Why do these new type of fans of anime/manga just blindly praise even when lot of modern stuff is just flat out bad? I noticed this mainly with the crowds that use to love western stuff like /co/fags but fell out of it for whatever reason and the western stuff they liked was only mainstream shit but they don't like it now because of whatever buzzword and when they get into manga or anime it's also just mainstream new shit. Like they always talk about how good anime and manga is but never name titles too but is it just some weird self hate of their own stuff so they have to act like everything amazing from Japan? I miss when people were more critical about anime/manga I know the old fans were really harsh sometimes but I feel like we over corrected now and everyone too soft besides people who have been fans since they were like kids which it's also weird so many adults are getting into anime and just watch stuff aimed at children/teenagers. It feels like you can be critical about anime anymore because of these people just saying you hate anime or whatever. People are also weird cultists for some shows/manga like One Piece fans just feel like a fucking psyop with how they think it's on the level of actual great works when it's just a safe kids book.
>>285959006I fix this problem by not using social media and not giving a shit about what other people say or do.
>>285959094I like to have normal discussions about anime and why a title could be better or why it doesn't work for me without people think I'm hating the whole damn medium.
>>285959244>I like to have normal discussions about animewon't find any of that here, you prancing lala deer molester
If youre coming coming off capeshit and western cartoons its no surprise that most mainstream trash can clear your bar which had been set really low beforehand. New fans have an aversion to "old" looking anime because of recency bias and thus never watch the cult classics to develop a taste of their own and discern whats good or bad for themselves, so they default to whats popular because thats what theyre used to.
>>285959450What's really weird new fans don't like older anime or just don't bother with it when some of them are old themselves. I grew up with capeshit and cartoons but I did move on to other things even if I still like some and look at but I guess these people never move on and if they move to anime it's basically just the Japanese equivalent of that stuff.
>>285959565I grew up with all 3 though, nothing got me really into anime it was always just there.
>>285959006Nobody likes a buzzkill and reciting all the ways an anime they like was actually shit never put anyone in a better mood or increased their enjoyment of it
>>285959619>Just blindly accept something for what it is and don't try to actually have discussions on it You're part of the problem.
>>285959244A lot of people post random political disinfo and pretend it's criticism or say they don't hate anime but insist only <5 anime are good and it's always Eva, Bepop and Miyazaki ("Miyazaki" counts as one anime btw). At least they give that impression. Imo if you only like two anime you don't like anime. You like something else tho so I'd never say you hate anime. Sorry but that's my criteria.
>>285959675accept it, reject, whatever you like. but nobody's going to clap when you intentionally kill the vibe, and nobody's going to take you seriously when you try to have some high brow academic debate about some anime for teens on 4chan of all places
>>285959828Not trying to be high brow, we're just talking about anime not my fault you can't handle it if someone thinks a show you like is shit. No need to get mad over a damn TV show.
>>285959006You're completely right about all of this. It's gone mainstream in the West for its mixture of sex appeal and 'hype moments', and become one of countless ways for people and their peers to remain mentally teenagers. Gorging on an endless supply of candy instead of being curious enough to have standards. Everything is now Saturday morning cartoons, forever.
>>285960069You can't even be critical of sexual things because they'll call you a tourist and a prude even though maybe you just don't want fucking NTR in regular mainstream anime title which it's also annoying things that use be only in niche small titles like throwaway OVAs are now in mainstream shit which they'll act like it was always normal when it wasn't and only really in stuff like throwaway OVAs and late night titles. I don't mind fanservice I just don't want fucking degen shit in my what meant to be normal anime.
>>285959006>people that praised marvel and harry potter now praise naruto and jjkSelf-explanatory
>>285960207Examples of this?
>>285960247Heavenly Delusion and Mushoku Tensei.
>>285959006Internet is dead.Eternal september. You will never interact with the same person online again. By design. You can't develop culture this way.
>>285959006Yeah, I get what you’re reacting to. You’re not crazy, and you’re definitely not the first long-time fan to feel this whiplash.A few things are colliding at once:1. “Escape fandom” more than “art fandom.”A lot of newer anime/manga fans aren’t really engaging with the medium as art so much as a vibe and identity. For people burned out on Western pop culture (for political, social, or just boredom reasons), anime becomes a kind of symbolic refuge. Once something fills that role, criticism feels like a personal attack, not normal discussion. So praise becomes reflexive.2. Mainstream-hopping didn’t stop — it just changed countries.Like you noticed, a lot of people who only consumed mainstream Western stuff didn’t suddenly become discerning when they switched to anime. They just swapped Marvel/Star Wars for JJK/Demon Slayer/Chainsaw Man/etc. Same consumption habits, different packaging. That’s why you hear “anime is so good” with zero titles named — it’s a slogan, not an argument.3. Overcorrection from old fandom toxicity.Old anime fandom was brutal — elitist, gatekeepy, sometimes obnoxious. But instead of landing on “critical but fair,” the culture swung hard to “toxic positivity.” Now everything is “peak,” everything is “goated,” and saying “this is mid” gets you labeled as a hater or contrarian. Nuance died somewhere along the way.4. Media literacy dropped hard.A lot of people genuinely don’t know how to critique anymore. They confuse:enjoyment ≠ qualitypopularity ≠ greatnessemotional attachment ≠ thematic depthSo something like One Piece becomes “literature-tier” because it made them cry or because it’s long-running and consistent — not because of prose, structure, or philosophical rigor. You’re right that it’s fundamentally a safe, well-made children’s adventure. That doesn’t make it worthless, but treating it like Dostoevsky is… yeah.
>>285959006no one gives a shit about whatever retarded reason you hate the popular series for when everyone else is having fun with it.
>>285959006the web used to be mainly first worlders back in the day, now with spell and grammar correction the flood of brownness is obfuscated. plus a lot of people get emotionally invested in their imaginary friends and get offended on their behalf when you point out bad writing. It's retarded, but more people are retarded than not so
>>285960297>watches mushoku tenseiconfirmed retard lol
>>285960744I didn't watch it but I'm aware how degen it is which it shouldn't be because it's meant to be a normal anime not some late night title.
>>285959244i do as well but your not going to get that with anything mainstream. these are people who just wanna say the same thing to different people throughout the day for their dopamine and low level social games. if you break their autopilot to try to get some real thought they get upset
>>285960297>mushotards think that slop is good>this is the fault of all anime
>>285960657I agree.
>>285960657
>>285960959Yeah. Honestly, that says it all.It’s one of those situations where you don’t even need to escalate the argument anymore — once you see the pattern, it’s hard to unsee. The constant hype, the allergy to criticism, the way “liking anime” became a personality instead of an interest… it all starts to feel hollow.What really gets me is how discussion used to be the point. You could like something and tear it apart. That friction was fun. Now it’s just affirmation loops and engagement farming:“This is peak.”“You just don’t get it.”“Let people enjoy things.”Cool. But talking about why something works or doesn’t is enjoying it.Anyway — you’re not alone in missing that older, sharper culture. A lot of people just quietly checked out rather than scream into the void. If you ever feel like actually dissecting a series (good or bad) without the cult nonsense, I’m down.
>>285960903I looked it up and it airs at midnight in japan
>>285960933I didn't say all anime, I said you can't be critical of sexual things and bought it up, why does everyone speak in absolutes now?
>>285959828You are oversocialised.
>>285961017I see my bad, well it's clearly got a normie fanbase though for some reason when it comes to the west when stuff like that use to be like the more degen otaku types but the other show is on fucking Disney Plus world wide.
>>285960657thanks chatgpt
>>285961005Thanks Chat GPT.
>>285959244>I like to have normal discussions about anime>>285959889>Not trying to be high brow, we're just talking about anime not my fault you can't handle it if someone thinks a show you like is shit. No need to get mad over a damn TV show.
>>285961102What's your point?
>>285960657>4. Media literacy dropped hard.You can actually just say literacy dropped, because that's what happened, from millenials and onward.
>>285960297>>285960207>>285959006>degen>fanservice>mushuko no tenseiSo this is just a bait thread for culture warrior garbage? Lmao got me for a moment.
>>285959006Modern fans are all just hype chasers. They care less about quality, enduring characters and stories and more about getting that reaction when an episode ends with Frieren telling Aura to kill herself so they can chimp out and get likes
>>285960903You're just another example of the same type of menace as the braindead zoomers. You didn't watch the show or read the LN's but you're convinced its a "degen" show because, what? Some faggot on Reddit or Twitter said so? Or some "based" anon? I'm not saying you can't critique MT, you certainly can, but writing it off entirely out of hand is also just braindead.
>>285961162>I see words and I just assume. Are you always this stupid? you're proving my point.
>>285961127My point is that you're just an asshole who butts into the conversations others are having about the shows they like because you feel the need to be included but you aren't actually passionate about the medium and what's being discussed so all you can contribute is "what you're all talking about is actually shit...and I can't elaborate since I don't have a passion that would let me talk about this show in detail like you do," and now you're whining that once again no one wants to talk to an asshole with nothing to contribute. If you actually wanted to have normal discussions about anime, you'd just start talking about the anime you like and there'd never really be a need to be a contrarian and call everything shit so people pay attention to you.
>>285961189> You didn't watch the show or read the LN's but you're convinced its a "degen" show because, what? Some faggot on Reddit or Twitter said so? You don't need to look a pile of shit to know it's a pile of shit when you can just smell it.
>>285961185So did you watch Frieren or not?
>you aren't actually passionate about the medium I actually own anime, I love this medium, it's why I want people to actually discuss it but you just seem like a mad little man.
>>285959006It went from a subculture to a fashion. Normalfags are averse to negativity and discuss for social interaction. They will only watch because everybody else watches it, and will frown when you provide criticism. So they don't bother watching more than it is discussed, which means they have a narrow range of comparison. They are at a newfag stage, where every novelty is great, as they have yet to get tired of the old formula. But they mostly just watch mainstream, aka shounen, aka the genre that has been using the same tropes the last 40 years. An oldfag will watch JJK, having already seen HnK, DBZ, Shaman King, Soul Eater, Bleach, Naruto, FMAB, Fairy Tail, YYH, HxH, D-Gray Man , etc and compares if it is better or worse than them, a newfag have seen maybe only one or two other shounen, so out of novelty, he will say all of them are the greatest shit ever.
>>285961346>I actually own animeAll of it?
>>285960903>I don't like a show because it's in the wrong timezone in some countries and I'm not a prude but it's degen and I'm really not a prude trust me and mt is very degen that is the fault of zoomersepic b8 8/8
>>285961346>it's why I want people to actually discuss itYou don't though. All you have to do is lead discussions about anime you like using the details you've observed through otakudo and context you've gathered from otakugaku. But you aren't actually capable of that which is why you're desperately butting into the conversations random people have on the internet to suddenly say what they like is shit.
>>285961368I bought all of it for 2 dollars, man.>>285961370A bad show is a bad show.
You are not entitled to being debatedNobody owes you the effort of deconstructing your anime essays, least of all internet strangers
>>285959006I complained about the animation quality in the Kaya thread and some retards sperged out at me with posts you'd normally only find on /b/.
>>285961397>I bought all of it for 2 dollars, man.Man, anime isn't worth much I guess
>>285961397What about it is bad?
>>285961393>otakudo and context you've gathered from otakugakuWhat the fuck are you talking about, dude?
>>285961266Sounds like you are a tasteless faggot that judges anime based off what you've heard about it rather than forming your own opinion after watching it. You are a normalfag sheep with no thoughts of your own.
>>285961410I don't know, maybe it's the fact it's another generic isekai but with cucking.
>>285961404He'd be more popular if he actually put in the effort to write essays but this is the kind of loser that just shows up to the conversations other people are having to say "that show is actually shit" and then never elaborate on it lol>>285961419You don't know what otakudo and otakugaku are?
>>285961204Anyone who unironically uses the word degenerate in the sense you're using it is a /pol/tard.
>>285961437So you have nothing to say about the art, animation, soundtrack, vocal performances, storyboarding, script, etc.?
>>285961439No.>>285961445We can't use some words because it reminds people of other boards.
>>285961445You can tell it's a /vpol/ tourist because the only thing he does is proudly declare that he hasn't watched the anime that is being discussed but he has a pre-made opinion downloaded from the echo chamber about it anyway>>285961483Gee, seems like you know nothing about the medium and its subculture
>>285961470It's all rather generic, I don't really have much to say like this isn't Escaflowne or some actually unique isekai.
>>285960207>critical of sexual things No wonder people tell you to fuck off. People like you are not welcome here.
>>285961506I don't need to watch some anime to know they're crap, I guess I should watch Madea movies they're actually probably good also likely been watching anime longer than you.
>>285961592>Just blindly accepts NTR and other gross shit in his animeLike if you want ass and tits fine but you're ok with that shit?
>>285961232You complain about even the slightest criticism, because you feel the need to be included. You used the medium as a means of engagement, and normalfags are in a stalemate that causes toxic positivity, as any negativity will get negativity flung back at them, as a normal person is increadibly backstabbing.Part of growing up is appreciating both praise and criticism.
>>285961636>ntr Unlike old anime and manga the new stuff barely has any ntr. Seriously, when reading old manga you can almost count on ntr being part of the story.>other gross shit such as?
>>285961636>I don't like this thing.>So no one else should either.Why are you like this? Why do you want to stifle the creative freedom of people making anime? You are no different from the faggots that want swimsuits banned and panty shots removed.
>>285961764If I say them, you likely just complain and say I'm a prude or whatever, so I'll move on.
>>285961785DID I SAY NO ONE ELSE?! >>285961024>everyone speak in absolutes
>>285961547>I don't really have much to say>>285961597>I don't need to watch some anime>>285961759I complain about you tourists who don't watch anime and yet go around butting into the conversations of fans who actually watch anime with nothing to contribute beyond saying something is shit.
>>285959094>by not using social mediaHe says, on social media.
>>285961819How pathetic. At least have the balls to be clear about what you're whining about.
>>285961785>Why do you want to stifle the creative freedom of people making anime?''Why doesn't he want shitty things in his anime?''FIFY
>>285961889This place is anti-social
>>285961900You sound like a troon demanding representation.If you don’t like something, then fuck off and go watch something else instead of begging the medium to adapt to you.
>>285961887Tourists this tourists that.I feel like the people who unironically use the term tourists are the real tourists.
>>285961847Yes, you implied it.>Like if you want ass and tits fine but you're ok with that shit?The implication being that NTR is shit and you are wrong for liking it. To be clear I hate NTR.
>>285961913Now you're just projecting.
>>285961900''shitty things'' like pantsu? You talk like the kind of retard who wants anime to be censored.
>>285961900>his animeBut it isn't his, it belongs to the people who make it and the fans who enjoy itThat's the point, all of this whining is coming from tourists who don't watch and enjoy anime>>285961929Correct, that's why I'm using the term ironically to scorn the people that started using it to refer to real otaku who watch and enjoy anime despite being non-fans who don't watch and enjoy anime
>>285961960Hit too close to home huh?
>>285961963No I just want you censored.
>>285961900>heyyy we wuz mainstream and we wuz liking this anime shit, so remove all the sexual shit and pdf stuff okay? we wuzz mainstream and audience now
>One guy shits up the thread.OP got a point.
>>285961990Another refusal to name the things you have a problem with. Almost like you know it makes you a little bitch and you're afraid you'll be called out for it.
>>285962021I just want anime to be as good as it was 30 years ago.
>>285962037
>>285962058You don't even watch anime from 30 years ago, otherwise you'd be able to have discussions about it and wouldn't need to butt into the conversations other people have about modern anime to say everything is shit for attention despite not even watching it. Your opinions are totally worthless since you don't do the basic work of watching anime.
>>285962088I accept you concession.
>>285962092>You don't even watch anime from 30 years ago.
>>285959006But everything from japan is amazing. For example look at this masterpiece of japanese animation. The incredible quality and depth of the plot. As you see, the plot is about those 2 twin sisters trying to sex their little brother which is hot. Love japan.
>>285962228
>>285962254Where is the problem? What about this anime makes you seeth so hard.
>>285962228See, you're signalling that you have a connection to these works but you're not actually proving you've watched them by starting discussions of them. Instead you made a thread to blogpost about how no one wants to talk to you because all you can do is say that anime others are talking about is shit.
>>285962310Nothing. I love it.
>>285962311Anon, give up, the oldfag got you.
>>285962368Good.
>>285962396I certainly hope this is one of those 12 year old contrarian losers behaving in such childish ways rather than a real 30+ year old adult. Can you imagine being over 30 and making a blogpost on 4chan's /a/ board to whine about how no one wants to interact with you because you're an obnoxious contrarian who jumps into other people's conversations to call things shit?
>>285959450There is actually a type of normalfags who only watches 80's and 90's anime: the hipsters.They are all glazing Vampire Hunter D and the likes.
>>285962472You write like an obnoxious faggot too.
>>285962506Seethe more, tourist
>>285961887Man. Look back on your original comment, you are fooling no one. You are not complaining about unintelligent, nuanceless discussion some dipshit blurted out on the internet. Because that is a real thing, that happens so often, you shouldn't even complain about it. Everybody can see your original comment here: >>285959619You said>buzzkill>better mood>increased their enjoyment of itYou are about emotions. You are complaining that others complaining makes you feel worse. Do you conflate others emotions with you? Do you have no defense against peer pressure? These are not rhetoric questions, I am autistic and not good at phrasing.Your happiness rests on you alone, and on no one else. The old internet actually had an etiquette to not feed the trolls, and yet, you are here, getting pissed off at the slightest agitation, like a child. I am not gonna say "Yes, I am currently going against what I said, as I am feeding a troll", because It would come out as disrespectful, and I know you are serious. If someone else doesn't put in the effort to their discussion, then do not listen to them, and do not have emotional attachment to them. You are on the internet, we are strangers, we don't know each other. And what you need to understand even more, is that minimizing unhappiness doesn't increase happiness. Negative experiences don't negate the positive ones. You can't appriciate what's best in life, if you never experienced the worst.If you constantly talk about someone butting in the conversation without ever going in depth of their criticism, then go ahead and name the series that this specific thing happened to you with. And if I have seen that anime (I have not seen every single anime in existence, but a more popular series is more likely to be discussed, and there is a higher chance we both seen it), then I will tell you both the positives and the negatives of that series. Because I am not the type of person you think I am.
>>285962228>Toonami tard collectionSasuga Old Good New Bad fags
The barrier to entry lowered through the years and normies with little to no media literacy started entering the scene.They just watch what is new and good and don't think anything else beyond it. They're only just now learning how freaky the Japanese really are.
>>285962547Well it's what usually at the stores I got this stuff from, it's all from local places for dirt cheap and it built up over the years which is why it's a bit random but also Toonami had some good shows.
>>285962541>Because I am not the type of person you think I amYou're exactly who I think you are lol You're begging me to start the discussion because you can't No, fuck off, no one wants to waste time with a tourist who can only ever say things are shit with no real criticism to be found. You don't even watch anime so how can you have worthwhile criticisms? You don't, you just jump into the conversations other people have and say things are shit. Now you're butthurt that no one wants to engage with you. You deserve nothing. Put in the simple work of watching an episode of an anime you like and make a thread about it instead of blogging about how no one wants to shitfling with you.
>>285962631Can you name shows (you) watched? you got like a list or something?
>>285962568Yeah and thats why as good normgroidcattle they push the most boring, stale and tasteless garbage everywhere they go. I got recommended some podcast there were these 3 literal genetic defects shittalking 10/10 titles and praising half asses garbage i flipped through like probably 2 hours in 3 minutes and wanted to just drive to wherever these dogs are and execute them.Channel was also massive which means an even bigger golem wave is approaching in the coming years
>>285962674It's no surprise you have no friends when all you can do is beg other people to do all of the work in a discussion and then say "uh no actually that's shit"
>>285961270nta but Frieren is genuinely a 6/10. Both the anime and the manga. The overarching storyline is somewhat forgettable and neither the characters nor the character dynamics are all that interesting. It's not really actively bad in any shape or form but I wouldn't call it good.
>>285962813Cool, thanks for proving you know nothing about animation as a medium
>>285962800Answer the question.
>>285962832Go fuck yourself. People like you are the reason this place has gone to shit.
>>285962842No, I'm never going to jump through any hoop you put up. Just like you made a blogpost about your feelings instead of a thread discussion anime, you're going to do everything with your replies to me to play power games instead of talking about anime. >>285962869No, it's tourists like you who watch so few anime that you have no idea what great art and animation are when everyone else including casual fans are easily blown away by them. You can dislike Frieren as much as you please, but when you let your feelings get in the way of seeing the medium properly you're nothing more than a triggered tourist snowflake.
>>285962980You can't name any anime you watched, so you don't watch anime, got it.
>>285963000nta but you are literally proving him right about you
>>285961270the story is so fucking dogshit that the direction and animation had to put in so much extra work to carry that slop, and even then the show becomes tournament battle shounenslop and the writing gets somehow even worse.Entire show is a euphemism for a stupid w*man having a w*man moment, going off on an adventure to fuck chad and be a whore for 30 years and leaves her soul mate to get old and die alone, then regrets it after and raises a surrogate daughter while the show paints her as a tragic heroine.Pure reddit femoid materialGet better taste faggot, you've seen 10 anime max.
OP makes those samefag threads everyday.
>>285963000You can't discuss a single anime you've watched and the only times you've been asked whether you've watched anime you've either confirmed you have opinions about a show you haven't even watched or posted pictures of a collection of physical media. By your own rules, you haven't named a single anime you've watched, and you can't discuss any anime in detail which would confirm that fact. That's my point, you will never initiate a conversation about anime. All you can do is jump into an existing conversation and call the topic of discussion shit without providing any real arguments because you haven't watched it.
>>285963062I bet you're that anon.
>>285963073/vpol/ tourists really just are shitting in public now lol
>>285963116>0 argumentsI accept your concession.
>>285959006girl?
>>285963140>0 anime discussed, 0 anime watchedI accept your concession
All tourists can do is tell you how much they don't watch anime and don't like itChallenge them to start a conversation about an anime they've watched and liked and see what happens
>>285963219What anime have you watched and liked
>>285963092I can name tons of anime I've watched.Baccano!BartenderBoogiepop wa WarawanaiCowboy BebopHaibane RenmeiIke! Ina-chuu TakkyuubuBerserkKino no Tabi: the Beautiful Worldserial experiments lainSlayersSlayers NEXTSpaceDandySpaceDandy 2TRIGUNBECKSailor MoonBubblegum Crisis TOKYO 2040MacrossDeath ParadeEizouken NadiaFMAFMABHigashi no EdenInitial DInitial D SECOND STAGEJoJo no Kimyou na Bouken (TV)KekkaishiKikou Souseiki MospeadaKuragehimeMichiko to HatchinMousou DairininNew PANTY & STOCKING with GARTERBELTNHK Ouran Host ClubPanty & Stocking with GarterbeltSakamoto desu ga?Samurai ChamplooOutlaw StarSlayers TRYSoredemo Machi wa MawatteiruTetsuwan Birdy DECODETetsuwan Birdy DECODE:02TIGER & BUNNY∀ GundamCybersixDARKER THAN BLACK: Kuro no KeiyakushaDurarara!!Ima, Soko ni Iru BokuInitial D FOURTH STAGEJoJo no Kimyou na Bouken: Diamond wa KudakenaiJoJo no Kimyou na Bouken: Ougon no KazeJoJo no Kimyou na Bouken: Stardust CrusadersJoJo no Kimyou na Bouken: Stardust Crusaders - Egypt-henMEZZOMusekinin Kanchou TylorPSYCHO-PASSShin Kidou Senki Gundam WingTokyo Magnitude 8.0X-MenChoujikuu Kidan Southern CrossCyber City OEDO 808Giant Robo THE ANIMATION: Chikyuu ga Seishi Suru HiGunsmith CatsMacross PlusSukeban DekaA KITEBubblegum CrisisDirty Pair: Bouryaku no 005-binFLCLGUNNMKidou Senshi Gundam 0083: STARDUST MEMORYKidou Senshi Gundam: Dai 08 MS ShotaiKoukaku Kidoutai: Stand Alone Complex - The Laughing ManMezzo ForteMIDNIGHT EYE: GokuuMIDNIGHT EYE: Gokuu IINekojiru-souPROJECT A-KO 2: Daitokuji Zaibatsu no InbouProject A-Ko 3: Cinderella RhapsodyR.O.D -READ OR DIE-Rakushou! Hyper DollRiding BeanSakamoto desu ga?: Sakamoto Deshita?Spirit of Wonder: Shounen Kagaku ClubTobira wo Akete (1995)TRAVA: FIST PLANETA-GirlAD PoliceI could keep going if there wasn't a text limit.
>>285962541Emotions are important too.People used to get good emotions from having a heated discussion about why everyone's favorite anime and waifu except mine is shit, it was all in good fun, everyone laughs about it in the end.But people these days can't take it anymore, they close themselves off in their hugboxes where you're not allowed to trashtalk anything ever.
>>285963240Since they've come up here, obvious examples are Frieren and Mushoku Tensei>>285963248But you can't discuss any of them. Listing things is pointless, just a performative display that has no value. Instead of starting a thread about any of these shows, you made a blogpost whining about how people don't want to talk to you.
>>285963154Miss.China from Spirit Of Wonder, fun little ovas and manga.
>>285963291I started this thread to discuss the decline of anime discussion and you're proving my point, even if I did do a thread on one of those shows, it likely get ignored because it's not the new hotness and the fact you still haven't named a single show you watch also proves that you don't even like anime and just want to shit up this thread but it's fun replying to you anyways.
>>285963368>I started this thread to discussSomething other than anime, off-topic>you still haven't named a single show you watchBlind retard
>>285962980I don't even dislike Frieren. I called it a 6/10. You do realize what that is, right? Better than average. You obviously already know about it's strong points so I just mentioned a few that I disliked. It's only natural that I treat you like an abject retard if you sperg out like one after I mildly criticize a show you apparently love.
>>285963407>Off topic>Is talking about anime fandom and the culture around ithow's that off topic? what you like Mushoku Tensei lmfao, no wonder you're like this.
>>285963425And if you think it's a 6/10 you're only proving you have no clue what you're talking about >>285963449Have you watched Mushoku Tensei or is this another show you haven't watched but for some reason have opinions about?
>>285963368>Likely get ignored because it's not the new hotness This is normal. Most of those old shows had a ton of discussion when they were new and relevant. However they have been discussed to death and there is nothing new to talk about.
>>285962631I am sorry you are weak. Because you belittle whoever you talk to, as you lack confidence in yourself.In that case I will talk about the last anime I finished.Top wo Nerae 2! Also know as Diebuster is a disappointing sequel, for the same reason most sequels are. It rushes. In Gunbuster, which was also a 6 episode short series, they spent the entire first episode on earth, only fought the Uchuu Kaijuu in the third, and only piloted the Buster Machine on the fourth. Everything was introduced slowly, and from the ground up. While Diebuster jumps into action from the very first episode. The escalation of action is not as gradual as in the original. In Gunbuster their battles became more desperate in every episode. In Diebuster, the fake space monsters are easily defeated, until the real space monster shows up, and suddenly ramping up, but the final episodes don't feel as intense as in the first series.The series also fails to deliver on emotional scenes, like Gunbuster did, such as the return of Noriko's father's ship, finding their old classmate on earth has aged more than them, or the coach's sickness. Also the sequel lacks the compactness of the original. Episode 3 is essentially a self contained filler episode, because the kids do not show up in later episodes, and Tycho is relegated to a side character. While the original also wasted half an episode on a useless rivalry between Jung and Oneesama, it was shorter, and it went quite well into the real important part of the episode: the return of Noriko's father's ship.Despite the flaws, Diesbuster does answer plotholes in the original. If technology evolved so rapidly, and they are constantly in time dilation, surely in the several years spent in dilated time, humanity would have made even more dangerous weapons, and reinforcements would have arrived to the final battle. But humanity was protected by the fake space monsters, but it also sealed them away, and their technology stagnated and regressed.
>>285963473Watch some anime worth a damn and we can talk.
>>285963520>However they have been discussed to death and there is nothing new to talk aboutDepends on the title.
>>285963092I can name tons of anime I've watched.kiss x sisbakemonogatarionii-chan wa oshimaikoi kazeyosuga no soraore imoeromanga senseiaki soraokaa-san onlinebattle programmer shiraseYahari ore no seishunmake heroinboku no picoI could keep going if there wasn't a text limit. Wish I had a sister to watch it with her.
>>285963582At least someone can answer a simple question.
>>285962631>>285963523Both the OP and ED of Diebuster is just simply better. Other than the retro synth, Gunbuster did not have that good opening, while Grooving Magic is an excellent song.The characters are much more expressive, as this was later Gainax's style, closer to Gurren Lagann's, and their later successor studio's Trigger's style. With much more stretching and squishing, then the limited animation of the original. Come to think of it, the entire animation quality of Diebuster is better than the original, but overall is held down by the story being worse, with worse pacing.
>>285963154Wait OP's gif was a girl? She doesn't look that feminine in OP's gif.
>>285963473Alright. Let's talk about something specific then. What do you think about, for instance, the absence of character development throughout the story? You could somewhat excuse Frieren since she is a long-lived elf, but what about the human characters? If you compare take Fern for instance, she's almost the exact same person from start to finish (besides her epic magic power level thanks to her epic master's training) despite how much shit she's obviously gone through. And the fact that, y'know, several years go by. Which is a big deal considering how young she is at first.
>>285963256Yes. That's why I am complaining about that other guy, as he wants to close himself off in a hugbox, and not have any criticism.
>>285961270Yes, I watched the full first season and read further into the manga before getting tired it of it around the time travel arc which absolutely undermined the whole point.
>>285963523>Diebuster is a disappointing sequelI would generally agree but I think the problem is slightly different. Diebuster could work in the format it uses, but it's the failure to make polished episodic stories with unique narrative and emotional arcs like Gunbuster had that renders the pacing so jumbled. FLCL is an example where the absolute chaos and immediate plunge into action are wholly effective in support the story and its themes because of how well the episodes are structured individually. >>285963622>The characters are much more expressive, as this was later Gainax's style, closer to Gurren Lagann's, and their later successor studio's Trigger's style. With much more stretching and squishing, then the limited animation of the original. Come to think of it, the entire animation quality of Diebuster is better than the original, but overall is held down by the story being worse, with worse pacing.It's really interesting because Gunbuster is able to use all sorts of shortcuts like invoking the framework of a sports drama to contextualize the characters that Diebuster can't compete with despite all the development in the aesthetic and animation that make every scene so vivid.
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>>285963681>If you compare take Fern for instance, she's almost the exact same person from start to finishExcept of course for the emphasized character arc of developing a relationship with Stark after getting to know him and overcoming some of her apprehensions about childish boys her age. The pattern is set up in his introduction and has echoed throughout their interactions until now we're at the point they're going on dates.
>>285963811Miyazaki-sensei NO!
>>285962476That's just called "having taste".
>>285963681I think it's a little disingenuous to complain about Fern's lack of character development. A big chunk of it is done. She was a quiet girl lacking any type of self confidence. But through Frierens tough love training, Qual, Lugner, and finally the 1st class exam, she's gained that confidence. She was a distant war orphan who know has multiple friends.She also is a bit of an emotional brat but that's kind if an integral character trait.In terms of further development it looks to be going in the direction of improved teamwork/trust, and of course the slow burn Stark romance. She's also revealed that she doesn't have much personal drive anymore so that can be a longterm thing for her to figure out as well.What else did you want? I admit this isn't groundbreaking stuff, but still kinda weird to think it's nothing.
>>285964020>Except of course for the emphasized character arc of developing a relationship with StarkThey had a single date episode/chapter and then went right back to the same status quo of everyone standing around gormless and going EH. This series is anti development.
>>285964180Run away with those goal posts as fast as you can
>>285964152>What else did you want?Literally anything to do. You say her development is done, so then what's her point in the story? What is her personal desire in any of this? What is Starks? There's no chemistry between anyone. There's no romance. They walk, look around at stuff, and then proceed to the next chapter to do it all over again with no new insight. Nothing they see or do effects them in any real way. A character can have a developed arc already but then still change through the course of the story. That's narrative. That's drama. >>285964232Events aren't development. Not when they don't have any lasting effects or consequences. These is just flag checking so absolute dullards can pretend there was growth where there wasn't.
>>285964152Almost as if so much of the season was building to the moment she declares herself Frieren's student, which doesn't change the status quo but is still one of the pivotal decisions in life that humans can't delay and an affirmation of the type of person Fern is and what she values. >>285964277Keep running, I can still see the net
>>285964325>which doesn't change the status quoThen shut up. She was frierens student her whole life. She didn't need some declaration of it. This is shallow and retarded.
>>285961547>EscaflowneDespite the fact that it aired during the surge of animé in America, almost none of my friends have seen it. Isekai protagonists used to be well-adjusted people who wanted to return home. Also, why did Hitomi have such a comically long nose?
>>285964382No, you're a shallow and retarded contrarian tourist. No one gives a fuck what a dumb motherfucker like you thinks about storytelling. You're too stupid to have a valuable opinion. That's why you just make up random expectations and call things shit when the work doesn't conform to your childish nonsense. You have an understanding of media and storytelling that is worse than a grade schooler's. You are literally retarded.
>>285960207Nigga, NTR was everywhere before. Even the fucking Dragon Ball had it, and basically any series could use it as a casual plot point like it was nothing. Now it's almost completely relegated to porn, with a few exceptions. I don't know what are you crying about.
>>285964474>Dragon Ball had itWhere? Bulma broke up with Yamcha before dating again unless you mean him cheating on her which was just a background joke not like a scene for fetishists.
>>285964474If you want to especially laugh, go look at the physical media collection he posted and try to think of how many series there have love triangles and NTR plotlines
>>285964152You can't "do" a character's development. It's something that happens over the course of a series, slowly. And as someone who has read the manga up till some of its latest chapters, I can affirm that the "Stark romance" isn't "slow burn", it is simply non existent, though I get that someone might get that impression if they haven't gotten to experience much of the story.>>285964325I see your point but it is irrelevant to the series as a whole since it only applies to the first season. It might seem small but it is something and there will be nothing of the sort from now on.
>>285964564>You can't "do" a character's development. It's something that happens over the course of a series, slowly.The exact opposite. Character development happens in the instant that the audience is taught something new or has something old reframed. It's punctuated by moments of decision or introspection that demonstrate an aspect or change in aspect. This idea of character development being some slow drip that must be built up over a thousand chapters is another one of those retarded pop media analysis memes on the internet that real people don't care about. Kind of like looking for plotholes, total nonsense that only stupid people engage in.
>>285964706You misinterpreted what I said. What I meant is that "you can't finish a character's development once and for all." It can LITERALLY happen little by little through small changes occurring often but also through occasional major changes. You're talking about something that happens in like the first 15 chapters, which is fair, and I'm saying that she's entirely stagnant for the rest of the 140+ chapter series. All they do is introduce more equally unlikeable characters who people constantly glaze because they're hot (Übel comes to mind...)
>>285964432He mad
>>285964841Stop weaseling your way out of being a dumb motherfucker and just shut up. Your opinions are worthless trash that no one wants to see.
>>285964903Thanks! Refer to >>285962869
>>285964903So mad
>>285964927Again, it's retarded tourists like you who make this place shit. Just kill yourself, you're too dumb to ever post something people will want to engage with.
>>285964929he's clearly being disingenuous, imagine falling for bait this hard
>>285964521>that cope againAnon, Bulma practically invited Vegeta to fuck with her in front of Yamcha when they were still a couple, and that wasn't even her first attempt to have sex with another man despite having a boyfriend. There's also Maron's brutal cucking on Krillin, which you could argue is filler, but it's still part of DBZ.That's how normalized NTR was in the 80s and 90s; it could be used for plot points or jokes, but people really didn't care.
>>285959006>>285959244>>285959889You seem to moreso be mad that people don't fall in step with your disdain for whatever show it is you're getting mad about, and instead of talking to people who like shows you like, you just come here and get upset.
>>285965014Forgot pic
>>285959006Post your top 10 favourite anime
>>285962088I didn't get Paranoia Agent until I started working a shitty retail job, then it hit me hard
>>285965014>There's also Maron's brutal cucking on Krillin, which you could argue is filler, but it's still part of DBZ.What happened?
I don't understand why people are so averse to criticism, your favorite show being flawed is not the end of the world.Isn't it fun to think deeply about what you just watched and whether everything in the story makes sense and fits neatly together? And if it doesn't, you can think about how you would change it. I don't like mindlessly trashing things other people like but not being able to say anything other than blind praise (which nowadays takes the form of dumb zoomer lingo most of the time) is fucking boring. Are people allergic to thinking now or what?
>>285965263She basically dumped him abruptly for chad with car.
>>285960903Nearly every anime /a/ talks about is a late night anime. You should consider that the default. You sound like you have no idea what you're talking about, so much so that you proudly display yourself as an idiot.
>>285959006The exact opposite is more prevalent and more annoying.In the olden days of 80s tape trading autism the measure of an anime fan was how many titles they’ve managed to track down and see. The people who were overly critical of anime were outsiders, usually the Looney Tunes/Disney autists who were stuck in the 40s, similar to Miyazaki. Normalfags didn’t even know what anime was besides Astro Boy/Gigantor/Voltron/Robotech and MAYBE Akira.In the 90s that only shifted somewhat, you had the Pokemon kiddos who didn’t know any better, and the surface dweller toonamibabs who only jerked off the same 20 shows/movies. Hardcore anime fans were still measured by quantity and appreciation.In the 00s, /a/ were the new kids on the block, bucking the cel only muh 80s/90s only crowd by staying on top of the new anime coming out. We had to resist the shonen jump/Toonami onlies and carry the torch forward for the wider world of anime.Sometime in the mid 2010s (2013-2015) /a/ became what it was against, adopting the YouTuber fandom “criticism” ethos that pervaded wider “nerd” culture because shitting on media was seen as entertainment (AVGN/Nostalgia Critic/RLM -> Cinemasins -> Anitube).The surface dwellers are annoying tourist idiots, but worse than this is the anti-fan who thinks of themselves as a critic (emulating bad faith entertainment reviews) and attempts to increase their status by the amount of anime they claim to dislike. The “I hate almost everything that makes me cool” crowd is just the mirror image of the anti-anime normalfags before them.
>>285965263Third worlders obsessed with NTR who think being dumped is the same as being cucked being given internet access is what happened.
>>285965304It really depends on the anime. There are so many "bad" anime that just get shit on constantly while actually having a lot of reasons to like it (even with the flaws). In the same breathe people will refuse to acknowledge the flaws in "good" or "popular" anime.
>>285965304>Isn't it fun to think deeply about what you just watchedThe OP talking about his criticism being rejected has already admitted he hasn't watched the shows he criticizes These tourists never talk constructively about how a show could be changed because they don't even watch them
>>285961889In what fucking way is 4chan social media, if everyone is anonymous?
>>285965567>the girl who was your girlfriend a minute ago, just got into another guy's car half-naked without looking at your face after you were running and screaming for her>that doesn't make you a cuckI know it makes you seethe when people point out that your favorite series has elements you deeply hate, but sometimes it's better to suppress that anger than to come across as a delusional retard.
>>285959006>One Piece fans just feel like a fucking psyoplol they've always been that way even 15 years ago
A large majority of anime criticism comes from people who:>A: Are fundamentally incompatible with what the anime is trying to do. Therefore, their only feedback is “don’t make art about this” or “be something else”.>B: Refuse to consider the anime is the way it is on purpose and not on accident. Every aberration from their expectation is a flaw. They have no curiosity or interest in treating a work as something to wrestle over and adapt to. A refusal to participate.>C. Intentionally bad faith mischaracterizations, either to bait people or to justify feelings they don’t understand in themselves.The rare criticism that exists beyond that tend to come from fans of a work critiquing the thing they like, working as armchair editors rather than a judge/executioner, and that’s where interesting negative feedback almost always comes from.
>>285966934What gets me is when people don't give an anime a chance to explain itself before crying about things not making sense or plot holes
>>285967289And the next level beyond that is not everything in every circumstance needs to be explained. Sometimes being left with questions is okay.
>>285967289What gets me is that most anime is incredibly unsubtle by design and will have characters directly explain the themes and messages in dialogue every step of the way so there's never really a reason these random expectations should appear in the first place
>>285967679Usually true, and the shows that intentionally don’t spell everything out get unfairly categorized as pretentious or lolrandum.
>>285964531Kek, I just noticed that he's a Nadia fan, a series where the main heroine tried to suck off some random guy after more than 30 episodes of developing feelings for the MC. Literally the only reason she didn't drop the MC for that random guy was because he was about to get married and was loyal to his girlfriend.
>>285967871It's almost like their teenagers or something.
>>285959006>why are things not as good as when I was a kid?Ok boomer
The NTR sensitivity framework on /a/ is a runoff artifact of Japanese Otaku, not an invention of hispanic anime fans. It’s understandable in the context of VNs and romance anime but it’s somewhat gotten out of hand when applied unilaterally to every anime.
>>285967972While this form of nostalgia psychosis exists among media fans, the instant dismissal of the idea that some things have declined over time (or have been traded away for other forms of appeal) is just as much of a psychosis, and it’s lazy.
>>285967907I mean, yeah, I'm not saying anything against it, it's just funny to see people complaining about current anime for something that used to be common back in the day, but practically doesn't exist outside of porn these days.
>>285968094Also difference between character might cheating or cheating off screen vs character watching their girlfriend getting fucked.
>>285968243Nobody wants to see that.
