Hope hours.
>>285930012Early, but I always welcome a DenReze thread.
My beloved Miss Mitaka <3 chu chu chu~
>making a thread when there's no new chapter
>>285930585Lurk more.
>>285930413>>285930012I do not like RezeDen. I like AsaDen.
>>285930639That's okay, I respect your side too.
>>285930012Good OP.
>>285930614Do better
>>285930012>Handsex, cum, sweaty stinky femcel, tongue kissing, lip biting and sucking, dry humping, non con, “I’ll cook for you”I love part 2 I don’t care what you say
>>285930684Yoru-sama...
>>285930714@grok, make them all look like Asa
>>285930750
>wanting a blond boy but you live in Japan
>>285930684Asa's feelings must've been overflowing into Yoru like crazy.
>>285930832>Asa's feelingsI still subscribe to the theory that Yoru is the source of the feelings and she's influencing Asa.
>>285930815>No himbo hunky white blond boy to hold me at night
>>285930882Asa is pure...
>got called a twunk
>>285930903>>No himbo hunky white blond boyI need to go to Japan and be a summer boyfriend for a lucky girl
>>285930882Why would a Devil feel anything towards a random human boy she just met?
>>285930974She's tsun for Pochita.
>>285930953That post about a himbo hunky blond boy reminded me of when I was hanging out with a bunch of people at the age of 15 and some gay guy called me a twunk because I was a twink with a handsome face
I flipped a coin for whether or not I keep the Asa/Yoru train going.
>>285931095...and your reaction plus a Cutesa got a smile out of me but I wasn't trying to be funny!!
>Asa imageI zabe
If Asa looked exactly the same, but was a guy, I'd get a boner.
>>285931142Rex...
>>285931142A fellow Fire Punch fan, I see
>>285931142If you genderbent part 2 it'd be quite good. A dorky self conscious coward of a boy gets mixed up with an evil devil that acts on his behalf. Denji would be a mess of a girl. The scenes where male Yoru fingerblasts fem Denji would be an amazing read, I wonder how twitter and Reddit would take it.
>>285931205>us girls have to shlick lots, isn't that right, gals?
>>285931205>I wonder how...Reddit would take itThey'd cry rape and ban all discussion of the chapter, but enough about that faggy website.
>>285931142There's a schizo who is obsessed with boy Asa, he is gay but posts about being Asa's girlfriend.
>>285931233Unhibited cocklust that reminds her of the Yakuza days>>285931242CHLOE SEX CHLOE SEX WHY CANT I GO ON NSFW REDDITS FOR CHLOE SEXOOOOO WHAT A KEK WEBSITE
>>285931242>ChloeDo not post that here. This is a cunny free zone. There are no cute and funny characters in CSM.
I am imagining the girlcum on M!Yoru's fingers this very instant.
>>285931393I'd love his silly faces and how much of a cocky idiot he'd be.
>>285931781And I a male Famine
>>285931816This is what will happen at the end of the series.
>>285931781>>285931793I want to be a male Kobeni!
>>285932214>Proof? Wha..? >Why? Looks, personality?He's an awkward loser like me, but in a cute loving way, not in a autistic school shooter way like me
>>285932357but anon, the only difference between the two is a few bad days
>>285931816She would not have been able to refuse Denji's offer to run away if they had actually kissed in that scene. Their hormones would've immediately kicked in, instantly overriding her logical and rational thought process.
>>285932214I look like Famine and my personality is not so far from hersThough I'm more like Asa really
Whats the point of using 4chan? Everyone only posts the same demoralizing garbage
>>285930974She said it herself that she gets wet watching faces contorted in pain and suffering.
I didn't really feel much when I watched the movie. It was a nice spectacle, but I don't care about Reze.
>>285931205It would be an interesting social experiment to see if anyone would try to defend a girl who abandoned her little sister to get raped and dismembered because she really really wanted some dick in her vagina, and then immediately put her death behind her because she still had a chance to get some dick inside her vagina.
>>285932593those are Asa's feelings stacking onto her Devil nature
>>285932593Proving once again that she'd go for hard pegging.
Weird choices of poats to remove, but anyways.I would love to see a male Power, he qould be such a nice fujobait
>>285932631Same. I couldn't care about her since so much of her was fake and some of it being real was a shitty twist.
Total Horsemen Happiness
Alive and well
Are we thinking the fight officially ended now?
>>285932991Fujimoto's with bad writing? No, it continues on. And bad writing is winning.
>>285932980I don't say this often, but: Sexyuta
>>285930012I rabu /csm/
>>285932889Yeah, the twist wasn't telegraphed too well. It came as a shock to me, like out of left field.
>>285930684Based beyond belief
>>285932991Yes. The situation deescalated and Yoru is tame now.
>>285933019rabu you too anon
>>285933019You're just saying that...Omigosh he's affirming my values!
>they think Yoru lost
>>285933086Give kobenners her pantsu back!
>>285933007
>>285933103Yoru will cause ww3 and you WILL like it
>>285933145Yeahhh I'm thinking she would've been eager to help Denji with his problems if he only told her about it
>>285933124What does that mean?
>>285933124I hate Reze so much it's unreal. I am not mentally ill but when I see that fake cutesy act it makes my blood boil.
>>285933199Reze did nothing wrong
>>285933220Except leading Denji on. Oh, all those innocent people she killed. She's a villain. You're an evil woman lover, like you're a yorufag or a makimafag.
>>285933198It's a parody of that gif with Miku and Reimu.
I want to look like Asa. I’ve lost 30 pounds in 3 months. I’ve been working my ass off at the gym. I’m getting compliments on my physique for the first time since highschool. I don’t have the heart to tell anyone that I want to lose 30 more pounds and shed the muscle so I can be a femboy stick that cosplays an anime character.
Which CSM girl would be into an effeminate guy haha
>>285933244Humanity is the villain, actually. They literally and figuratively made her
>>285933326Yuko. Maybe Himeno.
>>285933339>HumanityCommunists aren't people.She has free will and chose to kill all those people. She had enough free will to hold off on killing Denji for a week and then try to runaway with him. She threw a tantrum when he rejected her, at least Yoru's tantrums make sense because she's a high level devil.
>>285933363Would Yuko grow her hair out to floor length if I asked
>>285933403Human politics don't apply to fiends/hybrids/devils. Her mission, given by humanity, came first. She was brainwashed but love made her almost regain her (lost) free will
Yoru should reincarnate as a son for Asa, as opposed to Denji getting a daughter imo
>>285933195>Makima gives Denji unconditional apathy>he kills her>Nayuta gives Denji unconditional love>he prioritizes getting booty over her safety, even if it's likely rushing over the second he could wouldn't have changed the result>Conquest 3 gives him unconditional hate>Denji ignores her completely
Asa needs more panel time
Asa is boring. In a series where the main characters all have unique designs, she is just a Japanese girl. It worked for Aki because he was the straight man of the group.
>>285933623Asa is the straight girl of CSM world though
>>285933623She should have been a bit uglier and a bit fatter.
>>285933658She hasn't been for several years.
>>285933686Why
Denji deserves Control devil imho
>>285933714>fatterBig ass, tits, and thighs>uglierSo her being a femcel makes more sense. She's too pretty to be such a loser.
>>285933739Control devil doesn't deserve him
True love always finds a way.
>>285931242
>>285933746She does. She's the type of woman he likes the most anyway.
>>285933475>Her mission, given by humanity, came first.Then she should have erased him in the phone booth instead of jerking him around. I understand wanting to tease him because he's kinda handsome but his party trick should be enough of a to give the ick. She exhibited free will and wasn't an order taking zombie. Typhoon seemed to be mellow about everything despite watching everything.
>>285933804But Denji isn't the type of man she loves
Soon
>>285933983That duality is what makes Reze great. She ended up being more human than the people around her
>>285931205>Twitter RedditIf Denji had a devil persona that acted sexually toward Asa, all of /csm/ would have a meltdown over ntr.
>>285934145>all of /csm/ would have a meltdown over ntrYes. I am Denji and all women in csm belong to me.
How does it feel to be inside of D̶e̶n̶j̶i̶ chainsaw man?
>>285934174I doubt she'd remember. But Asa might know since she used Denji's stomach for teleportation
>>285934014What a shame, but fr Fatty should let Conquest 3 love him cause poor guy still loves that woman to the end of the world after all
>285934308He didn't love her enough, see Nayuta's death
Should break weeks be made illegal?
>>285933992My beloved ...in colour.So pale...with such lovely blue eyes...wuv wuv wuv your halfu features ~
>>285933686You have Yuko for that
>>285934145It’s funny how the female character in that situation gets treated like an SA victim but a male character in that same situation would 100% be branded a cuck.
>>285930012A reminder that everyone who thinks Reze isn’t coming back has negative IQ. Only retards think her not returning like the other useless hybrids (whether in the Chainsaw Man Church or Public Safety) and her whereabouts being kept a mystery just like Kishibe’s means nothing. Only scholars who actually pick up on the story’s clues know she’s probably working with Kishibe.She IS coming back, and she IS going to break the internet!!!
>>285934623Men are not women, y’r’tard. Some people can tell them apart!
>>285934623It's a shounen, girls fighting for the protagonist is acceptable.
I don't ship this but Asa looked nice.
Asa next chapter hopefully.
I want to finger and fuck Denji
Everything I find is ooc, rarely people draw lore accurate Asa.
>>285934732I don’t think they can
>>285934887Imagine how cheesy his cock is
So many readers misunderstood the last chapter, thinking Yoru cares about Asa.
>>285934965Yoru cares about herself. Asa is like a cute squirrel that lives on her property.
>>285934965How did they get that from it?It clearly means that Yoru cares about Bucky
>>285934926Lore accurate Asa was a dull, bitchy loner that only recently started to open up, so I'm not surprised.
>>285935058Asa was repressed, and lot of the times silenced by Yoru. I still liked her at that time, funny idiot sort of cute girl.
Is there one of these memes with Asa and Denji except Yoru is getting railed in the bottom right panel instead?
I've had an internal stye for over a week... it's already draining pus, but I have to constantly wipe it away from my eye
>>285934999Yoru doesn't think that about Asa, they're pretty distant now. Asa thought they are friends before Aging Devil arc.
"Even after what she did to me, I still like Ms Makima..."
>>285935206Wholesome
>>285935204Rodents tend to become food for the hungry. Whether beast or predator…
>>285935239I do get the feeling like Asa is dying in the next chapter.
>>285935190It will get better soon, take some rest and stay clean.
>>285935190Stop eating ass
>>285934693Only to job to Asaru
>>285934146Hey, it's another ghost!
>AsaruThread ruined
>>285935390We do NOT make fun of our lord and savior Aki Hayakawa, chud.
>>285935190lol
>>285935455nta. It's a very old ritual post, Anons used to share music links to each other whenever that Aki image was posted. Obviously most of the original posters in /csm/ are gone and replaced so it's no longer thread culture.
Part 2 but better
>>285935455Was referring to the poster, not the character. Mr. 6.jpg is a veteran that hasn't been around in a minute.
>>285931816If that happened, Reze wouldn't resist and would run away with Denji.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY2mm2fhN50
>>285935528Even if it happened by accident?
>>285933623This. Asafags will never understand that even with all the screen time she gets, she'll never be as popular as Denji, Aki, Power, Reze, Makima, etc. Her design and personality are very boring, especially compared to other characters with striking designs and personalities; she's simply not a flashy or marketable character.>It worked for Aki because he was the straight man of the groupShow more respect for Aki when comparing him to Asa; his topknot, his sword, his powers, and his edgy personality make him a truly memorable character, unlike her. It's no wonder he already won a character poll.
Despair
Where did Fuji go so wrong with Asa
>>285933765ALWAYS
Why does nobody like Makima?
>>285935824I think the issue was trying to make her a deuteragonist alongside Denji. He should've either made her the sole MC of part 2 or not introduced her at all. Instead he's basically done nothing with her character for the vast majority of the story so she feels like a waste of panel time.
>>285935877I'm nobody
>>285935824giving up on the different perspective shtick and going all in on Denji again I guessi get the feeling i'll be left wanting more when she dies, like with most other characters but it don't matter, none of this matters
>>285935496It's crazy to think that just having Reze in Denji's life in Part 2 would solve half of his problems.
CSM a shit
>>285935965
>>285935794I was speaking from a strictly visual standpoint. Aki doesn't stand out as much as anyone else in the P1 cast. At least not the main characters, because Kobeni is rather plain as well.
>>285935728Yeah, even if it's an "accident"
Chappy when?
Read MAD.
>>285936062Even if we only consider his design, he's really cool; he has a mysterious, edgylord character vibe that's appealing in itself.
>>28593616717th
>>285936197Objectively speaking the best written character in the whole series with the most tragic, memorable and impactful death btw. He didn't rely on gimmicks such as having hybrid immortality or devil reincarnation to brute force his way into the plot again.
>>285936211FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU...
>>285936327He was a good character. I wonder if Makima planned to have him love Power and Denji.
>>285934693All in due time, bab.
>>285936483She planned for them to become a family from the beginning just to kill them and mind break Denji to break his contract with Pochita, so yeah. They were marked for death from the start, sadly.
>>285936177Might as well. The ecchi manga I read aren't getting updates for a bit either.
Asa post before sleep
>>285930012You know what time it is. It's that time again.
>>285936500I BELIEVE
Will Bucky ever return as a fiend?
>>285937302I'll always believe.
>>285937494He's this guy
>>285937533DON'T STOP BELIEVIN'HOLD ON TO THAT FEELINGWHOA WHOA WHOA
>>285937614Will Asa marry him to atone for her crime with him?
>>285935496>>285935950Still need Barem to try to tear everything apart. Need conflict to make me cherish the moments of peace.
>This is your boss nowHow fucked are you?
>>285937890She’d never fuck me
Was he right?
>>285934460I basically realized the thing I look forward the most to daily is the chappy.
My beautiful wife, Makima
Passionate unprotected reunion sex.
>>285939267What if she gets pregnant haha like with twins or triplets haha
reze cucks are so annoying, Fuji need to hurry up and end part 2 quickly so these worms can just wiggle in doom of not ever seeing their irrelevant whore again.
>>285939350Ignore this guy's message, Rezefriends.Post about her as much as you desire
chapper tomorrow or what
>>285935931That's the point where I'm at. But I don't wish for more from who is already gone. You're right, none of this matters, doesn't matter at all.
Reze and Nayuta soon.
>>285939397Sir, Yes Sir
>>285939336Wouldn't that be nice.>>285939397Always do anyway; the more they seethe, the more I want to post anyway.
>>285939579my heart melts every time my beloved wife stares at me like this.
>>285936327THIS. Denji might reunite with Reze, Power, and Nayuta again somehow, but never with Aki.
>>285940034Yeah, that's the part that burns. He was willing to give up on revenge too. Humans die, that makes me think Asa will die permanently as she's the only human prominent character right now.
>>285936500I know, but it's been so many years and I'm afraid Fujimoto won't make Reze's return as epic as we imagine.
>>285940119At least he resisted the urge to bring her back and then have Yoru fuck her shit up.
>>285937302>>285937533>>285937635I'm scared, bros, I don't want our belief to be in vain.
>>285940034>Denji befriends devils because they're the only friends he can't truly losedepressing
>>285940250>>285940119It doesn't have to be dramatic and intense. It can just be a quiet moment of happiness, just mutual love in a pure form. That's good enough for me.
>>285939267Their sex would be so full of love, desire, and longing for each other.
>>285940177In a dating sim setting I'd expect Yoru to confidently call Reze her daughter and Reze would play along with it...
>>285940321>good enoughThat sounds ideal, in fact. Personally I don't want her returning during the current boring, overdrawn fight.
>>285940374It would be the unironic definition of making love.
>>285939397I wonder why the Makimafriends get along so well with the Rezechads.
>>285940079Yeah, Fujimoto needs the good old shock value of his manga, so I can see Asa dying, especially if you realize that since she's human, her death would be permanent.
>>285940410Because Makimafriends aren't insufferably attacking every other girl at first sight.
>>285937533Me too, I'll never lose faith in her.
>>285940462Just stab Denji in the head, I'm not sure how much more of this he can take. His last crash out almost ended him if it wasn't for Asa.
>>285940462I don't think Denji would be able to recover from Asa's death. He literally turned into black CSM just from witnessing Yoshida's death, a character I'd hardly ever call his "friend". If Asa were to die in front of him, that'd break him spiritually and psychologically to the point he'd want to just kill himself and end it all once and for all.
>>285940177Maybe this is a hoax:Fujimoto made Yoru so stupid that she forgot to summon Bomb Devil (one of her children), and Reze would probably be in trouble if she did.Perhaps Fujimoto wanted to spare Reze since involving her in this arc would practically kill her off permanently, and he wouldn't be able to use her in a future arc.
STUPID DOG
>>285940410I assume it's partly because Makima doesn't have the baggage of shipping wars.About this, were there people earnestly shipping MakiDen back then, hoping that Denji would manage to "fix" her or something?
>>285940410Because Makimafriends dont ship Makima with anyone but themselves.While others brutally maul eachother over which girl should end up with denji, Makimafriends remain autarchic beings beyond such conflicts and squabbles.
>>285940321I agree, but let's be honest: their reunion isn't going to be all lovey-dovey; there's a lot of drama and emotional tension between them.
>>285941444For the nth time, no one expects it to be. It's going to be a whole arc of figuring each other (and themselves) out, starting over from the people they are now.
yuko!
>>285940394>That sounds idealPerhaps that's the point: Denreze breaks the "ideal." They are perfect for each other, but the world always keeps them apart. I think their reunion will be far from perfect; they'll have to go through a lot to get their "happy ending."
>>285941300Are you saying you're upset with Denji because he can cuck you with Conquest?
>>285940401Yeah, it would be the purest thing in the world.
>Thinking Reze/Power/Kishibe/Nayuta/Kobeni will return>In 2026Delusional.
>>285941827>>285940401
>>285941827All women in a harem are gonna be a bit chaky on the fact that there are other women, but their man is such a man that they won’t be able to even imagine themselves happier any other way.
Reading Part 2 is a torture.
>>285940938>>285941017Maybe that’s the point: to take absolutely everything and everyone left away from Denji. If I’m not mistaken, Fujimoto once said that one of Part 2’s themes was isolation, so Asa’s death would fully bring that feeling out, while Part 3’s theme might be "rebuilding bonds".Who knows? All I know is you should never doubt Fujimoto when it comes to making Denji miserable
>>285940463>>285941122>>285941300I think you guys didn’t get my point: Makimabros don’t have a fight SPECIFICALLY with Rezebros. They might fight Denjibros, Powerbros, Asafags, Yorufags, etc. but never the RezeChads.
Gamer Makima
>>285942356Dumb Kima poster.
>>285942624Which Horsefu would be the best at vidya gaems?
>>285942356Smart Kima poster.
>>285941577Scholar
>>285942663Nayut but Yoru would be more competitive
>>285942707At gachas? Famine.At actual games? Death.Obviously War is the worst at every genre.
>>285942707Nayuta would be the best at it for sure.
>>285942729
>>285942624Man I wish I would play some gsg with Makima. I would give my sweet angel to control my realm with iron but fair fist and deadly gaze, while I would commit war crimes against t*rks and saracens without worry, knowing that my kingdom is in good hands.>>285942707Conquest, of course. Is that even a question?
>>285940034He's gonna claim the #1 spot again once the Gun Devil arc gets adapted. I can see it happening and I'm gonna cry like a bitch. I really miss Aki dude this manga really needs other male characters that are actually worth giving a shit about.
God I love Makima
>>285942356This
>>285943089You have to be an actual retard with retardation to think this way.
>>285943121...he said, smelling his own fingers between keystrokes
>>285943089Part 2 trannies hated this one.
Best girls ranking:1) Reze2) Himeno3) Makima4) Quanxi + her gang5) All the restNo Nayuta and Power because they're in the bratty little sisters ranking.
>>285943089this is what your brain looks like on shonen
>>285942906>I really miss Aki dude this manga really needs other male characters that are actually worth giving a shit about.Yeah, why doesn’t Fujimoto let Denji have a male friend besides Aki? (the GOAT of this manga btw). Why does he have to be surrounded only by women who may or may not kill him? Hell, even if it’s just an enemy or a rival, why does Denji only interact with women in Part 2?And no, Yoshida doesn’t count
>enter a phone booth>even have a beer>Reze doesn't show upBros...
>>285930684The Horsemen all seem to be some extreme level of crazy girlfriend. I can't wait to see Fami fall to pieces because you don't show how much you love the meal she cooked.
>>285943491Denji will love his girls all the same.
>>285943089And now we can add Yoru being one of the most disappointing shounen villain ever made to the list. Barem fits the role much better than her.
Powy SSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEXXXXXXXXXX!!!
>>285943089do shonenmongs really?
>>285943261>>285943947Are part2 trannies now pretending that CSM isn’t a shonen manga? KEKAROO
I wonder why most rezeposters love shipping their queen with denji so much. 99% of their fanart is shipping related stuff while the other waifufags usually want their waifus for themselves.
>>285944079I like both (shipping her with Denji or as waifu with me). I felt the same for Mikasa x Ereh
choose one
>>285933509Pochita is going to erase the devil devil and the horsemen are going to be reincarnated as Denji's and Asa's daughters
>>285944245the dragon
KOOOBEEENIIII
>>285944226Pretty much this
>>285944226>I felt the same for Mikasa x ErehI still wonder what the author wanted to accomplish with those two characters. I'm not an AoT fan but from my understanding, Mikasa was pretty much served on a silver platter for the MC since day one and yet he never truly showed any interest in her until the very last chapters? Like, it just comes outta nowhere at the very end, which resulted in one of the most infamous manga pages ever made with Eren saying the "No, I don't want that!" line to Armin.
>>285944459Eren had showed some limited interest but every time they got cockblocked before fucking. Then Eren becomes too emo to care anymore.
>>285944459the erencuck moment is what he wanted to accomplish.
>>285944079Reze has a canon love interest from which she was tragically taken away, just as she was about to reunite with him and dispel the notion that she had never loved him.On the other side, he still considers her one of his loved ones, no matter everything that happened and all the time that has passed.People want a happy ending for them, especially after the reveal at the end of Part 1 that she wasn't dead for good.
>>285944459I think the author is simply emotionally stunted, incapable of writing romanceHe probably wanted to but didn't know how, he panicked at the end and shoved it in
>>285944245love halloween like there's no tomorrow but man touching those flapping organs would swiftly kill a boner
>>285944079I deny the premise
>>285944079>I wonder why most rezeposters love shipping their queen with denji so much. 99% of their fanart is shipping related stuff while the other waifufags usually want their waifus for themselves.Because the romance with Denji is an integral part of what shapes her as a character. Their love is something pure in a world that's fucked beyond measure. Watching it blossom is beautiful thing I'd love to see.
>>285944614Is she in Transylvania?
Asaru reconciliation soon
When is she coming back?
>>285944751Unfortunately she's too OP for her own good so the only way to make sure the CSM universe doesn't get nuked into oblivion is by not having her present in the story at all.
>>285944751I miss her dorky hat
>>285944646...or not
>>285944614eurojank snek
i would let yoru suck my d, but not asa. she is too pure.
>>285945216I don't get it?
Is Fuji targeting the femcel audience with Asa?
>>285945292too pure.yoru gets the d.
>>285945309the femcels noped out with the handjob
>>285945245Power's suffering is amusing
>>285945340I see, Power was sitting in a state of desiring forgiveness, but sitting like that made her foot hurt, so she had to get up and jump around to relieve the pain in her foot, reminding Makima of a ballerina. I am so smart!
>>285945309no. asa is very obviously fuji's intended girlfriend for denji. through yoru, in effect she's depicted as having contradicting, nonsensical, and emotionally dishonest desires, as-is typical of a real woman. this sort of character is not at all fujo-coded and is meant to appeal to the male audience.if fuji wanted the fujo audience, he'd have some daddy-coded older looking male with virtually zero faults who inexplicably takes interest in a literal-nothing-of-a-female-character who is effectively treated like a dependent he fucks.
>>285945453meh. Literally any other girl he made is more appealing than Asa. Completely bland
we love Cosmo here
>>285945528she starts bland but learns what's important enough for her to claim as desires through being thrust into life or death situations by yoru. asa is actually a pretty cool character with some modest development through the course of p2.
I think Asa is the most realistic female character in manga
>>285945507
>>285945772No woman will ever feel the unconditional love that Asa feels for Denji
>>285945804What did I win, Asa?
>>285945603Much like a war that starts cold yet explodes into something world-shaking
>>285945938A quick death.
part 2 should culminate in a false-victory where denji seems to defeat yoru, then gets to have sex with asa, but secretly it's yoru trying to turn denji into a weapon through sex.given that it's fujimoto, it will probably be an awkward/aborted sex scene where denji tragically kills a nude-bodied asa and denji remains forever alone. "tune in next time for part 3, idiots!"
>>285945528>meh. Literally any other girl he made is more appealing than Asa.>*Asa appears*>And the crowd goes mild! >Aki and the rest of Public Safety: Where's Miss Makima?>Denji: I love Reze!>The fans: I love Reze, Makima, and Pawa!
>>285946045Ok then.
Asa post when waking up
>>285945254>no pitsGay earth
One day until new chappy!
>>285946921Fuck you for posting this, my heart rate started rising.
And it's a break week chuddy, new chapter on 17th
>>285946960what a sissy
>>285947024
>>285946921I have Asa but real somewhere on my phone
>>285947089Asa only works on paper. Not even Anime Asa is superior
Anon you want to see Asa irl? Just look into the mirror, you blockhead!
>>285945528I think you just have a kink for whores and criminals ngl. Bet you feel inspired by Denji because he's just like you.
>>285944700>blossomThe bud was nipped.They never had a chance to be in love, only fall. Denji's a shell of his former self and Reze is MIA.
>>285945453>fujo>straight shipsBro.
Question for CSM people.It turns out I did actually watch all of season 1. I don't quite remember how it ended so I'd have to remind myself, but was there any content other than that before the movie, or do I go right into movie?
>168 hours until new chappy.
>>285946071Is that what the voices say?>Denji: I love Reze!Last time he said who he loved it was Makima.
>>285947276You read the manga. Start with chapter 1.
>>285947276Only compilation films of S1, if you have already saw the anime then you can watch the movie without any issue.
>>285947199I like most female characters in CSM. Himeno, Makima, and the GOAT Reze to name a few.I'm just surprised fuji wrote such an unappealing character like Asa when he's shown over and over again how good he is at writing good ones.
>>285947276I watched anime+movie, then moved on to the manga from chapter 52 I think
>>285947341>>285947404Reading ahead makes the anime impossible for me to enjoy. I need to read read it after if anything.
>>285934887
>>285947383Different opinion but I don't care for those girls or Denji. Now I'm only intrigued with Asa and Yoru dynamics and the future of their relationship tbhonest.Just opinion, you're not obliged to agree.
>>285947395Goon goon goon
>>285947395yoru is hotter than asa and probably gives unreal head.denji couldn't even last 5 panels against her hand.
Big Reze
>>285947462>this reaction .gif reminds me of some cringe shit I did a few months back.>I mean it's all over now, but... still... Holy cringe!
>>285947285PAIN is coming soon. It can turn CSM manga into bi-weekly and monthly or even yearly. It loves eating (you) suffering, fear, trauma and nuclear bombs. Pretty much only Lady Death KoT forma can return the mango to weekly now.
Fuji is only motivated to draw Fami; since she stopped appearing, the breakweeks have returned.
i'm fearless, i'm going to post a raw take that could get me pretty much canceled from most places on the internet but:makima is sexually attractive
>>285947239I know this is absolutely retarded but I always thought Yoru was way more physically attractive than Asa. Like she's way prettier, has a better bod, slimmer, longer and finer limbs, and is way more stylish. Like maybe Yoru is the Asa Asa wants to be...
>>285948020>canceled from most places on the internetMe out of nowhere
kobeni is the worst
>>285947806She looks hot in the Public Safety uniform.
>>285948214stop getting snot in my god damn burger!
>>285944245No Cosmo, no life
Makima this. Yoru that. Muh Reze. I only like women with big boobs. I sacrifice all CSMfags balls (except me) in this thread. Pain Devil, please save Falling from Yoru. If Falling mommy wasn't nerfed by LiL D, she would have never lost to that small boobs femcel.
>>285948482I offered all the contracts made in this general to the harem devil
>>285948123>Yoru is quick fuck material. Asa is marriage material.The opposite. I'd rather have an easy to read frisky, but dumb, wife than a depressive one where you never know what you did wrong and has a criticism for every single thing you do. Yoru is evil but you can work around that.
>>285947937>>285948482end your pathetic life kbs
>>285948563Asa is still a teenager she can easily be made into a bitch it’s easy she’s so groomable it’s almost as if
>>285930012Is Makima perfect?
>so many Asa images I can't even find the best image of her
>>285948643Um...No?
>>285948643She was until Nayuta ruined her legacy. Nayuta should have been just as unapologetically horrible and ruin Denji even more.
>>285948653Asa's best silly faces
>>285948643Why did you cutoff the gif before it shows her butt?
>>285947204Yeah, hence why I'd love to see it actually happen.
Work with me. Part III: Makima Power fusion as the big bad
>>285948618Based groomer>>285948123God I wish I looked like that so bad
>>285948653
Yoru need to win the denjib owl
Next is Asa's normal life arc with post-traumatic stress and violent outbursts
>>285949170It's unlikely to. Reze's role in the story is over and unless Denji is completely broken by Asa's obvious tragic death I can't see Reze coming back.
Where is she? Is she safe?
>>285949468in an alternate universe Denji is saying that to Yoru
>>285944079Reze wants Denji, and we want Reze to be happy.It's really very simple.
>>285947154All she needs is an Adam’s apple
>>285947154>every woman Denji gets involved in is at least a 9>Asa is a 6, maybe a 7 on a good day
>>285945453>fuji's intended girlfriend for denji>Denji would rather go after prostitutes than be with her.>Denji would rather have sex with Yoru than be with her>Denji would rather have sex with Fumiko than be with her.>Denji would rather keep thinking about how much he loves Reze than be with her.Asabro...
>>285945928She literally prefers a dove to him.
>>285950103Asa’s a 9 for a trans woman
>>285950297Way to misread the scene. Reze is someone he loved that disappeared on him. He wasn't thinking at all about her in the end despite thinking about Makima.
>>285950032>Reze wants DenjiBig assumption.
>>285949368blehhh
>>285950631> He wasn't thinking at all about her in the end despite thinking about MakimaAnd who was he thinking of when he was remembering the people he LOVED???Exactly, REZE, not MAKIMA.
>>285950765
>>285950765Makima didn't leave him, he booted her out. He made a conscious decision to make her leave. It's very different. Reze left his life by rejecting him, telling him it was all fake, and standing him up. As far as he knows Reze left of her own volition. I admit Denji had a sneaky high EQ moment noticing Reze was full of shit at the beach but we're not ready to have that conversation.
Would Asa like Vegemite?
>>285950853Holy slop art style
Im sure glad the Fujimoto-san is so diligent. I cant wait to read the new chapter tomorrow
Chainsaw Man volume 23 is this week's best-selling volume. You can see the release dates for the volumes on the right.
https://youtu.be/Gz-fYWDRubk
>>285948643No, of course. None are perfect. But I still love my sweet angel as she is.
https://youtu.be/5txYYSo0jWsAsa Harris and Yuko Klebold
>>285951563Doombros!!?!?!?!?! YOU SAID CHENSO IS FLOPPING
What is CSM's most kino art piece
>>285951706>>285951563
>>285951712That pic with kima bean wearing a burger king crown on an airplane
>>285930684basedased
>>285943491Fami seems like the type that'd draft her suicide note if left on read for more than 4 minutes.
>>285951563BSEDBASEDBASEDI ALWAYS BELIEVED IN MY MAN FUJIMOTOI LET HIM COOKHE COOKED SHIT BUT I LIKE THE RESTAURANTJK I LOVE EVERYTHING PT2 IS MAGICAL
>>285952143more like shed plan your fucking death if left on read. shes entitled as fuck and thinks VERY highly of herself.
>>285952143>>285952174She's fucking perfect, that's what.
>>285952247'Business in the front and party in the back' haircut.
>>285950765It's not worth it man, they'll ignore any facts. They love each other, that's just the facts.
>>285952304>They loved each otherfify
>>285952174Those types are easy to dick around. Just gotta be willing to get a little dick spit on her skirt if ya know what I am saying
>>285941885>implying shitji can cuck anyone at all, least of all conquest
>>285952858*with conquest
>>285952836This scene fills me with so much anger. I can't wait until it's revealed Reze is out and enjoying life with no intention of interacting with Denji again.
>>285952858conquest has been some major whore throughout csm though
>>285952899Other way around bub. She was a decent meal he had. He was the best part of her life aside from Makimers
>>285952899hoes mad. reze literally wouldn't have minded to have done it
>>285941885I'm convinced Conquest is gonna be white hot pissed that she gave him unconditional love and let him control her only to be betrayed while Yoru beats him off.
>>285952934I don't think Reze would have enjoyed being under Makima's control. I'm no scholar though.
Reze's unspoken rizz
>>285952899lmao you fucking wish, there's literally no chance that happens. Dread it, recoil away if you must, her return is inevitable, and so is her love.
>>285952909Such conquest slander shall not be tolerated
Good night /csm/, I love you allExcept for that one fag, you know the one.
>>285953098>Except for that one fag, you know the one.That's not very nice. I just don't agree with you. No bad blood.
>>285953139bro really put the target on himself lmao
>>285952963Can you bring me down Back up
>>285953236I wish Denji went on vacation with Makima so Makima could show Reze the photos!
>>285953211I was called out so I needed to defend myself.
>>285953348I would've been her friend BC I hugged and talked with everyone
>>285953098Good night bab, xoxo
>>285953343She has to sniff the fingertips first and notice le stillness >>285953348I would’f used my rizz to make a bitch outta her. I am a bigger dick now then i was in those days…
>>285953401I only hugged women
>>285953442>The only women I've hugged are my sisters. It does feel good. How did you convince random girls?They asked me. I'm pretty darn cute. I miss being surrounded by cute young girls all the time, now I just rot in my room. I wish I had an Asa gf, that's all I want from life.
>>285953478Girls like Asa are moved by big dreamers
>>285952304She hasn't seen him in a minute. He was younger and a bit of an ottermode twink when her arc happened. Now he's taller and thicker, he's put on height and muscle.
>>285953494Tis like the black clover guy. They were impoverished and starving, now they got bread.
>>285953492Real? Like guys with big ambition? Cool.>>285953478Damn imagine bein that cute. That doesn't sound like something that happens where I'm from. People are weird about touching others here.
>>285953492I have little ambition...>>285953532Well it doesn't happen anymore, but I bumped into a few girls in Japan by accident and they didn't seem to mind.
>>285953564I will have SEX with women in Japan and they won't seem to mind.
Where is drawbab? Is he still here?
>>285953442How many men have you hugged?>>285953341I don’t want to be a woman, faggot. I just want to be a beautiful, smooth skinned, big tittied, bubble butt femboy.
>>285952174so far there's no indication that fami is anything but a full autist devil.
>>285953564Feed your ambition until it grows mildly bulimic
>>285953657>Feed your ambition until it grows mildly bulimicThe only ambition I have is a wife and children (Preferably with Miss Mitaka or the closest I can get to her)>>285953629Aryan + autism...she's just like me...
>>285951563
>>285953780I hope he gets voiced by Koyasu
>>285952987>Reze:"Hey~">Denji:"You are a pretty female so I forgive you for every transgression you have ever committed to anyone and for breaking my heart. Please give me attention again."You guys have your head in the clouds if you think everything will just be cool.
>>285953841I unironically do this (as long as the betrayal isn't so bad)
>>285953841He literally did that at the beach already, including the "I'd rather be killed by a beautiful woman" bit. lol
canon art...
>>285953894My belovedddddddd
If the human host/vessel body is killed the Devil inside will appear, if the Devil is killed, human body takes over the Devil's power. Asa is "alive" for the sake of her contract, while Yoru is dying. Similarly in last arc, when Denji kills the FSM, Fire Devil who was inside his body appeared, so I think we're about to see War Devil separate from Asa, to let Asa die, but the contract Yoru made with Asa is still in effect so it will fail and make Asa the new War Devil, and Yoru will be considered dead but her consciousness will be one with Asa.
>>285953924This was before standing him up and he's kinda changed since.
>>285953946I hope your eye is not hurting anymore.
>>285953979My eye?! I was sick so I appreciate the concern nonetheless!>>285954002Cutecutecutecute~~~
>>285953958 my postIn a way, Asa's contract is opposite to Denji's, if she wants to live her body will belong to Yoru, meanwhile Pochita only takes control from Denji when his will to live is gone. It's more possible that Yoru loses Asa completely and ends up with all of Asa's memories, if one of them is dying. I wouldn't count on it because how many fake out deaths Yoru has throughout part 2. I just don't know if Asa can keep being in the same body as Yoru, it's not serving any purpose in the story anymore. Denji wants Asa to be free, but that's not going to happen, also I get the feeling like he will give up soon enough. I think about how Asa felt about her parents dying, it's very obvious Denji and Yoru mirror her parents very intentionally by Fujimoto, and coming out of that situation made Asa isolated, vulnerable and helpless, neither Denji or Yoru can die so only one who might get killed is Asa.
>>285953958>>285954078All of Asa's character build up if just gonna be a a thorn in the side for a person who's already covered in thorns? I don't buy it, I think she will beat Yoru and weaponize Denji.
>>285954078>also I get the feeling like he will give up soon enoughI haven't gotten that feeling, he's far from hopeless. He's gloating like an imbecile, it's already the apocalypse so I don't know how to drive the stakes higher. Asa saved him from hopelessness before, pretty recently.
>>285954117Certainly would be great development for Asa, I've wanted Asa to fight back all throughout the story. But Fujimoto has made her too passive and subservient, it's hard to imagine Asa would do what you said because right now she's suicidal and only fights back against Yoru because she believes Denji truly has a chance to save her. The nude pic he got from Fumiko still makes me think that it will be revealed to Asa and then she can question his intentions, she still doesn't have any real way of freeing herself from Yoru.
>>285954161He can be hurt again if new Blood Devil and or Conquest Devil shows up and treats him like a stranger, or attacks him. Asa's issue really boils down to Yoru not wanting Asa to be free, or if that's even possible. I believe it is.
>>285953750
>>285953945Why does Asa wear granny panties?
>>285953374Was not prepared for this level of cuteness Gonna get a cold shower right now
I lied… I want to be a woman…
>>285954238She has a bad fashion sense, also I doubt Asa thinks about wearing nice sexy underwear, probably has massive inner monolog about how only sluts care about looking sexy.
>>285954200>new BDMaybe but he's fully aware that the new BD would be hostile, Power said as much.>new ConquestNayuta has been dead for like 2 days. There must be some sort of spawn delay. I don't think that'd be enough. He snapped out of his funk and Asa is his motivation right now.>>285954238I'd rather have that instead of dental floss panties.
Are part2 faggots aware that they'll never get an anime adaptation cause no normie would ever watch 50 episodes of ugly asaslop?
>>285954271A thong would disappear into Asa’s huge cheeks, it would look like she’s wearing a shoelace for a belt.
>>285954283FuarkJapanese femcel ass is made for BWC
>>285954168>because right now she's suicidal zabe me denji...>The nude pic he got from Fumiko still makes me think that it will be revealed to Asa and then she can question his intentionsI think they've moved past that sort of thing by now. I don't think Asa would want to die if she thinks Denji is doing this for slut poon.
>>285954259Being a woman would be your idealized life, something similar to a fantasy. Anon, you need to be in touch with reality, I don't think you're mentally ill or a troon for feeling this way, but some wishes aren't meant to be. You want to be a sissy? Go ahead, but changing your gender is impossible. Sorry if this isn't what you wanted to read.
>>285954281>no animeonliesOh no!Anyway.
>>285954281Believe it or not, loser girls like Asa are popular for making fun of them, Fujimoto knows this and humiliates Asa at every chance he gets, so there will be a part 2 anime someday and it will do just fine. You should probably pick something else to be mad about today.
>>285954261>And Yoru would proceed to wear a thong. It's curious how Yoru embodies all of Asa's desires and longings; it's her manifestation.
>>285954339I sometimes wonder that too. Maybe Asa wants to get smoochie smoochie with Denji.
>part 4: death>4 is death in Japanese >End of chainsawmanI'm already hyped for her story and she's currently MIA
I want to give terrible head to Asa Mitaka and accidentally bite her clit softly...
>>285954316asa barely gets humiliated.fami and kobeni are the designated losers yoru too
>NO NEW CHAPTER
>>285954301No, I know it’s a fantasy. I was born with XY chromosomes and my genetic makeup is a biological certainty. I just wish it was different. Like being born in a different time period or to rich parents. I’m just a mentally ill loser faggot.But on my worst days I think it wouldn’t be so bad to be the ugliest tranny in the world. I’m already a biological deadend neet and disappointment to my friends and family. At least if I troon out I could hangout with other psycho narcissistic faggots and I wouldn’t be spiraling out alone.
>>285954553Fujimoto pls draw the manga, I know you like ass but we need to see how the story goes.
>>285954489Be the beta man Asa would want you to be. No drugs. No surgery. Just bee yourself.
>>285954563oh no, she trips. that's really nothing compared to the humiliation that most csm characters go through.asa is fuji's porcelain princess that he protects to no end.all of the truly humiliating moments are experienced through yoru who gets turned into a granny and a dog among other things
>>285954581Why do you draw cute shy Japanese girls with big asses and have them lust over blond boys
>>285954564Thanks anon, I’ll try
>>285954601I'm in the same position minus the trooning part thobeit
>>285954610We know...you keep bringing it up...I also have a French surname (and ancestry) though I'm closer to German, that French ancestry is faaaaar away
>>285954403I can't imagine the story go on for other TWO parts, especially with "villains" (Fami and Lil' D) that have already been revealed.
Which CSM girl would be into a lazy incompetent pervert haha
>>285954655I am...But I want something forever...
>>285954609You’re gonna make it anon. You seem way more put together as a person than me. >>285954622I always come back to my senses, more or less…
>>285954669Nyoo wayy!!
>>285954601>>285954609you need someone irl to tell you this. your mentalities are boring, all you can do is follow general trends like a bunch of lemmings. there is not an original bone in your bodies. try to fix that.
>>285954678I give up...I need zabeing.
>>285954681
>>285954710If pieces of trash can get women I deserve one too. What does working on myself even mean? I'm not made for this world.
>>285954713it's the only advice that can be given. just realize that you're the dullest, most uninteresting, unoriginal people around.you have no self, everything about you revolves around what other people think about you. that's why you're such a whimpering mess.it's soulless behavior. take heed from this manga and learn the lessons.
Let Yoru pilot my body...
>>285954759It's not fair...
>>285954738…I don’t get it. So… I should troon out? Or should I just be a sissy faggot? Or should I man up and live life as a volcel?
>>285954783That's a demoralization post. Do not take it or any of the following posts seriously.
>>285954783trooning out or being a sissy faggot or a volcel won't help you stand out. you will still be boring. you will always be boring with your current mentality.stop being boring.
>>285954812My bad I’m retarded
*interrupts armchair therapy session**blows everyone up**leaves*
>>285954812not demoralization at all. i'm pointing out the fact that he's being extremely dull-minded.just do something original for once instead of talking about "trooning out" or whatever the fuck else is trendy amongst current day lost youths.atleast be interesting.
>>285954820That's true...but I need steps...I can't figure this thing out on my own, I just can't.
>>285954869I...just want a best friend that's also my girlfriend!!!!!!!
>>285954869he's just here to whine and moan. that's why he's a bore.
>>285954879nta, I know you're probably a freak, but I wish I could hug you and hold you until you stopped being so sad right now. I don't know your situation so I won't say it's going to be okay, but please make the effort to live a better life, you deserve that.
Upsetting hours...that's alright...I'll be back for more...I have no one else after all...>>285954893:(
>>285954917Get a fucking puppy and go to the dog park and make friends, fuck you depressing cunt.
>>285954917don't come back until you have something interesting to say
>>285954896He could have a best friend who’s a boyfriend
>>285954928It's not that easy...>>285954936...interesting to say.
>>285954940Yeah, like>recently I’ve been getting into ADL and loving it
>>285954940yes, something interesting. we've already heard the same story from you 500 times.
>>285954940>It's not that easyIt is that fucking easy, people make friends through shared hobbies and lifestyles. Seriously, why do you think alcoholics make friends at bar? Stop being so stupid about this, if you don't know what you want to do at least live as decently as you can, for now. And stop jerking off.
>>285954950I refuse to lie...>>285954961Why are you so mean...
>>285954975I don't want to do anything...>>285954976Thanks...
>>285954985>I don't want to do anythingYou're depressed, go to the hospital. Talk to other people who are also trying to deal with shit you're dealing with, the world is a huge place, you can't always be alone even if you sometimes wish you were.
>>285954961For some of us whining on /csm/ is the most human interaction we get>>285954856Yeah, this makes sense. Maybe I should go back to school. All my online friends are gooners with AGP.
https://youtu.be/ZEvi_wY53Zo>>285955000Then I've been depressed for so long it's unreal...
>>285955003>For some of us whining on /csm/ is the most human interaction we getwhining and doing nothing about your problems is what has got you to that point.misery seeks company, it is known. but i'm not about to let this board become just an echo chamber for a bunch of dudes who want to use it as dumping ground for their emotional baggage, which they're willing to do nothing about.
>>285955008>Then I've been depressed for so long it's unrealIt's not your fault, life is unbearable sometimes and it can cripple your senses. The best way I thought of it is that, it's not easy as making a decision, like pressing a button, in reality you have to keep trying, processing through all the feelings that make you want to quit and keep trying anyway because only one thing can truly stop you, that's dying. If you close off everything, just stuck in your thoughts, then that's you simulating death to feel comfort. I might be projecting hard right now, but that's how I was 7 or so years ago. You can't stop being yourself, and what you are is your decision.
>>285955023Hey, I don’t really whine here that much I just have a porn addiction. And I make an honest effort to engage in discussion on chappy days and the days after. I admit to shitting up the threads on break weeks and in the middle of the night because I’m a chronically online neet.
Discussing depression, loneliness and addiction is relevant to CSM though
>>285955086has it ever come across your mind to make an original or creative contribution instead of just talking about your boring, completely unoriginal porn addiction that half the world has at this point?no one fucking cares.with all the time you got in your hands, you ought to be able to come up with something more interesting than that.
>>285955106>your boring, completely unoriginal porn addiction that half the world has at this point?You have one too, huh?And why are you so obsessed with being interesting?
>>285934146https://youtu.be/tEkk-iTFO7g?si=aLxpAlHHAConXiiG
>>285955156because i drive discussion in this place. i create edits, i create memes, i make new talking points about the manga.every place i go to, i automatically make it more interesting and entertaining with my presence. you guys? you only bring things down because you're like a broken record.talking about this shit while using asa faces was fun for maybe the first 50 times you guys did it, but it has ran its course. it's like listening to a broken record. nothing's progressing, nobody's making any headway, nobody's bringing up anything fresh. just the same circlejerk every time.i've always been a guy who puts an end to those, in this place. whether it was amachu's circle-jerk or whatever. i ended it. and i'll end this too, if that's what it comes down to. i gatekeep this place
>>285955195Ok
>>285955214nta, don't listen to him. Your addiction is an issue, I want you to know that you should try for the sake of your happiness. Reach out to the right people, this may not be the correct circumstance for that.
Y'all remember when we sang chainsaw man to the tune of spider man together? That's was fun
>>285955316Are you coming on to me? I’m getting mixed signals. I don’t look down on that. I want to be a gooner neet who browses my favorite manga’s thread. It’s the world that tells me not to be. I don’t know who to listen to anymore.
Break week right?
>>285955361if you wanted to be just that, you wouldn't "listen to the world". the "world" has lost all credibility as far as being worth listening to.you're choosing to listen because there's obviously something they can offer you that you want.it's no different from denji's situation in chainsaw man really.
>they're still going
Will darkness reappear? I miss that guy>>285955375The most break week thread I've ever seen mate
>>285955391Well, you are a very interesting person. I’ll give you that. What would you do in my situation?
for the record i never do this until a thread's hit the bump limit. then all bets are off as far as i'm concerned.this situation has just gotten so stagnant and boring that it needs to move in some kind of direction
>>285955462For the record, I don't care and you're gay.
>>285955422I miss the days when Kobeni was a rapper, everyone loved Beam, and the gayest meme in these threads was that Aki would bottom for Angel. Much funnier than all this blogposting.
>>285955440I don't want Darkness to return only to job.On the other hand, iirc Barem implied Sickness is a Primal Devil, so I'd like to see it. The story started with Denji having a heart condition too.
>>285955462Do what?
>>285955457i can't tell what i'd do in your situation because i'm not you. i'd never be in your situation in the first place because i genuinely enjoy being who i am, flaws and all. I don't make mockery of myself nor do I see that my actions are somehow "sinful" and that I should constantly seek to transform myself to gain the acceptance of others. I know that the dregs running society are a thousand times worse than I am.
>>285955361Please stop being homo/bi. It's caused by your porn addiction. Stop jerking off and you will return to the person you always were.
>>285955533Talk anything other than chainsaw man
>>285955529"You don't know what you got until it's gone."
>>285955607this pic is somehow gayer than the whole rest of the thread combined
>>285955783It didn't feel right posting female Beam in the moment.
>>285955806this pic is somehow straighter than the whole rest of the thread combined
