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are you familiar with Gogol and Pushkin
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>>24891625
Yes. Better than that gambling pervert on your picture.
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>>24893894
Pretty sure Pushkin was also a gambler. Don't know about the pervert part tho
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I hope you rot in hell for such blasphemous words spoken against the supreme god of all gods and goddesses Dostoyevsky
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>>24893894
same same. Gogol is pretty underrated and basically proto-Kafka in his short stories.
>>24893909
Pushkin was drunk sexmachine.
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>>24891625
>Gogol
Yes
>Pushkin
Not at all

Sapient Species, Races, and Miscellaneous Sapients Edition

FAQ:
>What is worldbuilding?
Worldbuilding is the process of creating entire fictional worlds from scratch, all while considering the logistics of these worlds to make them as believable as possible. Worldbuilding asks questions about the setting of a world, and then answers them, often in great detail. Most people use it as a means of creating a setting or the scenery for a story.
>"Isn't there a Worldbuilding general in >>>/tg/ already?"
Yes, there is. However, that general is focused on the creation of fictional worlds for the intended purpose of playing TTRPG campaigns. Here you can discuss worldbuilding projects that are not meant to be used for a roleplaying setting, but for novels, videogames, or any other kind of creative project.
>"Can I discuss the setting of my campaign here, though?"
If you want to, but it would probably be better to discuss it on >>>/tg/ . We don't allow the discussion of TTRPG mechanics, however. If you want to discuss stats or which D&D edition is best, this is not the place.
>"Can I talk about an existing fictional setting that is not mine?"
Yes, of course you can!
>"Does worldbuilding need to be about fantasy and elves?"
Worldbuilding, as already stated above, and contrary to what many believe, does not inherently imply blatantly copying Tolkien. In fact, there are many science-fiction setting out there, and even entire alternative history settings which do not possess supernatural elements at all. Any kind of science fiction book has an implied setting at least, which involves a certain degree of worldbuilding put into it.

Old Thread: >>24748733
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>>24892986
The difference was purely academic by that time. Even the common people had become as evil as the demons.
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What would an idealised Middle Class even look like?
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>>24893821
You need to be consistent about these things. Evil humans should still count as human. If God has promised not to send another flood to destroy humans he should keep to that word and use other means. There are many possibilities, such as meteor strikes. (See Sodom and Gomorrah.)

Though I have no idea if you're going for Christian fiction or not.
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>>24894045
Tbf I just thought it would be ironic if God turns the wordplay back on them. The barbarians thought they'd be safe since God promised he wouldn't exterminate humanity with floods, so God points out that:

1. It wouldn't be exterminating humans since they're just a fraction of the human race, and actively engaging in hurting the whole.
2. He never said anything about not exterminating demons, and these folks are definitely the majority of the demon race.
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>>24894057
It turns God into a liar for no good reason. Much better and more historically accurate would be to have Thera erupt cataclysmically, or everyone in the evil kingdoms get killed by invading Hebrews, or a combination of both options, depending on where your kingdoms are meant to be located.

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...or form their thoughts into a coherent sentence.

But you can count on them to blame and judge everyone around them, justify their own criminality, please their narcissism, sate their bloodlust. They are evasive in arguments and prefer to hurl insults over reconsidering their own biases.
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>>24893621
Monty Python
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>>24893621
Charley Patton
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>>24893621
Roald Dahl
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>>24893621
The Bible
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>>24893210
Most people are able to make the same thread only once

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This is Nabokov's only novel where he finally realized his personal writing style. Lolita, Pale fire etc. don't have a distinguished enough voice that would separate them from other decadent writings or elaborate literary criticism.
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>>24894425
It's enjoyable but too 'highly wrought' to be one of the best Memoirs ever; like Pale Fire and The Gift, however, it is a great work of art. Also, it's relatively short
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>>24894425
Yeah it's good. But Proustian to the point of embarrassment.
>>24894415
'strayans don't like them much
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the vane sisters
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luzhin defense is fav I've read so far, followed by invitation to a beheading. not getting anything out of pale fire currently. reading in 6 minute chunks on the subway is not working nearly as well for this one. had to look up the other one I read (pnin) so clearly that didn't leave an impression. are any of his others like luzhin?
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>>24894498
well you should certainly read the gift
but outside nabby the russians have a proud tradition of the feckless autist male protag; e.g obmomov, fathers and sons, notes from the underground

Historically Christianity has condemned those who commit suicide as grave sinners. The Catholic and Orthodox church refused to bury or say prayers for suicides up until very recently and even now they rarely do. Due to the Augustinian logic in particular it is felt that suicide is murder and because there is no oppurtunity to repent the person dies in a state of mortal sin. Along with this because the person dies without repent they have blasphemed the Holy Spirit meaning there sin is unforgivable and therefore they must go to Hell according to the logic.

Christians, how do you defend this?
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>>24892561
Also, such a view also seems to be keying off the view of salvation discussed here: >>24892184

This is perhaps a fair in your reference to Catholicism, but Orthodoxy has always rejected such a view. They would be more inclined to say that Hell is a state that emerges from one's unmediated relationship to God in sin. Indeed, they sometimes say that Heaven and Hell are both the same exposure to the divine fire, to God's uncreated energies, but that this is beatific for those who have undergone theosis, while it is painful for those under sin. However, Pope Benedict cited this exact explanation of the afterlife in a Pentecost Sermon, so there is significant overlap here.

At any rate, the view would tend to be that this is an intrinsic aspect of what sin does to man. And, since despair has been one of the "deadly sins" since Evagrius and Saint John Cassian, they would hardly say that, because the suicidal person is miserable, they are not sinning. Quite the contrary, sin causes misery. Yet Christ does not simply remove suffering, he shows us how it can be transfigured.

Yet suicide certainly does seem sinful under the traditional definition of sin as a disordered act (i.e., not ordered to the love of God).
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>>24892116
I actually think Judas' suicide is what turns him from a plain traitor to a profoundly tragic figure. Oddly enough, the act of suicide redeems him. No other possible pleading or repenting could have demonstrated that the regret was profound and genuine. A bad tree bears bad fruit, and he faithfully carried out his (necessary) part in the passion to its term.

I therefore think it is definitely possible for suicide to be an act of redemption, going against the Augustinian logic. Not categorically and of course practically i fully understand why such a stance could never be held as a doctrine, but it is true nonetheless.
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>>24892679
>Yet suicide certainly does seem sinful under the traditional definition of sin as a disordered act (i.e., not ordered to the love of God).
That's literally how I described it being understood in the Christian framework. As something not in tune with God's will. Why did you write all that alternative fanfic stuff to just come to the exact same conclusion?
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>>24892556
I was just pointing out it was helpful for me, I'm sorry anon
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tis a curious law that makes ones own corpse the property of another before it is even cold

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Why do people enjoy stories?

I was thinking that people enjoy stories is because of character drama.

Because plots are the same in the end, and they recycle tropes.
So stories always reuse the same 3-10 story plots, because there's a really limited number of plots.

Quality of prose is irrelevant for most genre fiction, because popular genre fiction has bad prose.

So if neither prose and plot are what drives people to a story, I suppose what drives people are well designed characters that has human motivations and we see them grow and suffer.

Besides, people don't remember the entire plot, we remember are a couple of scenes that define each character personality in our mind.
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>hurr durr it's all the same X number plots
Most people who say this haven't written shit and the few that have are guilty of the shittiest formulaic writing
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>>24894639
OP admitted to being a fantasy reader. Of course he has no clue what real literature is. You're expecting too much from someone who is clinically retarded.
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>>24894639
the good stories always follow closely the archetypical plots.

>but huh duh don't follow them
No following the archetypical plots is what mediocre writers always do.

>>24894687
high literature is always character based, then prose based.

Plots aren't very relevant for non genre fiction.

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Books with this kind of vibe.
I’ll take anything, novels, plays, short stories, non-fiction.
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>>24894333
You’ve just reminded me of the day of the jackal, thanks.
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>>24894200
You need to describe to us what “vibe” you’re talking about.
Depending on IQ you could mean, “badass is what I’m looking for! Mechs and shit!” “secret agent stuff”, “dark, brooding, gritty, man vs world”, “excessive theatricality, Japanese absurdist humor, 4th wall breaking, intentional plot convolution, heavy exposition, hard boiled allusions, Cold War setting”
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>>24894200
Techno-thriller. AKA "dad-core". A typical power fantasy and the masculine counterpart to the romance novel.
The commodified hero's journey.

>>24894254
>Britains James Bond, Hollywood's action hero.
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>>24894546
Yeah I thought about that when I wrote my post, but decided to leave it open.
But it’s actually nothing you’ve mentioned. >>24894333 seems to come very close.
I like about the game that it’s very different than the other entries in the series. The plot isn’t that good, everything is half finished, but the final product is fantastic. There is something about creeping through exotic wilderness with a highly political underbelly. The themes about deception and a war machine tearing through regions is also very interesting. That’s the most I can give you.
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Pynchon

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I'm sure this will get some of you mad but my current interest is in cultivating a discerning, Christian (Orthodox) engagement with other religious and philosophical systems, I'm thinking of starting off by looking towards the East, Buddhism, Taoism, Zen, Hinduism, Confucianism etc etc. The model I have in mind is St. Basil the Great's approach to Greek literature in his Address to Young Men, where he encourages a critical yet open-minded appropriation of what is good and true, while consciously rejecting what is erroneous. To put it simply I want to understand what can be rightly 'plundered' for its truth and beauty, while being grounded in a clear theological framework that recognizes where these traditions differ or conflict with Christianity. By any chance can any of you upstanding gentlemen recommend books/works that can help identify points of philosophical or ethical convergences with these systems while clearly delineating the theological divergences?
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>>24893484
Thanks anon
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>>24893396
>Buddhism, Taoism, Zen, Hinduism
Why is this guy reading pseud slop instead of real philosophy?
>Orthodox
Ah, that explains it.
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>>24894490
>Why is this guy reading pseud slop instead of real philosophy?
Alright where would you go first
>>24893664
Can you clarify, are you suggesting a perennialist approach?
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>>24893466
Or maybe they want to build their own philosophical system? Though I think they should extend to profane systems like analytic philosophy and phenomenology and possibly even critical theory which >>24894490 complained about.
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>>24894572
Read the Phenomenology of Spirit, it's an introduction to philosophy written by one of the greatest philosophers. If that triggers you, read through Aristotle starting with the Organon.

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Did Nietzsche take his arguments for will to power from Glaucon, his brother and Trasimaco from Plato's Republic? I was reading books I and II and their arguments are literally an ancient concept of will to power.
>justice is defined by the stronger one
>those who feel need for justice and treat injustice as a bad thing are those who can't simply defend themselves and thus are weaker
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>>24894571
No, but there are closer parallels with Plato's treatment of Eros in the Symposium, and a kind of treatment in the Sophist of Being as power or potential. One thing you should be cautious of is simply equating "power" in "will to power" with strength. For Nietzsche, will to power is also an account of nature, and even slave morality is an expression of will to power.
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>>24894571
No. Nietzsche took the metaphysics of Will from Spinoza

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Post /his/ + /lit/ book recommendations

Books that are fiction but still hold /his/topical value are also appreciated
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I've been on an English history kick recently.
Read:
The Perfect King (Edward III) - Ian Mortimer
A Great and Terrible King (Edward I) - Marc Morris
Edward II - Kathryn Warner
The Plantagenets - Dan Jones
The War of the Roses - Dan Jones

I think I want to read a book about Henry V and then read about some other era/topic.
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>>24890223
Stop not reading the books that get recommended, you insufferable consumer.
>Stimulate me with NEW CONTENT NAO!¡
Finish Bloom's canon.
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>>24880718
>exactly the types who got jobs in politics and academia
So liberals have a brief fling in Marxism by way of the CIA plants
>>24881126
>commies
Do you know what the saying "If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck..." etc. means?
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>>24888933
Nothing? Pre 20th century botany or biology with historical depth. Something on trading outside of silk road or unusual book on the subject?
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>>24894232
Just read the series by Mark Edward Lewis, it's pretty decent and goes all the way to the Qing

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Very wrong. Read Spinoza.
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>>24879595
They didn’t start with the Greeks
Euthyphro is literally philosophy 101 day 1 material and it utterly btfos this retardation
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>>24884365
>we have seen from history that civilizations which persist in existing set up mutually beneficial trade relations with their neighbors, whereas overly militaristic civilizations end up dying by the sword
Nta, and this is a tangent, but pacifistic tribes are almost always destroyed by violent ones. By "Militaristic societies" you are obvious referring to a few. To claim Nazi Germany was uniquely "militaristic" is obviously nonsense, consider the size of the Red army and the fact it had more tanks than France, Britain and Germany combined in 1939. If what America was doing in 1941-1945 was not "militarism" the word truly is arbitrary. To claim Ancient Sparta was uniquely "militaristic", where the entire Greek culture valued war and martial prowess, is again, nonsense. Rome was an example of a martial society and they absolutely left their mark on world history like few others.
>They collapsed though!
As every civilization does. A small civilization that focuses on trade will more than likely just be absorbed into a larger one.
Practically all actual civilizations operate with both "mutually beneficial trade" and by having an effective and powerful army. The 20th century was determined by land and resources, nations like the USA and Russia dominated the world because they were in the rather fortunate position to have swathes of empty land for them to claim, and a large technological advantage over the few natives that lived there.
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>>24893719
Our current moment is dominated by one single power having an obscenely large military and most other countries not bothering with such an excess of military power in favor of trade, which is leading to that military power losing its grasp on global power as the economic force of the usurping powers grows and undermines it.

In short, standing armies lose to the economic means of production every time, and the failure to learn this lesson is why China is taking over the world.
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>>24894042
>and most other countries not bothering
Other countries do not have "excess military power" for two reasons:
i) They are subjects of the United States. This includes Most of Europe to varying degrees, Japan, Korea and various commonwealth countries.
ii) They are simply too weak to even resist the United States, and have little choice but to comply with the global order.

>In short, standing armies lose to the economic means of production every time,
This is not an actual dichotomy that exists, an Army exists for a purpose, and in the case of the US that is to enforce its ideological and economic interests on the world. The raison d'être of the US military is to enforce the post-Nuremberg prohibition on warfare, as hypocritical and ridiculous as that actually is. Only the US and Israel are allowed an independent foreign policy and any other nation pursuing its own ends becomes their enemy. To define the US as simply a "military power" isn't fair either, they've dominated through the world economically through the Bretton Woods system since 1944.

>and the failure to learn this lesson is why China is taking over the world.
China's army is larger than the US. China is simply playing the long game, because it actually can afford to, and it believes the US is crumbling due to a series of cultural, racial and economic factors.
You refer to "economics" winning out over standing armies - do you genuinely believe a nation the size of the Netherlands with a "strong economy" is going to dominate a larger nation economically or militarily? What is often ascribed to "good economics" really translates to a state having control over space and natural resources. A nation with those things will more than likely win over a nation without.
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>>24892869
Doesn't matter. He's still mentally retarded.

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"I'm gender fluid," she said frowning. "I identify as a heterosexual man in a homosexual female's body." The authority and irreproachable categories made her nonexistent penis hard.
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I almost got dominated by a pretransition FtM 5-10 years before the trans stuff really blew up online. She just scanned as a pixie cut dyke who worked out a lot to me. She was incredibly sexually aggressive and told me overtly that if we got along she assumed I'd be "servicing" her daily on campus since we went to the same university. I showed up still in disbelief that this was even real and I wasn't being pranked to meet her for coffee, then went into the coffee shop thinking she wasn't there yet. I did something really autistic because I was socially anxious and left, and on the way out I made the briefest eye contact with a girl who had been in a position to observe me since I came in, but who I hadn't seen until then. I have faceblindness from autism so I hesitated again and didn't say "are you x?," I made a split second decision and just left. I went outside and decided to wait a few minutes for her to arrive, and she texted me "Actually I need to cancel," and I knew what had happened. I still don't know how she exited that coffee shop or whether she just waited there a while for me to leave. She never messaged me again. When I think about this I still want to put a shotgun in my mouth even though it was many years ago.
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>>24894528
>muh autism muh autism! it's because I'm autistic!
I can tell this is made by a genuine autist because autists always blame everything on the autism, and I really hate that

Why the fuck was he successful with women? How did he do it?
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>>24892971
>leads everyone eventually back to Stirner
The only contemporary lead to Stirner is the 500 ton lead plate of obscurity covering his forgotten and overgrown grave.
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he kept these broads on their toes. Always grinding, always eying the next one. It's a number's game.
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>>24893941
The French understand this and are cold about it. Truly an amazing culture to be in as a man.
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>>24890810
My ex had French blood. Yes they are all whores. Every one of them.
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>>24890289
Do you think this sort of eye arrangement would confuse prey?

There is a person who lives in the apartment above me, all day every day they are home, just walking around.
12pm, 4am, 927am, just walking, always home, doesn't matter if I'm on vacation or sick or switch my day off, the are never at work, never at the benefits office. Just moving around.

Every morning they get in their car and just sit right outside with it on, running, but they never drive anywhere. They just sit there waiting, with the car running. After an hour or so they get out and go back inside.

What are some books to help me understand this person?
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Reminds me of this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Gantner
>Early in the fall of 1990, Gantner's mental health began to falter even further, as he started calling his parents late at night. He would get dressed for work, make it to his car, and sit there for a half-hour with the keys in the ignition, before going back in his house.
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>>24891776
He is a FED spying on you, its over OP they got you on the list
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>>24891776
haha OP I love froggo XD
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>>24893198
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Gantner
damn even the pacing is the same
i gues the guy/girl is just a nutcase on their way to the inpatient ward.
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>>24893198
seems like CTE or something
i'm afraid i will end up like this too, lonely NEET with insomnia that does muay thai, i'm speedrunning every major mortality cause.

Top: GoT
Bottom: LOTR
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>>24892369
What's the bottom animation?
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>>24892582
Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust
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>>24892619
Thanks
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>>24892369
I know this is a terrible thread but Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust is incredible. I watch it regularly. I love this movie so much it's unreal. It's hard to believe that it was the Japanese who perfected gothic horror aesthetics, and Kawajiri's style is just perfection. Absolute peak hand-drawn animation. They just won't ever make something this good ever again.
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>>24892369
The bear GoT tops the twink bottom LOTR


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