My stories can speak to readers who feel uncertain about themselves" - #WitchHatAtelier author Kamome Shirahama in a recent interview with UNESCO on her influences, how women play a prominent role in the modern day manga industry, and more. https://courier.unesco.org/en/articles/kamome-shirahama-my-stories-can-speak-readers-who-feel-uncertain-about-themselves?utm_source=hootsuite&utm_medium=&utm_term=&utm_content=&utm_campaign=
obsessed schizo
>>287526983No she work for DC and Marvel.
Your point is... what exactly?
>>287527229She going to kill the manga industry from the inside. She working for dc and Marvel.
>>287527347Wait until you get a load of me.
>>287527229OP is a schizo spammer.
>>287527229I don't know about him, but I think that the lolis are great, and that alone makes it AOTY for me.https://litter.catbox.moe/kjtnsp9sersn1awg.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/9chosfh1gv9xoyls.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/6ouhogv42i79t09r.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/to1ymqiei39c7t8v.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/c1935huvcfg2tcpq.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/u8p1ltc60xvcynzl.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/pz633oal6wcl01pc.png
>>287526960The cursed anime adaptation shitposters
>>287527441>>287527389
>>287527389Oh. Boringposter, right? Wasn't he a Solo Leveling shill?
If the anime sells well, then it's the beginning of the end.
>>287526960Saying the series itself is an industry plant is wrong since she didn't even have these views when she started. However she clearly got annoying virtue signaly behavior from Twitter (the Palestine thing is fine, it's the rest that's retarded) and it's clear the UN who went against "problematic" manga in the past see her as a "safe" creator to make use of & say retarded shit like "manga is male-driven">>287527369Yeah western collabs used to be cool, now they're not. Your point?>>287527267They have a really bad track record with manga.
In Jump, WHA would have been axed after 10 weeks.
>>287527267True.
>>287527347Marvel and DC pay great rates to Japs that work with them. They know there's a lot of prestige in working with manga artists. Even back in the 60s, this was a thing. Arguably one of the greatest manga artists ever, Ryoichi Ikegami got his start doing a Spiderman Manga. >>287527550Spiderman: Fake Red was one of the best Spiderman stories of the last 20 years. Now, that isn't a high bar to clear, but the cross-ocean collab was worth it.
>>287527550She did become a industry plant been hang around dc and Marvel too much they push shit into her head.
>Like yourself, more and more women have managed to make their mark in this traditionally male-dominated fieldShe's not created in a lab or whatever and the manga wasn't planned by the UN but you're retarded if you think disingenuous stuff like this (you know very well they're not talking about when most shoujo authors were male eons ago) isn't what they're trying to use to "fix" manga just like they proposed regulations multiple times in the past.
>>287527423Nice.
>>287527550>the Palestine thing is fineWhy? Is it because it's the one you agree with her on?
>>287527644>>287527423Don't care not having the un use her to fuck up the manga industry. I'l was about to read the manga to but after seeing this shit hell no.
>>287527653She was either intentionally avoiding making a political statement or didn't get what they were trying to lead her to saying, because her reply was pretty good at avoiding any great generalizations other than anonymity allowing for greater artistic freedom and the unstable world creating a lot of people with a lot to say.
>>287527546I thought the end has already began
>>287527653Manga is male dominated but not in the way they say. A while ago there was a big drama when it was revealed most editors are male, even from shoujo magazines, and because it was leaked that a Jump guy said "women editors wouldn't understand men's comics anywy" and he was forced to apologize.
>>287526960Donald Trump should invade Japan and get it cancelled by force
>>287527731>AI slop>Despise she being Pro PalestineI see
>>287527707Shoujo being governed by men is half of why the yaoi industry boomed like it did. Because they wouldn't let women draw erotic-tinged romances in mainstream heterosexual shojo magazines (much too improper for school girls!!), so the horny broads were all driven to yaoi mags. Half of it is probably just age. I imagine the average editor trends much older than the average mangaka in a lot of places. And every generation you go back, you have a bigger gender disparity.
>>287527699this is way, way worse than shit trends internally within Japan, and rogue localizers overseas
>>287527667I do but that's irrelevant; what matters to this board it has absolutely zero impact on manga. If she was pro-Israel I'd think that's stupid but I wouldn't take it as evidence she's being used by pro manga regulation people.>>287527707I mean, yeah, given the subject and who they were interviewing it's quite clear what they meant. It's just very stereotypically applying Western complaints about the capeshit industry to a place where it doesn't belong because they want to finger-wag.
>>287526960That article is completely benign, why are people throwing such a hissyfit over it?
>>287527833Because the UN made clear attempts to censor manga before and stuff like "woman authors in a male-driven industry", along with being disingenuous, screams "dogwhistle" given that history.
You could say you don’t like it and move on with your life but you live like this
>>287527585You know very well it's about the views that are rampant in DC/Marvel circles now.
>>287527833>peopleJust a spammer or two.
>>287527860Un has no power to censor anything
>fantasy europe>no cat peopleAre they serious
>>287527866This isn't a shit post you should be worried.
>>287527915I saw a bunch of retards on Twitter seething about this as well, which prompted me to read the actual article which as I said, is entirely benign. The author says nothing controversial at all in the article and the manga itself seems like just ordinary fantasy stuff. Nothing about this warrants the reaction I've seen nor the labels of wha being some "woke propaganda".
>>287526983>>287527229TDLR she is a pro woke person who was one of the people at the UN that campaigned for content restrictions on manga
I started watching Witch Hat Atelier and the magic reminded me of this show, how similar are their magic systems?
>>287527981They keep saying i'm shit posting i'm fucking trying tell this and they don't listen holy fuck.
>>287527981I've seen zero proof of the author advocating for censorship
>>287527966>>287528038>ok so the author acts indiscernibly from really annoying twitter moral watchdogs and openly panders to them and writes scenes attacking "problematic tropes" that twitter gets mad at in her work and is concerned about "sexualization" https://web.archive.org/web/20200811155420/https://twitter.com/shirahamakamome/status/1293031195387650048 and thinks cancel culture doesn't exist https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/239671271/#239679788 and was now picked up by a group that tried to get manga censored in the past while using clear dogwhistles for "the industry needs fixing" but trust me, she would never collaborate with people who want to regulate "harmful expression" in manga
>>287527752She is as propalestine as UNESCO "oh look at these poor children starving, i wonder why its like this, must have been the wind"
>>287528056>links his own post on the archive
>>287528056>mangaka can't have opinions about fanservice etc I disagree with!K. Still not seeing any evidence of her supporting censorship or how wha is supposedly woke propaganda. You just seem like a hysterical retard.
>>287527921You know, you gotta be careful what you ask for. >>287528056So the author isn't allowed to dislike seeing scantily clad women?Why do you want to censor her views?
>>287528056>>287528155See, here's the thing, it isn't even that she dislikes women in scanty clothing. She drew an entire manga where she plays dress up with a pair of super models where one usually has her tits out. What she complained about was that this was an event with a large child audience that was giving the old perverts in the room eye candy.
>>287528155>So the author isn't allowed to dislike seeing scantily clad women?Where did the author say that? I only see the author (if that's the author's xitter account) about some 3D buttocks (???) at a jump event.
>>287528184She used to draw "problematic" stuff, the exact kinda gags Witch Hat Atelier "called out". Pretty obvious her views changed.
For a boring show this gets lots of traction
>>287528128>>287528155If this was an author really into American conservatism who associated with the kind of people who think anime is degenerate & causes transgenderism and needs to be censored, added stuff to their manga knowing that crowd would like it, complained about anime asses, then got interviewed by a conservative think tank known for trying to get "degenerate" manga regulated, would all of you be reacting the same way?Because if so, that would be equally retarded
Where are the lewds?
>>287526960Manga for me
>>287528252You may have posted this ironically, but you are actually cattle, incapable of thought, even your leaders follow those which you hate. Your existence is deeply ironic.
>>287528204Two hot adult women in a magazine for adults is different from what she complained about.
>>287527997The magic system in Owl House is more similar to Warhammer Fantasy though. Only the sigil magic is similar
>>287528269>if you think buddying up with people who want to censor manga is lame you must like conservative leaders>>287528275Nah, she used to do "funny pervert" jokes.
>>287528196I'm just assuming that it was a statue of some ecchi manga chick with an intentionally fat ass. As that sounds like the most likely 'thing'.I don't know what exactly she saw that annoyed her, and google images results for 2020 Jump Fest aren't all that useful.
>>287526960>Like yourself, more and more women have managed to make their mark in this traditionally male-dominated field.This bothers me to no end. She know this ins't true, she sees female mangakas everyday much older than her. Why didn't she say anything? Is appeasing to westerners that important for WHA success?
>>287528310Almost like it was probably nothing worth reasonably getting mad at if it didn't even become a prominent controversy.
>>287528295You're seething like a critical nuclear reactor, but you have provided ZERO proof.You're just feminized cattle outraged by social media posts with equally lacking proof.
>>287528333see>>287528245
>>287528331>we don't know what it was>aha! that proves my point!You are retarded.
>>287528346>seeSee what? There's no content, just a meme tier post about burger politics.>>>/pol/
>>287528352>>287528346
>>287528364So you can't answer because you know you're a hypocrite, gotcha.
>>287528346>>287528365I take it you have no actual proof, or you'd bury me in it right now for doubting your spammed thesis (which you got from being xitter cattle).I accept your concession.
>>287528379>So you can't answerThere was no question.You're mad at me for not being able to provide proof I'm asking for.Your behavior is feminine. Too much xitter.
>this thread
>>287528380>>287528394I literally did >>287528056Do you mean the stuff about the UN trying to push for manga regulation? Holy fuck google it, there's a ton of coverage.Do you mean you don't know about the "deconstructing the funny pervert trope" scene? I thought you read the manga?
>>287528425>>287528056The villains in her manga are literally the Morality Police who mindwipe anyone that breaks the rules. Do you think this speaks to a person that believes in the goodness of state power?
>>287528425Your "proof" is one xitter post and a retweet. They're vague and literally nothing.If she's as radical as you claim she is, surely you can produce more actual proof.
>>287528453Are you actually discussing whether the manga is compatible to the average /pol/ ideology?That's hilarious.
>>287528472I never said she's radical? These are pretty mainstream views.>>287528453>>287528509Funnily enough, /pol/ types claimed to be against the "morality police" while becoming the morality police themselves so that's not a great argument.
>>287527667obviosly?
>>287527731Gojew-sensei...
>>287526960I don't want to think. Should I support or reject the anime?
>>287526960I fucking hate it when hard working successful people have different opinions than me. Why can't this mangaka understand my broke-ass opinions are superior? Maybe if I spend years of my life complaining about it on a cambodian letter exchange forum she'll get the message.
>>287528638Hisashi Eguchi (animator) made a burn against lolicons and I don't give a shit, in fact I found it funny. What do you think the difference of context here is?
Where are the fucking jannies
>>287527731>>287527787>Zionism is so hated now that Zionist agents have to bad-jacket their critics as ZionistsIt's so fucking over for you.
>>287526960Not really, it's just really easy to sell anything 'witchy", because women love template trend slop.
>>287528784try liking a good pro-palestinian author like naoki urasawa next time
>>287527787How mentally ill does one have to be to make this image?
>>287527787pic is stupid but you're right
>>287528871>bunch of schizo delusions>"he is right"He's jittering between claiming the manga is an industry plant, the author being anti fanservice or something, the author being woke, or Israel being involved with the publication of the manga.All with zero proof.
>>287528958I just mean the specific post's text. the is pic unfunny "wacky shitposting".
>>287529036>the specific post's text.So what did that post actually say? What is worse? If you remove the pic, there's no context at all.>"wacky shitposting".Plausible deniability by the mentally ill. They know they have no proof, so they will claim their infographics are a joke, just to seethe at muh jews in their next post.If there was proof it'd be a different matter entirely.
>All You Need Is Kill threads are full of "tumblrshit" accusations>actual ridiculous tumblrshit is good
Reminder that this is all america's fault.
>>287529320This.
>>287529320Also you can't really say "oh shut up, Japan isn't your fairy tale land" or whatever in this case. Shirahama is the most overt "westaboo" and it's clear as day America is the reason she knows what a trigger warning is.
>>287528425I did a little bit of searching. The first thing I found was the periodic report Japan submits because it ratified some convention on the discrimination of women. This report talks about manga, anime, and video games, but it is something Japan chose to take part in. Not really the west pushing their values on Japan. I mean the us isn’t a party to it. Japan didn’t need to be either. The second thing was something about the censorship of content involving children that manga and anime were excluded from. So not really sure what your are freaking out about
>>287529568>Child pornography is defined in article 2 OPSC as ‘any representation of a child engaged in real or simulated explicit sexual activities, regardless of the means used, or any representation of the sexual parts of a child for primarily sexual purposes’. The qualification ‘by whatever means’ reflects the broad range of material available in a variety of media, online and offline. It includes, inter alia: visual material such as photographs, movies, drawings and cartoons; audio representations; any digital media representation; live performances; written materials in print or online; and physical objects such as sculptures, toys, or ornaments.>The Committee urges States parties to prohibit, by law, child sexual abuse material in any form. The Committee notes that such material is increasingly circulating online, and strongly recommends States parties to ensure that relevant provisions of their Criminal Codes cover all forms of material, including when the acts listed in article 3.1(c) are committed online and including when such material represents realistic representations of non-existing children.>drawings and cartoonsAlso yeah they were excluded because there was pushback.
Why are there retards defending the mangaka? She's been utterly brainbroken by westoid politics ever since covid. Not to mention about crying about " muh /pol/ " when she herself is literally a politics schizo. The manga isn't even good anymore ever since she criticized the pervert trope or whatever
>>287529733Because she makes good stories, retard. You are more mindbroken here than she is. Expressing some mild and fairly mainstream opinions about certain political topics on a Twitter account and having one chapter where the villains of the story have a bit of sympathy paid to them regarding why they're villains does not a mindbreak make. Ranting like you do, is what being mindbroken looks like.
>>287529733Because there's no proof, only claims.How is it an "industry plant" (what is that even)?Where does it say Israel funded this (yes multiple posts claimed that too).
>>287528155>So the author isn't allowed to dislike seeing scantily clad women?yup, this is an otaku board if you believe in that sort of shit you should be shat on>Why do you want to censor her views?because she's retarded
>>287529786I think all the stereotypical Tumblr-brained stuff together is why people say that, anon.
>>287529568It comes down to she going to the people who are trying censored manga.
>>287529844Yeah, why does it bother you how she inked a background character? Are you offended on behalf of people with vitiligo? That is unlikely. For whatever reason this choice of piebald inking bothers you inherently in a way that I don't think you can cleanly justify.
>>287528155>Why do you want to censor her viewsShe working with the people trying censored her fucking industry. She needs be call out for this bullshit.
>>287529879I'm saying that if it were just one of these things no one would give a shit but it's clearly a mix that makes her "Tumblr-brained", with the UN thing being an important extra element right nowFunny how you ignored the trigger warning >>287529147 since that's the most obvious shit>>287529808I gave you proof >>287529677 and you ignored it
>>287529786>Because she makes good stories, retard.*she DID. Like I said, WHA has been gong downhill for a while now>You are more mindbroken here than she isActually no, I don't spend my time on tweeting retweeting /pol/ shit. Her takes are garbage and she contributes to the worsening globalization of manga. Like she's doing an interview with fucking UNESCO where they ran propaganda about the " male dominated manga industry " lmao>>287529808I'm not making any statements about WHA being funded by Israel, but it's totally fair to say it's getting pushed like an industry plant with the sort of acolytes behind it
>>287529917My brother, you need to calm down because your grasp of the English language is slipping.
>>287529922>I gave you proofNo you didn't. I know that this happened, and I know that the manga industry as a whole prevented it.How is that proof that the witch hat manga is an industry plant?What the fuck are you even trying to say?
>>287529733/leftypol/ fags have unironically begun migrating here in droves because of the complete dearth of quality western cartoonsthough, this manga specifically has always been popular with tumblr because of the whole harry potter thing
>>287529973>gets shat on because you go muh jews it's israel waaah no it was just a joke>waaah you're leftypolKill yourself,. braindead xitter junky.
>>287529973Not really, there's one schizo spammer who's been here shitting up threads since GQux but this sort of popular show that's well animated and is " prestige " will get a couple of retarded defenders here and there.
>>287529825I mean for me it's mainly "she's allowed to have these views and I'm allowed to call her lame" but the UN shit definitely complicates things.>>287529970>How is that proof that the witch hat manga is an industry plant?I never said she's an industry plant and in fact said it's wrong to call it one in my very first post. I gave that as proof that someone with lame views is being used by people who tried to push said lame views in the past to get stuff censored.
>>287529964>pro free speech>anti gun control (since magic can be used as weapon)Wow so woke.
>>287529733>The manga isn't even good anymore ever since she criticized the pervert trope or whateveryea what a shame since I liked the earlier parts.art really is a reflection of the creator's SOUL. her soul is tainted now.
>>287529989Multiple authors who get into the US comics industry will end up developing these views >>287529825 and this author is definitely one of them.>>287530025>overreading metaphorsShe'd never make an anti gun control statement and you know it. Maybe she would if she were an oldschool Japanese leftist but she's clearly not!
>The protagonist is an ordinary girl who does not possess magic, but who longs to become a magic user. Through a certain incident, she encounters a magic user, enters the world of magic, and gradually begins to uncover its secrets.>This is a story about possibility. Even a child without special inborn abilities can become a magic user. That framework is central to the story, but so is the emotional idea behind it: the possibility that someone who seems ordinary, or who feels excluded from a world of talent, may still find a way into it.yeah that's a hard pass
>>287529922First you'd have to explain to me what makes being 'Tumblrbrained' verboten and what kind of world view do you think is better without just shoving your personal biases in my lap. I love Dungeon Meshi, and that author ran a Tumblr blog for years, so I'm hardly quaking at the potential that Shirahama has Tumblr-type influence. So if she has a fascination with depicting people with skin conditions or different sexual orientations, it doesn't mean much to me and doesn't offend me. A trigger warning is tacky, but the chapter's content was good, so it doesn't bother me. The UN recommending childporn laws that could potentially effect anime and manga doesn't mean much to me because the UN is not an organization that has power to compel action, and it is also a massive umbrella organization that covers a thousand topics. The people running UNESCO aren't the ones drawing up legal charters. Their reason to exist is for the sake of stirring up attention to the arts. >https://courier.unesco.org/en/cultureThe UNESCO culture magazine is not a haven of propaganda to convince you to censor everything that they hate. The topics and headlines are National Geographic tier.
>>287529917You retarded nigger, the Un has literally zero power to censor anything
>>287529994>implying i'm himappeal to samefag is always an admission of loss
>>287529936The Festival Arc of WHA was overly long and borderline a Namek, but it wrapped up well and the character development for Coco and Qifrey made the experience more than worth it. One oversized and clumsy arc is not 'going down hill', lol.
>>287530087Been working with New Japan Women's Association to petition to remove "problematic" manga from stores. Pay attention
>>287530102Him what? I didn't appeal to anything, I was just shitting on your bullshit.
>>287529964Based and Pravin Lal pilled
/a/ loves industry plants though. Like Fujimoto.
>>287530107And that gives the Un at sovereignty over what gets censored how?
>>287530156Fujimoto is absolutely an example of an attempted plant that almost made it and then flopped.
>>287530083>using a Tumblr is the same as being "Tumblr-brained"You're being disingenuous as hell because you clearly know what I meant. Kui is not remotely comparable.>The UNESCO culture magazine is not a haven of propaganda to convince you to censor everything that they hate. The topics and headlines are National Geographic tier.Damn maybe they shouldn't have been disingenuous dipshits about female authors being a rarity in Japan then, a clear dogwhistle for "the industry needs progressive input to improve".>>287530173Damn you didn't even try to deny it.
>>287530083> UN is not an organization that has power to compel action, and it is also a massive umbrella organization that covers a thousand topics.>>287530087It took like one google search and there's obviously associated feminist NGOs and such like PAPS
>>287530177I'm not OP, who acts like a hysteric female trying to convince her sisters of shaming the author.
>>287530209>get it I defend embarrassing Tumblr shit but I say RACIAL SLURS and attack WOMEN like they do on the 4chins!
>>287530204https://posfie.com/@wvwwwwwwwwwwvw/p/Xciyf0Qa sex-positive japanese feminist was one of the main people highlighting this controversy by the way so you don't get to scream /pol/
frieren burning some witchs.
>>287530204Those are national organisation's in Japan you fucking retarded histrionic dipshit. They aren't arms of Un. Again, the Un has zero power over what gets censored anywhere, it's a toothless organization that lacks sovereignty over any member nation.
>>287530199>kui isn't tumblr brained>diverse body types >diverse skin colors>intentionally unconventually attractive male and female characters>disabled characters>mental illness being a major part of several characters' backstories>subversive and genresavvy writing>statements made about sex and gender rolesJust because Dungeon Meshi is good, doesn't mean that it isn't a product of the cultural stew of Tumblr. This is not a bad thing. Good art can come from anywhere and any combination of influences. So Witch Hat Atelier having similar influences is not a problem for me.Female authors not being rare and the industry not being male dominated are not the same thing. You can have many female authors and have an industry that is dominated at the leadership level by men that dictate publishing trends or what is allowed in magazines. This is a well known phenomena if you are into Shojo or Josei manga, where that type of editorial and executive control heavily shaped the genre up until recently.
>>287530253The UN funds and works with those domestic organizations anon. They run puff pieces and lobby governments. This isn't particularly complex or even a conspiracy. UN soft power is very real and increasingly so in a globalized world
>>287529677>they were excluded because there was pushbackCool so people made arguments in favor of not censoring anime and manga and they responded by seemingly accepting those arguments and excluding anime and manga. Sounds good
>>287530288And this was pointed out several times, which makes it even funnier that OP calls this an industry plant.
>>287530253>histrionicprojection
>>287530302I'm not the one claiming that a Manga about a little girl becoming a witch is woke propaganda pushed by Un.
>>287530302>content-less trash post in response to factsWhy don't you just post "downvoted" or something. That would be more honest.
>>287530252https://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/sdg-media-compact-members/>SHOGAKUKAN Inc. JapanFrieren is also owned by the UN.
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>>287530269They clearly weren't talking about editors.>all that shit about Dungeon MeshiDid you just memory-hole the Kui interview where the interviewer tried to project all the shit you guys view as "woke" onto the manga & make her talk about it and it didn't really work? Like for example>intentionally unconventually attractive male and female charactersThe "sexy fanservice male dwarf that reframes beauty standards" was meant to be silly and inspired by a gross-but-funny old man neighbor she had.Not to mention there are plenty of overtly liberal & leftists author who don't behave like obnoxious Tumblr children from 2013.>>287530288>>287530300see>>287530249
>>287530319If there's anything that can be called " woke propaganda " in anime WHA definitely gets the closest when you factor in the authors views lol. There's left-wing mangaka, she's just a particular boring covid reiwa one
>>287530319i haven't seen anyone claim that exact thought in this thread either
>>287530330Hey retard did the UN do a feature on Frieren while going on about the "male-driven manga industry"? They actually could have, given the artist is female, but they didn't. Wonder why, almost like open ideology plays a role here.
>>287530376What in particular is "woke" about wha?
>>287530376Fujio Akatsuka donated to the freaking Japanese Red Army and there's nothing Tumblry about his work; in fact he caused a controversy for "ableism" in his manga. Almost like there's a difference between leftism, even radical forms of it, and being a lame pronouned up smol bean.
>>287530365They weren't clearly talking about anything. Today there is nothing rare about being an actress, but Hollywood is still obviously male dominated at the directorial and production levels and above. Joking panty shots for Senshi are still political statements about trends in anime sex appeal habits. To make a joke about those or to set up thirst trap cover pages with him is a statement about sexualization in anime and the joke is that instead of it being a bombshell elf-girl, it is instead a rotund little dwarf man with (for Japan) unconventionally attractive facial features. When you look in Kui's artbooks, things like Laius's body shape are intentionally not idealized and he instead looks like a football player with a layer of body fat rather than a traditional anime ikemen. This is not accidental, she was obviously making a statement about beauty standards because Kui is more than capable of drawing a traditional ikemen character. The same goes for Marcille's modest looks in comparison to both other elves and the beautiful humans that Kui has drawn. Dungeon Meshi is obviously heavily influenced by the Tumblr atmosphere Kui was familiar with. That is not a bad thing, as I said before. I'm not a child that is bothered by acknowledging the cultural context that created works I enjoy. Even if some dickhead on 4chan would call those cringey.
>>287530365My post is in response to the censorship of material including children. That post from a SEX POSITIVE FEMINIST is about something completely different
Dungeon meshi has the most tumblr looking character designs I’ve ever seen in a manga. Especially young senshi
>>287530496This. Dungeon Meshi is as woke as manga gets; if you don't realize Senshi is a critique of sexualization tropes and beauty standards you're dumb as fuck.
>>287530496>Joking panty shots for Senshi are still political statements about trends in anime sex appeal habits.It's just 40 years old thinking it's funny. Real people don't live thinking /pol/ shit 24/7, it's unsustainable
>>287530735It is funny because of the contrast. The contrast against the norm is what makes it funny. Otherwise there wouldn't be a joke. And why she decided to make that joke leads back to a specific source. The women in Dungeon Meshi are noticeably rarely sexualized unless they're femme fatales.
>>287530663>Implying /pol/shitters read mangaDungeon Meshi would drive them up the wall if they touched it outside of engaging with Xitter memes to pretend they're real fans.
So how does the author feel about the fact people will draw and use ai to depict her girls getting brutally fucked and absolutely destroyed sexually in every way imaginable?
She's a legitimately talented artist so to convince me she's a plant you'd have to get conspiratorial about how she doesn't draw at all and she's just a twatter mouthpiece.I hate the manga and what it stands for (those are two separate things in my book) for what it's worth.
She's not a "plant" her politics are just cringe.
>>287530496>Joking panty shots for Senshi are still political statements about trends in anime sex appeal habits.>she was obviously making a statement about beauty standardsHoly crap, you are unhinged and no different from people who think K-On is about "spiritually right wing and about a peaceful high-trust world without filthy minorities" or whatever.>Dungeon Meshi is obviously heavily influenced by the Tumblr atmosphere Kui was familiar with.Except she had a Tumblr account to post art, she didn't take part in the specific culture stereotypically associated with "Tumblrshit" the way Kamome did.Yes she clearly has a fascination with varied body types. You're the one projecting the political statements. Do you think skilled artists outside of Tumblr don't spend years drawing from life, which naturally includes figures not considered traditionally attractive? Do you think Tumblr politics are the only reason to go beyond typical "hot anime guy/girl" idealization? But fine, think of it this way: if she had all these things in mind when drawing and was so ideology-driven, she would have clearly picked up on what that interviewer was getting at. Instead? Not even a "hey, if that makes you feel seen then I encourage your reading", just complete oblivious responses like "oh nah these characters aren't a gay couple, no this guy ain't autistic, no this is just a goofy old man". Not even in a slightly passive-aggressive way like Kei Urana responding to "headcanons", just a completely neutral "hmm nah I didn't have that in mind at all".
The one decent WHA thread was only about the manga why has everything since been /pol/luted minded schizophrenics why can’t you just post not Gojo fucking his loli harem
>>287530663I came out of the manga having liked it and wanting to fuck falin some people just interact with too much /pol/ shit cause that shit never crossed my mind
Post good loli
>>287526960You have no idea what an industry plant is. WHA has had years of buildup preceeding the anime announcement. If any anime is an industry plant, it's the Yuusha-kei show from last season. A noname light novel with no fanbase suddenly gets an adaptation with comparisons to Mushoku Tensei as far as aesthetics. And it already has a season 2 announced.
>>287531094She get her way they will ban loli.
>>287530899>>287531103I mean, we know she used to make the kind of jokes she now thinks are "problematic". Obviously she's a real person with a real artistic history and not made in a test tube by the woke illuminati or whatever. She's a very skilled artist. She also spent too much time on Twitter and developed a goofy-ass virtue signaling attitude that make her prime material for a UN group that will say dumb shit like "more and more women have managed to make their mark in this traditionally male-dominated field" (in 2026)
>>287531103>one of the few anime in recent years to brutalize butcher and beat the shit into kidsI dont think thats how an industry plant works. You cant even kill kids in cyberpunk 2077 thats how sanitized the media sphere is
>>287530963Kui wasn't oblivious to things like the interviewer asking her about Laius being autistic and weird, she answered that she didn't consider him to be that in specific and instead just wrote him merely as a man who didn't fit in with the world. >KUI: So my understanding is Laios is a really normal person; there's nothing special, and everyone can relate [to a person like him]. I also relate to him, so I don't think I'm writing anything special [regarding Laios]. That's why I think people can relate to or appreciate him. Some people might say Laios is a little bit autistic, but Shuro has his own difficulties.>Everyone has their individual problems. It's not just Laios or Shuro; the problems are mutual. We always need to try to understand and learn from each other. Sometimes, you might hurt another person, but that's the process we need to understand other people.This isn't her being oblivious to the concept or intentionally owning the libs with her replies. It is her saying that Laius wasn't meant to be pigeonholed into just the autistic weirdo, but was intended to be relatable to everyone as an odd duck that didn't always understand what everyone was talking about. The aesthetics and the visual language of Dungeon Meshi are obviously influenced by Tumblr fantasy and art trends. You don't get that level of physical diversity by accident. She was pushing herself to come up with as many distinct types of people as she could and going by her artbooks, that is something she's proud of. And the types of jokes she made for the physical comedy, like joking panty shots and comedic sex appeal for Senshi were part of that. We see this as well with some of the intentional yaoi manga visual imagery used for Kabru and Mithrun's gags. What is funny in her work is funny because of what it references or how it subverts normal manga tropes.
>>287531103Nah, thats just a passion project that became successful. Yuusha kuzu was shit and has no fanbase overlap with kei despite the same source material author.
>>287531168Yuusha kei threads had kuzu fans doebeit though I havent seen the yuusha kuzu myself beyond the first episode
>>287531225They were trying to shill their dogshit, still did not watch.
>>287531144How do you know that she would find the jokes she used to make in eniale and dewiela problematic today?
>>287531162See anon, these views are what people view as "Tumblrshit". Not simply supporting Palestine or leaning left.>You don't get that level of physical diversity by accidentAgain, Tumblr did not invent body variety and it's deranged to think that. Was The Maxx inspired by Tumblr?>And the types of jokes she made for the physical comedy, like joking panty shots and comedic sex appeal for Senshi were part of that.Hiromu Arakawa made a "lol old lady anti-fanservice" joke before Tumblr even existed. Was that a "political statement about trends in anime sex appeal habits"? You are mentally ill.>What is funny in her work is funny because of what it references or how it subverts normal manga tropes.This is just TVTropes/Youtube essayist brain poison on par with "Panty & Stocking are characterized like that to satirize/attack moeshit" when 1. that's just the taste of guys like Imaishi & Wakabayashi and 2. guys like Sushio & Nishigori are, in fact, moeshitters.If I said an edgelord mangaka who likes gore and rape was doing it to "trigger the SJWs" you'd rightfully call me a retard. You have a very specifically Americanized evangelizing attitude to media analysis where "everything that goes against trends exists to proselytize people away from said trends, which are harmful".
>>287526960So is OP lying or not, because to any third party what he's saying seems about right.
>>287531402She's not a "plant", the anime's been in development for a good while and people liked her work before she gained her current retarded Twitter views, but she did gain them still and that's clearly why the UN chose to focus on her and bring up gendered subjects in the interview.
>>287531402No i'm not lying. I'm pissed she did this bullshit i was planning on to reading the manga after she pull this shit hell no.
Why is anybody talking about Yuusha Kei in this topic? An anime almost nobody watched and only recently got a shoutout from certain content creators, compare this to WHA that has every single anituber talking about it even before it even started, Yuusha Kei is more similar to Frieren, both shows were basically non-existent until after the anime started.
>>287531322People looking weird and the specific type of presentation that Dungeon Meshi uses are different things. Frank Miller has made many weird looking golems over his career and he's as far from Tumblr as you get. But when you see a painting by a Tumblr-influenced artist, you know what you're looking at. Like this one depicting various halflings with skin conditions drawn by Kui and posted on her Tumblr blog. There is very little about Tumblr's culture that was new. Just like most of 4chan culture comes from pre-existing trends.But the synthesis of it together is what made it unique. It isn't just, "haha, lady makes jokes about how awkward drawing a sexy woman is for her", it is the deliberate subversion of it into a joke about a man who while not conventionally attractive, is still drawn carefully to have sexually appealing features and that is acknowledged in the world. And this coming in parallel to a setting where women are rarely treated as sexual beings. Tumblr didn't invent writing about mental illnesses, but including one character who is a depressed drug addict coping with her anhedonia, one a man with body dysmorphia, another woman who uses make up culture to obscure her hatred of her face, etc., in the way that she did the influence her social media use had is more and more obvious. It isn't a Palahniuk novel where the point is that everyone is part of freak show, but instead a naturalized and sympathetic depiction that is there for representation purposes. There are mangaka that deliberately write stuff to trigger leftists in Japan. If you claimed that for a specific one and gave some reasoning, I wouldn't oppose it. Something like Creature Girls is intentionally written by its writer to trigger leftists with the text's contents like a mouthpiece female character talking about the wonders of rape.
>>287526960>>287526983>>287527122I guess I won't be reading this work. Thank you OP. I absolutely refuse to support authors like this.
>>287531402Why would an industry plant need to wait 10 years before their manga is animated? This series wasn't even getting reliable English translations for a while either. The series' success is organic, just in a way that some people on /a/ don't like.
I don't give a shit about the author's political viewsI don't give a shit about the UNI don't give a shit about eceleb shillingI don't give a shit about culture warriors on TwitterIf you do then FUCK OFF
>>287529733Gotta add some light to the darkness, I guess
>>287531654>I don't give a shit which his why I'm angrily all-capsing
>>287531563That looks more like a 'what if people had the same coloring cats do' kind of pic
Idk the one or two non shitpost OP wha threads Ive been in enjoyed the manga though admittedly saying experiencing one of the arcs at the time whilst being a monthly manga was a genuine slog
>>287531654It's not about that she sided with the un the most retarded thing she could do.
>>287531589Your welcome.
>>287531667What I give a shit about is you faggots bringing your culture war here instead of talking about ANIME AND MANGA on the ANIME AND MANGA board
>>287531563No one ever had "empathy for outsiders and minorities" as a theme in their work before Tumblr, you're right. Holy fuck man have you ever read a Tezuka manga? Is Princess Mononoke Tumblr? That was straight up a trend in Japan in the 90s and it didn't result in the kind of annoying "Tumblrisms" we have now and instead resulted in cool shit like Cowboy Bebop.I'd be willing to accept "maybe she took some inspiration from 2010s online progressives without dedicating herself to virtue signaling over it or getting super deep into the culture" if you showed me some sort of evidence remotely akin to what we have for Shirahama. When I followed her Tumblr it was the most "just using this to post art" shit imaginable. However, I would still think>Joking panty shots for Senshi are still political statements about trends in anime sex appeal habits.is pure delusion. The character is not "drawn carefully to have sexually appealing features", he is based on a funny gross old neighbor the author had who went out in his underwear. If she cared so much about "Tumblr politics" would she have said that instead of "YAS QWEEN SLAY ALL BODIES ARE BEAUTIFUL"? Kind of a problematic response (along with the others) if she had that ideological focus!>>287529733Some people in this thread legit have the same views, (or stupider) but I think for others it's a matter of "my brain already categorized this person as really cool before they developed or came clean about these views, and I don't wanna let go" and/or "those views suddenly appear reasonable because they come from an artist I like".>>287531543>every single anituberOf course WHA fans follow "every single anituber"...>>287531435You gotta drop the "industry plant" meme, ESL-kun. Leaves you so open to "um actually"-ing.
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>>287531728>>287531746The author cares about Twitter culture war shit and it shows in the manga! Too bad!
I think Ill try reading the source material than listening to the esl who cried wolf since Im enjoying the anime and enjoyed dungeon meshi to then go straight into its manga til completion, saga of Tanya the evil author is apparently an advocate for communism yet I still enjoyed the anime and the movie so who gives a shit what an authors political views are unless they shit it out into their work
>>287531765And buronson is an insane nationalist and it’s shows in his manga. If the manga is good then who cares. I’ll read BEGIN and I’ll read wha
>>287531781>saga of Tanya the evil author is apparently an advocate for communism He's not retard, he was doing military otaku role-playing on social media and his actual views are pretty basic (even "problematic" by obsessive left-wing standards). Here's /leftypol/ bragging about gaslighting people into thinking he's a communist in a thread addressing his "questionable" views. Wonder if one of these guys is in this thread?>>287531811I don't think a discussion about his views would be out-of-place at all, either, given he made them a significant part of his later manga. Bringing them up in a Hokuto thread, sure that would be stupid since they're irrelevant to that series. No one's making you read this thread specifically about an author's worldviews.
>>287529879>>287529973>>287530083>>287530087Yeah. I was half-joking before, but this thread really does glow. lol wow.
How does her and Urana complimenting each other's manga seem to you guys?
>>287531745If you can't identify the stylistic differences between Tezuka's progressivism and the type that appeared on Tumblr in the 21st century, you're just being obstinate.One big thing is the intention to depict diversity in a more naturalistic sense, which Kui's artwork reflects.Tezuka drew everyone as some kind of weird caricature. Even his more serious works like Message to Adolf or MW feature heavily stylized artwork that isn't meant to look like a real person. The cartoon aspect is the most important one. Because the purpose of a character design isn't to depict a person, but a cartoon being that primarily is a rubber body to distort depict emotion.Things like this are what separate Tezuka's 60s era progressivism from modern Tumblr influenced progressivism. What you're focusing on in the process of depicting progressive ideas. Tezuka was interested in the emotional shock, where he was aiming to shake up the status quo by depicting controversial things like racial violence, pollution, economic violence, gender role rejection, etc., but aesthetically he didn't care to draw people as people either way.Kui's artwork isn't photorealistic, but her art is designed to depict real people in a way that lets you see the individuals and imagine what they'd look like IRL. This follows a large focus of Tumblr influenced artists which is to depict the human race in all shapes, sizes, and colors, as a way of fighting beauty standards and racial supremicism.The naturalism is part of the aesthetic. Where the goal is to draw as many types of humans as you can and include them in your works. And for them to feel human.The point isn't to just grandstand a political stance, but the depiction of the ethnic and bodily diversity of humanity in a grounded manner is the praxis itself.
Any discussion of this shitty series is officially dead. You can go to reddit I guess.
>>287531878This board is for discussing manga and anime. Why does the authors world views matter here? Why do there need to be threads discussing them?
>>287529879You're an actual sheep with an empty mind.
>>287531860This cannot be… I was lied to… though admittedly it was a libertarian who told me through the cord
Why was Frieren able to escape this shitty argument?
>>287531878I think is just pedos who just want to enjoy pairing little girls with each others like little retards. I doubt they are mentally mature enough to have an actual political opinion.
>>287532002OP is the Full Metal schizo too so he's pro Frieren because it topped FMA on MAL.
>>287532002By virtue of being a better show and not having a hack of an author.
>>287532002Hype moments with aura though didnt frieren also have some fanservice so maybe its that since wha apparently doesnt have any fanservice at all
>>287532032Only fanservice for fujos and trannies
>thread's been alive for like 6 hours>210 posts of pure slopokay, I'm getting a clearer picture of why this series is difficult to talk about here
>>287531932>Things like this are what separate Tezuka's 60s era progressivism from modern Tumblr influenced progressivism.I think there's also the fact that Tezuka's progressivism wasn't obnoxious. But neither is Kui's.>Tezuka drew everyone as some kind of weird caricature. Even his more serious works like Message to Adolf or MW feature heavily stylized artwork that isn't meant to look like a real person. The cartoon aspect is the most important one. Because the purpose of a character design isn't to depict a person, but a cartoon being that primarily is a rubber body to distort depict emotion.Christ, how can you read MESSAGE TO ADOLF of all things and think that about Tezuka's art? The very definition "caricature" means cartooning that exaggerates reality. It's not "a drawing of a drawing of a cat" the way Hello Kitty is (though admittedly other Tezuka designs are closer to that); it's based in deforming with reality as the basis. Which Adolf largely focused on. The significant difference here is that Dungeon Meshi's art is relatively more realistic and anatomical, but both are in a similar stylization ballpark - not the same, but similar.I will admit Tezuka sometimes drew black people in a very unobservant "blackface autopilot" way but I think that was because no one ever properly explained to him why that aesthetic was considered offensive like someone did to Ishinomori in the 80s (IIRC the Kimba localizers tried but 1. it was badly worded 2. those people were lunatics who wanted him to give Kimba pants)>The point isn't to just grandstand a political stance, but the depiction of the ethnic and bodily diversity of humanity in a grounded manner is the praxis itself.You've still yet to provide any evidence she was significantly involved in this culture.
I will Shrimply hope cunnyfags and by extension artists latch on the series and drown out the fujos and trannies with cunny art this is the 3rd or 4th muh wha mangaka politics thread Ive been through and assume the next episode will be the same
>>287532069A solid 70% of WHA threads are now one spammer. Mods don't care.
>>287532069Because it was made for brainlets like you?
>>287532086You're either retarded or schizophrenic
>But most wha threads have talked more about /pol/shit than the anime. its as if majority of posters dont care about the anime and only exist to shit stir and shitpost like an indian
>>287526983troonslop apologist.
>>287532121its as if the anime is shit so no one cares
>>287532086In a way it's fascinating to see one guy just completely shit blood over an innocuous show. I mean I've hated series that were popular on /a/ before but I didn't have a sustained multi-weeks meltdown over it to the point I'd scrounge twitter for interviews with the mangaka.
>>287531979Also >unless they shit it out into their workIt wouldn't matter if Carlo Zen advocated communism (Horus Prince of the Sun advocates communism & it's amazing) but "Witch Hat Atelier DESTROYS problematic 'zany pervert' trope!" is social media bullshit leaking into manga.The view that "annoying woke stuff" is when a story says racism is bad or an author has left-wing fiscal views is retarded by design, benefitting both culture war extremes. Anyone who's not /pol/ is really thinking of "the kind of progressivism that became mainstream on 2010s social media".
>>287532133I never saw a complaint with a screenshot from the episode so it’s like they didnt even watch it. Curious isnt it rajeesh
>>287532127The dumb troon is spamming his pedo lesbians art. Is not like he has anyone else to discuss the series than himself.
Honestly the people who seethe about this manga/anime seem completely demented to me. From everything I've seen about it, it seems completely stock standard and tame, but well drawn series.
>>287532157Watching the show makes you retarded, judging by how its apologist behave
>>287532148He does this all the time. CITY and PSG is the most recent I've seen him sperg out over, but he did the same to Meshi and a lot of others. I don't think he actually hates the anime he spams. He just likes ruining threads.
>>287531402The industry plant claims are truly tarded when you realise that people have been glazing the manga online since COVID. The fact that even the most normie of banwagonner anitubers like Gigguk were making videos back in 2023/2024 long before the anime came out probably helped with generating WOM too. If it were truly an industry plant, nobody but UNESCO would be pushing it hard but as we can see that's not the case.
>>287526960Sticking my crack dumplings in Aka Kaguya-style with a side of orange chicken and some egg rolls and some teriyaki glazed marinara over easy on that shit you fucking never knew anything but she'll tell ya - you for real? You're all chucky the cheese jokers.Niggas need to bow down to the one true greatest series of all time - Sekirei. All these fake ass harems in the last 16 years, but you're not living a real imaginary life unless you want to fuck 8 alien hags some twins and maybe a loli for you pedos but hey the pedos are the ones with money and control now.I'm getting jiggy with it watching rias's tits jiggle on a booru and if you aren't getting jiggy with her or akeno or xenovia you are such a massive faggot holy shit just neck yourself like eren.Anyways here's the seasonals:Re:Zero - You're an itoddler if you still watch thisClassroom of the Elite - You're the biggest schizo psychopath ITT if you still watch this - BF Skinner would be proudSlime-kun - Tranny slopagandaYomi no tsugai - Another bones literally who action show but it might be goodMarriagetoxin - Tranny slopaganda (good)Liar Game - Has there ever been a good two-word show with GAME in the titleKanan-sama - wifeYowa Yowa Sensei - Pull it together brains base
Rape Agott
>>287532187>I will form an opinion merely based on hearsay than actually go into the series and form my own opinion You are literally a retarded sheep
>>287532105>>287532127>>287532187>>287532162you know you're not supposed to be this obvious when you samefag
>>287532193Wait, OP is the same retard that seethed about Dungeon Meshi?
Pat Richeh
>>287532209Coco a cute!
>>287526960the manga went super woke real quick. It's a huge hit with the reddit crowd so there's no point in shit talking it. just drop the series like i did. Pretty sad because it started good, then the niggers showed up, then the faggot leader showed up, then the girl bosses showed up, then it became a battle manga. it just went to complete shit so fast. i couldn't believe it.
>>287532207I form my opinion based on facts. And you being a mentally ill retard is a fact.
>>287532199Agott is perfect for molestation.
>>287532207>bro you need to read George Akiyama's "An Introduction to China: A Study of Our Bothersome Neighbors" to know that maybe it has lame shit in it
>>287532250>and its a fact that I didnt watch the anime and am shitpostingSaar…
>>287532220Not OP but Dungeon Meshi isn't woke like this sloppy crap
>>287532270I have seen zero arguments or evidence to back the claim that WHA is somehow "woke".
>>287532199>>287532256WHA fans aren't pedos, guys I swear
>>287532284Uhhhh it has a two guys in one house and 4 lolis who are classmates
>>287532290>bitching about muh pedos on /a/
>>287532284>trigger warning, "wacky pervert trope is problematic" scene, vitiligo>"no this all couldn't possibly be attached to a set of beliefs the author very openly ascribes to"
>>287532284Read the thead and try to think outside of your little bubble. It literally has vitiligo, hijabs and a fucking trigger warning.
>>287532002Frieren doesn't have authors who partake in western Twitter culture and put elements of that in their work. It does have far-right fans who think it's about how you should kill immigrants in real life and they are retarded.>>287532194Again why do you guys know what someone named "Gigguk" makes videos about
>>287532343He's a useful barometer for gauging the baseline normie mainstream opinion. You can tell when a series mad with big if you see his thumbnails clogging up your YT front page (i.e. Mushoku, Frieren, Takopi, WHA etc..). That's atypical for industry plants as they are usually pushed by corpos & media outlets as opposed to sloptubers. See every Manwha adaptation ever
Fuck off, no one cares
>>287532538I do
>>287532538You should care.
Post wokehats
>>287532521>incest cunny guy Hes surrounded by normal fags but hes merely larping as one his wife could arguably shitpost /here/. normie meter is looking at anything the Brit cuck likes
Say whatever you want but I see the UNESCO logo tied to anything and I immediately raise an eyebrow.
I dont even know what the fuck a unesco is bring your polshit to /pol/
It is funny how fucking schizoid people are about UN as if that organization actually holds any fucking power at all.Even the fucking EU is more powerful political entity than the fucking UN.
>>287532608This is like when people say "trad retards who want to censor anime don't matter because the other side has more influence". No, I'm pretty sure the impact of noteworthy groups of people (whether organizational or purely ideological) wanting to censor anime adds to the threat of anime being censored.
>>287532242A CUTE!
>>287532220Op here I like Dungeon Meshi.
>wanted to do storytime threads after the anime finishes>we're gonna have to deal with a human shitstain flooding the threadit won't deter me but it is depressing
>>287532080>author actively appeals to demographic>"man we gotta scare that demographic off"
>>287532592It's part of the UN how about you tell kamome shirahama stop being a stupid bitch.
Do your job janny faggot and get this schizophrenic /pol/shit out of my /a/God this board went to shit
>>287532828>author is extremely vocal about her views in and outside of her work, buddies up with people who want to censor manga>"noooo you can't discuss those views"
>>287532828 they know she a industry plant.
So is the main cause for this that one chapter where some dude was using magic to peek on girls or something and the cops mind raped him for eternity?
>>287526960How is this manga "woke" exactly? I didn't read it but it looks like generic shoujo fantasy to me, so I don't understand what the bitching is all about.Also the word "woke" is so overused now to the point that it's meaningless, kinda like "incel"
>>287531589nobody cares schizo
>>287532918maybe you should read it then
So this manga/anime makes /pol/browns seethe? Picked up
>>287528603How does that help western culture?
>>287532931Can't be assed
>>287532918see>>287532311>>287532307
I’ll just put down my gook sloppa junk food and actually binge this and screencap anything that may seem woke and call the browns here schizophrenic anyways. Agott rape
>>287532965>vitiligo Bros is MJ woke now...?
Gachiakuta was more woke and had pro-used goods gaslight shilling yet vpol didnt shit up those threads, very sus
Ngl rightoids at this point have become more schizophrenic and annoying than woketards. Horshoe theory strikes again
>>287532973"lol look at this performative faggot who took a pic of himself with a maga hat drinking milk and doing the ok sign""...milk is woke now?"
>Kodansha Actually hilarious to see them prose about women's right while they published parallel fucking paradise in a separate magazine.
>>287532989...what?
>>287532985Can't believe the manga explicitly made for people who say shit like "First you'd have to explain to me what makes being 'Tumblrbrained' verboten" isn't getting universally positive reception
Why does tumblr love this show
>not battle shonen slop>has cute girlsNo wonder /a/ spics hate it
shut up and post cute witches
>>287533015I genuinely don't understand what you're saying. This is legit schizophrenia
>>287532998maga hat - obviousdrinking milk - racist meme about how browns are lactose intolerant or some shitok sign - another racist meme about "tricking the libs into thinking the ok sign is racist and stands for the letters 'WP' (white power)"my point is it's a mix of various elements that makes it virtue signally, much like my example would be virtue signally to the right
>>287532979>didnt think gachiakuta was woke at all while reading it >at the concert battle arcThe fuck? So youre saying Ill just enjoy wha just like that? I did have a sliver of a doubt wha would be woke but held back such thoughts enjoying the anime but if you say gachiakuta is more woke wha is practically a non issue
I picked up the anime because it looked interesting and it is so far but it seems it would be a good idea to completely ignore the threads for it since it seems it has a dedicated schizo. Shame
>>287533045People who say "used goods" have a really retarded idea of what "woke in a bad way" is.
>>287533044I guess my iq isn't low enough and I'm not ameritarded enough to understand any of this. You faggots really should be shot for shoehorning politics into everything
>>287533034>WHA is explicitly made for people with retarded beliefs>fans in this thread make retarded posts>ergo the series is naturally associated with retarded shit>>287533066maybe that's why people don't like this author!
>>287533078>WHA is explicitly made for people with retarded beliefsIt's made for maga tards?
>>287533089>you must like trump if you think tumblr shit is retarded
2026 /a/ would call FMA woke because it's made by a woman and mcs are disabled and are fighting evil government led by an evil white guy. There's even an amputee black girl
>>287533101How is it tumblr shit? What does that even mean? What's your favorite anime?
>>287533110>there is no difference between 2000s liberalism and 2010s liberalism beep boop I am acting willfully retarded>>287533123flcl
>>287533130FLCL is pure woke slop tho
I just want the porn of the witches getting destroyed already. Hurry up japan.
>>287533136okay I really want to hear your media literacy understanding of flcl's politics
>>287533110Hiromu arakawa would not go on a UN backed forum to talk about some political BS.
>>287533148>body positivity fat acceptance nonsense Yep, woke.
>>287529973Yeah after Owl House and Amphibia ended it was all downhill
>>287533130and WHA has neither 2000s nor 2010s liberalism
>>287533140What is there to talk about? Flcl is incredibly woke and if you don't comprehend it then that means you have low intelligence.
>>287526960This guy is still mad about the black kid, gay couple and police brutality huh?
>>287533167For the longest time I thought both were the same show.
So from what I've gathered /pol/chuds hate this manga because author hates israel?
>>287533148her take on indigenous people & their colonizers, war crimes etc is the most "baka naive centrist" stuff conceivable. even said shit like "you need to not only listen to one side to get a grasp of such issues">>287533176man you blew your load so early
>>287533191Besides having brown protagonists there is not much to connect the two so
>>287533195>even said shit like "you need to not only listen to one side to get a grasp of such issues"Typical leftist
>>287527423>consensual eww
>>287533212leftists love saying "you need to understand the colonizers" you're right
Both libtards and maga tards are so fucking insufferable. I don't care about your faggot ass opinions about the politics while watching a show about cute witch girls
>>287533193no, that's just your cope
It’s hard to take claims it’s an artificially inflated manga seriously when there’s an artificially inflated hatemob sperging about it
>>2875331102003 FMA made Rose brown for no reason + rape baby sob story, definitely woke agenda
>>287529320Can’t wait for China to become the world hegemon.
>>287533252Calm down rabbi
>>287533272kinda yeah, sho aikawa is similar to kamome
>>287533017Because the dub gave the hot dude a British accent.
>>287528330imagine if instead of the UN going "as a female author, part of a minority slowly inching its way into the field of manga of course," she was interviewed by some dude who went "as a mangaka who I am sure is struggling with the threat of political correctness," there's absolutely no way she would've ignored itfor the record my hypothetical would have been a retarded thing to say too
>>287533272>don't kill the monster!yes
>>287533676I know right wingers would go "this is awful subversive wokeslop" but this kind of pacifism is exactly what more extreme progressives would see as corny and gay. Like how Scar's crusade against state alchemists wasn't morally justified in FMA.
>>287533703I have never once seen such a person calling FMA corny and gay over the Envy scene, but hey you tried.
>>287530403anime is now controlled opposition
>>287533737The Envy scene? No. The approach to colonialism, war crimes and Scar's revenge? Absolutely.
I can't believe people are protecting the mangaka here, is 4chan a woke central now? Japanese R-18 artists and game devs can't sell their stuffs because these motherfuckers don't let people use credit card to buy them, they removed loli and other 'le problematic' contents, and not even 24 hours before this they removed everything with hypnosis tag, and this mangaka is siding with those fucking jews.
>>287533750>No.Exactly.This shows they don't even see the problem.
>>287533770They're gonna say "actually the Christian right is to blame for that" even though Pixiv Fanbox has bizarre rules like "no incest". Like, yeah sure "gay porn is allowed but no incest" is a conservative rule.
Twitter people are so embarrassing.
>>287532024FMA would be called woke if it came out today.
>>287533831>>287533148
>>287529147>literally triggered by a trigger warning
the left has no response to me lovingly ejaculating in tetia's tight magical cunny.
>>287526960of course she's a fujo
>>287533841Nah, just don't want that stuff becoming normalized in manga/anime.
>>287532024Not schizo here, but the shows have opposing messages.If you think one is right that necessarily makes the other wrong.
>>287533842Happy sex with Tetia
>>287533854How?
>>287533852You're a special little snowflake, aren't you? Anons get triggered so easily nowadays.
>>287533770You are aware that it is fucking visa and mastercard that is behind that shit, not this mangaka or the fucking UN, right?
>>287533867>>287533676I assume you have seen both and this image alone is enough of an explanation.
>>287533877>erm actually the UN failed in getting loli & shota banned so checkmate atheistsany noteworthy effort to censor anime & manga adds to the general sociopolitical pressure of censoring anime & manga and also >>287530249
>>287533877Different hydra head of the same leviathan. Do you honestly really believe these entities aren't in lockstep unison with each other? You're a mark.Still, shit thread made by twitter monkeys who can't articulate their thoughts well, as per course of being brown and/or black.
>>287533877>You are aware that it's fucking Israel that is killing palestinian children, not America, right?
>>287533902it always boils down to "[my enemy side] has more power thus is more likely to do censorship ergo please ignore the censorship my side wants" it's obvious bullshit
>>287533900>>287533902>>287533936You people are fucking retarded and have completely missplaced view of what power and influence the fucking UN has. Visa and Mastercard pushing censorship stems from USA and it's political elites, who if you haven't noticed, don't give a fuck about the UN lmao. That organization is basically trivial, a vestige of a dying age that has zero soveriginity over any actual policies conducted in any nation on this fuckign planet.You have elevated what is basically the league of nations of our era into some boogieman status when in practice that organization exists so that old political stooges can larp about doing important shit. There is a fucking reason why nations regularly just ignore UN resolutions because they are literally non binding and not worth the ink on the paper they are written on. UN has zero authority or soverignity over any state on this planet.If you want to see the source of censorship in the modern age, it is the western world itself, not some UN boogieman. The political elites of the west have grown increasingly authoritarian in the past two decades for reasons stemming from both internal cultural pressures as well as increasing geopolitical competition. Thinking that this mangaka doing some stock standard interview with the culture outfit of UN is some indication og global conspiracy to censor manga is utterly nonsensical retard brain thinking.
>>287534045but I never said it's a conspiracy? I'm just saying any remotely prominent group trying to get manga & anime censored adds to the general pressure to censor manga & anime. how is this wrong?
>>287534081I have not seen a slick of proof about this mangaka in particular trying to push for censorship of manga. All this thread is is basically conspiratorial schizoposting and guilt by association claims regarding the mangaka and WHA.The interview is some stock standard shit and there is nothing remotely controversial said in it, so all I seee is essentially retarded culture warriors going >REEEE SHE WAS INTERVIEWED BY UNESCO THAT MEANS SHE IS AN INDUSTRY PLANT PUSHING WOKE!!!!!without actually substantiating any of their claims with actual evidence. Nothing in the interview itself backs up this banal seething.
>>287534045>who if you haven't noticed, don't give a fuck about the UNYou really are a mark.
>>287534120>>287528245
>>287534081>how is this wrong?It's not what you said it's how you said it, since your logic checks out let's just say you hurt my feelings.
>>287534122How am I wrong. UN has no authority at all over either internal politics of USA nor the foreign policies of USA. UN is a toothless relic of the cold war that has zero power over it's member nations. The reason why american instutions are increasingly censorious stems from murrica itself, not the fucking UN. It must be a pleasant fantasy for amerifats to think that the abuse of their constitutional rights stems from some external outside force but it the truth of the matter is that it is the american political class itself that has pushed this shit. Visa and Mastercard do not get their marching orders to ban the sale of lewd doujins and h-games from the fucking UN.>>287534133Your schizoid whataboutism does not constitute an argument, retard.
>>287534171It's not whataboutism, it's a hypothetical to explain why people are annoyed with Kamome.
>>287534171>How am I wrong.Your facts are incorrect, no I will not elaborate.
>>287534202Then I will just dismiss you as a retarded shitposter.
>>287534171The UN is an extension of blue America's elite network you fucking retard. There's a reason why its headquartered in New York City. Its purpose is to solidify their postwar hegemony.
>>287534234And? Nothing in my post implied otherwise. I called UN a relic of the cold war for a reason, and if you haven't noticed murrican post war hegemony is collapsing around us. UN is worthless in a world that is returning to great power competition. Also, there is no "blue america" anymore than there is "red america". Murrican political elites all play for the same team. The political "divisions" exist there to keep the retarded goycattle fighting each other. Both Republicans and Democrats serve wallstreet and pissrael. Once the democrats get back in power they will keep on the same overall trajectory as the trump admin did because ultimately they share the same goals which is fucking over the common masses in favor of muh chosen people and their goodest golems.
>anon conveniently forgets about the time the UN equated loli art to pedophilia and recommended Japanese publishers (ie: Kadokawa) to do something about it.
>>287534321I haven't forgotten that at all. I simply don't give a fuck because I hold zero respect for the UN or anything they say because I am cognizent of the factual reality that even fucking EU has more political weight behind their words than the UN has. UN has zero power thus I give zero fucks about what they say. Whereas EU under whose jurisdiction I actually live, does have power over me.
"pc culture is good and I will dedicate myself to it so I can appeal to the diverse global audience" https://web.archive.org/web/20200807074111/https://twitter.com/shirahamakamome/status/1291640295772233732 great author you got here
>>287534320You really are fucking hopeless if you think these people aren't in control in some way, shape, or form. Their heads are still attached to their torsos and are able to steer policy to their direction, therefore they're still in charge. Just because you see them as illegitimate doesn't mean they lost their power to influence sectors. If Kadokawa or Visa Mastercard listens to their recommendations over this specific issue, it means they effectively exerted power over them. It's that fucking simple.Retard.
>>287534336irrelevant what it means to you personally. the point is that it's bad news when someone with the most stereotypical "pc culture is good, trigger warnings are good, anime asses are problematic, pervert gags are harmful, cancel culture is not real" politics is picked up & used as ammo by a group that wants manga/anime censored
>>287533770True
>>287534376Used as ammo HOW? By doing a stock standard interview? Have you even fucking read it? I did, because I saw people throwing a fit about it and turns out that the interview was complete nothing burger. Even the most "controversial" statement in it about female mangakas mostly just exposes the interviewer as a clueless retard that thinks that female mangakas are something special/recently grown in prominence, Shirahama herself makes no such claims and outright states that she is not a newcomer to the scene at all.My annoyance over this entire "drama" is because I find manga itself to be a very pleasant read and I don't give a shit about the author's politics even if they are contradictory to mine because I actually can separate the artist from the art. Having threads about the manga be polluted by this retarded, completely baseless conspiratiorial bs is both unwarranted and undesirable to me.
>>287534337Ewwww
>>287534337consoles do suck though
>>287534470>By doing a stock standard interviewWhy don't other bigger mangaka also do interviews with the UN if they're so stock standard?
>>287534470Well first, see >>287533669Second, "I no longer feel like a newcomer, but rather like someone in mid-career" does not counter the claim at all.
>>287534498I think people just used "plant" in a retarded way but what they probably felt was "they are giving special attention to this person because she's everything they want mangaka to be"
>>287534530>felt and not thinkYou must be a woman.
>>287534545I mean I'm not exactly macho but what I meant was "it's a subconscious feeling they consciously put into words badly". as in "it was a feeling"
>>287534578Feelings are things like hot, cold, sad or hungry.>subconscious Also thoughts.
>>287534470>Used as ammo HOW?A big thing is "why her, of all the manga authors out there" and the "clueless retard" part (your words) about "male domination" might be a hint. Why assume manga authors are overwhelmingly men? Why would your brain think "yes, of COURSE this must be the case" and consider it important enough to bring up?
>>287534670>Why assume manga authors are overwhelmingly men? Why would your brain think "yes, of COURSE this must be the case" and consider it important enough to bring up?Because UN is an organization staffed by clueless retards. It isn't exactly a place one gets in via merit, competence or expert knowledge. All appointments to UN are basically earned via political goodboy points, being the biggest suckass retard that is willing to just repeat the empty platitudes and "values" UN is based on.
I request that OP (or someone as qualified) make a post clarifying the problem, and source it. If integration into some twitter-sphere is the goal then he had better make it screengrabbable
>>287534470Ehhh as someone who; isn't a teenager, can enjoy media with values/politics that I disagree with if everything else is good, and actually finds themself getting annoyed with manga/anime sacrificing plot and pacing for the 10th bouncy-tits-nosebleed-hornybait fanservice scene in any given chapter/episode, I still stopped reading the manga because of how gracelessly the author inserted her politics.The setting and art were great but it started feeling like a show meant for toddlers with all the "be kind to people and make lots of friends", "cripples in wheelchairs are people too and we should be so nice to them :))))))))", "look! It's okay for men to hold hands and kiss, gays are super neat!" morale pandering constantly cropping up. It was all so unsubtle and felt shoehorned in to teach the audience instead of actually serve any point to the story.It's not hard to see how or why something like that would be amplified by outsiders who are seeking to change elements of Japanese media, even if the author herself is an insider.As an aside I think it's quite funny that the manga went in that direction because I was convinced the author was a guy and would end up inserting more and more perverted shit after how much effort t put into drawing kids feet and finding reasons to do so multiple times within the first few chapters alone.
>>287534705Or maybe they know that, regardless of whether it's true or not, bringing up "serious concerns that you'd be a bad person to dismiss" is a way to gain influence. You know, given the history of trying to censor "problematic" manga & anime.>>287534740>It's not hard to see how or why something like that would be amplified by outsiders who are seeking to change elements of Japanese mediaYeah.
>>287532071Long delay, but I fell asleep. By modern standards people in this very thread would call Tezuka's leftism obnoxious. If Princess Knight came out today, there'd be constant threads mourning the death of Japanese culture to the trannies and liberals. The goal of Tezuka's artwork was not to depict people, but a soft bodied stand-in that represents the emotional essence of a human. No one looks like a Tezuka character. Because Tezuka characters aren't meant to look like people you'd see on the street. They're cartoonish beyond that comparison because the goal is to depict a hyper emotional avatar for a real person that can depict a stronger emotional meaning than a realistic physical body. What Kui and the Tumblr style differs on is what the purpose of drawing a person is. The point is drawing people that you'd see in the outer world with the point of making them grounded in reality. And to do it with as many types of people with as many medical, mental, or sexual conditions as is reasonable. While there is slight cartooning, it isn't to the point where you have that separation between cartoon shell and emotional essence the cartoon is being used to represent in an exaggerated way. For Kui's art they're far tighter in link, where any distortion is just to heighten the impact of depicting the person you'd know. Drawing a bunch of chubby women in poses that are somewhere between sexualized and magazine catalog asexual, is the political activism.
>>287532002Frieren has no philosophical ambitions. It doesn't have any intentions to say anything about anything.Other than being offended by how generic the fantasy is or how boring the characters are, there's nothing to trigger political schizos.
>>287534966You don't seem to understand.
>>287533015Do you really think that most people using /a/ are as braindead as you are, and as obsessed with having the right political beliefs (as dictated by whatever based and redpilled pedophiles you last talked to) as you are?
>>287535019>Do you really thinkYou clearly don't.
>>287535019Progressives will distance themselves from "Tumblr bullshit" and claim it's stupid too for a reason. Kind of insane you're emotionally and angrily defending it.
>>287534966Personally I can't respect frieren because it's world building so so cliched and unimaginative.
I repeat, rw losers are hating on WHA so much, bcs its success breaks their narrative that japanese ppl are a racist, misogynistic & bigoted monolith that don't care or are unaware abt societal themes/ topics. They can't ignore it like other older manga w progressive themes.
>>287535070stop being normalphobic you bigot
>>287535070The mods will ban anyone who refutes this bait, but not this bait itself.Really makes you think.
>>287526960Nah, she’s just a westernized foid. More like a useful idiot like a Dungeon Meshi author. Although the art and girls looks good, not gonna lie
>>287535127Why do you see Dungeon Meshi's author as a useful idiot?
>>287533130>flcl How is that not wokeshit?Haruko is a giant wacky alien slut manipulator who sexually cajoles every man in the world and is always the smartest person in the room. With her only fault being that Trigger didn't actually have a plan for Atomsk. Mamimi is an Asperger's case who was jerked around and left behind by the town sports hero and is left directionless and empty. With her big moment being rejecting society and traditional femininity and becoming a traveler. Ninamori is the most adult of any character, and she's an empowered and independent young woman who is disenchanted by society based on her politically involved father being a cheater.Takkun is a boy with no male role models who has his sexuality turned into a physical representation that as a male he must take control over and repress. And he's dragged around by all the women around him but isn't 'rewarded' with any in the end.Amarao as a cop and authority figure is actually a weak cuckhold of a man who larps as an adult.As far as bildungsromans go, that is a very progressive mix of characters and fates.
>>287535137Most of the characters are ugly and the main message is something about accepting animal fuckers (MC).
>>287535070Personally, as someone with quite a lot of rw and traditionalist beliefs, I find people that take issue with art whose creators or even the message in the art itself possess views that go against their own political beliefs to be the worst kind of boorish retards. You do not need to agree with every message a piece of art seeks to carry forth in order to enjoy it. Something that is made with passion and done well is universally enjoyable to anyone with actual eye and heart to appreciate art.I generally hate all this culture war bs because the most vocal voices tend to be the most retarded ones that reduce everything into just "my tribe good, enemy tribe bad" shitfests.
>>287535048I don't care what other people do. The idea that someone has to defend an author engaging with a certain 'genre' of political belief is retarded and pathetic. Especially when 4chan political culture was the product of degenerates itself.
>>287532955>how does opposing Israel help western cultureAre you pretending to be retarded
>>287535070Type like a normal person faggot.
>>287535137The characters and themes are crafted with an eye toward to the modern Western left-wing agenda. You’d have to be either very naive or dishonest not to understand this, so won’t elaborate
>>287534337There is literally nothing wrong with writing for a global audience and trying to understand the norms and mores of cultures outside your own.
>>287535171So you can't make fun of someone's generic social media pop-politics beliefs or take issue with them buddying up with people who want to censor stuff you like, or else you're somehow, by default, implying all the other bullshit you projected in this post.
>>287535257There is literally nothing wrong with saying there is something wrong with that.
>>287533852Especially since it's been shown that they are MORE harmful, and have a chilling effect on people who want to discuss their experiences.
>>287535262>>287535171Have you considered that coming across like you were "enlightened" by reading the generic, willfully divisive engagement-bait crap that social media algorithms shove into your face, whether right or left-wing, is just fundamentally unappealing & not artistically interesting? That a manga author becoming the kind of person who thinks "kekistan" and "God Emperor Trump" is comedy gold would also make their artistic output less enjoyable?
>>287535262>>287535322I do not give a fuck about the political beliefs of the authors of the manga I read in general. I don't follow what they say on fucking twitter or whatever because I don't give a fuck. I don't care about them at all, I care about the stuff they create and if it is engaging to me.The only reason I am even aware of this fucking "controversy" is because of the shitstirring culture warrior retards spamming about it.
>>287535347He made a good argument and you are just being stubborn.
>>287535347And I just explained why specific worldviews are just fundamentally annoying and gay (and not in the good dick-sucking way) and might get in the way of others' engagement.
>>287527122You really need to be turbo gay to get hired at these leftist supercorpo and people will still look at you straight in the eye and tell there's no ideological preferred treatment in hiring.
>>287535375Like anything socially or economically right of center?
>>287535389Carl Barks' duck comics are likable and they're coming from a very fiscally right-wing guy. Atlas Shrugged is not.
>>287527546>Its on netflixIt was over before it even began
The continuous outrage from the rw crowd is funny because, although I'm far more on the left/woke side then I was earlier in my 20s, I'm still pretty sensitive to representation that comes off as preachy or insincere, and throughout my whole reading of the manga I didn't feel preached to. None of the representation came off as overdone at all. So if you're upset at this manga I think it's really just that you don't like seeing minorities in fiction and are trying to find a reason to dislike them.
>>287535407Digimon Tamers has a straight up Captain Planet-ass diversity programmer crew and it's still clearly not the kind of show that would use trigger warnings.
>>287535407>feel
>>287535262>of someone's generic social media pop-politics beliefs honestly..It's a normalfaggot's way of engaging with media..>Will I watch this anime? No, I'll check the author's twitter...is the author leftoid/rightoid? ohmygod...look what xe said on x...literal normalgroid people politicsIf you waited for the anime to get into something clearly stupid first, then commented on it, or stuck to manga threads, I'd understand, but this is just...
>>287535449>If you waited for the anime to get into something clearly stupid firstDoes it really take that long to introduce the gay characters?
>>287535429There's like two content warnings in the whole manga and as far as I remember they're about fairly serious topics, not frivolous things. If they don't apply to you then you can just ignore them. Not everything is made specifically with you in mind.
Who cares, if an anime is censored, I'm not watching it, simple as that
>>287534949>If Princess Knight came out today, there'd be constant threads mourning the death of Japanese culture to the trannies and liberals.Complete delusion where you equate anyone who doesn't like you with /pol/ extremists (after all, you're just normal, and those who disagree with you are the strange ones - but then you're also fighting the status quo somehow?) Somehow implying that the people posting on an English-language anime board in 2026 are more radically socially conservative than Japanese people in the goddamn 50s. All this straw-grasping nonsense a result of not being able to admit that you guys are just not likable and that you've attached a whole slew of unworkable, immediately-alienating ideas to the very concept of progressiveness.Compare the pages you posted, that are just critically portraying a hardcore racist, to the utterly insane Proud Family reboot episode about interracial dating - little more than an angry racially-charged femcel rant, approved of by the Disney corporation.The rest of your post is just really dumb about art styles, creating a bizarre and hyper-specific definition of "Tumblr art" to suit the argument you're trying to make. I don't know if you even believe this definition yourself, or if you'd ever use it in another context. Can something stylistically similar to Steven Universe or Craig of the Creek (belonging more or less in Tezuka's stylization family) not be "Tumblr art"? Why would a certain level of realism/avoidance of cartoony stylization somehow be a requirement of "Tumblr style"? This is a standard that only exists in your head right now.
>>287535465>serious
>>287535407Women are minorities now?Nigga, there are literally more women than men on Earth
>>287535473>art stylesYou shouldn't say anything about this while posting such an ugly pic.
I was wondering what all the fuss about this manga/anime is but now that i know there's minorities and other such things that i dislike i will avoid it for sure.
>>287535479...are you implying that you're upset by seeing women in fiction?
>>287535486
>>287527653the UN should be removed from the face of earth, their way of solving sexism isn't just giving women more opportunities or equality. Their whole thing is built on demonizing and hating men, whether it's hobbies or what men want, they really just want revenge and you should bully them harder until they see what they're actually doing.
>>287534966>there's nothing to trigger political schizos.uh.. https://www.dailywire.com/news/why-the-left-hates-hit-animes-simple-message-about-good-and-evil
>>287535465>lol you're delusional if you think this tumblr bullshit will ever catch on in japan>lol it's just a little trigger warning, it's just a little chapter about the harmfulness of problematic tropes, lol it's just a little feature from the global org that wants to censor manga
>>287529320Trump proved you can fix things up if you get people's vote, we just need a leftist hating, real freedom loving president in there instead of whatever this is.
Post tumblr
>>287535484The subject of the discussion was literally "tumblr art" you dope.
>>287535536
>>287531103You’re good anon. This anime was so bad I use it as a litmus test for how npc and shitty someone’s taste is.
>thread is still here/a/ is fucking dead.>>287535535>Trump proved you can fix things up if you get people's vote,Enjoy your gas prices, you absolute fucking retard. I hope they send you to the front lines in the third iran war.
>>287535598
>>287533770You can't fight for /a/ culture on /a/ anymore, I'm surprised this thread is still up.
>>287533770It's all because of america. If america got nuked, the world would heal over night.>b-but it's israel! they own VISA!If you're a schizo to believe this, consider that america is israel's greatest ally. They even control the damn president.
striking...
>>287528453>>287528524>s-she's actually in favour of fanservice!!!then she should put it in her works
>>287535678guy or girl?This art is so ass
>>287535473>Somehow implying that the people posting on an English-language anime board in 2026 are more radically socially conservative than Japanese people in the goddamn 50s.They are more socially conservative than Tezuka.Tezuka wasn't an average man. He was very politically motivated and wrote heavily on the topic of social justice. Anti-war, pro-environment, anti-racism, anti-sexism, pro-animal rights, etc. Compare that to 4chan where half the board believes we need a fascist military dictatorship to declare war on international jewry for the sake of saving their vril from the soiboy tranny cucks and that rolling coal is good political practice. Half of the board would agree with the military officer in the pages I posted in just about every way. Something like Steven Universe is typically defined as a 'CalArts' style, rather than strictly Tumblr influenced. Aesthetically it has a different lineage.
>>287535684Being against fanservice, or not adding any, or actively fighting it everywhere is a huge difference, braindead retard.
>>287535684Already did. In the manga she wrote about adult women, and not the one she wrote about girl children.
>>287535711You tried.
>>287535706>rolling coalI just looked this up.Retards give themselves cancer because they're angry and dumb?
>>287535722You sure didn't. No proof, nothing.
>>287535146>With her only fault being that Trigger didn't actually have a plan for Atomsk>TriggerAnd you know, the whole "being really manipulative and selfish and practically a villain in her conscious goals, and her interactions with a boy who empathized with her good qualities slowly squeezing the best out of her">rejecting society and traditional femininity and becoming a travelerBecoming a photographer is gender bending now.>Ninamori is the most adult of any characterThe entirety of episode 3 was about challenging her pubertal smugness. She's about as "adult" as Naota.>Takkun is a boy with no male role models who has his sexuality turned into a physical representation that as a male he must take control over and repress."Control" yes, "repress" is in your head. Atomsk-Naota was anything BUT repression.>Amarao as a cop and authority figure is actually a weak cuckhold of a man who larps as an adult.He's a pretentious manchild, an example of what Naota could have become, and a fate he avoided through honesty and self-acceptance.>And he's dragged around by all the women around him but isn't 'rewarded' with any in the end.Woke is when "a boy gets manipulated by girls & women and you're supposed to empathize with him"Not that the girls are portrayed as objectively evil vagina dentatas, or that shallow immature faux-masculinity isn't parodied through Amarao, but if you take that as proof of "wokeness" you're just acting like "anything containing fundamentally, generally good messages represents my ideology and anything obviously bad belongs to the enemy ideology"I know I'm likely replying to a fakepost but I had fun doing it
>>287535733I am confident in my own skin.
it'd be so nice if people these days practiced the basic skill of empathy
>>287526960We already knew this. There's a reason this was super hyped by redditors.
>>287535757I'm not going to practice a vice the world is already bad enough.
>>287535767>suddenly redditThe mindbreak is complete.
>>287535773>suddenly
>>287526960Gatekeep harder moe-troon
>I had fun doing it
>>287535785You're brown.
>>287527920they do not have direct power but they fund activist NGOs and lobbyists.
la criatura
>>287535465>only two trigger warnings>serious topicsThe absolute state of apologists lmaoWhat a bunch of retards
>adding content warnings means it's wokeNo brain cells left.
>>287535743>triggerYeah, mea culpa.Haruko is an antagonist, but she's also self-actualized and potent and competent and reshapes Takkun's view of himself and the world in a positive way. Introducing him to a world of individualism and willness to take action that he lacked. Regarding Mamimi, being a traveling photographer that will likely never settle down is something that is gender bending in the context of typical femineity in Japan. Look at works like Kino's Journey or Enamon for how the women that typically live that lifestyle are characterized as being 'weird' or 'not normal' in some way. Ninamori did have to lose her condescending smugness, but she was still clearly ahead of both her peers and the adults around her in being mature and adult. No, she wasn't able to publicly admit to wearing glasses, but she was able to maturely handle the anxiety on her own terms. A person doesn't have to combat their weaknesses directly to overcome them. She is becoming the adult that others will never be. Saying that Takkun is merely manipulated by the girls is a shallow reading. Like I said, Haruko is a huge positive influence on him in the end, and set him on a path to being better than his father or grandfather. Mamimi and him getting over their idealization of his brother was a psychological partnership that both benefitted from. And of course Ninamori and Takkun are basically a traditional romantic pairing and he grows up significantly from her influence. Woke is when a boy is groomed for functional adulthood by the women around him and every other man is a failure or absent.
>>287535827On you that is. But consuming slop like wha does that to your already little brain. Imagine Berserk with a content warning before the eclipse.
>You have to complete the magic circle, Coco >Leave even the smallest gap and no magic will happen >Full circles only, CocoIf you praised this magic system, you should take a vow of silence.
Since when is /a/ full of apologetic twitter trannies
>>287535827yeah that's what that means
>>287535840>Imagine Berserk with a content warning before the eclipse.So what if it had that?Would you get mad and foam out of your mouth?
https://x.com/ethoswaifuwu/status/2045277150018695511?s=46https://x.com/jaqqo_lantern/status/2045185609006805060?s=46I think Shirahama-sensei is ok with lolis and shotas since she follows a lot of those artists and works with the fate series.
>>287535706>anti-sexismBy far the thing he was most traditionalist about with stuff like drawing female athletes as ugly hairy bulldykes when talking about hormone levels or "losing your ovaries makes you practically a man"He was definitely progressive; he also wrote stuff like "conflicts between riot cops and violent protesters have mindless NPCs on both sides", portrayed the Israel vs Palestine conflict in a way that could easily be construed as "both-sides centrism" (it wasn't, but under "woke" standards yeah), in some instances portrayed Japanese prejudice explicitly against *white* gaijins, etc. Was just generally a "let's all get along" hippie and not a "righteously attacking the oppressor identity" type which is what defines "the bad sort of wokeness" to anyone who isn't a /pol/ extremist (who you like to pretend half this board is because otherwise you wouldn't get to feel special).
>>287535848AGPThey enjoy watching little lesbian girls and would shut their brain to criticism.
>>287535848Since immigrants flooded 4chan in 2016 and tried to replace the culture.
>>287535859It would not because Berserk isn't woke and Miuri isn't a talentless coward.That's the difference, brainlet.
>>287535859>remember that gay manga with the fag sex?Only literal fags liked that one.
>>287535848>>287535872>if you like wha you're trans!/pol/ was a mistake. moot should have not restored the board. Now subhumans like these spam /a/ and mention their favorite thing which they can't stop thinking about (trannies) and interpret the world through "what would a tranny think". They don't understand the slightest thing about /a/, would hasve called it full of trannies back in 2010, if they had been here.Worthless subhumans.
>>287535894It totally is though, sorry.
>>287535894>>287535898>>287535908>incoherent retard noises
>>287530070seems to be a world wide problem across various mediums.
>>287535860Which one of these tiny accounts is yours?
>>287535906>people keep posting based takes in my anime board reeeeeeee shut it down!we were pol before pol was pol
>>287535906Wow the AGP pedo is actually some schizophrenic racist aiiieeee
The retarded grandpa has been in office for over year, but america is still a corrosive woke force.Why did he fail?
>>287535933>retarded grandpaI don't recall any relative of yours ever making it to the White House.
>>287535859Don't you think something of value is lost when a chapter or episode's contents are summed up for you beforehand? If there are types of content you'd prefer to avoid, a simple google search will tell you whether a piece of media is safe for you or not. No need to spoil everyone else.
>>287535916we are talking about the manga where the guy mc fucks a black guy right?
>495 repliesBravo /apol/ and associated jannies
>>287535928Your /pol/ predecessors at least glorified hitler. Now you lust after some grandpa with a limp dick who ruin s his economy for israel.they wouldn't have used "based" (word popularized by a black rapper).
>>287535954Woketards just consume like mindless drones. They don't care about artistic integrity
>>287535961No I mean specifically that talk was all over /a/ before pol even existed.Even complaining about pol just outs you as a newfag.
>>287535954>it's bad because it's.... a spoiler!>>287535959Kind of.>>287535968>adding a content warning is... lack of artistic integrity! also you're woke!Go suck your presidents jew cock.
>>287535960>waaaaaah you can't talk about the state of anime industry on /a/ waaaah
>>287535980Not true. We called them stormfags and we laughed at them.Not surprised that you call random people newfags, while exposing yourself as one.>>287535982>waaaaaaaah israel cock hurt my butthole and that's why /a/ must be about the culture war (which I'm losing)
>>287535861That criticism of the Anpo protests was pretty common from leftists at the time. You see it in a lot of Garo manga. Leftists thought that the movement lost its revolutionary potential and just became a place for larpers to go and put on a show because they didn't have any real ideology. So it was just a bedlam of meaningless chaos where neither side understood the real problem.
>>287535999No one talked about that shit.>we
>>287535981>>it's bad because it's.... a spoiler!And it's good because you don't have the capacity to google?
>>287535860>tweet from 2015 where she used the term "loli" for a character who was barely even loli-like, before she was into these politics to begin with and when she made "funny pervert" jokes>"damn look at these follows among a list of 1478 people" as if general hypocrites and explicitly shota hypocrites don't exist, as if you can't like "problematic" stuff while signaling against it for approval or siding with people who want to censor it NAOKI YAMAMOTO TAKATOU RUI, as if you couldn't have followed someone for one or two pictures you liked while eventually losing track of what they posted given the awful algorithm, or maybe you do legit dislike some things THEY POST but you're just not autistically obsessive about unfollowing anyone who might draw something and the image you try to project is different from your actual behaviorI'm sorry but if you are a shotacon and then promote shit like "PC culture is good, shut up about 'cancel culture', anime butts are icky, pervert jokes are gross", buddy up with the UN etc you're digging your own grave. She absolutely would never publicly defend loli or even shota porn.
>>287535999>weYou and the voices in your little head, schizo
>>287536024Dumb argument. Using google would probably spoil you even more.>>287536018>>287536041Sorry if that triggers you.https://desuarchive.org/a/search/text/stormfag%2A/order/asc/
>>287536030It's the same level as proof as you have. >giving an interview with a mag connected to the UN is buddying up with the UNSee >>287530330 which lists most jap TV stations as member.
>>287536060>2014I accept your concession.
>>287536060>Dumb argument. Using google would probably spoil you even more.Please spell out your interpretation of my argument. You might be brain-damaged and it'd be good to verify.
>>287536103>might be
>>287536101>2014The search starts 2008, when the archive started archiving posts from /a/.>>287536103You think adding a content warning means the manga is woke.I don't need more to know that you're a retard grasping for straws.
I love the state of these threads
>>287536126It's too late, you already conceded.
Can you guys tell me when was the last time you enjoyed a western tv show? I feel like I'm an outlier with how woke everything feels now.
>>287536139>lol u already conceded! I won!!!That's childish. Your arguments are objectively stupid.Why don't you dump loads of proof that the mangaka is the kind of woke you think she is? Because you can't. You're a child that gets angry on xitter. Now your worst concern is losing an argument to someone you call brain damaged.Pathetic.
>>287536002I mean some people "critical of the loss of revolutionary potential" ended up becoming more radical a la Red Army/East Asia Anti-Japan Armed Front types >>287530467 which... weren't exactly glorified in Tezuka's Neo FaustTezuka was pretty explicitly an "offensive violence is bad" guy. Atom would straight up say "this isn't helpful and makes thinks worse for robot civil rights" (early chapter in Astro Boy volumes). He was definitely seen as a wishy-washy pussy by a lot of people in that generation; see the introduction he did for the Blue Knight arc where he talks about his work being seen as outdated (drawing Zenkyoto guys throwing rocks at Atom) then explicitly apologizes for temporarily making Atom into a robot separatist for edgy appeal, says it was a mix of editorial input and him wanting trendy money, then literally draws himself hugging Atom & apologizing for making him anything but a champion of justice. Like the most autistically honest shit that makes it clear he saw "we all gotta get along" as the core of what Atom stood for, and something good.He was undeniably a progressive and would have hated /pol/ but he ain't your dark woke culture war figurehead either
>>287536161When was that 70s show?
>>287535711do you mean "but not adding any" you pretentious moron>>287535718gay
>>287536161I don't really watch western shit, I'm not a retarded wha fantroon.
Why can't burgerfats stop it?All they achieved are higher gas prices because israel was more important than the local economy.Are burgerfats just retarded?
>>287536163I got a dump for ya.
>>287535906this kind of attitude is exactly why WHA threads don't even bother discussing episodes of the anime as they air btw, just smug tumblrposting
>>287535981You seem obsessed with some old man's dick. Pretty woke of you.
>>287536126>You think adding a content warning means the manga is woke.No, another anon said that. I just think content warnings are bad for art regardless of what you call them and you're doing a terrible job dissuading me either way.
>>287536189You sure are debating like an adult, not like a child throwing literal poop jokes.
>>287536202It's important to know how to speak to someone (you) on their own level.
>>287536193There's nothing to discuss. This series is ass. Cowards can't produce meaningful art.
>>287536196Isn't that better than being obsessed with troons?Anyway, I'm not sucking that dick. You are.
>>287533058Of course the WHA wokecels are used good apologist. Just when you thought they couldn't be more pathetic.
>>287536078No retard it's being explicitly picked up by the UN to advertise among countless other manga artists because you have Twitter robot views, being immediately featured with disingenuous "the industry needs fixing" claims about female mangaka being an as of late slowly growing minority etc
>>287536198A content warning can be a bad idea. But the argument was about whether a content warning makes the mangaka woke.You can't follow a simple argument. You're just obsessed with winning an exchange in your xitter-fried short term memory, literally like a female child dissing her enemies on social media.
>>287536235How is that an argument? It just is, case closed.
>>287536216I haven't mentioned Trump because I couldn't care less about that senile scammer. However he lives rent free in your tiny schizo brain.
>>287536235>But the argument was about whether a content warning makes the mangaka woke.If so, why'd you reply to me with >>287535981>>it's bad because it's.... a spoiler! Shouldn't it be >It's woke because it's... a spoiler! Which would be a far stronger argument.
>>287526960If this manga is an industry plant, Kagurabachi is too, you can't name a single attractive woman in that mange.
>>287536235>dissingManchild language
>>287536232The mangaka didn't say "growing minority", just growing.
>>287536265You have convinced me.
>>287535999>welol
>>287535860The worst thing on the 'list' is tetu and most of their work is standard fantasy stuff with boys as the MCs. Like how WHA is for girls. Most of the others are accounts that started off as normal pixiv accounts and then started chasing money by posting more and more porn. Like JEFFR (https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/52884/artworks?p=5) and another that post missed, Vadass (https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/66760/artworks?p=8).Where the new stuff is all crude porn, but go a few years back and they were fan art and gallery accounts. If this is as bad as it gets, out of >400 follows she's still following some old accounts that now moved onto posting pornography for money, she's basically a saint.
>>287536258I'm not the one who's obsessed with troons (or jews) and brings them up as the cause of all evil at every opportunity.>>287536274Of course it is. I was describing what social media social interaction is like. It's childish and feminized.
>>287536285You didn't have to samefag a third time.
How are people unironically >/pol/ in 2026 when that board is full of boomers and bots lol. Anyone using them as some sort of own is a normalfag larper
>>287536304Why would I samefag the third time when it was my first post in the thread?
>>287536326>his first post in a 500 posts thread was "lol"I actually LOL'd.
>>287535951 >>287532162>>287532290 Isn't it weird how this thread is supposed to defend things like lolicon, but part of them make posts equating loli and pedophilia? And it's not the side which defends wha.
>>287536170I never said that Tezuka was some dark woke warlord. I said that he was definitely woke by modern standards, even if pacifistic, and that he'd be hated on 4chan deeply and devoutly. As much as Shirahama. And then we had a discussion about art intentionality, where Tezuka's artwork despite its aesthetic diversity is not the same as Kui's Tumblr influenced artwork. Because Tezuka's cartoonish caricatures weren't intended to represent the biodiversity of mankind in the same way that Kui's artwork is designed to do. And that for Tumblr artists that is something they pursue as a goal unto itself.
>>287536350The first quote was supposed to be >>287535929 .
>>287536337Yeah, this thread is about to be archived soon. Most worthwhile post
>>287536364Just post a new thread. OP will.
>>287536351I mean the problem is that all discussion is taken over by extremists on one side or the other to the point where "woke" is either 1. "anything that's not nazi" from the /pol/ side 2. for the modern "woke" side, either "anything that's not bigoted and/or selfish" if it's something with immense cultural importance that you can't influence by finger-wagging at it, OR "anything that fits my hyper-specific, neurotic standards of what a real progressive should be" if it's something you CAN influence by finger-wagging at itso it's impossible to talk about why Tezuka was a likable progressive and the Proud Family episode I mentioned earlier is fucking terrible, or why he was way cooler than Shirahama
>>287536351Anyone trying to mold old Japanese creators into modern Reiwa woke standards is a retard and should be ashamed of trying to convince others that this is a logical argument. It simply doesn't work and is boring ragebait
>>287536457>>287536351Though I will say this before going to take a shit: Tezuka was someone with a very active internal monologue and the creator I look up to the most in terms of his ideals. Shirahama is an algorithm baby and the leftist equivalent of a "Pepe Kekistan" guy.
>>287532979Gachiakuta is actually a perfect example to compare with how even Reiwa era leftist mangaka act and the differences in their manga. It's not " sus " and is directly contradictory to the idea that /a/ would just oppose any manga with progressive ideas. She's not doing propoganda interviews with the fucking UN and despite Gachiakuta being a manga with very progressive ideas, Urana isn't shitting on otaku pervert tropes
>>287536380This needed one thread to exhaust and get the topic out of the way
>>287536457>>287536504Tezuka is likeable because he is old, lol. That is why. He is history and not present and therefore anything you disagree with him on is attributed to space and time and these days he'd obviously be more close to the correct opinions. Like I said, if a modern mangaka did a bit like the heart transplant above today, it'd be relentlessly bitched about on /a/ for representing Japan going woke and being subverted by liberalism. Talking about algorithm followers when the entire reason that Tezuka jumped up to making more adult works like 'The Book of Human Insects' and shit, is due to Garo and other gekiga magazines (back when gekiga meant something more than 'it looks like Lone Wolf and Cub) booming hard and Tezuka smelled competition and opportunity, is funny. The guy was a human that responded to his environment as much as anyone else. Shirahama is pro-Palestine because that is topical, Tezuka was anti-Vietnam because that was topical. Both are intelligent people, but like everyone else they don't hold opinions randomly but as products of external stimulation. You care about things because they're happening around you right now.
>>287536457Giving retards free access to Internet was a mistake
So, uh, people in this thread are basically arguing about whether Shirahama-sensei is truly woke or not?
qifco
This thread is a mess.
>>287526960I could tell that after watching the first episode. Pure normalfag fodder.
>>287536605>and these days he'd obviously be more close to the correct opinions.Some of his weird old man views on women are the only significant thing I disagree with, honestly. Otherwise I think his views would apply pretty damn well to the modern age and would in fact make culture better if they caught on.>Like I said, if a modern mangaka did a bit like the heart transplant above today, it'd be relentlessly bitched about on /a/ for representing Japan going woke and being subverted by liberalism.You know a lot of "problematic' people like The Boondocks right>buhhbuhh being an algorithm baby is the same as being a human being influenced by your surroundings, there is nothing about social media addiction that makes human interaction and development of personal worldviews worse than it was in the past
>>287536457"Woke" is just a shit label that will turn every debate into two polarized retarded opposites.They could have talked about whether the artist wants fanservice gone from other manga.But there was never enough material to work with. For instance, no posts where she explicitly stated that. Not even in the interview with the magazine in OP, even though the interviewer obviously wanted to lead her there with that framing.
>>287536714You disingenuously attribute every aspect of Shirahama's modern liberalism to outside influence and falling for social media propaganda, but then say that Tezuka's liberalism (on account of happening 60 years ago) was authentic and true. As though there weren't large currents pushing that in that era. This is just an anti-modernity bias.
>>287536749You only say that because the label describes you.
>>287536797Nothing about politics in the current year is authentic, " anti-modernity bias " is just correct
>>287536843>no u! (I have one hehehehe)Grow up.
>>287536002>>287536714Oh and Garo culture back when the mag was very explicitly political by and large was "toxically masculine" by modern leftist academic standards. Look at what people like Ryan Holmberg & Helen Chazan wrote about them. That's the problem with the subculture you're representing here; you guys use some author from the 60s as "heh the CHUDS would say this is WOKE now" ammo but when in your own spaces suddenly it's "Tezuka hated the gays actually", "this guy liked cartoon tits too much" etc. Oda is both le dark woke hero of social justice and a gross misogynist.>>287536797I'm pretty sure the anti-modernity bias is valid when social media is clearly an armpit and extremely observably unhealthy.One common way of viewing things that's rampant now, but was not at all in Tezuka manga (and perhaps the best definition of "woke") is assuming there are fundamental "oppressor" and "oppressed" groups based on identity and using that to justify unequal treatment (the charitable version is ''to achieve equality'' at the end but no that's not necessarily even the goal)
This manga is the most inoffensive woke I have ever seen
>>287536864Your canned rebuttal doesn't make sense considering you never called me the thing. You are just not smart enough to think on your own.
>>287536883>I just opened my eyes for the first time today
>>287536797>>287536873Basically when you're "DESTROYING the reactionaries with FACTS and LOGIC" Tezuka is a shiny golden god that perfectly encapsulates your beliefs, and would be seen as extremely woke in the modern era. Then 5 minutes later when you're in a different space, he's this https://www.animefeminist.com/history-the-transcendent-and-the-perverse-sexuality-in-apollos-song-and-mw/People like Yoshihiro Tatsumi are either peak leftist or "emblematic of the boys club mentality of 60s activist circles"
>>287536898>some guy gets punished for creating magic to creep on womenLITERAL 1984
>>287536912It's the metatextual element you doofus.
>>287536889The "one" was a typo" for "won" but thanks for asking.Seriously, you're bitching like a teenager girl without saying anything substantial. You're just bitching for the sake of bitching and to be the "winner" in some kind of worthless retard exchange. Must be the social media brainrot.If anything you're proving me right, because you're discontent that I took a third position and called your position polarized. You want to drag me back in into your low EQ social media bitch fight.It's fucking cancer.
>>287536912Are there fags in this anon?
>>287536935No u requires conditions that were not fulfilled.You really are just a retard.
>>287536967>ur dumb!>I smart!OK, you've won.
>>287536883This, it's like getting mad at a random retard from tumblr...sure, it's tumblr, tumblr is pretty gay, but for what purpose?
>>287536541Atsushi Okubo is the most "ahhh I love black people so much..." guy and he immediately lost any and all "true woke" cred (doesn't even get to be "Schrödinger's Woke", invoking either his "ignorant use of fanservice" or his pro ethnic diversity views when convenient - just a total chud now) once he told anti-fanservice feminists to go away
>>287536982Your attempts to ignore the fuckup you made are not working.
>>287536350>>287536361Why is nobody else noticing this?
>>287537009Are you just lonely and want someone to talk to, or why are you continuing this?Seems most worthless.
>>287537016I disagree with him but I care less about some anon using whatever he can to insult you than I do about the UN being faggots. Sorry!
>>287537032>Seems most worthless.Enough about your life.
Shirahama turned off replies on her recent post, I guess that means she’s aware of this whole drama?
>>287537065Come on shame culture work your magic an hero.
>>287537035Remember back when the UN actually pushed against lolicon and seemed to have a chance, but the japanese manga industry pushed back and told them to fuck off?Anons who post like that have the same position as the UN back then.
>>287527423Honestly I wish he'd stop with the horse sex.
>>287535706Oh and>Something like Steven Universe is typically defined as a 'CalArts' style, rather than strictly Tumblr influenced.>Aesthetically it has a different lineage.The two are pretty heavily interlinked. Someone drawing two Jojo guys as obese top surgery scar-havers with obscure sexual orientation flags on their cheeks giving each other the most chaste & non-sexual kiss imaginable would be immediately noticeable as "Tumblrshit" even if it were drawn in Steven Universe style. Again, you equated "Tumblr style" with a very specific and very convenient level of realism-to-stylization to separate it from everything else and win the argument - while also ignoring that what you called "caricature" by definition uses reality as its basis, not an emotional avatar of reality.>No one looks like a Tezuka character. Because Tezuka characters aren't meant to look like people you'd see on the street.>They're cartoonish beyond that comparison because the goal is to depict a hyper emotional avatar for a real person that can depict a stronger emotional meaning than a realistic physical body.This applies more to some Tezuka characters, and far less to others. There is a sliding scale of conservative cartooning & radical cartooning in his work and you can't equate a serious character from MW in a dead serious scene to how Atom is drawn in a comedic chapter like they're the same thing and have the same artistic purpose. Sometimes it was "emotion-based abstraction of humanity", sometimes it was caricature, sometimes it was just straight up tonally serious drawing. Yet you simplify it all as some kind of wackity smackity rubberhose.
>>287536873>>287536906No one that has read a few Garo works is shocked by accusations that it was a boys club. Tsurita Kuniko is notable for being a successful woman that published in the magazine. Otherwise almost every major author was dedicated to telling masculine stories about men in male society. Now, Garo being a fount for 60s Leftism and also being a boys club is not contradictory. You can be imperfect in one way and still represent a political force. Manga artistry was not truly open for women until the Year 24 Club started turning out hit after hit. The rest of what you're talking about are just people disagreeing with one another. This is normal. Some people call Tolkien a warrior for the European spirit, others call him a dirty old hippie that was too dumb to understand the need for modernity and how it propelled Europe to its greatest heights.
>>287536873The oppressor vs oppressed dichotomy was absolutely powerful in Tezuka's era. That is the heart of Marxism, and that was stronger as an ideology in the US and Japan both, in the 60s versus today. The odd fascination older mangaka had with American Blacks was part of this, for example. Where they felt a kinship with Blacks because they perceived a mutual oppression by the White Europeans. Modern social media may get more people involved in politics, but it isn't fundamentally any different from the old world of it. Ever since the printing press a certain portion of people are rabidly politically involved and that won't change until the nukes fall and literacy disappears again. Thoreau used to complain that people read too many newspapers in the 1800s.
>600 posts>still no proof that she's woke>or an industry plantGo ahead, call me a jew or something.
I'm more annoyed by that fucking leech that killed all my interest in the manga.
>>287537402It was already scientifically proven anon...
>>287537304Thing is, there's rarely any disagreement. Practically no one who goes "Eiichiro Oda is woke and proves wokeness sells" will defend him when a feminist says his female character designs are sexist. "Yeah male characters having less body variety than male ones, and the attractive ones overwhelmingly being portrayed as thin hourglass-shaped stylized bombshells, can fit under wokeness, because the author is a straight man and draws what he likes" is not something you will hear. "Tatsumi can portray male frustrations with the opposite sex the way he does and still be woke" is not something you will hear.>>287537401So you're just gonna ignore all the shit I said here >>287535861 and here >>287536170>Where they felt a kinship with Blacks because they perceived a mutual oppression by the White Europeans.Yeah and then he showed you can be racist to white people. lol.>That is the heart of MarxismPretty sure that's class oppression and not identity-based oppression.Also you missed the>fundamentaland>and using that to justify unequal treatmentbecause you are retarded
