Any plans for a new playthrough when the DLC drops, anon? Aside from the wet fart that is the endgame crisis, 7.0 beta is pretty good. For me, I've been wanting to do a custom Eleventh Hour start where I try to ally with the Split and form a separatist Argon faction. So I think I'll finally do that.
Surprised you came back after your first attempt.
Finally got back to sanctuary of darkness and the performance improvements here are massive.
>>1729247based
>>1729224Maybe a fully modded playthrough with one of those massive galaxy expanding mods. Or Intereorlds. But not Vanilla. We could get x5 in late 2026.
>>1729224I might do another play if I upgrade my processor. My 3600 struggles with mid to late game with mods installed. I'll be honest the dlc doesn't excite me. I generally hope they fix existing issues and implement quality of life features. I would much prefer a better custom start or start editor to better set the game up as the player sees fit. It would be neat to add or remove factions from the universe. Set who owns what. I could for example give the xenon a nice chunk of sectors like a vanilla faction.
>>1729376moving from 16gb to 32 gb ram doubled my fps most of time, keep it in mind.
>>1729379I checked my ram usage after I had a couple mining fleets and a second scout running around and it was up to 20gb.
>>1729379I'm already at 32gb ram. Samsung Evo nvme however my processor is kind of older as is my graphics card. I'm using a 2060 super 12gb and the game crawls. I'm on a 1440p monitor but at 1080 resolution. I looked at my mod folder and I have around 25 installed. I was leaning towards a used upgrade on the processor to see if that would bump me up some. Many of my mods are like fixing jobs orders and whatever else.
>>1729247My game freezes in there and I can't progress.
>>1729224I do a new play through about every six months. I'll hop into the 7.0 release once VRO and Kuda are updated for it.
>>1729224Yes I've bought a new PC and can't wait. Though Egosoft saying 'later in the year' makes me think we've got a while yet.
>>1729250A mod to remove that stupid afro is necessary to play this game.
>>1733853Sensible Demographics in the Steam Workshop
I might play this franchise if they ever moved away from their jank ass clunky 40-year old engine. Europeans being thin, educated, and intelligent, is one of the most successful false memes ever.
>>1733947The engine is a marvel when you understand the breadth of the simulation and how small Egosoft is.
>>1733947>old engineWhat? That's the first game on this engine, if you don't count the rebirth spinoff
>>1734464Uh that's the complaint since rebirth is over a decade ago. They reused a ton of rebirth ideas and assets yet didn't keep some of the good aesthetics. X4 at release and now are stark in some ways. We had to fight and uphill battle to get various game starts and custom starts. It was a slog and took years. They kept alot of what people hated in rebirth in x4. The game is essentially rebirth 2.0 especially at launch with how small it was as well as ships but the way it should have been over a decade ago following x3 AP.
>>1734676Well the game we have now is the best X game yet, so idk what you're bitching about.
>>1729224I haven't played any of these games, is X4 a good place to start?
>>1735156Yes.
I was thinking about setting up a network of trade stations 5 apart that buy from me and sell to everyone, but how do you get the goods moved around? It seems like if you assign trader subordinates they'll just waste a bunch of time moving goods back and forth between station A and B.
>>1729224How many dlcs do you need to make the game good?
>>17355743
>>1735574Everything except Tides of Avarice, that introduces more problems than it does features. If you really have to boil it down because $$$ then base game + Craddle of Humanity.
>>1735798Just wait for a sale when the entire collection is like $30.
>>1735798scrap empires best empires
>>1735569Solved my problem by getting the mules and warehouses mod, then building separate stations for storage and trading. It's still really tedious because you have to set up each mule manually, can't just assign it to a group like you can with vanilla miners and traders.
>mfw i start a new game and have to play the retarded station scanning minigamethankfully i found a mod that instantly 100% scans all discovered stations
i've seen people complain that wharfs aren't as profitable as they used to be, but why does that matter? it seems to me that once you build a supply chain and have a wharf money has zero purpose
>>1740356why do you need to scan stations? I never scan any stations ever
>>1740356>play custom game>set all annoying plots to doneAnd you're done.
>>1742449You still get the silly cutscenes though
>fly up to station part>it flashes bright as fuck, ruining all immersionFuck whoever thought it's a good idea. That god you can mod it out.
I played for a while at launch, stopped, looking to restart. I'm such a sucker for the idea of X that I was impulsively buying the DLCs even though I haven't even fuckin played any of them.What's all this about the 7.0 beta? Is it automatically activated? I tried to go into Properties in Steam to activate it but it's not an option.Also, vanilla is perfectly serviceable, right? I tried to dig through the Workshop but I have no idea what's supported or not, what's meant for versions from years ago, etc., and since it's been so long I might as well play the base game again, right?It's either this or I go back to X3LU for the umpteenth time. It's been a minute since I've played that, too, and I'm reluctant to go back cuz I'm pretty sure they never figured out a way around the hardcoded UI scaling and I'd need a fucking microscope to read the menus
I have played X4 for 20 hours now and I still have no idea what I am supposed to do in this game. Is this game about the story? Making money? Do I win by destroying other factions?
>>1729224Why the FUCK does this game not run on GFN? REEEEE.
>>1744950What do you do in kenshi or mountain blade?
>>1744997Games For Niggers?
>>1744997it does work though, is it in maintenance or what, I never played on gfn but people are playing no problems
>>1744925Most major mods require dlc split and Terran for sure. If it's a feature mod like auto explore sat dropping or something simple you can likely get away with vanilla. Personally I have all dlc since it gives all major factions. I didn't like x4 at launch it was like rebirth but none of the charm. Split dlc was good and Terran was the pinnacle dlc for me.>>1744950No story. There is no win condition only death.
>>1745103>Terran was the pinnacle dlc for me.plebeian opinion
>>1745103No, what I'm saying is I DO have all the DLC. I loved X3 so much and was sure every time a new X4 DLC dropped, THAT would be the time I would try it again. Never did.I was just generally wondering if, with all the DLC and/or free version updates Egosoft's dropped, if it's solid in vanilla now.
>>1745836Oh my bad. I think it's in a good spot better than x3 vanilla but it's been years since I've done TC or AP vanilla well over a decade ago. X needed mods just as much as rebirth or x4 imo. X pre TC for sure was dogshit unplayable. Terran conflict was what made it palatable for me. Albion prelude was mid. So yea if you have them all locked and loaded it's in a good spot compared to x3 with all dlc vanilla wise.
>>1745836I started a vanilla game with all DLC about a month ago as someone who had never played an X game before. It's definitely solid enough in vanilla, but you'll definitely start feeling tempted to install mods as you play the game and start to encounter annoyances.
>>1746189>>1746497Well I mean fuck it, I've got good internetz and plenty of storage, and I am explicitly AVOIDING going through the bullshit of mod installation, guess there's no harm trying.Seems I just chose the wrong time to come back, what's all this about a beta? I don't see shit in the betas tab in properties, is it some shit I have to put on top manually? Should I just worry about the kingdom end final version for now?
>>1746522Modding X4 is pretty simple compared to say Skyrim. You don't need to fuss over load order or anything. Not usually anyway. For me, I hate vanilla combat so mods are a must.
>>1746522Actually me samefagging:Figured out after some digging what the deal with the beta was, gotta enter a secret code from a forum post on Ego's own domain (makes sense, make you have to REALLY work for it so if it breaks you're well aware it's because you're on a beta). Hearing/reading mixed things about stability.Side question, what's this VRO mod? Looks like X4's "big fleet action" overhaul a la LU. Also apparently usable only through last 6.x release. Should I just forego the beta and just play with that? Assume 99% of my thousands of hours of X3 were in LU and/or Mayhem, reading through their little wiki it looks like it's along the same linesI know I started this all going "well umm is vanilla good" but frankly I don't give enough of a shit to preserve muh developer intent, especially since this VRO shit seems like it's ticking more boxes for me.
>>1746535Perfect timing, see >>1746536Is this VRO mod essential for a Litfag? Reads like it basically is. won't say no to it adding new ships and weapons apparently, either
>>1746539I don't use VRO. I use a lesser known mod called Classic Mode that I have in turn modded to further suit my own personal tastes. VRO is great if you don't care about fighters being absolutely gutted. I like to fly fighters in fleet battles so it's not ideal for me.
>>1746544>if you don't care about fighters being absolutely gutted.Again, Litfag - this is normal for me. I respect it's not everyone's thing, though, I know that's what turned a lot of people off of LU (well, that and the empire building focus).
>>1746544Oh I also use Simple Combat Overhaul and Vanilla Turret Boost, again tweaked to my liking. I haven't played in a while so I forgot that I basically merged those 3 mods into 1 to get my perfect combat experience
>>1746551Yeah so VRO would be right up your alley
I've been spamming assemble fleet missions for several days to pay for all the ship/build blueprints I need. Is there a faster way to make big money?
>>1746563Straight up mine raw resources and when you automate that kit out a ship with marines and do fly by boardings. Sell stolen ships and their parts and repeat.
>>1746563Oh and there are some mods that rebalance bounties etc so you can make some money off that as well. Think chillmatica or deadair mod for that.
>>1746536If you run the beta disable tides of avarice. I did that and it fixes the issues like miners breaking. I would say between the performance enhancement in 7.0 and built in TAA it's worth it.
>>1747055I have a set of self-sufficient factories that make all the Terran stuff and another that makes all the Commonwealth stuff, they just don't make enough money, I need like 1.2 billion just for the XL Terran fab and Asgard blueprints.Is boarding really that good? I've done the fly by method a few times for missions but it took like 20-30 minutes per ship so I kind of wrote it off once I started spamming those +50% ship value missions with my entire cash stack invested.>>1747056The plan is to "finish" this mostly vanilla save by wiping out the Xenon with a fleet of Asgards and then start another heavily modded save once 7.0 comes out and all the big mods are updated
>>1747104Nice. Think you've done everything. Boarding isn't as good as it used to be due to ship selling nerfs. I usually due custom starts and make everyone hate each other so the war economy is okay. That's the only slowdown in vanilla or modded is if it's too peaceful nothing gets blown up. Not sure how you could fold in more credit gen with your setup in a major way. That one deadair mod lets you see resources across factions which is handy though.
>>1747946>I usually due custom starts and make everyone hate each other so the war economy is okay. That's the only slowdown in vanilla or modded is if it's too peaceful nothing gets blown upYeah in retrospect it was a mistake to be the friendly peacemaking trader guy. Things will definitely be more chaotic in my modded save.
>>1747946>I usually due custom starts and make everyone hate each other so the war economy is okay. That's the only slowdown in vanilla or modded is if it's too peaceful nothing gets blown upThe danger of doing this is if you get aggressive Xenon they can quickly mop up the war weakened factions. I just use deadair's Dynamic Wars, but I keep it off until closer to mid-game so the factions can hold off the initial Xenon pushes.
>>1748121You can build cheap defense platforms then utilize the bounty mod to make cash back. I've done that before near xenon sectors. Zyarth is most susceptible in most game seeds so first taskforce fleet up there then maybe free senpaitachi or argon. Teladi most seeds need zero help and will actually wipe the xenon out. Trinity if hop and paranoid merge are plenty fine as well usually.
>>1747946ship selling nerf is not for selling manually, that was never changed, nerf was for your ship building stations where factions order ships, you get a lot less then selling manually, you are still making a ton just takes longer to billionsits really strange how most info here is just outright wrong constantly
>>1748821s-sorry
>>1746536>Side question, what's this VRO mod?Vro is a mod that, if you listen to fanboys, fixes everything in the game and makes every ship important and fixes all the aI and factions, it even fixes your framerate.What it actually does is make destroyers have really long range and fast weapons so the player can no longer destroy one with a small ship. It probably has the side effect of making the AI seem more competent too. It also attempts to give fighters a new role in sector as swarms with the logic that a thousand fighters will overwhelm strong ships but you don't want to go down that route unless you like the game running at 4fps.
>>1749002If you like to fight battles entirely in the map screen, VRO is for you.
>>1749002I get why this would sound unappealing to some, but as I've repeated often in my samefagging, I cut my teeth on shit like X3LU. Having swarms of mildly-effective fighters be necessary for any combat action is par for the course, for me.That's ever been one of the main points of contention between anyone who used anything down the LU path (including/especially Mayhem) and something like XRM, the loss of the 'hero status' of you being able to blow up anything WITH anything with enough chutzpah and persistence. I respect some people prefer the game like that, I just don't is all.Anyways, already committed to trying out VRO with some other stuff. Added mods that added EVE ships, allegedly balanced, idk if so but it's cool and that's enough for me sometimes.
>>1749229Yeah like I just said >>1749231 this is par for the course for the 4Xlike management mods. Stressing again that I know it's not for everyone, it's not that much of an issue for me/kinda what I prefer.
>>1749231>the loss of the 'hero status' of you being able to blow up anything WITH anything with enough chutzpah and persistenceI mean, unlike pretty much the entire series before from BtF to X3R, in vanilla X3TC and especially AP that was never the case for any M3-5 unless you were willing to call in a TS full of mass driver ammo midfight for refills.BTW if you did it with hammerheads you didn't win.
>>1729224should I get this or x3?t.never played an x game
>>1749780This
>>1749780only don't get this if you have a toaster
>>1749780X4 is by far the best one but it is heavier on the cpu requirements. Ships having actual cruise speeds and not having to rely on seta for traveling makes it feel like an actual game rather than a visualized spreadsheet.
>>1749882>X4 is by far the best one but it is heavier on the cpu requirementsDoesn't X4 actually use multiple cores? Whereas X3 is single-threaded because ancient.So graphical and visual shit aside, I feel like the universe/sim elements probably run better?
>>1749882>X4 is by far the best one>Ships having actual cruise speeds and not having to rely on seta for traveling makes it feel like an actual gameDogfighting went from just kinda boring to insufferable because every Xenon fighter can go from 100 m/s to 1000 m/s in half a second in the middle of the fight thanks to the stupid boosters and cruise, thanks Bernd.
>>1749900>thanks Berndthis but unironically
>>1749898X4 simulates a lot more.Previous X games just manifested goods where they were needed, everything flying around was just window dressing. X4 actually keeps track of everything so there's a lot more being simulated.
>>1749780Watch some guides on x4 before buying it if you've never played any x games. The game can be fucking frustrating to get started in even if you are familiar with the series. Be prepared to take a mission only for it to no longer exist once you're almost to the location because the ship blew up or someone else repaired the thing or any number of random occurrences. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_F6kx7ElkE this guy has a retarded voice but his vids were ok.
>>1749993Generally, goods weren't spawned but ships and stations were. X3 would probably be better if it did spawn goods, because then those fucking Terrans wouldn't keep deleting their own stations out of lack of food from the 1 factory in 20 sectors that actually makes the stuff.
>>1750574Why the fuck do they need so much fucking food in x4? They go through rations and meds like its downtown detroit or some shit.
>>1750586>why do people need to eat
>>1750588Anon they are eating like 30 rations a day each person and using the same amount of meds kek
>>1750590life in space be tough my nigga
>>1750592kek I'm almost positive these ingrates are hoarding food and meds and selling it to aliens.
Any mods that add consumer based economics?
>>1750609Probably.
>>1750611Thanks buddy
>>1750617No problem anytime.
>>1749898It does use multiple cores however there is only so much that will do for ya. The x3d CPUs boost fps and are perfect for the game due to cache not clocks which also help. You will see a noticeable improvement using one over a basic Ryzen or Intel. The big killer with all the simulation is when you start to mess with jobs and adding entities modules or ships. Exploration and knowing all sectors as well as trade pricing also causes performance slowdowns.
>>1750775You don't need a newer cpu this game, honestly it doesn't make much of a fucking difference. The game is just going to chug when it wants to no matter your hardware especially in certain areas.
>>1750586I think that's how they balance the production chain being simpler. They suck up a ton of every product and raw resource relative to their production. Even their habitations are smaller for some reason
>>1750783NTA but the only place my game ever chugs is sanctuary of darkness with volumetric fog and msaa maxed out. Those X3Ds are magic.
>>1750835The pods made it to the future.>>1750837Yeah but even older ryzens eat the game up best they can. Some of the shit is just poorly optimized. At least its better on the graphics side of things for the most part.
>>1751266Yeah I think I'll finally ditch my intcel and upgrade to a 7900X3D when 7.0 goes live.
>>1751267My only regret is that I'm on an X570 board with a 3700x. I... COULD get a 5800x3d for 300ish bucks? But for the same price I could get a relatively low-end mobo (which is what I always go with) plus a 7600x, which outperforms it by metrics I'm finding.Then again, guess I WOULD also need to buy DDR5, so like another 150 bucks to match my current 64GB...idk fuck it i'm just gonna stick with the 3700x + 3070 til NEXT gen of CPUs and GPUs or something lol lmao
>bloom on the UIlol what the fuck is this? who thinks this looks good?
>>1751327People are still using bloom and motion blur in 2024 and I don't understand.
>>1750609Like for a civilian economy? That would be great, I hate the way the entire universe just stalls if you win or prevent any wars.
>>1751395YeahProduction and logistics are all I care about and everything about war seems so badly done. I just want to manufacture what's in demand and move freight.
How much money should I save up from mission running before setting up an autominer or two? I've got like 500k creds
>>1751407However much a large miner costs
>>1751410about tree fiddy
>>1751407If you have a good system picked out you can take the leap at any time. It's just starting ticks of passive income that matter.
>>1751357It's not even that it's glowy to begin with, it's that it's so ridiculously bright. I would be fine with a very subtle effect (still optional, of course), but it's like the menus are directed by jj abrams they're so bright
>>1751622they added the scroll option for glow so you can adjust it to be less bright as you like it, and you can always completely turn it off
>>1751470Well I can't if I don't have the money, hence the question kek>>1751622I agree that its a weird addition.
Any of you try the Re-emergence mod? It adds all the missing X3 sectors plus the OTAS faction with their ships and a bunch more ships all balanced for VRO. Supposedly it's pretty challenging, especially with deadair's suite of mods. Thinking I'll give it a go while waiting for 7.0.
>>1751737You can squeeze in a couple medium gas miners for 500kYou can even buy a couple smalls and set them up nividium mining.In the time it takes you to make the 3+mil needed for a large miner just by mission running you can create an entire fleet of mediums just from the passive income they generate while you go map out sectors to find more mining targets.
>>1751913Interesting thanks for the reply.
>>1729224Is this DLC adding anything to the sandbox?From the description it sounds like it's adding stand-alone game mode stories/campaigns/scenarios.
>>1751923I generally don't like nividium mining because it's higher maintenance than gas automining. But sometimes there are stations with big buy orders that make it too juicy to ignore.Usually black hole sun has a couple stations buying hydrogen so it's where I plop my first two gas miners.
>>1751837I have ignored it, because it was incompatible with... VRO or something of Deadair's. If you're saying it works with DA's stuff, I'm guessing it was specifically the EVE factions, and goddammit I like them too much to skip them even if they're a bit janky
>>1751837>>1751964Samefag, found ithttps://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?f=181&t=434243&start=660#p5220412Yes, it's specifically the EVE factions, because some of their sections are 'overwritten' by Emergence sectors.Adds OTAS back in, you say, though? Hmm. The way this forum post makes it sound, it would probably specifically be the Caldari affected, maybe if I JUST dropped them...
>>1751935I'm curious to try it now. My favorite thing in X games is making an empire of pilots doing shit for me kek
>>1752030yeah that's kind of the whole point of the games
>>1752056Yeah for some reason I've had a hell of a time getting started in x4 though versus the others. Missions failing themselves, instantly killed by ???, trying to do the "story" stuff and it just being miserable. Its an odd one. I played a stupid amount of x3 many moons ago so I didn't think it would be that bad.
>>1752058I dodge the chase a ship or scanning missions just because they can take longer to complete than the payout is worth. Quick ones to do are deploying satellites, mines, or laser towers, shuttle guys, or lock boxes. Mine clearing is fine too but sometimes you have like 30 mines to clear.It seems that battlefield scavenging got nerfed in 7.0 too. Previously the meta was just hang out in a conflict zone and you'd get a ton of high ticket inventory items. But in 7.0 I barely see spacefly eggs or flux capacitors.
>>1752089I tried to do a sat one, deployed and immediately was killed by... something? So after that I was like nah I'm good on those kekI haven't even touched the 7.0 since I've never played x4 before.
>>1752090If there wasn't any combat going on around you it might have been a stray mine that got left there.
>>1751933it will add 7 new sectors and idk how many ships as a reward or something when you finish those timelines stories
>>1752091Someone shot me but I don't know if it was an alien or what and I had saved before I took the mission so I was like nah I'm good and moved on. It probably was just a raider. It was right on the highway.
So whats a good "CEO" ship thats hardy and good to fly around in? Also whats the cost?
>>1752093So there will be an option to just add those to the sandbox anyway right or would I need a mod?
>>1752131Yeah you can probably start with them completed in custom game starts (and why would you do anything other than a custom game start?). If not then there will certainly be a mod that unlocks them.
>>1752107You can't get more "CEO ship" than the Astrid. It's got a pool, bar, dining room, office and private bedroom, luxury yacht right out of Star Citizen. Unfortunately it's a mission reward from the Tides of Avarice DLC.Katana's a fan favorite due to it's speed, but Terran DLC, same for Hydra Regal which is Boron DLC.No DLC would probably be the Prometheus (you find these skulking about in dead end Paranid sectors far from the highway. It's a jack of all trades, freighter with 3 front guns and good shields and maneuverability - can't buy it have to steal it from paranid pirates.
>>1752096If they didn't radio you:- and shot you with some purple lasers that go "Bzzzzt" those are Kha'ak, they fly triangle ships and shoot everyone. -and shot you with regular guns, while flying ships that look like they have a bunch of tubes and disks attached, they're Yaki - pirates that hate everyone and everyone hate them. -and shot you with red pulse guns while flying ships made of black boxes or ships that look like a bug they were Xenon. Crazy robots that hate organics.If they did radio you-and asked you to drop your cargo, and the pilot looked human or a lizard, then that's the SCA Scale Plate Pirates. Just regular pirates flying regular ships, they don't bother ships that have no cargo.-and asked you to drop your cargo, and the pilot looked like a chinese burn victim, that's the Fallen Families. Split pirates flying ships that look like they're made out of rusty metal plates painted red, they don't bother ships that have no cargo. In general, make sure there's nothing red on the radar before you do mission stuff.
>>1752302Thats whats funny, there was no red on the radar, they were obviously on the highway where the mission was. There was no "colors" I was dead in one shot in the shitty starter ship. They probably did radio but there is constant fucking pointless chatter going on so who knows.
>>1752107Kuraokami is my favorite and you get it for free through missions.
>>1752297I got the game on sale with everything recently (it was only like 10~ more usd to get the full thing) though probably shouldn't have, good tip on the ships and the one in the pic looks cool. >>1752740Interesting. Probably won't be doing any more missions anytime soon though but will keep your guys' suggestions in mind.
>>1729224Hello, just to ask my annual question:"Has the A.I. been fixed?"To elaborate, the usual X experience mandates, that staying in a sector too long wrecks it, as A.I.>path like shit>fight like shitThere are nuances to it, as it's not always the case, but it kills my X enjoyment as my grind of many hours is rewarded by some thin smoke and fragile mirrors.
>>17529207.0 does have some fixes for gate pathing
>>1752964>>1752920The 7.0 beta improved the AI a lot, unfortunately the game was balanced around bad AI so now the Teladi curbstomp Xenon since destroyers can now point their main guns at enemy targets, use formations and fighters use deployables.
>>1753527Just as intended. Luring the Xenon into a false sense of security was a shrewd business investment.
>>1753564The Xenon coin finally turned into profitz, as foretold.
I wonder why they chose to add another argon start and not make it a teladi start for scale plate roleplay.
does seta break the economy? i haven't been using it so far but i'm running out of things to do while i wait for factories to build
>>1753527Xenon got nerfed hard in 6.0 with the 30% turret fire chance in OOS combat. Previously it was 100%. Xenon rely on turrets almost entirely. Now it's exacerbated even further with the improvement to AI destroyer main guns. If Egosoft doesn't fix this, a simple mod of parameters.xml to bring turret fire chance to 60% should give Xenon a lot of their teeth back. That's what Reemergence did and Xenon are properly a threat in that mod.
>>1753713From what a Dev said it's because they wanted a new default start for players that have no DLC that quickstarts players into the hatikva storyline.
>>1754012So I just blitzed through the hatikva story using that start. The nova held its own really well. I could see someone starting with young gun having a really shitty time at certain points if they hadn't upgraded their elite or just picked up a better ship. However the callisto also came with pulse laser mk2's so maybe just using that is an option if that's a blanket change.
Have they fixed medium turrets or do they still all have either no damage or no ability to hit anything? Projectile speeds in general feels like they haven't changed much since TC/AP despite ship speeds increasing dramatically. At least the engine can handle true hitscan weapons now, and the beams aren't just really fast projectiles with really long tracers behind them like the good old days.
>Endless Replayability FestIs it an insult or a compliment?
>>1755227Yes
Can anyone confirm that they've nerfed gas mining? Or is this new game just really stable on gas for some reason? I've done the loop and am exploring grand exchange now and the biggest gas demand I've found is 2500 methane.
>>1755483This happened to me as well, no one wants my farts. Not in 7.0 tho
Looking more into it, it looks like ai priorities may have gotten switched up. Even silicon buy orders are down. Maybe a 5k buy order at the most. But there's an ore refinery with a 100k ore buy order.
>>1755483>>1755641Good. Mining is OP. I nerfed ore prices in my personal mod because it's too easy to snowball from a mining operation.
>>1755647On a new save I'm finding it hard to agree with you here. Doing the missions enough to buy some decent mining ships is pure fucking PAIN.
>>1755653>decent mining shipsI hope you aren't kitting out your mining ships anon. All you need is minimum preset, a mining laser, and a full service crew.
>>1755717yes but even that is not cheap when the missions are paying out so poorly and its not worth it to even bother with babby miners.
>>1756064Magpies are being pretty good with nividium and silicon. But overall I think the issue is with the price difference between small and mediums not being big enough. If they're trying to buff small miners by reducing the amount of silicon buy orders there's simply not a reason to mine silicon because a medium miner with 3 times the capacity costs like 40k more.
>5 asgards each with a jian parked on top>a supply ship>2 carriers with 40 fighters eachAm I prepared to execute operation TOTAL XENON FORMAT?
>>1756071Yeah its a weird price difference.
>>1751837This map...it's...beautiful
>>1756071>>1756119Look into the Classic Mode mod. It makes med+ ships much more expensive and widens the cost gap between classes so you have to build up to capital ships. If you don't like the other changes and you're not retarded you can just yoink the ship prices and put them into your own mod.
Well it didn't work very well. I took out a defense platform by taking control of one of the Asgards and turret sniping, but the rest of my ships refused to get into any sort of formation and I lost about half of my fighters because they would repeatedly fly directly into turret fire chasing a miner on the opposite side of the station. Might as well have just come with one Asgard piloted by me.Am I doing something wrong or is it just the game?
>>1729224Newbab here, saw some snippets of this game from steam and overheard some anons talking about it in other threads (Starsector), what this game is really about and what sort of gameplay loop should I expect? From the images I saw, both management, ship building and some sort of free roam (?) with some weird looking ayy lmaos was featuredIs Foundations the best spot to start? Should I buy some of the dlcs?Just checking on steam ain't giving me much of a big picture view and the gameplay videos on yt doesn't help either..
>>1756629It's a sandbox game with an economy simulation and factions. You spend most of the game trying to make money to set up your own supply chain so that you can build fleets of warships for free
>>1756629>(Starsector), what this game is really about and what sort of gameplay loop should I expect?Starsector but 3D is a quick description, it's a sandbox space fighter trader sim that evolves into an empire builder. There's multiple start conditions but most have you start in a single seat ship of some kind (fighter or trader) and eventually are commanding huge fleets of capital ships with your own space stations you've built yourself out of modules - factories, storage depots/distribution centers, defense outposts, shipyards to produce your own ships instead of buying them at NPC shipyards. You make money either doing missions, by trading, or by mining, most players buy a mining ship and hire npcs to run it and let it do passive income. More money allows to buy more ships and with a lot of money you can build space stations which will usually make even more money. There's a reputation system that you can affect how empires treat you though you'll never be friends with the rogue robots or space triangles. Eventually you'll have massive fleets, your own stations and shipyards and have completed the story missions so you can do the final resource sink in the game: terraforming. Massive logistics and research projects that change the skybox of some star systems/sectors and give you little message saying congrats on making some Venus like sulfuric acid atmosphere volcano world into a beach resort planet which is about as close as you can get to a win condition in a sandbox.Foundations is alright but the galaxy to explore is a bit small without the DLC, though you can buy DLC at any time and it'll add the new systems in an existing game. The way it works is that each star system/sector is linked to each other in a network of jumpgates and the ones leading to DLC territories are inactive without the DLC. Personally I wouldn't play without the Cradle of Humanity (Terran), Split and Boron DLCs.One warning though: It's a low budget indie game.
>>1756656>>1756678Is it too hard to get a grip on the game or you can easily figure it by playing it normally? Also how's the economy, there is supply and demand shenanigans like starsector? Faction wars? Interesting diplomatic interactions?What did you mean by "beware, it's a low budget indie", should I expect bugs or performance issues?
>>1756714yes and yes, UI is well... it works, once you get into the game you see its not great at all, there are bugs and there are performance issues.the game is CPU hog, depends on what you got it will get slow late game more or less, adding mods with more ships etc... will also kill some fpsthere is no constant 60 fps in this game, any PC will have ups and downs, its not like you get 15fps from the start but some situations can get it there, again depends on the cpu you got, it loves those new x3d cache cpusthey are updating the game all the time and improving things but the indie part is that after 5 years there are still many QoL things not in the game, bugs, AI is very dumb, but looking what they made with only 25 people is kinda excellentthey have only done this kind of game since 98, x3 is a legendary space game that still holds up to this daystill I love the game to death, no other similar I could find to have all of that, the economy is simulated all the time so almost everything is built from scratch, so you can manipulate it based on that, tons of mods to your liking and for those QoL things missing, even huge star wars overhauls that look fantastic imothe game requires patience to learn but when it opens up there are tons to do, and 100 hours is like a "normal" gameplay time but you can play 1000 is you like
>>1756714forgotthere are factions and diplomatic relations, but in vanilla its not so dynamic or over the top bc of lore reasons and no full possibility to change any relations between em, you can have any relations you want with factions and there are stories that change some faction v faction,but then you install some mods and chaos ensuesdeadair is making a killer of a mod, already is up on github but still wip afaik
>>1756714>Is it too hard to get a grip on the game or you can easily figure it by playing it normally?The economy is logical, though there's dozens of resources so you'd need to look up in the in game encylopedia or guide to find out what the resource chain for a antimatter converter is. There's also race specific resources for food and medicine production and some of the more exotic DLC races like Terrans and Boron have their own separate production chains. Low tier resources like ores or energy cells are relatively common, mining ships gather ores and gasses and solar power plants generate energy cells. Ore+Energy Cells are turned into Refined Metal in a refinery station/module, and Refined Metal + Graphine (energy cells+methane) makes Hull Parts which are used to build new ship hulls. So buying an ore miner in a sector with ore deposits and a metal refinery or a gas miner in a sector with methane and a graphine mill will generate good profit. Having a freighter and shipping hull parts from a hull part factory to a shipyard will be profitable. Actually owning those factories will be very profitable, presuming there's a market for those resources.Note that low hanging fruits like energy cells and local mining get saturated quickly.Which brings in supply and demand. NPCs mine resources, run freighters and operate stations that compete with the player. There's pirates that attack freighters (including the players), raid stations and attack miners which cause disruptions. Many factions are at war with each other causing demand for replacement ships and stations.There's not much diplomacy, some of the main quests change faction relations to each other. low budget indie=don't expect star citizen ship interiors and character models. Also the game won't stop you from building a 1000 module megafactory that kills your fps if you look at it.
>>1756750>>1756762>>1756777I see, gonna keep those things in mind.Does the game use single thread or multi thread cpu? If the first rather than the later, Guess I am a tad fucked, cause mine's is a xeon with 16 cores, yet only 3,1 Ghz per core
>>17567801 core is used for the whole economy simulation, others less for all the other stuff, but 1 core is used fully and its where the bottleneck happens so idk how would xeon go, it does like more GHZ but xeons are server cpus no? maybe they would perform better
>>1756798Aye, Xeons are server CPUs, they run fine on single thread stuff, but I had my fair share of bottlenecks from indie games who strain one core too hard and don't poke the other 15 ones, so I feared something akin to that would happen.Gonna give it a try, if anything happens, refund is always a way
>>1756804that 1 hour play could be not enough to see it since new game has best performance, better to pirate itstart the game and go around stations and land, and look for factions battles to see how it will hold
>>1756804There's a big 7.0 update happening in a month which will rework the AI and adds an end game crisis, along with some interface changes and a ship model rework.
>>1756830AI rework is a big word, its an improvement and a good one but not a rework, dont get to excited, crisis seems just spawn xenon and khaak close to your stuff so far, could be changed still, but anyway modders will make it into something different, like x3 mayhem7.0 does improve performance and graphics
>>1756830They said it's going live in a month? Still no release date for Timelines right?
>>1756629>overheard some anons talking about it in other threads (Starsector)sorry about that
>>1756850nope no release date so far, 7.0 release and timelines DLC will be released like 2 days apartthere are still enough bugs to kill in the current beta, dont know what they will do with crisis, people on forum are really shitting on it
>>1756857they should've just thrown a few shekels to the guy who made rise of the ossian raider and incorporated that mod into the game.
Pirate bros, does anyone knows how to make the dlcs work on the steam version? Downloaded them from cs.rin, shoved them in the folder and used creamapi, but the game still don't recognize them, any tips?
Mining drill or Mining turret? Turret right? Or both?
>>1757142all of the above and max service crew
>>1757229That part I understand. Just didn't know if you were going cheap starting out if you should get a drill, or turrets. Or a drill and defense turrets, etc.
>>1757240you definitely want a drill at bare minimum. if you cant afford the mining turrets right now you could just build a ship with a drill and then refit it once you've got some more money
>>1757241Yeah just didn't know if the turrets were the same power but better or something so don't waste the money, or NO STUPID YOU DONT PUT TURRETS ON THEM OMG kekThanks
So uh is there a reason my miner just sits there staring at a small rock and refuses to do any orders I give him? Its acting like it wants to but its just doing absofuckinglutely nothing. Multiple times I've got them with an "asteroid" with 9-10 yield in it in front of the ship as they "fly"
>>1757254To be clear, telling it to dock, etc it acts like its going to do it, then it just slowly puts around at 20 m/s with a tiny rock in front of it like its a window ornament.
Hate to triplepost but the miners figured it out. Seems to help a lot to not be in the sector where they are mining which... is a thing.
>>1757293Yes being in the sector makes a lot of things break. I once had a transport get stuck inside an asteroid because I jumped into the sector it was traveling through at the exact moment it was where there was an asteroid.If you're in sector or otherwise watching a ship work through livestream it works by an entirely different set of mechanics than being out of sector where it uses simplified computations.
>>1757316Yeah the miners will instead of tractor a rock just look at it and fly around. If you give them orders they'll hold onto the rock and slowboat around pretending like they are doing something. This is what was happening turns out. So weird kekGot some miners and scouts out so now I'm going to try to actually do some story stuff. Is there a solid early game ship people would suggest I buy?
This game makes me physically angry sometimes with its obtuse fucking bullshit.
>>1757320Generally whatever's fastest. The small paranid ships are probably the best choice for early game: stupid fast with combat engines and with fast recharging shields, they even get a bonus to boost. If you're not playing a one race game the pegasus is going to be the fastest ship you'll have access to in the commonwealth. The perseus is a strong choice for a general purpose fighter. Still crazy fast and can hold its own in whatever the early missions throw at you.
>>1756132>playing unworthy entrepreneur>have my starting vulture autotrading around eighteen billion after building the captain's skill with repeat graphene orders.>looking into buying a magpie courier to keep the station stocked with energy cells for now.>realize for the price of the magpie I can buy a comparably fit demeter with 12 crew.>lose 200 m/s travel speed but gain over 4k cargo.When 7.0 comes out I will surely be checking out this mod. I get the demeter price is probably deflated and the magpie is inflated because I'm buying teladi and the economy is more stressed with the xenon attacks but a medium transport being cheaper than a small courier is dumb.
>>1757402Is there any incentive to stick to one race beyond for the fuck of it?
>>1757652No
>>1757101>Make post asking where to put the dlc files on cs.rin, cause the suggested path isn't working>They delete by post for "uncessary posting">Say that I should check SteamDB (which has the same file path, yet still doesn't work) and tell me to fuck offRetards
>>1757804why you need steam version? bc of mods? I think there is some sites or programs that dl them
>>1757652It's just added challenge.Certain ships are just superior to others. Likewise certain modules are superior on certain ships. Sticking to one race is just a way of using ships and modules you otherwise wouldn't touch.
>>1757811Yeah, mods. Sites that download stuff from the workshop are often borked no? I recall most of them not working anymore, dunno how things are nowadays
>>1757804>pirating a game from a small dev studio>pirating a game from a small dev studio that's currently on sale for 60% off (incl DLC)pretty jewish ngl
>>1758003I bought the game, but tried to pirate the DLCs because they are more expensive than the base game here for some reason and my currency is already shit as hell.But the unlock method isn't working at all, so I guess I will stick with my pirate version and remain using only mods from Nexus
>>1757652I only do this if I'm playing Terran.Otherwise I have Nord Infantry, Rhodok Crossbowmen, and Swadian Cavalry.
>>1758073https://www.humblebundle.com/store/x4-community-of-planets-edition Thats why I got this version. It was like 15 more than the base game when I bought it.>>1758197kek
>>1758213A shame the US>My currency conversion would crank up the price even moreSucks to be a third worlder
>>1758274Next time try being human.
So is there any point to setting up in heretic's end with the research station?
>>1758301There's nothing particularly good about that sector, you can eventually move the station.Though you might as well claim it to piss off random NPCs who send you angry emails about it. It's a sector between 3 different empires (Argon, Split and Boron) and in 7.0 it'll have above average sunlight along with scrap to salvage.
>>1757652Terran shields and combat engines, split thermal disintegrators or HOP blast cannons, argon medium flak turrets or boron ion flak turrets, paranid large plasma turrets, different races have better/worse equipment and there's none that are best overall.I sometimes tend to stay within Terran stuff since they have a very simple if expensive economy. Only need to remember 6 resources instead of 20+.
I want them to refresh trade orders. Local trade is useless and you get a better result by just running repeat buy/sell since you can just add stations to the list. It's just tedious.
>>1758572>Though you might as well claim it to piss off random NPCsNow we're talking.
>>1752297>. Unfortunately it's a mission reward from the Tides of Avarice DLC.It's best to just do a custom start and skip that whole chain.
>>1756678>Foundations is alright but the galaxy to explore is a bit small without the DLC,It's actually surprisingly large they just never gave any incentive to leave the ring to the point that you might never notice other sectors exist. Star sector had colonies and loads of sectors were badlands so you might find forgotten tech or new planets to colonize. X4 just has nothing. Maybe a lockbox with 20k credits in it. >>1758197There is no part of the fanbase that isn't partial to a good old terran racist run.
>doing a free families start>the heart of acrimony wharf is constantly starved for hull parts so ships are expensive as fuck>catch zyarth boas alone and try to get them to eject>no luck>on my way back to the wharf there's a zyarth dragon being engaged by a small wing of frf fighters>jump in and he abandons ship immediately>get the dragon and get it back to the wharf>it has 700k worth of mines and laser towers on it>sell them along with a few modules because it's at 15% hull and I don't have the money to fix her up yet.>get a boa to start trying to fix the economy.>get some chelt meat to a hull parts factory without a hitch>on the way to the wharf with hull parts my boa is asked to drop its cargo by a frf aspI'm not +10 with them yet but if they keep up this bullshit when I am there's some purges that are going to happen.
>>1759550I'm finding that out more and more any time I try to do any of the story content in x4. It is mostly tedious and annoying with a cutscene inbetween. I outright gave up on the chain that expected me to make suit bombs out the gate when I try to avoid getting out of the ship if at all possible.
Split sectors have the best music. Change my mind.You can't.
>>1759678The hatikva storyline isn't bad. It's meant to be kind of an advanced tutorial and the payoff is pretty good. You can finish it off in an hour and you get 2 ships and a station manager out of it.
>>1759879>you can finish it off in an hourKEKYou can't even do a fucking 30k very easy mission in 30 minutes in this game without a ton of random shit popping up artificially extending it even longer don't lie to me. Its probably 2 hours of flying to even get to accept the missions. Were you trying to convince yourself of that to feel better or something?
>>1759923Anon I tested out the new start by bumrushing the hatikva storyline. From start to finish and I was on the last mission within an hour.
>>1759936I'm sorry I just outright don't believe you.
>>1759936It would take me an hour just to get the stupid suit bomb shit.
>>1729224Why are the human races 99% black? It's ridiculous.
>>1759972I did find the suit bomb and 5 bombs in a lockbox in the starting system. I'll have to load it up again and see it that's a static change or was just random and I got lucky. Either way though there's also no reason you can't stop with the missions after you scan the station while you collect the things passively.
>>1759987I don't think that is static, no. The point remains its tedium for the sake of tedium however.The entire x series always has been "what space probably will really be like to control" to me so it makes some sense kekThe obtuse menus and controls in a lot of cases just feel "realistic" in a weird way but it sure doesn't make for good questlines.
>>1759995Oh there are definitely bad questlines. My argument is just that the hatikva questline is really fast and straightforward by comparison. The only hump is the spacesuit bomb portion and after that it's all the home stretch. Far more annoying is the boron questline or the segaris questline.
>>1759999It probably didn't help it was one of the first things I tried to do because it sounded "easier". Trade? I can do that>HAS NO TRADE INVOLVEDoh ok. thanks game.
>>1759981German company, it's accurate to the demographics they see in major cities.
>>1760014Kek, so much for diversity.
>>1760014I audibly laughed when the terran with the 80s hairdo shows up dark as fucking night. "SUP WE RESEARCHIN OR SUMPTIN?"
>>1760022Lmao, just did those missions. Nice afro, "Feynman".
>>1760026>*aggressively throws down cardboard square*>*breakdances in your direction*
>>1760022I, too, found it fucking retarded.
>>1760032>terraforms Segaris into Planet Disco
How do you guys set up your large miners? Do you just go with a preset and add drones and crew? Or do you tinker more? Seems like there is a lot of variability in price on those.
>>1760087Depends where you're mining. If you can't be bothered micromanaging khaak infestations, get Split miners that can easily defend themselves. Otherwise get the Paranid Chthonios large miners, 1 cargo drone, the rest for mining. I usually max out service crew and put terran or split combat engines on the initial large miners, but when money ceases to be an issue just go for high preset.
>>1760093You dont bother with repair drones?
>>1760096Nah not for miners, only XL ships and destroyers. If anything is going to get through your miners shields it's likely a goner before you can save it anyway. The only real use for repair drones on a ship are to bring weapons and engine back online.
>>1760109What mod? Or do you know what file I can edit to make shit at least more balanced with the races?
>>1760022>>1760026>>1759981I'm not sure what you're talking about. There are very few niggers in my space game. Dr. Feynman? An absolute gentleman.https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?l=english&id=2973524625
>>1760115>https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?l=english&id=2973524625Based. Thanks anon.
>>1760117You're welcome.
>>1760098Good to know thanks.>>1760115kek I don't know I kind of like it. Its comical how black the guy is.
>>1760129What's funny is he's named after a real scientist and Egosoft still diversified him. Germans are so lost.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman >Richard Phillips Feynman (/ˈfaJnmən/; May 11, 1918 – February 15, 1988) was an American theoretical physicist, known for his work in the path integral formulation of quantum mechanics, the theory of quantum electrodynamics, the physics of the superfluidity of supercooled liquid helium, as well as his work in particle physics for which he proposed the parton model. For his contributions to the development of quantum electrodynamics, Feynman received the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1965 jointly with Julian Schwinger and Shin'ichirō Tomonaga.
>>1760133Yeah part of the humor is not that he's black, thats whatever. You see tons of black people at the stations. I'm not a fan but ok. Its that he's so black it almost looks like a graphical bug with crazy ass hair like he's jumped out of breakin 2.It warps back around into being acceptable just because of how absurd it is.
>>1760087I also get 9 mining drones, 1 cargo drone (in case the offloading station lacks them), max large mining turrets, medium defense turrets, terran combat engines. Maxed out service crew will do repairs just fine, though I do use Mk2 shield generators for defending the engines. I also use the VIG Donia as my mining ship of choice, fast, good shields, with a large cargo bay and 9 turrets. It's the best large mining ship in the game, at least until the Boron Rorqual came along with slightly better stats in every way. The Donia is also one of those scrap metal ships VIG flies which makes it interesting. I used to love pirating it except they fly around so fast they're hard to intercept with medium ships with good marine capacity.
If you can't dock and trade with a faction (say -15) how do you get rep with them?
>>1760139Just linger around their stations and kill criminals that appear, its nightmare unless you have SETA to speed up time. Once you're friendly enough to trade you can just set a ship to repeat trade orders with them for 1 energy cell or whatever and leave it to build rep.
>>1760144If I build a bunch of small attack ships and just set them to patrol around their sector will that do the same thing?
>>1760139They also spawn missions that don't require docking, like repair satellites, deploy mines/lasertowers, repair signal faults on stations, chase down rogue ships, defend ship from pirates/khaak. If it's Vigor Syndicate or Fallen Families then they sometimes spawn criminal missions that you can do to raise rep.I treat shooting down criminal station traffic as a last resort.If you want to TRADE reputation then buy a ship and fly it to next to the faction station you want to raise rep with, remove the crew, damage it until it's at 1-2% HP, then sell the ship to a faction that's enemies with the faction you want to gain rep with. Destroy the ship. You can also do this by capturing a SCA pirate destroyer, and supposing you want to raise rep with the Split Zyarth Patriarchy, sell the destroyer to the Argon while it's 40km of a ZYA station, removing the crew first of course.
>>1760149Frigate is probably overkill for easy and v. easy hunt missions for them, right?
>>1760155Yeah, Frigates like the Split Cobra carries 25 crew and is arguably the best medium marine carrier, 24 marines will take most large ships. Terran Falx has more front guns but is extremely expensive. On a budget the Boron Dolphin, Paranid Hermes Vanguard and Split Boa are good runners up for cheap freighters that can be used as marine transports (21 to 20 crew capacity)Honorable mention goes to the Barbarosa, the VIG large 'freighter' but is classified as a raider. Lots of large turrets, fast, maneuverable and has a 128 crew capacity. It's very good pirate ship for midgame. Unfortunately it costs about 10 million to buy and equip (and is annoying to capture otherwise because it is a pirate ship, lots of experienced marines on board) - features prominently in the pirate storyline.
I've just been using argon ships I like the look of them. It is cool how you can pick between skins and stuff by default. Cool hearing about the differences between ship types.
Think I should sell my captured dragon for a dragon raider? I'm going to go capture some buffalos using one of my boas as a marine boat. I'm trying to do this as a pirate run but I can rationalize the trade in as stripping the dragon down and changing the registration so the zyarth won't track it.
>>1760366Dragon Raider is about 20% more maneuverable and 5% faster than a regular Dragon, at half the hull HP, making it a fun ride with a huge reminder to hit and run. Boas are good marine carriers too, so good for a pirate run.Flying to a Free Family wharf, stripping it of weapons, selling it, then immediately buying a Dragon Raider will minimize the price of swapping ships. And it'd be a Freefamily thing to do given local politics.
>Boron locked behind a fucking slog questline>Boron space all slammed behind your research station and Sanctuary of DarknessWhy is the coolest race not only locked behind a pointless grind (unless you cheat/mod/dont care about achievos), but then so far disconnected from the rest of the universe that the ships never interact with the main universe at large? Its like they spent all this effort on cool looking shit and made it painful to even see it.
>decide i want to do that ToA mission where you destroy a VIG station>fly my carrier fleet in>get swarmed by hundreds of fighters, 20+ destroyers, seemingly endlessly replenishing>decide to go full nuclear>use a suicide fighter to plant a navigation beacon and teleport the HQ right into their fleet>bring in 20 asgards to destroy all of their stations>their trading station and wharf start automatically rebuilding themselves in the same locations after a few minutesDo all of the factions work like this? I was under the impression you could conquer the whole galaxy
>>1760440VIG isn't at war with anyone so they have huge reserves. Meanwhile Argon/Split/HOP fold because of their mutual wars and Xenon if you start targetting their freighters. When I first did that questline I baited VIG into following me into argon sectors, where I had deployed a massive blob of laser towers. In a few minutes I went from 20 rep to 30 rep with the argon. The next time I knew what was going to happen so I built two defense stations at the entry points of VIG territory, loaded with hundreds of defense drones, large plasma turrets and medium flak turrets. With some ships on repeat order to gather all the dropped material from destroyed ships. Eventually VIG simply ran out of resources which is when I went on the offensive.
>>1760440If you use the new plot tool you can see every station that's planned in a sector, if it's an enemy one that doesn't actually have any visible construction yet, just send a destroy to that location with the "attack everything in area" command and it will nuke it.
>>1760406niggas need to learn that there's a mod for everything in this game https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2972959867
>go to help nerds nearby to get some rep>oh a defense platform no big->3 destroyersok wtf aliens thats a bit much don't you think?
>>1760617Not them but I figured I should at least play a bit without mods first so I'm still in the "why is this like this?" phase myself.
>>1760629fair enough>themfuck off
>>1760630the ghost of they/them will get you anon
>>1760633
>>1760635
Is it ok to do refined metals and hull production in the same station or should they be their own stations? I have 3 smol docks and a pier on it already if that matters for speed of docking.
>>1760515I destroyed the wharf a few times and it kept coming back in the same spot like it was scripted to respawn or something. They had barely any ships or factories left but it was still making build progress somehow. It felt different from like XEN spamming defense platforms in a sector you've already cleared>>1760457It was very satisfying to instantly destroy hundreds of ships with the HQ but I definitely should've used a less cheesy strategy like yours.
>Hey would you patrol for us?>Sure, *brings a bunch of small fighters as escort just in case*>entire mission is them repeatedly cargo scanning my fleet and nothing elseO-ok thanks guys glad we could help
>>1744950>Is this game about the story? Making money? Do I win by destroying other factions?you do empire building in a way, it suffers the same issue as kenshi where you'll have infinite enemies thrown at you to curb your empirebuilding for funzies, if you want story-ish you are better off playing the older X games, even X-Rebirth which focus harder on the storytelling aspect and suffers for it instead of trying to balance it like, say, X3:Rhope egosoft can fix that in X5.
Damn it sure takes a long time for pilots to rank up in skill.
>>1760617You still need to either do or skip the questline, which is an awful questline and egosoft should feel bad about making it. Expedition my ass.Why they decided boron should do nothing is just hard to understand too.
>>1760800>custom game start>every plot you hate doing completevoila
>>1760800Also, I enjoyed the Boron plot the first time I did it. It's not as good as the CoH plots, but it was still p good. It's def not fun on repeat playthroughs tho. Too many time gates.
>>1760765>hope egosoft can fix that in X5The story went off-rails and never recovered the moment Saya Kho class-swapped into a genocidal maniac and blew up Torus which made no fucking sense. I get that Commonwealth was the intended protagonist POV but it would've been a bit more convincing if they weren't fucking around with AGI just like Terrans suspected. Then they turned off the gates. Then they tried to partially retcon the ME3-on-release civilization-ending implications of that action. Now it's just all about muh rebuilding that would realistically take a fucking century. I don't think we're ever getting back to Sohnen or shit like that.
>>1760890they are teasing weird time travel shit with the new expansion, i will keep huffing copium for them to undo all the gaytarded retcons and pretend X3:FL is some bad space weed trip until egosoft makes it clear that they want to draw in Elite players, they probably ran out of money or talent to pull a game with cinematics like X2:T and the exposition dumps like X3:R, X:R being blasted to hell and back clearly did not help, i did see the torus mission in X4 having similarities to rescuing don's daughter mission.
>>1760900>egosoft makes it clear that they want to draw in Elite playerswhat Elite players?
>>1760890>the moment Saya Kho class-swapped into a genocidal maniac and blew up Torus which made no fucking senseIt was so fucking stupid my head hurts, what were her stated reasons anyway? Terrans were doing some glownigger shit at the end of X3:TC, but were otherwise isolationist autists and it's not like they wanted to enslave the commonwealth. It's like someone at egosoft had a brainfart and absolutely insisted that they MUST blow up the torus because it would be the coolest thing ever, but nobody could come up with a good plot point to enable, it so they had some sort of a drinking game about it.
>>1760781There's a mod for that https://www.nexusmods.com/x4foundations/mods/8
>>1760916A woman in a position of power is a dangerous thing, anon. They aren't rational creatures.
>>1760920You're a mod for that.
>>1760904the ones that look around other space games and might stumble by X4.
>>1760916>>1760923the way they do it is retarded, how did saya even got the clearance to be near the torus to begin with? paranid cloaking tech doesnt really work on terrans and the torus blasts anyone without clearance on sight.though AP did show argons getting buttfucked in heretic's end and introduced Kyoto, my beloved.also it is easy to notice that AP's story content os extremely lacking when you compare it to TC or even Fanfiction's Legend.
>>1761057No I mean, what Elite players?
>>1761066>the way they do it is retarded, how did saya even got the clearance to be near the torus to begin with?I assumed being the daughter of Elena Kho played part in it. Either way it doesn't make sense because it didn't cripple the Terrans militarily, it did not enable the Commonwealth to capture Earth or some shit, all it accomplished really was the X equivalent of Operation British which made every Terran want to do to Argons what Khaak couldn't.
>>1761088>the X equivalent of Operation British which made every Terran want to do to Argons what Khaak couldn'tfuck the argons so hard the ancients had to shutdown the game with the excuse that it was to protect xenon? Paranids were busy getting fucked by the xenon
>>1749867>>1749882>>1750775Will I be okay with a 7700X3D and RTX 3080?
>>1761133Yes, but no.
>>1761148>but no.Anon please
>>1761133>X3Dyeah you'll be good
>>1761159The game will just run like shit sometimes because its eurojank. Thats the reality of it regardless of what overpriced nvidia tranny card you throw at it or if you have a decent processor or not.
>>1761161Okay I'll think about it, thanks.>>1761163So like every other modern game, that's awful. Thanks!How's combat in ships above fighters? Slug fests? Ships sitting there and pounding each other? Because if so, that sounds more fun zipping around.
>>1761167>zipping aroundand getting one shotted by random shit because fuck you
How many marines do you need for something like a sca plunderer phoenix vanguard?
>>1761167Don't listen to the retards. The game will "run like shit sometimes" because it's actively simulating every single ship in the game. The breadth of the simulation is massive and that comes with a processing cost. The X3D chips are the best for this game because the additional cache size assists in this task. As for combat, in vanilla you can take on any ship in a fighter if you know what you're doing. If you use the most popular combat mod (VRO), you will get "one shotted by random shit" in anything less than an L class ship. Whether you stick with vanilla or use VRO (or other mods that land you somewhere in-between) is a matter of taste.
>>1761178Is L class the largest ship type? I'm not really sure how to judge ship sizes unless it's Star Trek or Eve Online
>>1761178>don't listen to the retards>the retards were right thoughyeah ok buddy retard
>>1761182XL but that faggot only deals in XL buttplugs.
>>1761182>Is L class the largest ship type?No, L just won't get randomly one shot by anything in VRO (except one particular weapon).
>>1761170Holy shit nevermind doesn't matter anyhow this fucker will not die kek
>>1761195>spoiler: he did die actually
The fuck is going on with Zyarth?I disabled this wyvern while I was waiting for my marine boat to get back from refilling after capturing another and 3 other wyverns flew by while I was waiting.
>>1761256The only ship I have tried to board other than abandoned shitboxes decided to rudely die with my marines on it.
>>1760742Seems like its ok? I don't know. Probably best to make them their own stations with a trader set to move resources between them?
>>1760742there's nothing wrong with putting several different production facilities on one station if that's what you're asking. personally i like to separate my resource processing from my factories so that i only have to build container storage on most of my factories
>>1761546Yeah basically a hull parts factory with methane and ore for the inputs making its own energy. Seems to work "ok" Didn't know if it was suicide or if I needed extra docks or something.
I missed the sale while I wasn't home, fuck.
>>1760890>I don't think we're ever getting back to Sohnen or shit like that.We are because the shitty two minute boron storyline they pretended was expansion worthy teases them heavily and timelines is meant to hint at them even more.>it's just all about muh rebuilding that would realistically take a fucking century.I don't even bother with this. As far as I care everyone is already rebuilt and egosoft dropped the ball by including major factions instead of more ad hoc silliness like split and boron working together because some split family was totally fucked after the gate shutdown and had to rely on boron then became honor autismos about it.X4 pretty much released as an early access title and I think that even impacted dlcs that tend to be more filling out the basics than actually adding major stuff.
I hate walking around on stations to find npcs. For some reason the game keeps teleporting me back to my ship.
If a wharf/shipyard get destroyed and the sector it was in got overrun, does it get rebuilt in another sector? Antigone Memorial got overrun by Xenon in my playthrough.
>>1762098Do you always try to sprint using shift+D? Default sprint is double tap W.
>>1762106I mean shift+W.
>>1762098Stop pressing shift to run, you are accidentally pressing shift+D which is teleport to ship. Also install a mod for high running speed and jump height, so it's actually fun to run around
>>1761954Still half off on humble bundle
>>1762106>>1762122Oh I'm retarded. Thank you!
https://www.humblebundle.com/store/x4-community-of-planets-edition3 hours left for half off
>>1749900I accidentally started on a quest mission thing and yeah the npc I had to follow went 10,000 out of the blue lmao.>>1750409Not that anon but I appreciate this and am going to watch it, thank you.
>>1762602NP I'm sure there are probably better but the guy isn't too annoying and its a good primer. There are 4 vids in that series, none of them really all that long.
>>1762125Thank you! I grabbed it when you replied yesterday. I appreciate it>>1762561Based thanks.>>1762609Some other video by a different guy was 45 minutes long and his voice grated on my ears within the first minute. The one linked here is much, much better. Yesterday I accidentally started on I think it was the kingdoms quest line. I'll probably restart next time and fuck around instead.
>>1762613You don't need to restart, the quests will pretty much sit there and wait patiently at the start at least. Also just makes that much of the map you have to explore again. Its worth doing the Hatikivah mission that starts the chain as it gives you an ok ship you can immediately send out exploring for you.
>>1762613Oh, and no problem on the deal, its not a bad price. I was going to get the base game but for the difference in price why not get it all?
>>1762609The tip for binding mouse look is pretty good. As is the docking computer. I actually tried the mk 1 docking computer yesterday and it seemed okay, the mk 2 looks so much better. I was okay (and enjoyed) manual docking in Elite Dangerous but it feels janky in this game.>>1762616That was my thought too. >>1762615>the quests will pretty much sit there and wait patiently at the start at least.Oh, I see! I didn't explore much besides getting a captain and bee lining it towards the kingdom mission. Not begin rushed is good! >Hatikivah missionI'll try doing this next time, thanks.
>>1762630Mk2 Docking computer you basically just fly at the docking spot and it "catches" you when you get close. Though once you have a captain (which you want a cheap one, even on your personal ship) you can just get up and have them dock if you want.
>>1762636Thanks. How fun are L class ships?
>>1762640I haven't gotten to them yet. Been slowly growing my empire. Just set up a refined metals and hull parts factory chain and employed more gas and ore miners. I have like 5 frigates though. I really like the Cerberus Vanguard I overspent on. It has a landing pad on it even. The scale of the ships in x4 is pretty impressive. Destroyers and frigates are yuge.
>>1762640Too slow for most use but fun in a fight.
>>1762640Most are way too slow to be fun, but the Split have some great L player ships. Even their L miners are fast and well armed, great for piracy. A Terran Syn is also a great first capital ship if you do that Cadet storyline, modded it can reach 160+ speed and over 6k travel speed, has phat shields and a triple main battery which is good enough by itself to wreck any other factions' destroyers in seconds, leaving you free to fit it out with large beam turrets for taking out fighter swarms and medium turrets for flak or pulse.
>>1761182In vanilla, L class destroyers are the largest front-line combat ship type for most factions, while XL is relegated to support and/or fleet roles.The exception is the Terran faction, which has an XL battleship that sports a powerful spinal mount cannon; and the Split, whose XL carrier is a more of a battleship/carrier hybrid.Lots of mods, like VRO and the various ship packs, add XL battleships to the rest of the factions.
>>1763220>A Terran Syn is also a great first capital ship if you do that Cadet storylineNot them but is this from a specific start? Or can I start that questline from the "young gun" one for example?
>>1763622every story line can be done with any start
>>1763659Just making sure because some have custom starts and different things. Didn't know if it was a "quest" or "story" etc.
>>1762641>>1762802>>1763220I remember trying one of the old X games many years ago but all I remember is white Terran ships, some Xenon ship, a ton of ships fighting each other, and the very (whenever I hear it now) nostalgic computer voice. Welcome, to this Teladi Station. Trade restricitons are in effect. Or something like that.>>1763243>Lots of mods, like VRO and the various ship packs, add XL battleships to the rest of the factions.I saw that there's an EVE mod (that I think also uses VRO) and all the ships for it are L and 2 of each faction are XL. Have you tried it and is it fun? It looked kind of interesting but it seems they use vanilla ships below L size.
>>1763680>EVE mod without venture minerswhat is the point?
>>1763681It does seem silly, yeah. They're all combat ships besides each faction having a freighter in the L category. I'm assuming the only ship mod pack that has a bunch of different sizes is the star wars one.
>>1763688I mean anything is more than nothing I'm being a smartass its just on the shortlist of ships if you're doing that kind of mod. Iteron, Venture, some of the exhumers maybe, a rorqual if you're feeling fancy. Then some combat meme shit obviously.
>>1763692>IteronPaint the Incarcatura green. I was surprised that the mods even existed so that's cool. Exhumers would be interesting, yeah. I should probably play vanilla first but gosh is it tempting.
>>1763701I'm tens of hours into an unmodded playthrough with tons more to do. No need to rush. If anything with 7.0 coming it is probably a good idea to wait on mods anyhow.
>>1763708Will vanilla saves work with the 7.0 update or will they make us start over?
>>1763670custom start is different, every normal start can do any quest/story
>>1763717they will work
>>1763622Not him, you mean?
>>1763717Vanilla saves will always work with new patches. This is a strict policy Egosoft has because they'd rather cater to the 10 people who only play a single save for years than make big, meaningful changes that would improve the game for everyone. I love this game and have massive respect for Egosoft, but I hate this retarded policy of theirs.
What are you most looking forward to in Timelines? For me it's another banger soundtrack from Alexei.
>>1763830I'm wishing Bernd would put VR back in X4 but I know it's never gonna happen considering that X:R VR flopped.
>>1763868at least it supports 6dof headtracking
>>1763779Thanks!>>1763823Thanks! Keeping save compatibility is something a lot of game devs do (or used to) so it's kind of funny seeing when games don't.>>1763868There was VR for X4? I guess I missed my chance to try it out.
No, X:Rebirth had a VR version. You CAN play X4 in VR, but it's kind of a pain to setup and not really worth it since you spend so much time in the menus.
>>1763961>not really worth it since you spend so much time in the menus.That makes sense. Reading text in vr is suffering.
>wake up>think about profitsssSuch is life as teladi.
The way the ship computer says Fortune sounds like 4chan.
>>1764059Reminds me of X3 having errors with the ESL voice actress doing things like pronouncing "Rhy's Crusade" as "Reece's Crusade", or "Kuiper Belt" as "Kooeeper Belt" (Kuiper rhymes with Viper)
>>1764064Isn't it some text to speech thing?
Is there a way to salvage all round engines?Aesthetically they look better on certain ships but they are always the inferior to combat or travel.
i hate that radio crackle that plays before/after each line, it makes dialogue that's already kind of disjointed and ESL-y sound even worse
Do factions rebuild stations?
>>1764362Yea they rebuild but depends on context and can be slow. You can wipe a faction out but eventually, they will respawn usually in an empty sector with a wharf shipyard and some stations. I believe they might respawn in an owned or contested as well as I could've sworn I've seen it happen in one of my saves. It's been a long time but they without a doubt respawn in empty ownerless sectors with a somewhat generous set of stations and ships.
>>1764404they spawn build plots and get wares from friendly factions, teladi usually are ones that have great economy and many friends they supply to
>>1764414i'd be hesitant to say teladi are typical. lot of weird stuff can happen if you get some universe seeds. quite a few variables there beyond that. they are however the most aggressive with enemies and sector claiming.
>>1763830Surprisingly, nothing. I'll look at the new ships and then remember the AI is shitty. Reports are mostly in agreement that their constant AI improvements can't fix the problems.
Split say you come eat at shitty wok!
>>1764654What's wrong with the AI? I'm new.
>>1764654Name a single strategy game with good AI. You can't.
>>1764705It's terrible at most things especially when you're actually in sector watching it. Also, what may be a great player ship will be garbage in AI hands. If you can live with working around it and composing specific fleets for in sector/out of sector duties it's not bad.
>>1764713>Also, what may be a great player ship will be garbage in AI handsNot nearly as true in 7.0. AI is much better at handling forward guns on cap ships now.
>get sick of game taking 10yrs to autosave every now and then because it's retarded and can't tell if SETI is on or not>turn off autosave>1 IRL hour later game crashes for the first time in over 300hr of playDon't fucking tell me the autosave takes so long because it does some sort of memory clearing in the background and the game really needs it?
>>1764805Ummm my game takes like 5 seconds to autosave?
>>1763830Aldrin ships.If aldrin is in the open universe but is locked behind timelines that alone will determine if I get it.
>>1764812Hopefully without the huge, AI-crushing asteroid in their main sector this time
>>1764812>Aldrin ships.What's so special about them?
>>1764829Behold!
>>1765238That's a pretty ship!
>>1764829Translated into X4? Not much. You'd get an even faster and better looking Katana in >>1765238 and that's about it, but they jacked up Katana's speed so much already the difference will be negligible. The Aldrin M3 was also good but M3s aren't all that relevant in X4.
>>1765238This ship was godly but I prefered the Hyperion.
>>1765238>fly the Springy>extremely fast, turning is mediocre but whatever>huge cargo bay for heavy weapons, can solo M7s without a hitch>dock at a station>immediately die when undocking because the back fins are so huge they clip into the stationThat's when I found out about safe undocking mods
>>1764812With all the xenon additions aldrin is very possible.
So I finally did the chain involving the terrans up until you get a thankyou from dr 80s breakdance man....holy shit that was fucking insufferable and I managed to lose my hull parts factory during it as multiple pirate destroyers showed up and just pummeled me. But the game didn't want to actually let me know that since it wasn't my faction at the time. I only noticed because getting out of the ship late into the chain I found out my people were in trouble. Previous to this I'd never seen a destroyer in the system let alone multiple. Super cool! And of course that long mission gave a ton of credits and stuff right? Nope. Nada. Oh ok, great. Thanks.
>>1765919The ship's AI is very cute and I was sad when she left.
>>1766160For sure and the ship is a nice little transport... but what the fuck were they thinking? In fact, in general what the fuck were they thinking with the lack of payout on 99% of what you do for these people. Buy laser towers, set them up, buy satellites whatever, nothing paid. One mission after setting up some towers gives you a 45k like its a fucking joke or something.Meanwhile the jelly boys in their scuba suits gave me 750k for some actual combat that while interesting, wasn't actually that hard at all. Makes no sense. Just an insult after I lost my whole fucking empire basically for the game to not even bother giving you a trinket.
So is there a place I can just buy spacefly caviar or do I need to hunt around for eggs?
>>1766206Black market traders might have them. They used to be a lot more common from xenon but drops across the board got nerfed in 7.0. Your best bet is probably blasting the rock nuggets on asteroids.
>pluto and oort cloud have several buy orders for 80k ore/silicon/hydrogen>barely any terran miners supplying them>see bolos everywhere around the highway.I have near 20 miners in terran space supplying things now but what causes the AI to neglect its own economy so?
>>1766345Terrans are shoot retards.
>>1766170Wait until you find out the endgame rewards for spending literally billions and tens of thousands of resources to end faction questlines and terraforming.>>1766345Terran economy is insanely resource hungry and their mining ships and freighters are slooooow as fuck. I have like 20 production facilities of each type in Terran space plus over 100 trade/mining ships, all self sufficient and it's only just enough to keep one shipyard going.
>>1766560I "unlocked" terraforming according to the jellyfish but they didn't bother to say anything about what the fuck that meant or how or where you can even do anything. It was super great.I assume anything like that would cost a bunch of stupid resources the retarded AI won't bother to make themselves.I'm mostly still sore about my fucking hull parts station kek
>Hey do a bunch of shit for a bunch of 80iq retarded slavers>They just insult you no matter what and you get nothing out of itok thanks cool bro much appreciated this entire species won't die by my fire one day honest.
>>1766720>bro its for split freedom>ok but they'll stop enslaving people right>lol no
>>1764709Yea at a loss where an ai controlled faction in any game is good. They always have faults. The difficulty with them even if okay is the level of player handicap and any cheats by the ai to shore it up. I would say good ai is a dev that has a good read on the balance of cheats and handicap needed to make it seem difficult for the players. The downside as always is when the game is solved and metas to tackle it are more widespread.
>>1729224what's this game doing that makes my computer want to explode? runs raytracing stuff alright but starts to overheat within minutes of booting this up
>>1766345Ego puts in specific limits on the game like faction logic sector locks ships etc for the player. You have to go thru and mod out all the player centric things to get it semi organic.
>>1766978Never had an issue with starting the game to main menu. Lack of settings to offset performance late game was always a concern though. The game will eat more and more memory and CPU on a save where you know more of the sectors regardless. One workaround since launch is to go through your save and delete discovered data on sectors and factions where you don't or won't have a presence. Game will tax your system to simulate what isn't in the flow so to speak.
>>1766974I'm at a loss where player controlled factions in any game are good.
>>1766978It simulates way too much stuff.
>>1766644You should see terraforming related mission offers once you unlock terraforming. Even the simplest terraforming mission will require insane amounts of resources, 100s of thousands of drone parts, 50k+ advanced electronics etc. It's only really worth it to do the minimum and unlock pilot and marine training with the Aerial Maze and Martial Art school, can get all the 5 star pilots and marines you want then.
>>1767229Their pacing of story rewards are mostly terrible. The only mission that feels about right is the astrid stuff and even that has a lot of busy work. Cradle of humanity was good too although the syn you get is a bit wild. Too many missions are like pay 500m credits to start a war to maybe make more money even though you already have infinite money because demand is nearly bottomless.
>>1767232Yeah the rewards truly suck compared to X3. The lack of any dynamic power struggles between the AI makes endgame suck too since like you say it's always some expensive quest chain to get things moving. Not sure if there's mods for it but being able to do cool shit like steal a factions destroyer and use it to frame that faction for an attack on a station etc to stir up conflict would be great. When you get to the point you can print fleets in minutes the game falls apart, tempted to just start a new game where the only AI I use are wingmen for my player ship and have my own secret pirate base in the middle of nowhere to stash shit and just rely on piracy, illegal goods and legit boarding for $$$.
>>1766720You can side with the Zyarth Patriarchy which wants to give slaves rights so the Argon aren't continually attacking them, so that they can concentrate their resources on fighting rebels. Alternatively you can side with the Curbs who are currently freeing slaves to destabilize the Zyarth, because they're traditionalists who are against giving slaves any rights and want to be free to truly oppress slaves like in the old days.There's no good side to the Split civil war. It's best to just let the whole thing run it's course and sell weapons to both sides.
>>1767409Or, or, I could kill them all.
Are large freighters for trading a joke? I spent like 6 million on a ship and its been spinning in circles for 5 minutes now near the shipyard it was built at.
>>1767434Large freighters are too big to do tramp trading effectively, the AI is probably trying to find a trade deal that will fill their hold but not finding any. Medium freighters are much more effective.Large Freighters are better for places that have a huge supply like selling resources from your own ship component factory to a starved wharf or shipyard. That or bulk-buying resources to build a station. Or hauling resources between two stations.
>>1767439Yeah that seems to be the case, oh well, maybe I'll fill it with cheap ships and put it on a station.
Do you get a news article sent to your email regardless of what sector you claim?
>>1767445No, it's just the Heretic's End that causes some emails. Beyond that there's emails relating to terraforming if you move the PHQ in systems related to that.
>>1767447Do they actually do anything or is it just flavor?
I kind of wish the original phq questline was still in the game for the vanilla starts. But it is kind of funny that when you get to heretic's end it's implied that boso has liquified both of his other assistants.>the original that warps the station the first time>the terran that builds the dock and gets boso outThen the boron start has the phq in yet a new location and boso is again without an assistant.
>>1767453Can't you just disable the dlc, then enable it after you do the quest?
>>1767450Before claiming Heretic's End the sector is set to be unclaimable by NPCs. If the player abandons the sector then NPCs will fight over it, so it has a minor mechanical effect. NPCs won't try to claim the sector while the player is in control.
>>1767460Oh interesting. Makes me want to create a power vacuum down the road.
>>1767461I like it, generally I love when games do state changes as news reports and wish X4 did more of that. I'd 'subscribe' to a procedurally generated newspaper that talked about major ship battles, systems changing hands, major prolonged shortages. I get a kick of the "Argon News Network" cutscenes that accompany the player's Terraforming work.
>>1767467Yeah that was what originally prompted the question. I wish there were more news briefs. Kenshi while busted has some pretty fun stuff with world states.
Is x3 reunion a decent game to play if I've never gotten into this series? I played it a tiny tiny bit years ago and there was one song on the ost that was one of the comfiest things ive ever heard so I find myself drawn to that one
>>1767527X3 is a good game but the whole bundle is 44 usd on gog right now (50% off) if you're interested in x4.https://www.gog.com/en/game/x4_community_of_planets_edition
>>1767461It's the only way to activate the boron into actually doing anything.
>>1767717To be fair that at least fits their disposition in the storyline. They didn't seem too eager to expand.
>>1767527i play it for she https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icms6Y1ChxI
>>1767780Egosoft forgot that outside of war the sandbox doesn't simulate anything so without a bordering enemy they don't have anything to do after a certain point because scripting vigor as proper pirates was too much for them.
>>1767020EVE
>>1767936That is actually probably the worst example you could give for the past 10~ years or so kek
>Tell carrier to attack defense platform kocks magically spawned en masse in the corner of my system.>It... does nothing.Cool, very cool. Thanks. I can manually tell it to fly near but the second I try to set it to attack it turns around to leave.
>>1767947I stopped playing it years ago but it was great.
>>1768001CCP has purposefully killed that game like 8 times over despite the population trying its best. They recently raised the price on subs.
Anyone playing with XRSGE? It and his companion ship mod work with 7.0 so I decided to give it a whirl and I'm digging big space. The more realistic physics from his ship mod are fun and open up some more advanced combat tactics, especially in S and M ships. Feels more like Elite.
>>1767966Destroyer has no problem skullfucking the kha'ak. Carrier still doesn't know what it wants to do Oh well
>>1767527Let me guess. It was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi1M747Iw48
>>1767966Carries don't have main batteries and cant directly attack like normal ships, they need to use fleet staging commands. PS don't ever use carriers or s/m ships against khaak bases. Their kyon beams have 100% accuracy and will wipe them all in seconds. Use a destroyer. A single destroyer with a main battery will wreck a khaak outpost and shield tank all the damage. Just make sure it has enough flak turrets to keep the swarms at bay. The Khaak hives (cluster of outposts together) are no joke though, you either need to use an Asgard or 3+ strong destroyers
>>1767527Reunion is fun. Ships are overall the slowest in the series (the standard variant of the Argon Nova went from 163 -> 114 -> 150 m/s in X2 -> X3R -> X3TC, for example) but you get used to it and there are still plenty of ships with decent speeds. It also has relatively toothless enemy factions compared to the other games, which may be a good or bad thing depending on how pissed off you get at them attacking your stuff.
>>1768052Yeah I figured out that on my own >>1768016no idea about photoshop though thats great I guess? The whole cock system sucks tee bee haitch.
>>1767434No! L class Paranid freighters print money, but you need a full satellite network and do the trading manually. Just queue up 20 buy/sell orders for high value stuff and forget it exits for the next 5 hours, takes like 10 seconds. Early game i have 10 of those making me money and go straight into a large, self sustaining advanced electronics complex.
>>1768012The games mechanics don't scale with it. For example you need to be in 40km range for superhighways(the gates between sub sectors, not the highwa) to light up on your map/radar, if your hexagon is 5000 kilometers large you'll never going to find it. The satellites with increased range don't actually work, this is hardcoded stuff. And if you travel with too much speed the simulation goes derp because only in those 40km things are rendered and calculated. My game crashes when i try travelling the ring highway.
>>1768146Ouch sad to hear about your crashes glad I don't have that problem *knock on kha'ak*
>>1768148It would be the best map mod out there if that guy stuck to a more sensible scale where the 40km limitation wouldn't be so bad.
About to start X2. Any tips?
>>1768318Nice dress
>>1768318I don't know how much to say without handholding, or whether you've played other X games before.I will say that your starting Discoverer comes pretty much maxed out, but it still sucks shit because it's an M5. You'll die instantly against anything with a turret and Gamma IREs aren't strong enough to deal with the shields of a Pirate Orinoco. Mandalays are no problem and Bayamons can be taken with some effort.
>>1768049Alexei's work on X4 is leagues beyond his work on X3 imo.
>>1768337
Beta 7 update is out. More AI improvements.
>>1768318I thought of some generic tips while I was falling asleep>unlike in later games, in X2 you have to open your cargo bay with O to pick up cargo crates>most stations have a secret cargo container of wares somewhere within their interior. It's never anything amazing but it helps a lot in the early game.Make sure you have a decent cargo ship for that though, since you can't target them to know what it is beforehand if it's something like Silicon Wafers that need an XL cargo hold you'll waste them if you try to pick them up in a small ship. The main plot gives you a free Mercury pretty quickly that will be able to carry just about anything.>the different nebulas aren't just for show, some of them have very real effects. Avoid flying through icy nebulas as much as possible, since they bypass shields and deal hull damage while you're in them. One of the secret sectors is completely full of them.>stations in the Pirate sectors belong to all different races, so you can usually dock at some of them even if your first attempt refuses docking permission. You can tell who owns which station by one of the letters in their ID.
>>1768645>TP Argon Express interiorI miss passenger missions. And by that I mean missions where I had to have a ship capable of carrying 100+ passengers, fly to interesting locations as quickly as possible. TPs were also great for carrying marines, in X4 the "troop carriers" are freighters and that feels wrong.
>>1768762I kind of like marine freighters because they give the impression they're using containers as boarding craft.
There was a slave trade in X2 and you could convert freighters into passanger ships via cargo bay life support extension. Slave trade is the best.
What even is Timelines? Just some scenarios that no one will play? Base 7.0 has the ships and sectors for free. There better be a surprise faction or something otherwise why would I buy it? I play for the sandbox not their shitty plots.
>>1768914Apparently this new stuff adds an "endgame crisis" or some shit that doesn't start until you have hundreds of millions in military ships paid for.
More like X4 tanlines
>>1768923Crisis is in base 7.0
>>1768939It's in base 7.0 and it's pretty much universally hated. But they seem to be keeping it anyway.
>>1768977Eh it's opt in anyway. Just use RotOR
>>1756095no the asgards will fly to within 2 (two) meters of a Xenon solar power plant and die like a bitch.
>>1769136If x4 had functional AI and maybe enough rudimentary faction control to let AI formally declare war on the player than it might become the best space sim in existence. As it is now it's just watching fleets crash into each other. Not to mention I really dislike x4s implementation of pirates and neutral empty space.
>>1769179It might be just me but I'm glad the AI can't declare war on you. That kind of shit never works out well in games. Maybe if it was limited or quest related.
It's kind of dumb that the player can even challenge the big factions, really. We shouldn't be able to become more than a big corporation imo.
>>1769234>t. israel
3 destroyers really changes shit around a bit doesn't it? Fuck around find out alien faggots.
Gentlemen, I present to you the most essential X4 mod: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2054528415
>>1769273That's not a loli mod
>>1769273thats not a "eve online venture miner" mod
>>1768049If only it didn't have vocals in it I'd have added this to my mp3 collection years ago.
So.. how do I get rid of an I (and 2 Ks)?5 TER Destroyers do nothing to it because the AI is too braindead to focus fire on it.
>>1769290For K I just use 10 M class Katanas rigged up with heavy torpedo and plasma cannons. They should wreck it with no casualties, not sure about the I because I've always just gone after those with my Asgard, which one shots them (annhilator mod on main gun).
>>1769290One destroyer, preferably not Odysseus but they work too. Put Paranid L Plasma turrets on them and stay at 8-9km. Some deatroyer main batteries have 9-10km range, but notably Split and Paranid don't.
>>1769426***Split and Terran. Paranid definitely do along with Argon. I forget about the lizzerds.
>>1768730>nebula damageI hate this shit. Even in x4 AI still drives you into the middle of the most radioactive aids cloud and then just stops and drops controls like "whoops, you deal with that now"
>>1769436THIS SPACE IS SPACE AIDS, THAT SPACE 1 PIXEL OVER IS NOTUGH ITS NOT HARD
Timelines and 7.0 release on the 20th. Are you paying for a few ships locked behind shitty scenarios (until a modder fixes that), anon? I guess I am. https://youtu.be/hFNrlEtpmiA?si=qnjKWnGFvpIOdF5q
The 20th is earlier than I thought it was going to be desu
>>1769691The scenarios might be fun, who knows. If it's a real slog to unlock the ships then it definitely won't be.
>>1769691>>1769701The day before the Elden Ring DLC releases lmao. idk maybe there's not a lot of overlap in playerbases, but that's pretty ballsy.
>>1769704I don't think there is an overlap, Elden Ring is a very normie game.
>>1769426>>1769336I'm trying a TER only run, so I don't want to use other race's equipment.The Osaka's Main Batteries are really underwhelming when facing XEN capitals or stations.I haven't experimented with missiles yet so I'll give that a try, or maybe advance the TER quests to get the big boy ships.Still, I've claimed Frontier Edge and Atiya's Misfortune I for myself which is sweet.
>>1769691How many dollerydoos do they want?
>>1769702>If it's a real slog to unlock the ships then it definitely won't be.all their missions are slogs.
Treybor combined all of his sectors into one mod with 7.0 compatibility. It's really well done. This map feels great.
>>1769826If you're only using Terran equipment the lack of Plasma really hurts. If you're not using fighters to provide cover to your destroyers then use a mix of destroyers, some with all Beams set to anti-fighter, some set to have all missile turrets - set the medium turrets to fire interceptor/light cluster missiles at fighters and the large to fire heavy cluster at capitals only. But yeah, get the Syn blueprints asap as those are way better brawlers than Osaka
>when you like a specific paint scheme but the engines never match
>>1770082There is a mod for that
>nobody interested in the dlcWe're going to see if egosoft keeping everything so tight lipped was a 4d chess move or because they know they have almost nothing but a glorified ship pack. It seems they kept the crisis as is for some unknowable reason.
>>1769704Different game, different genre.
>>1770168Doesn't matter. Everyone plays Elden Ring. It's a dumb move to release their DLC at the same time.
>>1770170Who? No one would want to touch some generic console movie.
>>1770180Ok retard
>>1770170I don't know single person irl who played it longer than 2 hours.
>>1770194>posts retarded opinions>calls someone else retardedLol.
>>1770195>>1770205So this thread is just denying reality now because they don't like a particular genre of vidya? Like it or not, Elden Ring is huge and I'd bet that everyone except the boomerest of boomer X4 players are anticipating the DLC.
>>1770215>people are excited for the shity dlc for some literally who yet another shitsouls clone, pls trust me!Still not touching any of your boring console movies. Come back when consoles have actual video games.
>>1770219>N-NO I DON'T LIKE IT SO IT CAN'T BE POPULAR M-MOMMYYY MAKE HIM STOP
>>1770220>nooooo why aren't you excited for my goyslop!11It's okay, anon. You'll grow up one day.
>>1770221Whether you are or aren't excited for it is irrelevant to me and the fact that it was a bad business decision for Egosoft to release their DLC in the same week. I'm personally not all that excited for it either; I'm burnt out on souls games.
Teladi are some weird looking motherfuckers.
>>1770222You're a bad business decision.
>>1770339Get the mod that gives them clothes https://www.nexusmods.com/x4foundations/mods/1089/?tab=description
>>1770215You are talking about ER DLC in X4 thread on /vst/ do you feel alright?
>>1770424Nah its funnier that some of them just wear helmets and nothing else kek
>>1770428I am talking about the timing of X4's DLC release in the X4 thread.
>>1770441Hrmpf true
>>1770441>YOU CAN'T JUST RELEASE A PRODUCT AROUND THE SAME TIME AS MY HECKIN ELDIN RINGERINO BRO!this is you right now
>>1770448I'm glad it's coming out soon. I just think it's dumb on their part. Especially because this isn't exactly a highly anticipated DLC. Why are you so triggered by me questioning Egosoft's financial decisions? Do you work for them?
>>1770451>y-you're just triggered!kek you're just embarrassing yourself at this point
>>1770454Ok
>he's now posting his favorite preddit memesoh no no no
If nothing else the ships in timelines seem to be a big step up.
>>1770479If its 15 usd I'll buy it. Someone has to help them justify their government grants.
>>1770486I buy it all but it doesn't mean I enjoy it. Kingdom end especially I almost haven't played since it added so little.
>>1770215kek I was just reading the Steam discussion of the release date and look even the Germans prefer Elden Ring
>>1770488Oh don't get me wrong, I have no doubt the story missions will fucking suck, be tedious and obfuscated weirdly, and give nothing of merit.
>he screenshotted his own post
>>1770488I love the Boron sectors.
>>1770499What do you do except afk in them?
>>1770504afk and play Elden Ring in them
Is there a way to automate raising faction standings when you're like -10+?I know people say to shoot criminals but is there a command that works for that for my pilots? Protect station doesn't seem to work. I killed like 10 fuckers and didn't get a point so I'd much rather let my ace pilots deal with it.
>>1770518this
>>1770504If you use one of the mods that add more jumpgate connections to Boron space it becomes more relevant.
>>1770529I mean, even then, that is most sectors. Outside of flashpoints I rarely go anywhere. The game doesn't make me, it doesn't incentivize me, and you could probably see 99% of the action just by staying on the ring network.
>>1770533I gooo to wherever there are profitsssSplit ssspace tends to be very lucrative.
>>1770540I'm watching you, alium.
>>1770518>watch*Fixed
>>1770533Some people just aren't built for sandbox games, anon. And that's ok.
>>1770642Before I found a map online I wasn't even aware paranid and hop space was four sectors deep.
The way exploration is handled is partly to blame. Sometimes acceleration gates are so far out of the way that if you aren't pixel hunting with zoom or following transports you'll never know there's something out there. I wish controlled stations mapped themselves when you hit +10 relations.
>>1770522Just get to -9 so you can start trading with them then set up a ship with repeat order to buy/sell 1 energy cell to that faction. Protect station should work but you'd personally still need to be in range of the station to cause the criminals to spawn.
>>1770642What fun is there left to do once you've become big enough to wipe everyone if you wanted and completed the story missions?
>>1770820>Just get to -9Yes.. thats what I'm trying to do. Protect station doesn't work sadly it seems. You have to be behind the wheel. Its very tedious.
>>1770828If you dont have SETA i'd work on getting that first, it should only take a couple of mins to get to from -15 to -9 with SETA. What faction is it? Killing any of their enemies from other factions in sector will give rep. It can be easy to miss opportunities if you're not hostile to whoever their enemy is as they'll all show up as blue/pink, by default HOP are hostile to every other faction so you could look for their ships.
>>1770833See people say this but killing xenons for example has never given me anything right next to stations.
>>1770821That's when you start doing stupid shit like making giga complexes or tractor beaming asteroids into funny shapes
>>1770836It definitely works as long as you're within (I think) 40km of a station. There's often a bit of a delay before you get the reward though and the bigger the ship class you destroy the better, the higher your rep the harder it gets to gain even 1 rep point from smaller kills. If there's an enemy station in the sector you get a huge chunk of rep for destroying it no matter how far out it is.
>>1770821Do satellite repair missions for 20k credits.
>>1770878No no, minefield clearing and data leak
