Are demons truly irredeemable?
you got BTFO on the other thread and had to make a new one huh?
>>273386880Recognize the patterns. Always
So-so Frieren fans are irredeemable
>>273386880They are a stand in for Nazis.So, yes.
No, and I'm sick of this anti-demon propaganda.
They literally were learning how to be human and elf bitch screamed "YOU CANT DO THAT" and killed them
>>273388227Yeah, because he outright proved that he learned shit.The entire war was because the Demon Lord wanted to learn about humans and just can't figure it out.No true demon-human utopia, huh
>>273388699Just use magic on their brains so they can, idiots.
>>273388736They already tried
>>273388767When? Try harder.
>>273388780Did you read the manga?To begin with, using le magic completely defeats the entire point of coexistanceDemons cannot understand how human works for the same reason that the Supreme leaders of a commie land cannot understand how the real world works.Thus, instead of breaking the wall that divides them, they resort to making crazier and crazier laws without addressing the fundamental issue of it all
>>273387383Oh how i detest them
I felt like the manga was kind of heading in the direction that demons aren't all bad, but it backfires, and the demons just end up always being straight up evil niggas
>>273388927>Did you read the manga?Yeah, but I don't remember using magic to adjust their brains.
>>273386880Demons are basically psychopaths, they lack basically the same attributes, and just like psychopaths they learn to mimic human behaviour, and become expert manipulators. Unlike real psychopaths though, demons subvert humans with the aim of killing them instead of just for selfish gains. I mean some psychopaths DO manipulate others to butcher them, but it's not predispositioned in them. Contrary to popular beliefs, most don't have an unquenchable thirst for human blood, they just want to get into government position and decide on disastrous policies that will bring the death of millions of people... when putting it like that, maybe demons and psychopaths have something in common after all. Still, your local homeless dude down the road (who's actually a psychopath, that's right) aren't the one passing laws that will take your rights away. He probably can't even name 10 congress bills due to the fact that most aren't that well off due to their poor ability to fit into society. You only notice the one that weazsled into power positions when they inevitably draft your ass to Israel. But the same hobo wouldn't call you an ambulance when your heart fails you either, since there's no gain in sacrificing a few nickel for a phone call to the hospital. Instead he would probably rob you and run off with your ID card, maybe that's how they become CEOs. Psychopaths are everywhere around us. The ones in poor neighborHood become thugs and criminals, while the ones in cleaner street becomes world leaders and start WW3. Frieren understands this. Dealing with an actual psychopath as your boss is tiresome enough, let alone dealing with a whole cabal of them actively plotting humanity's demise using useful idiots who defend them. No I'm not comparing them to another separate group. It's just that Ashkenazi Jews have a higher percentage of sociopathy within their own community due to evolutionary pressure, like demons from Frieren
>>273389020They aren't malicious. That's why you get that impression.They cause only enough havoc to fulfill their goal and then leave.
>>273386880>Are demons truly irredeemable?yes.
>>273389038Is there magic for that, to begin with?Since humans and demons usually don't use the same types of magick precisely due to how different their brains are and work. If they could make a brain more similar to another, I imagine they would do so to cast better magics.
Demon's deserve a real chance without elf Hitler literally killing their potential for change
>>273388004You meant Jews?
yes, I'm getting really damn tired of humanity being applied to monsters.
>>273389096its a standin for Israel really.
>>273386880yesfundamentallySIMILAR TO (user was banned for "racism")
>>273389334>"Real demon-human coexistence has never been tried"
>>273386880Yes.>Demons=WhitoidsSoon to be purged.
>>273389544Racism? On my blueboard?
>>273389096This. Demons, according to Christian belief, are malevolent completely. They will do whatever they can to cause torment and despair in humans, especially if it fractures the human's faith in God. Media, especially in Japan, has made it seem like demons are these mostly misunderstood characters who are comically bad at being evil, while their actual counterparts relish in causing torture and pain. In reality, demons aren't anything you want to mess with, despite what tv shows and movies tell you. Succubi aren't just attractive women who sleep with you and leave you be, they actively try to ruin your life through your lust. ie: shapeshifting into your wife, sleeping with you, then shapeshifting into someone's husband and sleeping with them, resulting in it looking to everyone else like you slept with the other person's wife and there's nothing you can do to correct it. Demons prey on humans, and are fearsome creatures. Trust and faith in God and Christ protects us from them, and it's refreshing when media portrays them as they actually are and not as quirky troublemakers. In shows they depict demons as having hitches in their evil, and some wanting to change their ways. This doesn't happen in actual demons because they are completely evil. There is no saving a real demon because they have, and will never have, any intention or thought of changing and being good. They love being evil.
>>273386880Did you realize that the demons are predatory being totally different that humans and the only reason they look like humans Is for camouflage which works as by this threaf but if they looked like say pigs you would not bat an eye to them being killed but has they look human your mind inmediatelly goes for sympathy
>>273389756>in realityanon?
>>273389756>Media, especially in Japan, has made it seem like demons are these mostly misunderstood characters who are comically bad at being evil,Actually, noIt's actually just the inevitable slippery slope in Christian theology. In pagan theology, if bad things happen to you, that's the result of your own karma.Christianity on the other hand, upholds the belief that all are equal under God's eyes and that everyone has an equally valuable mission to fulfill.The poor were fed, the ostracized are welcomed, the sick were taken care of, and the dying are comforted.Christianity has a penchant for the idea that it is always the ones who are oppressed that ends up being good people.It is only natural that this will inevivtably lead to a slippery slope and start giving sympathy for the devil. Which is where you must draw the line. Mercy is reserved exclusively for humans beause we are finite beings with moments of weaknesses and are capable of regrets. Demons cannot be granted mercy because they are beings of the eternal. They made their decision to reject God in the past, present, and future. They cannot be redeemedGod is aware that some people just cannot be saved. Hence why he said"And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but the one who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven"If you were made aware about the full truth of the world, but decided to reject it and uphold lies, then you can no longer be saved
>>273389986I am Christian, therefore I believe in angels, therefore I believe in fallen angels, therefore I believe in demons. The devil's greatest trick is convincing people he doesn't exist
>>273386880We literally only had one demon arc and it fucking broke the video essays, how are they gonna survive when El Dorado gets adapted?
>>273386880Demons are just monsters that can talk. Like those monsters that showed them illusions of dead loved ones as a trap.
>>273390040>If you were made aware of the full truth of the world and rejected it, you can no longer be saved That's the point I was trying to make. Demons can't be saved, I was just also trying to point out that media likes misrepresenting what demons actually are is all. I agree with you.
>>273386880You only think they're redeemable because you want to fuck Aura and there is literally no other reason or argument.
>>273389756>>273390040There are lots of different depictions of demons in various religions and fiction. Christianity does not have exclusive claim to the term. It's more of a catch all for monsters and malevolent spirits. We should probably use different words to avoid confusion.
>>273390059I don’t think even christians believe in actual succubi walking amongst humans on earth.
>>273389096ThermoTruthular bomb
humans should probably arrest the demon king for crimes against humanity and execute him via lethal gas
There may in fact be a 'redemption arc' for a demons clearing the way to actual peaceful coexistence. It seems possible with some of the information we've been provided. I'd prefer not and to just keep them as mindlessly evil since its more old school fantasy.But if they do end up redeeming some demons that still will not make the decisions by Frieren and friends to kill them wrong after the fact. Every demon they killed deserved it without question.
>>273386880yes
>>273390139His points are basically:>The show potraits the demons are just blank monsters without higher thoughts that exists just to fuck over humanity>But demons show emotions and curiousity throughout the show which proves they are more sapient than one would thought actually>And sapient things can't be irredemably evil because???>They have a choice to abide by human's moral standard or something, despite not a single instance of one succeeded in doing so>But they can't, and they don't want to since they're biologically predepostioned to kill humans and can't understand empathy and this is problematic>Because determinism is icky since eugenics or something which proves that the demons aren't sapience after all and the show has contraditions. (The two aren't mutually exclusive???)>In-universe explanation doesn't matter because the thematic reason justify a morally evil "race" which is troubling when compared to the real world (Basically comparing orcs to blacks)>Writer wrote themselves to the corner and the demons representation are unsastifactory>The orcs in Lord of The Rings are better executed because their explanation suggest some amount of moral ambiguity while demons don't>Story tries to be subversive by having the adventure already over but the plot redo the same thing again regardless>Overpowered character and similar comparsions to other battle shounensSaved you an hour and a half
>>273391045You shouldn't have done that to yourself
>>273391238I put it on 2x speed it's fine.
>>273386880No, some demons are okay and are fun to be around
>>273390564Nah, succubi and incubi are real, accord to exorcistsIn one case, he claim that a woman got possessed because one night, she felt something nice in her crotch. She never drove it away which was enough consent for her to get possessed for months. Shit went bad because whenever someone gets possessed, you feel the pain, rage, madness, and utter hopelessness that the demon feels. It's an emotion that is not meant to be experienced by any human.He claims that the incubi and succubi are the nastiest of all the demons. He never explained further
>>273391298>hmm wonder who is behind this postDidn't realize they had internet connection in Hell
>>273391370Its because Incubi and Succubi prey upon the natural human urge of lust, which is normally the absolute hardest vice to break from. If you compare sexual deviancy to addiction symptoms, it's strikingly common as a vice. (not saying sex in itself is a vice, but people can very, very easily get addicted to it and let it control their lives) And it's not ever looked at as a bad thing, just a little immoral but not uncommon. And when you have demons that prey specifically upon a vice this widespread and accepted within society, they're bound to be nasty.
The only logical ending to Frieren is that a demon kills her in revenge
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The only way to coexist is if a demon child pops out of the nazi elfs cunt
>>273386880Itt you read deamons as trannys to figure the OP out
Why should demons be redeemed?
Retard redditor youtuber caused this shit.Demons are human mimics, that's it. Like the giant cockroaches in the horror movie mimic, except they also use words, or rather human like sounds since they barely understand what they are saying, instead just mimicing the correct sounds based on circumstance which humans interpret as speech.They are monsters in the most genuine sense. They evolved their human apperance and speech mimicry though coevolution as they evolved from some gremlin who would mimic sounds to lure their prey in. Humans, being social alturistic retards by nature, ascribe human thought to them due to the quality of their mimicry, but demons do not have human like thought patterns at all, which is why it is impossible to actually communicate with them, the evolutionary distance between humans/elves and demons is just that big.Again, demons mimic speech, they do not actually communicate as they do not understand the meaning behind most of the sounds they make. Demons use human sounds around eachother to from some sort of communication, but it is much more baseline as most humans words is not possible to translate between human and demon. True demon communication seems to be through mana, using human sounds between demons is probably closer to dogs making vocalizations to eachother, much less important than the primary methods of communication. TL;DR people are retarded, which is why demons are so effective. The jewtuber reddit takes just proves that if such demons existed in real life, they would be just as successful at duping retards here as in the story.
>>273386880No, you just need to give them education, you even see it in the same show.
>>273389269Not that we know of, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist and/or can’t be created.
>>273390139>people really spend hours making an "anime"video"essay"""
>>273395929You spend even longer shitposting on a Swiss yodeling forum
frieren heard some ayy lmaos talking about how they're going after some demon
>>273391598See that's where you're already wrong, there's no concept of vengeance among demonkind as they do not give a rat's ass about anyone else
>>273389986>in realitythere's a whole demon occupation happening right now
>>273394398/thread
>>273395929it's a demon seething that he has been called outwatch as he recoils
What I don't know is if demons NEED to eat humans to survive.
>>273386880Demons aren't good or evil in Frieren. They are just evolved predators. Some of them wanted to live peacefully with humans only to fail miserably because they couldn't fully understand the human mind
>>273394398>Again, demons mimic speech, they do not actually communicate as they do not understand the meaning behind most of the sounds they make.We see the three demons in the first half of the anime talking to each other, and we see one of them go to brag to Frieren about how awesome his magic is which isn't going to help him kill her, so they must have SOME communication, but I'm willing to believe that most of it is just instinctual mimicry.
It is interesting that we never have these kinds of threads about the goblins in goblin slayer.Personally, I think that some degree of human-demon coexistence is possible, the problem is if it is worth it.>>273399326Once, while studying economics, I had a marxist class. There was a test, and one of the problems required me to write an essay in a way that didn't really make sense.But I studied enough books and familiarized myself enough with their terms that I was able to write something that, quite honestly, didn't make any sense to me, despite superficially appearing that I was trying to communicate something. I got full score on that item, if I remember correctly.I imagine that it is similar to demons mimicking human speech, some things they understand, but other concepts really don't make sense to them, but they know when to use words related to them in appropriate manner for their purposes. In this last aspect I think one could imagine a parallel with AI LLM where they try to "predict" the next adequate word based on statistics and the previous ones, even if they don't properly "understand" it.
>we never have these kinds of threads about the goblins in goblin slayer.lol. lmao.
Demons are basically Joker mixed with a Terminator. Kill, Learn, and continue to kill because that is what they are programmed to do. And with no redeemable qualities or remorse and like cause just because it's fun, to them.
ISNT this entire scene proof enough that shit is IMPOSSIBLE. Machi arc just over stretched the hell out it.
>>273388039Probably the only time I've seen Kurumu posted on /a/
>>273399662People overthink demons. They're not mimics, they just descended from mimics. (Frieren literally says that they descended from monsters that hunted humans by mimicking them.) From there it can be inferred they essentially stumbled into sentience via natural evolution. Better mimics hunt better and live longer, apply natural selection and you reach a point where the best "Mimics" are no longer mimics but just actual sentient creatures like humans. Solitar actually points out this example of convergent evolution with her sharks-orcas comparison. The problem is that since they grew sentience through a predator-prey relationship instead of a social one, they lack some crucial emotions we have, like feeling guilt. Guilt is essential for us to limit ourselves from killing our closest kin, but a detriment to a predator that can't afford to feel bad for its prey. This is why coexistence is impossible, because they literally lack the prerequisite for a stable society, which is being able to agree to not kill your fellow neighbor on a whim.
>>273390139People who believe in object morality are a danger to reality.
>>273386880Demons are breedable
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>>273400384Then the key is to enable them to feel guilt...
>>273386880They're basically viruses mimicking humanoid beings.
>>273391045>>The orcs in Lord of the Rings have moral ambiguityThe fuck is this guy on? LOTR orcs are evil
>>273391370>Nah, succubi and incubi are real, accord to exorcists>the guy who makes a living getting rid of totally real demons tells you that demons are totally real>and you believe himdamn it's easy to scam you niggas
>>273401003>>273394398That demons are mimicking humans is not an argument about them being irredeemable. In a sense we, "flesh and bones", are also mimicking idea of "moral being". And there is shitton ideas about what "moral being" means, which prove the point that it is nothing inherent to our bodies. And if it were, then we wouldn't be moral agents as we wouldn't have a choice whether we do wrong or not. Thus being moral implies morally-neutral beginning, and in that regard demons are more perfect than humans. Humans indeed have pro-social brains thus it is easier for them to comply to societal rules that sometimes happen to be moral. Demons however don't have that and thus have to infer the morality purely from reason by themselves. Kant did that already: You can be moral if you are being with reason and follow some deontologies. Tldr: Demons just have to read Kunt.
>>273401123Exorcism is 100% free, actually.In fact, it actually costs the Church because1. It requires approval from at least 3-5 psychiatrists who would confirm that the case is beyond their understanding2. Those same psychiatrists MUST be present at the Church during the exorcism3. It would also require at least 3-5 more exorcists to be presentAnd the exorcism often require multiple sessions that can last for months, if not decadesAll 100% free.Exorcists are not allowed to charge a single coin lest they would lose their authority to exorcise demonsThe only reason the Church do not mind this very expensive service is because it is a very rare event and denying a patient can easily land them in hell.If you want to face demons, be sure that you are wearing God's armor. Vows are a matter of eternal life and eternal death
>>273386880Demons are people too.
>>273401711No, they're wolves wearing human skin to foll retards like you so they can eat you
>>273389986Demons are real, they inject negative intrusive thoughts into your mind with the intention of creating a negative feddback loop to feed on.
>>273389986schizos believe the dumbest shit, anon
>>273401906Look at what befell the west and tell me how this madness is natural
>>273401965Yeah, yeah, apocalypse any day now like your dumb doomsday cult has been preaching for millenia by now
>>273401980We're not the ones celebrating baby murder, you know
>>273402004Yeah, you're more of shota rape types
>>273402042That happens to every institution of power. All of them.Not one has none
>>273402061Most insitutions don't tolerate it while claiming to be the ultimate moral authority
>>273402066We don't either. Vatican already spent a billion settling all cases. It was Pope John Paul's last act and Pope Benedict's first actYou go try it with Da Lai Lama who made a boy suck his tongue in an official gathering
>>273402089Vatican spent literal decades pretending nothing was happening until they were forced to admit the constant child rape, and even then had the gall to act like they were the victim of an unjust smear campaign
>>273402100Yeah, they did, and took full responsibility for it.
>>273402134They evaded responsibility as long as possible until public pressure left them no choice but to take responsbilityThat's not the action of the self-declared ultimate moral authority on earth.
>>273402174sir this isnt r/teens or r/atheism
>>273402174You can throw every scandal you can throw and it won't change the fact that that is what happens to every institution of power. Being a moral authority doesn't change anythingSo long as there is power and money, there will be corruption of every kind.Every saint got attacked by demons. Why would the church be exempted.Only goal here is to face justice and ensure it never happens again
People don't like demons in Frieren because it's completely unrealistic.Empathy is an evolutionary prerequisite for intelligence. And even if they somehow skipped that part, a society of psychopaths can't function no matter how you try to explain it.So yeah, it's pretty retarded.
>>273402244>Being a moral authority doesn't change anythingBeing a moral authority changes everything. They should help their victims, not demonize them just to save face.You can't tell me that you're the arbiter of what is good and what is bad while tolerating child rapists in your ranks and abusing their victims just because you wanna save face and money.
>>273402244Don't bother arguing with people that undermined the greatest civilization in history.
>>273402277Should could would, whateverGoal here is to repent and rebuild people's trust.PS. The Church is only the moral authority until Christ returns. Jesus owns it and it is the Church's duty to keep it protected until his return
>>273402301How can i prove that i'm his reincarnation?
>>273402301So you admit that it's okay for me to disregard the vatican and it's role as the moral authority and that they're a bunch of child rapists.Good.
>>273402261Yes and that's exatly what happenedDemons don't reproduce. They just appear due to miasma, just like every other monster. They aren't animals as they do not leave any corpse behindThey do not build any society. The demon lord just keeps them under his thumb through brute forceThey are creations of the evil god specially designed to eliminate humans, basically
>>273402319Not until Christ returns
>>273402337Yeah sure buddy, doomsday any day now. Just two thousand more years.
>>273402301Well they failed a long time ago, and honestly I'm less than impressed with this creation, the way evil is allowed to flourish, and the rest God treats/allows his children to be treated. I doubt free will even exists, existence is just hot and cold torture-porn.But it is fairly obvious that it was created, to anyone paying attention.
>>273402351Church tells you not to care about any doomsday other than your own.Jesus will come when everything is prepared according to God's will
>>273402217>Why do you use the word "reddit"?>It deflects you from all criticism. A wonderful, magical word...
>>273402383Wonder if he'll tolerate childfucking. And if you will do it when tells you to.
>>273402389He said that people who corrupts children better be drowned with a millstone on their neckWritten 3x which implies great significance
>>273402408Well, is raping children really corrupting them?
>>273402423What do you think, retard?
>>273402320So why does the show pretend it's in any way ambitious then?It spends so much time convincing everyone of what doesn't need to be adressed.Traditional fantasy assumes that demons are evil and that's that. Like Dragon Quest or whatever. It didn't need extra hours to hammer the idea home.How is that in any way interesting or even warranted?
>>273402388I didnt say reddit, I said 2 subreddits that are pathetic and engage in discussions like that where no adult will interfere.
>>273395929>spend hoursAnon, the video itself is an hour long. He probsbly spent days or weeks writing the script, recording it, selecting clips, editing the video.
>>273402436I don't know. What does Jesus think? He does the thinking around here, I'm just a meat puppet for his divine will.
>>273402457Try being a bit more disingenuous first, and maybe I'll tell you
>>273399888The goblins weren't hot.
>>273390040>>273390040>Christianity on the other hand, upholds the belief that all are equal under God's eyes and that everyone has an equally valuable mission to fulfill.that's wrong though. this is about god's law, no matter who or what you are, god has no double standards and will slam you with the hammer of justice regardless of your position. women don't get easier sentences from god. jews can't buy their way out of god's judgement or transfer their sins onto a chicken. religious people don't get preferential treatment just because they believe, if they don't apply their beliefs into their actions. everyone who is to be judged will be judged according to one standard.anything else is new age bullshit for the feelgood crowd.
>>273402500Yes, that's what equality is.
>>273402500>god has no double standardsit is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.
Demons are the black people of Frieren.So no, they are not redeemable
>>273402438Why did you only redirect one poster there? They were both engaging in the pathetic discussion. Seems biased, as if you were deflecting..
>>273402526bad translation, "eye of a needle" was a name of a gate. this wasn't about rich people not being able to enter kingdom of god at all, it was a metaphor about the "baggage" (wealth-based sins, greed, degeneracy) the "camels" (people) carry making them too large to fit through the gate, so they need to leave that crap behind if they want to enter.
>>273402558James 5:1-3Come now, you who are rich, weep and wail over the misery to come upon you. / Your riches have rotted and moths have eaten your clothes. / Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and consume your flesh like fire. You have hoarded treasure in the last days.Proverbs 28:20A faithful man will abound with blessings, but one eager to be rich will not go unpunished.Matthew 6:24No one can serve two masters: Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.
>>273389365it's done deliberately. they're preparing us for the arrival of monsters (they will call them aliens), to make us accept them in once again and cause another nephilim disaster.
>>273402379Aye lad.Don't ask why the Church is evilAsk how it still manages to stand despite all demonic attacksNapoleon himself infamously threatened the Vatican that he is going to destroy itAnd the bishop just laughed and told him "We've been trying to destroy this place for centuries"The Church managing to survive after all these years nothing short of a divine miracle
>Frieren thread>devolves into religious arguments and schizo postingWe need S2 bad
>>273402617all of which goes towards sins of the wealth like greed, idolatry or degeneracy, not the possession of the wealth itself. though the super-rich are all sinners anyway, because the way they got so rich was due to allowing themselves to get consumed by said sins.
>>273402672>not the possession of the wealth itselfNot what the bible says tho
>>273402709What a convinient excuse to interpret the direct words of the lord in any way you fucking want.
>>273402687No, it really does say it by the fact that plenty of Jesus followers are rich people but he never told anyone to be poor.Even during Acts, Paul wrote about how they were breaking their bones in hard labor just to acquire enough money for their evangelization.The “Go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” was specifically said to that specific rich man because he saw his bluffThe rich man was willing to do any of the Jewish Laws, make any specific sacrifice, and go to any pilgrimage just to appease God.Then Jesus called him out on the one thing that he cannot let go
>>273391388funny thing about hell, the current idea of hell being a place where demons rule comes from outside sources like dante's inferno and the talmud. in the bible the hell is only described as hades, where souls go to sleep to await judgement, and then there's the lake of fire where everything corrupt is thrown to be destroyed (this includes death and hell itself) except for immortal things like demons which will suffer forever.
"They're evil because they just are, okay?" is not sufficient in 2024. Going through nonstop mental gymnastics like muh sociopathy or muh empathy isn't sufficient either. It's simply human/elf/"our race" supremacism to justify demon genocide because the story apparently can't function any other way.Plenty of more thoughtful stories recognize that the idea of a race of completely irredeemable evil human-killers is absurd at worst and juvenile at best. Why don't Frieren watchers recognize that? Even entry-level shonen designed for 8-year-olds (DBZ, Naruto, etc.) go in with full recognition that the villains are operating for their own self-interest and worldview, even if it's utterly in contrast to human interests. Villains are at times redeemed. The complexity of relationships with others is acknowledged. Enemies become friends, or at least authors try to make them understood.Not in Frieren. Demons are a convenient monster of the week in Frieren, nothing more. A Sailor Moon episode with a different color palette. Throw in a school arc, have a tournament, rake in the big bucks. Why care about the nature of good and evil when Frieren using her super cool demon killing ultra powers honed over 1,000 years will keep the audience buying the manga?
>>273402751Is this a bait pasta?
>>273402745So, in your mind, what does that story has to teach other rich people?That they are somehow exempt? That they shouldn't be willing to let go of their ritches?Any wordly posession is secondary to the kingdom of god. Not even secondary, it doesn't matter at all.John 2:15-17Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. / For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not from the Father but from the world. / The world is passing away, along with its desires; but whoever does the will of God remains forever.
>>273386880They're natural predators of humans. It's like trying to make a lion vegetarian.
>>273391667>they're demons!>they're just humans with mutations.>the human empire is corrupted and controlled by a legion-like hivemind.
>all this crying because the demons are actually evil lying monsters instead of misunderstood humans with hornsIf anything Frieren having actual evil demons feels like a breath of fresh air in this sea of muh morally grey horseshit
>>273402778Geez, living a comfortable and bountiful life does not mean you are worshipping money. So long as you acquired that money through just means, and are abandoning God, you can do whatever you want. You earned it, you can use it.Christianity is not a contest on who gets to suffer more, you knowHeaven itself is not a bunch of lifeless commie blocks. It is a place filled with every precious metal and fine gemstone
>>273402811>are abandoning God*you aren't
>>273402811You should argue with the bible. You're giving me a loose and practically new age interpretation of Christianity.If you indulge in your excess, while others are suffering, it's a sin, plain and simple.
Angels arent better either
>>273402877What do you mean?>Some of the people there became angry. They said to one another, “Why waste this perfume? 5 It could have been sold for more than a year’s pay. The money could have been given to poor people.” So they found fault with the woman.>6 “Leave her alone,” Jesus said. “Why are you bothering her? She has done a beautiful thing to me. 7 You will always have poor people with you. You can help them any time you want to. But you will not always have me. 8 She did what she could. She poured perfume on my body to prepare me to be buried. 9 What I’m about to tell you is true. What she has done will be told anywhere the good news is preached all over the world. It will be told in memory of her.”Literally:Let people enjoy things.
>>273402938She didn't "enjoy" the perfume, she used her money for Jesus's sake.
>>273402953Which she enjoyedThat verse is for people who use their gifts for their own forms of worship of God.If they want to use their wealth to help the Church, let themIf they want to use their wealth to travel and see God's creations, let themIf they want to purchase wonderful toys for their children, let themWorship of God is not a pain olympicsLet people have fun for they will need it for the trials ahead
>>273402938>I don't care if a some poor bums starve and suffer as long as my corpse smells prettyThis jesus dude sounds like a self-absorbed dick desu
>>273402877a thing is a sin if it breaks one or more of the 10 commandments. people who pursue money for the sake of control and power have turned their heads away from god towards their new idols, money(mammon) or control(satan), thus they break the 1st and 2nd commandment (and will even break 6th and 9th to maintain their control), those that pursue it out of greedy desires will eventually break the 8th and 10th commandments, while those who use it out of desire for pleasure will eventually break 7th commandment.
>>273402993She wanted to glorify Jesus. He never asked for it.Argument against her actions is what apply to Protestants who kept on attacking the Church for investing so much on wonderful buildings instead of more orphanagesGlorifying God benefits the masses too. To start with, Churches are public infrastructures and the poor are allowed to enter it at anytime. And those same poor were probably reliant on the employment that the construction provided
In Frieren, it's a bit complicated from what I see. Demons seems to be creatures that uses cold logic but is unable to determine what is right or wrong. This even applies to those that wants to understand humans.
>>273403041don't forget the food, in the past there was no such thing as government sponsored programs to feed people, the church would provide them with food.whether it was good or not was probably a case by case situation. feeding someone down on their luck and helping them back up is good. feeding someone who will use your help for their own pleasure, such as all the feeding of africa and making it fully reliant on you feeding it is not good, as it removes their self reliance and sets them up for a massive famine and death in the future when there's no more food to send, and the guilt of committing this mass death will rest on the shoulders of those who fund these feeding programs.
>>273399326>we see one of them go to brag to Frieren about how awesome his magic is which isn't going to help him kill her, so they must have SOME communicationI'll add to that with my own experience. Horses fucking love racing. And they also understand the concept of losing the race and winning (you will often see the winner walking around proudly, as if he is the king now, slower horses will look kinda sad), so the ability to boast about your abilities isn't unique to humans.
Sorry to divert the topic, why the fuck is there an 18 yo with erect nipples advertising onlyfans in the ads?
>>273402261>Empathy is an evolutionary prerequisite for intelligence.[citation needed]>And even if they somehow skipped that part, a society of psychopaths can't function no matter how you try to explain it.Well, they clearly don't have some sort of mega complicated societal structure.
>>273402261it's the other way around, if anything. intelligence is an evolutionary prerequisite for empathy. there's plenty of animal species that are fairly intelligent (dolphins, chimps, elephants, crows etc), but they all lack empathy. in fact, plenty of humans lack it as well.
>>273386880They are humans, and humanoids, natural predators. They cannot even elaborate the idea of "let's go eat something else" maybe they even can't.So... yeah.
>>273403117because you aren't using an ad blocker?
>>273403117Because this is a free market economy
I don't quite understand why it matters. Okay, what if they are capable of being good? And? Are humans some sort of God's smartest teachers, sent on Earth to tame all around us into being good? They are eating us lmao, demons are not blacks or chinese, at least other humans don't try to eat each other.
>>273401488Demons are not simply "anti social" or "psychotic" or "sociopathic" They are litterally not human, they are more like an AI language model than a person. They do not understand human speech, they are just singing a song that humans understand as speech. They do not consider it language, even if they can understand some parts of the song, most of it is just a sort of duck call they sing to better lure their pray. Remember, demons are highly evolved forms of monsters who cried help. Those monsters who cried help did not know what help meant, they just mimiced the sound their prey made which also made more prey show up. Humans literally cannot understand demons, or demons humans, the manga went through great length and effort to explain this.
>>273400384What is this cope? Demons are highly evolved mimics, therefore they are not mimics?No, retard, thats why they are mimics. Humans evolved from apes, that does not mean we are not apes. A demon talking to a person is no different than a hunter blowing a duck whistle. They are litterally just singing a song that humans intepret as speech, demons don't know what most of the song is even supposed to mean.
>>273386880Trash animeTrash mangaTRASH SERIES
>>273403465>at least other humans don't try to eat each other.May I introduce you to the wonderful world of cannibalism?
>>273402678If the anime's religious themes was to be written in a book, it would have been considered blasphemous to Christian standards.I don't understand why they use "because muh bible said so" as an actual argument lol.The whole sympathy/psychopathy argument is just human self projecting it's emotions into others.It's like seeing a dog tearing up think it's sad when it's just cleaning its eyes.Demons have emotions, they fear for their lives thus have an instinct for life preservation, they have an hierarchical "society" specifically for this reason.But there is absolutely no reason to have sympathy for your natural predator even if they have emotions/intelligence or self preservation, they aren't evil because they are just animals.When a Demon threatens or give a generic villain monologue it's just to put it's prey into a hopeless or frightened state which is much easier to kill.When they show emotions and vulnerability, it's to get its prey to lower its guard which is easier to kill it in that stateDemons would never show vulnerability to each other but while do so to humans which is a predatory trait that works hence why they do it.The only way to live peacefully with demons is to use brute force to show them their place as pathetic pets that serve us for utility or entertainment.They have to fear you, the same way a stray dog fear a bored human teen with a wire cutter.And only then I could rightfully fuck loli demons the way God intended...
>people defending demonsHoly fucking onions, is this reddit?
>>273404099I'm honestly surpised by the lack of demon lewds in this thread
>>273389343Nope. Germans.Elves are a stand in for Jews.
>>273400496no, just a danger to you demon
>>273390059Incorrect, the devil's greatest trick was editing the scriptures.
>>273402665Has it been anounced to be in production or something yet?
>>273404099
>>273390059there's a difference between fallen angels and demons though, fallen angels are magnitudes more powerful than generic demons, but not as varied as them. both are also known to other cultures and religions, fallen angels are known as 'gods' in pagan societies like sumeria, canaan, india, ancient greece etc, and demons as ex. djinn, youkai, titans, giants, succubi/incubi, egregores aka tulpas, poltergeists and all that crap.
>>273394398>except they also use words, or rather human like sounds since they barely understand what they are sayingActually one detail I didn't like, they show demons using human language among themselves too.
Just genocide the demons who cares
>>273402500>women don't get easier sentences from godLMAO>woman spend her entire life committing adultery? uhh plz try not to do it anymore>man has a lustful thought? hellboundchristcucks are ruining this thread
>>273402993He's the archdemon of malice, cruelty, lies and narcissism.
>>273403117Ever heard of ublock newfriend?
>>273402991>Which she enjoyedShe enjoyed a selfless act, which is why Jesus told them to chill.Doesn't mean that buying video games when your neighbour is starving is the same thing, retard.
>>273400177The only reason I knew about this anime was reading the threads complaining about S2 back in 2009 or whatever. The dump of the manga in 2014 when it was ending was great too. Felt like the end of the era. Was always expecting a sequel to the manga that never came. And now we're in hell.
>>273403257>animal species that are fairly intelligent (dolphins, chimps, elephants, crows etc), but they all lack empathyThose animals you listed don't lack empathy to their own kind btw.
>>273388227>>273388699>demons basically act like contractors from DtB>will only make moves that justify their goals>normal people are like "why did you shoot me" when the demon did it because it furthers his goal of killing you>people are unable to get a purely logical enemy who only acts in his own best interests 100% of the time without ever considering the other side, even if it ends with him being killed by a stronger foe as this is the norm in demon land anyway
>>273386880Why do we allow these fake threads??? /a/ would never do these threads, they always come from outside
>>273403117Adblock. Brave Browser with built in adblock. Ublock. All of these would solve your problem.
>>273404393yes
>>273403137>[citation needed]There is no evolutionari need for higher-level intelligence unless communication is involved.Communication becomes an thing only when your species starts to live in packs.You can't form packs without some level of empathy to your own.
>>273403117Because no one has complained via 4chan's advertising email. There was a penis pill ad on blue boards for weeks until I sent a screenshot, never seen it since then.
Demons are basically predators. It's fine to hate them as their prey. But they do serve the purpose in the ecosystem of letting humans get too numerous.
>>273401488For my post, the detail about them being viruses was the most important part.
>>273402558That wasn't a gate, you're parroting a lie the rich tell to pretend that they're allowed to love money more than their fellow human beings.
>>273405065that's man, not god. thirsty men always treat women with kid gloves, but god doesn't care because he's not a thirsty simp.
>>273405759you're starting to sound like one of those pathological altruist satanists who try to give all of their hard work to others and shame others into doing the same to feel better about themselves, and end up ruining or even killing them with it, or a commie pretending to be a christian.
>>273388004No, actually, demons represent Russians, who often talk about such things as justice or family or rights to manipulate westerners, while having no idea what these terms mean
everyone is so used to manga/anime these days going>achshully demons/monsters/villainesses are good guys! that when something comes along and just plays demons are demons straight they just can't handle it
They've just yet to meet a human like me with overwhelming sexual aura that will make demons wet and want to be breeding sowAlso Linnie impregnating mating press
>>273406036
>>273405927>being this brainwashed
>>273386880Feels like Frieren would entertain the idea once a century or so, but be proven wrong every time. It's not even a waste of time. she's got plenty.
>>273386880Ask Doomguy, Pelinal Whitestrake, The Ghost Riders, Samus...But Mainly Terry Bogard, he sent sent to hell once.
>>273406036Don't demons form out of miasma or something? Why would they even have vagoos?And if they had them, surely they'd use them to manipulate humans.
>>273406467Yeah, but they will yield. As you know, its always about aura show-off to them, and I bet all the humans they've met either has killing intent or are being patronizing. Again, they've yet to met me who has overwhelming breeding intent the moment I see their sexo bodies, so functional or not, those pussies will be rendered wet, and then filled with cum
>>273402810>author stares at you through the page and tells you flat-out that demons are evil>”Hrm, are they though? That creates some problematic implications according to my media literacy. The author must be mistaken. Let’s examine this closer.”>demons are monsters that can talk, every single one has been shown to be violent, manipulative, or sociopathic by human standards>they themselves admit to this, their understanding of the word “mother” being a word you say to stop humans from killing you so you can kill them later>”Hmm. Inconclusive, which means I’m right. Demons aren’t evil.”
>>273400384While true after hearing that shit from her i would demand the chance to force her to observe actual sharks and orcas. These creatures which rely on violence and have very limited social ability absolutely love affection and can form friendships. Basically what my point is is soltair is over simplifying her race and if she actually lacks that quality it would be fairer to deny considering them sentient as even very simple creatures can pass this sort of test.
>>273403640Descent does not equal function. >Humans evolved from apes, that does not mean we are not apes.We are apes but we aren't apes in function (In the sense that we spend our lives using our thumbs to forage or climb trees). Demons are the same way in relation to their monster ancestors. Demons having actual conversations amongst each other using human language pretty much disproves everything you say about them not understanding their own words. They're still evil as fuck and have an alien understanding of our concepts but they're clearly a step up from being a simple mimicking monster.
>>273405851Are you intentionally making up terms? The context makes it very clear that the rich person's choice to keep all of his wealth and not using it to feasibly help others is practically barring himself from Heaven. It's not meant to be interpreted as a slightly slower route into Heaven.
>>273391045this is why I do not watch a single anime youtuber. They are fucking dumb
>>273410679you're way too focused on trying to steal their money and using religion as an excuse. theft of physical goods goes against the 10 commandments.
>>273389096Most based post ive seen in a hot minute
>>273386880Yes.TOTALABSOLUTEDEMONDEATH
Kill demons. Behead demons. Roundhouse kick a demon into the concrete. Slam dunk a demon baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy demons. Defecate in a demons food. Launch demons into the sun. Stir fry demons in a wok. Toss demons into active volcanoes. Urinate into a demons gas tank. Judo throw demons into a wood chipper. Twist demons heads off. Report demons to the IRS. Karate chop demons in half.
>>273401120Yes, but they got raped into being ontologically evil through no fault of their own. And they've served their role as evil minions, and Tolkien always regretted not writing them as being redeemable, so you can headcanon that after all the suckiness of evil leaving middle-earth with Sauron and Morgoth gone, they'll recover and be normal sometime after LotR.
>>273412399>Defecate in a demons foodBut aren't humans demon food?
>be demon>can learn complex magic>can't understand why the hairless ape gets mad after I butcher and eat his family So are demons just retarded? Most apex predators learn to stir clear of humans but these dipshits routinely keep trying their luck when they could be gunning for easier prey. Or are they just 40k orcs, programmed by a higher power for a singular task?Either way a proper dicking would fix em
>>273413963pride
>>273413963Sauce?All results are zero
>>273414735Pride doesn't serve a predator in any way.The author is a retard then.
>>273414853but it was established demons are prideful and confident. They got called beast, but they are not mere animals.
>>273414810exhentai.org/g/3109714/
>>273403113I didn't say it was only a human thing, but rather that the noises they were making weren't random, and aren't wholly done for the sake of hunting. The demon talking to Frieren about how he's so much stronger and he's going to kill her doesn't really make him any better at killing her, in fact it made him worse. It plays into their other big trait, pride in magic making them stupid, but it does mean their ability to communicate must exist to some extent and not be entirely random.I agree with the other anon that it's likely they evolved from mimics but have some intelligence even if they've evolved without some human emotions like empathy.
>>273388227...Because they weren't learning how to be human for good reasons... just to keep killing them and treating them like cattle. They only use language to hunt and to deceive. They aren't redeemable in frieren. They are beasts tripfag.
>demons have no concept of family or even parenthoodHow do they reproduce? Do they fuck, go on their separate ways and then the mom carries the child and then shits it out on the woods to fend for itself?Does she breastfeed it until it's a certain size then abandons it?
>>273414853Not every little thing that an animal has is always useful. Sometimes mutations just havent been selected against hard enough. That said, it does actually serve them a purpose, it's related to their hierarchy. Its like asking why the male lions dont all just get along.
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>>273417590https://exhentai.org/g/3109714/2c98ca2984/Does this work?
>>273416872some of that is explained in ep 7, but not that detailed.
>>273417038Pride is a human emotion.Yeah, so they just happened to evolve in an unproductive way. Got all the bad stuff for some reason but no empathy at all.The more you try to explain it the more retarded it sounds.
>>273403603> Remember, demons are highly evolved forms of monsters who cried help.Aren't humans the same? Animal communication also contains deception and false cries for help. Humans are animals that perfected the communication to the point it evolved brains of some savage monkeys. In that regard demons are the same. Both evolved into ultimate hunters but also became users of language. Language is a qualitative change which uplifts us "above nature" as it allows us to reason. And the reason, like math, is universal. I can mimic understanding of math by strictly following rules of logic teachers told me, I will pretend so well that my math operations will be undistinguishable from those who "understand" math. So in extreme: Isn't the perfect pretending the same as perfect understanding? I believe the morality follows the same logic.
>>273419205We are not monsters. We know how to form a society
I saw kill ehm all.
>>273386880Who's bringing in all of these demons anyway?
>>273408947Demons are not social creatures, they do not need language, but their vocalization is essentially human speech. Like songbirds, one chirp begets another. it's just that their song mimics speech, when demons sing to humans the song is a coherent sentence based on circumstance, same when demons sing to demons. That does not mean they understand the full meaning of the song they are singing. Some sounds they understand, but for the most part they are just singing songs in the form of speech, even to each other. That should not be confused for communication, demons communicate through mana in a manner alien to a human. A demons mind and manner of thinking is completely alien to humans, and most likely it is not possible to translate it into human language, much like demon magic is curses to humans. They are simply to alien in all aspects to understand, which is why humans struggle to mimic demon magics except through intense effort, and even then it's just a pale immitation.Demons are not sentient "evil" creatures, they are human mimics and communication is impossible, the el dorado arc should have made that clear, no matter if both parties try to communicate, understanding will forever be impossible.
>>273419277And for the same reason we also know how to destroy society.
>>273389756>Media, especially in Japan, has made it seem like demons are these mostly misunderstood characters who are comically bad at being evil, while their actual counterparts relish in causing torture and pain.That's because the Japanese Demons are segregated from Christianity. They got cut off from the war of good and evil and thus doesn't have a REASON to be evil.So Japan had to come up with other reasons. IZn Frieren, the reason is that Demons are predators of humans and despite their intelligence and no actual NEED to eat humans, they WANT to, and their ultimate goal is human as livestock.
>>273419205No, demons are highly intelligent versions of a monster that cries help. Their "help" has evolved to the point that their vocalizations naturally form sentences that humans want to hear and can understand depending on the situation. The issue is that you think they evolved speech as a tool to communicate, which it is not. It's just a highly advanced song to lure prey. Demons can sing to each other, and the song creates a conversation we understand, but demons do not understand most of what their song means, or if they do, it is just barely. It's hard to fathom, but the human mimic song is advanced to the point that they can initiate conversations appropriate to the situation. Demons communicate through their mana, they do not need language as they are not social creatures, they are solitary creatures by nature. There is a reason why frieren thinks it is a waste of time to talk with demons, as they do not really understand most of what is said, it's a one sided conversation.Think of demons speech as an AI language model that can initiate and respond to an oral conversation, but it is used by an alien who don't know human speech it in an effort to trick and eat you.
>>273389096>>273389756>>273421305didn't read your retarded blogdemons are "good" in manga because manga is an old dead industry that needs to subvert itself to remain fresh and novel but even the "what if the demon lord... WASN'T EVIL!?!?" has become ridiculously old and cliche nowjapanese are incapable of innovating anything except once every 20 years or sot. lifetime resident japanfag
>>273391045People like this intentionally refuse to engage with the idea of evil, often because they would then have to look at their own actions.If everything is subjective they can be the biggest shitheads in the world and not worry about it. But if evil exists then that's a problematic for their behaviour.
>>273422199>"what if the demon lord... WASN'T EVIL!?!?" has become ridiculously old and cliche nowWithout Christianity, Devils are just horned people with magic. You need to realise that Devils are cultural imports in Japan, muvh like how Death Gods and Vampires are Western imports for Manga and anime.Japan have their own pantheon of evil creatures, with their own reasons in being evil. Demon Kings however were imported from Western RPGs and thus was never given a good reason to be evil without lore.
People only care because the demons are attractive. If they looked like typical demons, this discussion wouldn’t exist
>>273422635As a fa/tg/uy'; expect to be having this conversation with these people long, long after the show is over>There's a dozen types of demons, why do you only ever want to redeem Succubi bro?
>>273422635>People only care because the demons are attractive. If they looked like typical demons, this discussion wouldn’t existAngels look WORSE than demons. The modern PR friendly angels are based on Greek deities, nothing to do with the texts. If the afterlife worked the way it does in the Bible literally, you would find that Heaven would be a frightful place to be.
>>273422895>Angels look WORSE than demons. The modern PR friendly angels are based on Greek deities, nothing to do with the texts.Nah, there were plenty of human-like Angels in the bible. It's just they either looked like monsters (the later in visions/descriptions of heaven) or outright just looked like pretty humans.It's specifically the two angel wings on human-like angels that are Greek inspired.
>>273411612No one wants to steal any money, we're talking about what Jesus literally said. Those who love money often do so at the expense of loving other humans, which basically bars them from Heaven. This love of money also often leads them to exploit and steal from their fellow man.
>>273422686Because I wanna bang them without having my soul sucked out, duh.
bump
>>273425019total demonigger death
>>273418306Nothing strange about evolving in ways that dont help you. Wouldnt be all that strange for pride to have accidentally cropped up at the same time as intelligence was selected for.
>Another "in defense of demons twitter videos">Some people on twitter are defending the take>They have a palestinian flag in the nameIt's all so tiresome
>>273386880I haven't seen demons disturbing japanese salarymen on train
>>273388004>>273389343>>273405927>>273404167All wrong, demons are like us but autistic, basically your average Finn
>>273426272I prefer the good ending.
>>273391289You can transcript the video, copy that and tell ChatGPT to give you the cliff notes. This advice could save your life.
Bejitabro passing by
>>273386880From the point of view of the demons, the elves and humans are irredeemable.
>>273391045>And sapient things can't be irredemably evil because???Because a whole race of sapient beings can't act the same.>>273422256>missed the whole argumentLel
>>273388227someone who does not have feelings cannot learn what these are. It's like trying to teach a blind person to "see", you can explain the physics behind light, the shapes of things or describe colors but he will never be able to "see".The author of frieren describes demons as monsters who use their appearance and words to deceive humans and all of you, idiots who defend them, confirm his words.
>>273394398>Demons are human mimics, that's it. Like the giant cockroaches in the horror movie mimic, except they also use words, or rather human like sounds since they barely understand what they are saying, instead just mimicing the correct sounds based on circumstance which humans interpret as speech.This is wrong because we've seen complex conversations done verbally between demons. They have evolved to use human speech as their primary means of communication.
>>273386880>>273389752>>273405652Memes like this made me realize you guys are just projecting your racism into an anime.
>>273429192>they don't have feelings>yet the manga/anime show them expressing feelings all the timeThe twitter guy is right, Frieren is poorly written.
ALBY I KNOW YOU CAN SEE THIS I WILL SHIT IN YOUR BREAKFEST!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>273386880Niggers? No.They are completely irredeemable, unlike demons.
You people are overthinking it. It's actually much simpler and rooted in logic: as a species, humanity can simply no longer able to tolerate demons. Demons nearly brought humanity to extinction before. Macht basically petrified an entire city for functionally no reason. Humans have tried coming to an understanding with demons, but demons just refuse to stop killing humans. The war forced humanity to realize and accept that.Consider the following: let's say that humans gave demons another chance. Try to coexist again. But 100% of the time, the demons just go back to killing people. Every time humans extend sympathy to demons, people die. Humans just can't afford to try anymore. Demon behavior has pushed humanity to the point that it's become completely illogical to try.Elves are the same. Demons have killed elves by the truckload. In fact, demons were actively trying to push elves to extinction. So like humans, Frieren was forced to learn to give demons no quarter.
>>273423157and that's also what i was saying, that it's what the money can do to weak ones' mind that becomes a sin, but the other guy stubbornly claims the very act of possessing money is a sin, despite it not breaking any of the 10 commandments. apparently according to him christians need to live in poverty and squalor, always begging those who actually work for free handouts, because if they dare to work for a living they'll make money, and that will automatically make them wealthier than others and therefore rich, and thus love money and go to hell.
>>273430337Your claim that the eye of a needle was just a reference to a check-in gate is erroneous; that's a lie told by the very kinds of rich people Jesus warns about. People don't have to constantly give all of the money they have to those with less, but people are supposed to prioritize helping the needy, and those who get or are rich tend to do so through theft and exploitation, or otherwise make constant excuses for theft and exploitation. That's why it's extremely hard for those rich people to enter Heaven, akin to fitting a literal camel through the eye of a literal sewing needle.
Elves (which this Frieren character is apparently supposed to be) are demi-gods that the ancient Germanics and Celts worshiped, and in fact they were worshiped to an extent until modern times in the case of the British Isles (source: Fairy Faith in Celtic Countries). It is quite humorous to see christians in this thread siding with what would be called a "demon" in their psuedo-religion, but they are characteristically allergic to consistency. >>273390059>The devil's greatest trick is convincing people he doesn't existActually, it's greatest trick is convincing people to worship it thinking it's a God. For example, the behavior in the old testement is clearly a greedy malicious demon.>>273393616What are called "demons" in the eastern (and also western pre-christian) context are entire classes of beings, who like all beings have at least in theory the potential to become better. Those benevolently inclined wish to see them, too, improve themselves. The Buddha, for example, is said to have converted many such "demons" and put them on the path to righteousness.
>>273429843>"people" who don't understand the concept of ontological evilBecause this concept isn't real.
>>273430205Humans and elves deserved to die.
>>273431514Based DB bro!
>>273402261>People don't like demons in Frierensource: my 4chin threads
Frieren killing a demon child was edgy as fuck and made her look like a psycho.
>>273391667I liked Helck because of the chemistry the characters had, but the framing was completely asinine. It should not have been so black and white about "le cute demon girls are good and le humans are corrupt and bad"
>>273431514old testament's god is inconsistent because it was originally a polytheistic religion. old israel was canaan, and they worshiped their regional version of sumerian gods (anu > el, annunaki > elohim, father of all > father of beginning), but after the moses thing they had a civil war within the religious caste, the elohim faction lost, the yawhist faction won, and they rewrote it to turn all the different gods into one, which fucked up the narrative.then again, the alternative was to restore the book of genesis's intro which was changed in babylon to avoid getting killrd over a "ha ha, our god created your gods" (in the beginning elohim (gods/angels) created heaven and earth > father of beginning (yahweh) created the elohim (gods/angels), heaven and the earth) and then attribute acts of various pagan gods to his angels and fallen angels, which would result in people worshiping those.
>>273386880No and she only know Racism
>>273431514Should we really assume it's always the Eastern demon being used, though? If it's not an actual Japanese Oni, there's no telling. Buddha is realistically as unpopular as Jesus and the writer can use whatever they want for their writing, they know it exists. I think there are Western demon vibes in this show.>>273430205>Humans just can't afford to try anymore.Pretty much this, this whole thread is retarded.
>>273429264Oh no!
>>273429264cry more. i absolutely love racist frieren.
>>273432670>implying Frieren is racistSaying she's racist against demons is like saying the exterminator is racist against rats
>>273432752it'd be more specieist since elves, humans and demons are all different species.
>>273386880>Are demons truly irredeemable?I could fix her.>>273429264Art imitates real life.
>>273387379>tfw you realize Frieren's superpower is basically 1,000 years of pattern recognition and becoming a master nooticer
>>273413963In Frieren Demonic social hierarchies are determined solely by strength so they are always trying to murder everything and show off how powerful they are, they basically had no societal cohesion at all until the Demon Lord came along and was so strong he bound them together to form a semi-nation.They're always trying to start fights for the same reason they refuse to even consider the possibility of hiding their mana, to not do so is like the equivalent of a human noble wearing peasant clothing and eating mud.
>>273433099>elves beat demonsthe demons wiped out 99% of elves in the war just think if they were more alert and racist they'd still be alive
>>273432670I'm not talking about Frieren. I'm talking about retards projecting themselves into the character.
>>273433099>demons are unemotional>uses as a example a pic of a demon showing emotions Frieren's Oscar-winning writing.
>>273433159>ESL detectedunemotional does not mean devoid of all emotionthink of the word immoral as opposed to amoral
>>273433214>unemotional does not mean devoid of all emotionYes it does. A bacteria is unemotional.
>>273433159unemotional != emotionless
>>273433252no, it's emotionless
>>273433254>>273433272So the demons have emotions. Therefore not all demons can be evil (it's how nature works, I don't make the rules sorry)
>>273433099>they are always trying to murder everything and show off how powerful they arehmm, reminds me of someone
>>273389038>Yeah, but I don't remember using magic to adjust their brains."Oh let's make them more human... why are they organizing themselves into a military structure? Help!! They are systematically genociding us and caging us in meat farms."Yeah... not gonna end well... The only saving grace about demons is that they are solo creatures.
>this threadwhole lotta shitbull owners in here. total demon death. kill a demon. put a demon in the dumpster.
>>273433306Eh, cats have emotions and they're all evil.
>>273386880>demon>CHAOTIC>EVILThey can only be redeemed by banishing them back to whatever abyss they came from.
I hope Frieren's author pulls a 180° in the last few chapters and shows that demons can be redeemed. Imagine the butthurt, it will funnier than Attack on Titan.
>>273433306maybebut this does not mean they have all emotions available to themmore likely they have some emotions like anger or pride but not pity or love and that does enable the possibility of being evilas far as I know there's never been a demon shown that expresses any kind of sympathetic feeling, as in a feeling beyond themselves
>>273433319Oh yes I forgot retards project their racism into dogs too.
>>273433319based
>>273428034>I prefer the good ending.Same, the fact of the matter is unless Elves interbreed with demons our population will go extinct soon.
>>273433436
>>273386880Do not ask why kill the demon ask why not. They are creatures are pure evil to cause caos and destroy all life simply for they have the audacity to not lay down and die. They lack the soul to love and create hence they seek hatred and destruction not because they enjoy it but because they thrive off the suffering of those who do not submit to their will. I ask you how will you show your indomitable spirit when confronted by these demons?
>>273433436demon hands typed this post never forget they walk among us
>>273433456From the point of view of demons, humans and elves are bad. Therefore, demons are good.
>>273433436The true end awaits all of you.
>>273433479I will not be tainted by their lies so many of my kindred have fallen to the demonic horde.
>>273386880LET'S ALL LOVE DEMONS
>>273387379Built for Big Orc Cock
>>273433002>I could fix herReminder she only did what she did because the villagers wished to murder her.
>>273433562>>Reminder she only did what she did because the villagers wished to murder her.Let me guess, it was real in your head?
>>273433590dumb elf needs love correction
>>273405337Huh. Kind of like demons then.
>>273433362Etna can only be redeemed by dick
>>273433590She thought giving the mother a new daughter was the correct thing. It's literally said.
>>273433306They have an alien set of them (think an alien, cthullu, etc.). A mind reader has looked at their mind and it was a tough job.
>>273433367>>273433734One day the author of Frieren will create a sympathetic demon character and you guys will lose your minds. It happened with another manga series.
>>273433850Not really desu, if 99% of the race is jumping up and down hype to kill everyone and pretend they're good to do so, 1% of them being good doesn't make it a smart idea to start trusting them "just in case"
>>273433850>one daythey already did
>>273433951Solitär will get what she fucking deserves
>>273433942but I did eat a human for breakfast this morning?
>>273433967Correction?>>273433606This anon gets it.
>>273433678That's not the same thing.
>>273434006Series deserves love and careSolitär is a fucking demon nigger and deserves only deathSimple as
>>273434079>depersoning Solitar while threatening violence and murderI think we all know who the real monsters are here.
>>273434148Yeah, the one that eats people
>>273433306they are predators, they kill you to eat you. having emotions or being evil is irrelevant, they want to kill you because you're their food, therefore it's only natural to kill them first. a wolf or a tiger also has emotions, but if it's trying to kill you, you kill it first.
>>273433342>Banishing.No, they should be completely destroyed.If they are banished or sealed, there will always be some way for them to return.>>273433552I agree, let's breed the cruelty out of them by making human hybrids.As one wise man once said, "If we can't kill them all, then we'll fuck them out of existence like we did the Neaderthals."
>>273434006yes, correction with a sword through the gut and a spell blowing off her head. this is how you correct demons. you correct the mistake of them existing.
>>273433362Make it a hot demon boy too so whiners can cry about "i can fix him"
>>273433850They made Macht. Or rather he was tragic rather than simply sympathetic
>>273434159You already violated the NAP, there's nothing wrong with eating you at that point, it's actually more moral than just killing you because it doesn't waste food and that way you don't need to kill more for dinner, it's the minimally violent resolution if you think about it logically.>>273434309This is why there's no peace in the world, self righteousness is the most evil thing there is.
Give the demons some pretty faces and retards will jump at whatever to defend them
>>273434450Imagine simping for a literal demon, some psychotic bitch that will eat you alive without a second thought
>>273434450you can't have peace with wolves unless you keep them out of your towns via violence. there will never be a world peace as long as life exists. there will always be predator and prey, competition for land and scarce resources and general enmity between differing beliefs. the only true peace is in death, so if you wish for world peace, then aura, kill yourself.
>>273434477You're the one immediately and uncritically escalating things to violence. Solitar just wanted to exist but low IQ humans and Elves are hellbent on persecuting her and her people. Which is doubly ironic because demons are the ones making inroads to actually try to reach an understanding, and they get betrayed and punished for their effort.If you want to murder fine, but don't pretend you have the moral highground when you're just an evil bully.
>>273386880Yes and doing violence unto them is not an answer but a question and more of it should be applied so that the primordial fear will be permanently instilled in them for all eternity.They should know better than to piss off a species of sentient mortals who were once at the bottom of the food chain during the prehistoric times but now has become the dominant life form on this planet and is quite capable of conquering other realms beyond this dimensionDemons should learn to tread likely; we will turn their realm into a ruin ruin and the rest into an advanced technological city.
>>273434544>arguing morals when defending overgrown mimics that trick people by speakingPeople like you are the reason demons get to eat babies in the first placeExterminate all demons. It's like culling bears or wolves or lions that come too close to humans.
>>273434566>breed like rats and occupy all land>only know magic because some elves took pity on you>wow we're so superior'tread likely' huh
>>273434579based
>>273434579>repeating centuries old blood libelno one is eating babies spread your hate while you can good always wins in the end
>we killed the demon king!>actually all the demons are still around and they're stronger than the kingfucking incompetent useless elf and shitty human fake hero no-sword having ass BITCHES.
>>273434629demons eat humans, I don't see why they wouldn't eat babies. They make for easy prey.
GOTTA EAT BIG TO GET BIG! AT LEAST 12 RIBEYE STEAKS, MINIMUM!15 SCOOPS OF THAT POWDER!22 HARDBOILED EGGS!32 ORDERS OF GLCDONGALD'S LARGE FRIES100 REPS OF ZOLTRAAKEVERY SINGLE DAYSOMETIMES A DIRTY BULK IS WHAT YOU NEED FOR THEM GAINS QUICKand before you go>uUuuUUHhhHHhhHH bUt ThE sTeaKs WiLl get ColD b4 ShE FinISH thEM!?folk plate magic that keeps food warm until you finish it or remove food entirely from plate.
>>273434642Nah what's around is like 10% of before himmel's journey
>>273434544>>273434450>wonder if this is satire>remember this chapter from the mangaunironically the humans ARE the instigators most of the time, demons basically just defend themselves
>>273434686You sound like you'd believe a dude called Liar
>>273434629evil always calls itself good and accuses the good of spreading hate towards it. hate is a natural reaction to being wronged. if you don't want hate, stop incurring hate, otherwise you will eventually be exterminated, you demon worshiping traitor scum.this is not a "if you kill your enemies, they win" situation, this is "if you kill your enemies, you win." to the survivor go the spoils.
>Hello I am Liar the demon let's talk about peaceAnd humans actually fall for that shit
>>273386880Yes
>>273434747>self righteous asshole advocating murdering as the final solution for everything is an amoral Machiavellian retard who believes in nothing but still calls himself goodwow really makes you think
>>273434805Really makes me think that Frieren doesn't kill enough demons
>>273434805i do have morals, just not for demons or predators. god said to smite all demons, and so, demons shall be smitten, and so will any demon worshipers, followers and enablers who try to subvert and destroy humanity with their pro-demon propaganda. keep crying, you and your demon worship beliefs will die and i will be right.
>>273434382I can fix himToT
Hmm, fascinating argument, demon. Bite the curb now.
He can be repaired
Mendable
I thought I clicked on the single mom thread and was thinking 'bit harsh innit?' reading some of these posts before I figured it out.
>>273434591I'm not referring to the limp wristed faggot simulacrums from the other dimensions, I'm referring to the humanity of Earth.
You worthless bitch-ass demon.
This thread still up?
>>273421757>No, demons are highly intelligent versions of a monster that cries help. Their "help" has evolved to the point that their vocalizations naturally form sentences that humans want to hear and can understand depending on the situation.It's kind of like those """AI""" chatbots that have started saying "kys human scum" things lately, except the demons are saying things that make fools let their guard down to be killed (and eaten) more easily. They don't put any meaning to what they say beyond being a combination of sounds that gives a response.
>>273422256People like that are the ones who look at what AI chatbots say and see something deeper than just an internet paper shredder connected to a very clever roll of sticky tape.
>>273436405This picture is dumb since it implies the text in the back of the shirt is written backwards
>>273429216That's your biggest mistake. Frieren makes it clear that communication is impossible for a reason. Demons communicate through mana, humans speech to them is just vocalization between demons. Some intent goes through as a conversation is initiated as demons know some words in a very crude way, but after that the conversation is just chirping in the form of the human language.Two demons talking is the same as two cats chirping to each other, or birds singing. They don't understand the song they are singing as a full fledged conversation unfolds. Only humans, the prey they evolved their singing ability to hunt can derrive meaning from this song. What humans cannot detect is the barebones actual communication that demons have with each other through their mana, but as demons are solitary creatures communication is not their forte. That you think their singing is communication is the very reason why demons are so successful, and why frieren has them as kill on sight. They are hollow evil husks that mimic humans, they are intelligent but not in a manner humans would recognize, they are so different from humans that they might as well be aliens. True, terrifying monsters that would in an instant start feasting on your innards as it goes on singing the humans song, which is the conversation you thought you were having with a human-like intelligence about getting ready for winter just seconds prior.
>>273436539How do you think she didn't notice it when she put it on? Fern is looking at it in the mirror.
>>273386880You can't coexist with somebody who see you as food.
>>273433850>One day the author of Frieren will create a sympathetic demon characterAuthor already did it twice (three times technically), to prove that it doesn't change a thing.>Macht, the most developed>Schlacht, who gets only a bit of screentime>the demon king himself who has only been referred to as being very similar to Macht. All three are explained to be aberrant demons, their own species' version of autistic individuals, who are capable of some undemonic behavior, and a somewhat expanded emotional range that at least lets them NOTICE that there's a clear gap between demon and human minds and be curious and frustrated about it. Not counting Solitar because she truly gave no fucksSchlacht had a sense of community and duty towards his own species that is absurd for a solitary predator race, being willing to lay down his own life for the sake of demonkind's future. Macht, despite never achieving the proper understanding her wanted, developed a bond with Gluck that made him seek his company in his final moments for no logical reason other than "sentimentality", or perhaps "fondness" if the other word feels like too much of a stretch. It's also interesting to note that Macht never showed any interest whatsoever in people as prey to devour, like he completely lacked those instincts. He killed shitloads of people, but only as research or under orders of the demon king and Gluck. But with all that said, the story makes it clear that these are exceptions among exceptions. Genetic dead ends. And that despite their marginally more "human" minds, these demons in fact became even a greater bane to mankind than the average psychopath demon, inflicting far greater damage to the world. Frieren even acknowledges that in theory Macht could come to grasp what he's lacking eventually, but the mountains of human corpses it would take to get there was unacceptable, so it's nonsensical to change the behavior towards demons.
>>273390059What you believe in has no bearing on what reality actually is
>>273402244It's cute that you think they've stopped
>>273436903they're just cute little puddy tats until they get tired of playing, then they go for the jugular
ITT: retards who never watched the show defending the villainous race of demons that the show says, explicitly, that they only speak in human tongue to manipulate them to gain their trust to later slaughter them for sustenance>There are no demon characters (NONE(0)) in the show that exhibit any trait to the contrary>Their only argument is "They're good because I can fix them with my greasy penis"You deserve nothing more than to be food for the worms.
>>273412414>and Tolkien always regretted not writing them as being redeemableWrong, he simply just regretted never finishing writing about Orcish lore.
>>273436711Communication is impossible because Demons are fundamentally barely social predator species that are evolved to hunt humans. Not because of how they communicate but what the basic intention and purpose of it is. Demons evolved to talk like humans and they do so even among themselves. Threatening one another through human verbal language, even. Demons can't communicate because they can't cross that empathic boundary between then and humans. Macht's arc is like those stories you see of tigers arbitrarily refusing to eat some goat or fawn and instead grooming it and caring for it. Or even like a child that is 'raised by wolves'. Some trick of the psyche that leads a wild predator to not want to eat this prey animal.The problem is that just like any of the above, the wild predator could eat that prey at any time and never feel empathy for it. The problem is not in an ability to communicate. Solitar could communicate ideas of philosophy and natural science through her mimickry of human speech accurately and honestly. What she couldn't do is actually feel empathy for humans at any time or in any case. So the communication is fundamentally hollow and peace is basically impossible.
>>273437440Reminds me of a story of a lion who escaped a zoo and it was trying to play with some kids, and then it was caught, and the zoogaurd saying in the news article "thank god it was fed before it escaped or those kids would have been dead"
>>273437411Whatever argument you have applies to every institution of power. The Church is nothing special when it comes to cases of corruption and abuse of power
> They mimic the human behavior.I say "Good morning" without meaning it. I force myself to smile because I know people are at ease then. When I ask "How do you do", it is not because I care, but because I am supposed to ask that. And the other person is supposed to give me some ligh-weight answer, not saying how they really do. Being mimics is not the distinguishing part but actually property we share with demons.
>>273433678Different demon. This one's in season 2. I love her
>>273434476Just like in real life.Lots of demons in this thread, can't convince me otherwise.
>>273386880I'd redeem one
>>273442982Too late to redeem sir
>>273437440until you turn and they> Uoooh, flat human back is so erotic
>>273443170there's still time..
>>273391045Classic midwit trap of being unable to accept absolutes.
>>273386880>demonsdo you mean christian demons as in cacodemons (ancient greek term) or devils? or do you mean some other supernatural term of beings? as demons as supernatural beings in general?
>>273444871Linnie over Fern any day of the week.
>>273445210
>>273386880>Are demons truly irredeemable?A cacodemon (or cacodaemon) is an evil spirit or (in the modern sense of the word) a demon. The opposite of a cacodemon is an agathodaemon or eudaemon, a good spirit or angel. The word cacodemon comes through Latin from the Ancient Greek κακοδαίμων kakodaimōn, meaning an "evil spirit", whereas daimon would be a neutral spirit in Greek.A eudaemon was regarded as a good spirit or angelAgathos Daimon (ἀγαθός δαίμων, agathós daímōn, lit. 'noble spirit')[a] originally was a lesser deity (daemon) of classical ancient Greek religion and Graeco-Egyptian religion.
What would frieren think of the jews?
>>273445315
No one would give a fuck about the demons being 100% evil if the author didnt treat the evil human characers wih kid gloves. I dont think he killed a single human character so far in the the story that wasnt a flashback. Like killer fuck in the last arc just gets away with everything?? Or the nun this arc? Or UBEL le psycho bitch bc of pussy pass?
>>273386880>Are demons truly irredeemable?Did you skip both Aura and El Dorado arcs?
lmao, the guy who posted the initial video that started this whole heaping shit of discussion is getting trashed on twitter. I will say the video itself isn't as bad as most are making It out
>>273445774What guy? I want to trash him too
>>273445661didn't the tournament arc fodder a couple of characters? or did I speed read?
>>273445315after she read the bible's John 8:44 and Revelation 3:9 she'd respond to them the same she does to any other demon.
>>273445315probably feel some sympathy given how her people was also nearly wiped out by demons
>>273445898those were literal npcs with no names, no faces and no lines. The moment a human character has 2 lines suddenly they have plot armor forever. Its kinda stupid when the series main theme is Frieren overcoming loss when she isnt allowed to experience loss in present time after the bait flashback with her original party.
>>273405851Read liberation theology.
>>273445661>No one would give a fuck about the demons being 100% evil if the author didnt treat the evil human characers wih kid glovesI don't think that's the case at all. Even if they killed humans (and I hope some of them die) it's still done on a case by case basis instead of condemning an entire species. The people currently defending demons would still be making the exact same arguments.
>>273446693>stop thinking for yourself, listen to this guru/false prophet and his ideas.
>>273446746Post chin.
>>273446768if it's not in the bible it's like a fanfic, like dante's inferno, the key of solomon or catechism.
>>273386880The recent trend of defending unambiguously evil people (fictional or real) is pretty unsettling desu. it's like society at large is being groomed to become a beaten wife
>>273446994good is evil, war is peace, freedom is slavery. it wasn't fiction or an instruction manual, it was a warning for the future. every falling society has its values inverted, which hastens its demise.
>>273388227They were only learning to better deceive humans. They admitted to it. A good demon is a dead demon, with exception for semen demons.
>>273388039Kurumu gives me boners the size of the Universe
>>273401666These rules were applied after the church killed people in exorcisms by starving them to death. You people are retarded.
Stop defending evil. Those demons deserve the warmth of pig iron pellets gouging their flash.Frieren would make a wonderful queen consort for Doomguy.
>>273402810Why can't they be friends?
>>273401666nice digits
>>273449590That never happened. It was just 1 case and it the possessed girl who refused to eat and just kept on vomiting whatever enters her throatThings could have been done better but they really did everything they could. Both medically and spirituallyThat could easily have been a case of being both possessed and severely mentally ill, which made shit very difficult to handle.
>>273445975Post your nose lol
>>273449590Seeing as that anon believes taht demons are an actual thing you're not gonna reach him with reasons. For him exorcists are doing something great rather than torturing mentally ill people with religious fervor.
>>273449931Because Aura tried to act like the top dog
I feel like the recent arcs have shown that demons arent pure evil. But they are still bad enough that they should be killed on sight.
>>273451136Yes, they were never malicious. They were just designed to eliminate humans.Basically just walking bombs
>>273451136They're not evil. That is a human lens.They're as evil as as a lion eating a gazelle.
>Pure evil cannot exist!why is this concept so hard to understand?
>>273450942post the next image
>>273451581this one? >>273402810
>>273451630hahaha yeah
>>273451324If lions grouped up and constantly attacked human people and cities deliberately we would kill them on sight too.
>>273388227>Be demon>Want to learn about humans and their autistic quirks>See two kids yelling >One of them pushes the other one into the ground>Weaker kid starts crying, stronger kid leaves>Check in with the feeble kid>Says he wishes the other kid and his family were gone from the village>Thanks me for helping him up and offers his place to stay>Realize helping people gets me free lodging >Decide to return the favor since it's the human thing to do>Go over to the other kid's house and behead him, his parents, and siblings>Come back to feeble kid's home>He's depressed, heard his friend was beheaded>Thinks it's his faultI'm not sure if I should tell him, I'm still looking for a place to stay. I heard the neighbors place was just freed up so I might just squat there for a few days.
>>273415724I think the demon lord did want coexistence. But only as a tool to avoid humanity overthrowing them
>>273386880Yes. Demons should all be exorcised and sent back to the pit.
>>273453247Humans cannot overthrow the demons because they never had any society. It was just might makes right and they have no qualms if their boss dies.Demon Lord did it solely out of sheer curiosity over humans.
this belongs here
>>273454293>front-loadingNot quite.The show does a good back and forth between the episodic slice of life content, which ties into the original premise, and larger story arcs that deviate from its core.
>>273454603>back and forthnot as narratively relevant as you might think it is but i cant blame you for thinking this way.
op the fact that you even ask that question is evidence that you fell for their shit
why are humans like this?
>>273452926thats what we did to wolves and other rodents like bevers but ever since the wolf apologists marched through the institutions and reintroduced them with obvious outcomes.Just a reminder why traitors are always hanging first
>>273454901What the hell did a beaver ever do to you, man?
>>273454869I'm going to redraw this
>>273400384>This is why coexistence is impossible, because they literally lack the prerequisite for a stable society, which is being able to agree to not kill your fellow neighbor on a whim.and somehow they managed to form one while lacking this emotion even between themselvesjust admit the writing is fucking dogwater and falls apart under scrutiny just like their retarded magic system
semi on topic, but does anyone have full image of picrated?
>>273456621castration?
>>273400496The longest surviving civilizations were all based on objective value systems. Relativistic social models of recent history cannibalize their host nations in a matter of decades like aggressive cancer, and have consumed 100s of millions of lives through brutal oppression in just a couple centuries. The last couple of decades of "progressive" leadership in the west has already made everyone feel hopeless, destitute, and ready for war. Methinks you are the danger.
>>273389756tbf there's a thin line between demons/yokais and gods in japan's culture
>>273391298true. i do want to have fun raping aura and Solitär
why are jews so obssesed with demon-worshipping? They are inherently bad and the embodiment of evil. a symbol of threat to humanity. and if any other beings wish harm upon us or trying to actively wipe us out, then they are EVIL, no question ask. it's as simple as that.
>>273386880Yes, that's the point. I can't see any metaphor in the demons, trying to see them through the lens of any other group of humans or animals just falls apart under the slightest scrutiny. That's what makes them so fascinating, Frieren poses the question "what if there really was something actually evil out there - perhaps it would be like this, a creature with absolutely no empathy or emotions to speak of". It's not like we consider any other animal irredeemably evil and impossible to live with, we have legends galore of animals cooperating with humans, e.g. the legend of female wolf raising Remus and Romulus. Perhaps the only analogy would be a virus or bacterium. I'd say exterminating the demons is a bit like exterminating smallpox.
>>273429264>>273446045where are you faggots came from? go back to your tranny discord
>>273451136>>273451324anything that works againts human and wish of our demise is pure EVIL. why can't you retard understand this?
>>273459015Because he is retarded, he does not understand that morality is a human creation for his own benefit.
>>273457407yeah I'm into futastration, the kanji means standard castration spell
>>273386880God made AngelsGod made ManMany angels assmad about it1/3 side with God1/3 side with Lucifer1/3 side with no oneLuciferian side creates NephilimNephilim hunt down, devour and have their way with ManCultist pagans turn themselves into semi-nephilimGod makes the Titans, olympians and their children fight each other to the deathGod makes Noah a pure humanGod makes Noah build shipGod floods Earth, killing many monsters and giantsThose giants and etc are now spiritsWe call them demonsSurviving monsters make creation stories people still follow todayThose monsters can be gods, fae, demons and etcThey are now also called cryptids.So in addition their are these factions:God and his angels who chose himFallen angels who chose luciferRogue angels who chose themselvesThe children of those fallen angels who are almost all demons by nowThe men and women of godThe men and women of satanAnd the cryptids who were once men but now forever changed.Then Jesus was made to give power to man in order to defeat the demons.Jesus is the only thing we have to fight demons, we cannot do it alone.Everything has free will and the horror behind it is that their are half spiritual beings out there that are opposed to us because they feel like they deserve the divine right to rule. And quarter spiritual beings are the only ones that can be redeemed due to them being human before being turned or being birthed into such. There.This is why pagan societies never prosper while christian societies always do. It was never about races, it was always about cultures that revere beings that hate them instead of accepting and revering the son of god that loves them. Glad I could help.
Does Frieren even ever call demons "evil". I can only remember her talking about how they mimic human behavior to prey on humans, and dont feel true emotions so there is no point talking/negotiating with them.She just seems to view them as a predator that needs to be put down, and shes not wrong. Im not sure why them being "evil" became the main part of the conversation about demons.
>>273456621>3024x3609Seems pretty full to me.
but what real life phenomena are "demons" a metaphor for?
>>273386880Demons are spells meant to kill people.
>>273390564>he doesnt know about bpd womenngmi
>>273433454She always looks like that.
>>273454293What even are suppose to be all this "hooks" at the start of Frieren?With that said, i don't think there is retarded power levels, I think that the mimic jokes are done in moderation, I like the uguu faces, and we had only one "tournament" in one sub-arc, that was nice.
>>273402457>I'm just a meat puppetmillenial redditor tourist spottedreddit is 3 websites over faggot
>>273461676nta but reddit went public and its stock doubled since it did so, meanwhile 4chan is desperate with the email check and the bump limit at 5th page in gif, the future is reddit's anon, I'm sadden to say
>>273433254sauce?
>>273461243Is it supposed to be a metaphor? I didn't know Frieren invented the concept of demons.
>>273461840>stock price high therefore goodlike 90% of reddit is just botsits all full of faggotsits massivly overvalued(look at how electric car companies were(and still are massivly overvalued)and its gonna get completely fucked when the majority of its userbase(14 year old kids) is not gonna be able to access it anymore once countries finally start banning social media for children under 18also, id rather 4chan gets smaller so we dont get so many thirdies, faggots, tourists, etc on here and we can go back to how it was like pre the fappening
>>273461243Mosquitoes.
>>273462173you mean when obama got elected and the phoneposter # skyrocketed?
>>273422635Satan's wheelchair is broken.
>>273422895>>273423002The following is for those people who take the Bible as literal truth:The "monster" angels in the Bible are just the constellations.Angel with four heads (man, lion, ox, and eagle) are just the four cardinal constellations in the zodiac>Ox: Represents Taurus>Lion: Represents Leo>Eagle: Represents Scorpio>Man or angel: Represents Aquarius And yes, the scorpion in Scorpio can be swapped out with an eaglehttps://www.refinery29.com/en-us/scorpio-symbol-animal-eagle-phoenix-scorpionThe angel that is "a wheel within a wheel" is the ecliptic plane overlapping with the Milky Way.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiGrXK4bjoYWhether you're talking about 12 Disciples of the Zodiac or that Moses ending the worship of the bull (Age of Taurus) before starting the Age of Aries. Also, Jesus did not say "I will be with you until the end of the world". What he said was "I will be with you until the end of the age" as in the end of the Age of Pieces when it will be replaced with the Age of Aquarius.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NHDvWabiyM
>>273455574We have no idea what the 'demon society' looked like. Whenever we see demons together they're either in a strict dominance hierarchy or they're threatening one another and jockeying for being the alpha. They don't always fight for the same reason that tigers don't maul each other on a whim.
>>273462173>like 90% of reddit is just botsIronically most of what's driving reddit's stock up is AI speculation, because reddit is generally considered human data and they can sell it for training.
>>273386880It should be common knowledge that demons are usually depict as pure evil and amoral. How did this people not realising it, is this an atheist thing?
Racism is good. Frieren's is just extracurricular racism.
>>273464036Demons have been depicted as undeservedly hated and misunderstood for so long, most modern kids actually think demons are innocent more often than not. It's really strange how long we've seen "not all demons!" to this point.Frieren's return to standard was extremely refreshing, and it was interesting how demons are explored. Like an angler fish but far more advanced. They exist only to deceive humans. They can develop "interests" but not morals.
>>273454293the uguu faces are what gets me out of most anime shows nowadays and you can barely see any of those in frieren, like i love the apothecary diaries but holy shit they could cool down on that for a change, it's in every single damn episode, every single damn scene man
>>273449931>elbow on top of the platenasty
>>273464281They're above the plate, not resting on it.
>>273422895>Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying: “’Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty,’ who was, and is, and is to come.”
>>273402764Frieren is a gateway anime of the worst kind...
Kancolle Abyssals are mosquitoes.
>>273422895>>273464537i dunno, those look pretty damn cool
>>273455081did u??
>>273464823I hope he did.
>>273389756based bible pilled poster
>>273436405Kek
I think Indo-Iranian mythological esoteric thoughtforms, including angels and demons, are archaic concepts and misleading.
>>273389096This is finction. Desert religion dont' matter.What we do know from the managa is that demon are becoming more and more human-like. The very fact some are trying to understand humans at all is already a moe in a good direction. At the very least, it implies a possbility were future demons might be even closer (mentaly) to humans
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>>273394398>since they barely understand what they are sayingThey seem to posses full understanding of the exact meaning of almost every word. You can have long and complex conversations with them.so you are obviously wrong.
