Be honest with her and use your parental authority. She’s too incompetent to be a vegan without developing a severe iron deficiency, she’s still your child and you have to take care of her health.
Legit, this happened to me at like 13.
I “went vegetarian” but mostly ate tofu dogs and Mac n cheese. Doc said i was unhealthy, parents said you lost your privileges of being a vegetarian under our roof. “You can do whatever you want at 18”
My parents were awesome, kids need authority and guidance. They never beat me, just were up front about why they were doing what they were doing.
Maybe start with insisting she eat more eggs, if she’s a vegan for moral reasons that is probably the easiest avenue. Find a place that sells farm fresh eggs, take her there, let her see the happy chickens, and make her eat eggs regularly lol

If she’s a screeching brat when told no you’re already fucked and i have no advice though.

>>21883844
I want to add, there’s an uptick in eating disorders in all teenagers at this point. Commonly disguised with restrictive diets like veganism.
I don’t think you should bring it up out of the blue, just do some research and look out for the signs.

>>21883858
Guess that is one way to go about it, but honestly? I am worried she will just start vomiting after meals and develop bulimia, as she has already forced herself to vomit after accidentaly eating actual cheese instead of vegan cheese.

I could force her, but I do not think that will end up in a positive outcome.

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>>21883844
Post daughter, only then can we accurately evaluate how she should take meat.

>>21883863
>expose your child to random internet strangers.
No.

>>21883862
Don’t force, talk. Reason. You should be able to reason and compromise with your child.
My conversation with my parents wasn’t easy, i cried, i argued, they didn’t back down and they didn’t yell.
They convinced me i wasn’t doing a good job (i wasn’t) and if i wasn’t going to fix my diet by making real food i had to start eating dinner with everyone again.
If your concern is truly iron deficiency, maybe start with goals/expectations/consequences.
“If your iron isn’t back to normal levels by X date, you’re going to have to compromise on some part of your diet”.
Like i said, eggs are probably an easy avenue if you can make her feel good about the chickens producing them.
How many eggs can one little girl eat? They’re not that expensive to get.

>>21883844
Find her a meat eating boyfriend

>>21883870
Money is not the problem, I worry that she will just start vomiting after dinner, she can be stubborn like that.

I will try reasoning with her, but if I notice she is not cooperating I will have to force her hand, even if it means lying to her about the contents of her food.

>>21883871
She is too young for that.

>>21883874
I’m not some sanctimonious “never lie to your child” kind of person, so i completely understand. I just don’t think it’s sustainable and i lived a similar issue.
Set expectations/goals, communicate the consequences, and hold her accountable.

The fact that she’s willing to make herself puke is genuinely concerning along the ED issue..
did she do it because she thought it was vegan cheese and then freaked out or did you make her eat nonvegan cheese and then she did it later?

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>>21883844
Why even go through the trouble of hiding small amounts of meat in her food for iron
The pills the doctor prescribed are far more effective at that

Even if you are against supplements, why can't you just cook plant foods high in iron like lentils or spinach??
For a bonus, if you pair the above with a vitamin C source like lemon juice or peppers, the iron absorption is increased by up to 600%

>>21883893
This
This is more ammunition for just talking to her about making healthy changes and taking responsibility for her health.
She’ll never learn with hidden bullshit

>>21883892
>did she do it because she thought it was vegan cheese and then freaked out
This, it was not at home, she thought the cheese on the veggie burguer was vegan, but she noticed it did not taste like it and asked the employee about it.

Once she learned the burguer was vegetarian, but not vegan, she freaked out and ran to the restroom to vomit it out, forcibly sticking her fingers deep in her throat.

>>21883893
The doctor strongly disencouraged her from continuing the diet, even with the pills he prescribed. So I will not go against medical advice.

>>21883901
Dude.
Have you ever had a significant medical issue? If so, you’d know doctors are fallible, emotional humans just like the rest of us. He’s probably seen plenty of teen girls fail to put the work into a proper diet + they’re susceptible to anemia anyway. His strong recommendation is still just a recommendation.
Have the talk, do the pills, make her eat better, and then get retested and go from there.

How is her weight? Has she been losing weight?

>>21883907
>How is her weight? Has she been losing weight?
She is 10 pounds underweight for her height.

>>21883858
eggs contribute to iron deficiency. so does milk. you can cure iron deficiency by just taking a supplement every day anyway. this is a total non issue.

>>21883909
Definitely, and i mean definitely, bring that up that it’s not okay.
Anecdotal experience here but friend of mine is a mental health counselor. He’s worked in ghetto rehabs, nice rehabs, with veterans, gang members, homeless people etc etc to support addiction recovery. He’s adamant that his time at an eating disorder clinic was the worst experience he’s ever had in his professional career with the most insane people.
They are serious mental disorders.
if she shows distress about the concept of gaining weight the vegan diet is the least of your worries and she needs mental health care.

>>21883911
>this is a total non issue.
The doctor disagrees.

>>21883917
>she needs mental health care.
Agreed, I have already talked to her about it previously, she was ot thrilled with the idea, but I made it clear it was for her own good and I would force her to go if she keeps losing weight.

>>21883922
the doctor is a retard. so are you and so is your daughter. you're all a bunch of blind clowns stumbling your way through life. even if she starts eating red meat again she still needs to take the supplements since she is a woman and iron flows freely from her vagina once a month

also honestly rereading this thread I think it's a larp so whatever I'm out

>>21883928
>everyone is a retard but me
Do you have any medical background? Are you a nutricionist? If not, then excuse me, but I a. not taking your word over that of an actual healthcare worker.

>>21883922
Weight gain or mental health care? Just clarifying
That sucks anon, I’m sorry but i think the bigger issue is a hidden ED..
It may be your next best step to find an ED specialist just for you and your wife to talk to without letting your daughter know. Just get some advice and perspective from an ED professional about her behavior.
General practitioners cannot be experts in every field, things do sincerely require specialized training.
Obviously low iron is a concern to address, but like others have stated it’s honestly not a difficult problem to solve even as a vegan with supplements and diet changes.

>>21883844
Iron deficiency is common among women even when they eat meat. Eggs have the same non-heme iron as plants. Small amounts of eggs and meat aren't going to provide enough iron to correct a deficiency.

>>21883942
>Weight gain or mental health care?
Both, I worry she might be developing anorexia or bulimia.

I try cooking her iron rich foods like beans, peas, lentils, chickpeas, but she does not seem to have an appetite to eat enough of it. From what I remenber from living with vegetarians during college, they ate at least a couple big plates of it in order to stay healthy.

I am unsure if she just does not have enough appetite, a small stomach or if she is doing it to try and stay skinny, she is in her early teens and I worry she might be influenced by social pressure at school to keep her weight down.

>>21883942
>may be your next best step to find an ED specialist just for you and your wife to talk to without letting your daughter know.
I guess you are right, might be best to get a specialist opinion.

>>21883946
Even when combined with the iron pills?

>>21883844
>iron deficiency
broccoli.

>>21883844
>I have begun disguising meat in the food I cook for her
psychopathy.
same type of person thinks meal prep makes sense.
same type of person would rip wings of a fly to make it a walk.
you are a danger to yourself and others.
you require institutionalization.

>>21883948
Shiggy doood…
I’m so glad i brought it up, i sincerely wish you the best. A lot of things like this will fly under the radar for too long.
I became morbidly interested in ED culture, i fucking LOVE food i just couldn’t understand how someone could starve themselves.
Being sneaky is encouraged, a must even for them.
So unfortunately your instinct to be sneaky about the egg is correct.. you need to be sneaky too, and extremely sensitive. I was harping on about reasoning with your kid but this is different lol
This takes special, tactful communication.

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Carnists are really dumb. Despite what RFK and his junkie groupies will tell you, eating a vegetable isn't going to kill you. She'll get enough protein one way or another. The thing flying under your radar is her bones. The single most important nutritional issue for young women is calcium intake. By the time she's in her early 20s her fate is sealed. Will she get a broken hip at 50, or 90?

Focus on getting her enough calcium and stop sperging about muh raw meat muh red meat muh joe rogan diet, that's some incel shit right there. The protein will take care of itself. Stop listening to podcasts.

>>21883953
I cook it nearly every day.

>>21883954
I am just trying to keep my daughter safe, if that makes me a psycho in your eyes, so be it.

>>21883956
Glad you understand, I feel bad about having to be sneaky, but the consequences of not doing so are die enough for me to get over my feelings about it.

>>21883957
I did not listen to any podcasts about it, I took her to a doctor and had her blood tested.

The deficiency is there, I need to deal with it.

Good point about calcium though, I feed dher a lot of brocollis, kale, almonds and other high calcium leafy greens, so her calcium content was not deficient in her bloodtest, but I will keep that in mind when cooking so I can keep her calcium levels adequate as well.

>>21883960
My whole thing was about teaching reasoning, accountability, etc etc
But mental illness does not play by those rules.
Definitely reach out to an ed specialist for guidance.
If she finds out you’re sneaking her egg it will be a million times more difficult to actually help her. Since she’s going the vegan route, she’ll have moral high ground amongst her peers too when she freaks out about it.
Maybe start slipping in vegan-based extra calories, just to try to reduce blowback if you get caught.
I’m not an expert at all, maybe they’ll tell you matching her sneak is a terrible idea, i don’t know, but i do know what I’ve read on the ED forums.

>>21883970
I am at a loss, tbqh, it would not be nearly as bad if she was just vegetarian, but going fully vegan has truly taken a toll on her health.

>>21883960
>I am just trying to keep my daughter safe
ban her from social media.

>>21884001
What good would that do to her nutrient deficiency or ED?

>>21883954
> meal preppers are psychopaths
Wut

>>21883974
> am unsure if she just does not have enough appetite, a small stomach
Not a thing for a growing teenager. Sure, not everyone eats like a football player but she’s supposed to be growing and yet she’s underweight and not eating full meals.
Lack of food is the real problem
It’d be kinda funny if she just really hates vegan food, idk if you’ve talked to her about getting into cooking food she likes.

>>21884012
is the mother perchance obese? sometimes teenage girls with fat mothers overcompensate by undereating because they're terrified of becoming like that. the "vegetarian" thing ends up being a pretext so that the conversation doesn't have to be so uncomfortable (I don't want to be fat like you!!!)

I suggest you look at the entirety of her environment and consider the possibility that the ethics of animal enslavement is a politically correct alternative to criticizing hypersensitive cluster B mom's body composition

>>21883844
This is stupid. If she's taking supplements and eating the right things, iron deficiency is not a main concern of a vegan diet. When you redo this troll post, make sure to mention b vitamin deficiency, that's the thing vegans actually have to worry about, and still get around with supplements.
Also, imagine having a daughter lmao I have three sons

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>>21884019
>Also, imagine having a daughter lmao I have three sons
It's the third that has the highest chance of going full homosex/transsex. Fraternal birth order effect, enjoy your new daughter!

>>21884012
>It’d be kinda funny if she just really hates vegan food, idk if you’ve talked to her about getting into cooking food she likes.
She always tell me that my cooking tastes great, so I am not sure that is the problem at all.

I do teach her how to cook, pretty sure she can make meals by herself if she wants to.

>>21884016
No, her mom is a normal weight, thin even.

>>21884019
YOU are stupid, I am trying to help her, she does not have vitamin B deficiency because of her vitamins, I knew about vitamin B deficiency being a problem when she first started and have had her take supplements for it since the beggining.

I was not, however, prepares for the iron deficiency, I thought that would not be a problem if I feed her beans, peas, lentils, brocolli and others, but after 2 years it became clear she has sa problem, she is very pale and passed out during PE class, which is what first made me take her to the doctor and have her blood tested.

The best way to correct iron deficiency is eating some ruminant liver but good luck getting her to eat that. Can be cooked in patè to mask the taste that some people find off putting. Either way best of luck dad anon.

>>21884023
Cope all you want, my boys are going to wreck your daughter's pussy when they grow up.

>>21884034
Even I cant stand the taste and texture of liver.

>>21884033
Is she a bleeder already? She might have some kind of fucked up period and the meat wouldn't help anyways, you should talk with the mom about birth control because it also treats a lot of issues related to menstruation. Where's the mom in all of this, anyways?

>>21884058
She did take her to the gynecologist last month, she is going to do some tests this month and might get on birthcontrol afterwards.

>>21884052
Quit fetishizing your sons, freak

>>21884033
Yeahh… be extremely careful if you’re still going to slip in eggs, and i wouldn’t bring up your suspicions of an ED until you talk to a specialist. Idk if you need to find a therapist that specializes in ED first, sometimes the medical industry hard routes people.

>>21884001
I feel you, but brute force with teens and socialization is like #1 way to exacerbate rebellion and sneakiness.
If she’s already on social media, attempting to limit by encouraging her to participate in more real life activities so she has less time on sm would be a good approach.
This is coming from a rebellious teen that turned out fine, I’m a homeowner at 30 and everything.
I fully credit my parents and how they handled me desu

>>21884016
I honestly have not seen much of that discussed in the ED forums. A lot of people with mothers who were extremely mean about their daughters image/weight but not much said about the mothers themselves. Some envy over their mothers thin frames but really not much “my mom is obese and I’m afraid of being that”
It’s a lot more delusional if you’re actually suffering from an eating disorder.

>>21884081
The thing is not wanting to be morbidly obese is seen as an "eating disorder" if you live in 'merica, exercise and a balance diet are literally viewed as mental illness

>>21884078
You're the one acting like they're gonna troon out, quaking in your boots with the realization that there are three mini chads out there, waiting to demolish your daughter's holes.

>>21884084
No, it is not considered that by actual medical professionals in your city.

“Medical professionals” that are paid to speak about political issues or are seeking fame are not real practicing doctors half the time. They left practicing medicine to be fake celebrities.

>>21884093
If you don’t comprehend that I’m not OP but someone replying to OP with advice, i think you’re just blatantly retarded.

>>21884078
Yeah, I did not mention ED so far because I am afraid she would take that the wrong way and shut down.

>>21884099
If you don't comprehend that I can still tell that you're a girl dad, and that I'm talking to you as much as I am talking to op and all fathers of holes, I think you're retarded and gay.

>>21883844
Iron deficiency can't be cured by simply eating meat. Make her take iron and B12 supplements and she will be fine. Actually the problem will be that if she's not eating meat, she's probably not getting enough calories. Health officials are divided about animal products, and red meat especially, and most people are lactose intolerant. But they all agree that fruits and vegetables are necessary.

>>21884133
This is an AI post.

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>>21884128
I don’t have any kids you mongoloid faggot.

>>21884135
Sorry, I forgot to put retarded faggot nigger in there to assure I'm human

>>21884133
The doctor disagrees, says she should stop the vegan diet AND keep taking the supplements.

>>21884137
This is a well trained AI post

>>21884136
Then shut the fuck up, little virgin bitch boy. Kill yourself.

>>21884139
Doctors are fucking retarded faggots, who push whatever pharmaceutical salesmen tell them to push and don't do any medical work at all any more. I have to take my kids to a doctor in another state, because he's the only doctor around who doesn't constantly tell me to get my boys circumcised. I can't go get a refill on my inhaler without some quack trying to shove semaglutides down my throat, I'm not even fat, my bmi is on the low side of normal. Doctors are retarded and you have to be retarded to trust them implicitly, especially in this day and age.

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>>21884162
Trust them implicitly? Dude, she took a blood test, I saw the results, it was not guess work.

Are you implying the lab faked her exams on purpose for some hidden agenda of prescribing iron supplements to vegans?

>>21884175
I think we're genuinely at that stage, yes.

>>21884187
Well, that sucks, but iron deficiency does explain her pale skin and fainting during exercise.

Personality is probably the biggest factor but vegetarian/vegan parents tend to raise picky eaters far more than meat eating parents. The number of times I've seen people who won't eat anything except a select number of foods and they just happen to also be in a veggie family

>>21884363
I understand your point of view, however, this is not the case.

She pretty much anything I make, and is not at all picky about most ingredients, except some stuff like Okra or scarlet eggplant, which honestly not even I like.

But regardless of ingredients or taste, she seems to eat way less than she should, she either picks little food or leaves a lot of leftovers if I make her plate.

I worry this might be an ED instead of a result of her diet, but the fact she eats little ends up messing with her health even more as a result of her diet.

Let us be honest, you can get iron from beans, peas, lentils, brocolis, chickpeas, kale, and a bunch of others, but you still need to eat it in large enough quantities for it to provide enough nutrients for a growing teenager, specially considering women naturally have a problem with lack of iron.

So I am in a situation in which I am sneaking chicken and eggs into her food as a desperate attempt to provide iron dense food to compensate for her small portions.

>>21884439
That's a really tough situation. Good luck mate

>>21883957
>Will she get a broken hip at 50, or 90?
Either one is past childbearing age so it doesn't matter.

>>21883844
Your child is too stupid to survive, and if you're not able to convince that retarded slut to eat healthy then you should just let her kill herself.

is this just a bot that reposts reddit content? for what purpose?

>>21884119
Good instincts

Wishing your family the best.
The only other advice i have for you is do some research. All my context came from lurking in tumblr communities and old ed forums. There are some YouTubers that are recovering ed patients too.

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>>21884462
Stefani, is that you?

>>21884451
Yeah, which is why I am asking for different opinions from total strangers in order to get some different perspective, because I am at a loss as to what to do to help my little girl.

>>21884462
>Your child is too stupid to survive, and if you're not able to convince that retarded slut to eat healthy then you should just let her kill herself.
There is special place in hell for people like you. Try not to take too long to get there.

>>21884467
No, I am 100% serious, I am jjust a father trying to get advice on how to help my daughter in a very difficult situation.

>>21884484
Believe me, I am watching all about it from all sources available, I will keep going until I find a solution.

I am searching for local support groups for people with EDs, but am unsure how to convince her to go to one. I could force her as her parent, but she would likely end up shutting down and preventing help from others if I did that.

For now, I am focused on improving her iron intake by whatever means necessary. I even aquired a tablet of 100% pure iron to place inside the pressure cooker when cooking beans or whatever other recipe like stews or soups, in order for it to release more Iron ions into her food.

One thing she has proven to have a decent appetite, which are somewhat high in iron content, are shiitake mushrooms.

A simple dish of sliced shiitake on olive oil with some soy sace and pepper seem to always be fully eaten when I serve it as a side dish, so I try to cook it at least 2-3 times a week.

I heard that some wild caught mushrooms have even greater iron and protein contents, but I have no local seller of them and would be worried about the risk of poisoning if the wrong kind ends up with the batch.

I really wish I could convince her to go vegetarian instead of vegan, or even pescatarian. Would be a relief if she would at least eat shrimp!

>>21883862
Veganism is a mental illness relating to the purity of food. They think they are better than others for not eating "dirty" meat, when the reality is meat is why we evolved big brains. 50% your brain is saturated fat. Your hormones are made of cholesterol. Every cell wall in your body is saturated fat.

It's obvious she is filling her head with liberal bullshit online. I would require her to eat meat, and if she develops bulimia then treat her as mentally ill, BECAUSE SHE IS.

You are obviously a weak father that is negotiating with your daughter's mental illness. You don't reason with mentally ill people, you make them better.

Vegans all look like crack heads after 10 years due to nutritional deficiency. There are zero reasonable nutrition based arguments for veganism, aka THE ONLY MACRO NUTRIENT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO EAT IS CARBOHYDRATES. If you want to meet the minimum RDA of absorbable protein from lentils, you need to eat like 8 cups a day.

>>21884613
>veganism, aka THE ONLY MACRO NUTRIENT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO EAT IS CARBOHYDRATES.
What are you talking about? Plant fat is incredibly common. Plant protein less so but it's still there. You could easily do a low carb vegan diet.

>DAUGHTER YOU LOOK LIKE SHIT TODAY
>AGAIN
>EYE BAGS WORSE THAN A FUCKING RACCOON
>YOUR HAIR LOOKS LIKE GARBAGE TOO
>EAT SOME GODDAMN MEAT OR IT'LL FALL OUT ENTIRELY THEY'LL START CALLING YOU SIRIDAR-BARON VLADIMIR HARKONNEN OF GIEDI PRIME

>>21884609
Ok, sure, let us say she is indeed mentally ill for her ED or her veganism.

That does not help me navigate this, it is very easy for you to say "treat her as if she is mentally ill" when she is not your daughter.

The way I approach her about it, the professional healthcare workers I serk the aid of, and the support she needs, not only medically speaking but also socially, nutritionally and as a parent, will heavily influence on the outcome and the future of my daughter.

I need proper guidance and information before I take any serious steps towards helping her.

>>21884622
>50% your brain is saturated fat
>the coating of all your neurons is saturated fat
>your cell walls require saturated fat and unsaturated fat makes the walls leaky
Anyone who responds with "eat lots of avocados" knows nothing about nutrition.

>>21884623
I like this angle. Get a giant poster of eugina cooney that says VEGAN SUPERSTAR or maybe a fruitarian that's starving themselves to death.

Then print a second poster of some hot whore who uses the carnivore diet as an advertising mechanism.

Then put up posters of pest control on vegetable farms. Dead rats, mice, and poisoned insects.

>>21884629
The hard propaganda angle
>EUGINA COONEY: RELIGIOUS VEGAN
>MIKAILA PETERSON: HOT CARNIVORE HANGING OUT WITH CELEBRITIES
>DEAD MICE? THE COST OF VEGANISM. SAVE 1000 MICE, EAT A COW

>>21884613
I am not negotiating anything, I just indentified the problem and am seeking info before taking a stance.

I do hope she stops her vegan diet as I see it is taking a toll on her body.

>>21884623
I am trying to avoid this, no need to be a jerk about it.

>>21884632
Thanks, will watch some videos about it.

>>21884642
Vegetbale farming is often done overseas without labor laws. Vegans are taking advantage of humans for their food. At least beef raised in america has real work/food quality regulations. They might not live the happiest life, but I bet it's better than being a human slave on a vegetable farm.

Vegetables are direct food sources for small critters. Far more pesticides are needed to keep vegetables pest-free. Causing more environmental contamination and harm for those 3rd world farmers.

Meat is nutrient dense meaning you need less of it to be healthy. 1 burger is better for the environment than 3 avocados.
https://thecleanlivingpath.com/nutrition/the-truth-about-veganisms-hidden-death-toll

Vegans cannot get B12, saturated fat, protein, or cholesterol in healthy amounts without resorting to supplementation.

Raw vegan starves herself to death. Many such cases.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOfE3peL1QE


What's healthier for your body and the planet? Consuming locally grown whole foods that are nutrient dense. Locally raises grass fed beef, not Indonesian rice farmer slave empty carbs.

>>21883957
NTA I agree that podcasts are not a primary source of information and anything heard on them should be heavily scrutinized, much like you should read the whole thread before giving your opinion as you would be similarly lacking information.

It's completely possible to get all your nutritional needs from meat, especially if you eat organ meat. It is impossible to get all nutrients on a vegan diet.

>>21883957
Plant protein absorbs at a lower rate than meat. You need to eat like 8 cups of lentils a day to meet the MINIMUM RDA. Veganism also causes infertility if you do it during puberty.

Periods? Hello? Losing blood every month? What food naturally has lots of iron? Beef.

I can tell the lack of protein/saturated fat in your diet is lowering your IQ, if you think the natural human diet is "Joe Rogan RFK" stuff.

>>21884023
That's a biological female

>>21884630
I didn't say anything about saturated fat or avocados or that veganism is ideal. But saying veganism is just carbs doesn't make sense.

>>21884667
>lentils
Why are you so focused on lentils? Soybeans are a good source of protein, they have almost no carbs. And that's not even including processed protein stuff.

>>21884686
>It's impossible to meet the RDA of protein on plants alone, unless you consider 8 cups of lentils normal
>It's impossible to get a healthy amount of saturated fat unless you eat avocados every single day. They also do not include fat soluble vitamins that animal fat contains, like A and K
>the only macronutrient plants consistently provide in large amounts is carbohydrates.
>The macronutrients meat consistently providd are protein and saturated animal fat
Anyone notice the billionaires like Bill gates who promote veganism and eating bugs, love their steaks?

>>21884695
>the only macronutrient plants consistently provide in large amounts is carbohydrates.
Nuts and seeds are all pretty much just fat and protein.

>>21884692
Soy contains enough estrogen, menopausal women get relief from it balancing their hormones. If there was a testosterone bean I'd probably eat it.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19299447/


>>21884696
Nuts are mostly unsaturated fat, very little protein, and tons of antinutrients like lectins which are bad for your teeth/bones. Why are you trying to circumvent easily available food sources, for more toxic, more laborious, inferior ones?

>>21884706
>Why are you trying to circumvent
I'm not trying to circumvent anything. You keep making claims that are incorrect then making other unrelated claims to what you just said.

>>21883844
If you actually cared, you'd just make her more food with lentils and tofu. Don't larp like you're some self-sacrificing martyr. This isn't about her health, and when she finds out, she's going to loathe you for it, and you'll be sitting there unable to see your own daughter but comforting yourself with jerk off sessions about how you just loved her too dang much.

>>21884711
Everything I have stated is based on fact. Plants are less nutrient dense than meats. You cannot get adequate protein or saturated fats from plants alone. Even the most absurdly tuned vegan diet cannot be healthy. On the flip side, I fully admit pescetarians and lacto/ovo vegetarians can lead healthy lives. If OP's daughter ate eggs and cheese (which don't harm the animals) she would be healthy.
>>21884716
Sneaking food into her food is stupid, but you're still a faggot.

>not a single post about how fucked up it is feeding your own daughter meat against her will without her knowledge.
You are a shit father and she will despise you for it
>but nooo i know best she needs my meat
Talk to her you retard, actually use your role as a father and teach her about correct diet/nutrient intake, teach her to fucking cook.
>but muh doctor
One doctor. Another will say something else. And another will give you a god damn pamphlet on what vegetables/supplements to eat to cover it. This is not the fucking plains of africa or the middle ages. Veganism isn't a death sentence if you know how to cook and know what to eat, despite all the retards, rejects, boomers and contrarians in this hellhole saying otherwise.
>but i know best she'll be deficient
There are literal vegan olympians and athletes
>but iron, vitamins and protein
Supplements. Fermented foods. Seeds, nuts, grains. There's enough protein in plants unless she's a bodybuilder.
You will literally be the cause of her eating disorder if you fuck with her food without her knowledge or consent. I don't give a shit about being vegan but I do give a shit about idiots breeding their mental illness into their offspring and making society worse. Especially when its entirely avoidable with a little empathy and compassion.
A full and healthy vegan diet is a pain in the ass and requires knowledge, skill, effort and money to get right. Show her what it takes and she'll either hate the work and give up or she'll do it and be healthier/smarter. She is likely doing it because she cares about the planet like most young people, or saw some dumb shit on tiktok and will drop it eventually. If its a legit ED thing forcing meat into her aint gonna help.

In short, you are a bad father, teach her to cook and meet her half way. Add nutrients and tell her why. Otherwise she'll be another mentally ill chick with daddy issues/ED combo that ends up fucking a hundred guys like me to feel better about herself

>>21884657
I will watch these and research about it, but I am not sure taking a militant approach would be effective.

>>21884667
Ok, sure, proteins.

But we are focusing on the iron deficiency first, so let us talk about that.

>>21884723
>Everything I have stated is based on fact.
You just keep talking about lentils, and saying vegan diets are only carbs, and when you get proven wrong you just start talking about something else. I don't disagree that vegan diets have problems and probably aren't ideal but you just keep saying things that aren't accurate then not acknowledging that what you said wasn't accurate before switching to another topic.

>If OP's daughter ate eggs and cheese (which don't harm the animals) she would be healthy.
Vegetarians are still a bit more likely to have iron deficiency unless they supplement. Eggs and milk aren't good sources of iron. Dark leafy greens and sprouted/fermented whole grains/beans can be somewhat okay sources of iron but you'd still want to get blood tests once in a while to make sure you're not dropping.

>>21884716
>lentils and tofu
No shit, I serve her half a block of tofu per meal, and am always cooking legumes like beans, peas, lentils, etc...

The problem is not what I feed her, it is the amount of it that she eats.

Read the thread before posting.

>>21884723
>If OP's daughter ate eggs and cheese (which don't harm the animals) she would be healthy.
That is the angle I am currently focused on, but as you can read above, she has sonce violently rejected normal cheese and forced herself to vomit, so I worry about it driving her further down the ED path.

>>21884728
>are a shit father and she will despise you for it
If she grows up healthy, I am willing to bear that price.

>>21884728
>Talk to her you retard, actually use your role as a father and teach her about correct diet/nutrient intake, teach her to fucking cook.
Read the thread, this has more to do with possible ED than diet.
>>21884728
>One doctor. Another will say something else. And another will give you a god damn pamphlet on what vegetables/supplements to eat to cover it. This is not the fucking plains of africa or the middle ages. Veganism isn't a death sentence if you know how to cook and know what to eat, despite all the retards, rejects, boomers and contrarians in this hellhole saying otherwise.
Ok, so? I have worked my ass off these past 2 years to learn vegan recipes to cook for her that would be both nutritional and tasty!

I have done my best to always cook a balanced meal, based on vegan recipes I found online.
The problem is that she does not eat nearly enough to fulfill her dietary needs.

I try my best to make everything I can to help her with her diet, but it was just not enough!

So yeah, I know mixing chicken and eggs into her food without her knowing is shitty, but so is allowing a loved one to sink deeper into their own pit of personal despair without offering them any help to get out of said hole.

I will do whatever is necessary to help her, even if she hates me for it.

>>21884728
You're talking about a 13 year old who forces herself to barf not a ideologically driven nutrition autist who'll spend hours figuring out and preparing a special diet, the veganism is probably half just an excuse covering an developing eating disorder anyway, when females engage in this shit it's all kind of connected anyway, I know from personal experience lol

So yeah OP basically you're probably fucked, especially since you're coming to 4chan for parenting advice lmao, maybe you have a chance by trying to put together a "healthy" vegan diet not because that'll work, but because it'll make it boring and lame, this is probably tied up with self-harm impulses more than save the animals

>>21884839
Excellent point. This is very likely coping with body image issues.
>>21884825
Veganism is already an eating disorder. Have you considered talking to her about her body image? Perhaps she is unconfident in her body, and is using the eating disorder to cope?

If she feels fat then maybe share with her the fashion industry is ran by gay men who promote skinny women that look like boys. Normal men prefer chubby/venus body types on women. Social media is completely fake and engineered to make women feel unconfident, then purchase consumer products to fill the gap. It's literally bullying women until they hate themselves, then selling a fake solution (consumer product.)

>>21884839
>So yeah OP basically you're probably fucked, especially since you're coming to 4chan for parenting advice lmao,
I am a desperate man, and am seeking advice anywhere and everywhere at the samr time.>>21884839
>maybe you have a chance by trying to put together a "healthy" vegan diet not because that'll work, but because it'll make it boring and lame, this is probably tied up with self-harm impulses more than save the animals
I already do, the problem is not the food I give her, but the fact she will eat a small plate of it when she needed 2 full plates per her diet.

I really hope it is not related dto self harm impulses, but I will need to have her speak with a psych before jumping to conclusions.

>>21884852
>It's literally bullying women until they hate themselves, then selling a fake solution (consumer product.)
Somehow, this feels worse than covertly feeding her chicken, but will keep your sugestion in mind.

>>21884860
(same anon) other anon is completely right. She has an eating disorder due to lack of confidence. Veganism is the socially acceptable justification. Nobody seriously believes cheese is so poisonous they have to throw it up.
Talk to her about her body, it changing, and how women are portrayed in media/social media. This is the exact lack of confidence the fashion industry, makeup industry, "beauty influencers," consumer product sellers, social media, and surgical doctors prey on. Maybe talk about Diogenes or something lol. A minimalist hobo who jerked off in public, peed on people who called him a dog, made fun of philosophers that are greatly respected today, and still was respected by Alexander the Great, King of the region at the time.
Confidence is about being true to yourself, not finding shallow acceptance by what's popular, or what other people think you should be. Cool people are cool because they are unique and don't follow the crowd. Trend followers are lame and soulless.

>>21884569
>There is special place in hell for people like you. Try not to take too long to get there.
Have you considered that letting your daughter get raised by whatever filth brainwashed her to become vegan should have been forbidden in the first place? You did not prepare her for this world. It's your fucking job to figure out why she's being retarded about eating food and fix it. Trying to pander to her delusions won't help. She's a retarded kid, you should be able to figure out why, specifically, she thinks she needs to have a vegan diet and convince her that it's causing harm.
>doctor
Doctors are fucking scams now, the doctors have convinced people to undergo sex change operations to milk money out of them.

>>21884835
If its ED then you are absolutely going to destroy her mental health when she finds out you've been force feeding her animal products. You have fucked up irrevocably there, anon. I wouldn't tell her, ever.
I read the thread, you're worried that its an eating disorder and STILL you've forced her into it. ED is a mental health condition and you are absolutely making it worse, potentially beyond repair.
She needs help, anon. Not your "help". What happens, after years of force feeding her against her will, she grows up, moves out and starts cooking for herself? Without your "help" being ingested? She'll be 100x worse than now. Those nutrients will suddenly vanish and she will deteriorate rapidly. Its not sustainable.
If you are doing your absolute best, and you can honestly look her in the eyes and say you're doing your best, hitting every macro and amino and vitamin and supplement and she's still unwell and not eating enough, then she needs professional help. She needs a counselor or therapist NOW. Obviously she can't trust you to tell you what's really going on, cause look at what you're doing to her? Going behind her back and doing something that would cause her to literally make herself sick if she knew. And plus you're a parent and they don't want to tell you the real shit at that age.
If you are convinced its an eating disorder or body image issue, you are making it worse by doing this. Stop. Seek out help. Put away your pride and get her someone to talk to so she can learn to love herself, her body and fix her head around food so she isn't fucked up for life. Like fuck me dude, she's a child. How could she ever eat anything again after this? How could she trust anyone? Its fucked up man, but its not too late. Get her the help and support she deserves and you might just save her life.

>>21884901
Please don't ever have children. OP may have fucked up but you are fucked in the head mate. >veganism is brainwashing
>proceeds to claim medicine is a scam because trannies exist somewhere
>independent thinker everyone, definitely not brainwashed

>>21884910
Reading this I can't help but kind of idly think that yeah, the default and liability-aware were this not anonymous answer is to say get professional help immediately, but nowadays you've probably got a half decent risk of the therapist or psychiatrist deciding the problem is she's actually trans

with eating disorders being as impossible to deal with as they are hopefully there's some kind of specialist who does that exclusively you can look into

doing some kind of sports or exercise to increase appetite might be an idea

>>21884920
The eating disorder isn't the problem, it's a symptom and excuse. Her confidence is the problem. If she thought eating milkshakes would make her sexy then she would be a milkshake-erian. Get what I'm saying?

>>21884910
Woman brained post. Yes sneaking animal foods does harm trust. Yes she feels unconfident and is using veganism as the socially acceptable justification. Therapy is mostly a scam. He needs to have a real conversation about body image and keep touch with her about it.
>that would cause her to literally make herself sick if she knew.
Retarded reasoning. It's not OP's fault she is choosing to treat herself a certain way.
>>21884919
Shut up faggot
>veganism is brainwashing
Yes. And a justification to feel morally superior, or practice eating disorders.
>medicine is a scam because trannies
Correct. Any doctor who sterilizes children due to propaganda, should be banned from practicing medicine.
>um ahkshually you're the brainwashed one if you don't want to sterilize kids and sell the parts you cut off
Shut the fuck up. OP ignore this 80 iq retard.

>>21884919
>veganism isn't brainwashing
You're a fucking retard, the girl stuck her hand in her mouth to throw up because she ate some fucking cheese. If she finds out OP has been feeding her meat then she'll probably fucking kill herself because she's been brainwashed. There's no other fucking way to put it you mongoloid.

NTA but OP, my advice would be to stop sneak-feeding her meat but don't tell her you did it in the first place. She won't trust anything you say if you admit you lied. You do need to be upfront with her that you won't allow her to puke herself or starve herself or you'll send her to a mental hospital where there will be eyes on her 24/7 and they'll force feed her.

Women are much more susceptible to social media than men. I'd ask what kind of social media content she consumes relating to beauty, then check it yourself. I guarantee several are fake whores making vanity their identity. If 800k botted youtube subs are wrong, why wouldn't she trust them?
>>21884952
Institutions monetize mental illness by making it worse.

>>21884958
Yep but it's better than letting your child starve to death or rot her teeth out. It's mostly just a threat. Don't try to spy on her social media either, that's kind of invasive. Don't do sneaky shit. Just be upfront. You won't allow bulimia or anorexia.

>>21884922
Sure, but I think saying it's just confidence might jumping to conclusions or at least overly reductive, especially when it's about someone you haven't met. I'm (clearly) not above indulging in dimestore psychology but who knows what this shit is tangled up with, orthorexia is real, it's not impossible it actually is just regular albeit extreme "one shotted by factory farm video" veganism, social contagion, all fucking four of the suggested causes

either way you've got your work cut out for you bro

>>21884961
>Don't try to spy on her social media either, that's kind of invasive
The whole problem probably started because a smartphone raised her. You make it sounds like children have a right to get groomed by some fucking social media algorithm.

>>21884962
Bulimic response to accidentally ingesting a small amount of non-toxic cheese, is not a decision made out of moral grievance towards eating animals.
Social media and other industries monetize making people feel shitty until they buy a product. A very young woman taking extreme dietary choices, in line with eating disorders, generally caused by body dysphoria (not the tranny kind), indicates confidence problems, and trying to solve them via self harm tier dietary choices.

>>21884920
There are professionals who specifically and only treat eating disorders in minors. Don't let /pol/thought prevent that help from reaching your child when they need it most. Do your research, and it might take a couple to find one you're both comfortable with. But the root cause of it could be complex. Still, she's young, better sort it out properly now.
>>21884922
>He needs to have a real conversation
A conversation she might benefit more having with a professional than her dad. Therapy is understanding yourself and changing accordingly. Most don't understand how to navigate the complexities of the human condition
>It's not OP's fault she is choosing to treat herself a certain way.
He literally said she did that when she accidentally ate some. How would she react to having been fed it for a prolonged period of time? Might not be his fault she's like this, but it is his responsibility.
>justification to feel morally superior, or practice eating disorders
No, the majority of them do it because they believe in lessening their impact on the environment and the suffering of animals. Yes, some are insufferable preachy cunts who make it their entire personality. But it is done for ethical reasons.
>um ahkshually
Didn't say that. You claimed doctors and medicine are scams because trannies. If I break a leg should I let it heal on its own because trannies? If OPs child is sick, should he let her suffer alone because trannies? You're fucking retarded and you know it. You claimed medicine is a scam because trannies. Because less than 1% of the population got a sex change, all medicine and all doctors are bad. Good advice, never going to hospital again in case they cut my dick off.
>>21884923
Yeah, cause she's mentally ill, maybe. Its not brainwashing, I'm saying that she might genuinely believe in the ethical standpoint of veganism while ALSO being mentally ill. Two separate things can be true. And yeah, she might an hero, hence my point of seeking help.

>>21884977
>Its not brainwashing
>she just watched some videos and became "mentally ill"
That's called brainwashing. I don't understand how the fuck you can claim that getting fed propaganda and then developing mental disorders isn't brainwashing.

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>>21883844
Here's how you solve it.

>>21884982
shove your ass up your ass, loser

>>21884978
Didn't say that, and the two can be unrelated. Jesus fucking christ the reading comprehension. If she grew up confident, happy, emotionally stable and comfortable with herself and became vegan from something on the internet, she wouldn't just become mentally ill. Similarly, if she had a shit childhood, hated herself, extra sensitive and was bullied about her looks and became vegan she'd be susceptible to mental illness and vegan. Get it? You can be sound of mind and be vegan, you can be a fucking nutcase and vegan. You can consume all the CNN or FOX (thats real propaganda) you like and not be mentally ill or commit a crime because of it. Calling everything you don't like or agree with propaganda is some npc groupthink tier bullshit. The redditification of 4chan has been a disgrace. fuck me its all black and white with you directionbrainlets.
and yes, you can lose your mind and self harm in veganism as much as you can with model trains for fucks sake. The solution is still the same. Get help. You tards don't have a future or parents that cared, but this little girl does

>>21885018
>The redditification of 4chan has been a disgrace
tbf bro old 4chan would be asking for pics of her

>>21885069
there is still hope
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