get a general idea of all his phases.
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>>23818118use your common sense if you must. we do (point of fact) know certain things to be true. re olive skin, brown eyes, brain hair, a certain facial structure, being mediterranean -- is that incorrect?
>>23818122always when the old one's getting good. some people are too excited post their bad OP image
>>23816498>>23816950>being evil is... LE BAD!!kill yourself moralfagging redditors
>>23817949I’m pretty much a NEET too since I work from home. I just rarely work. It’s been pretty bad for my health though.
What have you learned from Marcus Aurelius?
bump
>>23811509He is right. We torture ourselves mentally for no reason all the time.
>>23811509nothing.read stoic physics and you'll realize how retarded they were. everybody else like Aristotle was dunking on them constantly.
That my own peace of mind is one of the most important things I own and I shouldn't give it up for most things.
>>23814945There is no difference between your subconscious and your conscious. It's the thought that there is a difference that is hurting you. Once you realize the two are in essense one and the same you will be liberated
