Do you guys ever like to go through YouTube and watch con and cosplay fandom videos from before the 2010's?It's a hobby of mine. It makes me sad.https://youtu.be/vc2Zj1C_uKY
conventions were fun before they were filled with normalfags and twitchfags meanwhile anime expo is so pozzed even eceleb retards like hasanabi go now
>>10866338AnimeExpo has been unenjoyable shit for a while. No fun chill panels, all miserable consoomertard bullshit. It's simply too big and not focused on the fans.DragonCon still manages to hold a decent experience even though it's massive, but I guess it's not as big as AX
>>10866338you didn't like the hentai corner?it's the only convention in america where you can buy smut!!
>>10866343I've been to multiple smaller cons (few thousand people). I remember them selling hentai in most of them, it's just in a covered off booth where they ask you for your ID before coming in.
>>10866322>2006jesus my brain can't even fathom people being adult and out there at conventions cosplaying back then
>>10866349The earliest con I went to was probably 05 or so. Some tiny con at Oklahoma University campus. We've all come so far.
>>10866340Expo is in the name. It's more of trade show than a BFFF con
>>10866322https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_JTgzat2qw&t=960sclassic Usagi Kou from 2004
>>10866383Is that Johnny Otaku? Well known creeper back in the day.
>>10866383OP here (not like it matters, really), thanks.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x637xr3
YouTube lets you filter by date to easily find videos:https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=anime+expo+before%3A2010
>>10866338>normalfagsNo YOU are the normalfag
>>10866419oh shit didnt know that, thanks anon!
There's something very pure about 90s/early 2000s anime cons. Not a lot of people outside of Japan even knew what anime was back then and anime fans were just excited to see other people who liked the same stuff. Cosplays werent that great mostly because people were more interested in dressing up to show their fandom than to impress people.
>>10866322I think I still have some of those videos back when Niconico tried to launch an English version.
>>10866322I was always a little jealous of the people who could be so openly cringe. To this day is somebody is more attractive than a 6 I doubt their interest in the anime/manga medium.
>>10866322You have to go way back like 2005 and older to at least find some actual fun and good moments and times at anime conventions. As soon as people started watching videos about anime cons from Youtube then that was the moment normies and e-celebs made it a no-fun allowed zone, but the past few years before covid made it consoomer marketplace where real anime fans left. Covid put the final nail in the coffin where to this day you can find people still wearing face masks.
>>10866436Exactly. It was pretty cool. And before streaming, people actually watched a lot of anime at conventions since it was so hard to find anime to watch back then
>>10868702It's honestly hilarious (and pathetic) to people watch in the airport and congoers are immediately identifiable when they're the only people masking up
>>10866322Absolutely. It's funny watching skits but there was a couple famous ones I remember that would not be able to be performed now though. Sucks.
>>10868713The messed up thing is that this mask up bullshit is now etched into the minds of people forever no matter if covid is gone for good.
>>10866395Absolutely love seeing all this historic footage of conventions from decades past. Managed to find news footage of one by chance that took place in London in 1957: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBAwkB-QP1Q It was part of this international sci-fi club/travelling convention called Worldcon, that started out so long ago that there were con dates that were cancelled due to the war. It's still going on today, with this year's convention taking place in China.There's a whole bunch of bids for conventions around the world, often being placed several years in advance: https://www.worldcon.org/worldcon-bids/ I kinda wanna live to see the convention taking place in Minneapolis in 2073 desu.
>>10866322Seeing myself in old con videos being interviewed from 2010s There was such a glimmer in my eye now I just feel dead.
>>10868713Facetuning Asians who don't wanna be caught and trannies.>it's for our healthFucking lmao
>>10869319Like a year and a half ago when this was more relevant (though friendly reminder that almost everyone outside mentally ill con staffers were already in the "getting over it" stage), we had posts all the time where folks would straight up admit they love masks because it lets them hide their ugliness>Implying you can't just do it cause you want to>Implying that means everyone else has to submitMost interdasting, that.
>>10869321>it lets them hide their uglinessMe! I have PCOS so it's nice not having to tweeze my face/neck for 30 minutes because I need to go to the store.I wish it was seen as common courtesy to mask on public transportation/planes though. Every time I've been sick in my adult life it's been because of travel. I see bitches at the airport who don't even wash their fucking hands anymore.
>>10866340My first con was AX in 2007, everyone says that was a shit year but I wasn't aware of most of the problems and had a blast because it was my first time seeing so many anime fans in one place and so much stuff to buy. Most of the cosplays were still anime characters, and anime hadn't gotten mainstream enough to attract a bunch of normie attendees.I'm not sure what year was the turning point when western stuff started to invade in a big way, maybe when Homestuck got popular?
>>10866322Last convention i went was (i think) on 1999.
>>10866349Adults always have used costumes in private parties.
>>10866338Nerd conventions were super boring, they became fun when more people started to come in, although it also brought chaos.
>>10866436Yeah because there was no internet you would rarely meet someone who liked the same outside of your small group of friends.
>>10870880homestuck and hetalia. two of the worst things to happen to cons outside jessica nigri and yaya han.
>>10870880>2007U-u-ua-uaU-u-ua-ua-a-aU-u-ua-uaU-u-ua-ua-a-a
I remember back in '08 there was this one video from a Mexican con where some guy in Grimmjow garb was dancing to Queen's "I want to break free." I've tried to find it multiple times with no avail.Anyways here's some Bleachfags in Walmart:https://youtu.be/r05_DIVNRMk
>>10871446>Bleachfags in WalmartThese are some of my favorite videos to hunt down. Cosplayers dicking around in public places, back when they were just filming themselves having fun with friends and not trying to make a "vlog" out of it. Pure soul.Here's some normalfag encountering cosplayers in 2004: https://youtu.be/iSR-vCORizI
Do you get cringe cosplayers anymore?They hay have been cringy but they had SOVL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85y-N5GJa9g
https://youtu.be/gT1w4iOEi1whttps://youtu.be/SW2bW1Vp5l4
Here's a playlist, mix of old anime cons. Interested to know any old anime cons from other countries I can add. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_xetnbrvGz1AEvXw6oPtp4XzGbfZNw4h
Remember the old edgelord interviewers at cons who would go just to make fun of people and sexually harass the female cosplayers?https://vimeo.com/48843728
MAGFest 2.0 "documentary", 2003. Before the con was infested with furries/trannies 10 years later. - https://youtu.be/9St884hRSzY
I've been going to cons for almost two decades now, sometimes I look up old cons that don't exist anymore on YouTube and look through old shakey footage taken on flip phones.My favorite thing about it is finding old snapshots of myself from those cons. I recently found a video of my wife and I interacting with each other about a decade before we even started dating. it was something cute to show her at our anniversary.
>>10874909hope he got banned from attending at cons
i miss old cons, but maybe that was because of all the shotacons who used to hug me too much
>>10874909What's the lore on "that dude"?
>>10874991that's just kassam G, he was a YouTuber who did shitpost interviews and has been coasting off making the epic rap battles of history channel.
>>10874909I can't watch that how am I supposed to look at it did he really say that lol
>>10866383I wondered if this documentary would just get a handful of random unknown cosplayers (which there are a handful), but they actually pulled the founder of Anime Expo, chairman of Anime Weekend Atlanta, and a bunch of other people who seem pretty dedicated to the scene. I'm actually impressed with how much effort was put into this.
>>10875457Yes its truehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-ooo9uAnjUHe deleted it from his main channel but there are re uploadsWorst is the Wonder Woman cosplayer >I’m going to find some chicks with some bigger tits.
>>10874909>>10874983That's KassemG, OG youtuber. He's not a random going up and talking to these women unscripted. They're in on the bit.
Is there anything obvious I can look up for more of these? I love these types of videos, I'm thirsting for more.
>>10866322What do people even do at cons?
>>10871730I quote this video far too often."Nya? Nya! Burn the witch!">>10874979literal anime moment>>10879509hang around with friends and be cringe on purpose where it's not gonna bother anyonethat said i haven't been able to go to cons since the rona started because i've got a close family member integral to my current situation that i can't take chances with and also money's been tighti'm hoping at least one of these things turns a corner soon and either family member gets stable or i get some extra pocket money somehow because god i miss just people watching at cons
>>10866349Think about it again- those people were born before 1988 and were effectively at least 90s kids. Think about growing up in the 90s with some exposure to 80s and 90s anime and Japanese games. It would be enough of an explanation.
>>10879480>youtube>search 'your local con' before:2010>find soul (formerly cringe)
https://www.youtube.com/@AnimeConsTV/videosAnimecons.com started around 2009, but their content has the feel of the early 2000s. Even their current videos feel that old, which is impressive.
Conventions were shit back thenNow that anime is for normies there are actually hot girls who wear cosplayAll uggos before 2016
>>10877189Not all of them a /cgl/ tripfag confirmed he just randomly asked her
>>10881693there were hot girls back then all the same, if anything they were more approachable without social media and lockdowns making everyone socially retarded
>>10881737/cgl/ tripfags I couldn't imagine anyone more deranged>>10881693Conventions have gotten more obese and disgusting. I'm looking at all my old pics and damn most people used to be pretty skinny in shitty cosplay.
>>10866340Dcon being a bit of everything means no one thing completely takes over and pushes its agenda. As an example, most anime cons are slowly being consumed by crunchyroll and its push to be some sort of streaming monopoly even though it's fucking trash (not helped by zoomers not knowing how fucking torrents work). This keeps it from being too heavily corporatized. There's also the fact that it's generally known, and pushed, as being a more adult oriented con, especially at night. This causes mass market bullshit to shy away a bit.AWA used to be this way as well, as it was basically anime Dcon, but it's slowly been skewing more and more towards bland PG13 consumerist shit. Though, at least it still allows 18+ stuff unlike many anime cons that have been cracking down and not allowing it AT ALL. But I assume it won't probably in '24 or '25.West coast cons are way far gone. It's nothing but thots in it for the hustle and consumer shit.
>>10882682Remember when hot girls used to cosplay because they wanted attention or just wanted to have fun? Now it's always about fucking money. Like every goddamn moderately attractive girl is just pandering some shit to make a quick buck. It's like they replaced our fans with whores.
>>10866420are you gatekeeping? or have something specific to declare, anon?
>>10870880the internet bandwidth had reached a saturation point to allow memery circulation at a rate that wasn't really possible before. around 2005 is when regular people started gaining fast 1mps DSL service in any serious number, and this was pre-3G until about 2007, so you weren't seeing shit until you found a wire. No public place were offering their own wifi with any regularity, almost no phones even offered it as an option.>>10870909homestuck maybe, but there were plenty of hetalia-types in japan, it was just the references were more understandable to the internationals in that one.>>10881686people who've been doing cons since before 2009 still kind of sideeye animecons.com>>10882704>but it's slowly been skewing more and more towards bland PG13 consumerist shit.based on what? if its still offering the adult content, what are you seeing? AWA's attendance base is noticably older than most other anime cons, but not quite as old as most general scifi cons.
>>10870880AX2007 was death knell. The Con WAS fun (if there with friends), but it was one of the shittiest years in comparison to the previous 10 years. Things started getting more and more commerical/industry controlled every since 03. 2002 was the last time a fansub room was allowed. Then 2008 it moved to LACC, and it was literally dead, soul wise. I've been to AX since on and off from 2008-2023 (more off than on)...it's big, it's a little more organized...but the con has absolutely no soul to it anymore.I prefer smaller cons now, and especially the ones that aren't super well known.
>>10882767The weird part about AX to me is the cosplay. It's basically either imported "pros" or thots peddling social media. Regular fans make up a miniscule percentage of con goers. Even the attendees are commercialized which is wild.
>>10866322The level of anxiety on the planet has increased to fairly extreme levels.Anything from before ~2013 will feel far clamer, more easy going.This is temporary as humanity experiences a shift, and a release of old, dark energy. It's actually a good sing. but don't expect things to feel similar to that time again any time soon.
>>10866322no i don't hate myself
>>10871730>Do you get cringe cosplayers anymore?not really we tend to get more freakshow type people instead of the cringe sort from the early 2000's
>>10882787There really needs to be a con for the geeks again, where the normies don't bother to tread. ALA was good for this, until they moved to Long Beach and are trying to get too big for their britches.
>>10866343Why do you need to buy smut? I can't imagine wanting to jack off to the same physical doujin over. Like do just like the prevented thrill of having to hide it when people come over or what?
>>10882804Not that guy but I just like to have physical media from artists I like, even if it's porn. If you are in my house you know I'm an anime pervert so I don't hide anything.>>10882706Back before like 2010 if you saw a girl at a con you could say for sure she had sincere interest in the dumb shit you liked. Now it's just a minefield of casual/clout fans. I'm relieved to be old enough to have socialized with those girls/dated a few before I had to worry about that stuff.
>>10882804most of my hentai doujins have normal covers and can just be left out, no one would know unless they opened the book. but mostly i just like having hard copies.
>>10882800>i want another one year financial disaster of a con againlol cope, the normies/casual attendees you despise are the lifeblood of cons
>>10883755and that's a bad thing sapping the soul for profits
>>10884370Then vote socialist you onionboy
>>10884382because the only people against over commercialization are socialist sound like you need a paddling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8yuFmJVwtY
>>10871728>black mageholy shit that's accessing some ancient memories, what was that comic called again?
>>108860898-bit theater!!!! i remembered!!!https://www.nuklearpower.com/2001/03/02/episode-001-were-going-where/
>>10866322I use to be a big fan of Tank9 and his Industrial Dancing at Anime Con videos. These were some of my favorite videos back in the day because it blended a lot of things I was into.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gp-gHXEFy4
>>10866322Those 2010's videos hit extra hard when you see them as teenagers running around cosplaying, but then their latest videos on their channels are them with their kids.
>>10889130>be me>2010>teenager running around cosplaying>2023>adult running around cosplaying>inb4 2036>walking with a cane around cosplayingWhat went wrong bros?
>>10866322I have a a livestream of AX11 saved back when Nico Nico attempted an English version.
>>10890464Can you post that online if possible? I'd love to see that!
>>10866322I like searching up old websites and forums on waybackmachine and sometimes you're lucky enough to have pictures saved or articles discussing what happened at the cons.This cosplay is from 1999 I believe.
>>10866322I found this website with a wealth of older cosplay photos. It makes me depressed looking back,https://www.washu.org/cosplay/index.html
>>10895055Just short of 20 years since OP promised to deliver, but I have faith. Any day now. Two more weeks
>>10868702>>10868713I literally work in a hospital and it's hilarious how there's always more mask wearers at cons then there are in a medical setting. Mostly it's a mix of uglies trying to cover up their faces, and trannies/femboys hiding their adams apples and jawbones with uwu catboy masks
>>10868702>>10868713I've never been but I always see/saw people posting about frequently getting very sick after going to cons, even before covid. Were these people unlucky, exaggerating or just making out with 20+ people?
>>10896159"con crud" was always a thing, any gathering of hundreds of people in a tiny room is going to spread whatever anyone brought in. back in the day usually it was just a cold/flu bug or something. i honestly think a reason cons keep doing "covid" measures like masking is because while they didn't actually do much for covid, they DID dramatically reduce con crud as a whole. i used to get sick every con, haven't been sick after a con since 2020.
>>10886446I used to watch the Tank9 videos fucking religiously. But then he stopped and even took down his channel. I'd love to know what happened to him.
Used to go to midwest cons around 2005, it was a very formative experience for me. I loved hanging out on the forums all year and chatting about nerd stuff. Then reality hit when the con actually came around, meeting up with the people and finding out literally nobody took it seriously and I was the only person looking for friends. I remember finding people on PictoChat. When I first tarted going, I was incapable of speaking to people, a dramatically introverted hikikomori with zero social skills (most attendees). After many years, I maxed out my social stat and I am still terrified of people, and people still don't want to be my friend when I try. If somebody was at a con, they were probably with a group to cut on expense. The con years were a lot of fun and I wish I was more outgoing back then, I could have networked more effectively. I never volunteered but I should have. An interesting trend was people who you would see at every con, even months later and hundreds of miles away. Everbody was a sperg and it was cool to not feel alone for a few days.
>>10866338lmao what the fuck does Hasan even know about anime ?
Probably the oldest surviving video footage of cosplayers. From WorldCon 1957.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBAwkB-QP1Q
>>10896585Apparently "watches" it. You should go into his channel and quiz him on it
>>10896410>I used to watch the Tank9 videos fucking religiously. >But then he stopped and even took down his channel. I'd love to know what happened to him.Interestingly enough, it was because of religion. Nearing the end of his YT career, he started dressing less alternatively before completely dropping the channel to focus on Christianity. He goes by Duy Luu now.
>>10866340>>10866338I prefer AX in the last half decade (sans covid years) because its truly a EXPO and not a CONVENTION now. It brings so many creators and japanese talent and getting to meet them is great.They should ban funko pop selling and signing though.
>>10896159unhealthy fat introverts who never go outside sitting in the sun waiting for 2 hours, being around a thousand people shoulder to shoulder, not drinking any water, downing shittiest cheapest vodka known to man, dancing for 2 hours on some kind of drug their friend of friend got them (note : they only do drugs twice a year at cons), sloppy blowjob the first man to take interest in them, then sleeping ass to face with 8 people in a run down motel for only 2 hours is a good recipe for getting sick fast.
>>10866322my wife sakura hartwono must be so haggard now
>>10866338Anime Expo has been utter dogshit since 2010.
>>10866349>tfw when 2004 was the first year I started going to anime cons and I remember hearing legendary stories of 80s/90s anime consIt was nice to be 19 back then.
>>10866340I miss when AX had movie rooms running for 24hours a day for the span of the con. Shit was a great. Get a lil lit, go to a shitty rave and then watch Castle of Caligostro at 4am. I do agree, normies have really fucked up the space. Retards shilling funkos and massive consoomer events. Last time I went to ACen it was still pretty fun, and ColossalCon East.
>>10868702>AX got shit for obeying CDC guidelines and removing their covid pre-check back in 2021(2?) >They quickly bent the knee and cobbeled together a checkpoint 2 weeks prior to the con >It was 2 shitty plastic tables with 2 poor SOBs who didn't even look at any paperwork and couldn't even stop you from entering
>>10883755ALA did just fine when it was near LAX, and Ontario, and low tier street traffic attendees didn't bother with it. The trash should stay at big cons, like AX.
>>10897846I also miss the video rooms, just a good place to relax if the con got too over whelming for a bit.>normieI wouldnt expect a normalFAGGOT nigger like yourself to truly get it though.>>10897847I literally just flashed a random webpage, imagine getting jabbed just for a con.
>>10897854>imagine getting jabbed just for a con.A friend of mine got all 4 boosters, plans on getting more, even though the year after he got them, hedeveloped both diabetes and type 4 super cancer. Not even making that up. I'm sure he had family genetic stuff to blame, but the pace at which it developed was kinda sus. Miss me with that shit.
>>10886446he's cute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_goSz4QqIfA
>>10897956she do got a cute lil body tho
>>10897956>cosplays as character known for her boobs>hates that someone took a boob shotI'm not saying she doesn't have a right to feel violated, But I AM also saying she doesn't have a right to feel violated.
>>10896585probably watched dbz and pokemon as a kid at most
>>10897956she's probably approaching 40 now, is fat, and has 2 kids with a husband she cheats on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBOrjPfC_p0
>>10866340Go to CWF and the Otaku parliamentary debates
>>10866338I saw that jackass running around in a fucking crowded ass part of the expo and every single one of us there wanted him dead
>>10871730>mfw I went to highschool with half of these people and was friends with a couple of them
>>10866322Normies on tiktok think anime conventions are their content creation spaces to walk around with microphones harassing people and make revenue off of people's cosplays. Even volunteering has invited people on over that only know of watching anime on Netflix and run a strict ship. You also have people showing off at the Go Army booths because they have never been to a con before. The Go Army booths should always be ignored and they are there to feed off egos to sign them up.
>>10881693Two 6/10 people getting together and nerdfucking was soulful. Idgaf about hot poser girls, I want autistic fujos and anime zealots.
>>10902280what if i'm hot and autistic?
>>10902338unlikely combo
>>10902280Love between two mid nerds is the most pure love. Most fujos are wife material.
>>10901128That's crazy, because this was one of the first cosplay cringe videos I found online, which felt like forever ago.So were they like that all the time or just at anime cons?>>10871730>Do you get cringe cosplayers anymore?I think the internet becoming more popular and there being cameras EVERYWHERE has caused people who are socially awkward to force themselves to be more self-aware. I also feel like it's been a transition from early 2000s "quirky" cringe to mostly infamous cosplayers becoming infamous for being genuinely bad people.
>>10898051what used to be a funny video is now a twitlonger and pseudo rape allegationwomen ruined cons
>>10880137>>10866349I am born in 1987.I've experienced conventions in the 2000's I am still singleAnd I am still mistaken as a teen/young adult because of how young I look right now that no one bats an eye whenever I fangasm with others. And yes, I've seen the laughing disbelief(and sometimes horror) on their faces when they ask and I told them when I was born.
>>10869318same. i saw a vid where i spotted myself carameldansen , wide eyed, carefree-not a care in the world...like that bitch didnt have debt and a dead end job ....take me me back.
>>10902719>So were they like that all the time or just at anime cons?I only knew 1-2 of them personally, the rest of the group were friends of friends. We were all a bunch of dorks, but not to that point on a regular basis. We didn't do that kind of stuff at school outside the "normal" 15 year olds cringe. I'd love if some con autist could confirm, but pretty sure that's at Nan Desu Con around 2007.
>>10871730I hate these people but I would've 100% been friends with these people and acting retarded with them if I'd met them when I was 13.
>>10866322https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh1g5BDnzHI
>>10868718Many of them should be an insane asylum soon....
>>10866322I've been doing similar things for anime club videos. Does anyone know if there are large enough portions of zoomers still like this for these kinds of things to exist?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnKJrUHeOos
>>10904834blogpost incomingZoomer here, went to sixth form (UK high school equiv) starting 2021. No there wasn't, everybody used to sit around on their phones, doomscrolling tiktok and snapchat. I had 2 friend groups, my old one of nerds who were cool enough to come out hiking at lunchtime with me, and I had a newer normie friend group of about 13 people who I tried in vein to make them go outside and it didn't work.It would be the middle of summer, beautiful weather, and they wouldn't even leave the dingy shitty room to go outside. Let alone organizing a genuine interest as a club or hobby group. By the late 2010s the energy that would of been poured into something fun in the 2000s like a anime club had all eroded. All energy poured into just looking at some shitty faggot phone. It got to the point that I started basically started feeling fucking sick being around everybody, I felt sick of the entire society. I ended up stumbling across a central resource library on the computers, 20 years and 1tb+ full of old school memories. Recordings from old sd digital cameras, 3mp photos. Some kids had spiky early 2000s hair, some had straightened windswept late 2000s hair. All of them were having 10x more fun than me, hanging out, having fun, smiling, joking. I had to walk back into reality from the pc seeing a bunch of people STARING AT THEIR FUCKING PHONES, barley acknowledging each other, doing nothing. It drove me to genuine despair.I would of loved an anime club, I would of loved friends passionate about anime, I would of loved being there with the people in the pictures and videos I saw in 2011, rather than here in some fucking technological dystopia. My older sister got me into anime, and attended the same school and anime was just as in vogue in the UK at the time as the USA, in the late 2000s and early 2010s.TLDR: Zoomers have invested all their energy into misery, not an anime club! All human happiness teenagers used to experience has been destroyed.
I am 20 now, and I still feel a terrible yearning for everything I saw, that I never had.I don't think many people have had my same experience, I saw a parallel reality in which the very buildings I walked looked much the same, but the people inside were so so different. What terrible pain this is
>>10905449yes, but don't be such a doomer, be the reason those zoomers look away from the screen and smile
>>10902951>And I am still mistaken as a teen/young adult because of how young I look right now that no one bats an eye whenever I fangasm with others.Please teach us your secret.
>>10866338Same thing happened to festivals too. Bonnaroo is full of feds and normies now. Burning man is literally rich trust fund kids and wanna be Terrance McKenna college STEM guys
>>10882704>West coast cons are way far gone. It's nothing but thots in it for the hustle and consumer shit.Fucking west coast grind culture takes everything fun and turns it into a side hustle. They can't just have fun for the sake of having fun...
There's some really good videos out there. The idea that fansubbers would actually meet up at con, that small, tucmed away forums that had groups of anime fans would meet up at con, people wpuld get together and actually watch anime and talk anime. I feel like every time I try to talk to anyone about anime at cons at parties or in panels and it just dies super quick.
>>10905605>I feel like every time I try to talk to anyone about anime at cons at parties or in panels and it just dies super quick.I won't deny the community feeling eroding over time, but I also think you can blame catalogs being much bigger than they once were. Back before 2010 the anime most people watched was stuff that was popular on /a/ from like 2005-2010, or things that were on Toonami. Now you have to connect over a niche within a niche and that makes having a long conversation hard unless you both have the same kind of autism (and when this happens it's still magical).
>>10866322My school anime club used to run a convention, one of the first in the state. It got shut down some time before I got there. When I was the president, I wanted to revive it but I lacked the capacity, however. Sometimes I go online to see old blogs where people talked about it and posted their pictures. It's in some early 2000s anime convention compilation videos on YouTube. I desire the earnestness of it all. It is strange to me how the time between when the last convention at my school ran and my first year of school is equivalent to the time between my first year of school and now. It felt like an ancient latent inheritance that I failed to dutifully revive. Now, my presence in the club history is approaching that same sort of horizon.
>>10896149What's up with the they/them types at cons using canes and wheelchairs? I can't be the only one seeing this pattern.
>>10905715some of them are simply fat and weak, but a lot of them claim munchie conditions like POTS. Needing to use a cane or wheelchair gives you oppression points the same way being a they/them does
>>10905715You're definitely not the only one to notice. The increase of young people with canes was obvious already, but only very recently did I see they're ALL semi-androgynous girls
>Tried to find photos/videos from my first con in 2008>One deviant Art account, and one lolcows thread about some now e-whore who went to it. There was photobucket albums floating around but I guess that's been purdged along with everything else. Still have my own photos at least. Man in retrospect it was a better time, felt like it was just "my fellow weirdos".
>>10905765Maybe you could post some of your photos?
I do that too, especially cons i've been to. It's weird when you see yourself/people you know in pictures/videos you don't didn't know existed.
>>10896682Absolutely ancient but I love it
Cosplay peaked at 2014/15.Does anyone know why?I have same feeling as OP, but instead of YT vids it is DeviantArt. Different time back then, when people used tumblr and watched Steven Universe.Also where do "tumblr-minded" people gather now a days? Twitter is just feels different, but I really don't know if there is any alternative
>>10866322kinowhen female cosplayers didnt throw a bikini/tight slut dress and a shitty wig on and call it cosplayid take furfags and weeaboos any day over zoomer and alpha faggots
>>10905715Because....They are handicapped in both body and mind
>>10906434>Does anyone know why?There are many factors in the mid 10s that made the internet a worse place for dorks. Streaming was getting big and the idea of turning your hobby into a hustle was gaining traction in every space. The gamergate tourist/electionfag combo brought all sorts of painfully unfunny/creative people to this site and the talented fled to have a social media presence instead.>Also where do "tumblr-minded" people gather now a days?Do you mean "fandom" people or "SJW" people? Fandom is straddled between tumblr/Twitter/tiktok where you can find screenshots of the other two on one of them, wokescolds are mostly on Twitter.
>>10905449> No there wasn't, everybody used to sit around on their phones, doomscrolling tiktok and snapchatI’m a few years older than you, and this absolutely rang true.
It's over. And women are to blame.
>>10907121women are literally in that video. hoes are not women, easy mistake to make. equally, simps are not men and both groups are to blame.
>>10905715I wonder if my generation will ever have a reckoning with the clear issues we have with pathological lying and attention. I have a disability that requires me to use mobility aids, and the number of times I see people you’re describing claiming they need them, but using them incorrectly or making blatantly false statements about their mental/physical health for attention is absolutely mind boggling. I don’t have an issue with “they/them” and I don’t have an issue with being disabled. But I do have a problem with how insanely common it is for people to treat a disability or marginalized status like some kind of immunity badge to avoid being called out for their shitty behavior, or to garner sympathy and leverage to speak on social issues that they would otherwise be told to stay in their lane about. Why are they also always white? Maybe I only notice it because I’m brown, but from what I’ve seen they’re always white and AFAB. Maybe it’s because that’s one of the few things you can do to garner oppression sympathy if you’re not poc? It’s just very odd and it’s almost like there’s a formula to this kind of thing.
>>10907136I was in charge of panels for a convention once, and we got a submission for one about disabilities. At first I felt like an ass for rejecting it (especially since there was something in the title like "Forgotten or "Ignored") but after reading this, I see it was definitely the right choice. Not only cause it's a hugbox with no relevance to anime but most attendees would have been fakers and attention whores anyway. I can say that definitively, because we had plenty of them show up anyway, and they're exactly as you're describing them
>>10907140AYRT I actually think a panel about disabilities in Anime/manga would be really cool. Disability rights are a very hot topic in Japan right now, and there are tons of anime characters who have disabilities. But a panel just about being disabled feels a bit out of place at a con? I’m not sure what the purpose would be?
>>10907143That was me going off memory, since I was *pretty* sure it wasn't about "Anime characters with disabilities". And it turns out, I still have access to the page. Sure enough...it's not>But a panel just about being disabled feels a bit out of place at a conIt's this, to the letter
>>10907143>Disability rights are a very hot topic in Japan right now, and there are tons of anime characters who have disabilities.I agree! I would go to a panel about anime characters with disabilities, I can't think of many off the top of my head, so I'd actually learn something at a pane like that.>But a panel just about being disabled feels a bit out of place at a con? I’m not sure what the purpose would be?I find it pointless because if you're a person with disabilities, you've probably already scanned the internet or talked with multiple professionals about your specific disability. Unless this presenter was a medical professional, I can't imagine what info they could provide that hasn't already been posted online.
>>10907121Normie women and the sad men who crave them. I will always white knight for 00s fujoshi.
>>10907136white afabs have the worlds biggest victim complexes and can't stand not being the biggest victim in the room, so they started picking out disabilities and microgenders to larp so they don't feel inferior when someone else is an actual minority.
>>10907208I mean it would be kinda cool to meet other people who are both into anime/manga and understand some of the struggle, but at the same time when half the room is attention seeking voyuers it loses its appeal. The only time I’ve met other people with disabilities in context like that and it went very well was actually through a program that helps people with disabilities get jobs/internships, and they actually vetted people’s eligibility to participate. It was there that I met an amputee who told me about another support group which apparently had so many cases of people pretending to be amputees to gain access to the space that they ultimately shut it down. Apparently, it’s pretty common for non-amputees to pretend to be amputees in order to form close relationships/friendships to either feed their fetish, or live vicariously as apparently some people are obsessed with losing a limb. The world is a very strange place.
>>10907409This. White amabs have a pretty big victim complex too, but tend to express it as rage where Afabs tend to take the “if you can’t beat them, join them” approach.
>>10907588I won't specify the disorder, but I have a pretty rare disability and not only are the majority of spaces for that disability usually dominated if not run by malingerers, most normal people who've heard of the disability think it's imaginary or exaggerated because the fakers are the most visible demographic. "Disabled" congoers are some of the most annoying because they'll actually get aggressive if they meet someone who actually has the disability, I assume either because it threatens their credibility if you contradict their depiction of it or because they don't want to risk losing any attention. It sucks because a disabled weeb networking panel would be kind of cool if actual disabled people showed up, but most of us know better than to even bother with "disability" panels anymore and ironically a lot of conventions aren't ADA compliant anyway. Excuse the blogpost this has just been in my mind and I was glad to see someone else mention it.
>Be me>Go to first con ever (Naka-Kon in like 2009>Enter the main hotel lobby>Bump into kigurumis of Digimon and trainers like Matt and Tai>Im_Home.jpg>Singing "Snake Eater" with other Snakes, MGS characters in the lobby at like 3AM.I've been chasing that high ever since.
>>10907667This reminds me of the way pretendians treat actual Native Americans. Also I assume you’re talking about POTS/EDS? For some reason, that’s the disability of choice for fakers, maybe because it’s notoriously difficult to diagnose so they take advantage of the vagueness. I legit feel bad for people who have them. It’s the disability equivalent of having gluten intolerance from celiac. No one believes the people who do have it because of how commonly people fake it for attention or to just be difficult at a restaurant. I swear everyone who’s ever had a knee ache thinks they have EDS these days.
>>10905449I wish you had saved all those images what a goldmine. I’m sorry about your experience. I’m 30 and I hate the phone thing. I lay in bed with my husband and instead of creating funny memories it’s just scrolling until sleep time. I miss how life used to be before everyone had a smartphone it was truly amazing for social gatherings of all kinds.
>>10907777NTA but I have EDS. At a convention, someone who meets all the stereotypes was so up my ass about trying to tell me that they also had EDS. They explained that they thought didn’t have any of the hypermobility or dislocations they knew they had Eds because their joints hurt. Talked about how they need braces and supports and went on and on about how inaccessible everything is to disabled people, and how their doctors don’t believe them about how they’re in “pain all the time” from their joints. Never mind that they probably have joint pain cause they’re 200+ pounds overweight, and have none of the other symptoms of EDS. Idk when EdS became such a hot commodity but I think it has something to do with overweight people looking to blame their pain on something that isn’t in so directly in their control. Because being overweight makes your EDS 20x worse, and most people with an actual diagnosis of EDS tend to be on the thinner side in my experience, probably because joint pain is way worse with even just 5 pounds of extra weight. The biggest red flag to me is people who make their “disability” their whole personality and bring it up every 3rd word, especially if it’s in a space where they might get clout. Not always, but most of the people I know who are actually disabled don’t hyper fixate on it or feel the need to constantly remind everyone of how marginalized they are. It’s so cringe.
>>10905517>Burning man is literally rich trust fund kids and wanna be Terrance McKenna college STEM guysI think that's just music festivals in general, not just Burning Man
>>10907685that first con experience is unreal>be me, 15>first con (mecha-con 2006)>mom takes me and my sister three hours away >get to mom's friend's house around noon on friday, cant get her to end pleasantries fast enough>get to con and meet up with socially awkward gf and best friend>we are all cosplaying, my mom bought FMA earrings she thought were neat>first time i ever felt like not a complete spaz in my lifeif i could relive that weekend just one more time i would give anything.
>Be nerd who dabbles in weeb shit from time to time but without connections to the scene.>Wonder why dyed hair zoomer dysgenics run around with canes all the time out of nowhere. Probably just coincidence.>Read this thread.>Its the newest victim fashion.>Cant trust anyone anymore.For me anime never stopped to be the 90's-00's kind because I got disconnected by life so long ago but when I get snapshots like this thread of how fucked the current situation is it makes me sick with dread.I want the time back when being a nerd or alternative wasnt the codeword for being a manipulative bpd psychopath whose biggest hobby is to enforce their self victimized marketing onto the world in an endless stream of collecting and categorizing their play pretend acronyms, pronouns, skin colors and heritages trying to crybully society into tagging along.Also makes me feel like I was a teen in a sweet time spot of modesty and people just overall getting along with each other between society as eugenics program like my parents experienced it where people who were different simply got beaten and bullied into suicide or outright killed for walking/looking funny or having sex in any other way than what was sanctioned and society sucking off the biggest victim in the room and healthy people actively grooming themself into being more and more dysfunctional caricatures of perversion, sickness and disability in a mental, emotional and physical way because the biggest atrocity to human existence wins. Driven to the point where the actual conditions are frowned upon by the pretenders because the display isnt intense enough.Truly the insanity of man made horrors beyond comprehension.
>>10881015retvrn to the sharty, jakfaggot
>>10907777AYRT Wow, it must be even more common than I thought if you guessed it that quickly. But yeah, you're right on target. These kind of people get in my nerves. EDS is all fun and games to them until you have visible symptoms. I sometimes get nasty comments on my cosplay photos about my keloid scars, or my joints bending backwards during certain poses, and I'm treated as an annoyance when I take a long time to walk across uneven ground or stairs because I'm trying to keep my ankles from rolling, but at the same time I'm treated as "less disabled" than the faker class because I neither use or need a cane and prefer not to complain about my symptoms unless I actually need help. It's also really telling how almost all of them seem to magically manifest EDS in their late teens/early 20s, so they get annoyed if you were actually born with it. Sorry for the blogpost again. This is just my first time meeting someone who seems to actually get it.
>>10907844Original anon again. Being too thin can also make the joint instability worse, the ideal situation is having a little muscle mass to stabilize things. But it's also really common to be thin with EDS because the dysautonomia can cause gastroparesis and other horrible stomach issues. I was underweight for a long time because I just genuinely couldn't eat enough without getting sick. I don't think I've ever met someone with EDS that was obese though.
>>10897580>sloppy blowjob the first man to take interest in themGuy here, it's that easy huh...
>>10882690>Conventions have gotten more obese and disgusting. I'm looking at all my old pics and damn most people used to be pretty skinny in shitty cosplay.That's just society in general. The enfattening of society began in the early 90's when fast food started becoming the cornerstone of people's diets, but things really took off once the fat acceptance movement started about a decade ago.
>>10882704>most anime cons are slowly being consumed by crunchyroll and its push to be some sort of streaming monopolyDon't know how it is in the rest of the country, but here in Texas CR de facto decided that Anime Frontier is /their/ con, and all the other cons in the state no longer have their support so things are actually starting to go in the other direction. This resulted in way less corpo presence at cons which I'm thankful for, but at the same time it's now slightly harder to do anime things at anime conventions: WAY fewer vendors are selling anime, viewing rooms are basically gone, et cetera. Most people here will not care since we all pirate our anime anyway, but I wonder what the long-term consequences will be of anime cons not carrying anime.
>>10907991I could have written this. I relate to you so much here. I choose to see myself as a person with a disability, not disabled, and when there are genuinely things I can’t physically do, I get shit because I haven’t been consistently whiny, obnoxious and in people’s faces because I prefer to try and cope with my condition and live the fullest life I can. I think another big tell is how consumed these people are by how “rough” they have it when if you actually have EDS you’ve probably sat in circles with people who have it far worse. A good friend of mine I met in physical therapy has that degenerative muscle disease that kills you by 35. I have nothing to complain about and I actually feel enormously grateful that my condition isn’t worse, and/or one of the related conditions that drastically decreases your life span.The age thing is interesting and telling too. EDS is genetic from birth. I had my first dislocated joint in elementary school, and had numerous dislocations by high school. I’ve had physical therapy basically everyday from the time I was 12. and yes, it is not easy to get a diagnosis, but if you really had EDS you would have a long running medical history of complications related to EDS. It’s so frustrating because I feel like I can’t actually tell people I have EDS because no one will actually believe that in light of all the faking bullshit.
>>10895055>last gallery is from 2019>site's "copyright" is until 2020Killed by covid, 1 like = 1 prayer ;_;
>>10908011EXACTLY. I don't feel like I have much to complain about. I'm 30 and can still do a lot of things on my own. There are people who have other EDS subtypes who are often dead or bedbound by my age. Your story really resonated with me. I remember not being allowed to play outside unsupervised because I rolled my ankle on a see-saw in elementary school and couldn't walk on it for weeks after, and my skin was so fragile that if I fell or scraped against something it could sometimes stretch into a severe wound if it didn't get immediate treatment. I have tons of scars that you'd never guess were from tiny scrapes and scratches. EDS runs in my family, so having it was expected and I spent a ton of my childhood at the pediatrician. I was a really active kid and teenager and excelled at gymnastics and running, but had to give them up because I ended up destroying my knees by sophomore year. It's actually a big reason I ended up getting into anime, since I had to spend more time indoors. I guess that's why it's so annoying-- anime and cosplay are hobbies that do really attract disabled people because they're generally pretty accessible hobbies, so we all found a home with the weebs, but now we're effectively being pushed out of the scene by people larping as cripples.
>>10907136>Maybe it’s because that’s one of the few things you can do to garner oppression sympathy if you’re not poc?I'd wager so. It lets them hop sides.>I do have a problem with how insanely common it is for people to treat a disability or marginalized status like some kind of immunity badge to avoid being called out for their shitty behaviorMy favorite example of this is the "I'm suffering from depression so you can't criticize me," or the "um, I'm literally neurodivergent and a minor???"
>>10907589People don't try to "change teams" when their own is socially favored.
>>10905449A big factor, I think is the death of authenticity. One can either view the world from their own eyes looking out, being oneself, or perceive the world through the eyes of everyone around looking in on them; identity deferred to a crowd. It is giving the world a vote on who one is. I'd argue that is the major theme of Perfect Blue and the idol setting was just the matrix, but I have to think on that further. While a few decades ago, the battle over ones identity was only a struggle faced by public figures, the internet panopticon has made everyone into a public figure and forced this conflict into the psyche of everyone. Irony, meta-irony, post-irony, etc is a cope to escape this conflict by laundering one's behavior, but it kills the soul. Being cringe is living free and authentic.
>>10907844>they probably have joint pain cause they’re 200+ pounds overweightIt's wild how pretty much every medical malady is aggravated by being overweight.
>>10908296NAYRT but i think perfect blue is more relevant know than when it was written even, i completely agree with your analysis here. there's quite a few old anime satoshi kon was involved with that eerily predicted some of the post tech boom psychological epidemics
>>10908303His death was really a great loss. One of these days, I'd like to do a Satoshi Kon panel at a con. I'll get around to it, I swear...
>>10908303I saw a TON of Perfect Blue cosplays and artist alley prints at a recent con so you may be on to something.
>>10908296>>10908303i hate when people like you claim to like something yet have misinterpreted it so deeply. embarrassing.
>>10908346AYRT i would love to attend a panel like that
>>10866322I've a load of phptographs from 2013 to 2016 when I got back into photographing cons on film after I realised little to none of the digital shit survived.I've no idea what to do with it all Maybe when I finally hang meself someone will find it.
>>10909297Jarring to see more modern characters on film. You should post more here and not hang yourself.
https://youtu.be/BVb0Ll3vINU?si=wMnVqBZ54cLOHB-uYup makes me feel really nostalgic in that nice comforting way. I revert to watching a lotta early 2010s/2000s stuff when I fall into depressive episodes good times
>>10909863lol is one of those guys a midget?
>>10889186you're balding, greying and hunching over.it ain't gonna stop, might as well lean into it.
>>10909661I'll have top stop soon due to the cost of materials and equipment getting massively unreliable. But modern con photog's just seem so damned up themselves.You're not Ansell fucking Adams, you're shootin' weebs.
>>10911009Also. Fuck Captcha with a cactus coated in pepper spray
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>>10911011Winning some Worbla at a Cosplay contest
>>10911012This is actually one on my favorites. Don't ask why. I got hundreds of photos. Very few are any good. But a few are interesting.
>>10866338It was a better time.Normies ruin everything.Can't stomach any local cons now, full of OF girls filling the walkways making tiktoks to promote their socials.Hate it.
