This is your state on democrats. New Jersey is now the 6th state out of all 50 (is it still 50 or is it 51, lol) that requires a drivers license for a fucking bicycle thats supposed to be speed limited to under 20mph. Insurance and registration is also required. Not joking.On that note, if you havent bought one already, I'd strongly consider buying an ebike that looks as close to a normal bicycle as possible. The stealthier the better.Best believe the insurance companies want in on this one too.
>motorized vehicle>used on public roadslicense and registration nigger
>>945663107Nope. I dont live in a commiecrat state. Enjoy getting wallet raped at the gas pump.
>>945663067Wow the foreign shill is bicycle mad today
>>945663141You dont live in America
>politicians find another way to line their pockets in jew jerseyno fuckin way OP
>>945663107Lick that boot harder, faggot
>>945663152>>945663161
>>945663067I know it's a small number overall, but bicyclists have injured and killed people and done property damage. And yes, overall it's not a lot of money unless it's you they injure. Bicyclists should be registered and carry insurance. Maybe then they would obey the rules of the road that so desperately want to share.Not joking.
>>945663190Youre prob on gov support in canada
>>945663232Hows canada
>>945663248>I know it's a small number overall, but ladder users have injured and killed people and done property damage. And yes, overall it's not a lot of money unless it's you they injure. Ladder users should be registered and carry insurance. Maybe then they would obey the rules of the yard that so desperately want to share.>Not joking.
>>945663067You could never afford one nor are you in america, vincent
>>945663067>This is your state on democratsno, THIS is my state on guardians of pedophiles https://www.bikeiowa.com/Feature/2118/iowas-hsb-637-a-bill-that-bikes-should-fear
>>945664006You're a faggot with TDS. Go away.
>>945664034>zero argument detected
>>945663067Picrel is VERY common in dem/liberal run cities.The retards that typically lead socialist/communist movements are driven primarily by malicious envy against the ruling class. They actually don't really give a fuck about the poor people. That's why when they gain power they commit so many atrocities. Exploration:youtu.be/RaqkVffLEwo
>>945664121Weak bait is weak
>>945664121>dem/liberal run citieswhich cities aren't dem/liberal run?why aren't there any conservative cities?
>>945664198>why aren't there any conservative cities?google harder.
>>945664341I noticed you didnt name any...
>>945664121How do you like your canadian liberal gov giving you handouts to live because you cant support yourself?
>>945664198There are you're just too fucking retarded to know this. Faggot ass bitch.
>>945664404See>>945664357
>>945663294Ladders... homeowner's insurance, health insurance, worker's compensation insurance.Bicyclists... "get out of my way! I'm sharing the road!"
>>945664456Bicycles.. covered under most homeowners and always covered by renters insurance.Both serve to satisfy the insurance requirements in New Jersey and Alaska and maybe whatever other democrat controlled shit hole that would make you insure something so trivial as a bicycle or skateboard with batteries.In the grand scheme of things a bicycle causes very little if any property damage even in a crash. Fatalities are also unheard of unless its a person in a car hitting a cyclist.
>>945664456Found the fat guy.
>>945663067Are they slower that the 50cc size engine equivalent?>>945663107For mopeds they just need to be under 50cc engine to be legal without being forced to giving free money to the government>>945664006>pedophilesThey are called MAPs
>>945665176Pedo-phile
>>945665225MAPsStop being a bigot
>>945665294Pedo-phile, stop trying to protect pedophiles
>>945665305You can't just suddenly be pro-MAP AND anti-pedophile faggot. kill yourself
>>945663067let me run you over with a fat bike and then tell me again who's reasonablebtw.: Murricans are worst drivers in the world anyway, look at the death tolls>>945663107this
>>945663141>gas pump>electric bikehow retarded are you kek
>>945664034lol look at you faggots feebly attempt to change the meaning of TDS. TDS is what the retards who voted for him have, which is why they voted for him. because they're fucking deranged.
>>945665419nobody is "pro map" because "map" is not a thing. they're just called pedophiles. and only republicans are pro pedophiles
>>945663067good, these stupid things will be a massive hinderance to self driving cars. watching motorcycles disregard painted lines will make other drivers more likely to do the same.
>>945664198Because no one with a functioning brain wants to be king of the landfill.
>>945663067
>>945665225More like pedal-phile, amirite?Btw, why is everyone moving toward fat wheels? Do they pretend they're on a sportbike? They are extremely inefficient and are really only needed for sand.
>>945668328MA: need loicense and insurance to ride a bike around the parkOK: do wheelie on 4-wheeler to the liquor storeI know which one I'd prefer.
>>945668156>massive hinderance to self driving carsThen they're not really self-driving, are they?
>>945667913Wow thats quite the reach. Did you stretch first? Dont hurt yourself.
>>945668156Wow thats quite imaginative.
>>945668328Cool story bro.>>945668471This guy gets it.
>>945667913>TDS is what the retards who voted for him haveLook at you trying to change the definitions of things. I bet you live in Iowa City or Des Moines.
This is proof positive that so called "climate change" is nothing more than a carbon tax cash grab and a power grab.If climate change were real and if so called carbon footprints mattered then the democrats would be howling bloody murder at an obvious solution to pollution and traffic congestion which are ebikes and other PEVs.They dont care about the environment at the end of the day. They care about money and sales taxes on full size vehicles.Its nothing but virtue signaling driving a Tesla as the mining and the production of a 5,000 pound vehicle carries a fuckton of environmental destruction and a whole lot of diesel exhaust to mine all of that copper and aluminum and iron just to make one and deliver it via diesel powered 18 wheeler.Make it make sense.
>>945668721This anon gets it.
>>945668721>"climate change" is nothing more than a carbon tax cash grab and a power grab.yeah science is all made up great contribution
>>945668836There is no science behind AGW. It's all computer simulations that don't match observations. And like that anon said, EV garbage is way dirtier than gas cars. They obviously don't care.great contribution
>>945668836>yeah science is all made upNice broad brushing, nigger. But I never said that all science is made up. Thats your nigger ass strawman argument.
>>945663067What's the alternative? A state where bikes are unheard of because everywhere is a parking lot, and bike lanes and bike accessibility is non-existent? Or are we forgetting the inherent Pro-Car nature of Republicans so we can have a "Gotcha" on Democrats?
>>945668836The average car trip is just 11 miles round trip. We know this from cellphone data.Why the fuck do you need a 5,000 pound appliance just to move your fat 290 pound ass and 15 pounds of whatever the fuck it is you're shopping for?You fucking dont.Stop playing their fucking game. The fucking rich have their thumbs on the scales and even if your net worth is a few million you aint rich.
>>945668949Holy shit that sounds like heaven. Cyclists are a menace to themselves and everyone around them.
>>945664522>Fatalities are unheard of if you discount the single largest cause of cyclist fatalitiesYou're so stupid.
>>945668949>Or are we forgetting the inherent Pro-Car nature of RepublicansThats a lovely broad brush. Show me how many red states require insurance on ebikes or licenses?You dont need a license to operate an Ebike in Missouri. Look that shit up, nigga.You do need a license in democrat controlled Springfield Missouri just to operate an Ebike.Like I said its your government on democrats. Own that shit, nigger.
>>945669050>You're so stupid.Such an intelligent debate point filled with facts and logic.
>>945669050Cars are the source of danger on the roadway. If you're too fucking dense to get that thats what I was saying then its your parents fault for being fucking retarded and breeding anyways.
>>945668992>The average car trip is just 11 milesOnly in the cities. The average miles daily driven are over 40.
>>94566905040,000+ vehicular fatalities in 2025. Mostly killing vehicle drivers or other passengers.Just over 1,400 pedestrian and cyclist deaths in 2025. 80% of those were the fault of people driving in 4,000 pound death machines.Pull your fucking retarded head out of your ass. People driving cars are the source of the danger.
>>945669120>Only in the cities. The average miles daily driven are over 40.Once again the average car trip is 11 miles. Most people live in or around cities.Most people live within 15 miles of a grocery store.
>>945669053>Focused on insurance when I specifically and distinctly mentioned infrastructure and bike lanes.Idk anon, because insurance was distinctly not apart of my argument. I was literally talking about the alternatives. You are replying "the alternatives are states that don't require insurance" when I asked "What states build bike infrastructure? Would I even be on a bike in a red state?"To answer the question you didn't answer, no I would be in a car, because the vast majority of pro-bike legislation is killed in Red counties.Let's look at Missouri, your OWN example. They're rated number 2 on the list of LEAST BIKE FRIENDLY states. Only 0.2% of people use a bike to commute to work.I'd say there's no public reason to create an insurance law in that case.See my point? Or are you gonna keep acting retarded?
>>945668992I'd be either pulled over or dead if I tried riding that fuckin' thing into town, plus it would take me a couple hours instead of 20. There is literally nowhere I could ride that thing except my local convenience store and gas station.
>>945669167I'm not sure what your point is. You dying still costs the state. You could survive, and the state would still lose money to clean up. If you can be in an accident that requires the state to involve itself, you should pay a road tax and insurance fees.
>>945669225>because the vast majority of pro-bike legislation is killed in Red counties.Are you going to keep name calling? Most republican controlled cities and towns are already extremely bicycle and pedestrian friendly.
>>945669225>the vast majority of pro-bike legislation is killed in Red countiesBecause bike "infrastructure" is in almost every case a failure. Some cities are reclaiming bike lanes back into car lanes. It's one of those feel-good things that doesn't really work, like EVs or trains.
>>945669230Step one is identifying the problem. And the problem is we live in a very car centric society that was purpose built to induce demand for cars.Actual freedom and the pursuit of happiness would give you choices.
>>945669329>Because bike "infrastructure" is in almost every case a failure.Bullshit.
>>945669331So what would be the answer? Build 25 MPH roads all over to cater to little electric shuttles?
>>945669355Look into it. They often don't connect areas and most of them go unused.
>>945669329>Bike infrastructure is a failureBike lanes, separate from car lanes, are the single largest factor in preventing bicyclist deaths. This statement is just so asininely uninformed, it has to be made entirely to be a contrarÃan.
>>945669429Many disagree.https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianafurchtgott-roth/2022/09/08/bike-lanes-dont-make-cycling-safe/
>>945669284>Name calling>Bike friendlyOkay well name a different state for me to check. Missouri is #2 on the list of least bike friendly states, and less than a quarter of a percent of people utilize NORMAL bikes (e bikes included) so your point is 0-1 so far.
>>945669369>Solution is to build more roadsThis is how indoctrinated you are. You didn't think of literally a single other alternative to more car supporting infrastructure. Did the idea of a multi-use pathway even cross your mind? Probably not, because then people could walk and bicycle freely on that path, separate from cars.
>>945669484Hey, I asked what a solution would be. It's not indoctrination, it's "how would we get slow moving vehicles to a place 25 miles away?".>the idea of a multi-use pathwayYeah, like a 25 MPH road? I just said that.
>>945663067isn't bicycle speed limited by your legs and what you had for breakfast?
>>945663067>Insurance and registration is also required. Not joking.good...i hit some jeet on a moped delivering doordash who randomly decided he's was a pedestrian and was riding it across the crosswalk (on a do not cross sign)..and he doesnt have insurance, so i have to turn it into my insurance and my rates went up. either be on a non-motor bike and stick to the bikelanes, or buy insurance.
>>945669451>Many disagree>A news article about a personal anecdote intended to encite emotional response, followed by data.You can tell they're arguing authentically because they didn't begin with the data.>Many disagree Most would agree with me, despite however many disagree. Also, the study cited; why did they choose that one? It reviews one city in one state, and creates an association; when, by the date of publication, other meta-analysis (MUCH higher quality study, with a wider data set that would be impossible to skew by geographic effects.) have demonstrated the exact opposite, and attempts to replicate those results are always successful, suggesting causal relationship.Here's just ONE study, and it's already 16x more coverage than the study cited by the article. I'm just curious what their motivations are, since this area is a fairly settled area of road ergonomics.https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2214140518301488?via%3Dihub
>>945669597>How do we get carsI'm not even going to try and explain to you where you're indoctrinated. It's kinda obvious for anyone reading what it is that's the problem with your solutions.
>>945669791So you want everyone to suffer because of one jeet that you democrats let into this country due to your bullshit "one race the human race" nonsense?This is why millions of people are fleeing the blue states each year. The largest human migration event in human history. All because you democrats have your heads up your asses.So if one asshole does something stupid in a car does that make all of you assholes?Thats your head up your own ass logic.
>>945669791>randomly decided he's was a pedestrianCyclists need fucking traffic classes and licenses. You constantly see bikefags riding in the bike lane, come up to a red light, hop on the sidewalk to use the crosswalk, and then almost get run over because oncoming cars are turning left. I can only remember seeing ONE cyclist who knew that he was equivalent to a car and used a left turn lane correctly. Everyone else cuts across the street or thinks they're a pedestrian suddenly.
>>945669925>Cyclists need fucking traffic classes and licenses. You constantly see bikefags riding in the bike lane, come up to a red light, hop on the sidewalk to use the crosswalk, and then almost get run over because oncoming cars are turning left.Bullshit.Again you blame all cyclists for just one dumbass. But you dont say that about all car drivers just because of one dumbass.40,000+ dead US citizens because of people driving cars.1,400 dead cyclists and pedestrians last year in the US. 60 to 80% of the time the fault of people in cars.People in cars are the problem. We obviously need alternatives and safer choices.
"Why wasnt that cyclist wearing his magic styrofoam hat?"Lo fucking L. Every fucking time with you car brains.
>>945669904>So if one asshole does something stupid in a car does that make all of you assholes?everyone in a car or on a motorcycle is required to have insurance or a surety bond in they cause damage or at fault in an accident. but since your faggoty motorcycle is slow...you dont need it? while on public roads? fuck off. ride your moped on your own land all you want without insurance/registration...but once you can cause physical/financial harm to other due to your carelessness on public roads...insurance time nigger
>>945670066Wrong. If a cyclist damages your property you can sue them.Whats next? Do you want kids on skateboards or joggers to insure their shoes?You're fucking ridiculous. When do cyclists cause any sort of property damage or physical harm to humans?Its a dude on a 25 pound bicycle doing 25mph. It isnt a 4,000 pound guided missile with a Toyota badge on the front doing 75+.Nice try though.
>>945669866>Here's just ONE studyYeah keep looking. I've been loosely following the car-side and the bike-side of this issue since I can remember. It's not the utopian goal it's made out to be. In some places it works beautifully, in others it's a massive failure. Even in some bike-only areas, injuries are high because most accidents are self-caused. I remember a story from London where they shut down a large chunk of the city for a "no cars day". Injuries and deaths skyrocketed that day compared to a regular traffic day. Going all-bikes is not an answer to anything, it's just something some people prefer.
>>945670066>everyone in a car or on a motorcycle is required to have insurance or a surety bond in they cause damage or at fault in an accidentGuided missiles capable of 100+mph.
>>945669990>We obviously need alternatives and safer choices.
>>945668471You not knowing the law in your own state isn't my problem.In Oklahoma, EVEN if your 4-Wheeler is fitted with headlights, blinkers, and break lights, it's not street legal and you can be pulled over for driving it on a public roadway. Cops use common sense, because they don't want to waste their time writing paperwork. If you're in the boonies, not driving recklessly, not parked somewhere suspicious, they won't stop you. You will absolutely be stopped doing a wheelie. I've been stopped on a street legal vehicle for doing a wheelie in Oklahoma.Also, if it was street legal, guess what? You'd need a license! You can't drive a vehicle on the street without a license. Exceptions exist, but Christ, this argument about "I break the law in this state and don't get caught, liberal states suck!" Is so retarded.
>>945669893>How do we get carsThat's not what I said now is it you fuckin nigger? I said "slow moving vehicles", which would include bikes and 4-wheeled toy dump trucks.>I'm not even going to try and explainYou're obviously incapable. You literally said "we don't need more roads but we should build more roads".
>>945669065>Ignores the green text I'll do the opposite. "Muh why did you call me stupid, omg. Stop repeating what I said retard."
>>945670243Get checked for autism, I shouldn't have to put sarcasm markers in my text for you anon.
>>945670209LoL we the people are not pajeets. Nice false equivalence though.Dude I've been riding the WMATA trains in DC since before you were born. 99.9% of people are kind, polite and considerate on the trains and buses. Even the black ones. Even though its more like 98% for the blacks, lol. But we're working on that.I can bicycle to the worlds largest pencil and be there in about 2 hours. Can you?
>>945669990>for just one dumbassI see dozens of cyclists daily and only ONE has used the road correctly.>you dont say that about all car driversBecause the topic is bikes. I also didn't talk about motorcycles, roller skaters, or tractors.>40,000+ dead US citizens because of people driving carsThat's a weird way to say "1100 die every year in vehicle-related accidents">60 to 80% of the time the fault of people in carsThat's a pretty broad range. Citation needed.
>>945669050>>Fatalities are unheard of if you discount the single largest cause of cyclist fatalitiesAt least you can admit the problem is people in cars. But you could be more clear about it as that sounded like you were blaming cyclists.The thing about cyclists is they almost never die. Unless they are very old like in the Netherlands or unless a car is involved.
>>945670066They also want all these additional paths and lanes, but they refuse to pay any kind of road tax to build and maintain them. They NEED cars because the gas taxes make bike paths possible.
>>945670228>knowing the lawYou don't give a fuck about the law. No cyclist does.
>>945670341Your retardation is indistinguishable from sarcasm.I accept your concession.
>>945670173>Keep looking>I'm going to ignore the weight of the evidence for the quantity, even when the weight of the evidence IS the quantity of evidence.Also, I never said "go all bikes.">No cars day anecdote You must be remembering absolutely everything wrong, because that's a yearly event, every Sept 22., in numerous localities. I cannot find anything that says what you said about London, do you have a source for that? These events are successful basically every year.
>>945670409>That's a weird way to say "1100 die every year in vehicle-related accidents"Thats a weird way of admitting that people in cars are the real problem and the source of most dangers when commuting.Cyclists and pedestrians die of pretty much nothing when they are on trails and sidewalks without any cars around. Funny thing, that.>I see dozens of cyclists daily and only ONE has used the road correctly.Then you live in a shitty area like Seattle with douchey cyclists.I live near Washington DC and 99% of cyclists are polite and friendly and dont get in the way of cars unless they have to.We have A LOT of cyclists in and around DC. A FUCKING LOT.You'll see cars everywhere with those bike racks on the back.Fun fact: Washington DC is home to one of the fittest populations in all of the US with some of the lowest obesity rates in all westernized coutries.We ride, motherfucker. And we're not rude about it. We share the road.Have fun with whatever shit hole you live in. Maybe talk to a few of those cyclists and see why they do whatever they do.
>>945670553>I never said "go all bikes."I just assumed. That's usually what the bike crowd is gunning for. That and walkable cities.>do you have a source for that?It was many, many years ago, so no. I've actually been trying to find it for almost as many years because the editor was brilliant with his words.
>>945670628>I just assumed. That's usually what the bike crowd is gunning for.No. It isnt. We hate government mandates. We dont give a flying fuck how you get from A to B. Just share the fucking road. Make room for cyclists. Give people options.That is all.I personally like big ass trucks. The huge ones that are all blinged out that dont haul a fucking thing. Dont care.Its not what you drive its how you treat other people.
>>945670537What was your argument again?
>>945670591>admitting that people in cars are the real problemHow do you know it was the cars' fault? These accidents wouldn't happen if there were no bikes, right?>when they are on trails and sidewalksWell no shit. There are also zero car fatalities while hang gliding.>I live near Washington DC and 99% of cyclists are polite and friendly and dont get in the way of carsThen I'm happy that you guys worked it out. I'm on the west coast and, while our drivers are bad, they have nowhere near the sheer autism of cyclists. More than half the cyclists are homeless junkies riding in the middle of the road or trying to lift their bikes over the median. The remainder are spandexfags with their penis helmets doing circles across 3 lanes of traffic for no reason.
>>945670869>More than half the cyclists are homeless junkiesSo its a drug problem not a cylist problem. Got it.
>>945670867You were saying we should build more roads for slower traffic while saying "nooo, not like that". It felt like you were going to offer a solution for a minute, but you never do.
>>945670628>I've been looking for it for many yearsI would assume you have, since you're probably mixing up 2 unrelated memories in your mind. You can just Google the words "Bike Free Day" then +deaths and add before:yyyy-mm-dd and you can basically confirm it wasn't said.
>>945670869>How do you know it was the cars' fault?Statistics that you're too lazy to research and IDGAF what you believe. You can choose to educate yourself or remain ignorant.Choose.
>>945670911Would you say the same if the majority of cagers were drunk?
>>945664198The majority of cities are leftist because urban environments attract leftists. They are parasites that rely on government assistance and can't function in a smaller rural community.
>>945663107BASED
>>945670935>since you're probably mixing up 2 unrelated memories in your mindNah, it was from Car Magazine. Those guys really hate cyclists and the article was funny as fuck. Every now and then I poke around archive.org trying to find it.https://web.archive.org/web/20260125155149/https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/
>>945670955>Would you say the same if the majority of cagers were drunk?No because theres a world of fucking difference between a human powered 30 pound bicycle and a human guided 4,000 fucking pound high horsepower, high torque guided missle and we both fucking know this.Man.
>>945663107so leftists are statecucks?
>>945668531driving is defined, refusing to follow the rules on the road is not driving.did you play board games without rules?
>>945671012Based on greedy government overeach and thankfully not found in 47 out of 50 states thanks to at least some sort of wisdom from our various legislatures.
>>945671159go pay more taxes you retarded animal.
>>945670942As far as I can tell the "statistics" are sloppy as hell. Do you have any of these statistics that explain these "car-related deaths"? I'm struggling to even find the total number of bike-related deaths, car-involved or not.
>>945671155Only when it suits their purposes. We both know pedocrats have no standards or principles.
>>945670170>>>945670066 (You)>Wrong. If a cyclist damages your property you can sue them.i didn't say 'cyclist', was referring to motorized bikes. want a motor on public roads, buy insurance. or ride a non motorized bicycle with no insurance...simple.
>>945671182actually noone has. it's all brainwashing to pay taxes.
>>945671175Sometimes life can be a struggle. Right now I'm struggling to explain the difference between a tiny bicycle with a tiny electric motor vs a 5,000 pound light armored vehicle with a shitload of torque.Its like most of you are stuck on stupid and you like it that way.
>>945663067Disavow the Talmud, Ari.
>>945671116So if a junkie is suffering from a drug problem and gets hit by a car, this in now a vehicle-related cyclist death and the car is the bad guy. This is the problem. Even with non-junkie cyclists, this is the problem. Do you have the real numbers?
>>945671159If I can drive down a road, identify cyclists, and not get in a wreck, I'm just driving.If a self-driving car can't do that, is it self driving?
>>945671155>so leftists are statecucks?just realize that the people that ride these things usually have no money and aren't worth the trouble suing/getting a judgment against. 'they don't need insurance, you can just sue the illegal...and still never get paid!'
>>945671239>Right now I'm struggling to explain the differenceYeah you are, logzi. You're also struggling to show these "statistics".
>>945671207>i didn't say 'cyclist', was referring to motorized bikes. want a motor on public roads, buy insurance. or ride a non motorized bicycle with no insurance...simple.No. Its not that simple. You're telling partially disabled people like me who has multiple traumatic brain injuries that I cannot participate in life unless I whore myself out to the auto industry, the oil and gas industry and the insurance industry.A 60 pound ebike that does under 20mph simply is not a risk to life or property. And I'm 100% sure that my homeowners insurance covers this risk even though my state isnt a nanny state and they let me use my ebike with no tags, insurance or license, just like 45 or so states in their infinite wisdom have allowed for for over 20 years.
>>945671318harvest the organs you say?
>>945671004>parasites that rely on government assistance and can't function in a smaller rural community.LMAOcities subsidize the rural sisterfuckershttps://www.brookings.edu/articles/why-rural-america-needs-cities/
>>945671252This faggot again. You disavow JRR Tolkien first then we'll talk.
>>945668574multipe threads a year polling about committing crimes if you would not get caught, loads of arguments about trees falling in the forest and not making a sound. i do not think i am making a leap, but i would be less hesitant to make that leap with segregation.
>>945671344>No. Its not that simple. You're telling partially disabled people like me who has multiple traumatic brain injuries that I cannot participate in life unless I whore myself out to the auto industry, the oil and gas industry and the insurance industry.them the breaks disabled fatty. you're poor life choices get to be my problem when you drift over infront of me?
>>945671339You just lost me with that nonsense comment. Shit that losers always say when they've lost debates.I'm not here to prove to you that I'm not from Lithuania. And the truth does not rely on geographic location. Either my comments stand on their own merits or they dont.
>>945671379Nice word salad, faggot.
>>945663067the rich are screwing all us and they have no fucking clue what's going on. great job pointing out the obvious but only where it doesn't complicate your own personal narrative of being special and right. childpolitifags are pissy little me-types. it's all run by kid diddlers and inbreds for their own gain.
>>945671395>you're your>poor life choices Not my choice. Was abused as a child.>get to be my problem when you drift over infront of me?Thats yet another lovely fucking strawman. You're a douchebag. Learn to make better arguments. Use facts and logic, not hyperbole.Weak ass faggot.
>>945671344Not him but what's the problem? How are cars stopping you?>unless I whore myself out to the oil and gas industryYou already are if you're relying on gas taxes to fund your bike lanes. EVs aren't paying for that shit.>A 60 pound ebike that does under 20mph simply is not a risk to life or propertyBullshit. You can run, with your feet, into a parked car and that still poses a risk to life and definitely property, the way cars are built these days.
>>945671395>get to be my problem when you drift over infront of me?Every vehicle that drifts in front of you is obviously your problem. Ignore it and see how that works out for you you ridiculous fucking cunt.Try that when a semi truck drifts in front of you. See how that argument sounds.You can avoid accidents on the highway of you can be a dumbass. Sounds like you're begging to be a statistic to me.
>>945671447porch monkey
>>945671395love how these 'outta my way faggot' people always get so surprised when another bigger 'outta my way faggot' type treats them like an obstacle.
>>945671415You haven't even entered a debate. You just talked shit and changed the subject like you always do.
>>945671525>How are cars stopping you?I never said that cars are stopping anything. What I actually said was IDGAF what you drive. Just dont be a cunt about it.Learn to read better, dumbass.
>>945671344>A 60 pound ebike that does under 20mph simply is not a risk to life or property> or propertyhorse shit...my car repair bill was like 4 grand. new windshield, bumper & hood. i could sue some jeet living undocumented in an apartment with 6 other guys...and get stiffed on the judgment anyway..or pay higher premiums. and niggas get whiplash from fender benders in slow traffic
>>945671525>Bullshit. You can run, with your feet, into a parked car and that still poses a risk to life and definitely property, the way cars are built these days.So what? Do you want people to insure their sneakers? How often does that absurd strawman of yours happen in the real world?Not enough to warrant forcing everyone to insure their fucking sneakers or their ebikes.Fucktard.
>>945671613Everyone I dont like is..
>>945671652>Do you want people to insure their sneakers?I think insurance is a scam. I was just saying that a person on a 60 lb bike doing 20 can definitely cause damage and risk life.
>>945671650>some jeetNice anecdote. Feel free to vote for the side that is for closed borders and tighter immigration policy.
>>945671699>Everyone I dont like is..Logspeak detected
>>945671451underrated post
>>945671714>a person can definitely cause damage and risk life.ftfySo mandatory and compulsory insurance for everyone breathing. Got it.
>>945671714Needless to say that it's also usually trivial to bypass the speed limiter.
Son do you have proof of insurance for that there tennis racket?
>>945671772>ftfyAnon literally said a person on a 60 lb bike going 20. You're doing it again.
>>945671801So just like on any full size car. Or you can be an adult and just respect the law and the privilege of driving an ebike that doesnt require loicense, insurance or registration.Also there are laws and cops can easily pull you over for speeding on an ebike.
>>945671652>insure their sneakers?>strawmannot going to even get mad...i know jannies need to make content to get (you)s on a dying board. but on the chance you're actually just a mentally challenged ebiker...i hope we run into each other soon!
>>945671819Yes I am doing it again. People are dumb, dangerous and panicky animals and you know it.You got a license for those golf clubs?
>>945671844>Or you can be an adult and just respect the law and the privilege of driving an ebikeThis. This is what needs to happen.
>>945671855>not going to even get madNot going to even muster a logical argument.And thats a SurRon in your pic. Those are not street legal. They are technically mopeds that do need tags and a helmet and maybe insurance.
>>945671313>If I can drive down a road, identify cyclists.two things, >not get in a wrecka golf ball hit my house, the insurance company says its my responsibility to protect my house from golf balls, am i bad golfer?what is your goal from this conversation? my support for the clearly terrible self driving in china that has no regaurd for cyclist or road conditions maybe that i should try to retard self driving software until its perfect maybe youd like me to ignore all the examples of countries that use predomantly bikes for travel and their attrocous disregaurd for traffic rules, possible just more asian hate because those fucking slant eyes do not give a shit about anything other than the american dollar, actively restarting slavery killing their comrades and just general disregard for contracts and allies.
>>945671864I do own an Ebike and no I will fucking not respect the 20mph firmware restriction.Because if a fucking dumptruck is bearing down on me I want all of it and I refuse to be the one wet sock that dies following an unjust law.I'm a fucking grown up. I will respect the 20mph rule and not leave it up to the fucking firmware.
>>945671844I don't know friend.If other states don't requre the paperwork, the law is probably going to be changed in the observable future.
>>945671903>all the examples of countries that use predomantly bikes for travel and their attrocous disregaurd for traffic rulesSo not the US. Got it.
>>945671947How fast can it go without the limiter?
>>945671956>other states don't requre the paperwork, the law is probably going to be changed in the observable future.Doubtful. New Jersey is gonna New Jersey and ebike laws are already 20 years old.
>>94567198420mph because I'm a responsible adult that respects the law.Faster but only if I feel its absolutely necessary and can also defend my actions in court.Again I'm a grown ass man and a responsible adult.Thats all the answer I'm going to give you. Unless you want to hear that it goes warp 9.9. In which case it fucking goes warp 9.9I already told you I can go 20+ if I need to escape imminent danger and still your faggot ass is pressing for more.This is a you problem.
>>945671989Oh well then.Maybe e-bike owners can organize and challenge the law.The majority of states not requiring the paperwork is quite the precedent.
>>945672071>The majority of states not requiring the paperwork is quite the precedent.Except it isnt. Because low speed vehicles like bicycles and horses dont require licenses or registration.Go try to register a horse at the DMV. Report back what they tell you.
>>945672049I'm not the anon you were talking to before.The only reason I asked is I was wondering how overkill the motor really is.If it can speed up to 25, it would be pretty standard. If it can go 40+, that's mighty impressive.It's fine if you don't want to share.
>>945672071>The majority of states not requiring the paperwork is quite the precedent.Oops I read that wrong. It really is.But again New Jersey is gonna New Jersey. Its their fault for supporting open borders. Of course foreigners are gonna do food delivery like they're on crack. Many of them are.Ebike fires in NYC and New Jersey? Foreigners that dont know volts from amps from watts and go on amazon and buy the cheapest shitty ebikes they can.Then they mismatch battery and charger and poof. Structure fire.
>>945671974+1 guess it is just brown and china. weird how often that is the case.
>>945671903If I cleaned my oven and it ends up cleaned, I cleaned it.If my oven is self-cleaning but if never gets the job done, then it's not self-cleaning.That's my only point. If a FSD car can't handle daily traffic issues, then it's not really self-driving.
>>94567217765. My ride is not technically legal as its over 100 pounds. But again I dont abuse the priviledge.Apologies if my tone hit you. Too many trolls and shit heads in these chatroom situations.
we should let retards that expect the governnent to babysit them die.
>>945672249The fine print says FSD beta. Keyword being beta. As in its aspirational.Also fuck Tesla cars and fuck Elon Musk but not for the reasons you'd expect. He pushes his workers much too hard. Then he says that "theres a lot of good energy there" when referring to the Chinese labor force.What an asshole. Chinese labor typically works 9am to 9pm 6 days a week. Suicide nets outside of factories are the norm. Zero fucking humanitarianism.I do respect free speech. And I agree with Musk on a lot of things. But at the same time hes an asshole for the real world reasons stated.Also panel gaps matter as do fit and finish.
>>945671947I don't give a shit about the power or speed of the thing. It's not like Lamborghinis can't drive on residential streets because of its max hp. I'm talking about rules of the road. Using crosswalks, not crossing at weird spots in the middle of traffic, that kind of thing. It's rare where I live. I ride a motorcycle and I don't just pop up out of the bushes next to Kohl's and head out into the street. I don't ride in the crosswalk or on the sidewalk when the light turns red.
>>945672255No problem. 4chan is 4chan.That's odd. Usually manufacturers try to save every penny and barely meet the spec.My curiosity is now satisfied.Thanks friend!
>>945663067Should have bought a rear hub dummy.
>>945672375>The fine print says FSD betaYeah but other brands like Mercedes don't say that and they still can't handle human situations. The difference is Mercedes is covering all damages caused by FSD failures.>Also fuck Tesla cars and fuck Elon Musk>but not for the reasons you'd expectSame, but not for your reasons either. Dude's a liar and a grifter. He's never able to follow up on his promises and most of his wealth is from hype over vaporware. Tesla's FSD is still at level 2, but he won't admit it.
>>945672375>Zero fucking humanitarianism.i love musk now.
>>945672249okay, lets throw an extreme example for car dominate cultures but a daily occurrence in bike dominate countries.a disregard for paint on the road, most paint is spaced for cars, bikers put multiple bikes inside one painted lane, you can see this in india and china multiple cars inside one painted lane, straddling lanes. i would not call that good driving, nor would i want a computer to disregard rules or laws because its human counter parts are criminals.i guess my major issue is the lack of enforcement against cyclist, from helmet laws to basic rules of the road.
>>945668002You just don't understand because you are a bigot, transphobe, and naziMAPs are real stop being a nazi
