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>>2733135
Just because a wooden boat looks good doesn't mean it's not fucked under the hood and wood is a HUGE pain to fix, have to pull apart the hull and do all sorts of specialized shit rather just patch and glass the problem area. If it's a good price then it's a good price for a reason. A classic wooden boat that is in genuinely good shape is usually expensive. Buy a 70s fiberglass boat m8.
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>>2733149
>>2733206
thanks for the advice guys. how about durability, like if i (god forbid) run it onto the rocks would fiberglass just shatter into a million pieces vs wood could take more of a beating? i have visions of carbon fibre bike frames that snap into shards from the slightest provocation
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>>2733267
Very roughly speaking, the durability is about the same, and it varies depending on build type like you would expect it to. e.g. a thinly-built, weight-reduced racing cruiser made of wood or fiberglass would be highly likely to break apart if you hit rocks at speed, whereas a beefed-up, thick-hulled blue water cruiser (whether wood or fiberglass) would have significantly better survival odds. For example, Westsail 32s have extremely beefy fiberglass hulls and you can find stories of people getting hit by ocean freighters, ramming into shipping containers, sailing through cyclones, 30ft.+ rogue waves, etc. and not breaking up (this is on the extreme end of durability though, obviously lighter ships would not survive a lot of that).

Video related, Westsail 32 getting picked up and thrown by a rogue wave.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u2HbUSHrqY
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>>2733267
If the boat is on the rocks it's fucked no matter what. Stay away from rocks. After that fibreglass is basically bulletproof and is dead easy/inexpensive to repair yourself. A good starter is a 20-24' keelboat built in the 60-70's out of fiberglass. Go out and sail, fix things yourself.
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>>2733267
>would fiberglass just shatter into a million pieces
fiberglass isn't glass lol, it's not going to shatter. Fiberglass is very robust. Grounding on rocks will still gouge the hell out of it but its not a brittle material.

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How much does weight really limit your travel distance?
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>>2732983
But this is an indoor board.
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>>2733030
I remember doing that in an RPG game I played.
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>>2733127
proof?
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>>2733030
Did you meet a park ranger that took an arrow to his knee along your travels across the land?
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>>2733030
Lmao I didn't get it at first

Currently assembling my at home and outdoors first aid kit. What is essential gear that I need to have? Or are there any preassembled kits that y'all reccomend that aren't just fancy band aid packs?

I'm already getting tourniquets and cpr masks (I know CPR doesn't use mouth to mouth but mouth to mouth is used after Heimmlich and other forms do respiratory arrest) and I'm also getting big ass scissors of course.
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>>2730850
>And if he doesn't need it, but panicks and uses it, he's also fucked.
Not really

There is essentially no risk of ischaemic injury to nerves or other tissues if a tourniquet is left on for less than 2 hours, and even up to 6 hours there remains a strong chance of saving the limb (although surgery may be necessary and as you approach 6h the risk of at least some permanent complications increase). There has even been one case where a chopper pilot was shot in the wrist, had a tourniquet left in place for 16 hours and the eventually regained near-normal function in the hand, enough that they were back in cockpit by the end of it (that is admittedly a bit of a medical miracle though).

You're not wrong to say that tourniquets are dangerous if they're used unnecessarily but that's a reason to go out and get training, not a reason to avoid carrying one. Stop The Bleed courses are free in most areas and Wilderness First Aid courses are worthwhile for anyone who goes /out/ regularly.

And hell, if some anon overreacts and puts a tourniquet on unnecessarily only to realise that medical care is more than 2h away then he can just take it off again (assuming he does so within an hour). At the very least the tourniquet will have given him some time to properly dress and bandage the wound without pouring blood everywhere.
That said, never remove a tourniquet once it has been left in place for more than an hour. After that point toxins can build up in the injured limb which may cause a cardiac arrest if released. Losing the limb is better than losing one's life.
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Do any of you carry Potassium Permanganate? If so, what for?
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>>2731149
Nah
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>>2727541
if op thinks an extremity hemorrhage is the most likely thing he'll come across and is the first item on his make believe shopping list, there is not a strong enough way to express how retarded op is

>>2726782
>snake bite medication
I'm now 100% convinced this is bait
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>>2730341
It's big. With 70% and 90% blood clotting bandages and tourniquets. Aspirin and poop medicines. Tick pullers and tweezers. Just got back from a leg warmernin Da Yoop. Only use the aspirin and melatonin. And electrolytes in the water.

Where can I just walk for like, years and years? Florida? California?

Lease ending in a few months and for the last few years I've basically been holding onto society by a thread. I can't keep it up anymore. I'm out of jobs that I think I could do. I'm out of money. I lack the parts to be normal. I'll probably miss my last rent payment, but I am just too crazy to get a job. It's just not there for me anymore. That ship has sailed. So it's time to be a hobo. Walking is all I've ever been good at.
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>>2731775
Sounds cool got any stories? I walked south to north a few years ago and had a blast
>>2732332
Ive never had any issues with this, got stopped once by bored cops cause i was walking w traffic and they told me to cross the road and walk on the other side. You sound like a pussy, stay in your cope shed.
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>>2731694
>Lately
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>>2732332
lmao america is dystopian, zero freedom
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>>2731577
If youre gonna walk, you should walk a long trail. PCT, AT, CDT, arizona trail, florida trail, coloroado trail..etc

Otherwise, look into bike packing.

just beg for money. hold a sign and ask for money. theres no shame being a traveler. its fun

I'll be wild camping in a place on the border of mountain lion ranges but it's very common for them to wander into the area I'll be.

I'm not bringing any food since I plan to eat fish. So the only odor shit I'll have is toothpaste. So should I bring baking soda? Does that have any smell affect on mountain lions? I'm not going to be in grizzly country so mountain lions are the main concern.
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>>2732383
black bears are a far bigger worry for smellables storage. I’m assuming there would be some because generally the ranges overlap. mountain lions do not give a fuck about our food, or us in general.

BUT i would not care at all about toothpaste. I never put that shit or my chapsticks or sunscreen or whatever other non-food smellables in a bear can or anything. preventing access to any smellables is really only an issue in places with serious bear problems, like campground in national parks in the sierras.
far more of a concern is any of your cooking/eating stuff that has fish smell, but again way more of a concern for bears than mountain lions.

ultimately I’ve never known anyone to take precautions for mountain lions, only bears.
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>>2732444
How is a moose dangerous? Just stand behind a tree?
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>>2732773
>ends statements with question marks
>woman logic
Checks out
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>>2732412
>I wouldn't worry about it.
yeah ok i know what you're up to
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>>2732383
Way better to bring your own vac sealed de-hydrated meals than fish freshly caught.

The fish oils will persist. Chili mac with water aroma flees.

Good luck avoiding critters, anon. You'll need the luck.

>I live in New England, birthplace of faggot ass Lyme Disease, ticks are everywhere innawoods
>Already had Lyme twice in my youth, never want that shit again

I bought a pair of $100 pants from Duluth that were branded as "no bug/tick" which according to the label is some proprietary Permethrin infusion.
>catch tick
>put it on pants
>watch it walk all over for several minutes, completely unbothered by the "kills bugs and ticks guaranteed!" pants
>return pants because they clearly do not fucking work

So were these pants just trash? Or is Permethrin ineffective?

What is the best way to protect from these little fuckers? Between hiking, mushrooming, and camping i'm off trail at least 75% of the time essentially bushwhacking through trees and brush.
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I'm living alone. If a tick latches on to me in a place that I can't see, say ass or back of the scrotum, how the hell will I even tell I have one before I get hospitalized and have permament brain damage?
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>>2732271
Lose weight. I can easily see the back of my balls. And can see my backside in the mirror. It's easy if you aren't morbidly obese.
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>>2732271
idk fren, it's unpleasant to consider
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>>2732282
I've read online that Picardin is underwhelming compared to Permethrin

What are the best long distance walks in Europe?
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>>2692749
The GR20 is considered one of the most beautifull and pretty difficult, not the longest tho 180Km, 11/15 days

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentier_de_grande_randonn%C3%A9e_20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L7bovqnVkI&ab_channel=%E9%87%8E%E7%94%9F%E7%88%B1%E7%8E%9BEmmaOutThere

https://gr20-infos.com/en/accueil/
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>>2707347
>Europeans aren’t into it
Dude what the fuck.

Mountain ranges in Europe are always busy with hikers from spring to fall, certain mountains where I live (Tatra) are memed to oblivion because they're genuinely crowded with people, especially on the holidays.

A lot of people in Europe do what you'd call hiking and other outdoor stuff, it's just they don't treat it like their whole personality, don't buy tons of gear and scream about it on the internet.

Also there isn't a big outdoor sleeping culture here because there are hotels all around you and for a lot of people it just doesn't make sense, unlike in America where there are no options for sleeping outside a tent in a lot of places.
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>>2707347
>a handful of European companies that make decent hiking gear
>literally half of the high end alpine/hiking footwear manufacturers are european
ever heard of salomon, asolo, scarpa, zamberlan, hanwag, and so on, what the fuck
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>>2692749
I'm working my way through the Scandinavian bits of the E6. So far it's been very enjoyable.
https://www.traildino.com/trace/continents-Europe/countries-Sweden/trails-E6
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>>2732399
HrrrnnnnngggrrrrRRRAAAAGGGGHH I MUST CONSUME

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Just got certed and i think it’s my new favorite activity. General discussion, also anyone in CO want to dive some alpine lakes with me?
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>>2732360
Are you one retard or multiple retards pretending to be the same retard? You have such a distinct and retarded style.
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>>2732374
ishould,,,benamefagin.,easy tofilter.,
,,,,,justoldays,,,keepme amuzed.,
,,belly almostouching sand swiming cruise 3 feetsdeep(thats 1 yard foryou euros),,,,
,,,rainbows,,,,EVERYWHERES!,,cleanwaterwavesunlight,, rainbows.,
,,,pass over SeaSlug outon thesand,,?slugscant do Sand!,,little guy mustbewilderd,
,,arch in tight circle,,super long finsin sight@.,
,,,,swoopup to SS,,just lift himback on rock,,hand talks back to brain'nope',,,?
,brain 'i know itslimmmy,buthe little guy needsour help,now grabit and lets get pasthislittle misshap?
,hand'notouching THAT!'
,brain 'listen HAND!!im the DECIDER around HERE>GRAB THE VAGINE SLUT,,uhh,,SLUG AND PUTIT on the FOAMY ROCK!!!'
,,,hand'you are illinformed on thesituationotouching THAT,,brain?ask theyes then get backtome'
,brain useseyes,,move close,inchsaway,,SS,frilly gills,purpley splochy,,,single wide suction foot,,2 big intelegenteyes,,,
,,,,wo,holdup,,eyes?,,?,on a SEASLUG???,they dont HAVEYES!!,
,alright seaslug,,whathell areyou?,

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SantaBarbera,,island,California.,
,,,vertical rock from 9 feetsdeep(3 yards)to 40feet up(justover 13 yards?),very scenic sand swoops down sloop into deepest blue,,,oooowaitheresaglow moving up the sloop,,a big WHITE glowy thing foggy approach?,
,BIG WHITE!THING!!, look for hidey hole~,NONE!
,,,noknife,,,just me against WHITEY!,ya im abouto DIE!,
,,,,,,,flows up from the DEEEEP,,comes into focus,,ELEPHANTHANK GOD!,
,,seaelephantakes alap,,headstraight for ME!,ooOONO! its payback time for when i rubbed thelephants ASS when hehauled up!,
,,elephant passuper close underme,,curled up fetal my fins brushed down back,,,BIGGGGGG with scars everywheres,,slid back down the sloop intothe DEEP,,didnt even take one breath.,impressed,,,thankfull norape.
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>>2732374
>doesn't know baconrider
how new are you? go back where you came from nigger
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I want to do this so bad! Anyone in SoCal wanna go?

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>>2731006
he's probably thinking Yr Wyddfa tallest mountain in snowdon
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>>2730891
I banged your mom, so it looks like we both conquered some great land masses
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Rainier
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>Driving
Mount Blue Sky, Colorado, 14,271 feet
Pikes Peak, Colorado, 14,115 feet

>Hiking
Delano Peak, Utah, 12,169 feet
Huffers Hill, Colorado 12,000 feet

Nothing like being able to drive up 14ers and walk up easy 12ers. A real mountain experience without a real mountaineering effort!
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>>2714552
some seriously retarded reasoning. no wonder he went full tard

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Favorite cold hardy perennials? I'm partial to the turkish rocket
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>>2732860
I just took the whole dang plant. Does biannual mean it'll return to a veg state and not flower or once it flowers, it's gone?
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i feel a fool, i just transplanted a bunch of plants that will die since they've flowered. drat
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>>2733046
Let them drop seed and they might come back. That's how I got my wild cabbage and my henbit
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thyme, sage, air onion(?), other onions, tulips, mint
goosberry, currants, raspberries, rhubarb(!)
ramson if possible
i like all of these
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>>2733041
it's over

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Why does the North East have so much SOVL bros? Vermont and New Hampshire are the best states I've ever been to in this country.
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Vermonster here. If any of you want to meet up in Southern Vermont to get a beer and do a trail, let me know and I'll drop my Telegram here.
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>>2732571
>Vermont
bloody Yangeese
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>>2713853
God damn.
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>>2713853
Wop wop wop wop wop Dot fuck em up!
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>>2713857
What policies do I need to implement to make my home state of California like the Northeast?

The de facto state of Jefferson seems to be like the NE USA.

My mom never let me go to Scout/summer camp because she was afraid that I might get raped.

What did I miss out on?
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>>2731896
That's fucked.
And I guess so was she!
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>>2728651
How does this help to learn how to tie knots and be self sufficient?
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>>2713073
I'm glad this was the first response. Well played anon
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>>2713072
Nothing the military didn't teach 10x faster while (barely) paying you.
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>>2713113
Guarantee you wouldn’t qualify for the merit badge because you’re less knowledgeable than a literal child.

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Memes, aesthetics, art, ect
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>>2731673
according to my records I made it whey back in 2013, /out/'s salad years for sure
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oh I found this cheeky little one I made back when i was dealing with trespassers
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>>2731501
That's not really a good way to get rid off butts. Just collect them, if you really care
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>>2732008
it's satire anon. it was intended to enrage.
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>>2731524
redditcore

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> buying land and ruining it with invasive crops, invasive livestock, pesticides, and killing native wildlife because they are "pests" to your invasive crops and livestock.
Literally trust-fund kids LARPing for a couple of years before they flip the property for profit to another retard who doesn't understand that they're buying ruined land. When will this trend end?
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my corn is reaching critical levels of dark green that defy all bounds of reality
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>>2732955
Forests are shit ecosystems if you don't manage them. Since cutting down a bunch of trees and letting sunlight into my backyard I have never had more rabbits and birds and snakes everywhere.
>you don't even know where I'm at first of all
You're on the east coast where both those species are invasive together
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On the other hand, a lot of the times these properties have been overgrazed by cattle ranchers for decades, and buying them gives them a bit of respite.
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>>2732958
time for you to learn about snake and rabbit habitats, just because you like "well-manicured" suburban lawns doesn't mean it's better. stay in your backyard domesticated man.
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>>2732715
Don't forget making a youtube video about it, which actually brings in the majority of the revenue of the whole venture

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Bit of a stupid question. Are crampons sold as a set or individually?
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>>2725949
is there no /out/ archive? I wanted to look up discussions of mountains and hiking in my state (NC)
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>>2732210
You aren't missing much. Any discussion of east coast mountains inevitably dissolves into mindless shit-flinging because of anons with differing definitions of "mountain".
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>>2725949
Saw moms box in the bathroom once, think they come in packs of 8, 10 or 12
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>>2732230
Weird, I also saw your mom's box.
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>>2731515
For lower UPF stuff like 30, you can get some pretty light nylons that wick well. At maximum UPF like +50 nylons are typically dark colors, polyesters can still be white but don't breathe as well, still wicking though. Personally when it's 90F with humidity it's not bad because the alternative is sun burn. I say grab a thinner one on sale like a OR echo or similar. If nothing else it works really well for travel. Packs tiny and layers easily.


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