all rodents welcomeprevious bread >>4691039
are there places that are like petting zoos but instead of farm animals you can pet chinchillas and capybaras and degus and springhares and other uncommon mammals?
>>4751171Nagasaki BioparkIt's where all those pictures of capybaras in hot springs and guinea pig bridges are from, they have all kinds of uncommon animals many of which you can pet if they let you
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any gerbil-havers in the thread?
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>>4751590skaven range refresh soon-soon
>>4751590>>4751673based man-things
Post ratty-sounding music.
>>4752886https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElYUWnvKFfA
How much less likely are male rats to develop tumors than female rats? I hear all these terrible tales about girls, but I'm not sure how it works out in reality.
Speaking of tumors.The first pic is the 8th day after surgery and the bottom one is 21st. She removed all the stitches herself on the 9th day. Today she started bullying younger girls again after a month of peaceful coexistence.
>>4750953What is the best treat for Rats?, i legit had no idea what the fuck to give them
>>4755190Fruits like blueberries, strawberries, raspberries. Small amounts of nuts e.g. cashews, pistachios etc.Vegetables like carrots, peas, sugar snap or petit pois.Avoid alfalfa seeds and apple seeds & core. Rats get diabetes easily, avoid too many shop bought treats.
>>4755190I give mine raw pasta and sunflower seeds (not too many tho cause they're fattening).
What's the longest living species of small rodent I can have as a pet?
>>4755251Probably those naked mole rats that stop aging
>>4755643This is where all that tax-funded NSF money is going (and that's a good thing)
>>4752434I love their pendulous ball-butts
>>4755643>two-handed rat ticklingHas science gone too far?
>>4751646What did you do?
lol flat rat
hi
>>4756778it's funny how stock rats live on forever in rat memes
>>4758202Rats live forever in our hearts
>>4758180hello
if you had an immortal rat, what plan would you have so that it will get taken care of after you die?
>>4758392contact and keep in touch with some rat tuber like shadow the rat and prepare instructions with my family to send the fancy rattus norvegicus into their possession in the event of my sudden demise
Should I have more than one litter box? I managed to train them to poo in one place but their piss is all going to another place (the shelf).
>>4758643I read in one of these threads that a rock or stone is good as, it can't soak in their smell they'll keep trying to scent it.I have one in each cage and it does get more but they will pee a little everywhere to get their smell around.
Thoughts on squirrels? There's quite a few near where I live. They come into our garden all the time. And I see them climbing up trees when I walk around my local area.
>>4758735They're nuts
>>4758735I think they're cute
>>4755792What an absolute unit
Any thoughts on rodents that would work despite having a cat? Even hedgehogs seem like they might not work if they'd get scared by the cat. Obviously capybaras might be possible
>>4758911i think cat scent would stress em out every day, even if invisibly and you can't see their fear
>>4755190They like bugs.
>>4758961>noo my scent
I'm going to be introducing 2 young mice later. I know to introduce them on clean, neutral, unmarked turf, include plenty of hiding places and observe closely in case I need to intervene, but is there anything else I should know? I've read horror stories on forums about mice mauling each other to death, sometimes days after a seemingly smooth introduction
>>4760077i hope it goes well, anon. wish i could give more advice in this thread
Pupute and Atlas, aren’t they cute?
>>4758392>tfw you weren't born in a world where domesticated rats are immortal and passed down through families like treasured heirloomsImagine what ancient wisdom could lie behind those little eyes.
One of my pet mice got out and is hiding somewhere in my living roomMotherfucking Mighty Mouse, nobody told me they can jump high
>>4761630yeah! i like their names
>>4761970Why does it say "don't dox" on the bottom, it already doxxes him at the top?
>>4762041i presume because it doesn't list his precise address
I do not have rats, nor do I really plan on it because my moron dog would scare the poor things half to death I'm sure. But I breed dubia roaches and am curious if rats would enjoy digging through their substrate to forage for them, or if they'd just really not care too much.
>>4762190like >>4758982 said they love bugs, it'd probably be a great time for them
pupute’s fat ass
I’m sorry, it’s just, he’s my peeg.
>>4762680Cute wheekwheek!
>>4762680>>4762678Pui pui ancestor molcar
I often drop walnuts near this tree.
>>4763721Holy shito a red
>>4763721Do you make him say the line?
>>4763721nigga that’s… thats… i can’t find the word…
>>4763832wat
>>4763913sorry for shitty quality I didn't want to frighten him by getting too close
>>4763832nuts?
ready for a sip
>>4753759Males have much less mammary tissue so have less area to develop tumours in. Males still get them but it's less common.
>>4766565Just trying to figure out if I should get males or females. Males supposedly smell worse, piss more and will teabag you IRL with their giant balls, so I'm more inclined to get girls. However, the prospect of having to constantly pay for tumor removal surgery that may itself kill the rat seems like a huge issue, but I wonder if it's more of a near-inevitability for your girl rats to end up like that or if there's a fair chance many of your girls will be fine.
>>4765907sssip
I think normal ears are cute too and dumbos have weird teardrop heads.
>>4767116i’m a normal ear appreciator toodumbos are still beautyful
>>4755643
>>4763721>>4763913>>4763915how are tree rats as pets compared to rat rats? their significantly longer lifespan has me considering it.
What have you done if your rats get agressive with each other? Mine have been agressivly grooming and fighting over food a lot. Could it be something related what they eat or more like territorial issue?
>>4767437it's always hormonescastrate them and they should mellow down
>>4767449Resuscitation. Kiss 'em anon.
>>4767437When you give out food or treats make it so they cant carry away half of it to their nest. If you give carrot, dont give them whole or few bits to fight over, but grate it. It also helps to have plenty of basic food pellets available in general.Grooming and such is just hierarchy being established and once its done it'll cool down.I'd never castrate my rats, but if you have mixed brood (both lads and ladies) then its necessary.
>>4767429No domesticated breeds as far as I know but you can tame them.Start a squirrel domestication program.
Would rats be troubled by the scent of a cat passing by on the other side of a mesh door like 7 meters (23 ft) away even if they can't see them? I live in a small apartment at ground level and there's often cats passing by.
>>4767729Never had an issue when I kept a pair of hooded rats alongside a pair of cats and a dog.We had to be careful that the cats/dog didn't get so close to the chicken mesh that a rat could bite their schnozz.
>>4767729for a moment maybe until they get used to the new scent
Successful pig friendship
>>4768277do they get territorial or something? why wouldn't it be successful
I'm so fucking impatient bros I've got my DCN set up and pimped out, foods and toys made up, everything ready for some rats but I have to wait at least a few weeks for my rat breeder to have babies available.
>>4768341Yea territorial and hierarchal social structure
>>4768341Males form groups with a clear pecking order. There are leaders who boss around by chasing, mounting, and being loud, and then there are followers who just go along with it. It keeps things in check and prevents too many fights, but there can still be issues, especially when new guys join or one of them passes away
>>4768409atleast you’re buying from a breeder and not a crap pet store. based anon
>>4767437Any improvement with the feeding advice from >>4767511?If not, how frequent is it?Is it always one starting?Is it affecting anyone's ability to eat enough?
there was a gif of sped up rat tickling but I can't find it in my folderanyone have it?
>>4769721baws
>>4768553I don't get people who buy their pets and afterwards go "duhhh what do I do now?" like come on, put an iota of effort into the damn things' wellbeing. Part of that includes making sure their temperament and health is optimum. I'm lucky as hell to have an ethical breeder in my state. The business is a reptarium as well so they're a high cull rattery.
>>4767429I've only fostered squirrels, and even if you tame them they're still a wild animal and way more messy and demanding and destructive. Even my juvenile boy climbed to the top of the rat cage to stick his dick through the bars and piss as far as possible to spread his scent. I've also heard they're aggressive and territorial post puberty, like will literally dive-bomb and attack any guest and say goodbye to any curtains. If you're looking for a pet, don't get one. If you really want a squirrel and can deal with an undomesticated animal, make sure you do the research to give it a good home.
>>4755251Guinea Pigs live 8 years, I think chinchillas are up there too.
>>4769721nigga that's nuts
>>4769911Wasnt the lifespan estimation for Chinchillas around 15-20 years?
His name is winston, what do you have to say to him?
>>4768341Boars in particular are retardedly territorial. The documented formal term for the beta male is "underpig"...ours is named Everly
>>4770487Yo my pigga
>>4770487Has he pissed on you yet? Mine loved to do that once in a while.
>>4770487pigger>>4770492piggers
>>4770487wheekwheekwheekwheekWHEEKWHEEKWHEEK
>>4770487QUEEK QUEEK VEGGIES NOW
>>4770487>>4770492Meet Runoa and Lunafreya
>>4770755Rinoa*Fucking autocorrect lol
>>4770755>>4770492>>4770487what would happen if we all met up and dumped our guinea pigs in a single pen?
Do pet shops do delivery for actual animals? There's only one that sells appliances where I live.
How difficult are pet rats? How expensive? I've currently got older dogs and I'm just thinking for the future, I've always liked the idea of pet rats
>>4771045Sex
>>4771137Depends on what you call easy, less maintenance than a dog and depending where you live can be a touch cheaper with the vet.The life span may not be something you find easy.Pic unrelated, just Burroughs chillin.
>>4769528I am dumb I had it after all
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>>4773496lean and strong looking fellow
>>4773731He shouldn't be lean with all the walnuts I've been feeding him.
being a capybara isn't all pets and farts huh. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB-62N3yZww
>>4773496>>4773497nuts
Sorry but this is a sad post. Anyone here have experience euthanizing your pet with dry ice? I'm looking for advice about it.I own mice. I've done it 4 or 5 times now. I have a few reasons for doing it this way. Pain free euthanasia is very expensive. There is a place a half hour from my house that will do it for $15 but without anesthesia. Doing it at home saves the mouse from being stressed or scared from the trip and from being taken to a scary place. It hurts to do but I think it's what's best for them. The first few times I did it I used a medium sized tupperware container. It was very quick, only a few seconds. It's a little hectic for me to do it with a small container. I'd prefer to do it in a 10 gallon tank so it's less stressful for the mouse. I cover the top with tin foil with a large hole in it for the CO2 to sink into. Since CO2 is heavier than air, it will stay in the container as long as it's protected from excess airflow. Ideally I'd put them in there and while they're distracted checking things out, I'd start the dry ice.I tried this approach last time and it took a lot longer for the mouse to fall asleep, about 30 seconds. That's not ideal at all. CO2 asphyxia can be distressing. If it only lasts a few seconds I'm fine with that compared to the alternatives, but 30 seconds is way too long. My theory as to what happened is that the CO2 flowing into the container mixed with the air rather than displacing it from the bottom up like I had hoped. I've thought about maybe increasing the amount of dry ice significantly to displace the air as quickly as possible to prevent mixing. But I'm not sure about it. Does anyone here have any experience with this that could offer some advice?
>>4777163Doesn't CO2 immediately turn into carbonic acid in their lungs and cause burning pain in the seconds before they go into shock and die of oxygen deprivationhttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15901358/Buy a tank of nitrogen and fashion a murine exit bag
>>4777176Oh wait no please forget I said that, common sense didn't hold up to googlehttps://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/death-by-nitrogen-was-supposed-to-be-painless-kenneth-gasped-for-6-minutes/articleshow/107175824.cmsI have decided that the most humane euthanasia method for rodents is .45 ACP at point blank range.
>>4777176>>4777177Nitrogen euthanasia is painless, that guy was purposely trying to fight it. In regards to CO2, it's not completely painless. It's preferable compared to a giant needle to the heart. Carbon dioxide is why it hurts when you hold your breath for too long. When I've euthanized my mice before it takes literally 3 seconds. If it's a little painful for a brief moment it is what it is.
>>4777183Man can you imagine three seconds of agony? Just imagine a giant mouse counting over you while the chamber fills with gas>here we goooo! t minus... *click* *psssssssssssssssssssss*>huh? huh HUH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA>one and a>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH IT BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURNS>two and a>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa>three and a>-aaaack.>ding! aight now imma get some cheeseHow macabre.I'd rather be vaporized.
>>4777186I'm sure someone who's not an autistic retard will reply to my post.
>>4777191Never forget, one day, you'll be eating their cheese.
>>4777163Feed them sleeping pills
Post rodents sleeping in comfy areas.
>>4777163I did a CO2 chamber like this, it worked gassed two of my rats
So do they brux every day, or only if they're happy? I've read that bruxxing is a natural habit of keeping their teeth short. Do depressed rats brux?
>>4758911>hedgehogsHedgehogs aren't Rodents.
>>4775159sleep potato
BEEP BEEP OUT OF THE WAY FOR THE SUPERIOR RODENTAlso see, why are bunnies the best (my little lady penut pictured)
>>4780732But they're not rodents, they are lagomorphs...
>>4777163>here is a place a half hour from my house that will do it for $15 but without anesthesialol does he just bring a hammer with him?
>>4781033What do you think they're doing when they euthanize your rodent? Injecting poison into its heart. If they don't put it to sleep ahead of time they're going to feel it. If you've ever paid for cheap euthanasia that's what happened.
>>4777186>>4777195Do you have more images like these? I need them.
>>4782267smug mother fucker
Anyone have experience adopting excess lab rats? How's their health in the long term? Getting rats from a local university is the most accessible way for me to get them, but I'm kinda concerned about how shit their genetics probably are.
>>4783558They have superior genetics
>>4783671Really? What are breeders doing that an inbred population not selected for long-term health is better off?
Today I learned these exists.
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>>4784471>>4784473That’s fucking nutsWay better than rats
>>4784473Cool little critter
are guinea pigs dumb enough to starve themselves to death?I made the mistake of buying a huge bag of baby carrots and feeding them to my pigs every day and I noticed they stopped even touching their hay, gave them a fresh bale and all they did was spread it as bedding and wont eat it and just wheek for more carrots. I'm considering just cutting them off of carrots and pellets cold turkey until they eat the hay but I'm also worried they'll just die from their digestive trats not working due to not eating for 24 hours rather than eat hay
>>4785205>are guinea pigs dumbyes
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>>4784473>>4784471>>4784475pokemon
>>4783558I have five Sprague Dawley lab rats from my own lab. They are superior as they're all born without mycoplasma and are resistant to respiratory infections. If you introduce them to regular fancy rats though, they'll get the mycoplasma from them and lose that immunity. They're also negative for literally every pathogen (e.g., rat bite fever bacteria). My lab rats have been living for 2 years and still act super healthy and young. One of my four girls did have three mammary tumors already (none of them were spayed), but otherwise, she's been fine. Those are an almost 60% occurrence in all intact female rats though, so only having 1/4 rats with them is kinda miracle. My male is neutered, and he's pretty fat (my fault) but healthy otherwise. The nice thing with universities is they'll usually spay and neuter them for free, which further reduces tumor risk. The biggest issue with lab rats is their temperament. I've tried to work with them endlessly, but they never really warmed up the way traditional rats would. Mine are still extremely skittish and used to bite me (not anymore). They are really friendly with rats, though, but they never fully learn to trust people. They're not very affectionate, and If I try to handle them, they start squeaking at me in terror. They don't let me pet them if I don't have food. It was so bad that the vet even had to anesthetize them just to weigh them. It's weird because they didn't act like this at all in the lab (learned helplessness), but once they got freedom, they learned that they could run away, so they got kinda defensive for a bit. I give them their privacy and love them regardless. These lab rats deserve good loving homes too. They'll be killed otherwise (I know firsthand). Mine may not let me cuddle them, but we do play a lot and they come beg me for treats and cat toys haha. I love watching them happy and cuddling up in a pile, knowing what was supposed to happen to them in the lab.
>>4784120>>4785536it's not really about breeding. It's that the lab rats and mothers are pre-treated medically for a host of pathogens that tend to cause recurrent issues in pretty much all fancy rat varieties. This is why lab rats are $200-$1000 (also extortionate lab pricing though). It's important since you wouldn't want your animal model to be affected by some other disease that you're not trying to study. For example: https://insights.inotivco.com/hubfs/resources/health-monitoring-reports/202a-rat.pdfThis is the health monitoring report from the supplier from which we bought the rats before I rescued them from the lab.
>>4786361Majestic creature
>>4763721>>4763913>>4763915>red squirrelI'm guessing you're in Europe then. I'm in England and unfortunately red squirrels are very rare around my area. I never see them. But I see grey squirrels all the time. Because they've taken over from the red squirrels.I made this post: >>4758735I probably see grey squirrels every day around my area.
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