So if I asked you about art, you’d probably give me the on about every art book ever written. Michelangelo. You know a lot about him. Life’s work. Political aspirations. Him and the Pope. Sexual orientation. The whole works, right? But I bet you can’t tell me what it smells like in the Sistine Chapel. You’ve never actually stood there and looked up at that beautiful ceiling. Seen that. If I ask you about women, you’d probably give me a syllabus of your personal favorites. You may have even been laid a few times. But you can’t tell me what it feels like to wake up next to a woman and feel truly happy. You’re a tough kid. If I ask you about war, you’d probably throw Shakespeare at me, right? ‘Once more into the breach, dear friends.’ But you’ve never been near one. You’ve never held your best friend’s head in your lap and watch him gasp his last breath, looking to you for help. If I ask you about love, you’d probably quote me a sonnet. But you’ve never looked at a woman and been totally vulnerable. Known someone who can level you with her eyes. Feel like God put an angel on earth just for you. Who could rescue you from the depths of Hell. And you wouldn’t know what it’s like to be her angel. To have that love for her be there forever. Through anything. Through cancer. And you wouldn’t know about sleeping, sitting up in a hospital room for two months, holding her hand because the doctors could see in your eyes that the terms ‘visiting hours’ don’t apply to you. You don’t know about real loss. Because that only occurs when you love something more than you love yourself. I doubt you’ve ever dared to love anybody that much. I look at you, I don’t see an intelligent, confident man. I see a cocky, scared-shitless kid. But you’re a genius, anon. No one denies that. No one could possibly understand the depths of you. But you presume to know everything about me because you saw a painting of mine. You ripped my fuckin’ life apart. You’re an orphan, right? Do you think I’d know the first thing about how hard your life has been, how you feel, who you are because I read Oliver Twist? Does that encapsulate you? Personally, I don’t give a shit about all that. Because you know what? I can’t learn anything from you that I can’t read in some fuckin’ book. Unless you want to talk about you. Who you are. And I’m fascinated. I’m in. But you don’t want to do that, do you, sport? You’re terrified of what you might say. Your move, chief.
>alright here's my idea for a movie>so i star as the most handsome, intelligent and educated, smartest, bestest most epic person who ever lived >I effortlessly btfo everyone and always have a quip ready but sometimes I get into fights so I'm a bad boy >but one time one character kind of pushes back on me so it's balanced
If you're still on 4chan in 20 years, I'll fucking kill ya.
>>25423759The Williams character is a piece of shit because he is tacitly humblebragging to his subject that he himself actually has had a grand tour of Europe and actually has seen some of that stuff in person. It's a lame piece of writing when you really think about it.Obviously, the point is to prod the intelligent, resistant patient and get him to open up by any means necessary, but the subterfuge is still ultimately disgusting, because it's directed toward a patient who obviously hasn't had direct access to any of that stuff. The ends (he matures, actually goes after the weird looking girl etc) do not justify these means. It really would have been better for all involved if he had remained obstinate, stayed on the job site for years and ultimately been killed by his friend for refusing his potential, as promised.There's some interesting things in the movie, and the writers made the character just relatable enough to hit, but it's all very silly, objectively. Their awkward version of a smart guy with problems, but not relatable enough.
>oh my science you can't just experience art
>>25423759>Have you smelled the Sistine Chapel? Have you held your best friend's head in your lap and watch him gasp his last breath?>Have you?
I thought of Elric of Melnibonee today, well actually more about the Aenar Targaryen being an abolitionist and choosing to destroy Valyria to end slavery ones and for all, like Thaedus from Invincible, but Elric was the first such character.And it really dawned on me, these people might actually really believe that, maybe George R.R. Martin not as much despite what people would say about him being a hippie(he seems pretty split between woke, classic sfnf and a real appreciation for European history and myth) and Kirkman just makes a synthesis between Thaedus and Thragg and is a hack, but Moor Cock certainly did, and many people of his time, and even more today seem to really believe this.Just think about this for 10 minutes, really think deeply about destroying your entire civilization and believing it to be a better choice over continuing slavery, that means that the idea of slavery, or rather the care for the enslaved people overpowers the love for your own men.After this thought, the conclusion should be that these people are imbeciles, no matter how much they read or achieve in life, they go against their own interests, "the psyche overpowered the genes" it sounds romantic, defeating your biological imperative, until you realize the majority of these woke people are lumpenproles and not some intellectual giants like Marx and Lenin, these aren't their own thoughts, and kin selection is a fragile thing in our modern world since it relies both on an immediate instinct but also this instinct creates a greater cultural shield on top of a closely knit group.Thus we are fucked, since it gets worse day by day.>tl;dr: idk why i wrote all these, basically just think about how many people would choose a group of strangers, not like some gang from the other village, but a group they have absolutely nothing in common with, zero, void, over their own families, and let the horror dawn on you, feel inexplicable fear and panic while thinking somebody feels that way, concentrate on such a thought and how such people bring not only nothing to society, but they take from it and make cracks
is this a copypasta or something? reads like a barely-coherent stream of thought from the middle of a long conversation. you also need to use a lot more periods
>>25423698abuhbuhbuhbu, maybe ill use periods and commas, or maybe i wont, periods likely not, commas maybe ill correct it and post it in some weeks, i didnt wnat to proof read it after writingbesides majority of threads on this website are one phrase or dumb question meant to rage bait you, wish i could condense a text faster, but its not worth it if it dies with 3 replies, plus if its too condensed is as bad as stream of consciousnessness, so thats what i guess im doomed to post
Book to understand Logic and/or MetaLogic?
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>>25423620Probably the only good answer
>>25423562>Logic Lectures: Gödel's Basic Logic Course at Notre Dame (1939) https://arxiv.org/abs/1705.02601>Elementary Logic, by Willard Van Orman Quine (1940)>Introduction to Logic and to the Methodology of Deductive Sciences, by Alfred Tarski (1941)>Logic: A Very Short Introduction, by Graham Priest (2017)https://iep.utm.edu/https://plato.stanford.edu/index.htmlhttps://proofwiki.org/wiki/Category:Logichttps://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/HomePage
I don’t read.
>>25422032based audiobook enjoyer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91gT68xeDMM
>>25422041/lit/ the board that is less literate than /v/
>>25422038No but libs keep projecting that onto me.
Judging from the posts I read here, 99% of you people don't read and are retarded
Under the greenwood treeWho loves to lie with me,And turn his merry noteUnto the sweet bird's throat,Come hither, come hither, come hither: Here shall he see No enemyBut winter and rough weather.Who doth ambition shunAnd loves to live i' the sun,Seeking the food he eats,And pleased with what he gets,Come hither, come hither, come hither: Here shall he seeComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>25421838https://youtu.be/6_qz26I88mw?t=2652https://youtu.be/8yOhKvUtF3c?t=2555https://youtu.be/iwltp73DmwE?t=2463https://youtu.be/JD0iE-vMRBE?t=918https://youtu.be/nkkhcbFeI5U?t=1There are some RSC productions that slightly alter the lyricshttps://youtu.be/UUvbCDJAsPwhttps://youtu.be/jnQGPlZlKiE
>>25421949other performanceshttps://youtu.be/kRFOnWOqT9Yhttps://youtu.be/xFwXp71qysYhttps://youtu.be/rNZD01L3uyEhttps://youtu.be/qvj_gxAIAPchttps://youtu.be/MAjCsFn58oQhttps://youtu.be/ivQlGGKFCQ0
Near Mugi I sitAwaiting my delicious strawberryForsooth, woe upon meMy strawberry has been pilfered
>>25421824this is like firefly by owl city but better
>>25421824>come hitler
What are some books on mystic chudist metaphysics? Incel dialetics and phenomenology of moid also welcome.
>>25423112a board can only survive so many live suicides
>>25423141i only remember the one of that kid who od'd in florida lol i remember the ny post had a big two page spread of like his final chat or something that i read over some guy's shoulder on the train lol were there more? lmao
>>25423085I concede that I know little of this Jorjani man, but looking at what he supports and what you just told me, wouldn't he support a type of "return" to an Will to Power Mysticist age utilizing technology? He has some likes to the UFO's/UAP's which had immediately led me to think he is some form of an American Nick Land, but not so much knowledgeable on the Phenomenonologists. Due enlighten me somewhat.
>>25423108My favorite Gurdjieff anecdote is when he needed to take a trip in his car at night and had a headlight out so he asked one of his followers to sit on the hood of the car with a flashlight and mercilessly berated him when he agreed to do it.
>>25423186LOL. I either never heard of this, or (maybe more likely) heard of it at one point but forgot about it. I used to be pretty obsessed with Gurdjieff, and devoured both his own books, and massive amounts of supplementary literature on him, including from many direct students of his and people around him writing books on him, for several years.Fritz Peters’s “Boyhood With Gurdjieff”/“Gurdjieff Remembered” is probably one of the best, most entertaining, easier and funniest books for the more simply human side of Gurdjieff with stories like that, more of a memoir than esoteric philosophizing. From Peters being a kid who stayed with Gurdjieff at Fontainebleau under his legal guardians who also wanted to study under Gurdjieff.I like the one where an older Gurdjieff was at a restaurant in America and telepathically sexually stimulated some female student of his, it’s implied to the point of orgasm. The account I read had it that she had just been being skeptical about him or gossiping about him, but I can’t find that exact one, here’s the one if found:>One interesting anecdote from 1933 suggests that Gurdjieff had gained proficiency in a practice associated with left-hand path sorcery, and indicates something of his libidinous reputation. At a party, Gurdjieff turned his gaze – frequently described as hypnotic – on his American pupil, the novelist Zona Gale, who was seated with a companion. They observed the notorious magus inhaling and exhaling in what seemed a deliberate, methodical manner. Gale blanched, stiffened, and upon resuming her composure reported (in the terminology of the Work) that Gurdjieff's peculiar attentions had "struck her right through her sexual center". The Sly Man had supposedly bestowed a remote control orgasm upon her through his magical powers. Even though such tales must be taken with a grain of salt, they form an ineradicable part of Gurdjieff's legend.It sounds ridiculous, but there’s like some dozens of separate people, even over different years and decades, who in some cases either didn’t or hardly interacted with each other at all, independently giving accounts of Gurdjieff outright doing, well, magic; having supernatural capabilities he displayed to them or on them, such as telepathy, telekinetically working on them from a distance, mind-reading, healing, and more. Well, if anyone’s as much of a schizo as I am and wants to hear, I outright believe Gurdjieff was an extraordinarily developed human being, who developed some of what the Easterners call siddhis, or psychic powers from meditation and spiritual advancement; but was somewhat morally “gray” at times, in how he manifested them, including just for what seemed like the sake of experimentation, or for his own entertainment, or aggrandizement. A rogue spiritual master, essentially.
Are the modern theories that the Odyssey is a story about PTSD and generational trauma caused by the war accurate? The Odyssey is essentially the first anti-war novel>Odysseus's violent actions on Ithaca, particularly his slaughter of the suitors, can be interpreted as manifestations of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).
>>25421523Yeah but they weren't calling it that. They described it like how they described it. Stop trying to force our ideas on them, just say it was analogous and here's why that's interesting.
>>25421523PTSD is a modern meme.
>>25421523>Are the modern theories that the Odyssey is a story about PTSD and generational trauma caused by the war accurate?No, it's basically about navigating life as a man and how absolutely fucking dreadful most women are, and the lengths to which a man will go to find a true and proper wife and love
>>25421551And what makes you say that?
>>25421523PTSD wasn't a thing back.
Do you think the Nobel prize in Literature is a good indicator of writing quality? Do you ever read the books from Nobel prize winners or those who get a Nebula or Hugo award?
>>25422904Occupy wall street clampdown by vastly bolstering and accelerating identity politics.
>>25422288>he thinks no ones gonna notice him skipping Eliot
>>25422288Sienkiewicz is dogshit
>>25422962Yeah, there were like 2 to 3 names I skipped, becouse I recognized them but wasn't sure if I just wasn't misremembering shit. I also skipped all the linguists and philosophers (Bertrand Russel, Sartre etc.). Is Eliot the american guy? I googled the names afterwards and the american guy who wrote in like 1920s sounded cool.
>>25422960occupy was a nothing burger that self-imploded like all "democratic" movements where women are allowed to speak
Male MC EditionStubbed >>25403795>What is /wng/ — Web Novel General?A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more>Why read web novels?Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.>Why write web novels?Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.>Advice for Noobs!Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
What are the main academy stories? I'm thinking of scoping out the competition.
>>25424860Practical Guide to Sorcery.Mother of Learning.And, maybe... Good Student?...I can't think of anything else.There's Mark of the Fool but that thing never captured me.
>>25419235>>25419231>>25419178I made the original complaint. I did it because I finished reading that chapter and was annoyed by it. I've seen people complain in the past that nobody talks about what they read in these threads, so I've been doing that occasionally.
>>25424874Maybe like the first third or less of MoL is academy-centric. I'm gonna shill Saving the school as the best pure academy wn I've read
>>25424991>>25424991>>25424991New thread
Is reading random pages instead of the start of the book a good tactic to get active on reading again? Worked for me with the Bible last time.
No. If it worked for you once already don't do it again.
>>25423566You know you’ve hit unc status when the kid from the Fortnite song is probably in college now.
Whose side are you on?
>>25422744bizzump
He's surely one of the greatest authors of the 20th century. Why doesn't he make any /lit/ top 100 charts?
>>25422247Carle's artwork is uglythere I said it
>>25418331well he writes books for very young children. did you not know that? feels like you should be aware of that fact at minimum
>>25423441Not really. The art of making up nonsense words to pad out rhymes in light fantasy stories was already well-trodden ground by the time Seuss started writing. Edward Lear and Lewis Carrol were the originals here.
>>25423468lol oh yeah? is that how it works? somebody does something first, so all other artists decades or centuries later should not even bother trying to have their own take on it, to expand the medium, to even improve on it?it's not surprising this board has bad book takes, but the amount of ignorance over art in general is really startling at times
>>25423490At no point did I say or imply that he did something wrong or bad. I'm only pointing out that he isn't "highly original," which very few writers ever were.
Previous: >>25321074https://warosu.org/lit/thread/25321074~Itinerary~• Friday, July 3rd, 10:00 AM GMT>Character & theme requirements revealed—start writing!• Monday, July 6th, 11:59 PM GMT>Submission deadline. Voting and critique begin.• Friday, July 10th, 10:00 AM GMT>Voting ends and winners crowned. Critique persists with thread.~Rules~WritingComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>25418148Thanks for the recs dude. I remember there also being some cool ones last year.There was one kind of like green text onr where some japanese guy is paid to shitpost about his exgf, ring any bells?
>>25420402>There was one kind of like green text onr where some japanese guy is paid to shitpost about his exgf, ring any bells?Sorry, doesn’t spring to mind. Maybe give your best guess for what time of year you read it?I did find two stories that at least use Japan as their setting:>son of hermes, Aug 2025https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24600485#p24610073>ChineseDracula, Feb 2025https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24152404#p24157698
>>25421919Thanks for looking, I'm garbage at the archive. Maybe the main charactr was Korean or Chines? Very short sentences when he is posting disinfo like sabotaging news items. Then his ex gf becomes the target he has to attack and he refuses so his laptop blows up and he goes to look at the sea. Something like that Im not remembring very well
>no feedback in /wibac/Tough crowd
>>25420402I stopped checking out these threads for a long while after this month's >>25418213 competition until only somewhat recently so I don't recall that one, sorry.>>25419993>>25420256Thanks for such a detailed critique. I think this in particular>do you see how you have a habit of putting your effects before their causes?is something I probably would've never noticed unless pointed out, so I really appreciate it.
Which nation has produced the greatest philosophers?In my opinion, the first place goes to Britain.The second and third places are some combination of Germany and France.Fourth place is Greece.Fifth is probably America.
>>25419570interesting... have to look that up
>>25416707If we're talking about the working class then yes 100% that is true but if we are talking about the people who actually wrote philosophy historically then lets be real, they are all related. Perhaps moreso than a southern Englishman and a northern Englishman
>>25416401britain is... an idea.
>>25416263> As for the other German "Philosophers" Fichte, Schopenhauer, Hegel, Nietzsche, Husserl, Heidegger, and even Adorno, none of them actually manage to go beyond Kant. At their best they merely distill Kant's insights, at worst they completely misunderstand Kant and revert to a more convoluted form of pre-Kantianism.This anon is correct. Heidegger is just Kant minus immortality. Husserl is case by case Kant. Adorno is a Marxist Kant. Nietzsche and Schoppie are just blackpilled Kant, Kant minus freedom. Fichte is literally just Kant. Schelling and Hegel are pre-Kantians inspired by Kant. I’m not even trolling, Kant is the OG of continental philosophy and it’s hard to escape him because he was so on point.
Greeks > Latins > Islamics > Jews > modernite sophistryThat's the definitive list for the Western tradition. Most of the best "Greeks" are from modern Egypt, Turkey, and the Levant though.
he hasn't started
>>25417697>samefagging new fagebin DDDD
He doesn't outline.
Give the guy a break. He made the mistake of allowing Benioff and Weiss get their hands on the series to complete it for television and watched them shit it out. -- Dude's still in shock.
>>25417654How does this make you feel?
>>25423262At this point my fondest hope is that his death is particularly embarrassing. Like he chokes on a chicken bone at KFC or something. I hope he heavily sharts himself when he finally passes, too.
