I used to enjoy dragon ball fights, but these days I'm just so bored. Like even are the stakes?
looks cool
I think you should kill yourself but there are no stakes there either.
>>286426295Violence on screen helps me cope with life.
>>286426295stakes in a predetermined outcome story? Did you lose money by betting on the ending of jjk and now youre upset with stories?
>>286426295once you accept that all stakes are fake because all fiction is scripted, you can appreciate the art of spinning a yarn
>>286426415>I enjoy pretty colors
>>286426653You concept of stakes is not the same as I have.Narrative stakes are things you believe can happen in the universe.So, for example, James Bond's movies have no narrative stakes because the story literally can't progress if James Bond dies, and yet they have their cake and eat it too by constantly putting him in danger.At least Dragon Ball understood it, and while death is just a temporary inconvience its still something.
>>286426674the main character always wins in the end in all but a statistically insignificant number of cases
>>286426881That's not the issue. You missed the point completely.The issue isn't something happening; it's baiting that something could happen, that narrative can't happen because What I'm saying narrative stakes and in-universe stakes need to be in balance.E.g. if the villain's goal is to destroy the universe, there no real stakes, because that plan cannot succeed as it would end the story. But if the goal is more grounded, like nuking Australia, it can happen, because the rest of the world still exists.
fun
>>286426653Turn out that "steak"fags are no different than powerlevel fags.
>>286426674>Narrative stakesarent real and never have been. the outcome isnt a stake(gamble)
>>286427146the only things that can happen are the things the writer writes as happening. There's no meaningful distinction to be found between your inability to imagine death and your inability to imagine destructionYou can't even imagine a fun conversation to have with anonymous cunts on 4chan
>>286426295fun things are fun
>>286427146>What I'm saying narrative stakes and in-universe stakes need to be in balance.>E.g. if the villain's goal is to destroy the universe, there no real stakes, because that plan cannot succeed as it would end the storyMultiverses. Checkmate.
>>286426674Defending dragon ball because it has temporary death is dumb. It’s insulting suns the series tries to make a big deal out of a death when we know death is irrelevant because you can’t say he’s get wished back to life. I’d rather have the character not die in the first place than the series pretend to have an impactful emotional death
>>286427203 you’re getting hung up on the literal definition of “stake” like this is a vegas sportsbook.narrative stakes aren’t about the outcome being metaphysically uncertain, they’re about the audience not feeling like the author is jerking them around. it’s the difference between “how will he survive this?” and “lol he’ll asspull again.”obviously the writer decides everything. that’s not some galaxy brain revelation. the tension comes from internal consistency and consequences. if a story trains you that actions matter, you stay invested. if it trains you that nothing sticks, you stop caring.it’s not about gambling on the ending, it’s about whether the ride feels like it could cost something inside its own rules. if your universe runs on saturday morning cartoon logic, don’t expect people to clench when the villain says “this time it’s serious guys.”
>>286426295A man that can't appreciate the art of combat for its own sake isn't much of a man.
>>286427225Still missing the fucking point.How dense are you?
>>286426674>James Bond's movies have no narrative stakes because the story literally can't progress if James Bond diesJames Bond literally died in the last movie and it fucking sucked.
This post reminds me of the people who complain when an album is enjoyable to listen to instead of being 2 hours of harsh noise and drone
>>286427756You can keep your manhood psyop, thanks. They tried to use this exact same line on me when everyone was into football and cars while I watched anime instead, knew it was bullshit then.
You are a woman.Men thrive one violence even morally right ones.
>>286428558>>286428541
Fate Strange/Fake is everything people claim JJK to be: Fighting for fightings sake with a nonsensical, pitiful "plot" to keep the illusion of a story afloat.Why do people pile up on JJK when it blows other concurrent battle shonen out of the water when it comes to story involvement? If the populos allegedly only cares about flashy fightfaggotry, why is Jigokuraku being buried?The truth is that it still requires a solid plot for them to care about and JJK undeniably has it.
>>286429014after shibuya everything went to shit and all the characters are also shit
>>286426295Do you ask the same questions during, say, John Wick or Bloodsport? The appreciation of the art of combat, the choreography, the emotional resolution to an unjust situation, the show of a martial artist's mastery of their craft, the technical accomplishment to depict a fight in a captivating way, be it camerawork & stuntwork or storyboarding & animation are all things that may let you enjoy the action genre. This goes for both live actin and animation. If you have trouble comprehending something so basic, then /a/ is not the place to seek answers from.
>>286429213>Do you ask the same questions during, say, John Wick or Bloodsport?yes, I don't watch that slop
>>286429014why does all jjk discussion lack correct and intelligent post like this? every single day people will say "jjk is the most shallow shounen fightslop for aurafarming children and LITERALLY has NO story and NO characters and things just happen for NO REASON" and no one says anything.>>286429168no it didn't. shibuya is just like a 9/10 payoff of a the entire story coming to an apex, and the culling games is just the 8/10 second half of the story. again jjk is not perfect but why do the most bland retarded people hatefarm and regurgitate the same shallow nonsense criticisms?
>I lack testosterone
>>286429686>shibuya is just like a 9/10 payoff of a the entire story coming to an apex, and the culling games is just the 8/10 second half of the story.Based and true. Especially those who are really invested in the greater plot are being served well with the Culling Games. It has lore of the past, an expansion of the power system reaching its maximum potential, it finally includes the world outside of Japan etc. All concepts that are much more interesting than betting on who is stronger, and it rewards those who think along and aren't just waiting for the author to tell them how to feel. Part of me wants to suggest that Shibuya is so beloved by everyone is that it's the easiest arc to follow and understand, in a way. The moment shit hits the fan it's just non-stop fighting between the strongest.
