pacifism doesn't mean christianity. why can't christian anime fans differentiate between a good cause and a religious ideology? that's why they hate on vinland saga because thorfinn follows a path of absolute pacifism even though he don't believe in jesus and christianity
>>287284301they should have drowned thorfinn in a swamp
>>287284318people like thorfinn makes this world a better place. why would anyone wanna kill him?
>>287284301Trigun did everything Vinland Saga did better, while being actually entertaining and more thematically sound.
>>287284301No that's not it at allI'm a Christian anime appreciator and I hate on this because it's deranged nonsense by a man who hates you for disagreeing with his worldview I'm not even a pacifist, absolute pacifism is against my religious beliefs
christians hate vinland saga because it's weak pussy shit where you let evil prosper despite having the capacity to stop itchristians care about making the world a better place so they go on righteous crusades
>>287284334>people like thorfinn makes this world a better placePeople like Thorfinn end up getting murdered along with their families
I'm surprised anyone even still care about this shit considering how the Manga ended.
>>287284351Can you imagine Vinland's author trying to write a character like Wolfwood? He'd be incapable of making him a good person.
Thorfinn was viking Sasuke complete with ninja-running along walls & seething while listening to Linkin Park and then he just poof turned in to a sanctimonious cult leader who lets people get killed because he was le enlightened now and smug in his moral superiority. Thorfinn was a mistake. he was always terrible.
>>287284301You are aware that the real Thorfinn later converted to Christianity and spent the rest of his miserable life as a priest right
>>287284428epilogue is coming soon, all of your doubts will be solved
>>287284488Author's an idiotAll there is to it
>>287284532The real Thorfinn is not related to this propaganda piece
>>287284488I knew the story went to shit when they sidelined Canute when he was a major thematic figure.VS went wrong when it just started being all about thorfinn.
I have no enemies. I love every single person on this planet. We should all be together. If we can't even coexist among our fellow humans, how would we do it when aliens come to our planet?
>I have no enemies.I do not consider any man my enemy. I do not spend my time thinking about how take things from others, or hurt them, or kill them. I spend my time thinking about myself, my family, and my community, and how we can grow to make our lives better, without ever wasting a moment wondering how I could make someone else's life worse.
>>287284429He'd be entirely incapable of it because a character like Wolfwood would shit on Thorfinn's retarded philosophy. Which became the backbone of Vinland Saga after the slave arc. I.e. the last time Vinland Saga was good. A Vinland Saga that actually progressed Thorfinn as a character throughout the entire story would be a completely different manga, made by someone who could recognize that 'Don't fight ever for any reason at all, regardless of what is happening, or if fighting would save someone's life, or even show that you can fight' is a retarded philosophy that doesn't apply to today, much less medieval Europe.>>287284539I remember people coping about this, and then the Volume release came out and there was no epilogue lmao.
Hi Vinland Schizo.Looking to ragebait anons again?
>>287284570>If your solution to some problem relies on "if everyone would just..." then you do not have a solution. Everyone is not going to just. At no time in the history of the universe has everyone just, and they're not going to start now.
Reposting.
>>287284657Using google lens on this greentext has the AI generate an counter-answer to this post. It's interesting to say the least.Part 1/2The image contains a 4chan post presenting a highly critical "hot take" on Thorfinn, the protagonist of Vinland Saga. The anonymous user argues that Thorfinn is a selfish, narcissistic character whose shift from "ultraviolence" to "ultrapacifism" is just another way of avoiding accountability.Here is a breakdown of the argument presented in the post and a look at the broader context of the series.Summary of the Post's ArgumentThe poster makes several aggressive claims to support the idea that Thorfinn is the "villain" or a "bad person":Pointless Violence: He chose to stay with Askeladd’s band and kill innocent people for a revenge quest he could have abandoned at any time.Selfish Penance: His shift to pacifism is framed as a "mindbroken masochist" phase where he forces his self-hatred onto others.Dangerous Idealism: By preaching "total pacifism" and a "fairy-tale country" (Vinland), he leads people into danger but refuses to fight to protect them when things go wrong.Escapism: The poster views both his warrior phase and his pacifist phase as ways to run away from the consequences of his actions.The "True Hero": The post concludes by claiming Askeladd was the actual hero of the story.
>>287284657The problem is that it was written by someone who unironically sees this and thinks "that's what a good person would do"
>>287284681Part 2/2Counter-Perspective: The Theme of RedemptionWhile the poster’s view is a common "cynical" take found in anime circles, it ignores the central philosophical question of Vinland Saga: Is it possible to truly atone for an unforgivable past?Accountability vs. Guilt: Thorfinn doesn't view his pacifism as "running away." In the "Slave Arc," he realizes that he cannot bring back the dead, so his only path forward is to build something that offsets the destruction he caused.The "First Resort" Problem: Thorfinn’s struggle isn't just about not fighting; it’s about his vow to find a "first resort" other than violence. He acknowledges that he is a "bad person" (a recurring internal monologue), which is why he feels he has no right to use violence ever again, even in self-defense.Askeladd as a "Hero": Calling Askeladd the hero is a popular but controversial take. While Askeladd is a charismatic and brilliant strategist, he is also a mass murderer and a manipulator who ruined Thorfinn’s life. He serves more as a deconstruction of the "Viking Hero" than a traditional protagonist.Why this is a "Hot Take"This post is a classic example of media contrarianism. It intentionally flips the intended narrative (Thorfinn's growth from a beast to a man) and reframes it as a character flaw.The author of the manga, Makoto Yukimura, has often stated that the series is a critique of violence in history and fiction. The tension the poster feels—the frustration with Thorfinn's refusal to fight—is actually a deliberate part of the reading experience, meant to make the audience question why we crave violence in our "heroes."Do you anons agree with what the AI is saying?
Thorfinn should have killed Floki.But by that point he was already pussy-I'm sorry a stupid pacifist so he didn't do it.
>>287284681>>287284695>AIKill yourself kill yourself right now go drink all the funny chemicals in your house bathe with a toaster jump off the roof run in the freeway sleep on the train tracks attack a police officer
>>287284301The author has a disgusting philosophy and has to fabricate this absurd story narrative to deliver it. But even in the context of his own crafted story it doesn't work.Thorfinn can only practice his "pacifism" from his unnatural pain tolerance and physical fortitude that he built through combat. It's from a position of strength that he projects his desire for peace. NOBODY can achieve that peacefully, he had to achieve that through violence.Nobody can practice, follow or live up to his example. The author is More "liberal" than he is Japanese, he's a self hating retard who is mind broken by shame for historical grievances. His story is fucking retarded and he loathes his son for pretending a stick is a sword, a natural desire for a boy to learn self defence. The author preaches an ahistorical, nonsense belief in deterring violence and maintaining peace.
>>287284681I really really sincerely hope you kill yourself. What the fuck is wrong with you.
>>287284570give hate a chance
>>287284837What the fuck kind of glue did YOU sniff as a kid?
>>287284860Fantasy?It's very clearly supossed to at least be based on historical reality.
don't caremade me want to exercise good will and good faith for the world and my peers, 4chan is allergic to all of those things and extremely conceited so its only natural that they will hate themes like these in their japanese intellecual cartoons
>>287284870Based on but more in style of a myth than realistic real things happening
>>287284872Brother I hated it because it's an absolute failure of everything you just said was good about it
>>287284872Happy it did that for youDosen't change the fact the writing sucks tho
>>287284920The writing sucks because he can't be honest about the subjectGood writing requires honesty, and he chose to write a story about the things he lies to himself about the most
>>287284860>is that a...pacifist???>NOOOOO I WILL SLAP THE SHENANIGANS INTO IT
>>287284301Looking back how the hell is this the same author who wrote the prologe and Askeladd? It feels completely different.
>>287284872Media literacy so bad you started living better after reading a bad story with a bad message.
>>287285001Just my bad guess but 1/3rd of Japan uses Twitter. Back 10 years ago they were getting bombarded with retarded libshit algorithms and a not insignificant amount of Mangakas were mindbroken into acting like bluehairs. This author and witch hat atelier come off like authors who spent too much time in California.
>>287285006I hate the phrase "media literacy" every time I see it some dumbass is using it to argue you're a bad person for disagreeing with their gay ship or calling them out for insisting that Naruto would be a communistBut you actually are correct here, so cheers to that
>>287285037cheers, it's not a bad term, but like you said, retards abused it. reclaiming it is my intention.
>>287285001Honestly it feels like a miracle this man managed to write that first arcBut the signs were thwre from the beginning, if you look for them
>>287284681>>287284695Half of this is just a summary of the post and the other half is just bullshit which is addressed in the post since Thorfinn doesn’t actually make anything better or improve anything. He leads a bunch of people into getting killed by injuns only to fuck off back to Greenland.
>>287285187He didn't even build shit his vinland "paradise" is literally just a bunch of houses,1 arheind statue, and forest, it would have no walls if someone hadn't pointed it out thankfully or else more people would have died.
>>287285231Part of me wonders how he got away with it. You would think that the survivors and or the relatives of the deceased would look for a wergild. The retard led a bunch of people into a shit show and then went back to where he came from. Someone is going to come and kick his ass and they would be 100% within the right for doing it.
>>287285346It because the manga is written so Thorfinn's always right, i was laughing when they were justifying having no walls in enemy territory.
>>287285371It gets to the point this stops being a story and just becomes propaganda
>normal person: i have no enemies>4chan user: everyone is my enemy i should kill everyone because they're all my enemywhy are we like this?
>>287285465It's not even good propaganda, it contradicts itself, on one chapter they are like "a true warrior dosen't use swords", then in another they get attacked by natives using swords.So which is it does violence work or not?
>>287285484Kids these days don't appreciate subtlety and craftsmanship when making a strawman these days, I swearYou all just go "yeah, he's shaped sorta kinda like my opponent. Looks ready ro attack"
>>287285484>appeal to normality>strawman>weProjecting hard here
Manga can never be anything more than cheap shit for children and men-children.Get over it, nerds.
I wonder why no one points out the schizo who makes these thinly-veiled Vinland Saga threads just to strawman anons who criticize it's story and always responds with "nuh-uh, you're retarded" at every point.It's just tiresome. The Schizo who haunts the Demon Slayer threads has more entertainment value.
>>287285764Tell me more? Is he some faggot who got obsessed with it due to it appealing to his midwit sensibilities?
>>287284428honestly people don't hate Vinland Saga's ending enough,even shit like JoJolion ended better
>>287285764midren is trash and the most overrated garbage anime ever made. now cry a river
Absolute pacifism is an absolutely ridiculous ideology and is itself borderline evil.
>>287284301it should have been set in feudal japan when they were cracking down on christianity rather than a place, time and people that the author has at best a surface level understanding of
>>287285967It should have been written after the author got beat up in real life and came back with a brain
