>>24124518
Wagner already explained world history as a continual degression from its paradisiacal beginning most closely preserved among the Hindus. There's no reason to read Guenon when Wagner exists.

>/lit/ still locked in its pre-2016 Guenon phase
I'm done with this site.

>>24124525
What is /lit/'s 2025 phase?

Yeah atheist bugs deeply believe int eh freemasonic world, perennialism included. The bugs literally cannot escape the judeo-masonic framework concocted by their masters.

>>24124520
There no reason to read any bourgeois, let alone a german one.

>>24124540
Mine is reading Diary/Scholastic books. Currently I am reading Patterson's Middle School series.

>>24124547
Guenon is a bourgeois.

>>24124540
Discord voice chat Hogg group gooning sessions.

>>24124540
Lyotard posting

>>24124518
I have an aversion to French "people" aside from a token few

>>24124671
link?

>>24124525
You guys pretend to hate Guenon until you have to sift through yet another post-2020 atheistic nihilism thread.

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>>24124518
Why the long face?

>>24124518
PBUH

>>24124518
anon you forgot to post this in the gorilla thread this goofy monkey looking ahh man

>>24124520
> There's no reason to read Guenon when Wagner exists.
Unlike Wagner, Guenon writes at length about eastern metaphysics and symbolism.

>>24124525
Guenon aeternum est.

>>24124518
>Kali Yuga ends in 2030/2031
Trump winning was all part of the plan, he will set the stage for a national, and through that a global rejuvenation.

>>24124525
yeah imagine people talking about literature what a failed board (kys)

>>24125167
I don't think you know what the end of the Kali Yuga and this the end of the manvatara as a whole entails.

>>24124518
This doesn't help my balding any. How do we double check this to make sure all solstices are accounted for and whether they are using Persian or Greek starting points?

>>24125909
>I don't think you know what the end of the Kali Yuga and this the end of the manvatara as a whole entails.
I do, it restarts at the beginning of the cycle in the next immediate Yuga, the planet is not destroyed or whatever, that only happens during a mahapralaya which have intervals of billions of years and not the shorter scale of the Yugas.

>inb4 some Puranic quote about Kalki coming and killing everyone
The Puranas are not revealed Shruti and shouldn’t not be treated as infallible sources of truth. They are inspired literature that often contains true spiritual teachings but intermixed with much superstition, ritual and mutually conflicting diety backstories.

More like GAYnon

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>>24125982
>Puranic quote about Kalki coming and killing everyone

Even though I agree with Guénon's chapter "The Deceptiveness of 'Prophecies'" from Reign of Quantity, there is still some symbological connections between the Apocalyptic Redeemer of Eastern & Western traditions.

Both Hindu Kalki and the "Doomsday" Jesus are said to ride on a white horse. According to Guénon in Symbols of Sacred Science that the Horse represents the Sun or Agni, and hence is a solar symbol. He also makes reference to the passage from Revelation 19:14-15:
>And the armies that are in heaven followed him [Christ] on white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goes a sharp two-edged sword, that with it, he may strike the nations.

Similarly, according to the Puranas, Kalki, the final avatar, will also come riding on a white horse at the end of the Kali Yuga, wielding a sword, to punish the nations.

In 'King of the World', Guénon also points out the similarities between the representation of the Lamb on the book sealed by seven seals mentioned in the Apocalypse and the fact that Tibetan lamaism also possesses seven mysterious seals, adding that "we doubt if this connection is purely accidental".

Obviously things get pretty confusing when 'Shamballa', Rudra Chakravartin, Buddhist apocalypse and Islamic eschatology gets thrown into mix. From the viewpoint of Guénon, it is clear that the "End" for Atlantean traditions (all Abrahamic traditons having their beginning in the Atlantean). Perhaps brought by the 'Hyperborean' Apollo?

The eschatological perspective cannot be ignored either: in the Book of Revelation, Apocalypse 9:11 we read:
>“And they had for king over them the angel of the abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek Apollon». The very etymology of Apollo suggests the meaning of "He who totally destroys".

Apollo as the bringer the universal conflagration with fire (ekpyrosis), will eventually lead the cosmic manifestation to its original source, which is the Source of Pure Being (the Sat-Vedic): thus Saturn will return as King. The "destroyer" Apollo is in this sense homologous to the Kalki of the Hindus, the last Avatar of Visnhu who will come to end Kalpa by wielding a sword on a white horse, or to the Maitreya Buddha of the Orientals. The Norse Ragnarokkr would occur with the fire, carried by Surtr the Ice-Giant

Surtr is in fact, in the Nordic tradition, the spark of fire primordial Being who, once trapped by the advance of cosmic ice (i.e. from the flow of becoming which, by means of the demiurgic creation, freezes the forms) it awaits the turning of the ages in order to free itself and return to its original state, mirroring Saturn / Kronos exiled on the Island of the Immortals, as well as the eastern Avatara who will finally arrive, when the stars return to the right place, to put an end to the Cosmic Manifestation...

never liked his mustache

>>24124525
Tradition in its very essence is timeless, cannot be "phased out" or replaced by another "trend". It will only become more relevant as everything unfolds.
>>24125167
Wrong.
>The looming One World Government shows many signs of being the predicted regime of Antichrist. But as I have already pointed out, it’s not quite that simple, since the “tribal” forces reacting against globalism are ultimately part of the same system. According to one of many possible scenarios, the satanic forces operating at the end of the Aeon would be quite capable of establishing a One World Government only to set the stage for the emergence of Antichrist as the great leader of a world revolution against this government, which, if it triumphed, would be the real One World Government. Or the martyrdom of Antichrist at the hands of such a government might be a deliberate or even staged self-sacrifice, counterfeiting the death of Christ and leading to a counterfeit resurrection. I am not saying that this will happen; I am not prognosticating. I only wish to point out that Antichrist, as a counterfeit manifestation of the Divine universality, will have the capacity to use all sides in any conflict, including a global one, to build his power—except the ultimate Messianic Conflict, called Armageddon in the Apocalypse, which is initiated and concluded by God Himself.

>>24124518
What a dweeb

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(cont)

Some of my own observations regarding some aspects of this symbolism. I must admit that my knowledge of Hinduism is very 'basic' and mostly from the works of Guénon. I haven't seen others speculate on this, but in my opinion, the Kalki incarnation will be in Hinduism similar to the double figure known as Harihara

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harihara

According to Upton in his article Atlantis and Hyperborea:
>Kalki’s “heraldic” colors, will be Red and White

And Guénon also speculates these colors if I remember correctly symbolism meaning that he is a warrior and also a priest (Guénon associates this aspect with White symbolizing Priesthood caste and Red symbolizing Warfare/Warrior caste)

It is also interesting to note that while Shiva in this picture form of Harihara is displayed by blue skin, Shiva is in his Destructive aspect known as Hara (Hara means Destroyer in Sanskrit) and when he is the "Red One", Shiva is known as Rudra and even the word Rudra (of which Hara is originally a name of) shares certain etymological considerations with the color Red. In the Rig Veda, Lord Shiva is referred as Rudra and this is believed to be the earliest written record on Lord Shiva. An alternative etymology suggested by Prof. Pischel interprets Rudra as the 'red one', the 'brilliant one', possibly derived from a lost root rud-, 'red'

Again, this is just my own symbological speculation, but this Harihara figures as Vishnu the Preserver and Shiva the Destroyer is also the ebodiment of Kalki as Shankaranarayana / Brahmanarayana

Also in the Kālacakra Tantra, the Hero King of Shambhala, Rudra Cakri (Wrathful Chakra-Holder), Conqueror of Barbarians is predicted to be Rudra Cakrī ( drag po ‘khor lo can) that is Sanskrit for the ‘Wrathful Wheel-holder’, the final 25th Kalki King, of the hidden and sacred land of Shambhala. Certainly related to the 'Fierce' >>24126097 or even one sense 'Infernal' aspect of Hyperborean Apollo becoming the Angel of the Abyss or Apollon, the Destroyer (Compare the Sanskrit word "Siva" as the auspicious, benign, kind, benevolent to his form of Rudra/Hara that can be interpreted as 'the most severe roarer/howler' or 'the most frightening one'.)

>>24126097
>>24126266

Despite the devious machinations of the modern mind and the sciences; never before or since has a birth control, so potent in it‘s totality of anti-fecundity, thus been contrived as what‘s displayed here.

>>24124518
>Everything in the world is unfolding in an eschatological way right now.
No.
It's just sick Freemasons and Jews that engineer such eschatological narratives, largely to serve as distractions to how our lives are becoming more disposable (now an even bigger issue with automation).

>>24124518
French writers are literally never right about anything. It's remarkable how they get any traction when they uniformly spout nonsense.

>>24124520
In what text does Wagner explain this?

>>24126473
>French writers are literally never right about anyth-ACK!!!
Guénon, Baudrillard, Le Bon, Houellebecq, Céline, Debord, de Maistre and de Gobineau were all right

>>24126535
based

>>24124518
Does he have anything that addresses how Indian society could have turned out the way that it has? It’s shameful, and seeing how he held it in such high regard temps me to just toss his work.

>>24127518
India had decades of leftist and communist leaning in power. The ones educated in the west. He talked personnaly about westerned individual and the westernisation of the east once-traditional civilisations.
He also talked about how he didn't really care to live in a traditional culture of which he talked in his books, discarding the idea it would help him to understand the traditional form better (he was of course more theoratical and less concerned about the masses and their possible accidental evolutions and caracteristic. And in fact he was opposed in principle to the idea of judging by the masses, the lower, the atomic or what would appear as accidental for a metaphysician.

>>24128090
*theoretical
Sorry for all the typos

>>24124520
>Wagner already explained world history as a continual degression from its paradisiacal beginning most closely preserved among the Hindus.
All traditions explain it like this. That's one of the first point of "crisis of the modern world", the usual introductory book to Guénon. So you can guess there is more than that.

>>24124518
Never read him but I've heard he wrote about Agartha, can I get a qrd?

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Guénon writes in 'King of the World' that deals with it:
>Ferdinand Ossendowski wrote of a thrilling journey made across central Asia in 1920 and 1921 , using descriptions that tally, especially in the latter part of the book, almost identically with those of Saint-Yves. The keen interest aroused by this book has provided a favourable opportunity at last to break the silence on the question of Agarttha...

Guénon was waiting for an external reason to break the silence on the question of Agarttha. According to some, Guénon had neither not the opportunity, nor the "permission" to do so. Some say that in writing that book Guénon upset some of his "special contacts" and they in a way, reduced their interactions with him. [Jean Reyor writes of this in his letters to Jean Saunier].

The concept and the subject of 'Agartha' is extremely obscure. Especially the name really doesn't mean anything, except perhaps in the 'Vattan language'.

My own interpreation is that maybe it is related to the Nepali word Akathā (अकथा):—n. anti-story;
https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/akatha

Meaning this in a sense that anti-story is a "work of fiction in which the author breaks in some way the conventional rules of storytelling".

Certainly related to concepts of the undeground story of Vril: The Power of the Coming Race by Edward Bulwer-Lytton and 'Shamballa' etc. Some criticize this Guénon book for being "anti-historical" or "anti-academic" considering it uses dubious sources. But all in all, Agartha is a book about the hidden subterranean initiatic kingdom, that were highly imaginative. That perhaps is "hidden" in a sense of The Supreme Centre that is concealed during the Kali-Yuga that will once again Appear by the End of the Cycle as a sort of manifestation of the 'Heavenly Jerusalem' in terms of Western symbolism.

>>24124540
Vivek Ramaswamy

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>>24124520
Quite a revealing move from the wagner shitposter

bump

>>24126198
It is worth mentioning that said article was published in May of 2020, and from this it shows a great influence from the Covid Mania of that time. I am inclined to say this is why he mentions "The looming One World Government", as this was written during the time of lockdowns and such.
Regarding Trump, while he is flawed in many ways he may very well be the one who starts a wave of destruction agaisnt the satanic qualities of Modernity. Whether he or someone who comes after him, I do not know, but considering the American Left's behaviour of blatently inverting every single value, why would you ever consider Trump to be the satanic one?

>>24124518
Everything is eschatological to everyone, because we all die eventually.

>>24126535
>[the eight most wrongest people ever] were all right

>>24134129
let me guess, you hate Nietzsche? anyway, how was Baudrillard wrong?

>>24134129
cope

>>24134129
>de Maistre
>wrong
lmaoing

>>24134129
Show us your eight

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>>24127518
Remember that the entirety of written human history occurred within the Kali Yuga, therefore we can say all cultures in the world have fallen from the Primordial state, but to varying degrees.
>>24132937
>that said article was published in May of 2020
No, the passages in the article were excerpted from the book Legends of the End, which was published in 2004.

>why would you ever consider Trump to be the satanic one?
>The Apocalypse contains one fascinating episode which I’ve never heard anyone comment upon. Rev. 17: 16–17 reads as follows:
>And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat of her flesh, and burn her with fire.
>For God hath put it into their hearts to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdoms unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
>On the face of it, this seems to say that the Antichrist himself, or the ten horns upon his head, who are his servants the ten kings, will destroy the Whore of Babylon. First the Whore is seen riding on the beast (Rev. 17:3); but then the ten kings slay her, after which—according to God’s will—they turn their kingdoms over to the beast. What are we to make of this?
>Perhaps it refers to a time of luxury and over-indulgence which gives way to a time of harshness, and which seems by its very degeneracy to justify that harshness, as the decadence of the Weimar Republic lent credibility to Hitler’s draconian measures. It may also picture a unified world economy whose breakup, due to internal contradictions, resurgent nationalism or other factors, ushers in the reign of Antichrist, who alone seems capable of restoring order.

I mean, just look at what Trump said about a bishop who called for mercy for the vulnerable, also the interesting "head wound" of the July assassination, also his foreign policy.
The signs are obvious, aren't they?

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>>24124540
GI Gurdjieff

When the practices taught by the Vedas and the institutes of the law shall have ceased, and the close of the Kali age shall be nigh, a portion of that divine being who exists of his own spiritual nature in the character of Brahma, and who is the beginning and end, and who comprehends all things, shall descend upon earth: he will be born in the family of Vishnuyasas, an eminent Brahman of Shambhala village, as Kalki, endowed with the eight superhuman faculties. By his superhuman might he shall destroy all the Mlechchas [foreign barbarians] and thieves, and all whose minds are devoted to iniquity. He will then re-establish righteousness on earth; and the minds of those who live at the end of the Kali age shall be pellucid as crystal. The men who are thus changed by virtue of that particular time shall be as the seed of human beings, and shall give birth to a race who shall follow the laws of the Krita age, or age of purity [another name for the Satya-yuga].

Martin Lings, in The Eleventh Hour, identifies Kalki with both Maitreya Buddha and the Christ:
Like Christianity, [Hinduism] depends on the Avatara, that is, the descent of Divinity into this world; and for the maintenance of the tradition there is a succession of no less than ten Avataras. As far as historic times are concerned, the seventh and eighth of these, Rama and Krishna, are the most important for Hinduism itself. The ninth, specifically non-Hindu (literally ‘foreign’) is generally considered to be the Buddha; and the tenth, Kalki, ‘the rider on the white horse’, will have the universal function of closing this cycle of time and inaugurating the next, which identified his descent with the second advent of Christ.

>>24136255
If that bishop had stopped at urging him to be mindful and have mercy on the vulnerable, I would agree. Yet she talked of protecting homosexuals, transexuals, and the like. This is more satanic than anything else, in that she is promoting literal inversions of all that is good.
Besides this, if you really want to see one who is closer to the anti-christ, the "anti-tradition", look at Musk. He really seems to be such a character, with his
>absolute materialism
>transhumanism
>conquering mortality
>inclination to a certain Austrian man's cult
All the while wearing the guise of a conservative. I would further argue that Trump is not very cognizant of this, as he is old and his mental capacity is not what it once was. What may happen is that when Trump passes, perhaps in 4-6 years (2030-2031), the MAGA group will have no leader and Musk, having infiltrated it, can thus take the rein and use it for his satanic philosophy.

my bowels are unfurling in e scatological way right now

>>24136297
a god among men, don't post about him

I became a 32nd degree freemason because of guenon

>>24136316
>The ninth, specifically non-Hindu (literally ‘foreign’) is generally considered to be the Buddha
Guenon talks about how Christ, Buddha, and Muhammad were all the 9th avatar, a foreign avatar who brought wisdom to the West, Far East, and Middle East. This avatar corresponds to the Mercury, and the following 10th avatar is the Solar Christ.

>>24137985
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1JeRVGUwNM

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>>24137985
Guénon writes in that article (Hermes by René Guénon):

>If Hindu doctrine considers the Buddha as being the ninth avatâra of Vishnu, that is the Mleccha (foreign) avatâra, this does not necessarily exclude other divine interventions which have taken place on behalf of "foreign" (non-Hindu) peoples during this same period. In particular, Christ might even be said to share with the Buddha the ninth avataric function, since his first coming was, for the West, what the advent of the Buddha was for the Far East (and what the Qoranic "descent" was for the "middle" region). Now as we have seen in connection with the Buddha, the ninth avatâra is a "Mercurial" manifestation. It would seem then that the two comings of Christ may be related to his "Mercurial" and "Solar" aspects, the Solar Christ being Christ Glorious, that is, the tenth or Kalki avatâra, who is to come at the end of the cycle, the `white horse' of this final descent being a Solar symbol par excellence. As to the first coming of Christ, it may be mentioned that the month of May takes its name from Mercury's mother, Maia, who is said to be one of the Pleiads and to whom that month was consecrated in ancient times ; and in Christianity it has become "the month of Mary," by an assimilation which is doubtless not merely phonetic, between Maria and Maia.

It is interesting that Guénon also equates the correspondence with Maia and Mary, even Aleister Crowley wrote of Christ's function as Mercury and makes the same observation:

>In the Beginning was the Word, the Logos, who is Mercury; and is therefore to be identified with Christ. Both are messengers; their birth mysteries are similar; the pranks of their childhood are similar. In the Vision of the Universal Mercury, Hermes is seen descending upon the sea, which refers to Mary. [The path of Beth on the Tree of Life shows him descending from Kether, the Crown, upon Binah, the Great Sea.] The Crucifixion represents the Caduceus; the two thieves, the two serpents; the cliff in the vision of the Universal Mercury is Golgotha; Maria is simply Maia with the solar R in her womb. The controversy about Christ between the Synoptics and John was really a contention between the priests of Bacchus, Sol, and Osiris; also, perhaps, of Adonis and Attis on the one hand, and those of Hermes on the other, at that period when initiates all over the world found it necessary, owing to the growth of the Roman Empire and the opening up of means of communication, to replace conflicting Polytheisms by a synthetic Faith.

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>>24138047
(cont)

Perhaps interesting in this connection of the considerations related to the "Solar Citadel" and "New Jerusalem" (That is a Cube) mentioned in that Guénon's article is also worth to mention the symbolism of The Cube of Cephas. The name Cephas was not chosen at random for, by gamatria, it amounts to 729, and represents the CUBIC foundation stone facing. This number was most important to Plato, and the Pythagoreans; not only is it a Cube (9 X 9 X 9), but it is also a Square (27 X 27), and is associated with the Solar year

In earlier Greek gematria, 729 is also the number of DELPHINION , a temple of Apollo Delphinios. Interestingly, Plutarch, a priest of Apollo at Delphi, notes that 729 is a number of the Sun in one of his Pythagorean essays

In the same way that Apollo possessed his omphalos stone at Delphi, it was imperative that the New Song of the Solar Logos be built upon an appropriate foundation. Thus in the words of Jesus, 'I say unto thee, thou art Peter, and upon this rock (petra) I will build my Church.' The Greek word Peter is literally (petros) rock, and elsewhere Jesus gives Simon the name of 'Cephas' , based on the Aramaic word for rock: 'Thou art Simon, the son of John, thou shalt be called Cephas (which is interpreted Peter)."

In the Magic Square of 729 the central and centermost square contains the number 365 that is the Solar number and approximation of the Solar Year. Taking the letters of the Greek word "Meithras" at their numerical value, we obtain the number 365, the days of the year. We obviously cannot ignore the etymological connections between the Buddhist Literature where Buddha Maitreya is depicted as Kalki and the connections it shares etymologically:

>Both Vedic Mitra and Avestan Mithra derive from an Indo-Iranian common noun *mitra-,
>Due to their similar names, some modern scholars like Przyluski, Lamotte and Levi have speculated that inspiration for Maitreya may have come from ancient Indo-Iranian deities like Mithra and the future Zoroastrian savior figure

Aleister Crowley also claimed that the word Baphomet is a corruption of the word Baphometr. Spelled this way Cabalistically, adding Solar 'R' to the name of Baphomet in Hebrew, the name totals 729 in Hebrew Gematria:
>I added up the word as spelt ... It totalled 729. This number had never appeared in my Cabbalistic working and therefore meant nothing to me. It however justified itself as being the cube of nine. The word κηφας, the mystic title given by Christ to Peter as the cornerstone of the Church, has this same value. Baphomet was Father Mithras, the cubical stone which was the corner of the Temple.
>Baphometr = באועמיתר = 729

Crowley was adamant that the correct spelling must contain 8 letters as to connect it to Mercury. Mercury corresponds to the 8th Sephirah on the Tree of Life as also the Greek spelling of Jesus (Ιησουϛ) enumerates to 888, a numerical symbol of the Christ/Redeemer.

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>>24136316
>a portion of that divine being who exists of his own spiritual nature in the character of Brahma, and who is the beginning and end, and who comprehends all things, shall descend upon earth

>>24138076

(cont)

In this connection of Brahma and the descent of Celestial Jerusalem, it is perhaps significant to mention concerning Baphomet (whom the Templars were accused of worshipping secretly or in a veiled manner). According to Guénon, the destruction of the Order of the Knight Templars in 1314,
severed, in the historical and "outer realm", the link between West and what René Guénon defined as the "Supreme Centre.

Éliphas Lévi states that the Templar Idol "Baphomet" was a historical/geographical/cultural confusion or mixture between the Greeks encountering certain Egyptian cults:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baphomet
>Lévi equates his image with "The Goat of Mendes", possibly following the account by Herodotus [60] that the god of Mendes was depicted with a goat's face and legs. Herodotus relates how all male goats were held in great reverence by the Mendesians
>The chief deities of Mendes were the ram deity Banebdjedet (lit. Ba of the Lord of Djedet)

Obviously in this connection, it should be noted that the deity Banedbjedet is a Ram deity and typically, the horned god Banebdjedet was depicted with four rams' heads to represent the four Ba's of the sun god. Obviously in this connection we should also consider Brahma's Four Heads.

Guénon writes regarding this 'New Jerusalem' that must ‘descend from Heaven to Earth’:

>We will only add, for the sake of pointing out yet another aspect of the same symbolism, that the center of the being, to which we alluded above, is referred to in the Hindu tradition as the ‘City of Brahma’ (in Sanskrit Brahmapura), and that several texts speak of it in terms almost identical to those we find in the apocalyptic description of the Celestial Jerusalem

and:

>The comparison to which these texts gives rise is even more significant when we know the relationship that connects the Lamb [l’Agneau] in Christian symbolism with the Vedic Agni (of which the vehicle, furthermore, is represented by the ram). We do not claim that there is between the words Agnus [Lamb] and Ignis [Fire] (the Latin equivalent of Agni) anything more than one of those phonetic similarities we alluded to above, which may very well not correspond to any linguistic relationship at all, strictly speaking, but which are not for all that accidental. It is fitting to note further that the Lamb is found associated both with representations of the Terrestrial Paradise and with those of the Celestial Jerusalem.

Obviously these considerations relating a very special symbolism that perhaps was preserved by Templars in a veiled manner.

Note also Guénon's observations in King of the World regarding 'Cycle of Ram' and the "Cult of Rama" and the fact that Kalki itself according to scriptures will be mentored by Parashurama.

>>24138047
>>24138076
>>24138192
nice
can you elaborate further on the Templars and Baphomet?

>>24138076

When visiting his fellow mathematician Srinivasa Ramanujan, who was ill, G.H. Hardy remarked that the number of the vehicle he had taken, 1729, was rather uninteresting. Ramanujan immediately replied that it had an interesting property: it is the smallest number, or integer, capable of being expressed as the sum of two cubes in two distinct ways:

12^3 + 1^3 = 1728 + 1 = 1000 + 729 = 10^3 + 9^3

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>>24138335
From the viewpoint of Templars, or Judeo-Christan tradition, pic related shows how Jerusalem could be considered the 'Centre of the (known) World' and Jerusalem is located at the centre of the round world. Similar how in the Vedic and Buddhist traditions the Earth is seen as a flat disc at the centre of which is the sacred Mount Meru. Around Mount Meru (or Sumeru, literally su + meru meaning excellent or wonderful Meru)

Note also Christ's relation as Mercury that is a god found in Roman antiquity, also known as the god of trade, profit and commerce. His name is apparently derived from the Latin merx or mercator, a merchant and is equivalen to the Greek god Hermes. Note also the Templars having inserted themselves in the Monetary domain, similarily how Druids controlled the coinage.

What concerns the supposed Templar idol Baphomet, Mithraic cults (This is because the Mithraic cults used Caverns for their initiations, consider also the Dome of the Rock's 'underground' bedrock/cavern. That is, Bafomet as Arimanius/Chnoubis/Xnoubis and Baphomet not as corruption of Mahomet/Muhammad, but that of Baphometr (Baphomithras), The Baptism of Wisdom.

One theory of the name Baphomet is that it represents the corruption of the Greek words βαφὴ μήτεος, the baptism of wisdom; and another theory assumes, that it is a corruption of a title meaning "Father Mithras". So the Templars seemingly may have had esoteric and exoteric symbolism concealed regarding their true nature as the "Guardians of the Holy Land".

Guénon deals with the "Cycle of the Lamb and the Ram', writing:
>It is even more remarkable that there exist in Christian symbolism innumerable representations of the Lamb on a mountain from which flow down four rivers that are clearly identical with those four rivers of Terrestrial Paradise.

>As already mentioned, Agarttha possessed a different name before the onset of the Kali-Yuga; it was called Paradesha, which in Sanskrit means 'supreme country', and which applies well to the spiritual centre par excellence, also called the 'Heart of the World'. It is the word from which the Chaldeans formed Pardes, and Westerners Paradise. Such is the original sense of this last word, which should make it clear why, in one form or another, it always signifies the same thing as the Pardes of the Hebrew Kabbalah.

Was not Ophir (India) itself land of Solomon's treasure and Gold? All pointing out to Templars having Higher Knowledge as Guardians of the Blessed Land. Baphomet itself as a 'corner-stone' of such "Temple of Solomon" and like Guénon writes:

>There are other symbols in ancient traditions which represent the 'centre of the world', one of the most remarkable and widely spread of which is that of the Omphalos.

The 'North', in this case of the Orientation of Templars of pic related and the 'Pole' in this case of Judeo-Christian tradition would be in the East were 'Paradesha' resides and Baphomet as the true 'Omphalos'.

>>24139136
What about Ophite Gnosticsm? Where does that come in?

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I'm not sure If I understand your question, but the Ophites in this context, also called Ophians (from ὄφις ophis "snake") were according to Pseudo-Tertullian (earliest sources to mention Ophites) connected with the (worship) of serpents.

He claims:
>Christ did not exist in the flesh (Christum autem non in substantia carnis fuisse; 2.4); that they extolled the serpent and preferred it to Christ (serpentem magnificant in tantum, ut ilium etiam ipsi Christo praeferant; 2.1); and that Christ imitated (imitor) Moses' serpent's sacred power (Num 21:6-9) saying, "And just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up (John 3:14)"

Guénon notes regarding this 'Brazen Serpent'
>It is curious that the name of Seth, reduced to its essential elements. ST in the Latin alphabet (which is only a form of the Phoenician alphabet), gives the figure of the 'brazen serpent'. In this connection, let us note that in Hebrew it is in fact the same word that signifies 'serpent' (nahash) and 'bronze' or 'copper' (nehash).

Some have argued that the 'Snakes', or 'Serpents', represented Druidic priesthood in certain European legends and some historians have deduced that the snakes in the legend represented the Druids, not actual serpents (ie. Ophites).

Like Guénon observes in this sense:
>There would seem to be no doubt that the origins of the Grail legend are to be attributed to the transmission of traditional initiatic elements from Druidism to Christianity.

Guénon also mentions that the Grail was given into Adam’s keeping in the Earthly Paradise, but that Adam, in his turn, lost it when he fell, for he could not bear it with him when he was driven out of Eden and also meaning the “primordial state”.

Martin Lings writes in Essential René Guénon:
>What follows might appear more enigmatic: Seth obtained reentry into the Earthly Paradise and was thus able to recover the precious vessel; now the name Seth expresses the ideas of foundation and stability and, consequently, indicates, in a certain manner, the restoration of the primordial order destroyed by the fall of man.
>It can therefore be understood that Seth and those who possessed Grail after him were by this very fact, able to establish a spiritual center destined to replace the lost Paradise, and to serve as an image of it; thus possession of the Grail represents integral preservation of the primordial tradition in a particular spiritual center. The legend tells neither where nor by whom the Grail was preserved until the time of Christ; but its recognizably Celtic origin leaves it to be understood that the Druids had a part therein and must be counted among the regular custodians of the primordial tradition.

The Grail, of course, having association with the Knights Templar because Guénon believed that the Templars had made contact with representatives of the Supreme Center of the Primordial Tradition during their occupation of Jerusalem.

>>24124518
I guess this is the traditionalism thread. Can anybody explain to me the meme about underground traditionalism in Turkey?

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>>24139479
And what was the deal with this?

>In 1909 he was consecrated Bishop of Synesuis in the Gnostic Church founded by Papus under the name of Palingensuis

>>24126535
And Huynsman.

>>24130574
Wagner posting is based everywhere, both here and in /mu/.

>>24124518
H.P. Lovecraft with a mustache

>>24139540
That mustache is what gives him his SOUL.

>>24124520
Bataille explains that this paradisiacal beginning was when humans were primitive and therefore more immanent in the world like animals. When we became self conscious we became seperated from nature and became aware of our mortality. Which caused us to develop technology and tools to protect ourselves from future death.
The story of genesis can be thought of as Adam and eve eating from the tree of knowledge and developing self awareness

Since this is the thread to ask, how do I get into astral projection? I want to have tantric sex with femboys and fight demons.

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From that picture:
>Hammer-Purgstall believed that the Templars had been secret practitioners of a fringe religious movement called "Ophite Gnosticism."

Obviously relating to the Serpent/Ophite considerations here >>24139349 we also cannot ignore that the Ophite Gnosticism had a close relationship to Sethian Gnosticism.

Guénon writes the following in The Chapter 22 called "Seth" from SoSS:
>Magic is also the only immaterial thing of which the debris still survive from civilisations which have entirely ceased to function-witness the cases of Egypt, of Chaldea, even of Druidism; and no doubt the ‘fetishism’ of the negro peoples has a similar origin. Sorcery could be said to be made of the vestiges of dead civilisations. Is this why the serpent, in the most recent times, has hardly kept anything but its malefic character

Now regarding the Serpent and 'Magic' cults, Guénon also mentions the following:
>The fact that magic, even sorcery, is what subsists as the last vestige of vanished traditions.

In regards to the Advent of Christianity the Gospels also recount how 'Magi-Kings' who are the distinguished foreigners who visit Jesus after his birth. Obviously 'Magi' is reference to the Greek magos that is itself derived from Old Persian maguŝ, which in turn originated from the Avestan magâunô, referring to the Iranian priestly caste of Zoroastrianism.

Even though their origin is obscure, Guénon says that these Three Kings represent the three leaders of Agarttha:
>The Mahanga offers gold to Christ and hails him as 'King'; the Mahatma, offering incense, greets him as 'Priest' and the Brahatma, greeting him as 'Prophet' or Spiritual Master par excellence, proffers myrrh (the symbol of amrita and balm of incorruptibility). The homage rendered in this way to the new-born Christ, by the authentic representatives of the primordial tradition in the three worlds which are their respective domains, is at the same time, one should note, a sign of the perfect orthodoxy of Christianity in this respect.

Obviously such considerations, regarding Zoroastrianism, Mithraism, Iranian Priests etc. raise the question how the Templars were able to re-formulate Link with th very same 'Centre', that according to the Gospels was present at the Birth of Christianity, before it was, according to Guénon, severed totally after the destruction of the Order.

Note also that the 'Three Gifts' of the Three Magi most probably symbolize the three then known continents: Europe, Asia and Africa of the 'Judeo-Christian' world - shown in this picture - >>24139136 - so it would be perhaps erroneous associate them historically with some sort of Zoroastrian priesthood, but rather, the traces and heirs of those Hyperborean priesthoods and the components that did exist simultaneously in the case of Druids or in the case Brahmins of India for example - and perhaps related to 'Cosmpolitan' considerations in this post >>24138047

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>>24136765
Well, now it's quite blatant.

I need to go reread Perspectives on Initiation and Initiation and Spiritual Realization

>>24124518
he's the GOAT
I'm going to grind through the Scholastics this year
Aquinas is not as boring as I thought he'd be - but can be tiresome at times.

>>24126147
that's because you are low T

>>24141313
those two books are the final redpill IMO
if I were to tweak the Guenon chart, I'd have it end on those
modern critique -> metaphysics -> initiation

>>24124518
The discord raid by guenonfags years ago was a dark time

>>24138047>>24138076

All jewish ''wisdom'' is in parable, because jews dont have any wisdom so they try to hide it with ''parables'' which they say oddly-enough they always require a jew to interpret. Fortunately for the jews, the goylems defend them to death.

>>24137985
>>24138047
>>24136316

Since when do hindus understand buddhism?

>>24124518
The conciseness of his language and the breadth and depth of his analysis is unparalleled. Truly a man of a bygone and legendary age.

>>24139987
Such a basic 13 year old take

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>>24124540
Waking up and crying.

>>24141005
Trump is a Knights Templar?

>>24124518
Umberto Eco, one of the most important thinkers of the 20th century, said Guenon was a delirious clueless retard. Your reply?

>>24142225
I reread Umberto Eco's little rant against fascism and have another laugh at his irrational, emotional outburst

>>24142225
Eco also said that MKUltra never happened. Why do people listen to that fat greasy bastard again?

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>>24142225
Guenon!

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>>24141348
Where are they now? Feels like they ascended to heaven and we were left behind.

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>>24124540
Aristotle and Kant, obviously.

bump

>>24124540
Muskism and the rise of China is going to make Nick Land popular again

>>24124540
None. This board and site is dead.

Hail Guenon

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thoughts on this

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>>24146001
compared to this old one

rationale here is that I think it makes more sense to dive into each tradition + metaphysics first before reading about initiation + pseudo-initiatory orgs.

>>24144675
Yes, everything is moving towards an entropic dissolution. The end is truly approaching.

>>24124520
Evola BTFOd Wagner

>>24124518
proto nick land even LOOKS like nick land

Guenon hadn't read Plato and dismissed him completely and didn't know about the Neo-Platonist tradition. Despite him basically being a Neoplatonist through New Age osmosis by roleplaying as a neo- 'Gnostic'.

Utter moron.

>>24147021
Lol!

>>24147021
Neoplatonism is the most overrated system on the internet. Does it have kernels or truth? Yes, but the whole system is complete nonsense. Christianity is closer than the truth than the neo-platonics could ever have rationalized.

>>24147066
How do they even differ? It's the exact same thing.

>>24147079
No they aren't; Neo-Platonism, such as that of Julian, was the Greek attempt to use eastern mystic thought to revitalize their failing "religion".
The Christian, Gnostic, and other eastern religions already contained these mystic aspects.

>>24147172
They're literally both based on Plato and the Greek mystery cults though and pretty much everything is the same including Logos and ideal forms and all that shit.

>>24147021
Plato and the Neoplatonists are boring tho

>>24146823
Evola never understood Wagner. He says Andre Chenier was more authentic to the poem than Wagner's music, pure midwittery.

>>24147021
>Guenon hadn't read Plato and dismissed him completely
Not true you liar, he cites Plato statements in Laws in his first book, Guenon says a few dismissive things about the Greeks generally but he never wrote off Plato entirely.
>Despite him basically being a Neoplatonist
"Le every mysticism is just le Neoplatonism" is one of the stupided and most shallow generalizations someone can make about religion. You've just exposed yourself as a certified pseudo-intellectual, which comes as no surprise since Guenon tends to filter pseuds.

>>24147079
>It's the exact same thing.
No it's not, Neoplatonism doesn't have any Trinity-like problem at the heart of it which they are constantly triangulating around. There are of course triad-like elements in Neoplatonic cosmology but they don't predicate of these triads the same things that make the Christian trinity contradictory. Neoplatonism is also not shot through with moralism like Christianity is.

>>24148620
His knowledge of the helénic mysteries was so Poor, most of His statements about the greeks are gross generalisations or factually wrong,also His criticism of Spinoza and Kant pretty much show he didn't understand them at all

>>24148645
You didn't post any examples that would substantiate any of those claims.

>>24148645
or perhaps it is you who does not understand Guenon at all

>>24148650
It came to me in a dream.

>>24146001
You forgot studies in freemasonry

>>24147079
Neoplatonism is annihilationist (not even kidding, look into it). Funnily enough, Guenon is as well.

>>24148652
I came inside your mom

>>24148776
> Neoplatonism is annihilationist (not even kidding, look into it).
Source? I thought it was about ascending back to unity with the Universal Soul and possibly higher principles? Plotinus argues for the immortality of the soul, not that it ever goes extinct.

>Funnily enough, Guenon is as well.
That’s not true at all, Guenon agreed with Vedantic non-dualism which teaches that everyone’s true self of numinous consciousness is already immortal, without beginning or end and is therefore never annihilated or made extinct. Annihilationism refers to a doctrine where you are made extinct or otherwise permanently destroyed. A doctrine where your true self and your actual beinghood is already divine and naturally reposing in the bliss of total freedom without beginning or end in a timeless absolute reality cannot correctly be described as ‘annihilationist’.