AK General /akg/Literary Edition>Thread #2026Old thread here >>61597372
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dumbfuck here, slamming my post from last thread up top in herei've heard (and experienced) that zastavas use subpar (commercial grade) parts in their zpap rifles, any ideas better than trigger and bolt carrier swap? hoping to maintain the rifle and keep it after finding a suitable successor
>AKs are designed to be simple. Anyone can understand how they work!
>>616545791st for range day tomorrowLads what should I bring? It's the biggest range day of the year so far - we've got a bunch of people bringing really cool guns to shoot and a range that goes out to 600 yards.I'm thinking about bringing:>WASR>AR-15 x2 (my 16 and wife's 10.5)>((10)) AKS-74>Saiga 308>Winchester pre-64 Model 94 in 30-30>Type 56 carbine>M92 underfolder I can't reasonably bring all of them so if it were you and these were your options, which would you bring or leave home? I have to bring the ARs because I'll be sighting them in but the rest is fair game.
>>61654602You’ve heard wrong
>>61654696my loose, bent piston rivet leads me to disagree
>>61654731That’s easily fixed
>>61654750true enough, still want to do some preventative work before something else goes wrong
>>61654579See: >>61654777
>>61654624If you got steel at 600, I'd bring stuff that has a chance of getting there. The saiga and ak74 would be my picks. 30-30 as well because levergats are cool.
>>61654602For all the shit that Zastava gets, they have one of the better stock triggers out of all the imports. The bolt carrier is a non pressure bearing component and is pointless to replace.
>>61654785Anything piston driven is going to have tall forearms just to make room for the gas system and have interuptions to make room for the bigger gas blocks. As far as zero goes, the AK side rail is on a relatively flexible part of the receiver, that area of the reciever is far away from the trunnion, the side rail held with 3 rivets that are almost inline with eachother, the interface is just a dove tail. Not to mention the rail forces the optic to be held really far away from the mount...it's all really a kludge.In the real world, it doesn't really matter: your zero will shift maybe 0.5-1 MOA if you bang around the side rail and take the mount on and off a bunch of times. If you don't want that to happen, just get something that mounts to the sight block and be done with it.
Why haven't you written a book yet? It's like printing money.
>>61655330>watch Mishas channel>ask for gibs>write a book using his content and wikipedia
>>61655330This dude must really be running out of content to make videos out of>verification not required
>>61655356Why make content when people send you free money? His book kickstarters have been like three million bucks.
>>61655276i can't disagree on the trigger, but i'm concerned on the carrier's quality as the piston rivet shat itself before i hit 2k on the rifle
>>61655412If the rivet shit itself and the hole in the carrier didn't waller out, its just a bad rivet - not a bad carrier. Hammer in a split pin and keep trucking.
Bump
>>61655330I wouldn't mind the price as long as it's not written by Ian. Every book he wrote is a complete mess of mistranslated documents and wikipedia level of knowledge with low res pictures and a shitload of QC issues. On the other hand books by other authors like the swords of the emperor one are okay.
>>61656705It’s written by some Hungarian arms historian or something.
>>61656702Supposedly women actually like it when you do this because its proof you have real interests. At least thats what I'm told. Don't really talk to womyn bunch of guys with gf or wives in my old unit said they got them by explaining warhammer lore or something
>>61658159Why do femoids block me when I start talking about armpits then? Vgh...
>>61654624>my 16 and wife's 10.5Based Sneedville resident.
I'm gonna go ahead and say it. The SAM7SF is a very rated import AK, and I say this as an owner. The milled receiver has way more downsides than upsides.
>>61659579overrated*
>>61659139Because social skills are learnt and you haven't. They might even be down for whatever but not about discussing it. Study the game because characters are only playable by the rules.
>>61655330Eh, the books are nice consoomer stuff. I have a couple and they make nice coffee table pieces: half decor, half pleasant to re-read every now and then just like scrolling wikipedia.If the shipping wasn't added on top of the hefty price tag, I'd snatch that one too
>>61659579The way they handled the folding trunnion is really weird: it makes it longer and heavier. If they had a model with the fixed stock, 24mm threads, and ambi selector, it would be breddy cool imo.
>>61659579It's a dumb rifle for 30-something software developers who got into AKs during the pandemic.Of course (((Vartan))) will market it the way he does.
Beryl is becoming my favorite AK. Think I am going to modernize it desu.
>>61654579Painted the mini 'ack
>>61659965all you need is a cleaning rod and a sling anything more is ruining it
>>61659897For me the biggest issue is the way the milled receiver prevents over travel of the safety. Its just a little pin rather than the more robust stamping on the stamped receiver. Sometimes on my SAM7SF the safety travels too far downward past the receiver. I much prefer my SLR107FR.
>>61659579I have one, and its strongest point is that it maintains the 100 series folding stock mechanism, but folds to the right so you can still use the dovetail optics rail.
Just cleaned AK and now trigger won't release the hammer. What did I do wrong? I didn't mess with anything trigger-related I know I could just Google it but for some reason I trust you fags more.
>>61660328Yeah I can see that being an advantage, but I only shoot irons with my AKs. Does your safety ever over travel when moving from safe to fire or does it work fine?
>>61660383I’ve never had a problem with the safety overtraveling.
>>61660382Post a picture of your fcg
>>61658159Passion vs. obsession-- one is attractive, the other is the opposite.
>>61654623They aren’t sending their best
>>61660217That's a borderline cosmetic issue - stamped guns will also overshoot the fire notch frequently especially if you loosen them up a little.
>>61659917>no you must ONLY have gotten into AK when I did!>NOO you MUST only be a tradie and have blown out knees to afford my hobby - comfy office jobs are NOT okay!
>>61659965Why don’t you just buy the Beryl furniture? Its already modernized
>>61654602Zastava probably imported around 100k rifles thus far. It’s amazing we’ve only heard a handful of instances of poor metallurgy and carriers cracking and not more considering how many they’ve sold. Back in the day people used to say the Russian Saigas were trash because of a qc issue here and there but nowadays everyone hails them as the greatest production rifles ever. I think the Zastava issues are overblown. Today’s rifles have a forged carrier and trunnion, and a hammer forged chrome lined barrel. They are one of the best AK’s on the current market.
>>61659965Fuck Redditors and their propensity for putting dongs on everything.
>>61660907It's so bad, and I love how the owner doesn't realize how bad it is
>>61660382Have you checked that both of the little hooks on the hammer spring are properly seated on the two sides of the rear of the trigger? Are both of your trigger group axis pins fully inserted? Is your pin retaining plate or shepherds hook properly installed and seated?Post a picture maybe we can spot something from it.
Anyone know of any good reweld services for ak receivers? Just bought a 1958 polish KBKN parts kit that comes with all original receiver stubs and I’d like to preserve it if possible.
>>61661105TurboThis does a good enough job and is the most affordable. Troy Sellers of InRange and John at Appalachian Gunwerks can do them as well. I've only used Turbo before.
>>61660691It’s kind of gay>>61660907They used dongs on them in GWOT newfag
>>61660907>>61660922PSA owners triggered lol
>>61660907There is some kind of sinister subconcious phallic obsession when it comes to redditors I think.
>>61660496how can you tell the difference? I feel like its gonna boil down to if you're autistic or not. unfair
>>61654623The "sight pusher" isn't to far off
>>61661187Ah yes. If the military used it then it’s totally not cringe and Reddit
WBP Sisters, here are your “forged” trunnions lmaooohttps://youtu.be/R5KKZLBU2j8?t=143
>>61661187>It’s kind of gayHave you ever used it? Actually really nice, only issue is the cheekweld.
>>61661823kek inb4 coping and seething about how their billet trunnions are the highest grade (commercial) parts on the market
>>61660691laser will not hold zero on that rail bro
>>61661823do the arsenal sam series rifles have forged trunnions?
>>61661823Just like Riley Defense, they advertise their parts as forged, but they’re actually just machined from forged billet and heat treated. For those that are curious what an actual forged trunnion looks like, picrel is what a hammer forged trunnion looks like before it’s machined into its final form.
>>61661909Arsenal SAM rifles don’t have or need trunnions due to the fact that they have a milled receiver. Trunnions are only necessary for stamped receiver AK’s.
>>61661909>>61662008And yes, the receivers are milled out from hammer forged receiver blanks.
Bought an arsenal SLR 104 with 5 Bakelite mags Tula, One circle ten mag, and 200 7n6 for 3500usd including tax Did I get ripped off bros?
>>61661823Nobody seems to remember the days when they went by V-project and sold cast trunnions.
>>61661603your PSA isnt a real AK
>>61662359nta but why?
>>61662359Check out my PSA
>>61662316>Bought an arsenal SLR 104 with 5 Bakelite mags Tula, One circle ten mag, and 200 7n6 for 3500usd including taxOverpaid by about $5-600
>>61662352B-b-but mega based AK god Robski said they were good to go!
>>61662316That’s Russian SGL money for a Bulgarian rifle
>>61662352I 'membahttps://atlanticfirearms.com/wbp-cast-barrel-trunnion
>>61654579wasr bros where we at
>>61662703I like the wear on yours. It looks well used.
>>61654579>5.45 is still 70 cpr for questionable tela ammofeels bad bros. might buy/build a 5.56 AK after I run out of 5.45
>>61664078How much did you stockpile? I am at about ~8.5k and I feel pretty good as I don't shoot all that often. Wolf (Tula) was under $0.40 per round in 2022 so I got a couple extra cases then. Back in 2017 I paid under $0.20 for Barnaul after buying an SLR104 for under $1K. I wish I could go back. 556 AKs are the future but they feel soulless to me.
>>61662703
>>61662316You fucked up
>>61661823rifle is fine
>>61662316You could have saved $500 if you had shopped around. Go shoot the shit out of it and enjoy it now.
>>61662316Fuckin sexy and rare rifle nonetheless. I wish I had that kind of cash to blow on a rifle.
>>61664616COPE!
>>61662378Because it's sights are straight, and has proper heat treatment
>>61664909https://youtu.be/Otey8JVjuwc?si=pF0vVUBKSyppxbVT
>>61664909https://www.theakforum.net/threads/psa-ak-47-gf-3.315621/
>>61664794whats wrong with it
>>61665987Billet
>>61662405Oh nice a Redditor who paid 2k for an American kit build
>>61662405>built by muttKek nice but it’s basically the same thing as putting Russian furniture on a PSA
>>61666051>>61666061>my Beryl with a dong is not Reddit, y-y-y-you are!!!
>>61662703Right here fren, range day was great
lads are norincos still cool and how much is too much
>>61667282Yes.Depends greatly on what one
Range day today I had fun :^)
Guys will this go up in price SLR104 FR
>>61667282I feel like I’ve seen more Chink AK hate recently than before. A few years back Polytechs were holy grail AKs and MAK90s were just below or at Saiga tier. Anyway it entirely depends on the model. For the sporters anything more than 1300~ is pushing it and those require additional conversion. The more desirable ones pop up for like 3000-3500. Just remember that outside of the states they are considered mid to low tier.
>>61667327Converted MAK90 or a NHM-91? I know the 5.56 variants are up there in price now
Thinking about selling my 7.62x39 rifle and getting a pistol and SBRing it.WBP mini jack?Draco? (Romanian)or SAM7
>>61667393I wouldn't go over 1.5 for either
Anyone try shooting the PSA 7.62x39 ammo yet or are we waiting for more beta testing
>>61667503I don't even think they have it in stock right now, otherwise I might have tried it.
>>61667503Ive run about 300 rounds of it, It shoots like wolf, a little dirty, but I like the nonmagnetic projectile. Allows me to shoot at steel without the fudds getting mad, definitely worth the price point imo, also should help drive down prices as a whole
>>61667397Draco, no contest
>>61668072How do you SBR a draco? It looks like it would be a pain in the ass to attach a stock.
Send it to an AK gunsmith and they will drill out the old rivets and replace the trunnion. Use can use a JMAC trunnion that fits the Draco pattern rivets or they can weld up the old lower hole and use a standard pattern trunnion. If you're handy you can do it yourself relatively easy, just buy a toth tool rivet tool or a recreator long rivet jaws and an AK Builder rivet drill guide. You don't need a drill press. I'm sure some people weld on 1913 rails but that feels like jank to me.
Is the Zastava M77 good or a meme gun? Worth the price or should I look elsewhere?
>>61666032works
>tfw never ever
Is the type 3 superior to the Type 2 or is it just lighter and cheaper? I always wonder if the T2 would be successful on the commercial market today if it was mass produced
>>61668471The differences between the types 2 and 3 are pretty minor. I don't think it would move the needle enough to make an impact.
>>61668082just do it yourself. no need to send it to a gunsmith. https://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/AK-PISTOL-STOCK-ADAPTER-TYPE-2-STORMWERKZ-37p13153.htm
>>61668175the absolute state of WBPollocks.
I have a posp scope with one of the 1000m reticles. The issue: I have a 7.62x39mm rifle, and yes, the correct mount for the ak side rail. Anyway. What is a good general range to zero it at since the BDC is going to be atrociously off on account x39 has the trajectory of a thrown stone. Pic related
>>61661105AkJohn does good work.
>shoot 40 rounds of m67 yesterday >shoot around 90 rounds of non corrosive ammunition before and after the m67>in 24 hours I still have rust starting to form in my muzzle brake, on piston, in gas tube, and in barrel. Fuck corrosive ammo.
>>61669064>no not that kind of forged>even though it's literally never had issuesabsolute state of nonWBPers
>>61669160I have to agree with this. WBP has sold a fuckton of rifles in the last 6 years and nobody has any problems with them. They probably have the best sales to problems ratio of any manufacturer of AK
>>61669198>WBP has sold a fuckton of riflessource?
Are Beryls not cool anymore? Don't really care, still getting one. But I wanted to know.
>>61669301I think they're cool and I'm also going to get one.
>>61669149>he didn't piss down the barrel and on the breechYou have only yourself to blame
>>61658159That's nonsense. If a woman is physically attracted to you you can talk about whatever you want and she won't care, she's still attracted. If she's not attracted it doesn't matter if you have the most interesting opinions and knowledge in the world, she won't care, she's still not attracted. The words from a woman's mouth are the least trustworthy parts about her; she'll say whatever she thinks is necessary for the present condition/company.
>>61669198>sold a fuckton>only excusively imported and sold online through two companies>not sold in standard gun shops>normies don’t even know what WBP isBut it’s okay right because Robski said it was good to go! Which he also said about the VSKA by the way.
>>61667397You are probably aware they are all great functioning guns and probably wont give you any issues down the line. I feel like the Ill throw the Zastava M92 in because similarities to the SAM7K, they're gonna be your best bet if you want to get a plug and play system as far as sbring it goes. However the Mini Jack and Draco are going to give you problems if you dont want to bolt a pic rail to the back. If you are interested in the draco or jack and are ok with getting the work done then go right ahead. Also the mini jack, draco, and m92 have underfolder trunnions and are going to be the easiest to get an underfolder on.
>>61669149For that stupid reason I work on cheap rust inhibitor flushes against black powder and corrosiv ammo rusting. Kind if Ballistol on Fentanyl
>>61654602Zastava says don't mess with your gun by installing shitty non-yugo pattern after market "upgrade" triggers.https://youtu.be/9CZu-DqQ4YA?si=BCxs2TpTKOCtvuJ1&t=746
>>61658159If they like you, they’ll take an interest in what you like. My ex used to ask me questions about guns and let me sperg out all the time because she knew I loved to talk about it. Was really sweet <3
>>61669975Hey Lube, does Ballistol work well against corrosive residues as-is or do you have to mix it with water like someone said? I never had to shoot corrosive before but soon may have to
>>61667391>desirable ones pop up for like 3000-3500. Just remember that outside of the states they are considered mid to low tier.Right... I could walk into the store tomorrow and buy one for €500 and I still don't want toNorinco accuracy varies a lot from rifle to another but there are no other issues with them that I know of
>>61670156>american trigger group needed 5x the force to reset>may cause damage or injuryso, fine tuning or shitty parts?
>>61670794Most aftermarket triggers have a terrible profile, I could believe it requiring a few times more force to push it back.
>>61669101Bumping for halp
>>61667354no ESLtard, you bought the high and will only ever lose money on it
>>61670479yes it does, you need to get a small bottle (fruit juice...) amd mix 1part Ballistol with 3 parts water and shake it up, you end up with a emulsion looking like milk or similar to tge 2 on the left in pic related. Instead of wasting all that to flush you gonna bring a 2nd larger bottle if water with you to to the main flush work in 2 steps. >rinse 1 time, wait 30s>rinse 2nd time>rinse 3rd time with Ballistol blendR1&2 will flush dissolve and flush out most corrosiv salts and Ballistol will neutalize leftover acids and leave a weak rust protection so you can bring the gun Home for a deep clean. What you see in my image are industrial emulsions for cutting amd cooling fluids, here you can just mix around the 1:50 ratio and its still stronger than Ballistol (also fuckton cheaper). The steel wool kind of sits in the water for 3-4days without rusting. The rusty water is only 12h rusting and the clear solution is 3-4days steel wool and 12h steel pipe with ni rusting, but thats rather a rust inhibitor fir closed cooling systhems but its try gold to protect closed and tiny spaces like a gas tube... Im now going to make rocket candy with sulfur and salt added to simulate corrosiv ammo,lol
>>61669504>piss has ammonia and salt in it.>this doesn't make it corrode faster
>>61671418I would just zero at 100 and do the maff to figure out what the holdovers and bdc cam become. Or do the maff first and see if a different zero makes the bdc more useful.
>>61671703its depending on food and time of the day, but mostly tze pH of piss acidic-neutral and not good to remove acids. But its close to pH 7 so using piss to flush out a gun might be better than doing nothing, pure water should be better desu
>>61658037gorgeous. polytech legend?
>>61668173It's a very light and handy battle rifle, but it groups like shit and you will probably have to fiddle with it to get it run comfortably:>will have to replace gas cup if you don't wan't it to beat itself (and you) to death>will have to file inside the bolt carrier because there is a casting defect that drags on the spring>CSSpec mags are doodoo: might have to file the lugs to keep them from getting hung up in trigger guard because they're really sharp - get surplus if you can.>Surplus M70 stock a non-starter as it will fuck up your face with cheekslap>Finish is kinda weak: its nice looking, but corrodes quickly if you don't keep it oiled and might have to paint it>surplus mags aren't long enough for projectiles over 168gI don't care what bob sled said he got for groups - I couldn't get one to hold under 4 MOA for like 6 different loadings and many others on The Files also get similar results. Treat it like an alternative to a PTR or FAL and I think you'll be way less disappointed.
>>61671857Yeah, for the price I think they're reasonable for a neat different .308, but Zastava appears unable to make an accurate rifle. At least it's not their shit ass psl91 for $3k.
>>61671709From what I've heard zeroing the top chevron at 100 makes all the other points drop into their respective holds in 100m increments with x39. It don't see how considering his is calibrated for the 54r. But someone smarter than me designed this shit.
>>61669597it hurts how true this is.
>>61671857why is the M90 known for being heavy, but the M77 is known as light?
>>61672016cause niggas have been conditioned for the last 30 years to think every 5.56 is categorically light and 7.62 = heavy. Thus, anything above 6.5 pounds for 5.56 is heavy
>>61672036thanks anon
>>61671938How would someone even think that is possible?
>>61667282I kinda want one of the psa spiker ak's because I know I'll never be able to afford and original. Are they worth it, or shit?
>>61672016The M90 is straight up heavier than the M77. Zastava chose to the use the same barrel OD for the M77, M90, and M70: this means barrels with bigger ID's are just going to be lighter.
>>61672036The M90 is almost 9 pounds dry with surplus furniture. For a 22 cal, that would be considered a fail even in the 1970's.
>>61672189Googoogaga little bitch nigga lift some weights
>>61671938>>61672078Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're supposed to zero at 100 with 54r as it is. Besides it has a much flatter trajectory, that would never make sense.Use a ballistic calc to figure out what the offsets should be, or better yet it's probably already documented. Then plug those numbers into the calculator to find what an x,y,z holdover on x39 is with a 36,50,100,etc zero.
>>61669257>>61669755ask Arms of America and Atlantic. WBP sends a lot of rifles overseas to here. Pretty damn popular if you ask me.
PSA has tula for 50 cprhttps://palmettostatearmory.com/tula-7-62x39-122gr-fmj-20rd-box-ul76201.html
>>61654579Regarding triangle folder pouches, are tthe Rifle Dynamic ones good to go on the triangle brace folder? Any other manufacturers out there?
>>61672164So they use all the same gas block front sight etc? I know the rear sight would be different due to caliber graduations
>>61673041M90 and M77 share the same gas block and possibly even the same sight leaf (different from M77). Front/rear sight blocks and HG retainers are probably the same on all 3.
>>61673449*(different from M70)
>>61673449Rear sight block is what changes the bdc, only reason to change sight leaf is if one was notched to 800 and one to 1000, for some reason.
>>61673449>>61673531Or if they have an rpk windage adjustable leaf on some.
does a decent 104 clone exist yet
How is everybody's monday? Just got this new VSKA from Century Arms!
>>61674339KUSA is alright. Not sure how well it will hold up long term. A used Arsenal 107CR would probably be your best bet.
>>61674540Low effort trolling should be a bannable offenseAlso this image has been reposted so many times, it's not even funny
>>61674569>Arsenal 107CR>discontinuedgoddamn. why did arsenal stop making all the cool shit?
>>61674599
>>61674624>goddamn. why did arsenal stop making all the cool shit?because they couldn't be arsed to do it
>>61674842HUHHH????? asriel got the glickky tho????
>>61674842cute :)
>>61670794American AK triggers are shitty parts because they are designed to drop into any AK instead of being properly made for one specific type of AK. Then the American trigger manufacturer has the audacity to advertise their trigger as an "upgrade" despite the fact thats its just a mediocre "jack of all trades master of none" gun part.Not to mention that all of the American after market AK trigger companies make their triggers way too hard and they deform bolt carriers as a result.
>>61654579So if you're not an enthusiast and you want an AK just because, is there anything wrong with just buying a cheapo from PSA?
>>61675023What AKs take non standard triggers anon, please school us.
>>61675039Just get a WASR-10
>>61675044Dubs of truth
>>61675039PSA cuts corners to save on cost. If youre okay with those cost cutting measures, then what is wrong?
>>61675073Waiting for the rivet retard to come out the woodwork
>>61672094Go to the polytech website and buy one of their spiker front sight bayonet assemblies and attach it to whatever AK you want. Just as inauthentic as buying a PSA imitation but cheaper and you can outfit a AK that is actually good with such a bayonet.https://polytechparts.com/polytech-front-sight-base-bayonet-assembly-in-the-white/Or just burn your money on PSA dont matter to me
>>61675073Kind of my thinking. Its not going to be my main girl, just a little something to round out the collection and bring some diversity to range trips. I doubt it will even break 1000 rounds per year. I was just wondering if there is anything better at the bottom end of the market. I dont really want to spend a grand like >>61675044 suggested. I'm saving up to get a decent Galil because thats something I dont mind spending money on. >but Im thankful for the suggestion
>>61675100It's $800
>>61675100This. New WASRs go for $800 on fuddbroker. You can even find them cheaper if theyre used. Since it sounds like a beater for you, used should be fine for you.
>>61675112>>61675123Ok, I guess I'll start looking then. Anything to watch out for?
>>61675132It's a WASR, it's like a toyota, ain't nothing wrong with it.
>>61675042Nta but only the Sako M92S comes to mind. The geometry is a bit different so you need to do a lot of fitting if you want to stick a Sako trigger (which is great) into a normal AK
>>61675100Just save for the galil>>61675243Fair, not too surprising since the galil that's based on the rk needs modification too. Still, these 2 exceptions don't disprove the point.
>>61675078can you put this on a WASR? an M77?
>>61675132>Anything to watch out for?Go to guns.com everyday and type "10/63" into the search box. Anytime one turns up for $700 or less then buy it.Guns.com is the best place to buy used guns because only FFL's are allowed to sell on their website, so you are less likely to run into Bubba there. Also, you don't need to use money orders or get scammed because guns.com is smart enough to actually support the use of credit cards.
>>61675534I decided to follow my own advice and check guns.com and it looks like someone is selling a serviceable beater WASR 10/63 right now if anyone is interested. First come first serve.https://www.guns.com/firearms/rifles/semi-auto/romarm-cugir-wasr-10-63-7-62x39mm-30-rounds-16-5-barrel-used?p=1285158
>>61675497Idk if it will fit a WASR or Zastava out of the box, but if you are willing to build the barrel up with a welder or turn the barrel down on a lathe then it can certainly be made to fit any AK barrel if it does not fit by default. If the tolerance is just barely off you could just enlarge the inside of the bayonet front sight post to fit the barrel as well.Do any experts know the outer diameter of a Norinco barrel vs. other manufacturers barrels?
>>61675573>servicable
>>61675573what happened to it
>>61675674bubba dropped it in battery acid and remembered it a few years later when he needed money
>>61675626Problem?>>61675674Bubba was probably going to refinish it but gave up and sold it when he realized he would have to press it apart in order to do so.
>>61675674Bubba pissed on it to clean it
Are there any based alternatives to fuddbroker.com?
>>61676097people who buy and sell guns are faggots, the hobby is full of boomers, micro dicks, redditors etc.No there is no alternative
>>61676097Not really, there are sites that let you buy used guns, but not anything like gunbroker. You can find good deals on there if you look long enough and are willing to watch a bid and do money orders etc.
Was interested in picking up a 5.56 Beryl soon. Was seeing some shit about poor accuracy? Anyone here have any experience like this?
>>61676120I somewhat agree. Eventually you have faggots who will buy up entire stocks of rare or niche items just to spike the prices *cough mac *cough
>>61656705Damn, and the best one he could have written about the Ukrainian he pulled the plug on for fear of cancelation.
>>61671703He's just a fool repeating fuddlore, they'd say that or index but ghats just because info wasn't as readily available there's no excise now though. You literally just have to hose down your ducking rifle just get it wet, dunk it in water whatever. Muh corrosive salts, literally just throw it on the ground and hose it down.
>>61675023Deform bolt carriers is a non issue you are a bitch who doesn't shoot and never watched the old Rob ski ak tests. It's normal and happens with factory triggers. Fuck you fuddlore spreader new age pussy.
>>61677514So why does my gun that says “Made in Russia by Izhmash” not have any after thousands of rounds?
>>61677514>deforming your out of battery safety is a non-issue and is perfectly normalSure bud. Use a little more profanities in your next reply and maybe you will convince me this time.
>>61677492>the best one he could have written about the UkrainianI bought that book that has been since published by another house and it was a massive letdown. It's barely like a after vacation report by a fifth grader who "was close" to the fighting during the least intensive part of the conflict.
>>61678281>fifth gradermeant "written by a fifth grader"
>>61678071The carrier tail isn't an out of battery safety, it's just to reset the hammer. Your 2 pin gun has no out of battery safety whatever, cope and seethe.
>>61677473Mishaco does that to.
>>61678853>to.
>>61671857I was looking at the M77 as well, but they're too expensive for what they are right now. For $500 more you can get a Galil ACE 308 that has a free-float handguard, folding M4 stock, two-chamber brake, railed dust cover, and better mags all out of the box. You will dump a lot more than $500 into an M77 just to get it to that point. If Zastava sold the M77 stripped as a "barreled receiver" for under $1k, it would be a lot more attractive. The biggest downside of the Galil ACE is that there's no gas adjustment unless you install a reddit piston.
>>61661195What is that dong furniture?
>>61661870>he paid $3k for a "russian" (american) ak
>>61669755a $900 WBP rifle is better than any ak you own, how does it feel? :)
>>61674842>>61674540You're living in a flyover state and that's not your house.
>>61676611They group like 3 MOA with M193 and 1.5 MOA with Hornady Match 75g. From a bag, mind you.They're fine.
>>61680948How many have you tested? My experience with AK accuracy has always been that every barrel is a crapshoot.>>61680416Considering their accuracy I figure you buy an m77 for the classic ak style, not to modernize or turn it into a heavier and less accurate ar10.
>>61680989>Considering their accuracy I figure you buy an m77 for the classic ak style, not to modernize or turn it into a heavier and less accurate ar10.Yeah if you just want to keep it in wood furniture and throw a scope on it, it's cheaper. It has gas adjustment that can be upgraded with the aftermarket puck for a lot less than a KNS piston. To accurize it, you would have to freefloat the barrel and most likely replace the slant compensator anyway. I also prefer folding stocks, because an AK with a 19" barrel and a fixed stock is very long. The ACE is just more accurate and compact out of the box.
>>61680989>anecdotes don't count!You could say the same thing about AR's - manufacturers, caliber, taper, process, coatings, twist rate, gas length, crown, and loadings are what actually drive performance - not the platform name. Considering Beryls all come from one factory, that reduces the variables quite a lot and you're never going to see good statistical power online from a model that's only going to have a low five figures imported ever. Anecdotes are all you are going to get.If you browse the Beryl thread on The Files, there's about 3-4 people that have actually grouped their rifles and that's the range they get. Some have claimed 1 MOA with 77g, but I've never seen the groups and some claim consistent 4-5 MOA based on rumors and never posted proof. I have personally seen 1.5 to 7.0 MOA between about 10 different loadings, with the median loading being about 3 MOA (the massive group came from using tula kek).
>>61678678>The carrier tail isn't an out of battery safety, it's just to reset the hammer.Bro, do you even AK? Like frfr no cap?
>>61681150Not saying they don't count, just asking. I have grouped multiple saigas and gotten wildly different performance.
heads up /akg/, Atlantic just dropped the next batch of FEG Dragunovs. didnt notice it last time but no bayo lug
>>61681425The MAC disaster gun in the flesh for the low price of nine thousand dollars with a cool chance to have your credit card info stolen by an Atlantic employee to boot.
>>61681333No doubt: Izmash is basically a city, has been through several large re-orgs in recent memory, and they offer a shitload of guns in wildly different configurations under the Saiga brand name.
>>61681477good ol MAC, the greedy turd himself. was posting it to keep you all informed. Though Ive never had a problem purchasing from atlantic or PSA in the past 4 years
>>61681333My Saiga is just ultra finicky. It will group extremely well with Barnaul (I can get 8 out of 10 shots within 3 MOA easily and that's with irons), but it refuses to group at all with anything brass cased. Well, almost. Norma groups at 5-6 MOA and Sako at 3-4 but Geco and S&B are all over the target with some misses at 150
>>61681425>8,5k for a tigrJesus that is grimWhat is even their reasoning for shipping those rifles with hideous FSB when they are obviously izhmash tigrs? I doubt the fsb alone will throw the atf off their tails in the long run.
>>61681640Dipshit are you new? How much do you think a tigr cost before these were imported into the u.s ?
>>61681668I'm not too well versed in burger prices but I remember from like 6-7 years ago that tigrs were around 4-5k and ndms were around 8-10k
>>61681640>they are obviously izhmash tigrs?I have compared plenty of pictures online and I'm sure the frame, and most of the main components are izhmash, but a lot of the smaller stuff like safety, gas block etc might actually be made by FEG as it's quality is dogshit compared to the real stuff.
>>61681219You are so fucking stupid so ak ignorant you can actually benefit and be educated by a Brandon Herrera video. Other anon is right, your semi auto ak does not have an oob safety you are dumb as fuck https://youtu.be/Ewf3LLGYtyo?si=--UZmvocyk8422iZHere, your education begins at the 11:20 mark
>>61681668a real tigr unironically costed less
>>61678071Oof, further proof that owning things doesn't mean you actually know shit about them. Hey buddy you know how theres many people in the United States that own cars but dont know the first thing about them? That's you but with ak's.
On the M77 discussion other anons were having. I have been considering an M77 as well mainly as a poor mans M76. Since, t m k, the only real diffetences between the two is caliber, the stamped rather than milled receiver, and the barrel is two inches shorter. I think I would have gotten one already if the barrel was the same length.
>m77 has no bayonet lug>m76 has a more forward mounted scope rail(better imo)I'm forgetting the rest but thats what jumps out to me
>>61681921meant to link>>61681847
>>61681847>>61681921Jewlantic was selling some M76 kit builds on Tortort receivers last week, but they sold out instantly.
>>61681930Fuuuuck
>>61681793> dude trust me
>>61681946Last I checked kits and receivers weren't hard to find, but you'll be spending way more money. Ammo cost too, unless you want to run the super cheap sketchy shit in your new ~3k ""precision"" rifle
>>61681946I'm kinda interested in the Riley 308C (psuedo m77b milled rifles). I know Riley is garbage but stillhttps://atlanticfirearms.com/riley-defense-yugo-m77b-rifle
>>61682038>Riley >Nitride barrel>Russian rather than Yugo scope mountanon..
Does anyone that has a FB brake speak to how well it works? Seems to me that the 4 o'clock port does nothing but push the rifle up and into the least supported area of the gun for a right-handed shooter.
>>61682038They seem neat, the only annoying thing is they take unique mags which are a different pattern from what's used in the current m77 stamped imports.>>61682252as opposed to the originals, which had untreated bores...
>>61682440>as opposed to the originals, which had untreated bores...The mentality was the soldier was supposed to clean the rifle right after firing anyway. I don't agree with the Yugo mentality on that and given their current prouction rifles all have it means they realized the error in their ways. Civilian rifles I want some chome lining too because Fuddly do rights and the tacticool larpers both insist cleaning your firearm is pointless then wonder why their barrels in their milsurp looks like a sewer pipe after 6 weeks.
>>61682476Nitriding will also prevent rust - the main distinction is that chrome-lined bores tend to hold up better under heat from sustained fire, and nitrided barrels will generally be more accurate.
>>61681976I bought mine in 2015 for 5.5k
>>61682280It doesn't do shit lol - it's for collecting or rifle grenades and that's it.
Thoughts about optics mounted on the gas tube?
>>61682633Despite intuition with heat, they do work and somehow not kill optics. However it makes cleaning a bigger annoyance, makes the gun even more front heavy, and makes it even harder to hold an AK without burning yourself. It's mid unless you use it for a LAM in which case you are based.
>>61682615Fair enough, that is what I was expecting.
>>61682633It's a holdover from like 15 years ago back when the only other way to mount modern optics on an AK was with a MI dovetail mount if your AK came with a receiver side rail. It was popular back when MAK90s were still a popular option. The AK aftermarket back then was pretty much like the AUG aftermarket today. You had to buy such and such part from such and such company, because only they made it.
>>61682695Not that anon, but I want side rails to go the way of the dodo also. The rear sight replacement options and the dust cover mounts from TWS and others have rendered the siderail a pointless feature unless you are trying to make muh hekkin clone correct rifle or w/e.
>>61682824The TWS dust cover is a flimsy piece of shit
>>61654579got an aims-74 kit and a 556 barrel, is the original muzzle brake decent or where can I find a compatable 22m threaded brake? Should I say screw it and get the barrel threaded for compatable?
>>61683153cant grammar tonight, I meant to say get the barrel threaded for compatabilitys sake. If I have to do that ill get get one of those combo blocks ...
>>61682833Works on my machine :)))
>>61682833I just put one on mine and its pretty firm and there is zero play on the dust cover.
>>61681715I'm not watching your video, but I can assure you that Brandon is just as wrong as you are. If you want to swap the good trigger in your zastava with a shitty aftermarket one then go right ahead and do so. Not my gun not my problem.Stay mad, Anon.
>>61654602You are correct and Century Arms triggers and bolt carriers are the gold standard for top AK performance. You should go to the Century Arms website and buy a trigger group and bolt carrier as soon as possible.>>61682633>Thoughts about optics mounted on the gas tube?Its the best thing ever and the only way to mount an optic to an AK47 in the modern era. You should swap your rifle over to such a configuration ASAP in my opinion.
>>61682476Yugoslavia made the decision never to produce bimetal jacket ammo. I'm thinking that has something to do with the lack of chrome.
>>61683153im also giving ita bulgy folding rear trunnion
>>61682824Nah I like them because I have a lot of AKs, and it makes it easy to move optics around instead of buying expensive railed hinging dust covers for all of them.
Ok I like this one
BLACK TIP BROS WW@???https://youtu.be/a5WMd6mtso4
>>61681946I wonder if it's true out of stock or if they were surprised by the interest so they're doing the old Atlantic "out of stock this week while we ship and back next week with a higher price."
>>61672627shut the fuck you stupid faggot
>>61683153It's basically a copy of a 74 brake, should be breddy gud. Cnc warrior is the only place that might make anything in 22mm.If you want to do something else and not have an 86 clone you can sell the block and brake for big money.
>>61683762I mean, buying siderail mounts from the likes of RS or Master Mount are going to set you back like $160, which is basically the cost of a TWS dogleg. The covers themselves are actually easily swapable: they're held in place with a captive pin.
>>61682557>>61682476Nitrided barrels are better civilians 99% of the time but AK consumers are too retarded to accept it.
>>61684987Why would you buy those when a Belarusian chunk of steel is less than half that
>>61682833Although it was solid on mine, I am doubtful about its long term performance. The Russian Zenitco solution with the B-33 looks a lot sturdier.
>>61680770My $600 WASR will outlast your $1000 commercial billet rifle.
>>61685339Glocks are nitrided, they call it Tennifer or something like that, and people always praise how durable, rust free and indestructible they are. But you nitride a barrel on an AK and people act like nitride means pot metal. It’s so stupid.
>>61685487Neither of you cunts shoot so your guns will probably last forever
>>61660897except for the part where they're not normal akms, they have rpk receivers which necessitate different furniture and making everything a hassle, not to mention making a front-heavy rifle even worse in that respectzastavas will never be good to go because they use rpk receivers >>61661305it's no deeper than "dong hehehe"
>>61685578Never seen people defend billet so much. Bet you wouldn’t go out and buy a Riley defense…
>>61684363You’re the faggot retard, get the fuck off the internet.
>>61685763Post groups
>>61683559
fuck all you hoes, Detroit till I die motherfucker
>>61681794>OofReddit moment.>>61685763>Never seen people defend billet so much. Bet you wouldn’t go out and buy a Riley defense…/k/ is being raided right now. This entire thread is people trying to talk about AK's and one or two assmad clowns just jumping in and attacking people for no reason.
>>61684459Ill keep that in mind then. I don't want to make a complete abomination butthe more I think about it, the more I like the ak74 fsb and gas block aesthetic vs the aims 74. Would confuse a few though when they see that upswept charging handle and my planned side folding trunnion on the same gun...
>>61685339>>61685499Replacing a barrel on an AK is a pain in the ass: it might as well be durable as possible as you're effectively stuck with the barrel for the life of the gun.Pistols are a retarded comparison: they're comparably very low velocity and pressure so don't really wear anything anyways...and you'll never notice reduced performance until it starts keyholing because they're used at like 25 yards and in anyways. This is why comp shooters can get away with tens if not hundreds of thousands of rounds before burning out barrels in pistols and it's literally a ten second job to change most of them.AR's are similar in that even if the barrel does wear out or have some failure, it's easy just to replace the barrel and often you don't even need to do anything with headspace. It's easy mode so there is way more tolerance for shitty barrels.
>>61685347because i'm a weight weenie and give a shit about height over bore.
>>61687090>as you're effectively stuck with the barrel for the life of the gun.No you aren'tAny competent gunsmith can do a barrel swap even if it isn't a kitchen table job like an AR barrel
Is the PSA AK-V a shit or good enough for a range toy
>>616870907,62/39 is pretty low pressure, bfv has said some barrels last longer than trunnions
>>61687154lol. lmao. have fun waiting 6 months for your barrel job. the majority of gun smiths don't even have a hydraulic press, let alone know how to work on AKs.
>>61687297and what where the barrels made out of in those examples?
>>61687316Does it matter, when chrome outlasts a dozen receiver repairs and the locking lugs of the action it seems like it might be a tad unnecessary. How many times have you welded your cracking AK receiver, never probably, so it doesn't matter.
>>61687358How many rounds has a nitrided barrel AK made it at BFV?
New AK slop just dropped, apparently made in Italy
>>61687542>folded sheet metal held together with at least 10 screws>still standard length>can't take gas tube off for cleaningInto the fuckit bucket it goes
>>61687310I live in Finland and most smiths here could probably turn out an AK from scratch
>>61687669>live in a country that literally adopted an AK as it's primary service weapon for decades>is easy to find people that service AKsYou don't say, anon.
>>61687542The wood stuff looks pretty nice and isn't insane priced desu
>>61687723Not my problem if a country of 300 million doesn't have a single gunsmith worth the title. I will probably get my Saiga rebarreled next year with a Lapua chamber so it can shoot brass case worth a damn
>>61685824>spoon feed me info and validate my every little purchase because I'm too much of a fat faggot to google. Kill yourself you stupid nigger.
>>61687828You live in a country that the population size might as well be a sampling error. It's very cool for you and nobody else.>Verification not required.
>>61687815It's plywood though
>>61687828>has access to LapuaHey, fuck you buddy.Yeah finding a competent smith is nigh impossible, basically every ak specific place the ak community likes has examples of horrific hackjobs too.
>Operation Fast and Furious >funnel guns straight to cartels>the guns are RAS47sBased...ATF sending pipe bombs to the cartel?
>>61688004Probably returns
>>61662703>>61664145>>61666114Wednesday my dudes!
>>61654579
someone's selling a 550 dollar Cugir Draco somewhat nearby. Really tempted by it but i already have a bulged 92.
>>61688915You can make your money back worst case, they want like $800-$900 for a basic bitch Draco now
>>61688963yea, but idk. I'd rather have a full sized wasr to put this old romt furniture on that i've had forever
>>61689168*romy
Is there anything particularly better about Kvar polymer furniture than the PSA equivalent? Specifically asking about the polymer folding stock, I’m wanting to replace the triangle on an Arsenal.
>>61687582>folded sheet metal held together with at least 10 screwsIt's absurd how obsessed western gun and accessory manufacturers are with using screws to hold everything together. Even stunned people like cokeman are unhappy that midwest industries' zentico knockoff kit is held together by over 20 hex head screwshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0j4g024cKkWhy are aftermarket companies like this?
Thoughts on AC Unity mags? I might snag some of their 60-rounders and Gen 4 AK-15 lookalikes this weekend if there are any good deals.
I can't stop losing.
>>61687090I notice you didn’t say anything to refute the fact that nitrided barrels are basically 4140 & 4150 CMV barrels (which by the way Yugos never even chrome lined their barrels and they were fine) but they are nitrided which increases the surface hardness to even surpass that of chrome lining. The only things that chrome lining has the advantage of is its heat resistance and rust resistance. But who will honestly be using their AK to do drum mag suppressive fire mag dumps. And nitrided surfaces although aren’t completely rust impervious, their resistance to corrosion is substantial.
>>61690170Apart from their specialty mags, I don't think they're worth the price. For the same price (baring some of the insane sales from RTG trying to get rid of anything AK off his site) you can get the Bulge slabs which are just strictly a better mag.Oh and don't get the bolt hold open mags.
>>61690618isd a shit
I have joined the club. Finally
>>61691444Join the cleaning rod club next
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