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Good luck anons, but I don't ever see myself escaping this.
Finding out my gpu can generate hundreds of very specific porn in minutes has scuppered any chance.

I tried for a while but couldn't stick it.

Cope Christ cuck

>>31019497
The first few days are the worst. I had a lot of support while I was quitting, and only thanks to that support I was able to quit for longer than single week in the past few years.

>>31019481
I've done the 90-day challenge and succeeded! My goal now is 1 full year.

You can have sex with a woman during a reboot.

My strategy is to exercise until drowsy, eat healthy and when urges to relapse occur, ignore until it passes.

>>31019553
And how are you getting on now?

>>31019588
I'm good. Over 3 weeks free. My brain was, and still is in a bad state, mainly due to the the porn addiction supressing a lot of past memories that I still did not process. The first thing that came back after that long break is disgust for porn - I just feel disgusted while even thinking about this stuff.

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>>31019497
if you can quit for a day, you can quit for good; an extended period of time is just many individual days piled up.
>>31019560
congrats. I am striving towards 90 days but would also like to quit once and for all. on day 7 and feel like I'm in a good headspace overall. I'm reminding myself in the morning of the potential urges to come throughout the day and to try to think long-term, not about my immediate bodily desires, and to look forward to letting the urges come and go.

>>31019988
Disagree with your first point.
"later" is a hell of a lot different than "never"

>>31019481

Porn addiction isn't real

>>31019481
What should I do if I want to get addicted to porn?

>>31020097
>a hell of a lot different
I'm not sure how you would quantify that - not to say you can't do so - but I would certainly agree that "an extended period of time" and "forever"/"for the rest of your life" are not the same. there are different scopes at which you could analyze "the rest of your life", but as "many individual days piled up" isn't wrong for one, and it is something that you can do. not only that, but I think people are generally less inclined to think long-term about their life (though I think we all do think about our extended future from time to time at least). if you can fight the worst of urges for a day, you can do that for multiple individual days piled up - I would maintain that. other people claim they have done so, and while perhaps some have lied about it, I don't think it's some great conspiracy where every single person has done so.

>>31020112
>t. the biggest porn addict to have ever existed
>>31020118
watch and jerk off to porn a lot. like a lot a lot, always trying to find the next best video.

bumpz

is it retarded to basically not touch myself or go on the internet for like 90 days and then start jacking off simply as a release valve?
I'm not likely to have sex anytime soon, which I'm assuming would be the ideal way to fight this, so I figured after I give my brain time to recalibrate, I jack off maybe once a week/once every 2 weeks without imagination or porn to keep the engine running and keep the testosterone release cycle spinning.
Thoughts?

I'm trying my best to abstain, but porn just keeps seeping into my brain like a cancer. I might need jewpills to rewire my brain unfortunately.

>>31022491
i don't love the "90-day" timeframe that gets posted around personally
i think of recovering from porn addiction to be similar to an obese person trying to become a healthy weight
>well how many days to i have to maintain a caloric deficit to be healthy again?
that's an impossible to answer question, it depends on how bad you are, and i think this is exactly the same way
with respect to masturbation without porn, i think it can be a useful, but dangerous tool.
on one hand, by doing so, you are starting to disconnect the association between masturbation/orgasm and pornography. this is good, especially if you can masturbate with purely physical sensations or to a real memory of kissing or having sex
on the other hand, the association between masturbating and porn still exists, so often masturbating will increase the porn urges for a little while in my experience
i recommend treating masturbation like a bank robbery; get in, get the orgasm, and get out as quickly as possible.

>>31019497
Do whatever the fuck you want to do. We'll all die anyways

>>31022973
I know, shit's tricky. The problem is, our bodies are designed to seek out sex, so I think it's not very healthy to abstain completely. It's not like heroin where you just have to stop entirely. But I agree, the mental connection between the "good feeling" of an orgasm and porn needs to be severed. The question is what is the best way of doing so. Abstaining entirely until you have sex seems the most straight forward way, but ignoring your libido is counterproductive, because your not rewiring it to anything, you're just letting it die essentially.
This poses the question of how one should trace a new pathway in the brain that connects the reward circuit with a healthy (or at least not damaging) activity. If you start to just jack off without porn immediately, then the lingering association will still affect how you do it and you will either use the memory of porn as material, or straight up go back to doing it. That's why the 3 month time period seems reasonable to me, because it gives your brain an adequate amount of time to reset itself without straight up neglecting your body's main purpose.
I honestly don't know what the right balance is though.
I'd unironically rather be addicted to meth, because at least then I would know that simply not taking it is the best strategy. a la mind over matter.
You can't do that with masturbation, because your body will crave sexual release no matter what.

>>31023334
>but ignoring your libido is counterproductive
forgot to add: That is if you're not likely to have sex anytime soon. Otherwise you'd just fugg and overwrite the bridge between porn and feeling good.

I deleted all my fetish porn. Now what? I'm bored and my mind keeps wandering back to it. What do I even do once I stop looking at porn?

>>31024862
Hobbies.
Slow hobbies that take years to perfect and are nowhere near immediately as rewarding to your monkey mind than that extremely specific porn you'll never find again.

>>31025007
Your wording is making this harder.

>>31023334
> ignoring your libido is counterproductive
The clergy do that and they don’t have problems
If you have no use for masturbation or sex, then there is no need to entertain the urge.

>>31025072
>The clergy do that and they don’t have problems
The catholic church is full of gay pedophiles

>>31024862
>I'm bored
This is the real problem. Of course if you're bored you reach for porn, who wouldn't? Something that's immediately pleasurable seems way better than sitting there doing nothing. The trick to not going back to is to not allow yourself to get bored like that

You know the real reason 'normal' people don't get really deep into porn addiction? They're too fuckin busy, if they were sitting in their bedroom all day of course they'd get addicted to stuff like porn but they're not sitting around, they're staying busy

bumpies

>>31024862

>>31025007
this, you just need to get busy and the addiction will heal by itself

>>31019481
The only thing that has stopped me from using porn, social media and other life wasters has always been spending a lot of time with real people. In my brain this is ultimately what I crave, without socialization I am left with a hole in my life that needs to be filled. And I fill it with whatever I find on my computer. I can workout, and go outside, but the most effective lifestyle change is just enjoying time with people I love. It is so much easier to say no after visiting someone.

bump

>>31019481
lmao how'd they get that photo?

brothers. if you aren't already, i highly recommend
>meditation
>lifting weights
both for quitting porn as well as general life improvement

>>31032688
>lifting weights
based
get yourself a pull up bar and become THE WEIGHT. that's all you need

>>31032688
>>lifting weights
I used to lift 3 times a week, almost without fail and then I have a kid and no time.
I really don't miss that nagging in my head if I haven't been, though.

Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWJeieIIot8

OP add this to the rentry

I went up from masturbating 4 times a day to 5. I could do even more if I actually exercised, but this is a good result nonetheless.

I'm so glad this thread exists I almost never come here. I'm so tired of it I want to stop but this lust and animal desire has overtaken me completely, I cannot stop thinking about booba. I've never held hands with a woman, I am going insane. I want to meet a woman and love and care for her.

I started watching porn at 8 y old and still i watch 2 times per day seens impossible to stop

>>31036100
fag

There is no such thing as porn addiction. Habits and libido are not addiction

>>31025072
yeah, but i'm not one of them.

>>31037291
Source?

Bumpie

>>31037291
porn is addiction

>>31037291
Arguing semantics is counterproductive to the point of the thread which is to reduce dependency on porn for sexual gratification and encourage a healthier relationship with women and the self.

Nigger.

I fucking hate when i google something completely unrelated and all the image results are porn. Its like i relapse for no reason. I dont engage with the content but its still annoying that I have to see it because it just desensitizes me further

Confession i Cranked my shit to an episode of my 600lb life today. This is fucked and I need to fix it. Being an architect is not based. I need christ or something.

>>31043786
Bro...yeah, start praying man

>>31019481
I abstained from porn today & fucked a whore instead.
2024 is our year bros.

>>31043786
looool; I've done way worse anon. Chin up bro

>>31044400
every femoid is a whore
>inb4 incel go back to r9k
but thats the truth, the sooner you accept it the better your life will be

>>31020204
>watch and jerk off to porn a lot. like a lot a lot, always trying to find the next best video.
Tried this, but I'm still having wet dreams, and waking up to morning wood. I don't think porn works.

bumpi

Quitting becomes infinitely easier if you have physical contact with women. It doesn't even need to be sex; even cuddling together is enough. In a way it's even better for healing, because affection is something porn can't ever provide.

>>31019481
hi everyone i'm trying to be a friend of God, so in the last week of lent i went to confessionary and all and since them i'm refraining from looking at sexy women that eventually appears in the streets and etc... and i'm going to Church every sunday and praying whenever i can, but i'm still feeling very lonely and desiring to have at least a gf, but it's hard i'm always looking down on myself (living in mom's house, no friends) at least i got a job and paying for my stuff, trying to make money to pay for a bike, still using public transportation, and it sucks but it's a place where i can look for a gf at least, without it i would never ever have chance to even talk to girls (not that i do, as i said, always looking down on myself) how can i break this cycle of self hate?
it always lead me to looking at porn to "stop suffering" when in reality it just does make me suffer even more after a porn session (repentance and self hate) how can i stop it?
i don't feel joy in reading, vydia, gym, nothing gives me joy, only drinking relax me. I feel despaired, every time i go to the Church, don't get me wrong i love going to Mass but i always see couples, families, friends and my sorrow ass there alone, it's insufferable.

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>>31025612

Signing up for dating apps has helped me a lot in resisting fapping since I need my dick to be working in case I go on a date/hook up. I'm still relapsing but not as frequently and there's more of a sense of consequence for doing so.

>>31047634
Thats envy. It’s also a sin. Try not to be sad at who and what they have

>>31047979
i don't think it's envy in the sense of desiring bad things to happen to them, just that i feel very uncomfortable, actually feel pathetic about myself.

>>31048002
Desiring bad things on others is hatred
Envy is sadness at the hood in others lives.
I know you’re lonely but you shouldn’t let others lives get you down. Try to be happy for those families. If you want, try to tell yourself that it’s a good thing. I often feel envy. But I see the good in others lives and I can tell myself thst they have families and friends for a reason. They made different choices

>>31019481
Porn 'addiction does not exist. Please check out the channel linked below.
https://www.youtube.compjmt/@Jay-Quit-PMO/videos

My dick no longer works

>>31022973
Doesn't the 90 day thingy come from semen retention then spread to NoFap culture then to porn addiction recovery

>>31047634
If you knew the actual Gospel then you would know that ot sets you free from the power of self hate. You should look into that Instead of just going to mass (I doubt anyone there really knows who Jesus is)

Holy shit, didn't that lot read the opening?

>I don't have a problem and I don't want to quit.
Then this thread is not for you. It is for people who recognize they have an issue and would like to get better.

Gentlemen, take a good damn look at the people trying to make this thread ugly. That's what you're up against.

I have a problem and I want to quit. I'm happily married and I love my wife. She just called me on FaceTime from work with the sweetest smile. Last night I cheated on her with porn but at least this time I didn't pay. Shit, even married, I can't escape all those years alone, fapping my problems away.

Made a week. Had a relapse at the end of that week, and was basically like "Hey, I still feel great. Let's just not do it again". Then you can probably guess, I relapse like five times three days later.

Starting a new streak now. The only benefit is my dick currently hurts so much from the last few days that I don't think I could go again for a few days if I wanted. New goal: two weeks.

if you keep track of what caused it, and take action to resolve those points, you might improve over time

Thanks, i like this thread keep exist. Knowing there's other people that want to stop their porn addiction.

>>31050484
I don't look at it as a relapse if it happens every 2-3 weeks. If you were a daily user then 2-3 weeks is a good run. Now see if you can top it. And if you mess up again don't go on a binder. Just accept you did it, forgive yourself, and move forward with the goal of doing better.

I seem to do a good job going 4-5 days. Longest was 30 something days. Currently on another 5 day streak. Hoping to keep it going through the weekend. Slept like crap last night and only got 4 solid hours. Let's not make a bad situation worse.

>>31049843
>ot sets you free from the power of self hate
care to expand on this a little, meaning, verses

I was a mindless coomer for years, played a part in ending at least one relationship. I realized it a while ago and decided to try to fix this. But it’s tough. I could go weeks or in some cases months but it’s always in the back of my mind. The only time I abstained for an extended period of time was when I was in a relationship and getting it regularly from an actual woman. After that ended back to the usual patterns. I have a blocker for my devices and it works but it can also be circumvented if I really want to.

So. Anyway. One day a few weeks ago I woke up and it was like the switch was flipped. I haven’t looked or been tempted or even jerked off. It just feels like the desire is… gone. I don’t even want to talk about it because I worry that talking about it will make me tempted. I watched that interview with that OF whore who came to Christ and I didn’t like the feelings I was getting while she was talking about it. I’m not even gonna say that I’m past it but I’ll just say keep at it and don’t beat yourself up when you relapse. Just keep at it and keep trying and know that this shit is some of the most insidious things made by man.

>>31047634
Do you listen to what the gospels actually say in mass? Do you go to confession regularly? Envy is a sin as well. There is nothing wrong with desiring a relationship and a family - indeed it’s a good thing. There is nothing wrong with being attracted to a woman. The problem with porn is that it perverts that desire into something harmful. So you need to take that energy and turn it into something positive and an impetus for change in your life. You can do that by using the life of Jesus and his teachings as a guide.

>>31051609
>don’t beat yourself up when you relapse
in my experience, this is the hardest part

>>31051615
>So you need to take that energy and turn it into something positive
I have read this retarded thing that doesnt mean anything over and over and over.
I have yet to hear someone who has aplyed this to practical use

>>31051699
If you want a wife then you need to go out and find a wife.

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>>31019481
why should i quit porn?
i'm told that porn is bad for me and ruining my brain but honestly i don't have any other choice since i've never been able to get a gf
if i had a girl i could have sex with and fufuil my sexual and romantic needs i never would have used porn to begin with so i don't really see the point in quitting since the only sexual gradification i can get and releaves stress
its not like some girl is gonna suddenly appear before me and ask to have sex with me any time soon

>>31051526
Sure, friend. Read Romans 7&8

>>31052270
>i don't have any other choice
This is an irrational statement, an assumption
>since i've never been able to get a gf
And how hard have you tried?
>its not like some girl is gonna suddenly appear before me and ask to have sex with me any time soon
Very true, which is why you have to go out and seek her
Anon, maybe part of the problem is that you view sex as an end in itself? Instead of companionship and love being the real goal?

>>31052323
interesting, you said ot

>>31052346
>This is an irrational statement, an assumption
is it?

I've tried every drug under the sun (psychedelics, benzos, dxm, ket, amps, coke, opiods, sans heroin and meth) and I can guarantee you with all my heart and IME that porn is the hardest to quit out of all of that. It's free. it's available everywhere.

And it's fucked me up the most (unluckily got exposed to porn at 3 years old and developed fetishes by the time I hit secondary. I was bolding by the time I was 16 and had extreme anxiety and depression. luckily thanks to nofap and pornfree i've gotten better). Now my mind is occupied with very specific fetishes most of my waking moment (but im on semen retention now): (dirty) humiliating ass to mouth, piss/gokkun consumption and rimjobs.

It's the most satisfying drug i've ever tried. period. do not touch it. it WILL fuck you life up and lead to you the worst path possible.

>>31019481
are there any bio femanons out here? every time im within a few days before and after ovulation i ruin everything all over. its frustrating and painful sometimes. I've been following nofap stuff for men but im wondering if there are any resources for women. thanks.

>>31019481
https://www.youtube.com/@Jay-Quit-PMO/videos

My dick turned purple and i earned an ED because i was edging too much for the last few years. Never ever edge, it kills your boner

>>31052455
Yes. Doctors who work in behavioral therapy talk about this all the time: It's human nature to look at our past actions and just assume that we are going to be doomed to repeat them forever, so we get ourselves trapped in this self fulfilling prophecy where we pretend so we can tell the future. In reality, you could be doing things to alleviate your loneliness. But you aren't doing them because you stubbornly insist on believing that its hopeless

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I think the main reason I can't escape porn is because there is no real alternative. I can't get a girlfriend without most likely bringing her severe misery because I am autistic. Can't stop masturbating all together because that isn't healthy. Can't just keep abusing porn because that isn't healthy. There is no true alternative. I can still masturbate using my imagination but it is literally just me imagining porn basically. Because isn't all sex basically just porn? If you watch a woman getting penetrated, its no different than you imagining it in your head.

>>31054013
I think its pretty rational
see, another one >>31054707

>>31054707
>Can't stop masturbating all together because that isn't healthy.
it is

>>31054806
I don't think so. I have actually done full 90 day no faps and all that happens is that my dick stops being able to ejaculate properly. Then once I masturbate maybe 8-10 times, the full functionality comes back. But I was literally shooting blanks when you would expect pretty hefty ejaculations if you had not been jacking off for 90 days.

>>31055749
no fap is dumb, no porn is smart

>>31055749
>my dick stops being able to ejaculate properly
and that somehow is a bad thing?
I dont understand

>>31055762
no fap is smart because when you are addicted to porn fapping might make you go back to it

How do you know if you are actually addicted to porn? I normally only use porn maybe 1-2 times a week. I went 4 weeks without using it on accident because I was out in the field for work. However, I always have considered myself a porn addict. Maybe I am not one after all if I can easily put it down?

>>31056950
In addictions that the medical establishment actually recognizes, the "amount" of substance consumed *NEVER* plays a role in determining whether there is an addiction or not. You can only have 2 drinks a day, but if it's negatively impacting your life and you have trouble quitting, you're still an alcoholic.
>I always have considered myself a porn addict
Presumably there's a reason you said this. Have you noticed negative effects from porn usage?

>>31054707
>there is no real alternative. I can't get a girlfriend without most likely bringing her severe misery because I am autistic.
Have you even tried? Fucks sake, you can't do anything meaningful in this life without the risk of complete and total failure. The solution is not to just give up

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>>31057629
You are right. I haven't tried but I have an easy time playing scenarios out in my head. Granted, I am bias because it is my head. I just doubt that a regular women(especially a woman from an urban location like myself) would want to date an autistic person.

PSA: Porn addiction isn't a real thing. It's snake oil just like NoFap. The science demonstrates porn is not addictive. Try actually examining the OPs few studies, most have nothing to do with porn and none discuss it being addictive.

>>31058100
PIED, desensitization, and death grip syndrome are definitely real

>>31058100
>The science demonstrates
You know fuck all about how science works

>>31058071
Won't know until you try
There are plenty of strategies and methods you can use to minimize the social impacts of your autism. There are plenty of high functioning autists who manage to get along just fine. Best thing you can do is see a mental health specialist

Porn addiction is a cope. It isn't real. You guys have paraphilias and porn didn't create them

>>31058100
>>31058823
>>31037291
if not with 'addiction', how would you describe the predicament of an individual with a problematic relation to it, of the sort you would find pained descriptions of throughout all renditions of this thread

masturbate to your imagination/memory

as for the urges/compulsions, i suggest taking naltrexone for 2 or 3 months. you wont have the urges or even care about porn while you take the med (1 time per 24 hours) and when you stop the medication youll be back to normal

>>31060109
They're gaslighting and coping, so they'd just describe it as "perfectly healthy behavior"

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A tale of two generals

>>31054707
>I can't escape porn is because there is no real alternative
This.
What am I supposed to do instead? I will never have a women that loves me so what is there except porn? Hookers? That gets too expensive quickly.

>>31019481
Is it worse to be addicted to porn or prostitutes?

>>31019481
life is so boring without porn..its day 0 and im craving to watch some latinas crush snails fml

>>31060846
This but one is /pag/ and the other is /srg/

>>31019481
Contributing with a video I actually liked.
Hope it helps you, fellow coomers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEEfeSuD_Po

>>31062135
>open video
>brown manlet speaking
>close video

>>31062150
He's a Harvad trained psychiatrist whose specialty is in addiction including porn addiction.

>>31062158
I don't care. I don't listen to brownoids.

>>31062167
>I don't care. I don't listen to brownoids.
Your choice, brother. I still think it's worth a watch since he addresses why NoFap doesn't work as it is, and offers alternatives to it, as well as explaining why you're stuck in that cycle.

>>31062176
I bet he doesn't explain how you're stuck in that cycle because you're deformed.

>>31062183
>because you're deformed.
What?

>>31062198
If you're deformed, you can't get chicks, so you resort to porn addiction.

>>31062253
>If you're deformed, you can't get chicks, so you resort to porn addiction.
Gotcha. No he doesn't mention that. I do feel sorry for those guys though, since I don't see a way out for em.

>>31062257
Well I'm planning suicide. That's one way out.

>>31062268
>Well I'm planning suicide. That's one way out.
Or go full monk-mode?
>maxx out self improvement in all areas + socialize with fellow men + prostitutes?
We have an autist and a deformed guy in our friend group and we love em.

>>31062275
Tbh, I think it's a joke to exist as someone who's deformed. Why try to make the best of it? What's the fucking point? You've already been cursed.

>>31062291
I get where you're coming from but to me, death is the end either way. Might as well try to enjoy whatever I can before the ride comes to a stop sooner or later.
You literally have nothing to lose, and the end is the same, but you might get a few laughs and good feels along the way.
Because you might find satisfaction in improving yourself for the sake of it, of renouncing women romantically, of finding meaning in whatever your passion is, of finding friendship in other men or groups.
And then, anyway, you die.

>>31062311
Is it really worth enduring a life of pain and self-loathing, for a few fleeting moments of joy?

>>31062334
I don't know what pain you're in, so I'm talking out of my ass and only referring to myself, since I can't speak for you or give you some bullshit universal platitudes.
I was suicidal in early 20s. Came near to it as well. But in the moment I almost offed myself I realized what I told you earlier here >>31062311

I decided that since I'm ready to die, might as well give living a shot. By not "fearing" death (not in the macho way, but in the desperation suicidal way) I didn't fear life either so I gave it an earnest shot.

I found friends, I found hobbies I liked, I found girls I was with and loved and lost. I found some meaning and a job I actually enjoyed. Haven't been suicidal since, even though I do get bouts of depression every now and then.
I have no idea what you're going through, it might be chronic incurable pain there's no medicine for and then I can see suicide as a valid way out. But most of the times the problem is your circumstances, which, you can work wonders on.

My advice - as shallow as it sounds, even though it comes from my own life experience, I'm an oldfag now - is since you'll die anyway, and since you're reaching that point now, you have nothing more to lose by giving life an earnest, best shot.

If you do and still feel this way, death is always there anyway. I hope you try.

>>31062356
>I found girls I was with
Oh so you're just a melodramatic failed normalfag.
Piss off. You are not welcome here.

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>>31052346
>Anon, maybe part of the problem is that you view sex as an end in itself? Instead of companionship and love being the real goal?
NTA. Since I was a (socially inept, chubby) kid in middle school, it seemed like an end in itself to me. Most of time got ignored by women, bullied by guys for my lack of experience. In high school, I was the classic nice guy, doing errands and hanging out with girls that friendzoned and could care less about me. Got ignored and came off as a creep in college. At various jobs, coworkers would pick up on my insecurities almost immediately and make jokes about my lack of sexual/romantic experience to my face.
>Every had your dick sucked?
>Why don't you have a gf? It's good for your mental health
>Want some coochie? Hehehe...
Shit like that. I know love and companionships are more important but I just don't have enough positive encounters to flip this mindset. I do feel gross with porn as I get older, but still peek at it.

Porn has fried my brain.
I don't think mankind was supposed to have access to millions of asses, boobs and vaginas 24/7.

It's a weird addiction because it's free, easy to access and unless you're in a really bad way, doesn't interfere with day to day. It's still bad.

One week of no fap, my dick feels dead, it couldn't get up even if it were to save his life. Throught the last 7 days, I have barely felt urges to fap or to watch porn. I wonder when will I be getting 100% erections and stop getting nervous around women I'm attracted to. Can anyone help me?

>>31063841

>> I wonder when will I be getting 100% erections and stop getting nervous around women I'm attracted to.

You won't. NoFap is snake oil. It doesn't do any of those things, it just causes you to deny yourself the natural, healthy behaviour of masturbation. There will be a short lived spike of testosterone then your body will re-up the wasted hormone and stop producing as much. If anything, NoFap will make all the things you mentioned worse.

Remember, porn addiction is not real. Having a libido or a bad habit is not an addiction.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1158136009001376

You all been indoctrinated into an internet cult and need to get yourselves out.

>>31064055
Maybe masturbation is healthy but I don't believe porn is. I was addicted to it and I'm glad I stopped watching it. My body doesn't produce testosterone anyway, and I have to get it through injections. I'm taking 1mg of ozempic weekly, could this be the problem? I exercise regularly although I'm overweight.

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There is NO SUCH THING as porn addiction. You are no more addicted to porn than you are addicted to action movies or brushing your teeth.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/02/140212153252.htm

https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2014/02/youre-not-actually-addicted-porn-says-new-study/358082/

>>31064152
It fucks your reward system up is the problem, you aren't going to get sick and possibly die from not having it.

The problems are how it fucks up your sex drive and life in general. I stopped masturbating/watching porn and the last 2-3 weekends (and some weekdays) I have actually managed to get out of the house and do things.

>>31064101

>> no testosterone anyway

Nonsense. You wouldn't be alive if that were true. Even women produce testosterone

>> ozempic

I take it you're in USA. Ozempic is a rebranded version of a drug that was banned in the EU because it took away the reward system in users and so they all killed themselves. Get off that shit and get some self control.

>>31064166

>> It fucks your reward system up

That is a bald faced lie. There id zero evidence of that. Porn isn't magic, it isn't doing anything to you a non-pornographic movie is. It's like saying action movies are addictive because of their fast paced nature and is thus addictive. It's a ridiculous thing to claim and there is no evidence for it.

>> The problems are how it fucks up your sex drive and life in general.

It doesn't do either of those things. You want to masturbate BECAUSE of your unmet sex drive. Porn doesn't change it in any way. It's just visual stimulation. The research shows it has the same effect as seeing a hot woman walk by or imagining sex.

>> stopped masturbating/watching porn and the last 2-3 weekends (and some weekdays) I have actually managed to get out of the house and do things

These are not correlations. You made positive decisions to do things in your life and that's it. You could have done that at any time without nofap. If you just go off that initial burst of positivity and don't take steps to cement the behaviours you will simply return to what you were doing before in the coming months. It never had anything to do with porn or masturbation. Only your mindset.

>>31019481
I think porn fuck my mind a lot, i meet my first gf is the most beautiful and incredible girl i meet in my life i'm very cool with she but the problem is that she detailed very explicit how she fuck with another dude for more than a year like she was very detailed about what she do to him and that shit just make me sick

I don't know if this is normal or is this is just porn fucked up my mind, yes i need therapy but i really like her, is just that i really feel very bad remembering all the shit she say to me about his sexual life with that dude

>>31064538

>> she detailed very explicit how she fuck with another dude for more than a year like she was very detailed about what she do to him and that shit just make me sick

Your reaction is normal and healthy. She is a whore with no respect for you and you should leave her immediately. This has nothing to do with porn. Watching porn can not harm you. Trying to have a relationship with a whore however, that will fuck you up for life.

Genuine question.

What's the point in trying to stop if you're so far from having a gf/sex life to replace cooming?
What's the point if I'm just going to keep getting horny, and then frustrated because I'm not fucking? At LEAST if I jerk off, that's out of mind for a while. And if I don't, I'll just coom in my sleep and make a fucking mess.

I really do want to stop. But I always end up back where I started after the sheer futility catches up to me.

>>31064552
>Whatching porn can not harm you
what's that based on?

>>31064553

There is no point even if you had those things. The antiporn crowd are religious puritans, toxic feminists and cultists. It is healthy and normal to masturbate, both sexes btw. It is healthy and normal to find stimulation for masturbation in any legal way you please. There is no evidence of harm from watching porn. None. The science doesn't bear it out.

>>31064590

Science. The overwhelming evidence of scientific research over the last 70 years.

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>>31062334
>Is it really worth enduring a life of pain and self-loathing for a few fleeting moments of joy?
Yes. It's the only life we have. I don't believe in an afterlife, but if there was one I think I'd eventually feel a degree of nostalgia for every aspect of life, even the hurting and the brooding.

>>31064538
That's highly unusual to go into detail unless you asked her to be so specific. Tell her that her painting the picture makes you uncomfortable and that you don't need to know all that. Rather artless to talk about ex's like that; stand up for yourself even if she tries to play it off like her indifference speaks to how 'over it' she is. And don't let her undermine you by trying to get you to feel like you're jealous.

>>31064553
If you're here asking these questions you already know that if you relapse you'll just end up with more frustration later, a frustration that accrues interest. You want to avoid the cycle of being frustrated, jacking off to stave off the frustration for a little while, and then being frustrated that you jacked off.
Wear two pairs of underwear when you sleep.

>>31064553
>what's the point
well it depends on what you're trying to stop in the first place. all you've specifically talked about in your post is jerking off, but presumably you're including watching porn with that. regardless, you can have different reasons. perhaps you want to be more in control of your life, you think porn and/or masturbation to be a base act, you don't like the objectification of it, you have ED, you have other symptoms of mental impairments. people want to quit for different reasons with some degree of overlap depending on the people. ask YOURSELF: why did you even consider quitting and have tried to quit to begin with? if you think those reasons are valid, then pursue it in spite of the difficulties. all you can do is face them as they come (no pun intended).

>>31064611
>Science. The overwhelming evidence of scientific research over the last 70 years.
any examples?

>>31064633

>>31064152 and >>31064055 are already in the thread.

>>31064655
those are about the notion of "porn addiciton" as a formal pathology, not whether watching porn can ever harm you

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>>31064655
>>31064152
>>31064055
Nice marketing. So, how much is Aylo paying you to push this? Or is it other multimedia porn corporation, Vixen? Was it as much as they paid researchers like David Ley?

>The two primary authors publishing CPUI-9 and Moral Incongruence studies (Joshua Grubbs and Samuel Perry) confirmed their agenda-driven bias when both formally joined allies Nicole Prause and David Ley in trying to silenceYourBrainOnPorn.com. Perry, Grubbs and other pro-porn “experts” atwww.realyourbrainonporn.comare engaging in illegal trademark infringement and squatting. The reader should know that RealYBOP twitter (with the apparent approval of its experts) is also engaging in defamation and harassment of Gary Wilson, Alexander Rhodes, Gabe Deem and NCOSE, Laila Mickelwait, Gail Dines, and anyone else who speaks out about porn’s harms. In addition, David Ley and two other “RealYBOP” experts are now being compensated by porn industry giant xHamster to promote its websites (i.e. StripChat) and to convince users that porn addiction and sex addiction are myths! Prause (who runs RealYBOP twitter) appears to be quite cozy with the pornography industry, and uses RealYBOP twitter to promote the porn industry, defend PornHub (which hosted child porn and sex trafficking videos), and attack those who are promoting the petition to hold PornHub accountable. We believe that RealYBOP “experts” should be required to list their RealYBOP membership as a “conflict of interest” in their peer-reviewed publications.

There's plenty more to say about the small group of agenda-driven researchers who are used by journalists to make articles that say "porn is okay!"

https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/relevant-research-and-articles-about-the-studies/critiques-of-questionable-debunking-propaganda-pieces/the-emperor-has-no-clothes-a-fractured-fairytale-posing-as-a-review-2014/

>they dismiss addiction on the basis of studies that are as much as 25 years old, ignoring numerous recent, contradictory studies/reviews that reflect the current consensus of experts.
>they do not acknowledge (or analyze) dozens of brain studies on internet addicts. All show hard evidence that stimulation via the internet is addictive for some users and causes the same fundamental addiction-related brain changes seen in substance addicts. A current list appears at the end of this critique.
>they ignore the first publicized brain-scan study performed on internet porn addicts/controls at Cambridge University (now published), which dismantles their conclusions.
>they dismiss all published studies showing ill effects from porn use on the grounds that they are “merely” correlational, and then proceed to cite as support for their pet theories various correlational studies.

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>>31064552
>David Ley is the author ofThe Myth of Sex Addiction,Ethical Porn for DicksandInsatiable Wives: Women Who Stray and the Men Who Love Themabout the joys of cuckoldry. He has written 30 or so blog posts attacking anddismissing NoFap,porn addiction, sex addiction, porn-induced sexual dysfunctions and porn’s effects on relationships. David Ley chronically asserts that porn use is harmless and if someone develops problems it’s because they had “other issues”. TV shows, magazines, websites too often turn to Ley as an “authority” on porn addiction and porn’s effects because themedical researchers– who would give an accurate picture of the state ofinternet addiction research– generally aren’t focused on internet porn specifically. Nor are they as readily available as eager Dr. Ley. He therefore gets to shape the debate in the media despite his utter lack of education in the neuroscience of addiction and sexual conditioning, and having never published any original research.

>David Leyand his close allyNicole Prauseoften work in tandem, with both equally cited as “the experts,” while actual top addiction neuroscientists, who have published highly respected studies on porn users (Voon, Kraus, Potenza, Brand, Laier, Hajela, Kuhn, Gallinat, Klucken, Seok, Sohn, Gola, Kor, etc.), are omitted. NeitherLey nor Prause are affiliated with any university, yet some journalists, perhaps influenced by Prause’s potent media services, mysteriously prefer both over the top neuroscientists at Yale University, Cambridge University, University of Duisburg-Essen, and the Max Planck Institute.

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>>31019481
BROS HELP ME NOT RELAPSE AND START TO GOON 12H+ TO FUTAS HEEEEEEEEELLPPPPP

>>31064767
>>31064805
>>31064822

Funny. The data that demonstrates porn is not addictive starts in the 1950s decades before either of those companies exist. And yet, the ONLY data suggesting it is, is funded by antiporn activist groups.

Get out of here freak.

>>31064882
you'd rather do anything else with your time... go through your Watch Later backlog or something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnbl9CZ9tOI

>>31064913
>the ONLY data suggesting it is, is funded by antiporn activist groups
1. prove it, 2. even if that data was only funded by antiporn groups, that doesn't mean the science is wrong (and the science could hypothetically go against the antiporn groups' worldview!)

>>31064538
>she was very detailed about what she do to him
God, I hate whores. No anon, that's not normal FOR HER. And it's very normal for you to be upset by it; why the fuck would you want to hear about her previous sexual encounters with other random men?

Hookup culture has absolutely trashed the dynamic between men and women who date. We weren't meant to live like this. We have thousands of years of history telling us straight faced that monogamy is the proper way. Having fucked dozens of other men prior is a sure way to ruin things

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>>31064913
You can't even back up your claims, shill. Meanwhile I have HUNDREDS of studies and clinical cases at my fingertips I can link at any time.

FUCK SCIENCE MY GOOOOD FUCK THIS SHIT EVERYBODY KNOW IT IS ABOUT "G" !!! ITS ALL ABOUT THE "G" !!! HOLD TO IT YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO EJACULATE LIKE EVER UNLESS ITS FOR CREATING A CHILD THE ONLY TIME YOU CAN GET INTO SYCRONICTY WITH GOD AND THE ACT OF CREATION ITSELF

>>31064996
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_G9awnDCmg

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I don't know what sort of person would go out of their way to come to a thread specifically for people trying to quit porn and spend all their time "deboonking" the science other than someone who is a hardcore coomer themselves and/or has a very negative preconceived notion of those in the thread - whether they're "evil conservatives," "religious whackjobs," etc. - and can't stand to see them trying to better their lives in their own designated space. they're abnormally invested, at any rate.

>>31065079
THIS, also the people you described are usually called redditors

>>31065079
It's 1) aloof normies who only jerk it a couple times a week and thus assume that's what people mean by addiction, and 2) people in denial finding whatever arguments can justify their own addiction.

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>>31065110
>2) people in denial finding whatever arguments can justify their own addiction.
I assume this is most of the people who are combative with us in these threads. there are other boards and threads which experience some - perhaps even a large - degree of contention, but they tend to be naturally contentious issues (politics, religion). but porn addiction is particular and rather bipartisan all things considered (feminists and conservatives alike can agree on porn being bad for you). so there has to be a particular reason why someone would have such a stake in the validity of the idea of porn as being addicted so as to spend so much time in these threads and argue with people about it - which I think is more likely than not because they're insecure about their own porn use and can't stand other people simply having a difference of opinion and need to "debate bro" them. it's quite the spectacle, if nothing else.
>>31065091
that is true

>>31065079
it's just a basic contrarian instinct, and addiction to low-vibration drama. the kind of instinct which makes poor people kill each other over a sandwich or something petty like that.
they aren't pro coomer or anti anti coomer, they're just anti status quo, whatever the status quo happens to be.
therefore, ignore them and also don't take their actions personally. if a bug started calling you a retard, you wouldn't start arguing back, and you wouldn't try to kill it (unless it gets in your way, in which case you kill it. but not because you're angry at it.).

I have no idea how porn addiction is real when you could just not want the porn, but maybe if I read this thread I can understand other perspectives.

Ok, I can see some horny / arousal addiction.
That makes sense. Horny has an actual physical component to it.
But how do you get from there to porn addiction?
You could just not think porn is related to / satisfying for horny.

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>>31065260
>contrarian instinct
I'm sure that's at least part of it, and it could even be the whole of it, but
>they aren't pro coomer or anti coomer
what makes you think they couldn't also be a huge coomer themselves? you don't think there would ever be someone who is a coomer who for one reason or another can't stand people saying things contrary to their beliefs/habits and feels compelled to indirectly justify his worldview? maybe the anon in this thread is not that, but I feel like it's quite reasonable that such a person not only could exist but does/has and has acted accordingly here or elsewhere online.
>>31065269
>you could just not want the porn
addiction by definition relates to unconscious desires you have; it's not like you can just consciously think "don't want porn, don't want porn" and it'll be all better - assuming you are an addict. plenty of addicts of various substances want quite badly to *not* want what their addicted to, but they've built up pathways in their brain to where the desire comes up without their conscious thought. but perhaps you mean "watch", not "want", but there's a problem there too. smoking addiction, say, isn't defined by whether or not you smoke but your dependency to it; porn addiction is the same.

>>31065305
I know what addiction is, but I don't see how one can have a need or urge or desire for porn.
Getting sexually aroused and satisfying that arousal yes, I understand.
But porn isn't arousal or satisfaction. It triggers memories and visualisation, but you could just remember and visualise.
Addiction to fantasy, as secondary to an addiction to arousal? Yeah I could see that.
But I don't see how the leap gets made to porn, when you could literally just decide that the memories and visuals that porn inspires are too mid for you to care.

>>31019481
I don't really understand how this addiction can last. I mean, I watched porn daily in my teens, which was over 10 years ago, but not only did it get boring since I saw all the crazy stuff within the first few years, but I also realized by the time I was in my early 20's that most porn is extremely ugly. The people in porn are ugly, and the sex is ugly. It's not pleasant to look at or listen to. High quality girls rarely do porn, and honestly, there's something inherently unpleasant about all sex not between two people in a committed relationship together. In the last few years that I watched the stuff regularly, I had solely focused on amateur porn, lesbian massage porn, and solo female porn, and even these became redundant after a while, so I just masturbated to my imagination until I entered a relationship with my now-wife.

Don't you guys get bored of this shit? Isn't it ugly to you? Don't you realize how much more there is to life than rubbing your penis on a girl, or watching some other guy do it? Sex is a small part of life, but even that is a million times better when you're doing it yourself as opposed to watching someone do it, and with someone who you're in a committed relationship with (which takes a lot of effort, hence why it's so much more enjoyable). Your brain should just naturally tire of this stuff and want to move on from it.

>>31065353
>I don't see how the leap gets made to porn
because they are so tightly linked with arousal and satisfaction for people that it has had long-term effects on their brain. that's why there are studies and reports of addicts who can't get hard or can only get partially hard when jerking off without porn or even having sex with someone.

>>31065381
Oh, so there are people who get so bad at satisfying arousal without porn, that they can't do it?
That's strange, I thought you couldn't just forget how to fantasise, but ok. Guess it makes sense.

>>31065396
there are some people who cannot get hard at all without porn, yeah. you should read some of the case studies of guys talking about trying to lose their virginity or getting to a point in their relationship with their girlfriend or wife and they just can't get it up; but throw on ol' pornhub and they're standing at attention in a second. it's unfortunate, to say the least. and for other guys it's not necessarily that they "forget how to fantasize," just that it doesn't have the same strength as high-defintion and novel visual stimuli that can be found online with a quick search. I've even experienced it myself, where, when I was trying to quit porn I decided I would still masturbate, and my erection just wasn't the same as when watching porn.

>>31065305
>what makes you think they couldn't also be a huge coomer themselves? you don't think there would ever be someone who is a coomer who for one reason or another can't stand people saying things contrary to their beliefs/habits and feels compelled to indirectly justify his worldview? maybe the anon in this thread is not that, but I feel like it's quite reasonable that such a person not only could exist but does/has and has acted accordingly here or elsewhere online.
yeah i'm sure those people exist, it is reasonable, but i'd be surprised if THOSE people spent much time here.
they'd probably lash out for a little while and then leave, if i had to guess. they wouldn't want to pay attention to people trying to avoid doing what they do.
if they aren't insecure, they would be genuinely unconcerned with other people's choices, so they ALSO wouldn't be here arguing.
that's my reasoning anyway.

>>31065437
yeah I mean we can agree to disagree ultimately, this isn't a big deal I was just curious about your fuller thoughts about it. 4chan can attract a particularly shallow and petty sort of person - which I have been myself in the past, admittedly - so that's partly what's leading my thinking here.

>>31065353
its the perceived problematic unwanted relationship, usage to. what about gambling, shopping, disordered eating, game 'addictions'

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>>31066416
Makes sense. You're not addicted to slot machines, you're addicted to the dopamine rush of good RNG, but the slot machine is the most convenient dealer.
Makes sense it can be that way for sex too.

>>31066419
Kino

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This might sound odd but today I was able to kill my sharp desire to relapse by deliberately going through the motions. And I don't mean I started doing it and quit halfway, I mean I pulled my chair with the pillow propped up just so, dropped my pants, and sat there pantomiming it (pic rel) for a couple seconds. Then I waddle to the bathroom and wash myself up just like I usually do. The usual robotic chore but without the post-nut clarity or regret is interesting. It put things into a new perspective and made me want to do anything else with my evening.

Try it out.

>>31067551
"Dude you're not supposed to finish!"

>>31067980
>>31067980
"You never let them touch!"
God rest his soul.
Trevor Moore, too soon.

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>>31066419
>>31067082

>>31064553
>What's the point in trying to stop if you're so far from having a gf/sex life to replace cooming?
cooming is bad, it has nothing to do with having a partner
cooming is bad

bumpiii

>>31058823
>here's 40+ neuroscience studies finding addiction related brain changes in heavy porn users
>here's 200+ neuroscience studies finding that the internet in general can be addictive, driven by the same mechanisms of novelty as internet porn
>here's an in-depth explanation of how the neuroscience of porn addiction works
>here's countless examples of people experiencing symptoms of porn addiction, such as PIED, that alleviate only after they quit porn

'bRuH pOrN aDdIcTiOn IsN't ReAl bEcAuSe I sAiD sO MaN"

>>31069141
I'll explain the way internet/porn addiction work in a simple manner for the retards:

>In the brain, there are things called receptors in the brain cells, which receive chemical responses. Dopamine is a chemical associated with desire and motivation, it determines what your brain considers to be important. Chemicals like dopamine react with the receptor to put forth some kind of effect on the brain.

>Most drugs are addictive because they prevent downregulation of dopamine - in simple terms they keep dopamine 'buzzing' in the neurons. If this happens for too long, the dopamine receptors in the brain will decline in number. They won't return to normal for months or longer after quitting drugs.

>The internet can mimic this process because of *novelty*. New material provides a greater dopamine response than material you've encountere dbefore. This is normal. But when scrolling the internet, like on 4chan or tiktok, you can repeatedly switch to new material over and over at the first sign of boredom. You can scroll posts on twitter for a few minutes, go browse 4chan, then go listen to traditional folk music on youtube, then google something, then watch a cute girl getting pounded, and so on. You can switch to brand new material at the very first sign of boredom.

>This keeps dopamine levels high for unnaturally long lengths of time, which can cause a reduction in dopamine (D2) receptors in the same way as described earlier with drugs.

>There's a dopaminergic pathway in the brain called the mesocortical pathway. Dopamine signals other part of the brains, such as the prefrontal cortex, assisting in long-term planning and control. Because dopamine activity in the brain has been suppressed, this pathway is no longer appropriately triggered, which overtime leads to a physical decline in grey matter in the prefrontal cortex and other areas. Similar processes result in a cascade effect that causes atrophy in multiple areas of the brain.

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i feel bad for people with unironic goon caves. imagine going in your room everyday to see your favorite porn stars hanging on your wall while you jerk off for the seventh time in a day knowing you will never have a real girlfriend who will tolerate your severe porn addiction. miserable.

>>31069270
its over

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"Gooning", is such a dumb concept. Fetishizing jacking off? What could possibly be a dumber paraphilia? And as a aesthetic, it also so incredibly garish. Learning of its existence has pushed me toward confronting my addiction more than anything else. That's how cringe it is.

These people endlessly try find new lows to achieve. Donning a hazmat suit and trying to observe glances at their GOON threads through lead shields is sobering, like walking through a crack den. Reading through this "EPI" thread I found has made me appreciate countries that outright ban pornography in a whole new way.

Especially sad is the 23 year old who thinks her life to be over:
>I think at this point I'm too far gone to be fixed though, I've tried to quit numerous times but always fail
It's so sad to see these people just give up and stop growing.

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>>31019481

if you feel like jerking off just get up and go for a walk. The urge goes away in a few minutes. It's powerful, but fleeting.

Also if you're Catholic get a rosary and do the prayer. If you're not Catholic become Catholic and go to confession.

bumpies

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>>31064152

Remember frens, porn is not addictive in any way. You're just copping out on self accountability.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1158136009001376

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/02/140212153252.htm

https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2014/02/youre-not-actually-addicted-porn-says-new-study/358082/

>>31073180
Kind of weird how the (((media))) has this massive and well funded interest in keeping you glued to the screen watching people have sex. Why is that? I guess it’s because the media always has our best interests in mind, right?

The first step to getting out from under an addiction is taking accountability so what you say makes no sense.

bumpys

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This is a friendly reminder that completely opposite threads are going on on the other side.

My friend mister tracker says those very guys coomtributing there are here in this thread too. Notice the attacks, friends.

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>>31074818
Well I feel bad for these guys because they're just damaging themselves and their ability to live life. I hope they figure it out.

>>31074886
The frightening thing is that they are aware that the changes are happening in real time and in such a remarkable intensity that it is vividly felt.

People really do get to that point.

Those boards are like big social experiments.

>>31019481
This is a perfect thread, thank you OP.

Porn Addiction has crippled me and my life and ruined a good 10-15 years of my life.
By the grace of God I was able to finally find a woman. She discovered my porn addiction and the dark, horrible things I was looking at. Through this I was able to truly look at myself and start to try and get the help I needed.
I took an intensive course digging into my past traumas and how that led me to this life. I have been working hard to stop watching porn and stop masturbating in general.
I am now recently married to this woman. I don't watch porn anymore. But I still have a lot of healing to do. I still very much look at images of women online. I will X out of them and not masturbate but this still keeps me in this sinful, lustful head space. And it effects our sex life. Sometimes we have good sex but sometimes I will not be able to finish, likely from messing myself up so much from porn and using toys.
Anyways, I am on a path of healing and would recommend a course like the one I took. I still need prayers though.
Porn is NOT okay. Yes it felt good but it kept my love internal instead of external.

>>31075056
Good for you anon. It's a struggle. I think over time you get better at navigating the triggers and avoiding them. I think over time the desire to look at women online fades and you see it for how shallow and tacky and gross it is. I'd recommend installing blockers on your devices as a failsafe because chances are you will get the desire to look at it again.

It can take a while and you may mess up now and again but as long as you stay on the path you will get there eventually. Just stay open and honest with your wife.

>>31075092
Thank you so much anon

>>31075056
Which course did you take? Can you link it?

>>31019481
my strategy to quit porn is when i get horny I open reddit, I don't have an account so it shows me my nation's top subreddits and most of the times the top post is someone complaining about how shit their life and relationship is, and most of the times the top comment is someone wallowing in their porn addiction.
This makes my skin crawl so bad that I get the urge to make something out of myself instead of jacking off
pictured here:
>everything goes smoothly: my job is shit as always, fucked up shifts, no new acquaintances
>good evening esteemed sir, see you on PornHub

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forgot picture

>>31073293

No one expects you to be glued to your screen watching porn. If you are, that's because your life is empty and you're seeking some kind of sexual validation. You aren't addicted, you've just neglected your life.

The "media" isn't involved in anything you paranoid freak.

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>>31074818
>completely opposite threads are going on on the other side.
Yup. See: >>31060846. It's wild how these bored ass suburbanite white boys are just endlessly trying to create deeper niches and more esoteric forms of pornography. I look at see their threads and their insane captions and think, "Literacy is a beautiful gift that's wasted on these people." Like teaching someone how to swim just for them to dive into sewage all day.

These people would greatly benefit from a healthier creative outlet. Most of them love writing smut; writing (SFW) stories and poetry isn't much of a departure.

>>31075846
I don't speak gabagool

>>31075845
>my nation's top subreddits and most of the times the top post is someone complaining about how shit their life and relationship is
Consistently? I knew things were bad in capitalist Italy but damn

>>31076997
Nor English apparently.

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>>31074818
gooners have only 1 fate

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>>31078111
ayo wtf is this?

>>31078450
holy fucking shit get out

What goes through your heads when you look up porn?
For me it's curiosity. Also a sense of "missing out". Anyone else get what I'm saying?

Haven't looked at porn in ~a week now, the thought of doing so makes me seethe with rage, why have I got to look at other people getting off to get off myself? Why am I such a coward? Why can't I have that for myself? etc.

>>31078488
Yeah there's definitely a FOMO feeling (I'll find the perffeeccttt video this time, it'll feel really great etc.) but, for me at least, looking at porn is a result of nothing being in my head (nothingness!). It comes as a response to animalistic desires / fluxtuations in hormone levels due to stimulus etc., monkey brain feel horny therefore look up pornography as that is thing I'm conditioned to do etc. It's completely mindless and stupid and, when I regain control of my senses after a few minutes of looking, I feel utterly disgusted with myself and it completely ruins my evening / day.

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>>31077012
yeah shit is pretty wicked
this was a comment under a post of someone talking about not being willing to court women because of fear of being made fun of
>my hand has long been courted, and it still is
yuck, couldn't be me

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Made it to day 4 then made a little mistake.
I will try again.

>>31079451
pizza pasta mario mafia pepperoni chorizo luigi chiellini ferrari

>>31079518
never give up

>>31019481
I'm just addicted to beating off to girls who send me nudes, I don't even really watch internet porn anymore

>>31079723
das rite

>>31075778
https://www.regenerationministries.org/unwanted-mens-intensive/

It is expensive but worth it.

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>>31079723
how original, are you a comedian or something ?

>>31019481
Bump

I had a porn addiction. My ex broke my heart now porn doesn’t get me hard. I just wanna coom but it just feels forced

>>31083220
>I just wanna coom

bumpo

>>31019497
weak

Here's the thing: it's all an illusion. It's just chemicals being secreted by stimuli. And you are wasting away. I am not atheistic but funny enough applying the atheistic lens on these addictions is very effective and strips power from it.

>>31062356
You're legitimately brain dead kid. Congrats on figuring out some of your shit, but you still have a ways to go lmao.

Dopamine detox is a thing, and that's all a pornographic addiction is. A dopamine problem. The problem is that pornography lights up your brain and the amount of dopamine that is released creates a peak which tapers off. And after a period of time, not reaching that peak will leave you dopamine starved. And given the frequency, the more you do it, the more dependent you are on those peaks.

No Fap is literally how you detox. Pornography is a disgusting habit. It warps your perceptions. It changes the way you treat women and yourself. You have unrealistic expectations from society. You are even bombarded by social expectations and fears of rejection and other ego attacks all generated from your own insecurities.

Life is an illusion you all return to the One Supreme Consciousness and Intelligence as your finite ego of this incarnation as the Avatar of the Infinite dissolves away. But uninitiated folk like you wouldn't get that.

>>31085601
>b-but think pf the heckin women!!
Oh shut up fag.

>>31085601
>Life is an illusion you all return to the One Supreme Consciousness and Intelligence as your finite ego of this incarnation as the Avatar of the Infinite dissolves away. But uninitiated folk like you wouldn't get that.
lol

>>31062367
bump

>>31085523
Same can be applied to watching tv, eating something tasty, reading a book.

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>uhm you shouldn't watch porn ok?!
Yeah, it's probably bad.
But why shouldn't I (and most men) watch it? It's literally the only possibility of sexual release that I (and most men) have and ever will have.
Why should I not indulge in it? Just because some brown balding manlets on the internet say so? That's not a reason for me.
Like what advantage would I get by not watching it? I will never have a gf, a wife or children or any relationship anyway, so whats the point?
It's like the whole smoking debate. Yeah, the government says that it's le bad and will kill you. But who cares? There's literally no difference in me dying 20 years earlier. Yeah, maybe my insurance will have to pay more money for me, but that's not my problem. Just like any negative consequences from porn for women are not my problem.

I'm a skinny guy still looking for an obese nerdy NEET boyfriend who washes himself properly (I could try to teach him to clean himself if not), I cannot really connect with normies so they have to be as degenerate as me (autistic terminally online hypersexual Internet addicts) and have computer hobbies, it makes me cringe thinking about getting a normal girlfriend instead to fit in with the rest of society since I'm too rotten to the core and it would feel like torture. I just want to hug a chubby guy and cuddle him, talk about stuff both of us know about without either one of us only pretending to understand, I feel like I have no one or they're just too far away, I still think about it, I know it isn't important, but my life feels like nothing, just completely isolated with myself, losing my ability to converse.

My chronic porn addiction has made me treat porn differently, to view it more like a longing for intimate connection, being welcomed without any judgement, able to touch without hesitation, to do what we want, no matter how weird it is, to experience good things, being a part of it rather than left out, physical interactions, etc.

>>31086097
that was so sad to read
>>31086156
you know you have to cut it out right

>>31086051
So no one can answer this?
Just as I thought.

>>31086482
Why?

>>31086870
Porn isn't actually a substitute for actual sexual relations with a human. Porn is isolating yourself in a goon cave while Jews manipulate your base instincts. Even going to a prostitute is infinitely better.

>>31086988
Oh you know

I just dreamt minutes ago that I was sucking my own dick while flying across different rooms and got caught on webcam but continued sucking while hiding in the corner somewhat ashamed (it does look funny if you think about it, so it would certainly be posted as a clip on eFukt, PornHub, or /gif/). I miss when I was able to autofellatio though, otherwise I could find someone to 69 with, it's why I want a ridiculously big dick but that would make me insanely afraid of going out in public. I usually have dreams about flying in general but this is probably the first time I did something sexual with it.

>>31019481
> WAAAA I CANT STOP TOUCHING MYSELF

Fuck off you faggot. Man, i’m addicted to morphine when I see this shit I unironically want to kill the person behind it. You faggots have imaginary problems.

>>31089992
Holy shit kill yourself. At any point did you stop and think how fucking retarded that sounded?

The reason you can’t quit porn? Because you’re externalizing the locus of control onto the medium. It’s not that porn in and of itself is addictive, its not opium or nicotine. It’s that you are missing something, something that the consumption of the product (porn in this case, but could be literally anything) is cross wiring to trick your brain into thinking you’re receiving, until the stimulus stops. Fact of the matter is that the fault is within you, not porn. The reason people get anti anti-porn is because anti-porn folks are arrogant narcissists who take pride in “fixing” others and don’t actually care about your well being. They might think they do, but they do not, else they wouldn’t get so vehemently up in arms about it. It’s sad but true. If you didn’t have porn, you’d be addicted to eating hair or something. Look within and recognize what it is that’s driving these addictive tendencies. The truth will set you free, and there’s no truth in externalizing your pain onto an object. The fetish object, once broken, is only temporary. Keep in mind that the same folks who tout “porn = evil” won’t tell you why it’s evil, they will just wax lyrical about how addictive pathways are made, conveniently not mentioning that it’s not porn in and of itself that fills these pathways. You need the strength to look inwards and break away if you want change. The anti porn folks are the same folks that will blame the shitty roads for their bad driving, or they’ll blame (((media))) for corrupting the youth. These anti porn people are the same people who lynched Socrates. You can heal, but you don’t need to be indoctrinated, it’s already within you.

>>31090255
>Holy shit kill yourself.
No.
>At any point did you stop and think how fucking retarded that sounded?
That's why I posted it.

bumpies

Damn this is really harder than it seems.
In fact, it feels downrifht retarded to relapse because the very microsecond you do cum you instantly tbink "yeah i didn't really have to do that."

Idk. I'll just try to cold turkey it. Heard that it takes around two weeks to stop being physically addicted.

Good luck. You can do it. Take it one step at a time and do not give in to temptation. You will come out the other side improved.

>>31037291
I’m not an alcoholic I just have a drinking alcohol habit cause of my high thirst libido

>>31055749
see a doctor that is incredibly abnormal

>>31058823
projection and cope

>>31086051
I’ll entertain your stupid self pity post I guess
>Yeah, it’s probably bad
It is. You adding the word probably as leeway is cope.
>It's literally the only possibility of sexual release that I (and most men) have and ever will have.
Pure projection. Most men are out having sex and talking to women. Just because yourself and a sea of other losers jerk off to pixels of women doesn’t mean there isn’t a bigger sea that actually touch them in real life.
>Why should I not indulge in it? Just because some brown balding manlets on the internet say so?
Projection again. If anything isn’t it the balding brown manlets that are in *your* crowd? Jerking off because it’s easier than talking to a woman?
>Like what advantage would I get by not watching it? I will never have a gf, a wife or children or any relationship anyway, so whats the point?
This whole woe is me “argument” is precisely the reason you’re miserable to begin with. Maybe get some sun and stop touching your dick for just a week and you’ll feel better.
>It's like the whole smoking debate.
Dumbass non-sequiter analogy. Porn is free smokes are not. Porn is not accepted to indulge in publically. Porn does not cause lung cancer. Smoking does not cause you to ejaculate. That entire string of logic and semantics is pure 100% grade A cope. Get a grip. And not around your pecker for once.

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>>31092188
>Most men are out having sex and talking to women.
Literally 60% of men are incels. So "most men" is simply wrong.

>>31092221
Your echo chamber has rotted your brain and citing internet article propaganda is proof of that me friend. Log off. For your own sake.

>>31092221
>Literally 60% of men are incels
You are literally a blatant liar. Less than 0.001% of men are incels. Many men are single because it's easier but obviously they are sexless. There are more sexless women than men.

>>31092241
lol. lmao even. wake up

>>31092295
Everything I said is true. Incels seethe at facts because they destroy the incel delusional narrative.

>>31092241
>Less than 0.001% of men are incels.
how have you come to this conclusion

>>31078531
>>31078488
>FOMO about porn
Anons, try to remember that porn itself literally has no value. No matter how good you feel or how much you like what you see, or how 'perfect' the porn is, the result is the same: you cum, you move on, nothing has changed except your loss of free time and brain health.

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>>31086051
>wahhh my life is pointless anyways, why shouldn't i just waste it jerking off to porn or smoking cigs to death?
sounds like porn isn't your real problem buddy, it's your utter lack of meaning and purpose

Havent fapped in a couple months but still instinctively reach down and just feel my junk sometimes idk why

>>31092693
The amount of incels can be easily approximated by counting the number of active accounts on incel forums.

The thing that makes me relapse the most on nofap I feel like is actually /d/ games
Everytime I see some new monster impreg bad end in a game I loved and I come back to it and I just fucking lose

>>31093281
because you are a retarded monkey that needs to put his animal brain under control and learn to act like a normal human being

>>31060109
It's just addicts in denial.

I just deleted my entire porn folder. It was years of custom content I've purchased from amateur sellers, old porn vids that I pulled from they web I liked, and tons of nude celebrities

I need to beat this addiction for my mental state and as well as my wallet. I just took a big hit on car failure and realize that I've dwindled away so much with porn and fast food

This month alone I've spent $650 eating out/gas station snacks and $200 on cam whores. It's gotta stop.

>>31094273
I also deleted all my usual haunts for porn (Telegram, Snapchat, Skype, Kik, Jerkmate, Venmo, Cashapp, Paypal)

>>31094297
>>31094273
Good shit king, don't let those whores control you

>>31094462
I know, I just gotta not relapse. Gonna try to go nofap for a few days.

The main thing is fast food for me because it's so easy. The only thing that might help me is that it's getting expensive now

Has anyone here who quit porn for awhile found themselves more arroused by seeing women in person?
Or like easier for them to get turned on?

>>31019534
Spoken like a man who is going to accomplish great things in the world, and not spend the rest of his life neet-ing in his parents basement

>>31037291
This man spends 5 hours a day and thinks its great

>>31093297
but there are lots of incels that are not on those forums

>>31094764
>found themselves more arroused by seeing women in person
doesnt happen to me

>>31052270
>Cant get a girlfriend so what's the point?

Because you dont need to start doing cocaine if you cant buy chocolate

Theres a big difference between an artificial visual and just doing it without. You'll spend hours looking from video to video. It rotting your brain isnt a myth, so you dont want to do it if you can stop. And theres no benefit to doing it. No gain except more 2, 3, 5 more hours wasted than if you just used your imagination

>>31064152
people literally spend 3, 5, even 8 hours a day, sometimes for multiple days, on this one thing. Even when they hate it and want to stop
>Its no worse than brushing your teeth guys

Somebody nerd react this retard

>>31091914
I once read it is like tying your shoes too tight so you can feel good when you untie them.

>>31095499
hmmmm, meaning

>>31095511
Because you're doing something counterproductive and useless just to get the relief of not doing it. So, instead of going around in this stupid circle, just don't do the counterproductive and useless thing.

>>31095572
so what im getting is: this thread is divided in 2 groups
those who claim the urge to do it its a voluntary act
and those who claim the opposite

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I'm in my exam season and all i can think about is fapping. my brain also doesn't work like it used to. if i could just get my hands on whoever created/popularised porn I'd rip the flesh off their bones.

>>31094764
quitting porn actually killed my sexdrive.

>>31095593
The urge comes and goes. I don't know if I would say it is voluntary. I do think the urge is triggered by certain things, certain routines, etc.

>>31094764
Not really. In fact you start to learn that constant cooming puts you in this sort of unnatural state of perpetual horniness and you see random women as pieces of meat in a way you do not when you stop.

I want to let myself go and become a goonin' braphog fatty so bad, bros… This is it, I'm gonna become an obese retard and there's no turning back.

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>>31096177
never give up.
never goon.

>>31096177
>I want to let myself go and become a goonin' braphog fatty so bad, bros
why ?

My dick literally doesn’t work anymore i masturbated from the perspective of a woman and felt like a flower erupt in my prostate haven’t been able to wank since. It’s over for me. I feel awful about it. This is what I get for not quitting porn when I had the chance. I have only myself to blame.

I have a somewhat blacked kink and I relapsed on it last night and I’ve felt like vomiting since. Been considering just doing a voluntary psych ward visit. Years of being a former /pol/fag and coomer have ruined me.

>>31096706
> i masturbated from the perspective of a woman and felt like a flower erupt
????
can you explain this a little
>>31096714
never give up

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>wanted to not watch porn today
>actually managed to jerk off without it this morning (though it took like 1.5 hours)
>in the afternoon I was already back to jerking off to fucked up guro hentai multiple times
How are you supposed to stop porn as an incel?
Even if I wanted to jerk off without it, I have no memories whatsoever to use for it.

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>>31096717
The invisible dick pierced my prostate

>>31096746
you know what? forget it, I dont wanna know

>>31096737
>>actually managed to jerk off without it this morning (though it took like 1.5 hours)
interesting, it takes me less than a minute to do that, I dont have any problems
>>in the afternoon I was already back to jerking off to fucked up guro hentai multiple
times
never goon

>>31094273
Good for you brother. I know how it feels. I just spent 50 on cams behind my wife's back. We had just argued.

Now I'm back here with tears in my eyes thinking about telling her all this but I'm afraid this will ruin the Illusion that is our marriage. I care for her happiness more than anything.

>>31097190
Cont.

The thing is about porn addiction is that I'm at a stage where I don't even get excited. I only get turned on when there's the danger of being caught. So when I'm alone at night I just can't do it. I will edge for hours and spend all weekend on it until I go back to waging monday morning.

bumpies

>>31090251
>morphine cockroach causes actual problems
>'I'm better than you'
maybe provide solutions
>>31098165
its a real bumpy ride when you miss doubles by one

>>31090261
only useful post in this thread, god bless u sir

>>31099057
it is a bumpies ride not bumpy ride

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>>31085601
>You're legitimately brain dead kid.

>Life is an illusion you all return to the One Supreme Consciousness and

Holy fuck hahahahah

>>31099238
if you ignore all the posts in the thread/rentry about how porn addiction is just a symptom of underlying issues, sure

>>31096737
Fill your mind with other things bro
also get a job or get busy instead of having an idle mind that porn can fill the gap of

>>31102918
its a decent aproach however
solving the problem is better than distracting yourself to avoid the problem

>>31102918
>get a job
My big problem with porn is that I basically only exclusively watch it because my wfh job is so fucking boring that I have nothing else to do.

>>31103009
That does sound like a problem...I'd get some filters or something

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>having a sunday-itis rotting in bed
>get up on auto pilot, undo pants and boot up the pc
>go to my favorite furaffinity futa artist
>no account, can't view shit
>make an account, a drool droplet hits the desk, i just lick it off and sign up
>open the profile, display name changed, disregard it in my stupor, know the username by heart so i can't have been wrong
>click to go to the gallery, hand on my dick already idly stroking
>first page is almost entirely filled up with the artist's hyper dick "sona" OC with all of the pictures displaying the colors of transsexual pride in some way
>dick goes limp
>hand goes limp
>just sit in my chair for ten minutes straight until my internal monologue reappears
>remember i had decided to do a calisthenics routine during the work week
>hammer out my sets in half the usual time, shower, make dinner and set it on the table
>looking at it just baffled at my own actions
>run back to my pc and make this post
Thanks, trans rights..?
Also
How the fuck do I prevent this from happening again? I won't get saved by the same miracle again, most likely
I gotta wrangle my brain into shape somehow, how do you do it, anons?

>>31103108
>How the fuck do I prevent this from happening again?
delete that account, thats first step

>>31103234
I did, it's the fifth i've deleted

>>31090261
What an absolutely retarded take. The same thing about externalizing the locus of control ontu the medium can be said about any addiction with the exception of physical withdrawal that comes with some drugs. That doesn't change the fact, that porn happens to be a medium to which many people are drawn to/recur to with considerable persistency. It's something users feel ashamed of doing and nonetheless come back to it. The same can be said about alcohol, of course it is you going back to drinking again, but you're not in control of it viewed from another perspective. Alcohol is also sought out as a solution for something that it cannot fulfill. You're babbling shill semantics.
The ones that act like arrogant narcisists are dimwhits like yourself in my experience.

>Be me
>27yo male
>Virgin, never had a girlfriend
>For X amount of years since I discovered porn, only saw it as media, not an outlet
>Move onto Hentai, Doujins, H-Games and only saw them as media
>Try masturbation half a year ago with doujins and anime only
>Felt good at first... then it started numbing dumb, now I feel empty and useless after every session
>Just woke up from a nap and did it for the 4th time this week after saying for the Nth time I would stop

How do I go back anons? Is it over? I miss watching and playing Erotic shit without my brain screaming for me to masturbate

I have been on nofap for two weeks and this weekend I was approached by 3 women. Two wanted to set me up with their friends. Granted they are both older than me and the 3rd was drunk and slightly overweight with popeye arms, but it's a start. One of the friends is only 3 years older than me and seems pretty nice though. She has a pretty face.

>>31019481
Should I finish my porn games first then go on no fap or should I just delete them and go on no fap?

>>31104683
Wrong website.

>>31106373
NoFap is a psyops. No porn is important. Fapping is normal and healthy.

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>>31019481
idk man i swear If i dont try and meet a good woman im just gonna be addicted to porn. I have sex but it just so much work to get.
>gotta talk, be nice, take em out, takes time, etc, etc, etc.
just porn is easier, i can watch whatever topic i want and jack off anytime. Dont gotta spend money either.

Ahaha im so fucked.

Bump.

Live.

bumpies not working anymore :c