How is America losing to iran
Iran has already lost the war, dipshit. Right now we are deciding whether or not to completely wipe them off the map or not.
>>947791839In asymmetrical warfare the lowest funded group usually wins because of bloat and corruption just like Vietnam, so think of America always losing these kinds of wars because it's always an unwinnable 2 fronted war against itself .The same has been witnessed in Europe and China wars that tend to lose to lower funded enemies .
>>947791999I dunno where you live but Americans consider it a loss of attrition for many years to come . The war isn't gonna end for many years and the US will be losing just like Vietnam .
>>947791999>we're winning>send help
America looses wars because of “rules of engagement” and other such political nonsense. Loss of support by the people. No clear objectives. Lack of brutality or ability of the populace to accept the brutality of war etc. Trump doesn’t really strike me as a typical politician president who gives a fuck about all that. He just likes to win. His objective is not to win the war, it’s to annihilate Irans ability to do anything outside their borders, cripple their ability to make nuclear weapons, destroy their ballistic missile production and bankrupt their economy/ ability to fund the IRGC.Those objectives are nearly met.
>>947793241Stop it Charlie Kirk told me before he died this was a Trump strongholdYou stop it right now
>>947794201I mean, that's kind of winning the war. Your enemy isn't supposed to rebuild. If they do, you failed your mission. i.e. Japan, Iraq
>>947794201Trump just takes orders from his masters in Israel. Americans will continue to spend billions, lose their equipment, and their lives until Israel is satisfied.
Iran is winning because America is currently being ran by a fucking moron with shit for brains
>>947794201it doesn't matter muslims will still flood the world . The entire point of the war. Iran won already . Bin laden and Iraq won decades ago. Americans say this and know when they're beat . Even the absolute stupidest don't believe fake news it's too unrealistic
>>947791839No purpose or plan, rooted in the Republican rejection of information and expertise. It's why Hegseth is firing generals. He doesn't understand that career officers with combat experience know more about fighting was than he or Trump.
>>947794201America is laying for its mass support of Islam in the 90s.
>>947795223Those generals bought into Galulan tactics hook, line and sinker. Theyre why the US lost in Afghanistan.
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>>947791839Another cope thread?
>>947791839Because China is waging a proxy war with the US through Iran to gauge their military strength. Iran is literally setting the stage for them taking Taiwan.
>>947792186That's not how Vietnam happened at all but your take is still better than what most people know about the war.
>>947792211>I know what Americans thinkYou can barely even type in English. Nobody in America even cares about the war or any war past the first week. News cycle has moved on. Larp job fail.
>>947791839Trump and Hegseth are idiots.
>>947798331>China is waging a proxy war that was started by the US a few weeks ago>TaiwanThe amount of US military assets for Iran is nowhere near what it would be for a Taiwan invasion.Jesus Christ, watching people talk about this shit is painful. They don't even know first day shit. It's like discussing gun control and the person thinks AR stands for assault rifle.
>>947792186That's a hilarious way to remind people that America ties its hands behind its back just for the idea of playing nice Imagine if they truly were as careless as a country thay doesn't treat its own people as human.
You do understand that the US could completely wipe Iran off the map if they wanted to right? They could destroy all of their power and oil factories, They could drop MOABs and firebombs on every corner of every city, but millions of innocent civilians would die, and clearly that isn't the goal. You think if Iran had the ability to attack the USA on their soil that they would try and spare civilians?
>>947791839They anticipated Iranians would rise up to overthrow the regime, which didn't happen. They severely underestimated Iranian will to resist. Every day is another billion dollars. The Iranians have taken far more casualties, but this isn't a war of attrition for them. I'm no fan of the regime but there's no way the US can salvage this fuckup. They've alienated allies and pushed ME friendlies into the line of fire. I won't even try to imagine the eventual blowback. And for what?
>>947798734I think there's alot of truth in this, but kinda missing a key point for me.I think they waited too long, were way too slow on the trigger. The iranian government killed 45k people, the people who were protesting and calling for regime change. Those were the people who needed to be armed and would of risen up. People are not all the same, a small fraction of people have the balls/agency to act, even smaller fraction in a naturally submissive/weak minded ethnic group. Waiting so long allowed the dictatorship to mow the tall grass. If they had air dropped weapons to the protestors, and began hitting military targets like a month earlier I think it's likely there would already be a complete regime change by now.
>>947791839you'd have to be genuinely retarded to think they arethey do nothing but posts memes and ai slop
>>947794201Trump isn't your typical President which is why he's so bad and ill equipped at his job.
>>947791839Imagine thinking that this is real. Imagine thinking that the language that they're using on images and speaking in the Iranian war room is English.
>>947794201/ThreadVirtually every war since WW2 has been decided by rules of engagement in some manner. When one side pulls punches and the other not only doesn't pull punches, they bring a knife and yet the one pulling punches is still fucking them up, it's telling.Western countries have the ability to completely flatten the majority of the planet with exceptions of nuclear states. The only thing stopping that is bureaucratics, the same bureaucratics that are an unelected elite that will keep their family away from the wars where their rules get men and women killed.
>>947799924>When one side pulls punches and the other not only doesn't pull punchesIf you notice, Iranians during this conflict have been following a tit-for-tat policy fairly consistently.You want to be a nigger and target their power plants, their water purification facilities?They're gonna do the same to the gulf states. Destroy a few desalination plants, millions of people in UAE and Saudi Arabia will be without water in just about two weeks.Want to target their oil production? They'll do the the same and assrape the entire world for a dozen years or more.They could do any of this but they're not because they don't want to escalate. If you escalate, you might kill them but they'll hit back just as hard before they go.
>>947801105>Iranians during this conflict have been following a tit-for-tat policy fairly consistently>If you escalate, you might kill them but they'll hit back just as hard before they goHow many leaders have they killed? Any sort of important people?
>>947801229Given that the Islamic Republic hasn't collapsed, do you think any of their dead officials were all that important? Larijani especially was a huge score, but nothing has really changed other than the US looking so impotent even their leader is having a tantrum and openly threatening to commit war crimes.
>>947791999>We're completely fucking up and making enemies with Iran because nettenyahoo doesn't like them while destabilizing world oil supply and fucking literally everyone >We'Re WiNnInGLolLmao even
>>947801105The only reason they're able to hit back is because of ROE.Remove all ROE and every city they think anyone important is in is flattened. Anywhere they launch a missile or drone from is a crater.Iran is able to cause damage because bureaucrats are holding the US back. Because the US President, the generals and soldiers will be prosecuted for some bullshit rule that puts their life at risk.The entire purpose of this war is precisely because of bureaucrats. Iran wants to build nuclear weapons, they don't have bureaucrats and as such, the full extent of control and damage a nuclear state can produce would become a reality outside of a world war.If Iran gets a nuclear weapon it'll be bad because they have no ROE holding them back.
>>947801641>bureaucrats are holding the US back'Cause who wants that? Why woukd we want a group of representatives of thr people to have any say in what yhe president decides to spend their money on, like an endless war. Lordy knows the missile makers are low on funds, so we gotta ise that old tech and upgrade to kill the towel heads with the other oil.
>>947794201We have to let sovereign countries operate how they want to operate Iran has literally never enriched for weaponizationThey've been enriching for energy production for decades and that's all they care about Bibi can get fucked
>>947795223>rooted in the Republican rejection of information and expertiseSee the problem with most idiots like yourself is that you've completely bought into the red vs blue political show. If you think any of this is related to "information and expertise" then you're not smart enough to have an opinion in the first place.
>>947791839Trump agreed to attack them for a large payout from izreelNo strategy, no nothing, just quid pro quo like every other president doing every other bullshit for the last half century
>>947801814>Iran has literally never enriched for weaponization>They've been enriching for energy production for decades and that's all they care aboutLies. Iran admitted they have 460 kg of 60% enriched uranium, which has no peaceful use. They also told negotiators that's enough to make 11 nukes with a little more refinement.Energy production only requires about 20% enrichment.
>>947801869>Trump agreed to attack them for a large payout from izreel No. Trump agreed to attack them because they have the Epstein files as blackmail to force him to do whatever they want him to
>>947801229Leaders? None. I was talking about hitting vital infrastructure. If you hit theirs, they can hit their neighbors', maybe even Israel's.>>947801641>The only reason they're able to hit back is because of ROE.>Remove all ROE and every city they think anyone important is in is flattened. Anywhere they launch a missile or drone from is a crater.Oh? You're able to hit everywhere at once huh? My mistake big boy, didn't realize it's only a piece of paper holding you guys back. You saw that vid of Trump as Thanos snapping his fingers and thought it was real didn't you? Cute.
>>947791839Yawn. Keep chocking on that cope juice, brownoid.
>>947802307This.What are Kool aid are the bots/shills drinking to actually believe Iran can defeat the entire US military.Politics aside that's just delusional.
>>947791839They arent. I live in america and we have yet to get bombed by Iran
>>947802123Hahaha keep dying on that hill, we love how much it isnt helping democrats secure seats for the midterms.
>>947802611Both parties work together behind closed door I don't buy it anymore.
>>947802611>I proudly vote for pedophilesAverage Republican
>>947802611>>947802707You aren't even American brownoid shill.Focus on your own politics.
>>947802707Still waiting for proof of any of your claims. Its been 9 years and trump is still twisting your panties in a knot. Who wants to vote for a bunch of pussies with nothing but accusations?
>>947802748Shut the fuck up faggot and learn to follow cues
>>947802679Im glad you finally grew up. Dont talk to me about partisan faggery.
>>947802796>Jheet knows how to use inspect element
>>947802807I didn't lol.You having a stroke?
>>947802821Nice cope, its a screenshot on a cell phone as you can clearly see. Stay mad i called you out for being a fucking jew though, always good for a laugh.
>>947802836You said both parties are at fault because i mentioned the democrats, dont insert yourself into what is obviously rage b8 for the trump obsessed homosexual.
>>947791839Because their commander in chief is a colossal mega paedophile that only took action as a distraction from this fact!
BILLIONS IN DEBT from a few lawmakers receiving millions>hang the traitors
>>947802788It's in the Epstein files. Go read them and then try to invent a few reasons why perpetrators were redacted when victims were not and why Trump's administration is refusing to release millions of files.
>>947802845>The JoozWell know we know you're a smoldering Muslim.>>947802860What do you mean?
>>947802925fucking jooz >always crying anti-semitism, never arguing the point>Kanye was right
>>947802565We're not talking about traditional defeat on a goddamn battlefield. No one is doubting American military superiority but you guys keep comparing KIA and talking about the rules, but the rules aren't what's restraining the US and 3 Indochina wars and USSR and NATO experiences in Afghanistan have shown that military superiority means shit if you can't use it without becoming a pariah state. Look at the big picture. When this shit started, Trump said it'd last 4-5 weeks. Most of Iran's senior leadership in February is dead, but the war goes on. Attack civilian infrastructure and you create a humanitarian crisis to address a response to your own aggression. Put soldiers on the ground and you get sucked into a guerilla war the American public won't stomach for long, while adding even more to the national debt. The war has been a mistake.
>>947803326Ironically Israel is more white than Iran.Yet here you are shilling for Muslims lmao.
>>947791839It's not so much that America are losing to Iran, rather America is destroying their global reputation in a pointless stalemate against Iran
>>947803393Yeah but the same argument can be applied to Russia's war against Ukraine, yet none of the online discussion even cares about that conflict anymore.So you're either arguing about optics or politics, which is it?
>>947803401so you're just assuming that I'm a white supremacist? >fucking retarded joo
>>947803543Unless you're a brown white supremacist, i.e. your average /pol/tard.
>>947802611>>947802860Are you stupid? I'm not dying on any hill dipshit, it's just the cold truth of the matter. Do you really think there aren't powerful people of both colors all throughout that list? Are you that naive to think one or the other are the "good ones"? Israel controls virtually every high level politician in the US, mostly through blackmail and bribery, but especially blackmail. That's the reason no names have come out yet, the list is leverage. Trump attacked Iran because Israel started shit as usual and called on their reliable and enslaved attack dog known as the United States of America. That simple retard.
>>947802924>they literally showrd us proof.People much more capable of addressing this issue than some random screeching faggot on 4chan (you) are doing their due diligence. Unless suddenly you believe that Trump himself is pulling pages from a manuscript and offering them up as b8, which is fully hilarious and retarded.
>>947803730>cartwheel logic>its that simpleHaha, nah dude, youre worried about the same dumb shit internet fags have been since the 90s. Its 2026 homie, conspiracies never turn out the way you want them to.
>>947803436Iran is the "new thing" anon, nobody cares or truly cared about the ukraine to begin with. But even a reddit spacing signature faggot like yourself understands that.
>>947791839They aren't. idk why people think lack of total capitulation in 1 week is some how "defeat"....Anyway, its an Israeli war anyway so who cares. I hope Iran fucks up Dimona. I wish Iran had actually made nukes though. Norks did it right, nukes first, everything else second.
>>947803808that conspiracy about elites raping and eating children sure was wrong wasn't it
>>947803436That's a good analogy. Russians and Americans have quite a bit in common. Christ, Vance is in Hungary right now trying to gin up support for Putin's bitch Orban. Look at how Russia has proceeded. What was advertised as being a short operation is in its 4th year. Russia is a nuclear power and Ukraine is not but international pressure has left Russia as a villain outside of BRICS nations and compromised Americans. With Iran, it's optics, politics, and the need for Iran's oil. All Iran has to do is persevere and they win, no matter the size of the US military. BTW-sorry for not fully explaining myself but I'm trying not to get "tldr".
>>947803841Reddit spacing isn't a real thing newfag.>>947804119Putinism is the same everywhere.>Oligarchs>Postmodern nationalism>Fracturing international alliances>Increase dependency on China
>>947804168I agree. I'm not pro-Netanyahu, but look to the Kremlin if you want to see who is benefitting from this decline in American standing as well as revenge for US support of Ukraine. With that, I am going to bed. Thanks to all for such a non-4Chan "ywnbaw" discussion. I enjoyed it.
>>947803564classic joo move. Now we're arguing about 'supremacist' instead of the point> I hope Iran thoroughly rapes the fuck out of Israel
>>947803564>>947805149
>>947803808>cartwheel logicIsrael ran a child trafficking network to get blackmail on powerful people. Exactly how is this a "cartwheel"? Seems pretty fuckin straightforward.>the same dumb shit internet fags have been since the 90sHmm it's almost like there were people that didn't just trust whatever the government or the "elite" told them to. Almost like those people knew that many powerful people were up to no good. Almost like they weren't braindead manipulated cattle like you clearly are.>conspiracies never turn out the way you want them to.Idk man, I could give you a pretty good list of conspiracies that ended up getting exposed and turned out exactly as we wanted them to. I mean we're living through a couple of the biggest ones right now in fact, with the whole elite child trafficking network, and the one about Israel more or less controlling the US. Both of which have been "crackpot" conspiracy theories since at least the 70s.>tldr; try harder rabbi
>>947803779So why haven't they released all the files? Why are the names of pedophiles being redacted?
>>947806089Pam Bondi was thinking, if she put everyone involved in prison, the whole system would collapse. Then some mind reader accidentally wrote that she said that out loud, but she never did, that was a lie. She was only thinking it.
Americans can’t tolerate 2 cents more on gas
>>947803971This, it's a petulant child's idea of conflict. Like any other leftist opinion it's worthless at best. If we turn Iran into a crater leftists will cry and cry and cry and cry for the Muslims that want their gay asses hung. If we pull out tomorrow theyll laugh and say we lost. The only leftist idea of a win is free room and board at the taxpayer's expense.
>>947791839Everyone knows, historically, that Iran is the worst country to war with because it would result in a very long, protracted war with a ton of money spent and no real end game strategy. Kind of like Afghanistan and Iraq which the USA seems to have learned absolutely nothing from.... other than they can make trillions of dollars waging protracted wars with no end game in sight. Defense contractors love this one trick.
