All there’s to be found is literature ABOUT incels, but never from incels. When it’s an acute and relevant topic.
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>>25200971Wasn't John Kennedy Toole (Confederacy of Dunces) a full blown incel?
Manhood by michel leiris
>>25200971Name?
>>25218662Reverse search it nigga
I've been watching a lot of Zizek / Lacan / Land / CCRU related stuff and I'm under several impressions at the same time.First, how unacademic, lax and lacking rigour it all is. How disgusting all these pseuds are and how they basically harvest impressionable young people to sell cool courses where you can learn about how Blindsight reflects on totally real AI developments, external brain, you name it (and pay for it) and we'll make a course.But I think I'm mostly jaded that these useless people have a job and I do not. But then again I could never live under the weight of being an absolute hack fraud.Pic related - I stumbled upon this by chance, but the first time I started feeling this nausea towards academy is while I was listening to various post-docs on Hermitix.I now posess a completely rational burning hate towards academia and feel alive.
>>25218692Kill yourself, eceleb worshipping faggot
>>25218701Careful, this anon just destroyed academia in half a dozen sentences, you really don't want to mess with him.
>>25218692>how unacademic, lax and lacking rigour it all is. How disgusting all these pseuds are and how they basically harvest impressionable young people to sell cool coursesromanticism and the lie you agree tell yourself to get off, pornography, have always been 99% of philosophy. the western universities got taken over by the anti-humanists who have by now succeeded at destroying humanity and creating the homo economicus. universities have always been the centers of feminism
French Philosophy and CCRU bullshit has been killed by Sokal 30+ years ago, its corpse is still gyrating because it's useful bullshit to bubble corps plus they sell a ton of useless diplomas.
One of the most evil books ever written. We need to ban neuroscience.
>>25217955Are you telling me that or rather just publicly expressing your frustration with the author?
>>25211483let's say I walk into a booth that blows me up but took a scan of me before thatthen 1 billion years later said booth recreates me from the scanfrom my perspective I just walked in and then walked out 1 billion years later with no interruption in my stream of consciousness, there is absolutely nothing from my point of view that would imply I was anything but the original mefrom yours I was just blown up and a clone of me was created 1 billion years laterbut in this case is my clone really not me despite the fact that I would experience my clone as just being me? does your perception of me as a copy overrule my perception of me as being the same person?in a purely materialist view I would be correct as there is literally nothing that sets me apart from the "original" me. I am by all means the exact same person, I have the same body, the same memories, the same brainwaves, etc. it's just the atoms I am made of that are different and those are switched out anyways over the course of a single lifespan. saying I am not me because I don't have the same atoms is like saying baby-you and adult-you aren't the same person either.
>>25218664>from my perspective I just walked in and then walked out 1 billion years later with no interruption in my stream of consciousness, there is absolutely nothing from my point of view that would imply I was anything but the original meThere's literally no evidence for this, you're presupposing something isomorphic to your conclusion"Bro but it makes sense if you think about it" isn't evidence btw
>>25218163 I was genuinely just annoyed at you (ab)using that word, your post is otherwise fine
>>25218724It's essentially a paraphrase of the author. I did not even have that word in my vocabulary before I read this book.
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I just learned about the concept of farting on it.
Why is it okay for black people to mention things like "I've only seen one black person in this town/city/state/club so far" but if a white person were to do that, it'd be a scandal? Not even trying to be racist about it. I get why the black person wants someone around who's like them, but why don't people get white people should be allowed to feel the same way, and do?
>>25218951We are allowed? You're the one making it weird.
This is how I feel right now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTVVENVlb-E
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Some say it's essential to understand the western canon. I think it's probably important from the American perspectives, but probably won't be too informative for anybody else. Is it essential?
>>25218470>Some sayLiterally just a few terminally online dorks who spam TrueLit and Lawton’s tweets
>>25218470>called Mumbo Jumbo>book is a load of mumbo jumboWho writes this shit?
>>25218635I think you've basically hit it on the head. In many ways the novel isn't about African Americans or African American culture. It positions what makes African American culture great as being something that isn't inherently to them but something that has been present since at least ancient Egypt. This might seem like it would appeal to the Hotep types, but the novel goes out of it way to say that anybody can get jes grew too, white people can even be carriers of jes grew in the case of Warren Harding. There's also how he makes fun of black Islamic movements with the character Abdul Sufi Hamid which furthers him from any Hotep. and while Mumbo Jumbo does go out of it's way to show that there is probably some use-cases and benefits of Christianity in the black community like with how the young boy is saved by his preacher father from becoming the Talking Android, requiring Von Vampton and Safecracker to do black face, but Reed is far too critical of Christianity and religion in general to be appealing towards to black church going crowd. Like you said, Mumbo Jumbo is also not a boring, awful and hand wringing book about slavery so white people were never going to be it's biggest proponents. Add on to all that the fact of how crass and transgressive it can be and that leaves Mumbo Jumbo, and Reed in general, to only really have an audience with people who are interested in interesting writing, witch is very few. He's a writers writer. Pynchon and Tupac gave him shout-outs so there will probably always be intellectual shut-ins who pick up his stuff and like it, but you'll probably never walk into a classroom and find the students talking about the gams on those sultry floozies or whtvr. Reed's poetry is studied more often and it will probably always be that way. Also his critics of Hamilton are probably some of the stuff he's most popular for and some gen z women and old losers into Broadway will probably never forgive him for that.
>>25218645I honestly don't think Mumbo Jumbo is talked about basically anywhere online. It shows up a few times here but outside of that nobody really cares. I've seen discussion on twitter about how Toni Morrison helped produced his satire of Lin Manuel Miranda and they don't even mention the name of the play let alone Reed. If anyone online likes him it's the anti-Hamilton crowd but even those few just pretend to have read the play. Even the people who praise post-modern door stoppers don't talk about Reed. Whether that's because his books aren't big enough or because they don't really fw black dudes is yet to be seen.
>>25218470/lit/'s a black board now, crackers. Go get your pasty ass back to /pol/.
Why do books feel more "real" than any other media? At least for me, this seems to be the case. I live my everyday life, and I read a book, and if it's a good book things will look and sound very vivid and real - especially with good fiction or poetry. No other medium has this effect on me.Cinema in particular, which should be pretty close to reality, feels like dishonest escapism: the conventionally attractive actors, stupid storylines, general air of pretentiousness of "arthouse" cinema... I'd save Tarkowsky and Antonioni but almost all the rest is unwatchable and feels incredibly fake. Plus, arthouse movie fans I've met have always been insufferable - not that book people aren't in their own special way, of course. But movie fans are just stupider.Anime seems unironically better: it's a stupid medium with stupid characters and stupid stories, but honest in its stupidity. If I want reality I go to books, if I want escapism I go to anime. Movies really feel like the mid medium par excellence.
>>25218499Nothing can capture the inner state as good as a book
>>25218499>Why using my imagination and set scenarios and characters in my mind is better than slop media? I do enjoy movies sometimes thou it's extremely hard to find something worth watching. I rather rewatch movies I liked most of the time.
>>25218499I agree which is why I’ve never watched a staging of Hamlet
>>25218507If it’s on /tv/ it’s bait. Here it’s not very controversial. This is the literature board after all, full of snobs who think cinema is a medium for smooth brained pseuds who think sitting on their asses watching another man on a screen sit on his ass and cry for 4 hours is somehow engaging in high art.>>25218499I wouldn’t even give those directors you named the exception, they’re probably worse than most other, non-pseud directors actually.
Good films are dreams.
>>25216218>5 - Thomas Wolfe, Look Homeward, Angel>24 - Kerouac, On The RoadBoth good.>71 and 84 are the last excerpts from plays so they probably belong to Shaw and Pinter.Logical enough, but which way round and what plays? One definitely more well-known I think.>I am not really familiar with the remaining author list so hopefully some other anons can help fill in the rest.I ought to do a progress report perhaps so people can see what's known and what's left and who's available for them. We must be half-way I should think.
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About half-way now so here's a progress summary:2. Jonathan Swift, ‘Gulliver’s Travels’3. John Kennedy Toole, ‘A Confederacy Of Dunces’5. Thomas Wolfe, ‘Look Homeward, Angel’7. Cormac McCarthy, ‘Suttree’9. Jean Anthelme Brillat-Savarin, ‘On the Pleasures of the Table’11. Dylan Thomas, ‘Under Milk Wood’12. Varlam Shalamov, ‘Berries’ (‘Kolyma Tales’)14. Oscar Wilde, ‘The Importance of Being Earnest’Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>2521738683 is Faulkner, As I Lay Dying
>>25218742**Light in August
>long as fuck names for characters, places, concepts etc (had to write them down to memorize them)>weird non-flowing sentences>lots of poetry-ish sounding sentencesIt seems like the author literally translated ancient chinese slang into modern day english, its just difficult for me to read. Anybody else experience this?
>>25213461Currently in Volume 2 chapter 278, it's lowkey lame and boring, i prefered Vol1...can i speedrun or watch a summary up to an interesting point then resume reading? like, am sure all this bs am going through won't matter much later on and i'll forget most of it.
>>25214937Literally all of them.e.g. the infamous bear scene. Rape used to be the go-to move for demonstrating that a villain is super evil in low quality 2010's era china slop. The entire first half of the chapter is a bait and switch to make you think Fang Yuan is going to rape the girl. Obviously he does not and does the bear thing instead.
>>25214937Well for starters the basic premise of a guy from modern China who gets reincarnated into Cultivation World then becomes famous there by passing off famous historical Chinese poetry as his own is beat by beat the most hackneyed late '00s Chinese fantasy novel plot imaginable. How he turns out to actually be bad at cultivation and then has to spend a lifetime of suffering in a world where that is the only skill that really matters is intended as an obvious subversion of the cliche initial plot.
>>25216017>How he turns out to actually be bad at cultivation and then has to spend a lifetime of suffering in a world where that is the only skill that really mattersSounds very inspirational. I am ok with such subersion.
>>25215481The bear was less a parody of rape plots generally and more a specific parody of the whole brat correction meme (which was even more of a thing in China (before the recent censorship tightening) than it ever was in Japan).
Ginger Snaps edition.OLD: >>25125217
>>25216742Have you tried Brian Evenson yet?
>>25216668I'd say both A Collapse of Horses, and Song for the Unraveling of the World are pretty great. Song also has a decent amount of sci-fi horror stories mixed in, if you like that go for that one.
>>25217606Yes>>25218518Those are the two I've read
>>25218520What'd you think of them?
>>25201490>>25201542Yeah unfortunately some of his endings leave something to be desired. However, Island's last sentence was phenomenal imoI also thought In the Dark wrapped up nicely
call of cthulhu was one of his weaker workwhy did it become his most popular one?
>>25216711can't unthink it
I like Lovecraft from time to time but it's not a coincidence 99% of his fans these days are larpers and gamers lol, he is definitely genreslop, even if he is one of the better ones.
CoC is one of my favourite HPL stories, personally. I wish he had revisited the voodoo theme in his other stories.
>>25218187You missed a K
>>25216711its a safe choice. mountains of madness is too much like creation for evolutionists and too much like evolution for creationists. dream quest of unknown kadath is too pious and too magical. but cthulhu is a great plushie idea
who was Victor Sells? Why is Harry Dresden looking for his daughter? Can I reach the same level of immersion if I read the whole series and watch the anime?
>>25215513I haven't actually read it, but I was trying to piece together the information and it seems Victor forces his wife to participate in orgies, so it's implied he indirectly rapes women in the series. Not sure why the schizo thought he was raping his daughter, but it may be his fanfiction. We know he had previous charges of harassing children, so it's probably projection. I've known many schizos who obsess over child rape because they're secretly paedophiles.
>>25215513I legitimately really really like this series, first few books aren't really good but man the quality is top notch from then on. Good blend of humour and action. I find it hard to recommend to people but I definitely want to>>25215652He's the villain of the first book, a rogue wizard (not part of the official wizard society / club making him a warlock) who starts dabbling in magic and starts manufacturing a drug that gives normies wizard sight.He never forced his wife to do those things nor rape people, he kinda just abandoned her to go do this iirc. He got in contact with a couple that hated the mob boss he got into a territory spat over his magic drug trade and said mob boss' regular drug trade and convinced them to bone each other so he could channel their lust and rage into kill spells to start sabotaging the mob boss' business, because natural phenomena like thunderstorms and strong emotions are good magic batteries in the setting. I think the schizo was just a fan of the series or read the first book some time recently (cause honestly most Dresden Files fans don't even like Stormfront that much for it to even stick in our memory) because Victor Sells is super forgettable when you got villains like Nicodemus, He-Who-Walks-Before and the VampiresJim Butcher has two other good book series that being Codex Alera (born from a bet that Butcher could not write a good story based on a lame idea, him saying he could and that he'd even write a story based on two lame ideas so the guy challenging him chose "Lost Roman Legion", and "Pokémon" which honestly sums up the series surprisingly well)and Cinder Spires (steampunkish setting about crystal energy weapons and airships, in a world where the ground is covered by mist and all of humanity lives on giant towers. Writing is better than the setting I'll tell you that much)
>>25217807Just got done with the sixth book.I don't like how sometimes the C plot has literally nothing to do with the investigation.In this one, Mavra's goons attack Dresden a couple times, he puts together a team, and then they just walk in and kill her except they don't. Nothing from the fight carries over into the main plot so why is it even there?Another example that comes to mind is the gang from Fool Moon who can go berserk mode. They show up twice and then are never relevant again.Even if it's setup for later books, it feels cheap within the current story.
>>25215513>the irl chud was larping as a character from a book named "stormfront"My sides are in orbit how is this real
For 15 years, I pretended that I had read this book. Now that I am done with it, and acknowledged how much of a clusterfuck circle of hell St. Petersburg is, I have realized all the midwits who pretend to have read this like Peterson are just wrong.How can Raskolnikov be wrong if:>stealing from an usurer parasite landlord wrong>a young girl prostituting herself to pay bills for her empoverished family and alcoholic father is okay>alcoholic father being run over / throwing himself in front of horses is okay>children begging for money on a bridge in St. Petersburg is okay>creepy socialist funding a commune solely so he can pass free love policies is okay>rich people leveraging their wealth so poor women prostitute themselves as concubines (19th century Russia's sugar babies) is okayRaskolnikov only lost because he was caught, and he was caught because he confessed, first to Sonia, then to the cops.The only bad thing Raskolnikov did was killing the landlord's sister, and the whole thing seems like an editor intervened because he was scared that Raskolnikov stating the obvious, that some men can do whatever evil they want, would be too dangerous in tsarist Russia.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
the whole point was that despite all the context you just mentioned and despite Raskolnikov's own intellectual justifications, he was still in the wrong.
>>25216449Dostoevsky was an orthodox chuddite. Of course, it is incredible hard to believe in god if you live in Russia, much less 19th century Russia. The evidence of his absence is all around you.So, his books reflect his struggle with accepting god/rejecting nihilism (as he sees it). He has Raskolnikov confess because to do otherwise would mean that nihilism actually wins. Of course he still wrote the book, and certainly part of him feared that Raskolnikov would not feel guilty at all.
>>25216502>Of course he still wrote the book, and certainly part of him feared that Raskolnikov would not feel guilty at all.Besides the Sonya scenes, which feel genuinely heartfelt, only to be subverted because a cop was watching him, I believe Raskolnikov should not have confessed. To anyone. He did nothing wrong, and the world around him was even worse.I am so disgusted. St. Petersburg was hell.>>25216496I just hate this. Nietzsche probably never read this book, or else he'd have called it a triumph of slave mentality.Raskolnikov's own sister was going to become a concubine to a rich guy because his family needed money. There were little children begging on the street for the empoverished parents. Sonya was prostituting herself for her family not to starve. This is so disgusting.I'll stand by the statement the only mistake he commited was being caught.
>crime of shatimentthat's when you poop on somebody lol
>>25216545>Nietzsche probably never read this book, or else he'd have called it a triumph of slave mentalityWho gives a shit?
There's was a really interesting thread the other day where anons were discussing the best middlebrow books, and these three were the most commonly named. This is not my list by the way, haven't read any of these authors, I was just collecting the names, so don't shoot the messenger :^)Who would you add to the Mount Rushmore of midwit...sorry, middlebrow authors?
>>25217419nah
>>25217429No, he is. It's like reading one of those 19th century young men who wanted to be poets but churned out shit.
I would say Hemingway and at a stretch, Fitzgerald. Oh, and Salinger. Maybe also Orwell?
interesting thread
>>25217997>SalingerHave you read anything by him that wasn't catcher?
This completely eviscerates In Cold Blood, fucking phenomenal.
>>25218391Would you rather have them live forever?
>>25218565It depends, immortality can be seen as the ultimate punishment or the ultimate reward depending on perspective.
What exactly is "dialectic" as a theory of ontology? This is a reading group to learn just that>The splitting of a single whole and the cognition of its contradictory parts (see the quotation from Philo on Heraclitus at the beginning of Section III, “On Cognition,” in Lasalle’s book on Heraclitus) is the essence (one of the “essentials,” one of the principal, if not the principal, characteristics or features) of dialectics. That is precisely how Hegel, too, puts the matter (Aristotle in his Metaphysics continually grapples with it and combats Heraclitus and Heraclitean ideas).-Lenin, "On the Question of Dialectics">Space is, in general, pure quantity, no longer in its merely logical determination, but as an immediate and external being. Consequently, nature begins with quantity and not with quality, because its determination is not a primary abstract and immediate state like logical Being. -Hegel, "The Philosophy of Nature">Contrary to metaphysics, dialectics holds that nature is not a state of rest and immobility, stagnation and immutability, but a state of continuous movement and change, of continuous renewal and development, where something is always arising and developing, and something always disintegrating and dying away.-Stalin, "Dialectical and Historical Materialism">The fact is that no contradictory aspect can exist in isolation. Without its opposite aspect, each loses the condition for its existence. Just think, can any one contradictory aspect of a thing or of a concept in the human mind exist independently? Without life, there would be no death; without death, there would be no life. Without ‘above’, there would be no ‘below’, without ‘below’, there would be no ‘above’. Without misfortune, there would be no good fortune; without good fortune, there would be no misfortune. Without facility, there would be no difficulty; without difficulty, there would be no facility.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
Oh if Bob puts on a dress and suddenly then he’s a fairy princess! He’s Smeckle more! THATS the democrats are like
>>25217719Ironically yes. Since they acknowledge state capitalism they are able to be more free than the US that also has state capitalism but larps as if they follow the Austrian Economic system.
>>25217762>democrats?leave kristi noem's husband out of thisyou mouth breathing hypocrites are all the same and never grow up
>>25218436Kristi Noem is literally an ICE fascist who goes to show for ISRAEL a state centered around religion / race thst wants America to be its bitch and trigger wwiii.Kristi Noem is even more embarrassing than faggot democrats are though it is a tough race
>>25218440kek tiny dick energy broshe and her cross dressing husband are the standard model of the american conservative, right wing, gop, maga, whatever the fuck you are partygo get your plastic surgery and shut the fuck up and waiting in line to lick the boots.has the nerve to bitch about anybody else.
