Last one: >>7121414A bad sharpener will slow you down and ruin your pencils.A good sharpener is like a fresh breath of air, such as pic.
I got a G-pen and a nib holder. I've been using it and it's pretty cool, the only thing I dislike is that you can't throw a line on any direction you want.
>>7156219I use a knife
>>7156227What if you cut yourself
>>7156229>cut yourselfNGMI, true artists can sharpen their pencils with a knife eyes closed.
>>7156219i love that sharpener, it does eat (more than alternatives) pencils though.
>>7156219I wish they made these in steel. The plastic just gets clunky after a few years of use, and easily breaks. I'd pay good money for a full steel or brass version...
Bought some of pic related off of aliexpress to seeif there's much of a difference between the pro and the academy version. If it's good I'm tempted to buy some if their larger rolls for like 30$. Hopefully not a scam.>>7156219These are really good but the blades in mine rusted after a few months so I can;t decide whether or not I should buy a new one.
Asking again: what's a good mechanical eraser? Preferably something closer to the discontinued PaperMate Erase-It than the smaller Tombow types, but I'll take anything as long as it works well.
>>7156411You mean a click eraser? I just use a Staedtler mars plastic 528 50, I like this one because the erasers don't break.
>>7156227I'm not gonna pull out a knife in a cafe, I would throw shavings all over the place!
>>7156219>using a pencil you need to sharpen>not taking the mechanical pencil pillNGMI
>>7156567I have mechanical pencils and soft and hard leads, but I also use colored pencils for sketching, so I need a sharpener. Besides, I kinda hate sketching with mechanical pencils. I still do it, but I like it less.
what kind of mechanical pencils work BEST for drawing? what kind are unacceptable? how do sleeves and wobbly tip/anti-break factor in?
>>7156723avoid gimmicks like anti breaking and auto feeding or auto sharpen
>>7156728so just a normal drafting pencil?
>>7156735yeah, Pentel Sharp is an all time favourite for many people but I find a thicker pencil more comfortable so I use the Dr Grip
>>7156777>Pentel Sharpdoes the size matter?also with the Dr. Grip, is the shaker okay?
>>7156790it depends on what you use it for, 0.5 is most popular. As for the shaker I don't think it has any advantages over just pressing the button so I just don't use it
>>7156723All that matters is that they're fixed sleeve, and they don't have gimmicks like shakers or the kuru toga.Other than that it's up to your preference but imo the Pentel P20X and Graphgear 500 lines are the most comfortable and reliable.
>>7156723Staedler 2mm lead holder
>>7156561Ideally something like this would be available in a more utilitarian, less pretentious form. It peels the pencil the same way a knife would but the little box catches the shavings.Honestly I’m kind of 50/50 on knife sharpening. Once you learn how to do it it’s pretty much strictly superior to regular sharpeners, and once you get really good at it you can even smooth out the cuts and make the pencils look good instead of carved up. But on the other hand it takes way longer (big deal if you’re sharpening a Prismacolor set or something like that), you need to have something to catch the shavings with, and it’s a pretty repetitive motion (so it strains your thumbs). Also in this clown world even pulling out a pocket knife or such in public might get somebody shrieking at you, so it’s normie-unfriendly.
Redpill me on ArtemirandaLooks shady as shit but I dont see anyone complaining about it
>>7157467Shit like that is how you know the action has become a ritual/fetish.I too used to be a snob about sharpening with a blade but then I started using mechanical pencils more, and sharpening my colored pencils with an electric sharpener.Then I realized I don't draw in atelier style on a full sheet of cheap parer propped on a canvas, so the extended side of the lead you get with knife sharpening was never useful.
>>7157492>shadyLooks like a pretty normal art store to me? The prices don't look crazy to me, you're just getting EU prices for European art supplies. If you look at something that's imported to Spain, like Prismacolor, the prices spike the same way euro art supplies spike in price over here.
Someone should invent refillable fineliners or constant width dip pens.
>>7157560>refillable finelinersCopic had those but they're discontinued. Honestly I don't think it's a bad idea to think about investing in fountain pens if you want fixed line widths and refillable ink.
>>7157562>>7157560Basically tech pens fill that niche, they have less variation than a fineliner but a) it's not that different than a felt tip pen and b) you're directly applying ink to the paper, which is why fineliner ink looks "off" sometimes. But they are a chore to maintain, however you can use tech pen ink with dip pens and refillable brush pens like the Pentel Pocket Brush with no problem. I don't reccomend fountain pens because FP ink tends to be pretty bad, it's often non archival and the ink isn't as intense. But at the end of the day... just stick to Microns. It's the cheapest and most comfortable alternative, they're perfectly good pens and you'll do good stuff with them.
>>7157560They're called rapidographs, are insanely easy to break and you have to use ink specially formulated for them that's only still produced by Parker, Rotring and Staedtler and hard to find offline unless you live near an architecture school.
>>7157576>FP ink tends to be pretty badas an FP geek I'll just say that FP ink is for journaling and writing non-archival letters.
>>7156543I mean an eraser with a clutch advance, like pic related. Though they're also called click erasers in certain markets.>>7156723In my experience medium pencils with slim-to-medium sleeves are more comfortable and functional. A Pentel Twist-Erase III has been my go-to since 2009 and it hasn't let me down yet. It's also the only break resistant pencil that actually works as advertised, though as others said it's not a necessary feature.
>>7157598Koh I Noor and Rotring's drawing ink is pretty much available everywhere even in my 3rd world shithole. Rotring stopped producing the big bottles of it, but KIN still has them available. Rotring discontinued rapidographs in favor of isographs, but iirc KIN, Staedtler and Faber Castell still produce rapidographs (even though they are technically isographs, due to he way you refill them).>>7157622Yeah it's great for writing, I had one. But it's just not good for drawing.
>>7157576>>7157622I see people almost exclusively use fountain pens for art on YouTube though, most notable probably being Peter Han
>>7157733I have that one as well but it's made by Sakura, you can still find that model but sold by other brands. I prefer the Staedtler one and its erasers over anything else, the erasers don't break like the Pentel ones for example.
>>7157902This one.
>>7157896Those people don't care about their art lasting longer than the making of their video since they're entertainers, not artists.
>>7157896>>7158044Most of them use it because it feels like a pencil, but it's an ink tool. They're making sketches they'll throw to the bin later.
>>7157733>>7157949I've been devling into this for a while.Basically there's two kinds of mechanical eraser, clutch erasers like the Rotring here, and click erasers like the Staedtler here.The difference is the clicks have notches so you can only extend the eraser by notch sizes and when it comes to the end of the notches you waste like 1/2" of eraser.The clutch erasers like a clutch pencil you can just press the button and let the eraser fall as long or short as you want and so long as there's a little bit the clutch can hang to you can be as miserly with your eraser as you want.An extra advantage of clutch erasers is you can sharpen the eraser with a pencil sharpener and get a nice point. This doesn't work with click erasers because the hole is static and when the eraser is slimmer than the hole it wobbles like a bitch.An extra disadvantage of click erasers is they only take click eraser sticks, they have a little bump at the end so they can snap to the carrier button. Clutch erasers can take any standard size stick eraser including click eraser sticks.Personally my favorite stick erasers are the Sumo Grip if you don't mind non-standard sticks and the Sakura Nocks for a standard stick clutch.
>>7158044>>7158054Han has piles of sketchbooks drawn with fountain pens though
Fineliners are uncomfortable since you have to hold them mostly upright, and they feel like shit because you are scrubbing a plastic sponge across paper. The problem is that they have such a useful combination of properties - many sizes, dry instantly, waterproof and lightfast.There are archnival fountain pen inks if you need them, and most blacks/browns are lightfast even in dye form.
>>7157560All fineliners are refillable if you take the nib off, you can dramatically extend their lifespan this way and keep using them until the nib dies
>>7156219What's the best blender and burnishing pencils for colored pencil?I'm just gorilla gripping pencils together right now but it feels wasteful.
>>7157949those eraser pens are silly . all you need is a regular square eraser. it does everything. staedtler is good though.
>>7156219this sharpener should be remade into Steel by Germans or Americans.The Japanese company that made these market these to exclusively Japanese 20+ yo women.
>>7156561You could whittle your pencil in the urinal. >>7157467>>7157536If I were doing a whole prismacolor set from flat, I would sharpen them all with a sharpener first. But for the few pencils I use for sketching, I sharpen with a knife. It allows you to get exactly what you want and lead never breaks if you aren’t retarded. I did this before I ever heard about that atelier shit.
>>7158087>fineliners are uncomfortable since you have to hold them mostly uprightFor this reason, I prefer a somewhat larger size (0.2, 0.3). Used with decent speed and finesse, lines can be quite fine. You can use them at a much sharper angle than a 0.05.
>>7158871If It was "made in América" it would be trash steel from Vietnam and cost $60
>>7158170Only if you have good ink tho.I filled a Micron with india ink and it worked for two hours then clogged and became useless.Others I filled with liquid watercolor and fountain pen ink did work.
>>7158058Thanks. Everything you listed is exactly why I'm so interested in them.>Personally my favorite stick erasers are the Sumo Grip if you don't mind non-standard sticks and the Sakura Nocks for a standard stick clutch.I actually looked into those before, but it seems like the Sumo Grip was discontinued and is unavailable online, and the Sakura Nocks are just as rare. Unless there's some sites I'm not aware of.>>7158835>Precision is sillySure, you could always cut up a block eraser and carve it to your preferences, but not everyone wants to do that.
I got my Maru nibs in the mail today.
>>7159900Yeah the Sakura Nocks is only available in Japan and fucking Malaysia and Phillipines it seems. I got mine from Aliexpress in a 3 pack for $10 plus $5 shipping or something. Which is way more than the 400 yen a piece they cost, but unless you're gonna go wandering into Ginza Itoya anytime soon, it's acceptable to scratch off that itch. Since they're three different colors I color coded my eraser shape. The red sharpened to a point, the blue cut into a chisel and the black rounded off by use.
I was told Crayola are good training pencils for the Polychromos since they're hard cored and need to be layered to get good coverage. Is that true or am I getting crabbed?
My kneaded eraser keeps leaving gray shit on my paper
>>7160017Do you just roll it across your paper like a fool? May be a little humid in your location. The oil in the kneaded eraser can clog the paper pores I believe.
>>7160017You licked it, didn't you?
I got stadler noris coloured pencils as a gift how good are they?I am using them and they seem ok but I am not good with colored pencils so is there any tutorial on colored pencils?
>>7159930Nice. Just ordered myself some new nibs as well.Wanted to try something different than my G nibs or my Tama's. Probably not going to bother using the pen holders though since I have plenty and the plastic Speedball ones feel uncomfortable.
anyone use these watercolor 'inks' I know Toriyama was a fan, but I'm not sure how different it is to normal watercolor.
>>7158054how the fuck does a fountain pen feel like a pencil?
>>7160670They're student grade so hard and lightly pigmented. But I like the colors and mostly use them for sketching and details.You won't be able to get decent hyperrealistic drawings out of them but they're more than good enough for anime and cartoony styles imo
>>7160690They're called liquid watercolors but they're not pigment based, they're just color dyes, similar to Copics.
>>7160690I had a one a few years ago. It wasn't very pigmented and it wasn't lightfast, which was a problem made worse from the bottle itselfbeing clear so that when I went to paint with it the result was a washed out, dilluted look. Traditional watercolor is a much better product and I'd buy smoother paper if you wanted the look of the liquid variety (or maybe markers if you like the look of colored manga).
>>7160779Thing is illustrators don't care about lightfastness. They're gonna go through those bottles in a month and their work is getting scanned immediately after completion to then be put in a binder in the office never to be seen again.Artists care about lightfastness because the originals are the product, illustrators don't because the art is for a mass market reproduction product.So if you want intense colors to photograph/scan and maybe sell prints of, stop worrying about that shit. Copics, dyes and cheap color pencils have bright bold colors that no lightfast product can imitate.If you want your work to last 300 years stop being dumb and do oils.
>>7160983>Thing is illustrators don't care about lightfastness.Fair enough. But it still doesn't seem worth it when the bottle I bought wasn't very pigmented when it was new. At that point I'd unironically suggest buying printer ink bottles instead. It's a better value to buy a CMYK set than it would be to buy a dozen tiny bottles for 80 dollars.
>>7160983the flip side is that you don't actually need bright bold colors for reproductions in 2024 because the tech is better and you can just adjust whatever you want digitally with zero effort or cost so in practical terms you gain nothing and lose the original
Outside of flourescents, modern chemistry has a complete range of lightfast pigments with sear-your-eyes level chroma.Water or alcohol soluble dyes are still a problem but there is no barrier for any other medium to not be completely lightfast.The truth iis that 98% of art supplies are using color recepies from 80 years ago and if anything changes artists will sperg out and throw a nuclear level tantrum.
>>7161385doubt.jpgmaterials get worse all the time and there are entire pigments that are a different color now because the original site got mined out and the new one's a different color at worst there'd be a few years of mild annoyance
>>7161489Shit ton of paint has changed just because it was mildly poisonous.And yet they feed us flouride in water.
>>7161615I can't believe they took away uranium yellow, hansa and cadmium are fucking shit. SHIT!
Thoughts on these? I got a 12b and it really is (almost) matt, what's the catch?
>>7161615> And yet they feed us flouride in water.Birth control pill residues are known to affect the male to female ratio in fish population in rivers...> Nature: so you want to have the joy of sex without those pesty kids???> lemme fuck things up a little
>>7161629More coal less clay.
>>7161652Is that a bad thing? It's not any darker than my regular pencils, it's observably grey, just less shiny.
>>7161215Also this. There's no point in using an inferior product if you don't have to.
>>7161667That's... the whole purpose of this line of pencil: to be less shiny.I've got a few of those but haven't toyed with them just yet. I don't have a really high B though.
>>7161629They aren't matte, pointless endeavor.
>>7161629I have the tin with the full range. They’re noticeably waxier, >>7161652 is brain damaged, this isn’t a carbon pencil, the matte effect is clearly a product of adding more wax to the binder. Besides the feel of the pencil you can see this by comparing papers, the toothier the paper the more binder gets stuck in the tooth along with the graphite, the more matte your lines become. On smooth paper or cardstock it’s only marginally less shiny than regular graphite.Anyway, they’re okay. I like the thicker, softer cores, the deeper blacks when you get to 10-12-14b, and the matte effect. I can’t get used to the waxy laydown though, it feels too much like colored pencil compared to the regular Castell 9000s, which go down silky smooth. You also run through them way faster than the regular 9000s, because the cores are so soft. An HB 9000 will last me 2+ months of daily drawing until it’s a nub, the Matt version will last half of that. Oh and of course if you like harder ranges forget about them, these only go down to HB, and the half-tin of 6 starts at 2b.
Niggas, what's a good electrical (horizontal) sharpener bellow 100€?>>7160690I'ts going to be really fun when in a matter of a couple of years these people check back on their drawings and everything faded away.>7161629anon, think, please think.How is a pencil made of graphite matte? Graphite is shinny anon! Just means it's graphite mixed with something else, so it really isn't graphite!
>>7156219My beloved.With a Pilot Precise V5 for my ballpoint.
>>7159984Thanks for the heads up. Never used Aliexpress before, but I'm definitely checking this out.
>>7162026brush mogs the hardtip fudenosuke
>>7162063The trick is to check the store's page before ordering.Ali is like Amazon. And just like Amazon, if the store you're buying from is a stationery store with stationery stuff at good but realistic prices, it's legit. If the store you're buying from is full of random novelty/luxury shit at absurd prices, it's a scam.
>>7160690if you are willing to pay a bit more, you should go for acrylic inks. Pic rel I use regularly for almost everything. They layer better, are lightfast, and can be used inside of pens for details. The best brand in the market is ROHRER & KLINGNER, but they are way too out of my budget. I have one of their reds
>>7156387Paper arrived today. So far it's pretty nice. It has a rougher texture, it's 1/4 inch larger and is a touch whiter than the academy. Outside of that they're pretty much identical. Can't say one performs better than the other or anything. I'll probably buy the rolls when I run out. Solid purchase.
>half off Windsor Newton Series 7 Brushes on AmazonHoly shit
>>7156241Yes.Every 1st years art student are required to use a knife to sharpening pencil. That's the first lesson of sculpting.If your art school doesn't do that, they are fake.
what ink is actually water and copic proof? Deleter lies there #4 is not copic proof if you are using anything but a very fine nib.I want to layer large areas with a brush and not get smear.
>>7163167>doesn't ship to europe
>>7163341India Ink but you have to make sure it's 100% dry.Some artists leave their art out overnight just to be sure, though if you're impatient you could use a hair dryer to speed up the process.
>>7163167>>7163167Link or exact name? I cant find it. or it just doesnt show the discount to me
thoughts on ohuhu markers?
>>7157467this shit is way to expensiveis there an alternative?
>>7164840A normal fucking sharpener.Be real you never use the side of the lead. And if you do, get a lead holder instead.
>>7164854agreed, i used to get decent sharpeners but then i got one that was school supply tier and it worked wonders. if you ink your art it literally doesn't matter. and if it's a sketchbook, it's likely that you're using that pencil for linework anyways.If that's not good enough just get any box cutter.
>>7164840If you want a lot of lead exposed KUM sharpeners are good for that, but they do have a problem where the holes for the screws get stripped overtime and you can't take the blade out to replace it. This happened to 2 of my sharpeners but the one side that still works is useful for long points.
>>7164840just get a box of industrial razor blades for $10, it will last you a decade, they carve pencils easily, fit in a wallet, sketchbook cover, pocket or wherever and don't draw attentionI have no idea why people use knives and other bulky shit
>>7164824Don't waste your money. They're pretty bad unless you just need a generic sketchbook marker and don't want to go whole hog on Copics
Is it possible to do a beautiful graphite rendering on printer paper, or do I have to work on nicer paper? If so, what nice paper do you recommend? Graphite pencil recommendations?
>>7165254Sanded paper
>>7165254strathmore drawing is fine, 400 series
>>7165269>>7165326thank you frens
>>7165254>Is it possible to do a beautiful graphite rendering on printer paperIt is, but get yourself some strathmore paper or similar. It's not so expensive, and will do the job.The trick for fine graphite drawing, besides proportions, is in the technique you use to handle the graphite. Look around for Bargue plate tutorials, they usually cover the basics. Don't try working from a photo just yet
The Caran d'Ache blender is the best I've tested so far.
Does anyone know if sharpeners/pointers for 1.3mm lead exist? There are 2mm pointers and sharpeners for jumbo pencils, but I've never seen anything for this size.
>>7168106Smooth sand paper.
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What is the absolute cheapest way to get non-shit paper?
>>7169374meaning what
>>7169415Just not copy paper/printer paper.
>>7169417that literally means nothing, nodraw retard
>>7169374If you’re just practicing and not really saving drawings for posterity there’s no reason not to just use a big fat roll of Kraft paper or newsprint.Beyond that, at any paper quality reams of 100+ sheets will always be less expensive than buying sketchbooks.
>>7169374>>7169463speaking of which, i use newsprint for sketching but I want to start doing Robertson's book which requires ballpoint pen. Printer paper sucks ass to draw on so what is a good alternative (preferable larger than a4 something like 11x17 or 12x18)I'm thinking deleter manga paper would be a decent alternative but curious what others use. Bonus if it is also pretty good with graphite.
>>7169463What's a good source of large newsprint for cheap? Can you just use packing paper?
>>7169538you can get rolls which is dirt cheap, but for a little extra pads of newsprint 50 - 100 count are like $5 and you can technically draw on both sides if you are super frugal.
>>7169540seriously though if you are like > newsprint is too expensive, stop now and get a tablet. Trad isn't for you.
I use a lot of printer paper with graphite for practice and there's nothing wrong with it
>>7169537Bristol. Buy sheets and cut them yourself.For cheap sketchbooks I just fold a dozen printer paper sheets in half and staple them together. 90gsm bond goes for $5 a ream.
>>7169813i do love bristol the pads are just expensive so I use it for finished work. how do you cut them cleanly, just a box cutter and a ruler?
Copic or posca markers? Or some third brand?
>>7169951ive only seen posca be used for white out or highlights on top of marker/ink/colored pencil, not sure anyone does illustration work w/ them like they do copics.its also a totally different medium acrylic paint vs alcohol ink, and copic has 300 more colors or so.
>>7169813>>7169820what sheets are you buying the only semi affordable thing compared to pads is rolls but then the paper has a heavy bend.
What’s a good gouache set? I’m tempted to get this one
>>7169988himi gouache works pretty well but you have to be careful, it can be very toxic. I had to drop a few colours that smelled too chemical and would give me headaches. Also they go moldy easily
>>7170000So I should have an open window then? Also how do I keep it fresh to not be moldy? It’s my first time using gouache.
>>7169988It's alright as a starter but they have too much fillers and some colors dry dull and others will fade.
>>7170040Would it be better if it’s in a tube?
>>7169988I'd go for a primary set instead;learning to mix colors is crucial. Pebeo has an okay one, but there are other brands; just don't go for the cheapest.No weird chemical smell either.>>7170014> Also how do I keep it fresh to not be moldyMold will depend upon the pigment, local climate, water quality, and probably other random things. Letting the paint dry usually works: don't try hold it fresh by airtighting it once it's out of the tube. If you paint daily, the paint will never fully dry, and you'll be able to rewet it easily.If it's hard rock dry, you need to work the paint a little bit with a palette knife and water until it goes back to an acceptable consistency.
>>7170072Ohhh okay I understand, thank you. !
>>7169988>>7170000Doesn't it say in the picture that the paint is non-toxic though? I"ve never heard of gouache being dangerous outside of certain pigments, it's not like it has heavy fumes like solvents or anything like that. But if you're concerned anon then maybe buy Arteza instead. It's about the same price as HIMI but it comes in tubes so you only need to pour out small amounts at a time.
>>7169964Gotta go out dude. My local mom and pop stationery shop sells 200gsm 22x28" sheets for $10
>>7170212Like a single sheet? Or how many? Also small businesses are less affordable than the big chains so....
>>7164876I'm not gonna pull out a sharpener called KUM in a cafe, everyone will think I'm gay!
>>7164899ergonomics mostly
>>7156723I have yet to find a better all around pencil for the same price or less
>>7170504my man. Graphgear 500 as well as Sakura Sumo Grip are also very based
Good cheap compact scanner for A4 size?
>>717048520 22x28" sheet packs for $10.One 22x28" sheet for $0.60.50 letter size sheet blocks for $8.You can cut six letter size pieces from the full sheet and will have a chunk of scratch paper too. Find your city's large mom and pop stationery shops and go browse for options. You'll likely find something that's cheaper or more convenient than whatever you're finding on Amazon. Like sure a ream of letter size bristol for $25 is half what it'd take to get 500 pieces from sheets. But you're spending $25 instead of $0.60 to test a paper you might not like.
>>7170513P20X for sketching, GG500 for detailing is the Lord's intended way to use mechanical pencils.
>might have gotten ink in the ferrule of my WN brush
Sister bought me a 12-pack of copic sketch markers during her Golden Week vacation for only ~35 burgerbucks! She didn't know which colors to get, but thankfully the silk and light purple colors will go great with my skin color set. The warm/cool greys are nice, too, and did not conflict with my neutral gray 12 pack which cost 55 on amazon...
Bros I like dry media so much, I wish I had infinite money to buy all the colored pencils and charcoals and fancy japs pencil knivesMaybe I'd cheat a little and buy a set of inktense pencils
>>7170156himi gouache are sold directly from china without much quality control.
>>7170636Copics aren't expensive, the exportroon mafia makes them expensive.
>>7170789The Mafia is actually just copic themself that sets MSRP. But yea buy from Japan I bought loads through a proxy service.
>>7170504The chink copied it and sell 20 cents each. Quality is the same.
>>7170805what proxy did you use
>>7170825Dejapan shipped them, but when I wanted to buy Holbein paint I used blackship. You have to email and ask before ordering for most art supplies
>>7165934thanks anon
>>7170638Do you use anything in particular to get nice solid layers with colored pencils? Too much grainy white gives it a kid look