Jordan Peterson. The Author and his work. Discuss.
>>24111589Work as Propaganda (medium as a means to propagate will)
lmao
>>24111655What is this from
>>24111701It’s from Gravity’s Rainbow, by Thomas Pynchon. Some guy posts it in every JBP thread for some reason. Or it became a meme and now several posters do it.
>>24113120that makes it funnier
>>24111655What did Jordan mean by this?
Personal struggles aside, I think the man has a lot of valid points.
>worksyou mean his works on clinical psychology?
>>24111589False opposition.
>>24111589i remember back when he really rose to internet prominence back in 2016. i was fascinated. i got lost in the lectures about pinocchio and meaning. it was very cool, very interesting. then i started looking more into him as a person and i found out about his work with the UN and the podestas. that rubbed me the wrong way and i became skeptical of his message. then i picked up 12 rules for life. the first rule was literally "take your meds" and tells the reader to make sure you take your psych meds, asks some retarded rhetorical questions like "why would you give your pet their medication but not take your own, do you not care about yourself!?" and then ends with some retarded point about not taking meds being like the chaos after 9/11. i dropped him entirely at that point and laughed when he went into rehab because he took too many meds. anyways, his daughter is hot and i would fuck her.
>>24115100Make sure you bag up
did Peterson get a second hair transplant? I seriously think he did.
>>2411517310 million griftbux buys a lot of things.
>>24111589Why the fuck are you still obsessed with this guy.
>>24115173possible
>>24114253He's good on everything except Israel. It's an enormous flaw in his thinking.
>>24115809Just because you don't agree with it, doesn't make it a flaw. In fact, it points more to your own lack of understanding.
>>24115809>Israel is a flaw in JP's thinkingIn what way?
>>24115231why are you
>clinical psychologist who spent decades personally helping hundreds of people severely afflicted by mental illness>academic who published dozens of widely cited papers ranging in subjects varying from practical counseling, historical/philosophical roots of psychology, research paradigms in neurology...>research scientist working on the operationalization of personality constructs as well as the neurobiological basis of addiction>university professor who mentored dozens of grad students into academic, research, and counseling careers>assisted in the development of software that increases the likelihood of at-risk students reaching graduation as a side project>accidentally became internationally famous and ended up publishing 2 best selling books (so far) as well as organizing lectures in various countries throughout the worldinb4>he's a drug addict tho!>his office was messy once!>er...you don't have a dad!>er...wash your dick!>his daughter is a slut!>y-you're Jordan>he likes the Jews!>he's controlled opposition!Still triggering trannies who don't like the truth, libtards who propagandize, racists he won't associate with, and pseuds who can't tell the difference between a media personality and real life
Say what you will about him, he's the most insightful pop conservative by far. I'd rather listen to 5 minutes of him than an hour of Ben Shapiro, Charlie Kirk, Michael Knowles or any of those other dipshits. Never read his books though
>>24111589Kike slave
OH NO, YA KNOW?
>>24117223if you listen to him speak you can get caught up in his rhetoric and delivery. if you read anything he has written, he very clearly outs himself as an absolute retard at BEST and a malevolent force for evil at worst. see >>24115100his first rule in 12 rules for life is take your meds, a rule that he listened to too much and had to go learn 12 russian rules for life to get back on his feet. his justifications for you needing to "take your meds" is some asinine tangent about your pets and THEIR medications (this point alone could be broken down into a damn thesis about his retardation). it is also funny that he ends the "take your meds" chapter in a total non sequitur about 9/11 and order/chaos being the reason you need to take your meds. one of his other books has a surprisingly lengthy passage about a recurring dream where he fucks his hideous grandmother. he rails against the establishment and establishment stooges, but he WAS one! he worked at the UN with the podestas. you'd think if he really wanted to rail against the establishment proper, he would go into detail in his time there, about the inner workings of the larger apparatus, or point to SOMETHING, but instead he rails against low level TAs and professors making barely 100k a year because their favourite philosophy book is not his favourite philosophy book.
>>24111589The absolute minimum quality modern conservative philosopher permitted on this board is Deneen, Juden Peterstein belongs in the trash
Wheres the wwoym thread
>>24114253its like choosing the edible parts out of huge pile of shit
>>24118678Peterson took a doctor prescribed medication. At the time it was being handed out like candy for pretty much anything because it was seen as harmless (you can easily find celebrities on late night talk shows joking about taking them). It is now rarely prescribed due to the fact it creates physical dependancy even at low doses over short periods of time and causes extreme withdrawal symptoms (up to and including death). Having an adverse reaction to a prescribed drug doesn't make someone a drug addict. There is no evidence he abused the medication (i.e. his experience became so common that the drug is hardly prescribed now).When he initially sought treatment in Canada they wanted to give him SSRIs and misdiagnosed him. He took the initiative to research treatment options and went to Russia where a programme specifically developed for medication withdraw was available.Immediately after his treatment he finished and published his second worldwide bestselling book. Within months he had organized and gone on an international lecture tour. He also published multiple articles and made some media appearances. He has also set up an accredited online university that will offer free degrees, organized a think tank to combat the hegemony of shit like the WEF, created an online interview series with hundreds of episodes etc...The narrative that there was a character defining downward spiral into drug addiction is doesn't bare up to reality. I'm honestly embaressed so many people have been holding onto it for half a decade now. Imagine being so pathetically delusional that you parrot the same easily disproved ad homs in an autistic echo chamber for years on end thinking they land; in that time Peterson has gone on to much success.
>>24118802trvke
>>24118802all that cope to miss the fucking point. i am not taking the advice from someone to "take my meds" who had to go into rehab for abusing them. i'm not going to listen to an alcoholic who says i should have just one more drink, i am not going to take fashion advice from someone who cannot dress their self. and yes, he did abuse them, he has been on record as saying that his hubris, derived from being a clinical psychologist and thinking himself reasonably smart and durable, lead to him thinking he could handle more. and EVEN IF he was just doing what the doctor told him to the letter, that still negates his point about "take your meds". not even the doctors know whats good for you and could very well prescribe you something that sends you into a downward spiral and ruins your goddamn life, "up to and including death".>glazing him for being a best sellerthat has nothing to do with how much of a retarded snake he is. talk about the quality of the book, not how much it sold. how much it sold tells me nothing of the content. same with all the media and lecture tours. you don't actually say anything about the quality of them, just that he did them. limp bizkit has sold millions of records and tours all the time, but limp bizkit is still a shitty artist.>organized a think tank to combat the hegemony of shit like the WEFagain, he worked for the UN. why does he not talk about any of that, how he was an instrument of the machine that he now supposedly fights against? why does he still support elon musk, despite musk being a "young global leader" in 2008 and STILL, TO THIS DAY, supporting all the same technocractic ideologies and ideas peddled by the WEF? i will tell you why. it is because peterson is just hopping on the bandwagon of people pointing at WEF and saying "i won't eat the bugs" because he knows he can make money off of these people. nothing of value will come from his think tank because it isn't there to actually combat the WEF as he says. it is to give people a false sense of hope that something IS being done, just like the retarded Qanon psyop's to make people believe "yes, we're taking care of it all behind the scenes. believe! hope! don't do anything!"anyways, you can hop off his dick. he's not gonna fuck you, lil bro.
>>24118802I assumed you‘d drop this copypasta the minute somebody pointed out what a facile excuse this is for a psychiatric doctor specifically.
>>24118806>>24118846>>24118858Reminder that the autists stimming themselves by repeating the same nonsensical vitriol about Peterson, thread after thread for year after year, are pathetic ideologues and resentful idiots. His best feature is that he gets them to out themselves as such.>libtard /lit/Seethes that Peterson turns them into reactionaries by pointing out their bullshit.>pseud /lit/Thinks cynically dunking on mass media meant for a general audience is a sign of intelligence.>chud /lit/Thinks he's part of a Jewish conspiracy preventing them from having sex.>tranny /lit/Thinks he's a "literal nazi."
>>24118864you're hopeless.
>>24115100When he was on a leash giving lectures on psychology he was good. Just watch the old lectures if you want something to kill time with. He's not worth reading.If you're interested in the half-assed ideas he spouts, better read Nietzsche and Carl Jung.
>>24118846>to give people a false sense of hope that something IS being doneThat's just about all the alternative media, all threads on all the boards, all religion and spirituality, all NGO's, just about the whole world really. Despite all the happenings nothing ever happens.
>>24118872>Delusional rationalization/disorganized thinking:There are facts about the world. For example, that media manipulates people, Jews work in media, and psychologists study the mind. However, what a delusional person does is take such facts and use them to confirm a specific narrative (this is known as being selectively coherent). The elements of the narrative aren't actually proven by the facts but the delusional person (or ideologue) confuses their truth with the truth of their narrative. For example: Peterson is a psychologist (fact), associates with Jews (fact), and works in media (fact); therefore he is a skilled manipulator and part of a conspiracy headed by Jews. (This is the delusional rationalization part). The facts don't prove the narrative yet if you look you'll notice they are what is carrying the weight of the argument being made by people who mentally adhere to the narrative--if you deny the narrative these ideologues will confuse this with denying the facts. (That's the disordered thinking part).Basically, the dangerous thing about paranoid narratives is that they have the appearance of being logically consistent within themselves and noticing the sleight of hand that takes place between the facts and the narrative isn't always easy to do. However, it's quite easy to see why certain narratives are simply absurd (e.g. looking at the advanced teachings of a cult versus those they use to hook people in).Peterson isn't the crescendo of a multi-millenia conspiracy headed by a cabal of Jews who want you to not have sex. You haven't figured it all out and you aren't interpreting 5D chess. What you are doing is building a selectively coherent narrative based on truisms and confusing that they necessarily connect to your version of reality. If you find yourselves doing this seek professional help.
>>24118884>Basically, the dangerous thing about paranoid narratives is......that sometimes they are true.
>>24118896...and rationalized away by people who assume that they are intellectually superior to others by applying heuristics like "never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence".
>>24118896Peterson will touch a nerve by simply pointing out something that is blatantly ignored in the way an ideological group frames an issue. He exposes ideological blind spots in a simple and straightforward way; this leads to the fellow travelers of whichever idea is being discussed having a breakdown and exposing themselves. He's valuable as a media personality if even for that reason alone.>Peterson: it would be productive to involve men in the conversation about violence against women in a way that doesn't label masculinity as inherently negative>Libtard: so you're saying in order to make men care about rape women have to be returned to the status of men's property>Peterson: the rise of identitarianism is linked to reactionary politics that sublimate personal resentment into collectivistic extremism>Chud: so you're saying white people don't have group interests and therefore shouldn't exist>Peterson: transgender ideology specifically targets a group of people likely to be confused and open to mental pathologies via social contagion--we shouldn't give hormones to children let alone surgically mutilate minors>Tranny: so you're literal nazi saying we're a disease and we should be exterminated like one>Peterson: anonymity increases the likelihood of pathological behavior so perhaps one way to alleviate the negative repercussions of its overall influence would be to segregate accounts on these specific widely used social media websites--it's definitely better than secret and selective control of the public narrative as it exists now>/pol/tard: so you're saying you want everyone everywhere to be tied to whatever they say and do at all times...I'm a freedom fighter [goes to another thread to post about AOC's asshole while writing "nig*er" 50 times]
>>24118878yeah, like i said i was originally fascinated by him. the lectures were good food for thought. but once you delve deeper into his ideas (and then relate them back to his lectures), the picture becomes a whole lot less wholesome.>>24118883there is good alternative media, but it is hard to find. while the good alternative media used to be a little bit more front and center, it has over time been pushed out for more radical and fictionalized narratives. a lot of the sources i read and watch nowadays are about homesteading and building actual communities within physical space.>>24118884i never said anything as such, did i? you are projecting onto me a character which i am not. all i have said is that peterson is not actually doing the things to fight the things he says he is fighting and he is not consistent in his worldview. and you are now posting images of peterson as christ. i am not a christian, but a good christian would not appreciate you doing that. even if they like peterson, what you are doing is a form of idolatry. peterson is not a christlike figure, and pushing that is showing what a sycophantic little bitch you really are.>>24118901lmao where the fuck are you getting these copypastas?
>>24118906>he's a drug addict>his daughter is a slut>messyoffice.jpeg>you don't have a dad>wash your penis>you're Jordan/Mikhala>he cried in public>he associates with Jews>controlled oppositionAd homs that distract from his arguments are all they have. The sad thing is that they're the same ones over and over and have been for years. The fun thing is that it's easy to point to where his credibility comes from and the positive things he's been doing for years and make these people seethe.
>>24111589It helps when you need him and you don't have access or capacity to understand better options, but it's still too much of a conformist with his "get your shit together" discourse actually meaning radical forgiveness and to put your nose to the grindstone to serve an exploitative system that don't care about you
>>24118919Yeah, because wallowing in resentment because you weren't given handouts is a sure way to lead a fulfilling life, lol.
>>24118884I‘ll go back to cockslamming my wife while you gargle Peterstein‘s cum between three day bans to say how jewish media control is real, just it‘s not the same as how Nazis say because it‘s just not okay
>>24118923>I‘ll go back to cockslamming my wifeLol, this loser had to take a break from fucking his hog of a spouse to post on 4chan.
>>24118923>be me>literal neonazi skinhead with a bold swastika tat on my bicep>"He's Just In Argentina" written in Fraktur font stretched across the chest of my undersized t-shirt>walking to store to buy some smetana for my wife>enjoying the cool crisp autumn air>listening to jonathan bowden speeches on my headphones>see small dot appear on the horizon>the dot gets larger and larger>it's a libtard, running full speed>directly towards me>he reaches me and comes to a halt like he hit a sprung floor>gestures at me to take my headphones off>i do>immediately starts telling me specific timestamps of jordan peterson videos from 8 years ago where peterson said having a dad is important and you should wash your penis>tell him i dont understand>continuous babbling and screeching about how stupid jordan peterson is and how father figures and washing your foreskin are dog whistles for white supremacy>ask him what any of this has to do with me>he won't answer, just keeps saying jordan peterson is a nazi>is a nazi, is a nazi>tell him i'm not sure about that, i don't know much about peterson but i'm a nazi and-->he just keeps going>now he's telling me about some tweet peterson made in 2016>now he shows me a picture of him sitting in a messy office>now he tells me peterson isn't a real professor and isn't qualified to speak on gender v. sex>he asks me: "did you know that peterson used to shit his pants when he was a baby?">i open my mouth to say something but-->he tells me the daily wire is the daily stormer lite>ben shapiro is a nazi too>i ask him what he even means by nazi? (i am a nazi)>show him my "Meine Ehre heißt Treue" dagger and himmler rookie card>he won't answer>anger in his eyes--he starts pulling out cards with blown up screenshots of jordan peterson wearing terrible suits>the word "NAZI" is written in red ink across peterson's forehead>i turn away>now I'm the one running>fuck jordan peterson
>>24118922I'm talking more about "you're a number on a chart on your healthcare provider and they don't care if you live or die" and "you're a number on a chart on your corporate job and they don't care if you live or die" type of exploitation and uncaring, not "the government isn't buying my vote with gibs" type of caring. There's no point on participating on any of those games for much more than enough for you to get your quota of debt to live off of it. Peterson don't adress at all the systemic exploitation perpetrated by the government and corporations, and fed by the consensus manufacture machine they call "education", but here we are
>>24119026>you're a number on a chart on your healthcare provider and they don't care if you live or dieThe fact you even have a healthcare provider is something to be thankful for and the part about "not caring I'd you live or die" is hyperbole. >you're a number on a chart on your corporate job and they don't care if you live or dieThe fact you have a job is something to be thankful for and the "live or die" bullshit is once again hyperbolic. >not "the government isn't buying my vote with gibs" type of caringNo difference between them. You're crying for a bureaucratic system (healthcare) to care about you and acting like employers should be a surrogate for community. It's retarded and childish. >There's no point on participating on any of those games for much more than enough for you to get your quota of debt to live off of it.If you're going to try and dress up a basic bitch take (muh debt slavery) as if it's insightful learn to word things better. >Peterson don't adress at all the systemic exploitation perpetrated by the government and corporationsSure he does. The reason you're filtered is because his starting point isn't "faceless bureaucracy should treat you like a person" because that's retarded. >and fed by the consensus manufacture machine they call "education"Lol, pseud.
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>>24119256>t. assmad that people who don't want their taxes to pay for his HRT won the last election
>>24119281>absolute projection that is 1000 miles off the mark...oh dear. your brain age is... a little underwhelming.
>>24119302>WAAAAAAAA, BUREAUCRACIES NEED TO CARE ABOUT ME!!! IT'S THE GOVERNMENTS FAULT I'M A LOSER SO...UH...MORE GOVERNMENT!Lol
>>24119457don't make me tap the sign again.
>>24119533You mean the lazy Simpsons meme featuring a post some retarded schizo wrote that pretty much confirms the logic of this pasta: >>24118884?>NOOOOOO, THE LEFT IS ONLY LOSING THE CULTURE WAR BECAUSE THEY NEED PEOPLE TO FIGHT IN WW3! 5D CHESS!Lol, you fucking retard. You're the chud equivalent of a hippie roastie obsessed with horoscopes.
>>24119857*tap* >>24119256*tap* >>24119256
>>24119868>Bro, you're just like a number. Like, we live in a society! But they just see you as, like, a number, man. It's like, hey bro--he's a cheap gold watch after spending 40 years in some cubicle. They don't even care if you live or die.>I figured out that money is actually debt, bro. It's like a rat race where they don't care about you and just want some debt so they can control you, man. >Did you know that "education" is really just manufactured consensus. Lol, you're the definition of midwit.
No one commented on how clever my "Intent as the author" word play is in my op post so I'm forced to point it out myself. It's quite clever.
>>24119874*tap*
