These four have a lot more in common than not. 3/4 are dead and I don't think Pynchon will finish whatever he's working on. Do you think lit is dying? The US has a literacy rate not seen since medieval peasantry. is it all over?
>>24119377Who's bottom left?
>>24119380Phillip K. Dick. He had influence on the rest. There are allusions to his books in their work. Pynchon reportedly read ever PKD he could get his hands on.
>>24119377why would anyone read a book when the internet exists?
>>24119384Spend less time on lit pretending to be disinterested.
>>24119383Thanks. I've only seen pictures of older Dick.
>Pynchon is alivewhat the fuck
>>24119377pynchon is working on a book?
>>24119414It's assumed. I can't imagine he isn't worthing on something. I also can't allow myself to believe he will finish it.
>>24119377I think a lot of people are still capable of writing great quality literature, but the industry isn't allowing them in because they don't conform to standardized thought, and what they write, while genuine, is not statistically viable by todays insane paralysis of marketing.Those who can write exceptional books also have trouble expressing them. Cormac's punctuation was terrible, David Foster Wallace's work was a jumbled mess; They and many other had really great editors to help them get their ideas across, but the problem with finding an editor is that not only do they charge a fuck ton of money, because they're all marketing cucks, but they like everyone else in the industry refuses to touch anything that isn't deemed "Safe" by their own narrow standards, or rather what the zeitgeist tells them is acceptable.
>>24119383i dont see any dick influence in Cormac
>>24119423The Passenger and Stella Marris are essentially Valis. Same themes. These writers were rehashing concepts PKD had long talked. Just doing it in a way that was acceptable to academia.
>>24119429ah ok, i tried to read the passenger but i realized cormac was a washed up redditor by then and dropped it
>>24119421stop coping dude
>>24119439How about you prove me wrong. All anyone can ever say is shit like this, you can't refute the fact that there has been no exceptional artists in the past fifteen years. Why do you think that is? Do you really think these absurd marketing fucks have really done anything good for artistic expression?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZazEM8cgt0
>>24119453there are u just don't like them like that polish chick who won the nobel keeps cranking out door stoppers. she seems too political and i shan't be reading it, but i'm not gonna act like there aren't good writers. also tony thamulitimutt or whatever has potential. plus that guy who did europe central is young enough to drop a couple more ones.
>>24119461An author acknowledged by a self congratulatory industry whose views perfectly align with what the industry is constantly shilling as good. You've only proven my point>Tokarczuk is a leftist and a feminist.The industry will not publish or acknowledge any writer outside of the official values that the system wants to promote. Looking at her work she is also pro migration>Olga Tokarczuk's novel Flights explores migration, travel, and the human body, and is considered to be in opposition to the violence of borders.Are you fucking serious dude? It's not that I don't like them, it's that I cannot see any serious authors of merit in the mainstream if their values don't align with what the corporate elite want to put fourth in their policy changes.Awards and Accolades are not given for merit, they were made by an industry that wants to constantly instill in you the notion of what is Good and what is Bad. >Oh this woman who parrots every contemporary talking point in her writing is receiving a Nobel Prize? She must be a great artist!Give me a fucking break man.
>>24119473u don't think pynchon's shit didn't align with the "corporate elite"? it's historical novel about ww2, it's like boomer bait all the way from liberating europe to dissing nixon. it might as well have been a hollywood movie. it's still great, but lets not act like the historical fiction pynch cranks out is some how subversive or radical. mccarthy with blood meridian? it's basically white man bad the book but with scenes of boomer cringe like when the white guy shoots a guy for being racist to his black friend. all of this stuff is industry pleasing and completely unradical.
>>24119484> u don't think pynchon's shit didn't align with the "corporate elite"?Gravity’s Rainbow was taken off bookshelves. The Pulitzer board refused to give the award to Pynchon. Pynchon wrote GR while living as a beach bum and often couldn’t afford rent. He’d have to babysit for his landlord so he wouldn’t get evicted. Pynchon is the real deal. He wasn’t hand picked.
>>24119490it won the national book award for fiction and had positive reviews in the nyt gushed about it dubbing it "one of the longest, most difficult, most ambitious novels in years". pynchon had already published two successful books before that which earned praise and awards. not to mention pynchon is an ivy league grad. if u're using pynchon has some hope/cope that your shitty self-published shit has merit, well, think again.https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/97/05/18/reviews/pynchon-rainbow.html?module=inline
>>24119484The quality of these authors has still gone way down. For one this, writers today are much more explicit with "The Message", because they have no real substance to fall back on. I'm willing to grant they may have some talent, but it's not nearly as raw or real in it's struggle, because it is defining itself in an industry which already accepts the values it is putting fourth, whereas the writers of old were always defining things contrary to the industry, which is what made them so subversive.To take it a step further, these modern writers are even less creative, because they are only repeating the trend of acting as if what they are doing is subversive when in reality it is not, they are taking the merit of how authors and artists have always been known as subversive to paint themselves as the underdog, but every fucking writer these days is inculcated by the system.I will also revise my statement, college education is not entirely bad, but it is mostly bad, and far worse then it used to be. There was once more merit in college education, and more room for alternative information to be expressed, allowing for more unique and creative writers to develop something of epic proportions.You think the institutions of today do this? Not even fucking close man.
>>24119490They refused to give him the Pulitzer because he wrote about eating shit (they were right.)
>>24119518dfw is another lame faux-critic of society. "dude, like, tv is bad!" wow dave i don't know if book consumers are ready to hear that.
>>24119522I don’t need to debate the merits or DFW’s work. If you don’t get it then that’s a you problem.
>>24119522I will agree he isn't everybody's cup of tea, and that in writing on themes of the mundane and boredom a lot of people really don't take the time to engage with his work to reveal it's merits, which was another statement he was trying to make about the industry today, insofar as everything we consider Good these days doesn't take much work to really elucidate, because it's all just repetitions of the same tired values we've come to know and isn't challenging in anyway; And if the industry keeps supporting this, is it any wonder literacy rates have gone down? Is it any wonder almost all music uses the same beats and the same themes? If the industry you support is the very thing creating this mediocrity, how can anyone cling to the notion that any part of it is good? They are lowering peoples standards year after year, and subjectivity is not a valid excuse for it anymore.Sure subjective taste is a variable, but so it nutrition. Mcdonalds may be cheap and easy to produce, but it doesn't contain great nutrition and is filled with poison. Same go's for the majority of our media, which lacks intellectual nutrition and is filled with ideas that only further erode all alternative kinds of meaningful art.If you cling to and support this system, then I'm going to shame you no different from somebody who possesses and eating disorder.All this to say, that I'd take a nice homemade hamburger made with grass-fed beef and all natural ingredients that was presented sloppily and thrown onto the plate, over a McDonalds hamburger that was full of shit but maybe looked more visually appealing.
>>24119540the feminist by tulithimutt was the closest anyone has gotten to coloring outside the lines in recent memory, but i mean what was the last really oh shit wtf book someone dropped? naked lunch by burroughs? that was like 70 years ago.
>>24119548I like a lot of Chuck Palahniuk's books, but I think that is an example of subjectivity because I don't think his work is really groundbreaking after a certain point.I don't know how anything really provocative can get published in an age of "Sensitivity Reading" and statistical trends.People love to say>Oh well, marketing is a business, they have to do what makes them money, so they aren't going to publish something that doesn't look like it will make them money.Well then what the fuck is the point of artistic expression anymore?The whole purpose of marketing in it's original phases is to get eyes on something that might not normally get a lot of attention, but now they are only promoting works that they Know will get a lot of attention and not really trying to share ideas and, I don't know, create real art?Either that, or they never cared about art in the first place. They either either want to control peoples perceptions or drain money out of other peoples efforts.I see this same shit in book publishing, music industry, comedy, even visual art.No wonder people are afraid of AI, because if all art is is a collection statistical trends, then AI is going to blow us all out of the fucking water in this regard.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP4wsURn3rwhttps://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sensitivity+readershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OlH7SreOGk
gen x were the last lit tier generation, DFW, chuck palinhuk, brett easton ellis, etc.Millennials attempted something with the alt lit movement but it was a failed memezoomers have nothing, they dont read, dont write, cant dance, and dont know karate, they are never gonna make it
>>24119377>The US has a literacy rate not seen since medieval peasantry. did Apaches and spics in old times developed any form of literature when they ruled north america?
>>24119622(cont.) Im gonna assume that he's dead or living years of his life where he can't write another book. from wiki: " In December 2022, the Huntington Library announced that it had acquired the literary archive, including typescripts and drafts of each of Pynchon's novels, handwritten notes, correspondence with publishers, and research."they wouldn't do this unless his writing career is finished.
>>24119622just let he man be a recluse for gods sake! leave him alone
>>24119628*living last moment of his life
>>24119622(better resolution with source ) h ttps: //www.zinio.com/in/article/national-enquirer/january-14-2019-i435334/invisible-author-pynchon-caught-on-camera-a42203
>>24119628probs jimmy carter mode now
>>24119638>NOTORIOUS HERMITLol
Pynchon appeared on CNN once and they thought he was Ted Kaczynski... but I'm glad I enjoyed his latest novel Mason & Dixon!
>>24119377Good. Fuck Cormac and fuck DFW. Dick did enough while he lived.
>>24119638Guy has a Lynchian head of hair on him. Looks based. Imagine getting paid to stalk Pynchon, the faggot who took that picture doesn’t have to.
>>24119377Mccarthy is the odd one out hereHe was just a pulp western writerKind of the opposite of the rest
>>24119744>Imagine getting paid to stalk Pynchoni'm sure there's people out there who've done it for free
>>24119749>McCarthy is the odd one out hereAgreed, he’s clearly a tier above the other 3
>>24119377Pynchon looks like an /r9k/ fagchild.
>>24119418Come on, he's been retired since 2013. He said his piece.
>>24119759>>24119638That cane is so dapper
>>24119898I'd like to smash his buck teeth in with it.
>>24120385pynchd
>>24119618Isn't that what campfire stories were?Oral literature that you could memorize and pass on to others?
