For some reason I don't like being in relationships with non virgins, it's like if a girl has even kissed another guy or especially had sex with them I see them as disqualified from a life partner or someone worthy of love so the relationship is doomed from the start and no matter how much fun we have or how good the intimacy gets its like I know something is past its expiration dateHow can I change this mindset, there are so few virgins that aren't insanely fat or mentally ill
That's because you are not a cuckold. Don't let anyone gaslight you on accepting a whore who's already been riding the cock carousel, even if that means dying a KV.
>>33918052>How can I change this mindset, there are so few virgins that aren't insanely fat or mentally illstop treating all cute women you meet as potential life partners.
>>33918052If you're not a virgin yourself you are hopelessly retarded.
>>33918052are you a virgin? never kissed someone?
>>33918052Are you such a catch that you can afford to be picky?
Why change? I have stopped dating all women with even a single dude in her past and I just stop worrying. Kissing bit sounds a bit extreme thoBetter to die alone than be with them.
>>33918087>>33918188>>33918426folks sure do get upset when others seem to have options
>>33919046Nobody is upset, but you are in for a world of disappointment if you are expecting to ever have a virgin girlfriend (especially past high school age which you have to be to use this site).
>>33918052>How can I change this mindset, there are so few virgins that aren't insanely fat or mentally illBy not caring, there is a far higher likelihood of reproducing and passing on your genes. Since most women are not virgins, because they get courted and pursued by men for most of their life.
>>33918052It's good that you allow fear of abandonment to rule over you and you should do it more.
>>33918052It’s perfectly fine to have that preference and I obviously understand it as a guy. From what it sounds like though, it comes from more of a superficial point than actual standards/values. You need those so you don’t end up letting down whoever actually decides to give you their “all”. With that being said you do realize you’re dehumanizing these hypothetical non virgins? You can maintain your position while wishing well for those non virgins. My point is someone who is virtuous would likely (and rightly) be turned off by that. Maybe you should clarify to us more on your “why”?
It's cray that these people who dont respect women seem to get them easily but people who put them on pedestals never get a shot whats up with that why is no one happy
>>33919159Dont forget the breakup reason "you're too good for me”
>>33919115Wanting a virgin bf/gf is not necessarily about abandonment issues
>>33919159I think it's just that male feminists are the most disgusting and repulsive form of life in this world. Not even hardcore brainwashed feminist bitches can stomach dating a male feminist.
What if she had a depressive/dissociative period where she let a dude fuck for like 10 seconds but stopped it? But that was the only guy she ever “did”. It’s oddly specific because that was what I was told. She’s something of a more well adjusted yandere, otherwise a nice person, not outwardly promiscuous. She didn’t even need to admit anything. I’d feel bad leaving her desu, she’s almost too perfect now but I do wonder sometimes if she loves me as much as she says. She ghosted me in the beginning and that still stings too almost two years later.
>>33919046>folks>upsetbait but:standards should be reciprocated. expecting others to behave more morally than you is selfish and retarded.
>>33919699They damn near always lie about this shit. My ex said she was raped (doubtful) and downplayed her past. They will try to be what they think u want. She just wants to loved like all women but dude they're all crazy. All women ive dated are afraid you will abandon them some are just way more bpd than others and some of them will ruin u if you let them. Be a rock.
Don't change your mindset.Remember that bitches lie. The virgins probably done whatever catholic girls do. If she's hot and she's never kissed anyone she's lying.>>33918062Yup. Don't be a cuck.Now go and keep your mental illness from reproducing- with whores ofc
>>33919054Ok sure. Death is preferable to a whore
>>33918052Its fine if you're a virgin too but if you arent, then think about how hypocrite is to ask for a virgin when you arentDont go asking for things you cant give back in a relationshipShe might even see you the same way on that regard too
>>33919884>>33919755>>33919699>>33919143If a key can unlock many locks, then it is a master keyIf a lock can be unlocked by many keys, then it is a shitty lock
>>33920088Fucking cringe
>>33920100He's right thoughRibbit
>>33920100Dumb teen or broken manchild? Either way you need to go back
>>33919884>Dont go asking for things you cant give back in a relationshipOh no guess I can't ask for a feminine hourglass figure from her and she can't ask for my monster dongjokes aside tho, I have never once slept with a woman with a lower bodycount than me. all modern women have a "hoe phase" so they're all hoes and that's the only reason it's stupid to "ask" for a virgin. As if a woman is something you can just ask for and receive, much less a chaste one. They can do that with men though to be fair. Wait, are you a woman? You must be Anyway, women including the virgin ones value a man who gets laid so how about that for hypocrisy. They'll use virgin or incel as an insult for men because of this. You think I liked feeling terrible that I couldn't get laid until I was 22? Now that I can give women what they want it's more than fair for someone like me to get what they want out of women (one who isn't a total hoe to marry since they're all going to be at least a little hoe).
>>33920088Nobody's ever heard that one before. I bet every woman would just shut up if they heard this gem.We get it, promiscuous women aren't ideal. Obsessing over virginity isn't going to get you anywhere. You may as well obsess over whether or not they know how to ride a bike.
>>33920088If a trap catches many people, it is an excellent trapIf a person falls on many traps, it is a retard
>>33918052I'm the same way but I'm 27 so I'm starting to look like a real loser when I say shit like that. I think I'm getting to the point where I should just cognitively dissent from this idea that I SHOULD be with a virgin just from how many women have validated me sexually via sexting, sleeping with me in bed (but not sex) and coming onto me irl. I can forgive a woman for having one body. I've online dated girls for like years at a time... But I dunno.. I should just start working out then hitting on strangers in public. I think that'll work. I still dream about my exes. Idk I just know it's not over but it is ending
>>33920088I can see how an untouchable incel can believe this but human biology and sexuality is entirely different from a lock and key.>>33918062That's not what cuckoldry is, and you're a loser who will always seethe at others being happy.
>>33918052dunno how you can change the mindset, but maybe this tidbit can help:that's a very satisfying moment when the woman you're fucking tells you she didn't know sex could be this good. even more satisfying if you know some of the guys she's been with and you absolutely believe her as a consequence.
>>33918052Same, but I don't think very many people think this way. I don't even know how much I truly believe this and how much I have just forced myself to in fear of losing something.
>>33922805Oh, and those who do think this way would probably be way more religious than me, or not be especially attractive to me. The latter of which is of course a self-inflicted, more superficial boundary, but still relevant.
>>33922534>that's a very satisfying moment when the woman you're fucking tells you she didn't know sex could be this good. I know they aren't full of shit because I actually do have muscles and a big dick >even more satisfying if you know some of the guys she's been with and you absolutely believe her as a consequence.That's happened to me multiple times including with my current partner and it still doesn't make me feel better. I know they aren't full of shit because I actually do have muscles and a big dick. They all said I was great at eating pussy and not a minute man. I can't scrub the inceldom for some reason. The thought of them being attracted to or sleeping with any previous people, whether they were better or worse than me, is absolutely repulsive.
>>33922839>is absolutely repulsive.Then why are you fucking them and eating them out?
>>33922924I can either be celibate or I can sleep with people that have a past. Neither is a great option as I have now discovered.
>>33922951Can't you just imagine your high school crush getting pounded out by the entire football team until it no longer bothers you like everyone else? You aren't too good for us.
>>33919159You have cause and effect backwards, experience with women causes you to become disillusioned to them
>>33922839Same This one girl I was fucking and I split and I found out later she pretty quickly started hooking up with some pudgy nerd. When they first had sex she called my name. Later she told me he never made her cum over the course of their two or so months. When I first started fucking her she told me something similar to >>33922534 that I made her enjoy sex again after a long time of not. I like to believe her. But even me typing out "when they first had sex" gives me visceral reaction, knowing I'm talking about a woman that I'm supposed to be having sex with, a woman that I let have me.>>33922951Hit it on the head. I like to think I'll feel better about when I've sufficiently hoed around. I have to deal with women who've slept around while I've never engaged in that behavior myself, what a fucking terrible deal.>>33923281I've noticed that as women meet and talk to more men their opinion of the male sex tends to improve, while as men meet and talk to more women their opinion of women tends to decreaseRite of passage. The pedestal is high so it takes a long time to topple, but when it does it crashes hard
"A Madonna–whore complex (also called a Madonna–mistress complex) is a psychological phenomenon first observed in psychoanalysis, and later applied to feminist critique of broader society. In psychoanalysis, the complex is defined as an inability to maintain sexual arousal within a committed and loving relationship.[1] First identified by Sigmund Freud, who called it psychic impotence,[2] it is a psychological complex that is said to develop in men who see women as either saintly Madonnas or debased whores. Men with this complex desire a sexual partner who has been degraded (whore) while they cannot desire the respected partner (Madonna).[3] Freud wrote, "Where such men love they have no desire, and where they desire they cannot love."[4] Clinical psychologist Uwe Hartmann wrote in 2009 that the complex "is still highly prevalent in today's patients".[3]"
>>33924049“When looking for a life partner, my advice to women is date all of them: the bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys. But do not marry them. The things that make the bad boys sexy do not make them good husbands. When it comes time to settle down, find someone who wants an equal partner. Someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated and ambitious. Someone who values fairness and expects or, even better, wants to do his share in the home. These men exist and, trust me, over time, nothing is sexier.”― Sheryl Sandberg, Lean In: Women, Work, and the Will to Lead
>>33922951Getting your life ruined by a cheating lying whore is worse
>>33919755>standards should be reciprocatedThen go date women and don't dare expect them to not have a penis since you also have one retard
>>33924231>find someone who wants an equal partner. Someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated and ambitious
Honest question for op(and every other male who can't be with experienced women)Does your family believe women should be celibate before marriage and shame accordingly or are they super liberal hippies that reminded their kids to use a condom when going out?
>>33924241Which begs the question - how would you know? You've never been with a woman.
>>33919054
>>33924491>Does your family believe women should be celibate before marriage and shame accordingly or are they super liberal hippies that reminded their kids to use a condom when going out?My family is neither. Believe it or not there are different kinds of families other than hardcore religious conservative and hardcore super liberal hippies. Those aren't the only two options.
>>33922493I love seeing other people happy, but I know I won't be happy in their situations. So instead of letting basic bitch FOMO have me make stupid decisions that aren't in line with my own morals, I wait. If nothing comes up, so be it. >>33924049THIS NIGGA COPYING FREUD OFF WIKIPEDIA AND AINT EVEN REMOVING THE CITATION MARKSBOO THIS NIGGA
>>33924583It's in quotation marks, tyrone. 4chan is not known for it's scholarly discussion
>>33924661EVEN TYRONE KNOW TO REMOVE FOOTNOTE CITATION HYPERLINKSLIKE NIGGA THE BACKSPACE BUTTON IS RITE THERE NIGGA HAHA JUS PRESS IT AHAHA
>>33924669Oh my god you're actually an uneducated black man arent you
>>33924569Where on the scale does yours fall then? I'm not buying into them being absent and uninfluencial on your life.
>>33924491>>33924569Yeah same, between kind of. Definitely not the first and definitely not the second. I mostly developed this belief myself and from what people say online.
OP troll confirmed. moving on.
>>33924392huh? i have cock woman has pussy making sexual organ compatible reciprocation. reciprocation is not always equal but willingness to come to terms.you must be younger than me and more foolish than i was at your age. it only gets worse if you do nothing to change.
>>33918062Exactly.If you want to become truly uncuckable, go to a doctor, tell him you want to "transition" and have him do surgery.Once you are officially a woman, you can never be cucked ever again. Isn't that beautiful?
>>33924958>reciprocation is not always equal but willingness to come to terms.exactly see >>33920182
>>33920182>They'll use virgin or incel as an insult for men because of this.Not because of this, but because its pure projection.You see, women define their self worth throiugh whom they fuck mucm much more than men. Not how many they fuck of course, but WHOM. They are basically always in a contest of who can tie the best man down in a relationship. Thats why they will also always hype up the guys they actually sleep with into sounding like Gigachad himself when they talk about him. And its why "virgin" is such an insult to them, a woman who is unable to get with a guy has the lowest possible status in her local hen basket. Sure, they may laud publically how "virtuous" she is, but in true woman fashion that means fuck all, its more condescending and to emphasize how much better the girls who get laid are themselves.90% of incel garbage is listening to what women tell otehr women and taking it at face value, which is retarded.
