Also I am not "misogynistic" (nor am I a simp). I am just a normal person sans having sex and friends. So don't tell me to "work on myself" because I am a decent person, I am gonna say that bluntly.
I literally never hurt anyone in my life, so no, I am not an incel because I am le evil.

larp

>>34788881
No, it's real. He didn't say it like that but it's the only natural conclusion to what he said.
He told me lots of people live and die unmarried/virgin and being a virgin/incel is no reason to be depressed over. Idk if that makes any sense though.

>blackpiled by your own therapist
Either stop going or find a new one
I managed to escape inceldom at 26 years old so there is still hope for you

>>34788884
he didn't say i am gonna stay virgin for life, he just assumed the worst and said, "so what?" essentially

>>34788886
That's still incredibly retarded, he's a psychiatrist, he should understand the inherently human psychological desire to pairbond and reproduce.

>>34788883
He's right. Just get a prostitute to get the sex outta your mind.

>>34788878
Don't listen to >>34788922. I lost my virginity to a prostitute at 25 and repeated that a few times. You will feel the same plus with brand new insecurity and possibly STDs (I apparently have herpes, but it's not clear whether it's because of sex or something I had before).

>>34788928
That's just you being a retard for not using a condom. Also herpes goes away after abstinence, it's no biggie.

>>34788935
Still, being an escortcel is orders of magnitude more shameful than being a virgin. Stop trying to fuck over OP.

>>34788945
No it's not? You're the retard here. OP needs to understand sex is literally nothing special, or he will keep feeding his porn-fueled delusions until he gets convinced to troon out.

>>34788947
It might work for some men who don't view sex as something sacred, but it didn't work for me and I doubt it would work for OP either. I mean it might, but you're basically asking him change his values through trauma.

>>34788964
Trauma is fake psych bs that was developed for war vets and got adapted for Karens.
You don't have trauma, you just came to the adult realization that sex sucks and left teenage years for good.
An acutal argument against prostitution though is that prostitution industry is awful. OP could be looking to get a Tinder thot instead.
But I can guarantee you that the result would be the same.

>>34788878
>>34788880
Let me give you some real advice, as a person who didn't wake up until 30. I had to go through a serious heartbreak before I realized I was fucked.
If you are 26 years old, and you have never had a gf or male friends, the problem is absolutely you - and you need a paradigm shift.

SOMETHING YOU ARE DOING IN LIFE IS NOT RIGHT. Let me emphasize this.
The way you view the world is completely wrong.
You need to do something different.

You are posting this because you want male friends, and you want a girlfriend.
This means you seriously lack social skills.

If you haven't yet, you need to quit porn.
Porn is a heavy tax on all social interactions.

Next, if you are in a constant loop of work, home, jack off, work, home, jack off - you have to break this loop and get out there and practice talking to people.
You need to join hobby groups, and things where you actually have to talk to people. Get a fast food job or any social job too.

For a girlfriend, you - like most men - do not understand what a woman's attraction trigger is.

A woman's attraction trigger is not looks, resources, money, or being nice and agreeable to her. Too many men think this and don't understand what actually makes a woman attracted to a man. Women are not men.

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>>34788878
>You don't need sex just buy shit on Amazon
>Your spiritual and psychological fulfillment doesn't matter compared to the economy
Does your therapist look like this anon?

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>>34788878
is op even here?
why are the only replies i keep seeing his fucking handler?

>>34789058
yeah? I am just reading replies. Idk what I am supposed to write.
I am not going to bang a hooker, either I get it organically from a gf/wife or I'd just accept lifelong virginity.

>>34789038
>For a girlfriend, you - like most men - do not understand what a woman's attraction trigger is.
So then what the fuck is it, Einstein? Enlighten us

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>>34789210
gotta give more information with each reply so people can give better advice. it helps if theres a back and forth rather than general advice.
usually if it takes more than 10 replies, you are really in a pickle so it'd help if you played along.
your story is a dime a dozen and 75-90% of stories start the same way as yours.
do you want a girlfriend or friends? are you willing to take the gauntlet to get them? what do you look like? are you ugly?
play ball nigger

>>34789262
>"play ball nigger"
>just engage in the humiliation ritual bro
not today

>>34789248
Looksmaxxers, blackpillers, and many bodybuilders think that women solely select for the best looking man. This is not the case anywhere offline.
Extreme career focused men think that when they get the checklist (money, resources, nice car, house) they will have women all over them. This is not the case.
Nice guys, introverts, and reclusive men think that they have to be really nice and agreeable and her friend and she'll finally come over to their side after "realizing" how bad other men are. This is not the case.

Women are primarily attracted to HOW A MAN BEHAVES - and particularly - IF HE HAS THE BALLS TO EXPRESS INTEREST IN HER AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE - not hiding his intent.

This is a woman's attraction trigger.

>>34789248
>>34789308
And to continue, attraction is a skillset that a man can learn - and when he learns the attraction trigger - he will realize how many opportunities in the past he missed out on completely.
Having the courage to shoot your shot EARLY is a skill you have to learn.

The basic idea is that you do not want to choose the dialogue options that give you friendzone points.

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>>34789273
>every other male in the animal kingdom does it
>not for me
>waiting for my testosterone injected female to approach first
>no exceptions

>>34788878
>I asked a psychiatrist what to do and he outright insinuated i'd stay like this forever and told me to be the happiest incel and make the best out of my situation.
Actually a psychiatrist? Or a clinical psychologist? Or some sort of miscellaneous psychotherapist?

>>34789308
If that were true, horny and intrusive Indian men accosting European females would be the pinnacle of attractiveness.

>>34789402
You are still missing my point.
Desperation and Neediness are TIED TO HOW A MAN BEHAVES. These are turnoffs.
You need to learn HOW to express interest in a woman as early as possible.

Because most men are socially stunted (trapped in the jack off, home, work loop), they have ZERO skills for this whatsoever.

You do not stalk a woman, walk up to a strange woman and tell her you want to tear her clothes off, or anything like that.

Tons of men WANT ANYTHING ELSE BUT THEMSELVES TO BE THE PROBLEM - because to admit that they are the problem means that they seriously missed opportunities they would have genuinely had if only they could put down the porn and stop being such a social sperg.

>>34788878
FWIW, I was a full-blown khhv incel approaching my 24th birthday. I'm now middle aged, with a body count of 40, and coming up to my 14th anniversary with a very nice Italian lady. What changed was basically two things: 1) I learned how to fake being confident convincingly, and 2) while it took a long time, I gradually realised that almost everything I thought I knew about women and what they want was wrong. I'm not good-looking, or fit, I'm average height, autistic, and suffer from depression, and I'm certainly not wealthy; those were genuinely the two things that made all the difference.

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>>34789308
>Women are primarily attracted to HOW A MAN BEHAVES - and particularly - IF HE HAS THE BALLS TO EXPRESS INTEREST IN HER AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE - not hiding his intent.
this is good advice and what separates the men from the boys

>>34789418
It's all well and good telling people what not to do around women, but then what *do* you do?
The world right now doesn't really have an answer for that, because a lot of the things that women like (but wouldn't admit to liking) have been recharacterized as harassment. You're not supposed to be "pushy", but you're absolutely supposed to be "assertive". What the hell does that mean?
Is it just that it's okay when attractive people do it? I guess.

>>34789418
>>34789434
>>34789435
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_lh5fR4DMA
anon-kun, men want to fuck women. you need to be honest. you can season your words and say, you'd like to go on a date, marry, go to coffee, but don't kid yourself because you have anime isekai goggles on.
little heads always in the room. you don't want to be her friend.
being assertive and asking a woman out to a date is not rape. are you even listening to yourself since you've boxed yourself into a pussyless corner? the sound dampening must be good in your padded room.

>>34789435
>because a lot of the things that women like (but wouldn't admit to liking) have been recharacterized as harassment
Stop listening to chronically online takes and giga-feminists. The real world does not work like this, at all.

>You're not supposed to be "pushy", but you're absolutely supposed to be "assertive". What the hell does that mean?
When you see an attractive woman that you fancy, you can absolutely approach her, complement her on her style or smile - say that she caught your eye - and ask her out for coffee or her number or offer yours.

If she says no, move on.
If she says yes, you got it.

The problem most men have is that they are trapped in a jack off, work, home loop - and because they are chronically online as well - are EXTREMELY socially stunted and have no social circles. This feeds them deeper into the nonsense pipelines online.

Again, I was trapped in this bullshit until I was 30. I genuinely understand how it happens and how to break out of it.

>>34789444
Okay, but when is it appropriate to approach? What we're being told is not at work, not out on the street, not during any kind of recreational activity, so when?
The message I'm getting is you're supposed to just not listen to women, and break the rules, but *only* if you're attractive. Otherwise, they might call the police.

>What we're being told is not at work, not out on the street, not during any kind of recreational activity, so when?
The message I'm getting is you're supposed to just not listen to women, and break the rules, but *only* if you're attractive. Otherwise, they might call the police.
You have to realize these are CHRONICALLY ONLINE TAKES.
Literally NOBODY cares about this shit irl.
People from my workplace date each other all the time.

Again, most men are socially stunted because of the loop, and base their entire idea of reality on some popular X post. It's insane.

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>>34789453
call the police for talking to them? what country do you live in? where i come from the only words that get you arrested is for threatening someone. idk what your game plan is.
approach whenever dude. i'm not stalking a woman all day to scope the right moment to talk to her.
the only consequence to asking a coworker is it might be awkward for a while after. it implies you like her no matter what.
that's why i suggest coffee because it seems more like feeling each other out rather than a 'date' like dinner does.
if it fails, move on. its not going to be awkward if you find someone else and have another girlfriend eventually.

the only reason i ever suggest 'social gatherings' like groups/clubs/social circles is because they often do the hard part of introducing you to people that you can acquaintance with.
to me its a scale where you're either
>socially adept ->just approach women
>socially inept ->join social circles
>socially bankrupt ->gotta start from scratch usually online before advancing. these are people that usually can't leave their room without a blanket
the biggest difference here is what they teach in improv. if someone acts in improv, and its your turn, is your attitude, "yes, can" or "no, can't"
most the anons here instantly use excuses like it's a card game and will never trial anything. they are no, can't. it's a buzzkill for convo.
if you're a man, you have to approach. 9/10 times its the man approaching first and i'm being generous because its prob higher.

yes, you hear crazy stories like what you're talking about, but if someones gonna go to the extreme of filming you and shouting rape because you talked to them that person is going to be made fun of online. they're nuts and saving you the time to tell tell you no.
like i tell everyone else, you gotta find the switch in your brain to shut it up for just 30 seconds to .exe and talk/ask.

>>34789487
I'm socially stunted because I have autism and have had to go through large chunks of my life without any social contact. I'm aware of this.
the question is still what do I actually do? I know I can't just start talking to a woman because I like the look of her.

>>34789546
>I'm socially stunted because I have autism and have had to go through large chunks of my life without any social contact. I'm aware of this.
Then you sound EXACTLY LIKE ME.
This is FIXABLE.
I was THIRTY when I broke my chains. 30.

>I know I can't just start talking to a woman because I like the look of her.
Yes.
Yes you can.

You have been CONDITIONED to believe that you need to HIDE YOUR DESIRE FROM A WOMAN.
This is a CHRONICALLY ONLINE TAKE.
This is also the primary thing that KILLS attraction, and will make sure a girl puts you deep in the friendzone.

You can absolutely approach a woman, say she caught your eye, and ask for a number or provide yours.

YOU ARE NOT USED TO THIS PARADIGM
because you have SPENT YOUR ENTIRE LIFE thinking that this is BAD, and people who do it are bad.

>>34789565
it doesn't seem possible. It seems like something that people on TV do.
>Hi, I just spotted you walking your dog, and I'd like to mate with you
That's weird behaviour. It just is.

>>34789578
>it doesn't seem possible.
If you choose to cling to your current lifestyle loop, then yes, it is literally impossible for you, and you will die without reaching any of your goals and you will die completely unfulfilled.

If you are willing to CHANGE THE WAY YOU SEE THE WORLD and UNPLUG the porn and the chronically online, then you can have it too.

>>Hi, I just spotted you walking your dog, and I'd like to mate with you
Again, the social stunted personality is exposed. I know this all too well.

You do not walk up to the woman and tell her "I want to mate with you."
You know this is not what I mean, because you understand there is nuance and ability to showing a woman you desire her.

You are MAKING EXCUSES as to why you WILL NOT ACCEPT this new paradigm, because your current loop is SAFE and NOT DEMANDING anything out of you.

>>34789578
I don't know. It just kinda seem like you're not even willing to try what he's suggesting. You're making excuses and overthinking. Just give it a go. You don't have anything to lose really.

>>34789592
but you have to communicate it clearly, which is weird.

>>34789634
>which is weird.
IN YOUR CURRENT PARADIGM it is weird.
Here's a quote for you.

- If you do what you have always done, you will continue to get what you have always gotten.

NOTHING will change unless you BREAK THE LOOP.
I know the loop all too well.

>Go to work
>Go home
>Jack off

Rinse and repeat for 6 fucking years.

>>34789038
i agree that porn is a tax on social interactions, but why? its just sex afterall.

>>34789645
Porn is a tax on all social interactions because it seriously fucks with your reward system.
Your physical brain, when hooked on porn, wants nothing more than to jack off whenever you have any free time.

This is because the endless amount of porn on the internet GIVES A MUCH BIGGER DOPAMINE RUSH than socializing, talking to real women, eating, exercising, and trying new things.

So, when you try to do things with other people, you will LITERALLY BE FIGHTING YOUR OWN BODY because it DOES NOT WANT TO BE THERE.

OP here. Thanks for the replies, but I think it's just two people fighting. Which replies are worth reading?

>>34789640
Okay, well how would you feel if you were a woman and Chris Chan walked up to you and tried to get your number?
I'm Chris Chan in this analogy.

>>34789662
The guy who said he was an incel until 30 and writes in caps lock probably has the best advice (if you seriously want to actually break out of this mindset you're in).
If you wanna throw a pity party for yourself and make zero progress then don't listen to him.
My personal opinion is that you don't need to be in a relationship to be happy or to live a fulfilling life but maybe that's just me.

>>34789661
I don't really look at porn that much. I don't really like it.

>>34789684
Another
fucking
excuse.

YOU HAVE TO BREAK THE LOOP.

You are trying to come up with a million excuses as to WHY YOU SPECIFICALLY CANNOT BREAK THE LOOP when PLENTY of men have broken the loop.

Again, as long as you continue to stay in your paradigm, you will die unfulfilled.
I know you, because you were literally me in every single way.

>>34789690
That's not an answer. I'm a poorly socialized autistic man. I know how I come across.

>>34789546
see >>34789541
just approach someone. go to another side of town you will never return to and bullshit with a cashier while you're buying a pack of gum. if you have to be on nicotine and/or alcohol, then do that.
you're not the first with this problem and you won't be the last.

>>34789698
I'm simply not going to do that, unless I get some kind of go-ahead that it's okay.
There's a very real chance I get pictures of me shared on social media, and get labeled "that weird guy".

>>34789696
>I'm a poorly socialized autistic man. I know how I come across.
Yes, that was me. Until 30 fucking years of age, bro. Trust me, I know every single excuse in the book. I know every single thing we say to ourselves to rationalize why we specifically cannot break the loop.

When you finally decide to BREAK THE LOOP and socialize, you are going to suck at it at first.
You will have a strong urge to go back to the comfortable porn, online, work, home safeeeee cycle.

And if you give in, you will die unfulfilled.

The reason I even care this much to reply this much is because you are a LITERAL COPY of who I was until 30.

>>34789707
You're assuming I'm not older than 30.
I've made attempts to make friends online. It just never really gets going, and I can only conclude that people don't like me very much.

>>34789715
I do not give a shit if you are 44.
BREAK THE LOOP.

>I've made attempts to make friends online.
>online.
>online.
>online.
You need to make IRL social circles.
Hobby groups, fitness clubs, chess clubs, anywhere where people socialize and learn the very foundations of talking to people.

>>34789719
You're assuming social groups are simply on tap for anyone that wants one. I don't know where I would go to find a chess club. I'd be open to doing it, I just don't think it exists, without having to drive into a city (which I also wont do because it's out of my comfort zone).
I could pretend to be into sports, and start hanging around the local pubs, but I'd be unhappy, and I feel like they'd be talking about me.

>You're assuming social groups are simply on tap for anyone that wants one.
THEY LITERALLY ARE.
Use any AI tool to tell you where the clubs are in your zipcode.
Then show up and talk to people and play against them.

>(which I also wont do because it's out of my comfort zone)
THEN CALL AN UBER.
BREAK THE LOOP.

>but I'd be unhappy,
You're unhappy AND unfulfilled
BREAK THE LOOP.
You can be unhappy and HAVE A CHANCE at fulfillment.

>>34789747
okay but if you were running a social group, and Chris Chan walked in, how would you feel?

>>34788884
HOW
i am rapidly approaching 26 myself

>>34789760
.....

>>34789764
I have to filter your suggestions that way, because I know how I come across to people. I'm not a normal charismatic man who can just hit it off with people. I'm weird.

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>>34789705
you've doomed yourself.
if you date men, they'll approach you.
>this entire board is waiting to open its arms for your future presence
>>>/soc/35234937
safe travels anon

>>34789376
Are you admitting that women don’t have free will?

>>34789771
I've tried /soc/ you end up talking to mad bitches who ghost you after two posts, because you can't live up to some ideal they have in their heads.

>>34789487
>Literally NOBODY cares about this shit irl.
>Again, most men are socially stunted because of the loop, and base their entire idea of reality on some popular X post.
Pick one

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>>34789774
it's the cultural norm for women not to approach strangers and ask them for a date
the only exception i'd argue is if you are 10/10 chad
see picrel
the only other exception to this rule is if you are white and rich and visit philippines
you've fallen for big ai gf chatbot propaganda or waifu isekai anime harems
im sorry you've been brain washed

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>>34789747
>THEY LITERALLY ARE.
You don’t seriously believe this in the big 26, do you?

>>34789788
>it's the cultural norm for women not to approach strangers and ask them for a date
So then why do we let women have rights? Either dating is at 50/50 parity, or we repeal the 19th and make it so that every man is guaranteed a wife. The current state of affairs makes no sense

>>34788878
First at all, your psychiatrist is an asshole, i think there is plenty of them. I'm celibate but because i disgust sex so i hope i can help somehow. If being an INCEL is fully inside your personality and the way you take decisions you should start changing it, asking yourself. You are not just the social part of yourself (your name, work, family), you are whole human being and that is awesome.
I mean, do what you want to do. Therefore i think you could find people who enjoy being with you if you do plenty of things in plenty of places, otherwise i feel sorry for you.

>>34788878
>I asked a psychiatrist

Why wouold you do that? Psychiatrists exist to medicate schizos and other terminally insane patients who couldn't funciton otherwise. They are neither trained nor equipped in treating mental disorders at the root, or help with more simple matter. Ofc a Psychiatrist would give this response, because his job is to sell you happy pills, not help you fix your life.You want to talk to a Psychotherapist for that.
Also
>no friends
>normal
An inability to form any kind of human relationships is by definition NOT normal. You are anything but. Seek therapy.

>>34789447
>and how to break out of it.
well tell us then, social genius. because to me it looks like yes, confidence and asking her spontaneously is a important thing, but you also need all the underlying factors that make you an attractive man to her in the first place. you don't have to be a billionaire playboy but you do have to be a lot higher than most men these days are in general. and it has to look effortless too.
>"yeah, I got my own place, 80k+ salary, 6pack and the rest of the strength, 6+ ft, 6+ inch dick, so what, you're supposed to. pfft like its hard? i like u come with me to this event i have lined up because my life is so full and interesting already and i dont need u"

and all just to get used because there's plenty other guys like that.

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>>34789308
>Women are primarily attracted to HOW A MAN BEHAVES
Retarded redpill cope! Zero evidence for this. Women are primarily attracted by looks, and will interpret all your actions in light of your looks. Even if a short, ugly guy "behaves" the exact same way as a tall, handsome guy, he will always get far worse results. If women don't find you attractive, they won't care how early or strongly you express interest.
Unintelligent people confuse cause and effect. People aren't sucessful because they're confident, they're confident because they're sucessful.
>This is a woman's attraction trigger.
Zero evidence for this

>>34788878
i dont have friends or relationships but thats because im a neet and have schizophrenia. its very hard to make friends in circumstances like that. generally the better you fit into the image of the average normie citizen (lets say healthy/employed/heterosexual) the easier it will be to make friends. the more you lack in these regards the more likely it is youll have to take the L and learn to live with your lack of relationships. If you do tick these boxes, theres reason to assume youre being behaviourally retarded in some way and a sort of retraining with the help of a psychologist or something could lead to tangible results.

>>34789788
>it's the cultural norm for women not to approach strangers and ask them for a date
The reason women don't approach and are a minority on dating apps isn't because of "cultural norms". It's due to supply and demand...women don't want or need to approach due to the fact that the male sex drive is higher.

>>34789831
>"and after the event we can get drunk, i'll share my weed and other drugs with u and we'll fuck because we're both hot, no feelings needed i dont even need your name. nothing sacred about sex, i don't care that you had 200 men cum on you before me, i'll have more sluts after u too, its just the way it's always been and is supposed to be. when i want u again i'll call u one night"

>>34789835
>Women are primarily attracted by looks
You don't understand what this means and are drawing the wrong conclusions.

Woman are initially attracted by looks. That initial draw lasts a few minutes. After 30 minutes (max), it's how you behave that keeps them attracted.

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>>34789861
you weren't an adult before dating apps were you?
>>34789798
look up mating rituals of animals on youtube. it's always the man. are you gonna go protest birds get 50/50 parity too?

>>34789882
Anyone with a little intelligence would realize the male sex drive is higher. But it has been shown also in studies, https://psycnet.apa.org/doi/10.1037/bul0000366

Fuck you I'm not changing who I am as a person for women. My looks? Sure, my partner deserves someone she finds attractive. My mind? Fuck you bitch don't fucking come near it, I'll chop your fucking hands

>>34789874
The influence of looks on a relationship never goes away. Even within a relationship the dfference in looks effects the power each party has.
Or imagine the scenario where a partner suddenly becomes fat or disfigured...why does this sudden decrease in looks bother the other party?

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Every fucking time

It's so sad continuing to read these replies
You keep on insisting it's looks, when it's not looks at all.

IT IS YOUR FAULT why you cannot attract women, and that attracting women is a LEARNABLE SKILL.

But blaming anything other than yourself means you get to stay in your comfortable prison loop you've made for yourself, and you don't have to look all those chances you had in the face and understand you could have had them

OP here. I ain't reading all that tit for tat post war. Reply directly to this comment with advice pointed at ME.

>>34789935
Obviously if a guy never leaves his room, he won't get women no matter how handsome he is...but past a relatively low threshold of confidence and exposure looks are by far the most important factor. Also...sonetimes our problems our beyond our control

>>34789962
>Makes thread
>Refuses to read thread

Lol
You actually deserve unfulfillment

>>34789966
It's just an insulting match between two people, neither of them me

>>34789964
>but past a relatively low threshold of confidence and exposure looks are by far the most important factor

You have it
completely
ass
backwards

Looks are the low threshold
How you behave literally determines everything

Most men don't know this, because most men are chronically online and have 0 social circles.
Dating apps aren't real life.
X is not real life.
4chan is not real life.
Reddit is not real life.

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>>34789972
>Dating apps aren't real life.
What does this even mean? People say this...what exactly is this supposed to signify? If you think that the fact that short, ugly men are almost never selected on dating apps doesn't indicate anything about female desire...you are delusional.
If women cared so much about "behaviour" and not looks, why would they use a method that filters almost entirely based on looks? Year by year, more people will meet solely online.

>most men are chronically online and have 0 social circles.
?

>What does this even mean? People say this...what exactly is this supposed to signify?
It signifies that you are CHRONICALLY ONLINE and do not understand or realize that looks can grab a woman's attention, but looks DO NOT HOLD a woman's attention.

The ugly, but confident and assured dude at my workplace pulls girls while the attractive tall, but reclusive and shy man dude gets 0 play.

Women are interested in the attractive guy at first, but when they realize HOW HE BEHAVES, they are GIGA repulsed and stop all interaction.

>why would they use a method that filters almost entirely based on looks
BECAUSE YOU CANNOT SENSE HOW A PERSON BEHAVES ONLINE. Come on, this isn't hard to get man.

A dating app is literally nothing but looks and a fucking bio.

>most men are chronically online and have 0 social circles.
Yes.

If most men had social circles, they would realize that women are attracted to the dude in the group that can have the most fun.
Shit has basically 0 to do with looks.

>>34789987
nice ms paint graph bro I bet this is very real

>>34789421
>I'm not good-looking, or fit, I'm average height, autistic, and suffer from depression, and I'm certainly not wealthy
This blows my mind a bit. How do you mask so well and for that long without snapping?

>>34788878
>How to cope with being an incel?
It's up to you. All I want to say is don't be ashamed about factors outside your control.

>>34789935
I don't buy into the idea you can simply approach women.

>>34790014
The whole "dating apps aren't real life" thing is cope. Apart from the services that are specfically dating apps, many also use Instagram or whatever as dating apps basically. Anyone who knows anything about sex-having, good looking men and women is how they are always on Instagram, Snapchat and so on.
Even if you don't use the apps and social media, the women you are after will, you'll be competing with them anyway.

>>34790034
I know you don't.
Because you're stuck in your false paradigm.

And as long as you keep behaving by your false paradigm, you will continue to get absolutely nothing.

You will keep doing what you have always done, and keep getting what you have always gotten - forever hoping that sometime someday something will happen - and it never will.

This is some team Edward vs team Jacob shit lmao.

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>looks don't influence perception of behaviour

>>34789995
IQlet

>>34790066
Sure man, whatever lets you remain safe and comfortable and placated in your unfulfilling loop.

You are definitely the victim, you definitely can't attract women, nothing is your fault, and everything is against you. Totally.

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>>34789962
>picrel good ending for an npc like op

>>34790076
People should put in effort and put themselves out there...but one must be realistic in order to apply your effort intelligently and not be disappointed. If you are 5'4 with a bad face as a man for instance, sadly and unfortunately you are going to have a much harder time through no fault of your own.

>>34789831
address me. im right am i not?

>If you are 5'4 with a bad face as a man for instance
That's literally the guy at my workplace that gets tons of play.

I swear to God you people need to unplug the fucking computer and join social groups and just learn how to be fun and have fun.

>>34790014
Now your just bullshitting. The entire world is online which including dating. Almost took your advice to heart, but you're likely some failed normie dunking on incels to make yourself feel better.

>>34790014
I am not a doomer but a lot of people meet online nowadays. The apps aren't amazing but you don't really have anything to lose by using them. You can both socialize IRL and just do a couple swipes a day.
>>34790104
Where do you work?

>>34790104
IQcels love anecdotes

>>34789995
This is sounds like some failed normie advice who got his obese single mom girlfriend by sheer chance when talking to her in a liquor store

You need social status at whatever you do

You are into motorcycles? Become so good you become an instructor

You are into programming? Become a senior/tech lead

You like running? Become an organiser of your local run club

Women do not like average chuds, sure they respond better in a social setting instead of a dating app, but if you are a chump good-for-nothing in your chosen social circle NO amount of "game", "expressing interest" or even "looks" will help.

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>>34790104
90% here must be basement bound, unable to leave their male 'safe space'
i had a coworker last year with nasty bad teeth (they were stained brown from chew or something), but he was skinny and knew what he was doing. he'd string one of us along to be his wingman. hours later, one of us would pick him up later when he ended up at a womans house/apartment. this happened every weekend and even during work nights with 10-12 hour shifts. we'd be grocery shopping and he'd find someone he hooked up with. this happened so often, everyone assumed he'd mounted half the town.
anons here are so mindbroken off social media, they cant possibly imagine it being this easy. their mind cuddles into black pill mode, like it's their comfort blanket; they then protect themselves screaming at anon giving advice, saying they are full of shit.
can't help anon with a mindbroken psyche

>>34790039
okay, but I know exactly what would happen if I walked up to a woman on the street and tried to "woo" her. She'd be intimidated and try to get away from me.
So there's no point.

>>34790179
I'm mind broken by a lifetime of failing to socially connect with people, because I have autism.
It's not like I'm assuming based on nothing. I was very open when I was a child, and people bullied me for it.
>no, just get a sick wing man to hang out with
How am I going to do that? All of my childhood friends made it very clear past a certain point they didn't want me around, because I ruined their chances with women. That's the kind of person I am.
Would you say all of this stuff to Chris Chan? No you wouldn't.

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>>34790174
>picrel
>>34790188
>i have autism
90% of the men and women are undiagnosed autists. why don't you hook up with them?
you're using an excuse. everyone sucks at their early conversations. there's no hercules pill to this. you either do it or you don't.
>my friendgroup left
i don't talk to anyone i went to high school with. high school friends are friendships of convenience, and the contract ends the day you graduate.
if you're a social retard, you find new social circles. join groups and clubs. it's that simple. most the time the host does the introductions for you because they assume you're a nervous manbaby.
if the group sucks, you move on to the next one. there's trial and error just like there was at school.
why are people redefining anxiety/nervousness like it's a new concept. you're the male version of a special snowflake
>chris chan
i'd tell chris chan to shave his head, lose some weight, and stop being a tranny. he's made choices to make himself unfuckable because he has fat goggles on that tell him people should love him as he is.

why use /adv/ if you're going to shit on everything without trying? it's hilarious watching the mental gymnastics you retards use to avoid doing anything with your lives, like you just come here to be punished as a circus act and have others laugh at your pathetic existence.

what's your next excuse? i can't wait to read it.

>>34790225
>90% of the men and women are undiagnosed autists
No they are not. People in the modern day use "autism" as a euphemism for social awkwardness. I have an actual diagnosis from 20 years ago.
>if you're a social retard, you find new social circles
Yeah, guess what? I'm a social retard. I did not find new circles. I have tried again and again to make friends, and I don't understand how it works.

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>>34790236
what plans have you set for socializing with people tonight?
what about this weekend?
let me guess. you've done nothing. the rest of your life is an open book of unplanned events, because you'd rather be here bitching about how your life sucks due to 'special circumstances' exclusive to anon-kun
>groups
what groups are you in, or have you joined? what are you doing to get kicked out of them, or are you just no longer going?
if you show up, they aren't going to just kick you out. what's the problem? people can play chess with an ai or hike alone, but they join a group because they want to do it and socialize with others.
>social retard
welcome to 4chan
>actual diagnosis
you're here to socialize with others. if you had a bad case of autism you'd be playing bionicles right now, obsessing about titanic infrastructure or couldn't talk to people unless you were standing in the ocean.

once again, your psyche is broken and it's entirely your fault. you cannot accept that because your psyche is mindbroken, it's easier to just call yourself a loser, give up, and go back to gaming and porn.

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>>34790236
>to demonstrate a point
going back to the quote in picrel >>34790225
the people i find in your situation in video games. some of them i'd spent a year knowing them and trying to help them with their problems, but the ones i knew that did anything about it just became prison/roman gay in video games. they're ultimately agoraphobic and incapable of overcoming their fears. no amount of talking, strategy or solution could fix them when they are in this mindset. unironically buckbroken.
then i hear the same excuses:
>i tried once years ago
>im autistic
>not the same as high school
>groups/clubs are gay
>walk up to someone. not for me
>wont i get arrested for speaking to a woman
i'm not just putting my tongue in cheek by telling people to go to >>>/soc/catalog the garden of eden for failed males

i don't know what separates you from me, a fellow social retard. what got me out my front door from mom and dads after high school and looking for a relationship was to be with someone despite all the fear in the world. my hands were shaking, short of breath, in my pockets, sounding like a squeaky drippling retard, and i still did it.
i felt better afterward for doing -something-.
i tried it again and again, and found someone off that. eventually i stopped caring if they said yes or no
i realized i might not even like this woman who i wouldn't know jack shit about until coffee later so who cares if i check if she's even available to go out for an hour?
i realized i stood up for myself that way, and not act like a womans waif where she held all the cards, like i was some servant stable boy asking permission from a queen.

>>34790286
>what plans have you set for socializing with people tonight?
Where would I even go?
>what's the problem? people can play chess with an ai or hike alone, but they join a group because they want to do it and socialize with others.
I don't think they're there to talk to people like me. I think they would dislike me, and I would be embarrassed that I tried, and the memories would still be haunting me ten years later
> if you had a bad case of autism you'd be playing bionicles right now
I mean, I'll probably watch people play Sonic games on twitch until I fall asleep later.

>>34790337
I've been on /soc/ I tried to break the ice and finally get a girlfriend like five years ago, and it didn't work
I also tried getting involved in Twitch communities, and people pretty much hated me there too.

>>34788878
>How to cope with being an incel?
Create a youtube gaming channel without revealing your face. That's what I'm planning to do. I'm also a virgin, soon to be wizard.

>>34790344
>Where would I even go?
Literally anywhere just pick something oh my god dude.
>I don't think they're there to talk to people like me. I think they would dislike me, and I would be embarrassed that I tried, and the memories would still be haunting me ten years later
It's literally not a big deal. Look up basic social skill videos or books and just implement them. Start small and then you go from there. You will suck at first but that is inevitable. As long as you try you will get better.
>I mean, I'll probably watch people play Sonic games on twitch until I fall asleep later.
Stop doing this and interact with REAL PEOPLE.
>>34790349
>/soc/ and twitch
NIGGA GO OUTSIDE FOR FUCKS SAKE.

>>34790377
There's really nowhere to go. I dunno where you think I live that has fun activities happening all of the time. I can sit in a mostly empty pub and pretend to enjoy sports, and I'm not going to do that because I'm not convinced someone wont kill me.
>Stop doing this and interact with REAL PEOPLE.
I like sonic. It soothes me.
I like talking to people who like Sonic.

>>34790390
Tails was my favourite. I was always drawn to the sidekicks, I liked Robin instead of Batman. Probably says a lot to be honest...

>>34790390
Just go on meetup.com or go to a park or do something man. If you live in the middle of nowhere save up and move to an urban area where young people are. If you really don't want to get better then stop shitting up this board.

>>34790398
I go to parks all the time. Literally at least once a week I go to my local park. I don't know what you think happens in parks.

>>34789763
I don't know, a miracle happened. I met her when I stopped being a neet and went back to college, and she just started pursuing me really hard despite the fact she had a boyfriend, and despite my social retardation.

>>34790409
Did you talk to people?

>>34790430
Where I'm from you'd be considered crazy and would probably have the police called on you if you were randomly approaching strangers in the park to chat

>>34790430
No. It's a park, not a "come talk to me" zone. Do you want me to approach families who are there with their kids? Are you stupid?
You people call me antisocial, but I don't think you understand any part of this world we live in.

>>34790438
>>34790441
Where the fuck do you guys live? Not even a hello? Jesus no wonder you guys are alone. Can you at least go to a bar or something?

>>34790448
Bars are places where people go with their friends, not to talk to me. I don't know what you don't get about this.

>>34790451
You can talk to strangers.

>>34790448
Where the fuck do you guys live?
Not in a sitcom

>>34790453
>hello m'dear, would you like to go out with an autistic man?
they're not going to say yes, are they?

>>34790456
Jesus dude just talk to someone. The bartender, someone sitting alone, the guy next to you, anyone.

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>>34790344
>>34790349
>>34790356
>>34790390
>>34790438
>>34790441
oh my god i'm having the best laughs of the week rn. im crying
thank you for making my day
i dont think i can help anymore n take you retards seriously
thank god for this anon's for trying and taking over.

>>34790474
Speak like a normal person.

>>34790475
Oh yeah, just go and talk to a man, sitting alone in a bar. Nothing could possibly go wrong.
He couldn't be a manically depressed alcoholic, or a psycho.

>>34790477
I give up. I am praying they are trolls and don't unironically believe this shit.

>>34790478
>haha, oh look, that's a nice dress you're wearing, Madam
Name any time you've done this.

>>34790475
I said not a sitcom and you've just described Cheers

>>34790484
What's not to believe? How often are you going out and striking up conversations with random people?

>>34789987
>What does this even mean? People say this...what exactly is this supposed to signify?

It means that according to Match Inc., who own all major dating apps, their total worldwide number of active users sits at about five million and is consistently dwindling. Note that this includes bots, prostitutes, Insta promotion accounts and double accounts as well. This means that less than five million people out of a whopping eight billion are currently using dating apps.

You can cope with homecoooked paint graphics and dubious studies all you want, but the cold hard numbers say that online dating is a tiny niche that is losing ever more of its small significance year by year.
Those numbers are published by Match Inc. directly as part of its legal duties to report to its shareholders and therefore are both accurate and stem directly from the source. So stfu about muh apps.

>>34790390
Sonic helped keep my taste in music as rock as a kid while everyone else got into rap. Crush 40 da bomb. I used to have a screenname that was just sonic+my cat at the time. Loved watching the gamegrumps, arin/jon (who did nothing wrong) play '06. But haven't played anything lately, still like dabbling in the music though. That Undefeatable song is pretty good even though I don't know what the game is about. The movies were surprisingly good too, saw em in theaters.

Also last time I visited /soc/ it was just dicks and weird fetished body parts far as the eye could see. Not even a basic face rate thread like there used to be, definitely nowhere for a healthy socializing with anons. I worked with a girl who was all about sonic, carried a bunch of merch, so they're out there. But she was also a bitch, wouldnt want her.

>we had the same conversation again and nothing changed
I'm so done with life.

asking normies how to not be an incel is analogous to complaining about your poverty to some child of a CEO. They never struggled to begin with, so they're disconnected.
Billions of microfactors are just so fined-tuned and right in their lives that they just need to approach and open their mouths.
That doesn't apply to us, the damned.

>>34790620
furthermore, normies live in a virtuous circle, for every microskill one needs to learn, they prob. reinforce it 23,102+ times a year whilst you are at 0 literally. They're like light years ahead of you at this point.

>>34789882
>muh mating rituals

>>34790490
>No answer to this
Curious! Almost as if they have the knowledge hardcoded into them from birth and thus never had to try, but they let their egos psyop them into thinking that it was totally a learned skill, bro.

>>34790475
>just bother people going about their day, bro

>>34790337
>my hands were shaking, short of breath, in my pockets, sounding like a squeaky drippling retard, and i still did it.
Jesus, why would you do that to yourself? I’d rather just get high/drunk and play Battlefield 1 alone or something

>>34789418
I mean, i want to, or would, fuck probably 90% of women i see out and about. So am i supposed to express my interest to all of them?

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>>34788878
The decline of men approaching women functions like a political shock even when nobody frames it that way.
It reshapes family formation. Fewer approaches mean fewer relationships, later marriages, lower birth rates, and accelerating demographic decline. That feeds directly into labor shortages, pension stress, immigration politics, and generational conflict. Governments can pass incentives but they cannot legislate attraction or courage.

Second, it polarizes gender politics. Many women interpret non-approach as disinterest or resentment while many men experience it as rational risk avoidance shaped by social sanction, economic precarity, and fear of misreading norms. Each side builds narratives about the other and political movements harvest those grievances.

Third, it weakens informal social trust. Approaching a stranger used to be a low-level civic act that trained people to tolerate rejection, ambiguity, and difference. When that disappears, people retreat into apps, algorithms, and identity-filtered spaces which harden group boundaries and reduce empathy.

Fourth, it shifts power to platforms and institutions. Dating apps, HR departments, and legal frameworks mediate intimacy that used to be negotiated face to face. That concentrates cultural authority in systems optimized for liability management and profit, not human bonding.

Finally, it produces downstream radicalization. Large populations of unattached men historically correlate with instability, withdrawal, or extremist politics. Most do not become violent but many disengage from civic life, work, and optimism itself which is politically corrosive.

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>>34790838
>>34790803
>>34790484
make the best of your decisions
>>34791604
women have always interpreted non-approach as disinterest.
you've made an entire philosophy about being a loser. you could have asked someone out instead of writing this.

>>34788880
Figure out what ya want
Figure out ways to get
Try ways
Adjust

You sound like you feel like you're missing out on something. Figure out what it is and how to get it. Is it sex? Validation? Romantic experiences? What is it?

>>34788878
It is actually a simple problem to deal with. You can make yourself into someone who has personality, hobbies, ambitions, and a purpose. Or you can do nothing and accept you will be forever alone. If you do the second, please stop bitching about it on the internet.

>>34791935
Okay, i will do nothing and accept that i will be forever alone, but how to cope with it? Or the only option is rope at this point, adapt or die so to speak.

>>34791935
How do I get the motivation for the former?

>>34791610
>"you could have asked someone out instead of writing this"
>just subject yourself to the humiliation ritual, bro

How addicted are you to gooning/porn?

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>>34792511
never change anon. someones gotta love you and give you your p's and you's

>>34792531
what?

>>34792531
What are your thoughts on this? >>34790810

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>>34792543
about how often i go out or whether walking up to people is genetic or a learned skill?
i answered the latter earlier in the thread. to give context, i was playing world of warcraft most of high school in the 2000s and going to an all mens high school in another state. i was bottom at the social totem pole, but had to start speaking with the public. got over my fear that way. i remember creating a youtube video to try and get out of a public speaking event, spent days on it, handed it in, and the teacher laughed it off thinking it was an elaborate joke. i had to face reality
i'd say it's more a muscle than a skill or genetic. if i'm in prolonged isolation due to work i stop even wanting to answer my phone unless its work related.
the difference i have with speaking to women is it's like a soldier accepting death is on the table. you can't change it, so who cares? with women, i already know some aren't going to like me no matter what. i also know now, i might not like them. i won't know the answer to that until we have coffee (or live together), so the asking out part isn't as bad in the aftermath. i may find them repulsive after coffee.
i know what i want out of a relationship though, so i stand up for myself and have lines i won't allow to be crossed.
i think half the battle with this is anons have low self-confidence that they think they shouldn't even have standards and are approaching a queen mentally. im still nervous at times, but i psyche myself out to do it; then turn off the thinking cap and just bs with them. had plenty of mistakes along the way. this is the only magic trick i can tell you is to say, "yes i can do this" and just do it

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>>34792543
>going out
i went out shooting and drinking with 4 coworkers and 2 women from alaska last night. they weren't my type. women in my field tend to be overtly masculine. one didn't use deodorant, tatted and hung her head at nonpc jokes. the other was cool and interesting
like i said before having social circles/friends helps. having a friend is the best confidence boost because you can psyche each other out of mental doom spirals. if you don't have friends, join a group or club. there's a dime a dozen soloists now and the least they can do is find familiars.
i answered this earlier as well. clubs/groups/social circles.
its trial and error. ive been to volunteer projects i regretted the second i walked in because everyone was ancient compared to me, and never went again. had much better luck with others.

but sadly you can't get a mindbroken person to leave their house. its like i said about steam friends or discord friends. these people often dont leave their house and don't know the first thing about investing in friendship so the likelihood of getting them to go out and do something with you is next to 0.
i have coworkers that do this too. you can help them in a tight spot (pick them up drunk at midnight hours away), but they'll leave you high and dry and not think twice. they'll still fail to understand why helping you matters to them because they are still the center of their own universe.
people that have tended to be in shit situations (raising kids, military, raising family, service, etc) often have more empathy and make much better friends.

i only say the part above, because as with many anon here, they're too mentally broken to fix their issues (lost astronauts in their own universe). there's millions of gaymers out there that won't either, so you have to dip your toes in different pools. my closer friends are friends of friends or from groups.
i hate big groups anyways, but do it because there's other rewards in it.

hope this ramble bit helps.

>>34792635
>"you'll come into your own in college!"
>college experience gets fucked by a combination of your own mistakes and covid
>there is no personality glow-up, or much of a physical one for that matter either
>finally graduate this year at age 27 as a commuter student, still a kissless virgin
>taking oral finasteride and minoxidil because of hair loss
how do i cope

>>34792659
>its trial and error. ive been to volunteer projects i regretted the second i walked in because everyone was ancient compared to me, and never went again.
This is the kind of shit that seems unbearably painful to me. I can't take the awkwardness. I literally can't.

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>>34792978
alcohol and nicotine helps if things get shitty. use to smoke, then vaped. now i carry a nicotine patch with me in my wallet if i'm going to have an unbearably shitty day.
don't know where you live, but in US we have a quit smoking number you can call that will often give free/discount patch coupons. ive even cut mine up into quarters before if i have to.
im very good at micro dosing though and don't abuse this. my last patch was 2 months ago when i helped dads house with bedbugs/incontinence. don't do nic if you'll get addicted. patch for all day, zyn/snus for 20 minutes quick fix
alcohol works better for social events, ideally if you can ride the edge of tipsy. takes the edge off too. overdoing it makes you stupid. its an art form.
ive heard others do cbd too but haven't tried it myself.
docs also prescribe anti-anxiety meds
last thing i will do is 4x4 (box) breathing: 4 seconds in thru nose, 4 seconds hold, 4 seconds out through mouth, 4 seconds hold. when you're nervous you tend to breathe through upper chest/throat putting you in fight or flight, and you need to return to a rest state.
it also raises my confidence for the day if ive talked to someone else earlier that day. could even be a random store clerk or a call.
>>34792923
dropped out of college, so no idea.
cope cuts never work. if people see you're balding they can't unsee it.
just noticed recession in last year, and its depressing knowing the haircuts i had in the last decade no longer work. hitting mid 30s now. short hair looks good but its displaying my hairline and not trying to hide it. at least make sure your hair fits with balding and don't try to mask it. if you have to, go bald because it looks better on 90% of men especially with some facial hair. sad truth, but what can you do? not getting plugs. just not 20 anymore, and that's that

>>34793075
Whats with the tripfagging anyhow? You're the only tripfag who gves decent advice, the "people" who normally do it are either deranged schizos or bleating attention whores.

>>34789308
This kind of advice works only if you are even remotely resembling a normie. It is absolutely useless if you are a friendless, shor, balding, overweight, carless, low income, ugly, sexually/romantically inexperienced, khhdv autistic autism.

Talk to women while not being a statuschad? Enjoy your metoo'd jail time then. Western dating market is now for the top 3% chads and the percentage keeps shrinking.

Who the fuck cares if you are an "incel"? You have bad luck and women are challenging to you. The hell? Not that big of a deal.

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>>34793545
if you can't see the quality behind my posts your iq is less than 112 or you're an esl, bar none

cinnamon sugar swirls on EVERY bite

>>34793961
people want human contact though. They feel their chances for a happy life slipping away and they get stressed about it.

>>34792659
I go out all the time. I went out today.
I don't know what you think that gets a person if they don't have any kind of existing friend group to rely on.

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>>34793545
im a fool.
i like to help people, but i also like to laugh at peoples problems. imagining myself as holding a poison and remedy in each hand if i have to. other people have told me this too, that i poison a good situation or uplift a bad
i try to save the poison for people that have no interest in fixing their problems. i also hope it gives them a reality check seeing that they are the problem. tough love. sometimes i get carried away.
tripfagging pisses people off that give a shit about a 4chan feature. so if someones going to lose their marbles over something ultimately stupid and pointless, i'm going to reach for the poison and giggle
even if most tripfags give bad answers, it is a gift for you to see, so you can ignore the majority of em rather than a curse to have it - in your case
maybe it's a disability. people being sad makes me happy, awkwardness energizes me, and im serious when others are happy. i don't know why. maybe a bike accident. sometimes it hurts to laugh. i just roll with what i am

>>34793997
the psychiatrist's advice sounds like black pill but it is also the way forward earnestly

foids like a man who is up to something he's good at, you can overcome a lot of personal shortcomings in an instant if a female sees you do something well (excepting things that give her the ick)

if you become "hedonistic without the bad stuff" you end up in search of a good time and high spirits, and maybe in your adventures you find something you like, and you do it a lot, and you do it well, and you're in high spirits, and a foid sees and makes herself available to you for a moment

bazinga

>>34794010
> and a foid sees and makes herself available to you for a moment
Does it even matter if will not act on it?

>>34794016
i think so
the feeling is nice even when nothing happens

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>>34793997
That's if you depend your happiness on people. When you were in high school you let class clowns put you in a box of what the meaning of life is. However, what you don't realize is that most people and even the class clowns themselves when you get to know them find that to be bullshit. You're too damn stuck in this box and you need to get out of it and see the world is alright despite what I do not have. You don't do that, but keep going down this rabbit hole you'll be miserable with no way out. You take my advice when you least expect it while you choose patience over anger, someone will approach you.

>>34794026
I'm never going to be fully happy without having my social needs met. This isn't really negotiable.

>>34794033
I wish it was. Makes me glad I try to enjoy the little things in life than gloat over people and things all the time.