The writer of the Bocchi the Rock said that she deliberately toned down the sex appeal and fanservice from the original manga. She said that she feels that stories devalue themselves when they "sexually exploit characters meant to be minors for views", and that "fans are free to do whatever they want but that she doesn't like when the official side does it." She says that if a show wants to be big and popular then "sexual exploitation" just becomes noise that could turn off the audience. For example, there is a scene in manga where Bocchi is naked in the bath that's portrayed as sexy, but in the anime she made her wear a swimsuit and turned the scene into cartoon comedy. "Sex appeal is not the selling point of Bocchi, so it doesn't need it."https://kai-you.net/article/93374/page/2Do you agree with her, /a/?
>>282275679she's wrong for a different reason. I protest censorship done out of the artist choice or control. If they want to change their shit for whatever reason it's still stupid, but it was still their choice at least.
>>282275679The script writer of the anime to be precise
It's so over
>>282275679she's right you know
Industry shills will still pretend that censorship in anime doesn't exist.
>>282275679Why not right your opinion first instead of being a click baiting bitch
>>282275679>The seriousness of the problem is clear, especially in the case of works that depict teenage girls, such as "Maebashi Witches," which, if applied to real life, would amount to sexual exploitation of minors.Pulling the "sexual exploitation of fictional characters" card. Ding!>"In the original manga, Hitori-chan (the main character, Goto Hitori) is naked in the scene where she takes a bath, but in the anime she is in a swimsuit. If depictions like that were the selling point of Bozaro, that would be fine, but I don't think that's the case, and I thought that depictions like that would be distracting when aiming for dominance."Unabashed defense of censorship. Ding!>She strongly denied that "people don't talk like that in real life," including scenes where "girls comment on each other's breast size," and had thought that such scenes were common and casual in anime, but Yoshida Erika declared that "unless that's the selling point of the work, it's just noise."Disrespecting the original work, claiming that elements that are personally unpalatable are noise. Ding!When are people going to wake up and realize that Japan is rotten from the core just like the West? These same sentiments are held half the world over.
>>282275821Censorship in anime didn't exist when Abe was PM. But Kishida and Ishiba has banned bikinis from anime. That's why no anime this season have bikinis.(kanokari and grand blue are ugly hags so doesn't count) and That's why Kimipri has no swimsuit ep which was tradition of precure and even dog had....
>>282275679No need for the thread, we all already agreed that Bocchi the Censored is shit.
>>282275831But did censorship in anime exist when Abe was PM? Ishiba has resigned and new PM will decensor anime as Aso Taro kicked ishiba away due to bikini ban from anime. No anime this season has bikini due to ishiba banning bikinis from anime. But New PM will decensor anime and return bikinis and panties to anime!!
>>282275862Kishida ordered them to censor anime. No anime was censored during Abe cabinet. No wonder why Aso Taro is angry about Kishida and Ishiba for being feminists who bans bikinis from anime.
>>282275862This thread is useful because it's a direct confirmation of anime being censored at the source. Whenever someone claims that's a conspiracy, just point them here.
>>282275884So did anime got censored from source when Abe shinzo was PM? Hope Shinjiro has decensored anime just like Abe cabinet.
>>282275900I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if it occurred during Abe's second term, but I don't keep record of what's censored and what isn't. Maybe another anon is better at record-keeping than I am.
>>282275679>cries about sexually exploitation>is a cartoon>is a regular ass bathing sceneThese retards aren't dying fast enough.
real sexual exploitation would be the band members having to blow club owners' for a chance to perform on-stage. but japan veers away from that, not even the genius managaka Aka was willing to commit to showing the gritty side of the industry by having all the actresses spreading their legs for yakuza producers. I think the one shitty actor guy was fucking his producer, though. he knew what got him roles and it wasn't his bad acting!
>>282275862Any Japanese gacha which is censored? Uma gets bikinis every year while BA and nikke lack bikinis.
>>282275679Women don't get it and will never get it.Until you try to take their BL or pretty boys away. If every male character looked like this then they'd speak up.
>>282275849>Censorship in anime didn't exist when Abe was PMYes it did
>>282275679>For example, there is a scene in manga where Bocchi is naked in the bath that's portrayed as sexy, but in the anime she made her wear a swimsuit and turned the scene into cartoon comedy.The problem is that nobody goes in the bath wearing a swimsuit so that scene was just nonsensical for the sake of censorship.
>>282275679The scriptwriter is right. No need to put sexuality into a show about innocence and anxiety
>>282276076>nobody goes in the bath wearing a swimsuitthat just tells me you haven't met enough weirdos in your life
Bocchi won
I think writers can write whether they want.
>>282276148yes... so they should've respected the original mangaka's vision
>>282275679She's fucking retarded and should get rapedWho does she think she is, censoring the work of another?
>>282276148She's not the mangaka
>>282275679Isn't Bocchi's mangaka also a woman? lol
>>282276177That's actually not the conclusion.
>>282276224Ok, do we rage about FMA 2003 now?
>>282275679I don't really care about this, but Hamaji's the one who originally whored out Bocchi, so blame it on her, not the fans or "muh exploitation of minors".
>>282275821It's not censorship. She's in charge of the adaptation and she's making these changes of her own artistic will. You can disagree with her but it's not censorship.
>>2822762951) That was 22 years ago, what would be the point?2) Most people agree Brotherhood is better, retard3) That wasn't done out of censorship or feeling like they knew better than the mangaka, but a lack of source material
>>282276278>people can write whatever they want>except when someone else thinks what you wrote was incorrect and changes itis that what you meant?
>>282276320How is it not censorship? She's literally removing something from the original work for retarded reasons and she is not the author
>>282276332I think the mangaka can write whatever she wants in the manga. Ditto for anime.
>>282275740Oh well that's good to know at least
>>282276347Retard. I hope you experience someone trampling over your work some day.
>>282275679I hope she doesn't return for season 2 if she's really this retarded
>>282276354Cool. See you when there's more panties and boobs in the anime and you require them to be removed.
Where do these types even crawl out from? I was under the impression jap women weren't this retarded (yet)
>>282275679based writer
>>282276364Except that's not what's happeningAlso>equating amping up to censorship
>>282275679You guys should be thanking this person for making a shit 4koma series something interesting
>>282275679That's why the anime is better.
>>282276364Right, because adding more fanservice is exactly the same as removing all fanservice
>>282276412That's not the source material retard, that's some shit director thinking they know better
>>282276370Japanese women have always been extremely jealousy-ridden.
>>282276397Why does 4koma filter low IQs? Do they need haphazard shonen paneling like they need flashing lights to keep their attention?
>removed Bocchi's boobs entirely because of this
>>282276392If the manga contains no fanservice it would be rather disrespectful.
>>282276397Nope, we thank Saitou Keiichirou for making Bocchi the Rock what it is, not this hack of a screenwriter.
>>282276418What's your point then?
>>282276364That actually can be a problem sometimes. The Yozakura Quartet remake for example
>>282276436Then an argument can be made about it being an innaccurate adaptation or even disrespectul, whatever, but that's still not the same as censorship
>>282275679OH NO NO NO NO AHAHAHAA
>>282276448How many episodes did she work in anyway? Maybe she's a total nobody who "only" ruined a single episode or two
>>282276462Gay
>>282276473You have to prove removing nudity is censorship and not an artistic choice first.And adding fanservice is also fine but bikinischizo wouldn't give a shit.
Nothing is censorship ever!
I think adaptations are supposed to adapt the source material and not try to create a new spin that deviates too much from the original experience.
>>282275884it is censorship when decided by others, not by the author
>>282276566Based on some personal ideological thing too
>>282276502>You have to prove removing nudity is censorship and not an artistic choice first.Stop being retardedHow much more explicit than "durr this is sexual exploitation of minors" as her reason for doing it does it need to be?
>>282275679On one hand, that scene is too dumb to be sexy, so her naked body really is just noise. On the other hand, wearing a swimsuit in a bathtub is dumb. Then again, it being dumb goes well with the scene being dumb. However, "muh minors" and "muh child-friendliness" are huge red flags.
Something being "noise" or ""unnecessary"" (by completely subjective metrics) isn't a good reason or justification for removing something, might as well remove the whole gag or anything that doesn't relate to playing in a band
Why do writers and artists jave to act prudish even though they know the characters will be sexualized in fanart anyway
>>282276650Mangaka will always be the first one to sexualize their characters.
>>282276603>are huge red flags.Because they're obviously just excuses. The problem no matter what is the main character of a series having large breasts or something and possibly seen as attractive while also remaining a sympathetic character. It's hard to even call it that fanservicey or sexy to begin with. Hamaji is just less insecure.
>>282275679>sexual exploitation of minorsWho allowed this freak to work on anime? She clearly despises the medium.Luckily she doesn't seem to work on a lot of anime.
>>282276572Anon censorship is still censorship even if it was done by the person who made it
Self-insert slop for ""quirky"" normalfags.
>>282275679>The writer of the Bocchi the Rock>Actually just a script writer, not even the director or any of the episode directors or the animation director>go to the article, it doesn't say she made it that way, it says she had toop shit the bed so bad
>>282276739Forced changes is blantant censorship, "Censorship" by the original artist only if she admits that it was changed because of outside parties.
>>282276737She is in a lot, Dramas and anime. Hope she gets more writing gigs.
>>282276799Self censorship exist Anon and it was 100% done because of the Studio telling her to
>>282276819First of all, who the fuck cares about drama? Also no she doesn't and that's good https://anidb.net/creator/28427
>>282275679Should've kept the fanservice to filter out the western redditoids who don't even buy BDs.
>>282276650Because they are the ones who have the final say on how a character behaves in canon. Anything else is just fan interpretation.
>>282276737>anime is when I condone being a nonceKeep yourself contained, freak
>>282275679women amirite
>>282275679I don't get it? Basically "It's okay when I do it but not anyone else, not even my own series' anime"
>>282276979Do us a favor and kys you reddit freak.
>>282277019Reverse, "It's ok when others do it, but I will not do it"
>>282275679>Scriptwriter speaks out about the harmfulness of anime and expressionCancer from the very title, literally rejecting freedom of expression.>They may be drawings, but they're still minorsholy shit>It would be fine for works that use such imagery as a selling point, but BtR is not like that, so I felt that it would just be noise.See, this is why anime has gone to shit in the past 10 years. There's too much of a clear line separating clean anime and ecchi anime. There's no more casual fanservice. And it's all the fault of women in the industry.
Praying she gets canceled by otakus
>>282277537>There's too much of a clear line separating clean anime and ecchi anime.Anon did you forget all the anime that's just borderline porn like that Magical Girl one or the Monster girl one
>>282275679I agree with them, women really shouldn't wear anything other than hijab, it's inappropriate
>>282275679Does that mean BtR threads will get plagued by mentally ill schizos now (and I don't mean the Kita posters)?
>>282277707That's exactly the ecchi anime that I'm talking about.
>>282275679Anime was better without giant tiddies, and it was great joke when she was with tits in maid uniform, like somebody decided there should be fanservice in fanservice episode. Now I hate bocchi arts, because everyone draws giant tits, like in manga, ignoring anime design, which gave this title popularity.
>>282277758>>282277707>>282277537It's because people these days don't know how to give T&A without it being porn
>>282277707That's exactly what he was complaining about smoothbrain. It's either softcore porn or sterile garbage nowadays. 99% of "normal" works censor nipples for example, only hard ecchi shows are allowed to show them anymore.
>>282277820Please, kys
>>282276789She's not just a scriptwriter; she's the head scriptwriter/series composition for the anime adaptation. She supported the decision.https://anidb.net/creator/28427Furthermore, even if this was a totalitarian decision from the director or studio execs, this has gone to show how power and enforced restrictions lead to creators internalizing the justifications. This will only promote further censorship. There is a real-world normalization of fiction censorship and fiction restrictions as tolerable.Lastly, the studio for the anime adaptation is a subsidiary of Sony Music Entertainment Japan. Since 2018, Sony's PlayStation branches (controlled by the US-based Sony Interactive Entertainment) have had content restrictions/censorship policies that supersede rating boards like the ESRB, PEGI, and CERO. Sony's censorship policies frequently targeted Japanese anime-styled games. Now, to release on PlayStation, creators just obey the restrictions in advance and self-censor. Clearly, this is happening to anime.
>>282275679Holy crap it gets even worse!>It may be a drawing, but they're still minors>utmost care in what should and should not be depicted>whether I can show it to my own child or not, that's an important standard I hold on toThis woman is like one of those dumb gaijins that want to ban anime.
>>282278034>wrote Koisenu Futari>story about an asexual aromantic coupleIt all makes sense.
>>282275679>I hate when the official side does itIt's not even your fucking manga, you are just adapting it, what the fuck is this level of hypocrisy?
>>282275849>>282275867>>282275883You are likely confusing Japanese TV stations increased restrictions with the Liberal Democratic prime ministers that were in charge of Japan. Seemingly, the real blame falls on nonpartisan activists who may have used the Tokyo Olympics (if 2020 is viewed as the start of a censorship wave) to pressure TV stations to put restrictions on fiction.Besides just nonpartisan activists, Japanese political parties like the JCP and the SDP support the banning of erotic loli. They want Japan to be in alignment with occasional United Nations' recommendations. Furthermore, the politically progressive have been globally inheriting ideas and beliefs from SWERFs (sex worker exclusionary radical feminists).The following article focuses on the JCP's 2024 attempt to ensure adult magazines that treat "women as sexual objects," including manga magazines, are banned from stores and compiled into a report to the UN:https://boundingintocomics.com/manga/japanese-communist-party-seeking-to-file-formal-united-nations-complaint-regarding-manga-featuring-sexy-female-characters/Search TV stations' names on 4chan /a/ archive site, desuarchive. Non-premium/historically terrestrial broadcast (radio wave) TV stations like TV Tokyo and TV Asahi have become stricter throughout the decades. Premium/historically satellite TV stations like AT-X (a branch of TV Tokyo) and BS11 have been far less strict. So as activists fought for increased restrictions, the non-premium/broadcast TV stations got hit harder.Lastly, global concerns like market access to Xi Jinping's China or other strict markets are influential. Specifically for China, look at gachas in that region vs others. Consistently, in regard to sexual content, the versions for the CCP's China have to censor bikinis, cleavage, breast size, and visibility of panties. When anime (and less likely manga) is made with localizations in mind, the makers will uaually self-censor and comply with restrictions in advance.
>>282275679>We will just turn the characters flat and make them look like they are 11 years old all the time in the anime, since we removed a bath scene no one is going to look at it and say it's pedophilic and totally won't appeal to a 95% otaku audience anymore.Honestly, It's amazing the level of dissonance between this interview and reality.
>>282276359I think S2 has a new director thankfully.
>>282275679 CSM won
>>282278498CSM not only removed all ecchi, it removed all personality from it.
>>282275740How comically misleading the title is.
>>282278173so it's a show about autistic roommates who don't do anything in particular together besides split rebnt? Do they at least do observational humor together? Otherwise it sounds like it's a show about...nothing.
>>282278447I mean, the producer will remain the same, though ultimately Bocchi has so little fanservice to begin with in the it barely matters
>>282275679Dismissive.Here's the thing about your characters' sexuality: You can define it or your audience will define it for you. You ever notice how popular series with little to no sexual development get a lot of doujins: Touho, love live, Idolm@aster. But shows that have a lot of sexual development get comparatively few doujins: Seitokai Yakuindomo, Gushing over magical girls, High School DxD?That's not just filling demand, after all, SYD has only sexual humor with nothing explicit outside of dialogue. No, what's going on is that the author has defined the characters' sexuality, leaving less for the imagination. Thus, less for the audience to build up the sexuality of the characters.She can say "Bocchi doesn't need it." but how that turns out is the author saying "I'm not defining it. You define it."
>>282279503>nothing explicit outside of dialogueand props (and some occasional sex positions with pictogram characters).
