>While data shows that over 40% of general e-store users "do not purchase even one book per year, " over 80% of BL fans purchase "at least one book per month." Furthermore, half of these fans purchase "six or more books per month (at least one per week)," demonstrating that they are a customer group with an extremely high purchasing desire, buying books as if they were breathing. >Teenagers are the ones who prefer physical books>The top reasons given were "I want to have the physical book, not just digitally," "I want the bonus items," and "I want to collect them." For BL fans, paper books are not just a medium for information, but also have a strong aspect of being "goods to show off your favorite characters." There are also comments such as "I want to make an altar" and "I want to display them as interior décor," and the act of owning them has become entertainment in itself. >Animate, which came in first place, received an overwhelming number of votes , and together with Comicomi Studio, which came in second, they accounted for about 70% of the total.https://note.com/fujoshimarke_lab/n/n7a4d590fb462Why do fujos buy the most when 80% of other fans don't even buy one book a year. what's stopping any of you from new books?
>Jump series no longer have hits for fujoshi since 2020! The correlation between BL and content for female otaku https://note.com/fujoshimarke_lab/n/nefd4527e0869this is also an interesting read that i think many people agree with
Physical takes up space and would involve added cost/difficulty shipping. Bonuses are an unavoidable loss most of the time when they can be in a single store for a limited time.
>>286042309this is saying most people don't buy books in general ebook or physical.
God I wish fujoshi dominated me
I don't read LN. So I do not buy them.I read manga and prefer HQ digital to be read on a large tablet. If I buy it it's the JP version in the hopes that better supports the mangaka and contibutes to the manga's perceived popularity by the magazine that publishes it. I do not read (((DRM))) content. I would not even spit on (((DRM))) content.I buy (((DRM))) content solely for reasons stated above.I do not buy physical manga because the page crease is ass but, more importantly, because it is shit quality printing, binding and materials. To hold it is to develop hand cancer.I read books and buy good quality hardbacks. Not ass quality ones, either old or new but good quality ones on nice thick paper.
>>286042356It's saying digital ebooks is becoming saturated and that teenagers especially girls prefer paper so they are the ones that are always buying to have physical versions with extra stuff
>>286042285Yumes are unironically eating fujoshi alive.
>>286042183Because the very act of classifying yourself as a BL fan has a higher barrier of entry. They are an actually gatekept audience unlike pretty much every other group. Of course when 80% of the "fans" in your genre are frauds who just pretend to like it for some external reason then you won't be seeing much sales.
>mfw only obsessed enough to buy one book
>>286042701yeah that's part 2. the first part is how much fujos buy compared to other consumers but i'll take it you didn't read the article
I thought it was common knowledge that fujos are based and actually put their money where their mouth is.
>>286042183My Japanese is too shit to read books without pictures and I wish I were joking.
>>286042183Fujo bucks strong
>>286042552I solely read library books somebody already spit on.
>>286042183Men don't shop at book stores because they get all their "books" at comiket.
>>286042183women are bigger consoomers than men.more news at 11.
>>286043645>comiketfujos have events every weekend through akaboo while 'mens' events are 2x at comiket.
>>286042183women are more inclined to waste money on frivolous purchases. that has been true since the birth of mankind, there's no reason to find this information surprising
>>286043645>>286043686Also comiket was started by fujos.
>作家を応援したいからWhat kind of reasoning is that? Do they think the author gets nothing from digital sales?
>>286044082OMG LOOK AT HOW MUCH BL I BUY I AM SO QUIRK CHUNGUSCant do that with digital
>>286042183And water is wet, the anime and mnaga industry is mainly consumed by women.
>>286044108A large portion of BL is sold only digitally.
>>286042183>>While data shows that over 40% of general e-store users "do not purchase even one book per year, " over 80% of BL fans purchase "at least one book per month." Furthermore, half of these fans purchase "six or more books per month (at least one per week)," demonstrating that they are a customer group with an extremely high purchasing desire, buying books as if they were breathing.>>Teenagers are the ones who prefer physical books>>The top reasons given were "I want to have the physical book, not just digitally," "I want the bonus items," and "I want to collect them." For BL fans, paper books are not just a medium for information, but also have a strong aspect of being "goods to show off your favorite characters." There are also comments such as "I want to make an altar" and "I want to display them as interior décor," and the act of owning them has become entertainment in itself.>>Animate, which came in first place, received an overwhelming number of votes , and together with Comicomi Studio, which came in second, they accounted for about 70% of the total.>https://note.com/fujoshimarke_lab/n/n7a4d590fb462>Why do fujos buy the most when 80% of other fans don't even buy one book a year. what's stopping any of you from new books?this interesting phenomenon can be easily explained with the following:●men like shitposting and women like readingask yourselves, /a/, when was the last time a femanon shitposted here?●men like battleboarding (visual) and women like mystery (reading)books are bad at describing action while great at describing thoughts. a quick example of this is re zero: the anime onlies are waifufags and battleboarders, and for that reason they often misunderstand subaru's character. meanwhile the fujos had read the novels and it shows●seniorityjust like women wear expensive clothes to show off, fujos will instictually buy more books to show off. although this is more of a selfish kind of showing off (those altars)
>>286044082Exclusive bookstore bonuses. They're probably buying multiple copies.
>>286044082the author?pfff
>>286044272That's already the second spot and digital bonuses also exist.Even if you want to buy multiple copies you can do that with digital, either by using multiple stores or by purchasing the books as gifts.
>>286042183women make like 80 percent of all purchases, this applies to fujos too
>>286042183Fujos and Yumes hard carry a series so much its not even funny. Idol fags a close second.
>>286044325>>286044325>women make like 80 percent of all purchaseswe should sell ourselves desueasy
>>286044350>we should sell ourselves desuif you can pull it off being a host is very profitable
>>286044350kill yourself
>>286042183You do have an altar for your favorite right anon?
>>286043004i literally had to go to the site because you didn't bother posting all of it despite not being that big
Fujos have to fight to have a fujo place. Not that it really does anything at the end, to cater to fujo is seen as a sign of desperation and as soon as the money comes in they flip over and pretend that it meant nothing and cater to men using that money instead.So, its nothing to worry about if you're a guy/yume because the money that goes into buying yaoi books will end up being used to make ecchi fanservice. It sucks if you're a fujo though.
>>286044490>kill yourself*no-sells it*
>>286044524>he didn't the article
>>286042183This is why BL gets entire floors dedicated to it in bookstores while yuri will get at best a handful of shelves
>>286044142>what is crystal cafe
>>286042183I wonder how does it compare to manga being sold in the West. I'd wager the West would have a far larger percentage dedicated to physical sales than Japan. But, I have no idea by how much fujos will dominate the manga buyership base.
AT least in Japan they are the one group that shoplifts the most and because bookstores from japan are starting to remove BL section, such sales likely don't offset the constant shoplifting, anyways eastern females in general also only shoplift less than black Americans
>>286044860Western fujo are weird and crazy, half of them are secretly yume and are only into cuntboys and pregnancy.Its surprising that its not that popular with men given its just TS.
Girls invest their money in the books they like. I can't blame the industry for catering to them. Good for them
>>286043837it's probably some bird-like instinct.
>>286044930>half of them are secretly yume and are only into cuntboys and pregnancy.I don't see these people buying manga as much. It seems they're way too into fanfiction, danmei, or western shit. So I don't think they should be counted with regards to manga sales.
>>286044930>only into cuntboys and pregnancy
>>286042183Which makes Japanese publishers' pants-shitting fear of ever greenlighting BL manga longer than 2 volumes even more ridiculous. They have an audience of mega-whales and are content to let them slip away to Chinese and Thai works instead of capitalizing.
>>286044136you'd be surprised how often that changes though.
>>286044887>AT least in Japan they are the one group that shoplifts the mostIs there proof of this? I've seen complaints and removal of BL sections because of the raunchy covers being next to more kid-friendly stuff.
>>286045039Where do you see Chinese or Thai BL works sold in Japan?
>>286045039Pic related.
>>286045185anon... they translated them. i wish i took pictures but danmei is definitely being sold in stores like animate
>>286045216Danmei isn't comics.
>>286045240are you esl?
>>286044984We buy dakimakura, doujinshi, and figures and are in no position to judge
>>286045212People still follow artists who do long stories though, with danmei at least. They'll follow them regardless of length or premise if its by an author who wrote a story they liked.
>>286045282The claim was that Japanese BL manga is largely limited to one or two volumes and Chinese and Thai works are displacing them. But Danmei isn't comparable to BL so the whole idea is retarded.
>>286045307only a few buyfags do it, and even they usually don't max out multiple credit cards for their merch
>>286045338I agree that this is a retarded Japanese model, but I'm saying that this is the excuse/reasoning they give.
>>286045376>only a few buyfags do it>am fudan>own daki, figures, and doujinhmm
>>286043837As we all know true otaku (ye olde Akihabara cornerstone type) live off vibes alone.
>>286045039Aren't Thai BL live-action? Japs do have BL live-action but maybe they're not as daring.
>>286042183If there are 10 fujos total and half buy 5 a month while the rest buy 1 per month that's 30 total. If there are 1000 regular users and half buy 1 per month and the others buy nothing that's 500 total. Percentages of how much they buy is irrelevant because the numbers they are starting with aren't even.
>>286045039Wasn't there an article a while back about how BL publishers fucking hate fujoshi and think women are stupid and so refuse to clear anything other than plotless porn? 2+ volume manga is a pipe dream in conditions like that.
>>286042183>>286042771>While data shows that over 40% of general e-store users "do not purchase even one book per yearIt's not even 80%, it's only 40%.
>>286045806>BL publishers fucking hate fujoshi and think women are stupidOn the one hand, based. On the other hand, don't most corpo-types feel that way about the "otaku"/enthusiast segment of their consumer base? Feels like they despise the die-hards and actively try not to create content that might appeal to them.
>>286042183>women like porn booksLiterally anyone could have told you this.
I think the relative scarcity of actual and implied BL (compared to implied/real yuri and hetero) is what drives a lot of fujos, if we talk about merch buying and such. They usually stick to one specific pairing for years and more often than not the characters it consists of aren't even MCs so there is barely any merch. Because of that they buy everything they can get hold of and spend their time with fanart drawing and/or collection. Compare that to female fanservice. Girls are everywhere and usually in the limelight of their respective shows, they also get a lot of merch and usually a happy end or canon love interest. A fan would be satisfied so there is no reason to waste ones energy by digging holes in the desert in order to find water since you already live at a lake.
>>286042183Mem tend to value their money much more so they purchase rarely.Meanwhile fujos are retarded women that spend all their money on impulse
>>286044887I'm having trouble understanding this post because you contradict yourself halfway through.
>>286047662Have you seen buyfag threads?
>>286047662>>>/a/buyfag would tell you that's absolutely not true
>>286047662Aren't men more likely to be gamblers, which calls for impulsive behavior?
>>286047776i was about to say... the amount of times i see "shit i po'd for the ass/boobs/loli" is higher than "i po because i like the series"
>>286047750Seems like retard babble, he's probably just longing for someone to call him based for hating on women and ni... ningens of the dark variety.
>>286047662Men tend to play chess.Meanwhile women play checkers.
>>286042183Japanese girls are like, the demographic with the highest rate of excess consumption in the entire world.
>>286047927I can see gachafags being worse than that, and most gachas aren't catered to Japanese women.
>>286044853Dead as fuck
>>286047995Gacha are like chess while books are like checkers
>>286047995There's a few that cater to women and they dominate in sales because it's that or nothing.
>>286042183Women buy 80% of the books in the west too, they just like reading books more than men.
>>286048781Every time I go to the library I feel like the young adult section is 80% romance novels or some kind of adventure with romance elements, isn't this the opposite of fujos who only buy a lot because they only get scraps?
>>286048969are you confused about the meaning of fujo newfag?
>>286048579Yep. Hence my statement,>*most* gachas aren't catered to Japanese women.>There's a few and they dominate in salesI can only think of LADS and Project Sekai catering strongly to women (though the latter is ~60% women). Both of these dropped off in popularity in recent times iirc. Genshin is male majority so I don't count it. Are there any that I'm missing that currently dominate the general gacha market while also being for women? It seems to be dominated by men no matter where I look regarding sales.
>>286049010How would I know you're talking about fujos and manga when you wrote women and reading
>>286049033twst, tourabu, love and deep space i honestly can't think of any in recent times but genshin absolutely has a huge female fanbase however it was eaten by ZZZ
>>286049217>ZZZ>female fanbaseHaven't they pretty much only released girls in the past year? I never see anyone talk about the guys. I think in terms of omnipandering stuff arknights has a lot of female fans that are very vocal about the male units.
>>286049397all i know is the fujo fanbase for those male characters is so big i don't even know any of the fem names but i know phainaon and shit
>>286049217>genshin absolutely has a huge female fanbaseUsed to be closer to 50/50, but now it's like 65% male iirc>eaten by ZZZ75% maleUnfortunately, the answer as to why you can't think of any more recently popular female-targeted gachas is probably because the female gacha players either moved on, or got absorbed into male-dominated gachas after introducing new characters for them. However, the ratios post-aborption still leans heavy male. Not sure if it's a good or bad thing.
>>286049522>phainaonThat's star rail not ZZZ, but you're right, star rail has a bigger female fanbase than genshit.
>>286049655i can't tell the difference between the series, my bad then, yes star rail
>>286047750where's the contradiction?>eastern women are the the group that shoplifts the most in Japan>black americans shoplift the most in America
>>286049833what do black people =/= asian womencompletely different demographics. do i need to say japanese men shoplift pokemon cards more than white women?
>>286049979that's a non sequitur if anything, not a contradiction
>>286047662Why did /a/ got infested with braindead /pol/tards? 50+ replies and no one can't reply with actual otaku insight and just a bunch of losers "le woman bad i'm not le based guys xD".
>>286050102because the decent people went and got lives. it left all the forever alone radicalized /pol/tards and fujos
>>286047794>Aren't men more likely to be gamblers, which calls for impulsive behavior?Yes this thread is delusional. Gatcha must not be spending or something.
>>286050102the otakus went to /vg/ or /vt/, i actually recognized some of them there
>>286047662Buddy, all the gacha whales are male. I've been in many threads where the whales had all the characters at max and they said it was cheap because it only cost 10,000 dollars to get all of them. Christ.
>>286042183These are all women in their late 20's to 40's
>>286050579>Data mentions teenagers and their interest in preferring physical media to digital.>"These are all women in their late 20's to 40's"
>>286049217The ratio of male to female players in kusoge like genshin is at least like 80% to 20%. Furthermore, women don't spend money on gacha and so the often gachas won't release any male units, especially in the chinky gachas where there can be as many as 5 times the number of female characters to 1 male character. By the time a male character releases all the female players can get that unit for free. The amount that a gacha earns off a female banner versus a male banner can be as much as 20 million USD less if they sell a male character, because males only roll for females and they spend a huge uncontrollable amount on gacha.>>286049033LADS revenue is actually a lot lower than it appears. The reason is because monthly PVP rankings for gacha are influenced by iOS spend. It's a 1.75x multipler on CN apple iOS spend. In chinkland, women basically exclusively use iOS. However, as much as 60-70% of revenue can come from PC and store sales rather than iOS so compared to gacha like genshin, the amount of earnings will be a lot less.It's a well known fact that women buy cheap physical goods while men prefer to whale super hard on kusoge
>>286050696yes the older generation prefer digital medium
>>286050713>women don't spend money on gacha[citation needed]
>>286049522I think female gacha players tend to be more yumejo/otome than fujo.
>>286050713>women don't spend money on gacha>release 10 female units girls don't roll for>release 1 male>girls unleash their hoarded stash to max out their husbando>repeatI wonder why girls aren't whaling????
>>286042442Honestly, you probably have a better chance with fujos than the general population of women if you want to be dominated. With the overlap I've seen, the fujo to femdom pipeline must be real. Lusting after submissive boys is something they're already used to because of BL, and it's just one more step to want to be the one doing the dominating. Same thing with anal so don't be surprised if they peg you.
>>286042183>women in japan keep bookstores alive by buying yaoislop>women in the west keep bookstores alive by buying raperomanceslopkek
>>286042183>Fujoshi dominate bookstore purchasesWhat happened to pedophiles?
>>286051893Not included in the survey because because comparing one niche group against another wouldn't give the author the results they want.
>>286044082Know how physical has purchase bonuses? Those are not arbitrary. The more bonuses a book get, the more resources and priotization a series get at that point in time from the publishers and book stores. Getting nothing or only ceremonial bonuses is a bad sign. Fans swiping stores clean for bonuses signals to the power that be they should continue backing the series.Also the creator put time into making these bonuses. It's no different than bringing goods to doujin markets to sell, except official. It'd suck for them to not be able to sell those.
>>286050102>>286047662I spend not much compared to some anons in /buyfag/ however I buy around $5k a year in merchandise from Amiami/Amazon JP. Usually loli figures, anime and moege I like, cast offs, oc's from ecchi artists I like etc. I am a man and most of /buyfag/ is male. Men spend plenty of money on otaku hobbies. I don't think the anons are /pol/ either, I am tired of seeing people say everyone is /pol/ or reddit or twitter or whatever boogieman in your head. But there you go.
>>286053568if you can't understand why that anon's message is valid criticism then i really have to say you've been here chronically enough that it's normalized for you
>>286053606It's not that, I recognize the misogyny. It's that I do not care. You could of reported and ignored but instead you soapboxed just like the other anon.
>could ofConfirmed for having an IQ lower than his life expectancy
>i don't care so it's not /pol/>still replieslol, lmao
>>286044887Fujos shoplift? Why? Don't they make it a point to spend money to show support such as buying multiple of the same volume?
>>286053692N
>>286053568being a pedophile is /pol/
>>286053787Not going to look it up, but shoplifting seems like it just a thing teen girls sometimes do to be edgy. Its the female version of fucking around with dead animals and causing mischief ig.
>>286053787The anon never provided proof of this claim, so take it with a grain of salt.
>>286047662I dunno, shit like sports betting and shitcoins scams are all common traps guys seem to fall into.
>>286042183>>286042285>>286042309The most important thing is that yuri is not as big a presence as this board had thought
>>286044142>ask yourselves, /a/, when was the last time a femanon shitposted here?Well how are you supposed to know nigga
>>286054336we're all little girls here
>>286054332go to any regular bookstore in japan and youll find yuri is less than 1% of the books available unless you go to a specialty or pop up shop. bl usually has 1-3 complete rows.
>>286053606>you've been here chronically enoughHeaven forbid! Anything but spending time on 4chan!Go back.>>286053637>could of reported>could of"Could have", nigger.>reporting someone for that postDouble nigger.>>286050102>just a bunch of losers "le woman badHey retard, "3DPD" and the concept of "real women bad" has been a thing on /a/ longer than you've been sapient and was never associated with /pol/. Instead of crying about someone making a retarded claim that's so easily refuted a child could do it, maybe be the change you want to see in the world and tell them why what they're posting is retarded. It won't change their mind, but it'll make you look like less of a little bitchass letting /pol/ live rent-free in your head. Why you people even browse 4chan is beyond me.
>>286054470>it'll make you look like less of a little bitchassunironically your post makes you look more of one yourself
Imagine defending a site staffed by brown tranitors with three inch boyclitties
>>286054470>>286054590You are anonymous, why do you care about how you look on the anonymous image board?
>>286042285>Mobile game listI thought yume100 was a yume game, or was that just an unfortunate titleAlso I knew they were there, but it is kind of funny they list project sekai as a fujo game since there's only 6 dudes (2 being the vocaloids) while there's 20 women. I guess a lot of vocaloid fans are girls in the first place, but it makes me wonder why they went basically all in on girl groups then.
>>286050102Anyone with sense knows that OP is bait and avoids the inevitably ass thread. That's why everyone here is retarded.
>>286054332Everybody knew that BL was huge while GL is next to nothing. You'd have to live in a complete bubble to think otherwise.
>>286054846especially you?
>>286054846i actually wanted to discuss purchasing trends but apparently people see fujoshi and sperg out
>>286054846>OP is baitMaybe I'm shit at detecting these things, but while the OP seemed low effort (which resulted in these low effort responses,) it doesn't sound like bait. This could've easily been spun into some politically retarded observation like >286047662 did for maximum (you)s.
>>286054956fujo's have a bad reputation and are generally rabid and unpleasant
>>286054970>low effort;_; i even posted some of the article
>>286054970Yeah, maybe bait isn't the right word. "Attractive nuisance" isn't very catchy but that's the best I can do. Maybe a variation on "concern trolling"?
>>286054332Absolutely no one but yurifags thought that.
Aren't yumes cannibalizing fujos?
>>286054970It's clearly bait. It's taking a statement out of context to antagonize people. Bait 101.
>>286055053>>286055185I really think it's because people saw the word fujo and seeing anything related to actual women makes people have to shitpost rather than have a discussion. You as well are offering low quality posts rather than just ignoring the thread if you thought it was bait to begin with. Instead you're continuing to derail a thread.I can offer you an alternative question then, why do you think women tend to buy and collect more items than men? While the bonus do factor in to manga buying especially for new books , what makes women want to purchase more doujin, manga (physical or otherwise), and merch. It's not for displaying much either as most otaku store their things in special boxes or sleeves now made for this purpose or choose itabags. they're not really selling much of it to various 2nd shops because i had a hard time find several bl manga author's books. Why was there always multiple people in the BL section, especially at new bookstores like animate while in places like bookoff you had an even split between bl and seinen/older manga in comparison. Why are most collab cafe centered around women, yes even the anime/game collabs featuring women are included in this
>>286055049Posting the wrong percentage and asking "what's stopping you from doing this?" at the end isn't the most thought-provoking post that's been read over carefully. But I get the attempt.
>>286055308>why do you think women tend to buy and collect more items than men?they don't
>>286055313i had a dyslexia moment when writing because i was actually sure i typed 40 but it doesn't really matter since most people don't even bother reading the article themselves nor even read anything but the title when looking at some of these posts
>>286055092Can confirm even they didn't think that.
>>286055376okay then post your proof or explain why you think this way
>>286055413Bishoujo figures dominate, bishoujo dakis dominate, bishoujo merchandise dominates
>>286055308Where the hell are you getting the idea that women buy more manga than men?
>>286055308Not that anon, but I think men just tend to gravitate towards collecting toys and electronics more.
>>286050102Why do retarded tourists like you come here and think it's a reddit friendly board?
>>286055385I commend you for pulling through then and attempting to circle back to the topic on 4chan of all places kek.In the spirit of keeping the topic going via doujinshi and BL, here is a blog from a Korean-American talking about her experience in creating Japanese BL doujin, then manga. https://breezebl.wordpress.com/ She stresses and details how important it is that you'll get scouted via original-doujin events if you're planning to make BL. Doujins are a portfolio for publishers, and it seems nearly impossible to start your BL career without one. This isn't as important to other genres, which may hint a part as to why BL leans shorter and more suggestive than most genres.
>>286055637Sometimes you just have to keep going and push through the shitposting.I actually have an anecdote to this. those original (and fan) doujin events often have editors from various publishers who will meet with you, look at your work, and give you tips or advice on publishing. a lot of the booths will be empty for a bit while they meet with those people. It's really interesting. I may have listened in on a few people without being obvious (hopefully) and a few of the editors mention things like character design and paneling in the small part i was able to listen to and understand. It's why a lot of doujin authors seemingly improve suddenly as they have a quick meeting with an industry professional
>>286055734samefag but kek. first thing i do is click on the website and it brings up the same editorial thing i was talking about
>>286053692Upvoted
>>286055637>linkActually a pretty cool blog.
>>286042183What's even being written for young men these days? It seems to me if they're not into mainstream fantasy or mystery slop, guys aged 18-25 usually turn to the classics.
>>286056508Manga and LNs, which board do you think this is?
