Old thread is nearing its limit >>10790295This thread is for ouji and aristocrat (aka "boystyle") discussion. "Boystyle" is shorthand for "boystyle lolita" and refers to the masculine counterparts of Japanese lolita and, often, aristocrat fashions. There is a lot of overlap between these styles, and different people use different terms to describe them. We usually just use "ouji" here.>Shopping spreadsheetThis is broken, now. Can it be fixed?https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j7sg2_7CvXUeIgZGGSLvJ9lUUuSVXhW8FlWWFwiv1Yk/edit?usp=docslist_api>Buttcape-sensei's shopping guide (mentions which brands/shops have men's or custom sizes):https://stephano.me/blog/where-to-buy-ouji-fashion/>Blogs for infobuttcape[.]blogspot[.]comhttps://ouji-armoire.tumblr.com/tagshttps://classical-alice.com/2018/03/09/%e7%9a%87%e5%ad%90%e3%83%bb%e7%8e%8b%e5%ad%90%e7%b3%bb%e3%83%ad%e3%83%aa%e3%82%a3%e3%82%bf%e3%83%95%e3%82%a1%e3%83%83%e3%82%b7%e3%83%a7%e3%83%b3%e3%81%ae%e7%89%b9%e5%be%b4%e3%81%a8%e3%83%96%e3%83%a9/ (in Japanese)https://www.zhihu.com/question/398686032 (in Chinese; tap "read more" for a nice rundown of taobao ouji brands, which begin below the "couple clothes" section.)Google your questions before asking them here.Read the whole thread before asking questions here.OC and selfposts encouraged! Random picspam discouraged.Discussion: Black Butler is coming back. Are you ready to be mistaken for a Ciel cosplayer again?
new AatP when? here's the most recent
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Mana-sama and Makoto in EGA for the members-only Moitie salon
in spring, Miho Matsuda offered 2 lengths for short pants: one for regular ouji and one for those who don't mind the Black Butler confusion
>>10868645please kys
remember looking at GLB scans of ouji and guessing what they were about? modern technology removes a lot of that guesswork. imagine the terminology debates that could have been avoided if anyone could easily run a page thru Google Translate back in the old-school days.
>>10868656take google translate with a grain of salt, anon. it's crowd sourced and most submissions are from non-native speakers. there are also a ton of words that are localized into english and not translated at all.
>>10868666100%additionally, for busy pages it does very little.even so, we could have been much more informed if it had been available.
new jacket with buttcape
it's happening again
AatP has fully given up
>>10871356
so AatP hasn't given up completely
>>10872800I'm so fucking happy I got it
>>10870616
spooky pants
>>10876476
who tf is buying this
>>10878612It's not my style at all but I don't see a problem with it. Just ornamentation for a more nature-themed gothic coord.
>>10868640where to find boots like in the rightmost pic?
>>10878746are those not the clara short boots?
is it easy to get away with wearing nice normie pants with ouji?
>>10879459secounding this but also vintage pants, wil they work? I’m tall and I dont have much hope that brand long pants will be long enough.
>>10879463>>10879459ouji doesn't use long pants.
>>10879485are you new? ouji has always included varying pant lengths.
>>10879526NTA but no it hasn't.
>>10879485>>10879530yes it has, gtfoh>>10879463>>10879459aatp pants run the gamut in terms of cut, so check out their past collections for inspo on what kinds of pants tend to look good with brand blouses, vests, and jackets.
>>10871356They cannot be serious
Requesting casualish coord inspo w/ straight cut shorts. >>10879459Seems like a good way to dip your toes into ouji and build up the confidence to wear weirder coords. Eventually, you'll want to get ouji-specific pants too though because more elaborate outfits will look kind of unbalanced with normies dress pants. Buy the rest of your coord first and compare different pants critically to make sure they look okay.
>>10879548>using a magazine spreadkek anon no
>>10879741gull alice and the pirates has released long pants from the start
>>10879740i got u
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>>10879775>everything a brand releases is lolitaThis is how we know you're new.
>>10879800So brand releases and magazine spreads are both wrong. We have to guide ourselves with whatever a western anon pulls out of their ass instead.
>>10879884lolthere's always some dumbass saying the dumbest shit itt. absolutely bottom-of-the-barrel ragebait.
oldschool ouji used to supplement their coords by using anything from bloomers to normie uniqlo pants. as the red-headed step-sibling of lolita fashion, some creative resourcing is often required to fill out a wardrobe that doesn't look like shit.>pic related, the ouji has vivienne westwood shoes and a gaultier bag but for pants basically says "dunno"
>>10879884>>10879892NTA but you can read Japanese resources you know.
>>10879972sources past and present are clear on the subject. some gulls just like to troll. it doesn't matter how much evidence we present, or what kind. they will reject it and continue to make the dumbest, most unfounded claims possible. it's a known pattern.
>>10879972you mean the ones that say long pants have always been an option?
loving ouji hurts sometimes
what are you getting this f/w season, /ouG/?
How the fuck do people wear standard brand OTKs? They are too thin for my shoes. It's like wearing tights with sneakers.
>>10882275if the shoes are uncomfortable i usually layer a pair or two of "no show" socks in the same color of the OTK
>>10882324you're supposed to layer socks underneath.
>>10882420yes.. i assumed that much was obvious
>>10882445then they don't need to be the same color, retard.
>>10882463you wouldn’t wear dark color socks under a white pair dumb fuck
>>10882478you literally can't see them if they're no-shows.
I got my first ouji pants and vest but turns out my torso is too long, vest is somewhat too short and pants are not high waisted enough. I expected the pants to be not high waisted but is there anything I could do? Just get a different vest or pants to match? I know, should have planned it out better before buying stuff and measured lenghts of everything too.
>>10883632do they fit otherwise? is the crotch comfortable, do the buttons fasten without pulling taut? no reason to get rid of em if so, just don't pair them together. if neither fits, send them off to a shorter ouji
>>10883742they do fit my body, just not each other. I guess I just gotta get items to match these pieces..
>>10883752yes. also: cardigans, long jackets, and corsets can cover the gap. a long blouse with a tail that's meant to be untucked can cover the top of your pants.
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>>10884721long shirt, short vest
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>>10884743
>>10879777Perfect rotten Ouji. Those legs, holly shit. Gorgeous monstrosity, so beauty.
>>10884749ew, cover those legs. Guys who don't look like little princes shouldn't wear ouji, it's disgusting.
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>>10884750you realize that's probably a woman, right?
>>10884750>look like little princesshoo shoo fujo
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>>10884758
>>10884759cutsew/cardigan
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>>10884754still gross if it was a woman, and yes I know most people who wear ouji are women. But that 100% looks like a dude.>>10884756ouji means prince and the style is based on the fairy tale image of a spoiled little prince. If you look like a big manly man then go for EGA or another grown up masculine style, if you look like a gremlin then stay out of j-fashion entirely.
>>10884769the style is based on a lot of stuff. stating your preference as though it were fact is dumb.
>>10884771that is what several brands define it as.
>>10884750how are you failing to realize that the disgust it evokes is the point.
>>10884775which brands? not aatp.
>>10879459>>10879463I suggest some nice high waisted trousers, some darts go a long way. Brand pants are typically very, very poorly constructed, the brands are pretty specialized in making dresses and blouses and so on, their pants are just shapeless tubes that you hopefully hide with a buttcape or long vest. You'll want very long, high rise pants so that you can pair them with lolita blouses and vests that are often very short because they're meant to be worn with a skirt or under a jsk, so they'll end at like.. your bellybutton. You want pants that reach your bellybutton, so avoid having a gap. Oftentimes even brand pants don't follow this rule and are inexplicably low-rise and look awful. I blame the 2000s I guess. >>10879485Some of the best coords use pants. For ageplay ouji sure you'll wear diaper shorts but the best of the style is leaning more towards vampire-prince than child-prince. Many of the ouji that go for a more mature style are just wearing plain dress pants, they don't need much adornment but darts or a pleat down the center of the leg for example would look nice.
>>10883632>>10883752just buy high waisted normie trousers, brand sets don't even match themselves sometimes they want you to just wear an untucked blouse to hide the ugly upper of your pants and fact that it doesn't actually reach the vest. it can work but it's usually going to make your legs look super short for a very unflattering silhouette, unless you're going for the childish look. >>10884753 is a good example of pieces that individually should be cool but the silhouette is this box of ill fitting fabric. Desperately needs shoes to add a little height and stop the pants from crinkling at the bottom, and if the blouse was tucked at the front it would create a much more streamlined regal appearance>>10884743>>10884759meanwhile these use boz blouses that are meant to be untucked and are shorter at the front so that they don't create that box-effect, the.. oversized dress shirt borrowed from your dad-look
>>10871356>>10879568Fair point but also is it significantly different from this necklace they released 2012??
>>10884769you're going to anger the fugly men ITT who can't even fit the fashion but think it's for them.
>>10884925this is sound advice, thanks gull>>10884930yes: the 2023 release is headwear, not a necklace.
>>10885033it's also a plain chain which is exponentially cheaper to produce than the beading in >>10884930
high-rise pants supremacy
>>10886027it's high waist you faggot.
>>10886141It can be called either, retard.
the new aatp hat looks soft and DIYable with a black felt hat base and craft store trimming. does anyone have experience making or decorating their own hats for ouji?
>>10886283NTA but high rise would be the length of the hem not at the waistline.
this is what you look like wearing low rise
>>10887399it's easy and fun and everyone should do it
>>10887399this isn't ouji. god i hate this thread. everyone ITT is a male or braindead women.
>>10887867take your meds, gull
>>10887867also, don't return to the thread. you hate it, and your delusional ignorance doesn't do much for the rest of us.
Hoshibako bringing back the OG ouji
AatP returning to formhttps://www.babyssb.co.jp/series/20231027_brilliant_notice_from_phantom_thief/
Moitie serving "h.Naoto knockoff" with this casual EGA release (a step way back from their piping jacket & pants set)
>>10888844it's forgivable since they also put this out
Boz's new releases have stayed true to the brand's form and even expanded their fabric choices. promising future. (Moitie pls take notes)
Q-pot gave sweet ouji something to get excited about, which was nice of them since all AatP could manage this season was "soggy diaper" >>10887662
>>10888848Fuck you're cringe. Stop.
>>10888873>Stop.very effective, 3 hrs after the last post
>>10888840Hey that's pretty good>>10888842I hate this because the jabot looks so awful, but I think the details are really nice.. maybe a bit much all at once though. The blue cape and cuffs are cool, and the striped lining would be great, but I don't think they go together well. >>10888844This is a rerelease of a shirt from 2012 or so.. their more casual vkei stuff must be selling if they keep shitting it out, so somebody wants it
>>10891190>Hey that's pretty goodat its price point, it better be. i haven't bought from them yet since they're new and basically a premium taobao brand. their quality seems inconsistent.
>>10891542Has anyone tried buying from them yet? I wonder what the quality is lkke
>>10891808the quality is decent, but their designs tend to be a little off aesthetically. it's like if a taobao brand used decent fabric.
>>10891859they are taobao lol
I've never purchased from Alpstola website since their opening, I tried to get the Roland release yesterday and today but every single time I tried to pay I got "Failed to compete your order" when the jacket was still in stockIs it because I used a Japanese address? I used several credit cards and PayPal but nothing workedI really wanted the OG ouji jacket....
>>10891926boz isn't even ouji you cringe freak.
>>10891926They sold out instantly, you just have to be fast!>>10891941Shut the absolute fuck up you triple nigger
>>10892038this is what happens when retard men think they're supposed to wear ouji.
>>10892065No, that's nothing to do with anything, you frumpy old dyke. You are just bothersome with your needless interjection of "errrm ackshually that's a different style" NOBODY gives a fuck. This is boystyle/menswear thread. Stopping shitting it up just because you're too ugly and awkwardly shaped to wear lolita dresses.
>>10892094ouji isn't for men
>>10892133Cool, ima keep wearing it
>>10891941>boz isn't even oujithey market themselves as such. thanks for the laugh tho
>>10892038Any chance they will release it again in the near future ?
>>10891941it's kind of admirable how you can say something so wrong so confidently >>10892065please don't make them dump the same 20 pics of men in ouji again, they can look good and ouji doesn't have to be diaper pants shota cosplay
If we really want to be accurate, Boz probably wouldn't call themselves 王子, they'd just say ゴシック
>>10892332in general, yesfor specific items, they often suggest styles such as ouji, lolita, etc.
kumya > captain chris
>>10892334Personally I wear things from brands that produce "ouji", but I definitely don't style my coords as ouji, I am inspired by the more mature looks of people like Kamijo and Vampire Rose. In the West we would call it aristocrat, but I haven't heard Japan call it anything but ゴシック. They don't call it 貴族 either.
>>10892482kamijo is aesthetic kei
>>10892335his clothes are too big
oujipoppers, is sweet ouji dead? im a very casual newb to ouji/boys’ fashion and i’ve found like… one store that sells sweet ouji. i feel like im looking for the lost city of atlantis here. it’s not even on aliexpress (which is like the hub of cheap sweet lolita). sometimes i wonder if i made up sweet ouji in a fever dream. are the homies just not dressing up as candy shop employees anymore
>>10894362it is not dead. it is possible that your type of pastel sweet ouji is less popular. why check ali express instead of taobao?
>>10894362also did you the shops in the OP
>>10868639This outfit actually looks okayMost ouji is so gauche
>>10868639this would only look good on a super attractive woman. i don't think i've ever seen a non model looking good in ouji
>>10894391It looks fine on any moderately attractive man too. Obviously ouji is much harder for women to pull off.
>>10868656i would murder someone for any of the devil may cry collab bags
>>10894376i checked both ali and taobao. i went to ali because they usually have something decently cute/cheap for me to decide if i’m really into ouji before i drop $300 on an outfit. haven’t had much success with either. might just settle for classic ouji at this point
>>10894408i found sweet ouji in the shops in buttcape's shopping guide. don't give up. (although, it was not pastel girlish sweet, just regular)
found picrel on lolitawardrobe. if i wanted to find more i would. this is just to assure you that even english language resellers have sweet ouji.
what ouji present would you ask from Santa?
>>10895560durable staples made of non-poly fabric
>>10894395>Obviously ouji is much harder for women to pull off.Damn, I leave /cgl/ for a while and now it’s filled with this cringe. Is it actual scrotes invading or FTMs being catty?
>>10896373Same>>10894395I find women to do it better than men desu
>>10897595*desu, not desu
>>10897486there's a couple chronic baiters floating around, don't feed em>>10897597where have you been for the last decade my gull
I really wish they would just use some chunky yosuke platforms, the footwear always looks pretty bad in their ouji shoots. Otherwise, I really like the fabric used, rare W
>>10898625yeah the stilettos are a bizarre choice.the length of the shorts is perfect.
>>10897486>Is it actual scrotes invadingyes. this thread has been full of men for a year they're a plague.
>>10898706I'm pretty sure they're pants, tucked into the boots, which makes it an even worse choice for showing off the outfit..>>10898784I'm reclaiming this thread 4 the boys
>>10899540you apes wish you could fit into this shit.
>>10898625lmaoing @ you whores complaining about ouij looking gay af, lol, xD even
/ouG/ is a good vibes zone
is your Valentine's coord ready, /ouG/?
>>10900887more like ouji is meant for women and not men
>>10900908yawn
>>10900943none of you fags have a small enough frame to fit into this. otherwise you fuckers would post fits.
>>10900954>fits
Devi, designer for Anges et Demons, recently turned 50. Take care of your skin, gulls.
>>10900983wdym bitch looks old as fuck
>>10900981yea i said it because all of you retards are clearly from /fa/. come back when you weigh less than 100lbs, male.
>>10900983damn fucking fagtron, fucking lolitas, why? why ouij has to be so fucking faggy? lolita is cool, elegant, oiuj is only queerish
What do you guys think of MARBLE? I was just looking at a few things from wunderwelt (pic related), and I really like their big neckties and the variety of solid/subtle colorways. I have an atelier pierrot mini dress and I think the bolero is perfect for covering my shoulders. I like everything about their clothes except for the 'V' shape in a lot of their skirts. I was watching a lolita talk about the fashion and she said "if you like looking ita then go for it" about MARBLE ;_; I think I want to get into EGA more than Lolita. The dress shapes and symmetry suit my american body more. It's too hard to find drop-waist dresses in lolita. I'm in love with the h. Naoto parasol too. I know it's all goofy vampire clothing and I should just wear what I like, but I was just wondering
>>10892648what is "aesthetic kei," that sounds like people who say something is "corecore"
>>10901259some of their stuff works for ouji or EGA, but mostly they do skirts, so you are asking the wrong thread.
>>10901264I think it's anon's retarded way of saying visual kei
>>10899919Nope.
>>10901328Yeah, I think they mean tanbi kei more specifically
>>10901329what do you need? 2 weeks left
>ask AatP for ouji prints>get this instead
the new releases are not all bad
>>10903519hat too small
the average EGA wearer is 45 years old
>>10905289The filters on these always crack me up.
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>>10904078what else is new
take this to your next meetup
>>10906312Makes me want to see an ouji specific ita thread
>>10906703it will 90% be obese people who thrifted pieces of suits and call their outfit ouji.
>>10906703just search the "kodona" tag on instagram
>>10906705>>10906723I was not surprised to find people can look pretty good in offbrand and pretty mid in brand; also they're skinny
>>10906753Letting westerners wear ouji was a mistake. Lolita *can* look decent on a lot of different types of people and body shapes, but ouji? It objectively looks awful on anyone who isn’t the right build. Even when someone has the right build, westerners have no taste whatsoever when it comes to ouji. Maybe it’s because there’s less info out there about it, but it’s not an exaggeration to say that 99% of all western ouji looks like shit 100% of the time.
>>10906948there's fewer options and a less strict silhouette. lolita skirts at least need to accommodate a petticoat. but ouji bottoms have no such inherent structure to prop up the coord.
>>10903519jacket looks nice
>>10907573This looks like something from Halloween USA …
>>10906948I've seen good European ones.
Is it difficult to get ouji outfits for usakumyas?
classic oujis can have a little color as a treat
Recent Miho Matsuda
Coord goals
>>10911238UwU vampire lord
>>10905289Let's check out.60+30=9090/2=45seems accurate
>>10903519>not allyou are brutally honest, i like it
