>I padded up from the sunken bed in the forecastle and through into the galley. It smelled of coffee and, on account of our recent refit in Nagasaki, turpentine. As I came up, Tilly returned from some chore on deck, swanning down the narrow teak stairs and onto the banquette opposite the chart table. She was wearing the carnation-colored export kimono I had given her the preceding week and, once she doffed her sun hat, nothing else. She struck a long kitchen match against the galley stove and lit a Cartier cigarette. Shifting, she selected her raggedy copy of Brideshead Revisited from where it lay interloping on my chart rack and began reading. The Japanese had put an almost mirror polish on the teakwood ceiling and as Longreach heeled slightly, the morning sun poured through a downlighter and glittered against it, bathing Tilly in fairy-light. I married her in that moment, everything that followed was a formality.
>>23356210I wanan bookstore gf that I can rip the clothes off and sex. HARD. Right in the aile. Juices and squirt and cum going EVERYWHERE as the sound of PLAP PLAP PLAP PFOOT PLAP PLAP PLAP PFOOT echoes throughout the store alongside the animalistic grunts and screams from me and my bookstore /lit/ gf. AFterwards she will ask if we can meet up again to sex in the store, and I will say no B)
>>23356210I am really seething about this rn, I need to vent about how a /lit/ wife slipped out of my hands>Be me, 23, from relatively traditional culture (Indian Punjabi)This matters because dating is less of a thing here, it's more of an arranged marriage sort of thing>Meet a girl, 24 yo, at a family gathering (friend of a friend of a friend)>We chat about our college experiences, about our intellectual interestsI met her again a few nights later, and we spent like 8 hours straight talking with each other. It was the first time in my life I felt something more than simple sexual desire when it came to a woman in this sort of non-platonic context. I met her a few more times as well afterwards, at a party and then at her house with her parents.And she was /lit/, she read a lot, in multiple languages, with interests ranging from 1990s Russia/Chechnya to Indian literature to American history. She was awesome, and pretty to boot. I liked her. I liked her a lot. We hung out a few more times, I spent a day with her brother (who told me he liked and was impressed by me), my mother and I had dinner with her parents, I thought this was going somewhere.And then they said no because she has an older sister (who's 27) and they want her to get married first. And it ended there. My dad was happy, because he didn't want me to marry an older woman (she was older than me by 18 months). This shit killed me man, I did everything right. I didn't try to do anything untoward with her, I used a vichola (matchmaker relative) to bring the topic up, I made a good impression, I did everything I was supposed to do. She liked me, our friends said we were a good match, my mother liked her a lot and her parents liked me (her mom still calls my mom to check in on me). But at the end of the day they said no. I literally dream about her sometimes. FUCK
>>23356253just jack off to porn bro and have intellectual diiscusion in your head with dead authors bro. easy peasy bro.
>>23356253All women are whores. No exceptions. There is no such thing as an "intellectual" woman, just a woman who has learned to appear a certain way in order to attract a certain type of man and reap certain social benefits. Everything in the female brain is wired towards the manipulation of appearances. You need to be in a serious relationship for a few years to really get this as a man. Find what you really love and you'll individuate. If you marry, be extremely prudent about it, and you'll be fine.
>>23356253Lmao can't you retards just meet and run away together to the city?
>>23356292this is wrong but you hopefully already knew that
>>23356299not an argument
>>23356296I would not suggest such a thing and I do not think she would accept. They are a happy family and she is very fond of her parents. I don't want to disturb that.
>>23356319Then you don't love her well enough. In fact, if you professed to love her, she would expect this from you, her being a book lover and all. She would be thrilled that you would be willing to break customs to do this for her. I can almost imagine her smiling at the thought. Think of it as a long term shit test that you are failing at the moment since you harbor no passion for her.
>>23356210I promise you don't want this. Educated women are neurotic and insane, and will use it against you to make your life a nightmare. Give me a docile girl with mid or low IQ who can barely form her own opinion. Who has some innocuous hobby -- like crocheting, gardening, or baking -- to keep her from thinking too much. Who, if she opens a book at all, God forbid, it's the Bible or YA slop.
>>23356299not wrong 100% accurate
>>23356253Is there really no chance they will accept later if you ask again once the older sister is married?
>>23356386Maybe there is, but our timelines don't match. My father wants me to get married soon, within the next 2 years. He is actively looking for a match for me. He doesn't like this girl because she is older than me (by a year and a half). >inb4 "just do what you want bro"Yeah no. He is basically the dominant figure in my life, to a somewhat unhealthy degree. My future partner will be his daughter-in-law first and my wife second.
>>23356210Bro, it's literally a myth. I orbit a lot of "artsy" London scenes, and every "lit-gf" girl I've met is superficial in their taste and their poetry tends to be shit. There have been some exceptions, but the talented ones tend to be ugly and fat, so is the way of life. The best chance is to find a girl interested in the humanities. She'll read as a hobby, most likely, and have better taste than lit girls, but she won't be as well-read as you, but it's okay, because she'll be better read than the so-called literary "types".
>>23356334This is also dangerous because of the amount of saving you will have to do. A low iq woman will give you trouble such as you have never gone through, these are the feely types that are quick to victimizing themselves and their poor decisions might ruin you one day. If you have children, they might also turn them against you. You have to be very smart to be able to predict her actions and that will be tedious for you, it will like being in a relationship with a teenager.
>>23356442I pity you. Your culture is vile.
>>23356473The data suggests arranged marriages (which were the norm for the majority of cultures for most of human history) are generally happier and more loving than the modern romantic self-selected marriages. I don't think the West should go back to arranged marriages but there's clearly something going right about it -- and something wrong about the self-selecting model, probably because people don't actually know the type of partner that will make them happy in the long run.
>>23356493brown hands typed this
>>23356473In some ways I think it's better than the alternative. But when it comes to romance and the like I agree that I don't like it.
>>23356493I don't even disagree with the idea that it's reasonable for your family to play a role in advising you about marriage and helping you choose your future spouse. But shit like >He is basically the dominant figure in my life, to a somewhat unhealthy degree. My future partner will be his daughter-in-law first and my wife second.and>they said no because she has an older sister (who's 27) and they want her to get married first.is appallingly backward and ignorant, and suggests that your culture affords fathers an absurd amount of authority, even if the decisions they make are utterly foolish and arbitrary. Stop being a cuck and become your own man.
>>23356493Most marriages in western history weren’t like what you described, thoughbeit. Yes, the man will have to ask the woman’s father for his approval, but the basis of the marriage was more often than not two young people loving, or at least appreciating, each other’s company.Cases where one or two of the spouses was not happy with the arrangement were not the majority.>>23356531This.
>>23356296Have you seen indian "cities"?
>>23356210>”Longreach: By Steam and Sail from Sydney to Southampton” is an autobiographical novel by Anglo-American artist and financier Haim Claypole Roth. It follows his journey aboard a ketch-rigged Edwardian steam yacht from Australia to Britain via the Panama Canal. The narrative is centered around his romance with Tilly Fazakerley, a classically trained English actress and soprano reduced by her father’s bankruptcy to performing for tourists aboard P&O liners on the Hong Kong service. Roth’s “rescue” of Tilly and their subsequent courtship (complicated by Roth’s engagement to an American heiress) was remembered as “one of the more affecting love stories to come out of the post-war transatlantic aristocracy” by The Spectator.”
>>23356467so mid intelligence is sweet spot then? like handle bills level intelligence?
>>23356635Once again the Jew plucks the English rose. Tough luck, whitey.
>>23356635WTF is this? nothing shows up when I search any of these names.
>>23356253This is the future tradlarpers want.
>>23356210Just make a tulpa
>>23356733how?
>>23356210This text makes me feel nothing. Romance is a willing delusion, offering pleasure so enticing one feels obligated to indulge, but should this obligation corrupt itself into desperation, remember that you are to blame. We are born alone, and we shall die alone, therefore only I have the right to claim myself.
There is no /lit/ gf for the same reason there is no (anything) gf, there is only gf. Women are never really anything except default blank slate women, everything on top of that is temporary simulation. A woman will only maintain an interest, hobby, or identity as long as it gets her attention. Tons of women just abandon their hobbies and careers as soon as they get a man. Imagine how much you still care about sex after you orgasm. You don't. For women, sex is their identity/interests, and the orgasm is having a man who validates them. They become "asexual" with regard to their identity/interests after "orgasming" (finding a man). After they have a kid and get old it's 50/50. Some of them regain a few quaint little hobbies like gardening. Others become even more indistinct, just a brood mare who drives kids around and watches TV.
>>23356253Get a husband for her sister, dumbassIm kidding man that hurt to read I hope you two can stay together eventurally
>>23356793There's a general on /x/
>>23356837tss he should win a battle or somethin
>>23356292this is true but I met a nice girl a couple of days ago and will conveniently forget this. I know I am probably playing into a fantasy but if a girl is cute, nice and accommodates my vulgar, intense personality than I'm smitten. Most people are generally frightened of find me unsettling so I hang out with art freaks. Finding a person who is accommodating either means they're as troubled and I don't think this can be faked. My most genuine friendships are with people I shouldn't even like but we psychologically fit better. Anyway one thing I would like to add is that 90% of the time if a girl is 'interesting' it's due to her previous boyfriend imprinting themselves onto her.
>>23356292acting like a whore for a woman is like masturbating is for a man, on some level they feel ashamed of it but that's massively overwhelmed by the joy they get from it and 98% of them do it regularly maybe you can find some utter anomaly or headcase who don't do it at all but for every one of those, there's a hundred who do it despite swearing they don't do it, and ten thousand who just openly do it and don't care
>>23356837so I have to willingly give myself schizophrenia?
>>23356808Ah yes, because you, Mr. Incel, have hobbies for their own sake and not for attention-whoring. The truth is that all incels are bitter and you read and do other things in the hopes that one day a woman will fall in love with you. You are a pathetic worm.
>>23356332Anon, there is no hope for a relationship which gets kicked off with me essentially forcing her to go against her parents' wishes. That is the sort of thing which gets women disowned. It would be super selfish of me to put her in that position.
>>23356635>woman in the 1960s: let me sail around the world with this man I barely know because I’m bored at work >woman in 2024: I’d rather meet a bear in the woods than a random man.
>>23356253>letting your parents make major life decisions for you as an adultWhy does anyone want to emulate this shit? Feeling for you anon
>>23357313High trust society. I blame nonwhites for ending it.
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>>23357313>>23357652>artist and financier Haim Claypole RothNot a random guy, a random RICH guy with a badass yacht. Even today you could build a harem of women in a few minutes.Although I will agree that society has gone to shit>rich yacht owner in the sixties: writes novel with good prose about his yacht voyage and romantic affair>yacht owner: posts to Instagram
>>23356800This is a somewhat based take, but how does it feel to know that Haim felt more joy in that moment, watching his bride to be reading and smoking, then you have ever felt?
>>23356253AIN'T GONNA READING ALL THAT BUT DO NOT REDEEEEEM SIR, DO NOT REDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEM
>>23356253This is heartbreaking but should write a novel based on it. You could make millions.
>>23356640You want a combination of mid and feely and as long she understands you are smarter than her then its ok, but I wouldn't advise marriage, just have her as a partner which feels like an upgrade from girlfriend but still not a wife, something that gives her permission to fuck you over in the west anyway.
>>23357041lmao you still don't understand women, or their families for that matter do you, ok then keep waiting for the universe and brahma to giive you a hint
>>23356808This is a good post, unfairly ignored. (It goes a bit too far and is phrased a bit aggressively, but then this is 4chan.)— Woman studies <Subject X>— Seems to have decent intellectual curiosity and drive— Seems to actually care about X— Marries— Never thinks about X once ever againis a pattern I've seen repeated too often to ignore.It's one of the main reasons why no woman is ever going to be world chess champion. There are lots of men out there for whom winning chess games is a matter of life and death. Yes, there are women who take chess seriously. But nothing like as many as men, nothing like as seriously, and more importantly, nothing like as tenaciously. A top male chessplayer giving up the game is unusual. A top woman giving up the game is the norm. (Look at Judit Polgar, Hou Yifan, Anna Zatonskih, etc etc etc.)Most women really DON'T CARE about anything except raising children. That is how reality is. To quote Cormac, that way, and not some other way. And that's fine. The problem comes when we have to pretend things are otherwise.
>>23356210OP you dumb as a bag of rocks, stop creating threads on advice about getting women on fucking 4chan mate. No asshole here has a gf or had one, and if they did, their taste and discernment in women is atrocious, a blind man has better perspective than these retards. Stop shitting up the lit board retard. Go to /adv/ for this.
>>23356210Make yourself worth something >>23356210
>>23358291Back when I was a chess tryhard and I would give away tournament games stupidly, I would go to the bathroom to sperg out and slap myself and scream. I know dudes who would kill themselves over even stupider shit like League of Legends. Such women don't really exist, and if they did they would be extreme anomalies.
How did you guys meet your wives or girlfriends?
>>23358965Discord.
>>23357991He has empathy, anon. It’s not something you would be familiar with.
>>23359371Empathy never got anybody pussy or a wife for that matter, you wouldn't know this because you are a perpetual friendzoned nice guy, women sometimes need to be deceived in order that logic and sense may eventually tread through the emotional murk that inhabits their psyche.
>>23356210booktok gf is the most likely outcome anon just accept that one day you'll have to put her YA fiction next to your so much more important and refined hard sci fi
>>23359470Thank you for clarifying. In that case, I would rather die a virgin.
>>23358291>>23358867They dont have intellectual curiosity and the need to be the first ever, the best ever as a man hasThey have the need to be the teachers pet or be the best in their local groups. If the group cares about solving equations she will dilligently read about equations. If the group cares about gardening she will research what is the best soil for each flowerSame thing with the teachers pet thing. Its the need to be the best in class and make their parent pride that often leqds women to their doctorate, even in STEM. They are dilligent but mostly play inside the box, following the rules. They are not disrupters (either criminals or geniuses) like men
>>23361009To complement, in other words, they are all about relations, not abstractionsMen want to be THE BEST, THE ORIGINAL, THE FIRST, THE UNIQUEWomen just want to be better than that bitch Suzie who lives next door
>>23361018Riddle me this. The passage in the OP is a memoir. Tilly is reading a piece of literary fiction entirely of her own accord it would seem. What is her angle if not that fact that is /lit/?
>>23361032I dont know the memoirs but have several theories>her father inoculated the taste for literature in her, she internalized ir>a past bf inoculated the taste for literature in her, she emulates is>she spent formative years in a social circle that valued culture and arts and literature as a young woman>she wants to impress a man who reads>she is a rare example of a masculine minded woman>people from the past had a different upbringing where females base instincts werent given free rein
>>23357837Vikram Seth already did that lol. It's called A Suitable Boy. OP is not a suitable boy apparently lol.
>>23356808>women don't have interestsDo you? Be honest with yourself. Do you actually engage with literature? Or did you wade through books memed about here so that you can start shitty bait threads
>>23356210>be somewhat attractive>go to a big bookstore>loiter around the poetry/fantasy/romance/mystery fiction sections>pretend to be interested in whatever garbage is in there>????>profit
