>>34960578
I’m 21 years old and I just got married to my virgin 20 year old wife whom I had a crush on since I was 12 years old. She rejected me multiple times and I have stalked her once. I am a mildly attractive 6’5 guy who has zero social skills and 2 friends. The reason I able to pull this off is because I am a very secretive person. No one knows anything about me, I wear very high fashion expensive suits. Everyday I sleep at different times. Sometimes I eat rare imported cheese in public (particularly in a low income neighborhood). Sometimes people talk to me and I just stare. This really enticed her. Also when it was time for sex she saw a new side of me the super aggressive side. I have her apple account and she texted her friend “I think I married a psychopath”. Truth is I’m a good guy with a good heart and I try to obey gods word but this society is extremely corrupt

How should I look at a woman if I want to signal to her that I am attracted without being vulgar? I'm trying to figure out how to flirt. I think I give off too much safe platonic energy but I don't want to accidently go to far the other way and become known as the slimy creep.

>>34960592
>The reason I able to pull this off
... is because you're 6’5

>>34960651
Use your words and actions. Your concern with subtle signals is what makes you come off as platonic. You should flirt overtly and escalate if the opportunity arises. Otherwise just behave like a social human being.

Also, what age group are you in? I find that younger people have greater and more reasonable concerns about being labeled as creepy considering how even a two year age gap gets you labeled a groomer by your peers

>>34960578
>how to get a foid?
be attractive
don’t be unattractive
>how do I be attractive?
have wide mandible, good cheekbone prominence, 10 to 12 per cent bodyfat, deep set eyes with positive cantal tilt, be tall
>okey but if I don’t have what do I go
nothing, you cannot create attraction

end thread

>>34960671
Way to go trying to sell to people that the single most necessary skill for dating success is impossible. What’s the point of this post?

>>34960664
My body fat percentage is at 20%

>>34960681
the point is to tell men that stuff in life such as dating is out of your control
and no amount of game, personality, confidence or whatever mumbo jumbo can really change that

it is all about your genetics and you cannot change your genetics

and if you are a genetically undesired you should not try to date but just focus on some other avenues of your life

>>34960671
>have wide mandible
Mine is average
>good cheekbone prominence
Mine is average
>10 to 12 per cent bodyfat
I'm 22% and I'm not muscular
>deep set eyes with positive cantal tilt
Mine is slightly negative
>be tall
I'm 5'10

Also I'm bald and have a 4.7 inch cock.

My girlfriend is fit and very cute. I fuck her wet pussy with my 4.7 incher and she cums on my dick while rubbing her clit.

start thread

>>34960697
me when I lie

>>34960671
i watch tons of amateur porn and yet to see an ugly fatso fucking a girl. its always fit chads fucking.

>>34960685
>and no amount of game, personality, confidence or whatever mumbo jumbo can really change that
Yes it can. Personality, confidence, proper grooming and dressing well can bring your attractiveness level from a 3 to a 7. Just how you present your self to the world can bring up your looks alone 2 or 3 points.
>>34960699
You are hiding behind your doomerism because you're a coward afraid of rejection. You have a very fragile ego. You don't need to attract every woman in the world, just a few, and to do that you have to stop being a coward.

>>34960703
>and yet to see an ugly fatso fucking a girl
You don't watch enough amateur porn then

>>34960714
hookers dont count

>>34960718
>porn
>hookers don’t count

Nigga…

I want to know what men think women find hot in a man versus what women actually find hot in a man.

>>34960703
pornography as an argument is incredibly low Iq

>>34960710
Hahahahhahahahahahha

>>34960682
>ofc it's a fat lazy retard that wins at life
Weight doesn't matter for men, retard (unless you're morbidly obese). Only height does.

>>34960745
women would rather fuck a homeless lean crackhead than a fat billionaire.

>>34960747
You're completely delusional. You're probably imagining that lean crackhead to be a tall young white guy with a head full of hair and a handsome face.

You lazy fat niggers imagine thin people have amazing lives, but that's not the case if you're ugly and short.

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>>34960763
Melania doesnt even want to hold trumps hand even tho hes a billionaire president.

>>34960769
Maybe that's because he's a decomposing pants shartic geriatric fuck. I mean maybe you have a point. Fat people often have terrible hygiene. Yeah, having bad hygiene makes people not like being around you. Groundbreaking stuff.

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Dating apps report

Installed tinder and bumble 09/03
I have just deactivated both accounts and totaled 10 matches on bumble and 22 matches on tinder

I started conversations with all matches. Most didn't reply to the first message, some did but then convos didn't progress past 5 messages after that.

I had a total of 2 positive experiences.
>Woman 1, 33, lives 40 miles away
We talked for a few days, she was responsive and seemed to like talking to me. I didn't think she was a very interesting person so I sort of inadvertedly fumbled it. Her sister lives in my city so I told her "hey whenever you come visit your sister lmk we can hang out" and she said "ok I will, sounds great!"... that was like 2 weeks ago and we haven't talked since lol
I think my energy was too casual, like "we can meet in person but I don't really care to". Yeah well... I guess I don't.

>Woman 2, 38, lives 60 miles away
We started talking sunday 09/03.
Tuesday 09/11 I sent her a voice note "hey, I think we should have coffee this saturday (09/19) 4pm, I'll drive over to you, what do you think" and she agreed.
So we kept talking, then met saturday, went to a couple of bars after the coffee, kissed and made out a bunch. Before I left she said her friend was having a birthday at a bar next friday and I that should come and that I could stay over at her place.

I bit the bullet and went this friday (09/25). Met a bunch of her friends (a lot of gays and lesbians), they're cool. Went to her place after, tried to fuck but I kept going soft, so we just gave up and slept.
Saturday we basically stayed on her bed. Fucked like animals 4-5 times, only left the room for coffee and lunch. In the evening we tried going out again, had two beers and gave up because we were tired.
Sunday we woke up and fucked again, then had some coffee and I left before lunch.
If it was up to me we would have fucked 10 times but women rarely have that much libido.

>>34960816
Anyway, she said we should keep talking and seeing each other and see where this goes and I agreed. That's that. We like each other so far and I already deactivated the apps. If this doesn't work out I'll hop back in.

Thanks for reading my blog. Ask me anything.

>>34960816
>>34960818
How old are you?

>>34960825
35

>>34960832
Do you find dating easier now than in your 20s?

I'm 25 and it looks like I'm competing with Chads and more affluent older men for the same young women, and older women don't consider me as an option.

I asked my hinge girl about how I beat out the other 99+ guys and thought I’d share her answer with you guys.

She only went through a few of her 99+ matches before getting bored. I wasn’t one of these. She liked me first. She only went through a few dozen profiles liking before stopping that as well.

Conclusion: I didn’t have to be the best guy on hinge or the best guy in her likes. I just had to be the best of the ones she did contact.

>>34960843
Not him but I never even tried dating in my mid 20s because I didn’t have any money. I think once I had enough money to casually drop $20-$50 on a first date like it was nothing it felt easier and I’m sure I appeared more attractive that way. In addition I’m just wiser and more interesting than I was then. So I’d say it gets easier.

>>34960843
I didn't date in my 20s. I was a fat loser until my early 30s. Before 2024 I only had sex twice and both were horrible experiences.

I dated a 25yo for 2 months in 2024. That was the first time I had actual decent sex. I broke it off because she was an alcoholic, immature, and had too many issues.

This year I went through a real breakthrough mentally through psychoanalysis. Self-knowledge has completely changed my life. Once you UNDERSTAND why you are the way you are then you can consciously work on fixing it instead of thinking you're permanently doomed.

So, when I installed dating apps this time I knew it was only a matter of time before I achieved success. I went in completely open, with zero fear of being inadequate or being rejected. All the rejections meant nothing to me, I just powered through it, and that has lead to the best sex of my life this saturday.

Maybe you don't have many issues dating and I'm giving you this pep talk for nothing, but maybe this could be useful to someone else.

On a more practical sense, I think travelling and having a unique sense of style has changed the game for me. Most of my matches were alt/artsy women. This woman I'm dating has never married and has no kids. She's hardworking and independent. I also don't want kids. So you know... the matching worldview helps...

>>34960864
Interesting.
The woman I'm dating said something that stuck out to me.
>a lot of guys ask me "so, what are you doing right now?" before I even know then... like, why would I care to share what I'm doing with you? I don't know you dude
So be careful with casual conversations like this, you may reveal neediness and turn women off.

>>34960961
I always found it funny that me being indifferent, not willing to play bullshit games and being busy ends up ATTRACTING or hooking up girls I already knew instead of the opposite.

>>34960864
further proof that getting a girl on at the app is just the luck being at the top of her match list instead of #99

>>34960989
Yep
That's why ghosting on apps shouldn't affect you and you should message every match no matter what because it's a numbers and luck game

I'll tell you all this over and over again, do not date someone who carries grudges.

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>drive a girl home after this even we were both on(met her there)
>stays in inside my car chatting for 2h

is this an IOI?

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Additional videos to watch and reflect.

Good starter videos
>Why We Shouldn't Leave Incels Behind
https://youtu.be/xHmDJyVT3g0?si=GEUm2HAZ-I6QpLgY
>How To Get A Girlfriend
https://youtu.be/05tG47pv1vM?si=x6Ngo0hvj7M9L1wn
>Dr. K Breaks Down The Science of Flirting
https://www.youtube.com/live/0k3YUL3iQds?si=OvrpJ6ZNK0je7Ybq
>How To ACTUALLY Find The Right Person For You
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSfuHwENzXM
>Why Your Tinder Match Isn't Going To Date You
https://youtu.be/KJX-8C7OHmw?si=5HcbRpJbUa7PE-gO

More for Men
>Why You Should NEVER Confess Your Love
https://youtu.be/xHkcIRZa6lo?si=zGxmCIXyHEAbsXdQ
>Can Men & Women Be Friends?
https://youtu.be/OafdDpFjOIg?si=O4SIMEOF5EzBFKN7
>The Interesting Truth About What Women Need Today & How To Get What YOU Want!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2mD6_g3xpk
>5 Harsh Realities About Women | Every Man MUST Face Alone!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkhLybpZKzI

More for women
>10 Brutal Dating Tips for Women That Women Need to Hear | And Men Need to Share!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCMKgpl7HW4
>Why You're The Least Valuable Friend
https://youtu.be/ql5sWIEAcFw?si=lYx6LPTx8xaaS7OM
>Why Women Can't Find A Soulmate
https://youtu.be/58kdlgKvEU0?si=ZskCXZLFY1iMmbpF
>A Perspective on Female Loneliness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbGZaGzWdfs

Extras
>How Your Brain Perceives Love When You Have Autism
https://youtu.be/KlSsI2CKYaQ?si=1XYAjx97G9oeNeS_
>Men Are Getting This Totally Wrong About Being A Simp or Nice Guy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn-U2Sx4spo
>The Addiction Women Can't Talk About
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDv-bX7Pegg
>Your Standards Are Way Higher Than They Should Be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diIc5e2RLKI
>"Why Women Deserve Less": Myron Gaines Loves Projection & Bad Math
https://youtu.be/u6QcjXub8fo?si=6TaYexKVRHBncmOm
>Why 40% Of Young Men Need Erectile Retraining
https://youtu.be/2MwTDoT8q_A?si=C-7aytPOjXwgOuIX

>>34960816
Here's a decent success story i guess.

>>34960961
Why is it such a big deal to reveal what you're doing
>so be careful
Dude shut the fuck up stop behaving in ways for women's approval. She's the weird one.

If a girl tells me she's starting to have doubts about her relationship, what side of the horseshoe am I on?

Alright. I've been dating this girl for about 2 years. We've done a month long stay on a vacation (We both happened to be going out of country at similar times and just consolidated.) Everything went well.
But, we're back now, and she's opening up to me. That's fine, I'm willing to listen and hear her out. But, the issues are repetitive. It seems like every other week she's having a meltdown about how she feels like she isn't progressing in her life. How she thought she'd be more, a more successful person, a millionaire or something. And like, sure, I can empathize, but I'm just not quite sure how best to support, because I feel like at some point I need to say something to her in regards to "I think this is a deeper issue than I'm able to handle". I've tried to bring it up but then she says "I can't afford therapy and I definitely don't have the time for it" (which is... sort of true. We both work double jobs)
Regardless, curious if anyone here has any idea or insight on how to handle someone having these sorts of breakdowns. The regularity of it is kinda alarming to me, more than the contents. I wish I could just say "oh it's just her period" but it isn't, it happens almost at random.

>>34961358
>How she thought she'd be more, a more successful person, a millionaire or something
LOL
This won't stop unless she has some sort of epiphany. She has a common modern disease and there's nothing you can do about it.
Take her to Paris for a few days, or maybe somewhere in Netherlands. Show her how people can live their best lives while being middle class. If this doesn't change her nothing will.

If nothing changes, break up and and let her dump her delusions on some other sucker. Life is too short to waste on a stupid bitch.

How to know if girl at gym likes you?
How to let girl at gym know you like her?

>>34961406
>How to know if girl at gym likes you?
Ask her out for coffee.
>How to let girl at gym know you like her?
Ask her out for coffee.

>>34961405
see that's the issue, that started it. We went to japan (I had business and was staying extra for vacay, she was just planning to go for a trip), and it broke her, she loved it so much, and has just been inconsolable since, been nearly 4 months now, and it's unceasing about how she feels like a fuckup.
I do care about her, but yeah, if she can't accept that it just isn't reality, I don't know what to do, and I don't think I can handle that level of caretaking and consoling this often, it's draining and stops me from doing shit I want to do because I have to sit there and rub her back and hold her and shit. It's just getting to be a lot.

>>34961416
She's stupid as fuck then. Most japanese aren't rich and they live exactly as she saw them.
Are you American? Does she understand taht the QOL people have in other countries has nothing to do with individual wealth? Or is she just a stupid tourist who wants infinite money to be a tourist?

If you hate america (very understandable) you can move to a better country. Millions of dollars are not required.

>>34961409
Seems like a felony waiting to happen with no IOIs

>>34961426
You shouldn't be talking to women until you solve this internet manosphere mental illness you have.

>>34961423
We are, yeah. And she never ever seemed to want for anything before we went. We're not super poor or anything, though not rich either (we make about $12,000/mo between us, 8k for me 4k for her), we have our own apartments and savings and stuff so there's no intertwining of finances (we have a separate "pocket" account we put money into for shit we want to do like go see movies or get dinner or, you know, that stuff).
But now everything doesn't seem like "enough".
I think she really just hates that we live in a shithole, but also she can't learn another language, she's just not that intelligent. Being totally real, we're both past 30, that big of a change is not likely, at least for her.

>>34961431
What do you mean? I catch her looking at me but when I look back she looks away straight away. Is this shyness or disgust?

>>34961434
Whack.
She must find time for theraphy. Pay for the better tier of an AI like Gemini or Claude or whatever, and tell her to talk ask it to be her theraphist. I think psychoanalysis is the most effective so I'd go that route.

>>34961439
I mean exactly what I said. You won't get arrested for inviting a woman out for coffee. "IOIs" is PUA lingo. Stop with this shit.
>I catch her looking at me but when I look back she looks away straight away. Is this shyness or disgust?
Likely shyness. Impossible to know from your perception of her looking if you haven't ever talked. People are shit at identifying flirting signals (including you) and studies prove this.
So the only way to know is to talk some bullshit about exercises or whatever, just be a normal person making small talk, then ask "wanna grab some coffee" or whatever, if she accepts just keep talking to her like a normal person, if she doesn't move on with your life, how hard is that.

>>34960681
>What’s the point of this post?
To make himself feel better about his own life. Because he is right. Dating success if 100% impossible.
FOR HIM, which he conveniently leaves out and instead presents it as a universal objective truth meant for you the reader.

>>34961457
Hmm... I dunno, this sounds too unrealistic. I get approach anxiety and don't want to lose frame if I spill my spaghetti. I guess if it goes south I could neg her because technically she is a MTB whereas I'm a HTN

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Yeah sure she blocked you and you got rejected harshly, but do you want to know something? It did not end on the note you are unworthy of love and compassion, it ended on, "I see you as just a friend." Simple thing, but easy to overlook. It is highly important when we date we see ourselves as human beings worthy of compassion and say fuck you to how the plotline of life defines us, because the characters are not the plotline life gives. You are human and making mistakes is a part of being human.

>>34961556
Also let's be real, if they are going to treat you like that why would you even want to be with them? If they can't even treat a stranger like you with compassion and can only get out of a social situation by being a cunt then imagine how it's gonna be dating them.

>>34961556
A cold rejection it's sometimes preferable to a fucked up girl saying yes, not even close to the worst result.

Feel so shittty went to a small 21 plus music festival and did not approach one girl such a wasted opportunity fml

>>34961727
>>34961732
We're talking about human beings as human beings.

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Last night I matched with a girl on Bumble. We were having a nice conversation, not too flirty but very fun. And then suddenly out of nowhere her account was gone. She deleted her profile midconversation. Honestly not even the first time. Last month another girl deleted her account after we had a first date. What the hell is wrong with me? That is worse than any rejection

how do i pretend like i am talking to a woman for a reason other than sex?
i am somewhat charming but also honest. i feel bad pretending i care about what she is reading or whatever

>>34961904
Women know you want them for sex already. Just don't be a pervert about it.

>>34961892
She got more serious or near confirmed with someone else why you were at most on a first date basis

Yesterday on my usual public transport trip I saw a girl taking creepshots of me in the window reflection.

I hate myself for being so afraid of talking to people, especially women. Like... viscerally hate. It makes me so fucking angry, I kind of want to beat myself to death

>>34961929
This sounds unlikely. What were you wearing?

>>34961931
I have the same problem. It's weird because when people talk to me I have normal conversations but in my head I believe I'm going to spill my spaghetti.

>>34961931
>>34961937
take ssris, your dick will not work but you will be surprised at how much easier socializing it will get.

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>>34961922
Fuck it, I hate it so much. Time to hit the gym

>>34962028
The thing is I don't actually feel nervous or anxious. It's more like I preemptively give up because I already know it'll never go well and might as well avoid the embarrassment.

>>34962089
ssris make you act on autopilot. you literally can not stop yourself from speaking with people. when i was on them i would make smalltalk with strangers all the time even tho im not that kind of a person and after i stopped taking them i would cringe at myself

Ok how do I start a conversation with a woman, how do I hold it and how do I put flirting into it?

I'm a 32 year old white male in NYC and i had a date with a redheaded cute 32 year old white girl this evening and i turned it down after a week of talking because she was too woke. i fucking hate women so god damn much.

for any one girl she may find 80% of guys undatable
then within that 20% she may find 2-5% of those guys genuinely attractive physically

id say a lot of the discourse around dating seems to be peple trying to get in to that top 1% of guys to that girl

It is more beneficial to clear that first threshold
being in the top 20% to many girls
(not all girls are the same)
and playing the long game with every girl you meet

what do I mean?
if you clear that first threshold, you showing restraint and willing to invest without being thirsty will get you more time with that girl
and time leads to relationships leads to sex

to reach that 1% you should be at least two of the following:
white, tall, rich, handsome, muscular

if not, just play the long game:
for any girl you meet, make it your objective to show almost no physical desire for the girl
what do i mean?
no trying to imply sex, bringing her to your place, no touching her, etc until you've met her more than once
every first meeting should be fun and light but with no showing that you're interested sexually in her

>>34961250
>view post
>see its all on a ricecel's youtube page
>question worth of said post

bro is this all cap just some kind of marketing scam for a LARP? is this funny to you? people's lives are at stake here.

>>34962089
>>34961931
Skill issue. Get better and you won't feel this way.

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>>34962226
>Don't watch his videos! He's a jeet! The only way yo get women is to hussle, look maxx and go clubbing fot whores!

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I think I hit a breaking point.
I know I'm hot (or very sure I am?), I get girls attention, I'm smart, I have a billion hobbies, I talk a lot and know when to stop, I'm built and in the process of getting ripped.
Avoided women for years because I didn't feel ready nor wanted to deal with their bullshit, after years I found one that seemed to be worth it, one I could open up to, and she's been constantly over me.

And she tells me she's in a "situationship" and can't decide yet but that she really wants to be with me, she started playing this hot and cold bullshit and that was 2 weeks ago and I just went perma cold in response, probably forgot by now, and it's all hitting me now.
Now I kinda just want to triple down on gym and making money, and just go full endless hedonism with soulless whores on dating apps.
I'm not even mad anymore, just empty, tired.

>>34961219
Two hours?

>>34961299
What if they're doing nothing? They wouldn't want to come off as boring.
>>34960989
It wasn't only luck though. She said she liked me because I had to know the story behind my elite photo. Funny enough, she actually never asked about it. I get tons of likes just off that one photo.

>>34962433
*she had to know

>>34961250
Some of his videos have good advice but many others do not because even though he clearly has had some contact with the redpill he still operates under bluepill lens and believes in stuff like "earning" a woman's attraction, "right person for you" which is simply an euphemism for the soulmate myth and negotiating for a woman's desire.

Read Rollo Tomassi.

>>34962215
Basically as practical advice

maximize two of these traits at least i mean exceptionally maximized:
> Face
> Height
> Lean muscular body
> Be white

These will help if you finally meet the girl
> Status
> Charisma / social confidence
> Humor / communication

Even if you achieve the above any of these will cause rejection:
> Bad hygiene
> Obesity
> Severe acne / poor grooming
> Bad teeth
> Smoking / addiction
> Desperation / clinginess
> Awkward or creepy escalation
> Major language barrier
> Large age mismatch

Basically:
> One exceptional trait gets you opportunities.
> Two exceptional traits make strong attraction much more common
> Hidden traits like charisma only matter once you get access
> A major negative can cancel several positives
> Average doesn’t count, the trait has to be noticeably exceptional.
> Improve what you can control: physique, grooming, style, social ability, language and status.

Simple rule:
remove the obvious negatives first, then build at least one exceptional trait on top of whatever natural advantages you already have.

How do you deal with loneliness?

>>34962895
By not hanging out with super smart people who can't handle challenging words.

>>34962548
>> Large age mismatch
How much is large age mismatch anyways?

>>34962986
30+

>>34962986
up to the girl honestly
in 80% of cases this is true i feel:
people in college age date college age people
people in their mid twenties date peple under 30
and people in their late 20s date up to 10 years older

older women will date anyone who likes them plus or minus 5-10 years

>>34962548
You or anyone giving advice like this is getting laid much. I would love for you to post a video of yourself cold approaching girls because I already know you suck from this kindve advice. I mean fucking degenerate black guys hook up with hot white women, most of the valid advice here is things like not being clingy and some vague nation of social skills

>>34963089
>fucking degenerate black guys hook up with hot white women
correct they are both muscular and tall
or tall and charismatic
or muscular and funny
or any other combination of those two
use your brain a little

>>34962358
I mean it's hard to tell because you gave limited information, have you been dating or seeing any other girls besides this "one"? If all your efforts are focused on making shit work with this one girl you are going to be reeking of desperation. You need to be dating around, even if you want just this one girl and ESPECIALLY if you want just this one girl. Talking to "soulless whores" (btw really weird way to view other women) is actually a good start if you haven't been dating anyone, you need to just enjoy talking to different girls before you will really be able to attract the ones you truly like.

>>34963093
Like I said guy, I would like to see a video of you cold approaching women. Do you get laid a lot? Just curious if you will blatantly lie to everyone here because I know for a fact you do not. You are obviously socially isolated if you haven't routinely seen men with nothing other than "charisma" (oversimplification) pull the hottest women on this planet, and yes some of the best guys with women are under 6 ft but you would need to go outside to know that. Autistic tard

>>34963106
exceptions don't prove the rule
and i can tell you have no mental capacity to think things through because you can't understand the point of the post

yes i've seen ugly white dudes with abvoe average looking asian girls
why? white + status
yes i've seen extremely ugly short charismatic people with hot girls
why? charisma + status

it's just a simple thing
if you're exceptional at any two traits you will have opportunities to create attraction

you get way more chances to show your charisma or status if you are white, muscular, tall, and or handsome (things that are legible right away)

and i am typing this not for you because you probably can't understand this concept
but for people who actually can think a little and want to understand that these are the scientifically studied factors that contribute to attraction

>>34963119
It's only charisma and status that matter. That is the 99% and you keep mentioning the 1% like being "lean and muscular and white". And it's not even charisma or status if we are being precise it's just your energy but you would be too autistic to understand that. Autism is the antithesis of attracting women which is why I know you are struggling yet you are still giving people advice which is just going to fuck up other people. You don't need "status" what the fuck is status when a degenerate who is broke is able to get laid. Another whole in your theory, there are broke degen losers who have nothing but "charisma" that don't fit into your autist model. All you need is "charisma" but you don't even understand what it is (because you lack it)

>>34963148
Damn you just proved you can't understand or think
crazy

>>34962548
now based on studies which is most important
> Face — 10/10
> Lean muscular physique — 9/10
> Charisma / social confidence / sexual calibration — 8.5/10
> Height — 8/10
> Market-specific racial / ethnic phenotype advantage — 7.5/10 (possibly goes up to 9/10 in different markets)
> Age fit — 7/10
> Language / communication ability — 7/10
> Status / resources — 6.5/10
> Humor — 6/10
> Style / hair / grooming — 5.5/10
> Skin quality — 5/10
> Voice — 3.5/10
> Teeth — 3.5/10
> Facial hair — 2.5/10

Negative traits:
> Creepy / threatening / badly calibrated behavior — −10/10
> Bad hygiene / smell — −10/10
> Serious sexual-health risk — −10/10
> Severe addiction / instability — −9/10
> Cannot communicate with her — −8/10
> Extreme obesity / very poor body composition — −8/10
> Large age mismatch — −7/10
> Severe acne / visibly poor grooming — −6.5/10
> Desperation / clinginess — −6.5/10
> Very poor social skills — −6/10
> Smoking — −5/10
> Obviously poor teeth — −4.5/10
> Bad clothing / hair — −3/10

>>34963179
Studies
[Physical attractiveness in speed dating](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19558447/)

[Male strength, muscularity and body attractiveness](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5745404/)

[Social confidence and romantic desirability](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32512622/)

[Height and mate preferences](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36092066/)

[Race and dating preferences](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0265407513505925)

[Age preferences in sexual partners](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10367477/)

[Cross-cultural mate preferences](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17380374/)

[Humor and romantic interest](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21521721/)

[Male voice pitch and attractiveness](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31564128/)

[Facial hair and attractiveness](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27488414/)

[Relationship dealbreakers — 6 studies, 6,500+ participants](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26445853/)

[Short-term mating and physical attractiveness](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16594832/)

>>34963101
I wasn't trying to see any girl at all, this bitch just kinda forced herself upon me, I never pushed her or did cringe shit like sending a lot of texts, the good morning shit, was never overbearing, etc, I was focused on my self and then when I caught myself having feelings for her I asked her out real quick.
>Talking to "soulless whores" (btw really weird way to view other women)
Really hard not to when I stopped talking to women because of my last relationship years ago, and now this happens, plus some other bullshit in high school.

Most of the significant women of my life have been borderline evil or manipulative.

Are apps like Tinder and Bumble worth using for simply getting to know women for a bit before escalating? I´m still in the middle of a divorce, I do want some platonic connections for a chat and a cup of coffee but I am well aware most women on there are looking for something serious. Should I bother if one of the first things I'll say is "Don't expect anything serious, I don't want to commit"?

i find it funny when people brag about their success and fail to recognise why they are so successful
i see it online all the time
like yea i get tons of bitches just be funny

meanwhile dude is like 6ft2 and white

>>34962158
have you tried even LOOKING at one of the books in the OP? There's so many books on this topic. Models, The Art of Seduction (Robert Greene), the Red Pill subreddit (if it's not banned alreayd) and the RP books, etc. If you're willing to read shitposts on 4chan, you might as well go read a proper book

>>34963198
>I am well aware most women on there are looking for something serious
Then you are not well aware.

Most women in dating apps are looking for validation and to waste your time.

I see all the game advice saying ignoring women attract them to you but in my case they start to hate me and go fuck some other guy to spite me

>>34963291
Are you 12 or do you really have no concept of nuance and context? Especially with women a lot of the shit is highly nuanced and seems paradoxical even.

Ignoring her completely will net you the same result as an autistic sperg: nothing