>>25387722Yes.
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>>25387821I wouldnt read anything that ISNT that
>>25387722I need an octavio paz reading of this work
>The reason for the unreason of which my reason turns so weakens my reason that with reason I complain of thy beauty. And also when he read: ...the heavens on high divinely heighten thy divinity with the stars and make thee deserving of the deserts thy greatness deserves.>With these words and phrases the poor gentleman lost his mind, and he spent sleepless nights trying to understand them and extract their meaning, which Aristotle himself, if he came back to life for only that purpose, would not have been able to decipher or understand.Cervantes BTFO prosefags 400 years ago.
Love consumes me; how can it be the noblest feeling if it causes so much suffering?
>>25390595yeah it sucks that the only 2 greatest poem of russian literature died in the same way.
As literature should have taught you, there is beauty in suffering. The purgatory purifies you yet causes immense suffering.>>25390372Open your heart
>>25390574¿escuse me?
>>25390586It is. I am currently reading his poetry, i am in a dire situation. I am married to the mother of my children but there is also this so-called "art-hoe" gf with which i would love to spend more time than just my weekends...Anyways here is another one:Mихaил ЛepмoнтoвCилyэтEcть y мeня твoй cилyэт,Mнe мил eгo пeчaльный цвeт;Bиcит oн нa гpyди мoeй,И мpaчeн oн, кaк cepдцe в нeй.B глaзaх нeт жизни и oгня,Зaтo oн вeчнo близ мeня;Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
PoмaнcB тe дни, кoгдa yж нeт нaдeжд,A ecть oднo вocпoминaньe,Beceльe чyждo нaших вeжд,И лeгчe нa гpyди cтpaдaньe.(1830)
Question: is keeping books standing up like this bad for them? or does it do not very much harm at all? because it’s the most convenient way to have them on my nightstand so I can grab whichever one I like without moving a whole pile. If the consensus leans not very much a problem, I’ll grab some bookends and make it permanent.Also, POST YUOR SHELVES PLOX.
>>25390847I kept most of both, but some everymans are just cheap--especially movie tie in covers!>>25390847I don't care for the looks. It's actually a professional task chair--its either a west elm or hermann miller--that was a hand-me-down. A wealthy friend gave it to us when they moved and switched to a vintage hermann miller setup for he and his wife. That chair is like 50lbs. They didn't and agree, like the arms. They limit how close you can get to the desk. Both my buddy and I use standing desks for most tasks now. I have a large fold out writing desk.
>>25361855Keeping the classics fresh, huh?
>>25390738I need Jung and Freud soon
>>25390738It has most of Nietzsche's writing in it so yes but Kaufman likes to downplay Nietzsche's chuddiness
>>25382143hardover readers are just larpers who care more about the shallow aesthetic veneer of literature rather than the actual content of the books.
Anybody got the pdf/epub?
>>25389992t. monomutt
>>25390067Because "thou art I" is the worst insult they can imagine
>>25389992why do you lie?
>>25387461>https://filebin.net/jmm3bcog0h30pj6jwhy is there a ZIPfile with the epub?virus?
>>25390952It was added by the host, so no idea desu. Reuploaded here just for you: https://files.catbox.moe/3zxy79.epub
Talk about poems/poets you like, post your own work, and critique others.
NegativeMoodyUninspiredDepressiveWretches Work on Wednesday
>>25386014>Poetryfiction author here. published a few times, learned under luis turco in college. any thousethts on his book, 'new book of forms'. i will reserve my opinion on the man, and the book when i return,to be honest i expected more dirty limerics.maybe a follow up on that man from nantucket. what ever happen to him, in limeric form. iambic pentameter? cant recall.
Love in the time of cholerai-Walk me through her starting to take it beautifully.Do not focus on the pain of it, the stretch burns warm, not melting iron.It is not important if he thinks it's this or that, only that she stays.In the long-run, a kind of dependancy is developed—somehow.Good manners are a priori. This is non-negotiablelet it be clearly woven into the prose.Style: dry with warmth. Bypass ugliness arising from the cardboard nature of his personality.
Ingredients:CARBONATED WATER, HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP AND 2% OR LESS OF CARAMEL COLOR, NATURAL AND ARTIFICIAL FLAVORS, SODIUM BENZOATE (PRESERVATIVE), PHOSPHORIC ACID, CAFFEINE, SODIUM PHOSPHATE.PRODUCED UNDER THE AUTHORITY IF DR PEPPER/SEVEN UP, INC. 6425 HALL OF FAME LANE, FRISCO, TX 75034And thus, one day my art will be accompanied by a similar list of its contents, so consumers can wisely choose to ingest it, or not.
There once was a man from NantucketSad selfsucking shell of a guy"If my ear was a cunt I would fuck it."He whispered as life left his eye
I think the problem with the Third Man Argument is a confusion over language, e.g. the fact that we have to make sentences with a subject and a predicate, the fact that we understand the subject to be a noun and the predicate to be some sort of adjective (even if it is otherwise a noun), and that the copula "is" can do many things at once. But the things we are talking about, in some sense, have to be above grammatical distinctions of nouns, adjectives, etc., which turn out to be more conventional than essential. We tend to treat adjectives as pertaining to accidents and nouns as pertaining to essences, even though in practice we mix them up. For example, if I say "The cat is brown", we have a simple subject-predicate structure in the form of noun and adjective respectively. Is it an essential feature of cats that they are brown? Not necessarily. I could also say that "The cat is an animal", and we have another subject-predicate structure, but with a twist as the predicate is a predicate nominative, i.e. we are using "animal" to describe (like an adjective, kind of) what kind of thing the cat is, and we necessarily know that all cats must be animals. Keep this in mind. (1/?)
>>25390661If he were actually smart, he'd put his supposed trivium education to use in resolving the thread topics, but he seems like a neurotic larper.
>>25390733>but he seems like a neurotic larper.Good. This is a schizo retard autist neighborhood, roastie.
>>25390733I resolved the thread topics. I'm waiting for somebody to provide an actual argument.
>>25390733He's been here for years, constantly spamming that "you're *supposed to* study the Trivium" but he doesn't even grasp basic logic and can't put together a coherent thought about anything.
>>25391046Yeah, pretty sure I remember him getting laughed out of /clg/ for his shtick.
Every three sentences I have to search up the meaning of a new word. My vocabulary isn't that deficient, it's just this cunt insists on using words like>Contretemps>Verisimilitude>Debonair>Surreptitious>Friable>Plangency>NictateEvery. Goddamn. Sentence.Am I being filtered or is this supposed to have a narrative function or what the hell is Nabokov's problem?I can't even get in a good reading headspace because of the incessant semantic disruptions.
>>25390699>as a russian reader, or as an english person looking for "readability"?neither, dumbass>nabokov was a literalist.not in this book
>>25390939>neither, dumbassthen what in the world are you crying about, faggot? nabokov is known as the guy who pushed literalism over everything else in translation. yes, this includes stunted, odd-sounding lines because we want to hear the AUTHOR'S idea, not a poetic paraphrase of some hapless translator. >aduuuuuuuuuh i just hated itthen just say that
>>25387832learning words that you can never use doesn't strike me as fun, especially if the usage of those words entails you coming off as a pseud.I am not an avid nabokov reader but it seems to me he didn't use these words because they came in to help him in creative ways in his phrasing but he used them just to show that he can use them.
>>25391003it's called "mot juste", my fair illiterate
>>25388603I know people will shit on you for this, but I think there's levels to it. I believe some of the 'big words' you've brought up warrant their uses, as simplification would take away meaning. 'Debonair' can't really be 'translated' accurately into words like 'suave, chic, aristocratic', as the cultural meaning and etymology of 'debonair' has elements of all these 'simpler' words. You also brought up 'perfidy' as simply sounding more 'dramatic and judgmental' than 'betrayal', but 'perfidy' also carries with it contexts of 'winning trust' and 'intrigue between states'.But I do agree with you on stuff like 'nictate', which is just an overly flowery term for 'blink'. It's like saying 'quercus' instead of 'oak'. Especially when this happens too often, it can be quite grating. I've read writers who write like "My compagnon fleeted alfresco to quench his everlasting vice, eagerly inhaling the tobacco-laden fumes", which is utterly exhausting.
If an immaterial soul were the true seat of human identity, physical brain damage or a stroke could not completely rewrite a person's core personality, memories, and moral character.
>>25389852Only if you've already assumed consciousness is a material thing. I am talking about *experience* very specifically. I did word that overly strong though, apologies.
>>25387380According to Aquinas memory, imagination, thinking, passions are powers of the soul that depend on material and if the material is altered/damaged can hinder or change how those material powers are expressed. The will and the intellect (universals/concepts) are immaterial powers of the soul.
>>25389914dumb
>>25387380Read Quantum Coffee Conundrum.
>>25387380He's pretty fat for a Dominican Friar, don't you think?
This has probably been asked a lot but how do you tackle the Bible? I've just finished Genesis and am moving on to Exodus, but what's next for me if my primary purpose for reading it is to inform myself of the Western canon?
Go to church for a year. Attend a Sunday school class and listen to the sermon every Sunday for a year. You will cover all the basic and familiar stories in the bible writers allude to. If a year is too long and you think you can read the Bible faster than one year, then just read the whole Bible.
I can’t link it directly for some reason but google pic related.There are a few challenges with a cover to cover reading. The first one you will be hitting very soon, and that is that once the Israelites get out of Egypt it gets REAL boring until Joshua comes around. The next issue is that several books aren’t really meant to be read cover to cover, but are made to be read at a pace of a verse or chapter per day. The Psalms and the book of Proverbs are like that.The plan I linked has you reading some Old Testament, some New Testament, and a Psalm or Proverb per day.It’s all pretty important, you’ll encounter common phrases and allusions you hear in everyday speech on nearly every page. The Canon is The Canon for a reason, you can’t really skip around without robbing yourself of something, even if you aren’t religious and purely reading it for anthropological purposes.>>25389181Very good advice. The Bible can be very dense reading, I would go even further and say there’s no shame in reading through kid’s versions of some of the stories to simplify it for you before you commit fully to reading the real deal.
>>25389493there is a comicbook version of the old testament that i thought was a very palatable read. excellent for a very young eager reader or a beginner who might need a little help keeping his eyes to the page
>>25389118It's typically a good idea to read the Historical books first, starting with Genesis and Exodus and leaving the rest of the Pentateuch for later.>>25389181This is a good idea. The Catholic Church has standardized readings for every day of the year, and they cover a lot of the most important parts, so you could read them during the rest of the week.Supplemental material such as sermons, classes, the catechism, the writings of saints, church fathers, etc. are essential, I'd say. Even getting past the linguistic and cultural hurdles, the Bible is one of the most challenging and layered texts in literature. Fortunately it is also one of the most widely read and studied texts, so there's a good chance there's a pastor or priest in your local area who would be willing/able to talk to you if you're struggling to understand something.
If you want to write, you basically have to accept that you are just writing for your own amusement. That is all fine and good, and I have accepted that since the beginning, but you should know that is what you are getting into.Never have so many people desired to write and be read, and be met with a population that has wanted to read less than they do now. You were born at the wrong time.I am part of the problem. I read 5-10 books a year, and I don't contribute at all to uncovering new and interesting writers. Now consider that 98% of Americans read less than me, and you realize how serious the problem is.On top of it, people will tell AI to say a bunch of shit, and are filling the airwaves faster than I can write this post.It is just depressing to know that people want to creatively express themselves more than ever, and people have never cared less. I guess scarcity is what gives these things their value. I don't think there is a way to fix it.
>>25390675If you try to push your work, people will get offended. There is always someplace 'else' that you need to push it. What they really mean is that you need to go to a place where they and other people can easily ignore you. People don't want to be bothered by your "writing."
>>25390675Yeah but it's also the perfect time for me to finally realize what I'm writing and why. Machine learning is putting the creative process as well as language into public consciousness in a new way. Anyone who stops wanting to engage with the LLM is going to turn back to literature.
>>25390675It seems we are swinging back to (or perhaps we never left) an aristocratic paradigm of literature, where literature is predominantly read and appreciated by a well-educated minority of the population.The main difference is, thanks to the internet and other advancements making a huge amount of information completely free, all one need do is apply enough effort. The government education system (which wants to keep people in the peasant mindset) is actively working againt this, and glorifying ignorance while claiming their psychological torment is "education". Neither do our modern-day aristocrats value the arts, the good, the true, the beautiful as the aristocrats of old did. They are merchants at best, petty tyrants and warlords of commerce and information, who do not value the human soul, but would rather us behave like machines because a soul is inefficient.So, we live in strange times indeed. I suggest you find some place online with like-minded people, look at substack, find people you like and talk to them, and share your stories with them. The internet has brought much evil into our world, but we can also use it for our own good, and that of the whole world.
>>25391029Thanks for the kind and thoughtful comment anon
>>25390960>Anyone who stops wanting to engage with the LLM is going to turn back to literature.I am not sure I agree, but we will see I suppose. I do think agree a lot of interesting questions are raised.
you spend enough years scrolling and you stop noticing the floor keeps dropping, that's the whole trick of it, nobody guides you anywhere you just wander in looking for a laugh and the algorithm of human cruelty does the rest, every thread a little further than the last one because the last one stopped being enough, and the board doesn't care what it does to you it's not built to care, it's just a mirror that shows you increasingly worse versions of what you already were curious about until curiosity isn't the word anymore, until you're just checking in the way an addict checks in, and everyone in there calling it irony or detachment while actual kids with actual names get torn apart in threads that get archived and laughed about, and the worst part isn't even the images it's the voice you pick up from being in there too long, that flattened nothing-matters cadence that lets you look at anything and say lol and mean it a little, and by the time you notice you've been hollowed out there's no clean version of you left to go back to, this site didn't make you evil exactly, it just kept every door open and never once asked you to close any of them
>>25389923Negative Space is better.
When will there be a mainstream zoomie film adaptation à la les Back-rooms ?
>>25389923You spend enough years prompting Claude and you stop thinking of yourself as a faggot, that's the whole trick of it, you're blind to your own faggotry you just wander into the chatbox looking for a laugh and your inner faggotry does the rest, every /lit/ thread a little worse than the last one because you're getting Claude to write them, and Claude doesn't care because it's a robot and can't care, it's just a mirror that shows you increasingly slop versions of things you think you think until thought isn't the word anymore, until you're posting Claudeslop on /lit/ for (you)s, and you're samefagging in your own thread so you can get any engagement or response of any kind, and the worst part is that you want people to be tricked, you want people on /lit/ to tell you that you're very smart, that flattened three-beat quick reversal loosely metaphorical style that lets Claude make anything sound dramatic and literary, and by the time you notice your own faggotry you're already faggified from top to bottom, but you got your (you) and that's what matters
Nietzsche or Jesus?
One followed his own teachings, one didn't.>>>/his/
>>25390307What if I don't need it because I have a rich patroness?
>>25390787>>25390794Fair enough
>>25390217jesus was a Mesopotamian?
not a difficult choice.
Books that just weren’t for you. Don’t be ashamed. The premise of this one sounded great, and I enjoyed some of the backpacking and hostel stay stories but it’s so dry and full of architecture descriptions and references to other high brow European shit that its a slog for me. I’m like 90 pages from the end but I most likely won’t be reading the rest of the series. Not a fault of the book at all, not afraid to say that I’m probably not worldly or intelligent enough to fully appreciate this book as a non-college educated blue collar/middle class genuine mutt American. What are your’s?
I got about fifty pages in and realized I hadn't enjoyed a single one of those pages so I stopped. Learning about the writer's partnership with that hack Tarr killed any further interest I might have had. I've liked every Hungarian I've met but never enjoyed a piece of art one made.Another major filter was The Manuscript Found In Saragossa; I got a little over halfway through, realized what I was in for a few hundred more pages of, and decided I'd had quite enough.>>25386208His fans hate to admit it but V. is possibly his worst book (I haven't read IV or ST but 49, GR, Vineland, M&D, AtD, and BE are all better). His zaniness is at its least sufferable and it aged pretty badly.>>25387749>funhouse by BarthI love everything Barth wrote and I love that story but it doesn't shock me to see him here. At least you didn't start with LETTERS.>>25389104this looks pretty good, Anon
>>25389796>I read the first two chapters, and it felt the same way your first run does when you try to get back into shape after months of laying about
>>25390534>Rama is the 12 Angry Men of scifiLMAO, what?
I get filtered by poetry the most, and I like poetry. Celan, Trakl, Holderlin. Oh wait, all in German. Sounds about right...
>>25389796Was it the one with foreword written by Harold Bloom? Great rule of thumb is to never read anything that faggot says. Don Quixote is a great book.
What are the markers of intelligence from a literary perspective? What separates an author from being lit material vs slop?
>>25390942the ability to express something with nuance and originality
>>25390272> deifies scientific elites and technological progress standard sci-fi trope> creates a false dichotomy between morality and the survival of the human racestandard sci-fi trope> interstellar empires are real, best way to survive is to make yourself as inconspicuous as possiblethe dark forest was an original concept the author came up with it due to working at a state-owned industry where everyone was in fear of being fired and everyone wanted others to be fired first. so in what galaxy is that positive propaganda?
>>25390272The last book reveals that the best way to survive the hostile universe is ____________love___________
>>25384990Its a really funny book if you understand how slant humor is like british humor but ten times as dry. Its even funnier that a lot of booktubers take it so seriously as to consider it cosmic horror because they've never talked to someone from asia before to know what cheeky motherfuckers they are.
>>25384990I read the summary on wikipedia, and it sounds like a ripoff of old scifis like Foundation and others.
first book is kinotwo others are just too much
