can we have a dead webcomics thread?
>>143228658>June 23, 2021Ronnie, come back, we miss you...
>>143228658>I'm a hack with no substance, so here's a woman being a slut for a whole comic Good riddance it deserved to die
>>143228658that's just.. webcomics.It's sad you know, I looked at Kaz's success and thought hey I could do that.. and i'd actually maintain the schedule, too!Then I slowly realized A) there's no place to host something like that anymore, an get an audience, and B) Kaz is incredibly good at the whole running-a-merch-business thing, and even he can't juggle it and a webcomic, so what chance would I have?plus I'd wanna do it with a Nintendo IP and they're a lil more sue-happy.
>>143228658It was over before it even began.
>>143228792boy if I had a nickel for every webcomic that stopped because the guy's GF left him
>>143228851I shit you not this was the last comic featuring the two by Flargy-Filler. Bro didn’t even try.
>>143228658The site seems to be down, possibly expired, so unless there's someone who still cared about the comic enough to save everything its super dead now
>>143229257i hate when that happens. archiving never saves you when you need it to.RIP Bear and Kitten, you were a good comicoh god now i'm thinking about Copyrezo again, I realllly hope he's not dead.
Anybody read Bearmageddon? That was really going somewhere. the Axe Cop guy made it.
>>143228837>I can't beat Kaz 3 images per 3 yearsDamn son ur slow as a snail.
>>143228658Yellow onahole
>>143229382no I meanI couldn't run the merch side of things. a comic I can do (and have)
are webcomics dead as a medium?
>>143230039Yes, but people are still making them for some reason. Webtoons are popular but since they're a set format they're not the same, serving a different audience and medium. If you want to make traditional webcomics you need to find a niche audience that pays, or make highly shareable relatable one-shot comics for social media.
>>143230039dying, but not dead. I expect there will be massive social and/or legal barriers to future webcomic production, at least without the approval of a government-run oversight authority.
God I miss voihon so much.
>>143230189>social and/or legal barriers to future webcomic production, at least without the approval of a government-run oversight authorityThis is probably the most batshit insane post I've seen today.
>>143230396did you also say that about the last six or seven major social changes that people predicted? because I think failure to notice patterns qualifies as SOME kind of animal shit insane.
>>143230296You and me both brotherCan't believe it's going to have been a whole year tomorrow since he made his latest half-hearted and half-assed attempt at yet another comic
>>143230501hey you don't know how much of his ass and heart went into that.maybe he has lupus
>>143230478Anon, if anything, people are moving AWAY from increased government presence.
>>143230584The trend is toward greater restriction, is my point, and the government has already moved to the 'not going to defend your constitutional freedoms' area. the next logical step is to start enforcing these new artificial social standards legally. especially once there's no more corporations to stand in their way, those are going right out the door. so I guess it's not so much that webcomics will be banned, as that there will be no electricity, and doing drawings with rocks you found by candlelight will be banned.
Sure!
>>143230675I say this 100% unironically: Meds. You need to get back on your meds.
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A-ANY DAY NOW, MATILDABROS
>>143228658I have a file with a lots of joke and plot ideas for a webcomic but knowing myself nothing will get made, so I guess it is a stillborn webcomic.
>>143230891>can't finish deception>draws a hundred images to troll diivesbravo masterploxy
I really miss Bomango, but the new format cramped Van's style and wasn't making him enough money, so he fell to the dark side.
>>143230882uh huh. Keep living in denial, god knows I am too.You can already be fired for having the wrong views, art is definitely next or coming up. Hell look at the TOS of any webcomic host right now. Then tell me things aren't heading in a direction at least similar to what I said.
>>143230930that and the adpocalypse. can't have any slightly adult content anymore, it has to be blatant porn, so you can get the few porn advertisers. And those are rapidly disappearing as all payment companies have come out as anti-money.
I take my thoughts back. Webcomics aren't dead. Discussion on this site is dead because you can't have a webcomic thread on /co/ without someone trying to steer conversation to their political bait topic shit.
>>143231003>can't have a damn discussion in this volcanic fumarole without everyone sweating and complaining about the heat
>>143231003>Webcomics aren't deadI've been reading plenty of spiderforest stuff but nobody really knows them.
>>143228858I thought the webcomic stopped because he got a girlfriend and couldn't find it in himself to be a sadsack anymore.
>>143230948I have to ask: whatever happened to the days of companies that only cared about making a quick buck, and didn't care about morality. I really miss those days.
>>143231153>the days of companies that only cared about making a quick buck, and didn't care about moralityThat was a not very long period that lasted from around the 70's to the 2000's more or less.Media companies used to cater to the whims of conservatives quite a lot, the hays code and the comic book code used to exist after all.
>>143228658>dies in the middle of a chapter
>>143231104That's why Whomp! stopped. The breakup is why his new comic stopped.>>143231153right? morality is not their job. That's literally everyone else's job, and they aren't doin it.>>143231177businesses always tried to find ways of getting around that though, and as long as it was legal, it would exist.Maybe if we could get some sensible moralfags to lay down the law about how wrong it is to restrict -art- or to consider images, words, or ideas dangerous.
>>143228658Dead webcomic coming right up!
If not dead might as well be.
god, so many dead webcomics. it's depressing.. feels like knowing about all the cartoon pilots that didn't get picked up, but it's worse because they went on for a while before petering out.
>last page january 2019it still hurts
>>143231444lucky trips of sadness
>>143231491hang on, this looks familiar.. what was this? looks like something Pimmy would make. OR her sister Momo. I miss Momo's comics. Some Battling Monsters was tremendous.
They don't call 'em wood elfs for no reason
>>143231601this looks fun!
>>143231361Stay sad, Hollyfag.
>>143231712It is! Especially if you are a former Everquest player. last update in 2015 though (yes i'm old)
>>143231361Not dead but very bad and should be dead honestly>>143228658Personally I miss retarded sprite comics. Ansem Retort was so goddamn stupid but made me laugh my ass off
>>143231801i amn't, but I'm old enough to have had a friend who played it and talked about it a lot, decades back, who's no longer with us>>143232006yes! they were a lot of fun. I miss the gleeful copyright violation. Nobody was making money, everyone was having fun.
>>143228658I remember how Kazerad kept ragging on Andrew Dobson for his shit work ethic and unwillingness to deliver stuff on time. Turns out that he was just trollshielding his own lazy ass.
>>143230675>If they came to take your lolis away>they will surely come to put you in solitary confinement for picking up a crayon Wew.
>>143232642If only we had decades of history to illustrate how these things work, how they progress from stage to stage.
>>143232689Then please, post examples of such a slippery slope. Pol-pot's Cambodia didn't grow out of people being fired for going NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER, you know.
>>143232689Go on and elaborate, then. I'm very interested in hearing your explanation of how corporations are defending us all from the Webcomic Gestapo.
>>143230065I realized somewhat recently that there are people making webcomics in a way that feels like a time capsule from the 90s and 00s. All the shit about webtoons and social media just get the most visibility and make it easy to miss out on the fact that some people just kept chugging along with their niche and found a small community to keep things going. It's easy to get all doom and gloom about the state of things but people will keep making webcomics or really any kind of creative work under adverse conditions. Buying a domain and some hosting is still a thing. Admittedly though these big popular sites have trained people into becoming lazier and more passive about seeking things out.
>>143233046I’ve seen quite a few people chug along making a comic either on their own site in the past or webtoons now until they can land a proper media or comic gig and just stop.
Had a hand in killing it, too. I'm not sorry nor will I ever be
>>143231491Holy shit I completely forgot about this. Honestly might nab a few things from it for my own PMD TTRPG game. At least Shinon is still making her nuzlocke since... fuck since '11?
>>143233809Went to have a look at the deviantart account and seems like the creator may have plain died after a series of unfortunate events. Apparently there's a community discord server and a fan created continuation/ending being made.
>>143233046List some. Could use new reads.
>>143230904The dude kinda looks like javier milei
>>143231491Did that artist just straight up die or something? iirc they just like, randomly went dark and no one has heard from them since that comic after apparently mentioning there were some issues they were dealing with irl.
>>143228658NerdRageComic by Andy Kluthe>Last comic update was in November 2017, almost 7 years ago>Look him up on Twitter>Last post 14 hours ago>He/himIT'S OGRET'SOGRE
>>143234101Sluggy Freelance is still plugging away in its 27th year
>>143231316this and Cucumber Quest hurt me so much.
>>143230675you're psychotic anon.Webcomics aren't dying nor will they ever really die. If anything, there's so goddamn many these days the only reason a webcomic dies these days is lack of support from its audience or lack of support from the artist, not this idiotic notion of a whole genre of comics "being dead" simply because you refuse to read them.
>>143234636Freefall is still going! So is the longest running webcomic, Kevin and Kell.
>>143231556Victory Fire, a pokemon mystery dungeon webcomic
dead since 2011, author wanted to focus on his writing career on fantasy novels.
>>143236142>writing careerlmao, this nigger has written only one book ever since the hiatus. dude has given up.
>>143234699Cucumber Quest sucked tho
>>143233738>Had a hand in killing it, toohuh?
>>143236796I think anti-dev's patreon got nuked cause of some TOS violation, I'm guessing that guy was one of the reporters.
>>143228806Which webcomic is that?
>>143236785not at first it didn'tCQ was very much a 'modern cartoons' webcomic. Starts out great, turns super gay
>>143235915ohh so that's a pokemon, that's how i recognized it
>>143231252>stacking irl tragedies breaks webcomic artist from ever drawing in public againThese sorts of things hurt the most.Meanwhile Buckley is still making his crap.
>>143237733being tragedy-prone is basically artist 101
Come back to us, Almaverse.. Come back, Mintgreen. Habiti, gonna need you to come back too.
>>143237758I can't believe the shit that happened with Goblins (if you'd call that a tragedy). That shit came out of left field for me. Still drawing it though and I'm checking at least annually still.
>>143237828sorry, help out my solid bronze brain, are you saying you're the artist of the comic, and you're still drawing it, but the writer has disappeared?
>>143237846I forgot a "He's" in the last sentence.
>>143237858got it, i do that all the time.I did once fill in for a comic where the guy had gotten tired but still had scripts. I drew two, he put one of them up, then he resumed the comic. I think I motivated him by being so lousy.
>>143233738remind me about this guy again, I vaguely remember something about an incest fetish
>>143228792
>>143238314QRD:>incest focused furry artist makes brogulls: a drawn out incest webcomic about seagull brothers falling in love>Antidev becomes popular and makes more comics>news of a sexual assault comes out as well as numerous reports of him being a sex pest>usually claims its crazy exes (of which there are many) are spreading rumors >makes sequel comic to brogulls about their dad>starts out as a gay delivery boy dicking scenario>4 years later and instead veers into numerous melodramatic topics like suicidal ideation, getting old and abusive families >>143233738 >pic related was the final page before his patreon got banned > drops comic completely and starts working on another focusing on hyper muscles to win back audience
>>143238795I will never get used to, or be okay with, people pointing out the incest aspect of something when it's gay. The gay is a way, way bigger issue. And it mostly negates the incest concerns.
>>143228658Kaz pisses me off because he neglected to update his webcomic for so long but he uses /co/ so whenever threads roll around where people talk about Prequel he pops in to chat. Why spend time defending your webcomic instead of actually updating it?
>>143238841he's running the business sidegave me some great advice once, which tells me he was born to be a merch selling business guy, and it's a much more natural role for him than creative. He's got that manic energy.. that energy keeps you on /co/ looking at everything. He just needs to partner with someone like me, who can make stuff but can't into business or self-promotion for shit.
>>143230039They're not dead. It's just that the way of hosting them has changed; it used to be that people self-hosted their work, entirely self directed, with desktop oriented formats and focus on merchandising for income.NOW the meta is oriented around Webtoon and other webcomic aggregators. No one will read your comic if it's on it's own site. If you're on Webtoon you actually have bosses, the formats are oriented towards phones and income comes via Patreon and other sources but less reliant on stuff like t-shirt sales.Webtoon is dominated by female readers so their tastes direct what gets to be popular/profitable.
>>143238908>it used to be that people self-hosted their work, entirely self directed, with desktop oriented formats and focus on merchandising for income.first of all, no. That has never been common.what it used to be is that you got a free account on a free webcomic host, usually one with the versatility to customize your own site and zero restrictions on what to post, and then you did it for free until you got popular.. at which point ADS paid you. once ads died, all the free hosts died, except the mobile-focused ones, which are beyond unacceptable.
>>143238827Thank you for the redpill. When I fuck my sister, I will rest easy knowing at least it isn't gay.
>>143238921This came out more extreme than I meant it to.What's rare is being able to support yourself on merch. Obviously lots of people did host their own sites, but there was no advantage to that over being on keenspace or drunkduck or any of those others, except not having to share the ad revenue (But you had to pay your own hosting, and the hosts were free)>>143238938damn straight.
>>143229399She's so smug!
>>143230948Adpocalypse wasn't just because of scary 'adult' content. Basically advertising wasn't working as well as the buyers of adspace had been lead to believe. People were overpaying for ads that weren't performing. Interest rates went up. Webcomics at the time were basically subsidized by ads and so without them proved to not actually be all that profitable. I've seen conflicting reports about Webtoon's profitability as well but they might be intentionally operating at a loss to smother the market and gain control of it themselves, not sure.At the end of the day, creators need to pay rent and put food on the table. It takes too long to make a comic to seriously expect people to be able to produce them in their free time after work to entertain their readers for free, they need to be able to pursue it as a day job in order to have good output. A webcomic can only survive if it's readers put their money where their mouth is and give money in some fashion, because advertising just isn't it. Webcomics compete with a lot of free content as is, so it makes sense for readers to not want to tip or buy books, and it makes sense for the creators to quit when they aren't making enough.
>>143230039Technically no but they might was well be. TLDR the internet getting centralized basically killed all the "infrastructure" around webcomics that had built up over the years while also taking attention away from the medium in general. >>143238908>>143238921>>143230948IIRC the adpocalypse really only affected webcomics who were trying to do penny arcade style stuff with multiple pages a week and/or were already struggling to get an audience. I cant think of any actually successful comics that got killed off by lack of ad revenue.
>>143239078The truth is webcomics that are started and ended purely over money are never going to be successful ad revenue or no.
Webcomics always had really shitty update schedules. They wouldn't update or they'd go on hiatuses or they'd dripfeed only a few pages per week. Webmanga (under traditional print management) and webtoons are way better just in terms of reliable updates and the amount of content you get.>>143239415Webcomics that *start* as financial endeavors are doomed. But lots of good webcomics justifiably end due to money. If it isn't your day job you're already devoting 8+ hours out of your day to paying work+commute. And then you STILL need time to dedicate to cooking, cleaning and other household tasks and errands. And then if you're a well adjusted person you probably want to dedicate some time to friends and family. It is entirely justified for a person to conclude that, "I need to focus on something that will make money because I want to adequately provide for my wife and kids." I don't think it's fair to look down on someone who quits a webcomic due to money especially once they're out of college and don't have so much free time anymore.
I miss a webcomic where a guy dates a nidorina I cant remember the name of it or the artist but I know Ive seen their stuff here and read it on exhentai
>>143239544Queenie & Anon's Adventure?
>>143239544Shoutingisfun . It's still going just slowly
>>143239510Yeah people often come up short on realizing this when they complain that someone updates at a snail's pace or outright quits making stuff.
>>143239510>webtoons are way better just in terms of reliable updates and the amount of content you get.Webtoons and tapas are in no way an improvement. They bring their own flaws to the table on top of still having all the same problems webcomics have always have.
I love "Elf" so much. Too bad it's practically comatose.
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Elf Only InnDied somewhere in 2008
This one could be the posterchild for dead comics, given it's the only one I know of that got a firm, unquestionable statement from the author that "this comic is 100% dead and will never, ever be returned to in my life, ever."Nearly everything else, they just stop updating. You're left with the perpetual hope, always fading but never gone, that the author may emerge from long hibernation to pick up their onus once more. Not Erfworld. Erfworld is deader than Bunny, than Wanda, deader than... well, if you know you know.But I still miss it.
I hope you're still alive, Carrion Girls anon.
Comics are too much work. How do people do them for free?
>>143231316Man I miss Poppy and trash knight
>>143237828>the shit that happened with GoblinsRecap pls?
>>143240878Eh, it's like exercise, you have to deliberately suffer and practice at it until you love the pain of drawing as a hobby.But the beginning and the effort to get there SUUUUUCKS, and most people don't have the time to commit to get to that level because life gets in the way. Or their wrist breaks, for some curiously common reason.
>>143239078yes yes that too. I wondered how long it would take for ad-supported shit to collapse, when nobody looks at ads or buys the products in themanyway you can get really far on a few random tips and donations, we need to get back into the habit of that, and less subscription models.>>143239352What i was talking about, and forgive me if this wasn't clear or I misspoke, is when advertisers all scrubbed anything with the slightest 'adult' content to it. When Brad and Leslie Brown had that one basically normal webcomic, which out of hundreds of pages had ONE with a boob in it, they were forced to censor it years after it had already been up. Why that is legal, I have no idea. Employers are under so much restriction, yet other money-give-contracts can yank the rug out from people.My point wasn't that the comics shut down from lack of money, but that creativity was ground into the dust. The Browns just moved to Slipshine to do nonstop deviant porn. The basis of what webcomics were built on? doing whatever you want? Violating the restrictions of the main media? That has been obliterated. Nobody's doing "just slightly transgressive" anymore. it's squeaky clean or smut, no in between.
>>143240684hehehe. this is pretty good.>>143240850Ditto! Not only was that comic good, but the GUY was cool. And there was historically-accurate casual nudity!
>>143240878similar to TV animation, there's a LOT of corners you can cut, to make things faster.That's why comics of all types tend to have really extra detailed and carefully-colored art on the cover, because the artist CAN do that, but can only budget it for single illustrations.
Mostly short comics with promising starts that died early or sputtered outNecahualInterritusDevil's FavouritesElfFighting DreamersYellowish - this one died because the creator got caught on the Ukraine War.
>>143241021I've been doing a webcomic for a few years and can confirm if you aren't doing gag-a-day or porn you will fucking suffer. It doesn't help that social media is being alot more strict on slamming down anything with a link, even if you're putting it in the image itself. Alot of webcomic related groups or places have been taken over by the most bland ones where you'll get drowned out simply because they've got the time to shit out 7 a week while you only got time for maybe 5 updates per month. On top of that, people are not as willing to explore like in the golden days of webcomics. You were expected to venture out, find these weird new comics from word of mouth or browsing. Now? People only really give bother to look if it's front page on tapas/Webtoons or someone popular shills it. There steadily isn't an in-between as I see more creators who were doing their plot-driven comics giving the 'gag a day' a try out of frustration and it always fuckin works. Hell even I briefly tried it and got annoyed that it was picking up traction for what was the most low-effort thing I've ever written in my life.
>>143241089>Necahualso nice. I really hope to see it continue>putin killed a comicwell I was already going to snap his neck if I ever magically teleported next to him, but now i'm going to savor it.>>143241199>webcomic related groups or placestell me about it. and communities ain't much better. Trolls ruin everything. As usual, all it would take is a single entrepreneur making an alternative, which would instantly be popular due to there being so few good choices, but.. people are too tired. too tired to explore and browse, too tired to start anything newalso Google fucking destroyed the ability to find -anything- anymore. Basically all private websites are ghosted. You can't find anyone's handmade personal anything. Again, any competition would instantly win, but nah let's not bother (also they really can't, because non-google webcrawlers are all blocked now by default. which is also massively illegal.)
>>143240533To me it feels like the promise of the internet as it existed in the 2000s just completely collapsed and fell through. The vast majority of web-based entertainment and reportage is deeply flawed in some way that is difficult to ignore. As far as comics go you as a consumer are far better off keeping up with manga, much of which gets same day translations now. And no I'm not even talking about web manga, I'm talking about the stuff that still runs in PRINT MEDIA or stuff that is digital exclusive under a PRINT MEDIA banner. More reliable schedules, more content, better art. All possible because Japanese people are basically subsidizing it for the rest of us because they still buy physical goods. >>143241021As is I think the evidence has born out that consumers actually prefer subscription models, which provided isn't overly supplied, does allow more successful things to subsidize the less popular things. It's really hard to get people back to directly paying for the one thing they actually enjoy.
>>143241199>and can confirm if you aren't doing gag-a-day or porn you will fucking sufferwebtoons more or less killed aynthing that isn't romance comics, porn or instagram meme comicsspiderforest is more or less the only thing left to make a community out of non-standard webcomics.
>>143241326the kind of consumers who prefer subscription models are the kind who will do whatever you tell them.I'm so sick of people trying so hard to meet the desires of the flightiest customers. -they will follow.- it's in their nature. and honestly you don't want them.In any case I didn't mean paywalling individual things to buy them, that's as dumb as paying for music. I just meant goodwill donations (you know, tax-free). A lil tip jar on the front page. If you make that easy and simple, people will do it. But if your comic has any nono content, it's impossible to receive any money for it.
>>143241364>Spiderforestfascinating.. it's curated for quality, that already makes it very odd. And it has what appears to be a maturely-handled, not-one-size-fits-all approach to content restrictionThat said, I can't work under these conditions.
>>143241364What I write next will probably be upsetting, but what you are observing with Webtoons was entirely predictable based on changing demographics of who uses the internet now. Webtoons caters to the average normie who would have any interest in comics whatsoever which is to say: chicks.Guys straight up read less. They read novels less and they read comics less. Reading is an activity dominated by women, the Western publishing industry only exists because women buy the hell out of romance novels. We've had threads here with guys sharing their webcomics/webtoons wondering why they weren't getting traction when the reality was that they were making things for a male audience that just didn't exist on the site/app. There are cultural differences here, in East Asia guys enjoy reading more and they pay for it so more media gets made to cater to it. I don't know if you can really blame Webtoon for this when this has been a known issue in education and publishing for years.
There was a comic that ended instantly. This android guy had bird legs. There was a shark girlRing any bells for anyone?
>>143241555I mean yeah, for my entire life education has been seen as a female thing. yet for some reason we have to push 'more girls in __' even when they mostly dominateWhat was that one clip, "woman outraged that only 51 percent of such and such are women" something like that.
>>143241555>What I write next will probably be upsetting, but what you are observing with Webtoons was entirely predictable based on changing demographics of who uses the internet nowNo denying that, but I don't think anyone expected the established readerbase of old format comics to straight up evaporate. Remember: Back then there were whole communities for webcomics, and communities rarely dissappear it happened here.
>>143241673The readerbase is here. the comics and hosts evaporatedsmackjeeves literally broke compatibility with all of its comics, in a clumsy attempt to become Tapas, and then shut down instead of repairing or reverting it. Just all that history, gone. And good luck finding anything archived anymore, even the archive sites are avoiding anything too spicy. Hell you can't even access google cache anymore. they shut it down because people were using it to read articles for free.
Ronnie even removed himself from twitterthe only webcomic that needs to return, ild even take a random fart joke out of nowhere once a month
>>143241742Spiderforest is literally a reaction to smackjeeves but it isn't a fraction of what smackjeeves was.Total readerbase for "weird webcomics" has collapsed since it's peak in 2017-2018. I dunno, homestuck's collapse cursed the whole hobby.
>>143241786>it collapsed since 2017well of course it fucking did, you can't have a readerbase with no comics. that's like saying TV viewership has gone down. there's nothing fucking on.but yeah there are some trends, Homestuck was definitely involved.
>>143241669>>143241673Education has leaned female for a century now but there used to be gender parity when it came to the audience of books and comics. Over time that shifted and from my experience working in the field it's most likely due to boys/men finding video games and other hobbies to be more attractive and fulfilling. There's definitely content still being made they'd enjoy they just prefer other things more. Of the guys who would still enjoy comics I think manga is just more accessible.For audiences conditioned to binge things these guys don't need to invest in ongoing manga either, they're content with reading stuff like Naruto which has been completed so they can just race through it's archives. And Naruto is just an example, there's tons of enjoyable male oriented manga going back decades that has been fan translated and is easily pirated if they don't feel like spending money. How can new webcomics compete with that.
>>143230891Kek what's this one?
>>143241262They're not too tired. The readership that was there got older and lost track of things what with being busy with work and families. Zoomers and Gen Alpha are used to apps and algorithms and that's what they prefer. They aren't too tired to browse they just don't find browsing as we understood it to be appealing.I think there's definitely merit to the assertion that sensitive advertisers killing a lot of comics too in that it shunts a lot of creators and readers to porn. In a sense, I think that's just what the readers want deep down. You saw this with the decline of erotic thrillers, when given the option to Just Watch Porn the audience will do that instead and erotic thrillers stop being profitable. You see this with Korean pornwhas. Since creating porn is illegal there all that energy and money gets directed towards long form stories with erotic appeal. I think this suggests that a comics environment would be healthiest if advertisers would be willing to tolerate suggestive content and if porn was more inaccessible.
>>143241950>The readership that was there got older and lost track of things what with being busy with work and familieswhat did you think I meant by 'tired' ??
>>143241950You don't really think there's a gen alpha do you
>>143241999misunderstood>>143242013unfortunately that's what they call them
>>143242019I mean that's still Z. Not only is there not a new generation yet, there probably never will be. Appropriate we hit the letter Z at the same time they essentially found a cure for adulthood.
>>143241803I hard disagree with your "no comics" statement. I don't think we will ever run out out of themLike the ennui go fag says, for an artist the only thing worse than making art is not making art->>143241950I do agree with the ageing readership argument, but still, there's a demand - those people haven't just fucking died or dissapeared to some dad dimension. I'm surprised no subreddit or facebook group or whatever hasn't surfaced at all.>>143242013>>143242019>>143242042gens are a meme but cultural trends will be always able to be quantified in time for as long as society keeps adapting to changes in the enviroment aka technology.
Every time I want to think that people don't care about long running content with connected stories, another Skibidi gets millions of views. Maybe the problem is how and where the content is being made/shared.
>>143242191If I want indie animation I can go to YouTube.If I want indie games I can go to Steam.Where can I go to find indie comics? Deviantart?
>>143242191Now that tiktok has slides it is arguably a better place to upload. Same with twitter.
>>143242105It was in response to "readerbase for "weird webcomics" has collapsed..."How can they read weird webcomics when there aren't any>Ennui Gothat guy is so hard to hate, but impossible to love. Respect is had, at least.>trends as society changesyes, and it isn't anymore. any more than technology is.
>>143242287Weird webcomics died because why alienate a possible audience when you can get all the audience. Water it down for max profit. KSBD and Unsounded are weird, right? How weird you talking?
>>143242287>yes, and it isn't anymore. any more than technology is.oh boy you have no idea what's coming
>>143242359this still qualifies to me as "Technology isn't changing anymore"it's been stuck this way since the late teens at the very latest.>>143242342weirder than that. also those are huge names.
>>143242342>KSBD and Unsounded are weird, right?yes. KSBD is more "out there" and Unsounded standard fare for it's generation. But definitely weird.>>143242388technology is changing, just towards the streamlining of things.
>>143242393that's called erosion
>>143242359Poor gal. Grandma fucked up with the present.
does this board know about Poorly Planned Comics?https://plorg.neocities.org/ppc/
>>143242460oh this is fantastic. I'm saving thisand in return, http://www.lefthandedtoons.com
>>143242191It depends on your social bubble. People liking ACTUAL stories always exist, you are just unlucky to not run into many of them.
>>143230891based
>>143242576I feel bad for a lot of things I would have loved as a teenager finally existing, but too dry to hold my over-the-hill zero energy attention span. All those cool crazy fantasy stories with serious deep plots.. want to send them back in time, they would have been a good influence on me. But I just don't have it in me now.>>143242606what else do I know this artist from
>>143242273With google's war against adblockers its apathy towards its own content creators, tiktok may well overtake youtube in the near future.
>>143242621Tbh for the longest time I thought that Ramshackle pilot was done by the same artist as this comic (Warrior U), but I was just misremembering.It seems they have a newer project on their Gumroad
>>143242743>they haveit's a group? I like comics that are made by groups.
>>143228806But she was a relatable slut.
I'm reading random recs from that spiderforest mutual advertising gimmickI swear to god this is the fifth comic I'd read that stars a schizophrenic homosexual snowflake that gets a multipages pity-fest coupled with self-hate episode because he fumble a single social interactionart is lovely tho'
>>143242621>But I just don't have it in me now.Quitter.>but I'm old nowDid not know boomer mentality of "you must stop having fun once you're an adult" is that strong.
>>143242806Its one person, you egghead
>>143242959they need editors
>>143243020kek how, spiderforest is a collective, not a publisher. they don't control their members.
>>143242959i should have known their rigorous standards would let in that stuff.>>143242995I do nothing but have fun. that's why anything that requires the slightest effort feels like an ordeal. my dad tried to warn me. but he died of a panic attack so I was kinda right.
>>143243019well that's not a they then, is it. singular 'they' is only for a potential person, not an ID'd one.>>143243050What is the benefit for them I wonder. just networking? I could do without that, honestly. I want a publisher.
>>143243083>What is the benefit for them I wonder. just networking?and hosting your comic, among some activities which I presume are reserved for the central clique that runs the thing.
>>143243083Here comes the English major wanting to flaunt their useless degree in 4chan, kek
>>143240789At least the first book is a fully self-contained story, and a complete comic. We'll always have that.
>>143243157awi miss being part of a clique. it's amazing how difficult that is with artists.>>143243194excuse me for disliking engineered social changeDespite their claim that this has always been the use (like, disproven by watching any tv show), people only talk that way because some tranny browbeat them into doing it, so i'm browbeating them back. And because I haven't been taking estrogen, my brow is heavier and hairier. You don't wanna get beaten with that.
>>143243259Just keep your autism bottled up next time, chief, don't need to sperg out every time. If you can identify the error, you know what the post was trying to say.
>>143243336>Just let them walk all over you, anon. it's fine! you're overreactingsomeday you'll notice the bootprints on your back, and change your tune. don't come crying to me, i'll be dead by then.
>>143243067That was unexpected, your life must be difficult.
>>143243259nta but people hate being manipulated and because they can't do do anything to the faceless bigshots they will attack you instead. "How dare you make me feel bad!No one tells me what do!" Stupid right?
>>143240684>>143240669It is so fucking based. A true 10/10 gem
>>143243653basically yeah
>>143228658https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jLIYEsC-84
>>143243259>i miss being part of a clique. it's amazing how difficult that is with artists.story?
>>143244038Given their posts in this thread, one can surmise they're too unpleasant to hold friendships withMany such cases
>>143243194>ere comes the English major wanting to flaunt their useless degree in 4chan, keknow say it without sounding mad
>All the interesting webcomics have either been wiped or died before getting anywhere>crap like bittershit candy bowl has been chugging along since I was a actual childI cannot STAND this shit
>>14324407320th century thoughts are "unpleasant" to them, yes.
Literally all they had to do was fuck.
>>143244199this but with the gamercat
>>143244118*all the interesting webcomics that you cared forFixed that for you.
>>143244267Yes, I'm still mad about it and my point still stands
>>143244118webcomic artists don't make a bloated piece of shit with a thousand plot points that'll collapse under it's own weight challenge IMPOSSIBLE edition
>>143244199This one is interesting because the author is clearly as left as it gets, but there was underage nudity and all kinds of unPC fun, at least early on
>>143244118To be fair, Bittersweet Candy Bowl hasn't gotten anywhere either.
>>143244267Nta but I can be fucking mad that I think shit sucks now and you can't do a goddamn thing about it. Shut up redditor
What about webcomics that just finished their run? I remember one about a rabbit/mouse girl that had vaguely vulgar humor I used to follow on tumblr years ago, forgot the name but I remember the creator announced he was stopping it instead of disappearing or indefinite hiatus.
>>143244249i miss Gamercathey they shouldn't fuck! They're pets, they should be fixed.
>>143244573oh i know the one you're talking about, fuck. what was it.. i can't even picture it, but I loved it and I remember it.
It didn't die, but Narbonic is one that I keep going back to reread every once an a while. Skin Horse didn't really hit the same for me.
>>143244501You have the right to be mad, just don't claim what you loved is all that is good.
>>143244661I remember one were the main male character was a vampire and sucked the period blood from the girl
>>143230675Corpos are the ones censoring the most actually, but since they are le hecking wholesome lgbt friendly, the trannies in this board defend them to hell and back, just take a look at the disney threads
>>143244704those are monopolistic corporations run by china, they don't count. they're twisting things to turn you against business so you'll kill off their competition first.
>>143244743That actually makes sense, both russia and china have been donating to both blm and antifa organizations since the last few years, a good way to destabilize america as a whole
>>143244855exactly. plus a bunch of other shit. the fact that we've caught them, and nobody has done anything about it or refused to be influenced, means there's no point having any hope for the future. just ride it out.
*sips* yep, it's an election year alright
>>143244898an election implies two different parties. this is a media farce.
>>143244704Another anon butting in this amazing conversation, but always remember that>the government>the corporationsare NOT completely different, or opposing entities. It's just groups of people. And when it is the same KIND of people, then the 2 are completely the same.
>>143245113that's a healthy attitude.I also remember the wise words of Dr. Dasse, if you just take out the -ism, it's all just things we care about.
>>143244397>IMPOSSIBLECan you tell me more about this? I'm thinking about doing a webcomic and have a lot of ideas so maybe you can tell me how to fuck it up. What are some common things that make a webcomic boring/unpleasant?
>>143242959>I swear to god this is the fifth comic I'd read that stars a schizophrenic homosexual snowflakeoh, the latest one innovated: He's isn't just a schizophrenic homosexual, he's schizophrenic leukemic homosexual with deformed genitals
>>143245514aaaand the comic diedhttps://tgtahr.spiderforest.com/index.php?comic_id=281
This one kind of hurt
>>143245652Indeed. he's a cool guy too. miss croakin' with him. Why must the best always get worn out.
>>143245688I mean, I get it. His comic was always niche and could never be anything more than a side project plus the story was a bit too ambitious for a webcomic that isn't that popular. Him becoming a dad was just the final nail in the coffin. Still sucks tho
>>143245706oh that's right! lucky.. i'd rather have kids than a webcomic. but the barrier to entry is a lot lower on one than the other..
>>143244696No faggot, I'm going to say what I want and your gay cynicism isn't going to stop me. If some of my favorite webcomics sucked shit I'll say it, but I won't act like I didn't enjoy it and I won't act like I still don't enjoy it.I apologize for being such a raging sperg, but I've had enough of this reddit tier "uhhhhh actually that's your opinion" bullshit over the past few years. Like yeah no shit Sherlock that's my opinion, what are you trying to say?
>>143245825I'm with you on this one, even if your initial replies were unnecessarily petulantanon had no reason to 'correct' your obviously-opinion-based statement
>>143238890>selling shitty, overpriced bootleg Elder Scrolls merch = financial geniusJust guessing here Anon, but do you by any chance have an Esty shop?
>>143246724I'm measuring success by sales numbers, anon. Not by .... your opinion of its appeal, or something?also a lot of what he's selling is pretty cool. Or it was the last time I checked.I know what I'd sell if my comic got big. Shirts and hats for sure, but then trading cards, pogs, and if I could muster it, cosplayesque clothing items based on the characters. Like if some dude has a headband, sell that headband.I think that's actually attainable. It won't happen, but just the fact that it could makes me feel good. Just like the harsh reality that I could never sell -articulated toys- based on my stuff makes me feel bad. Because that is the dream. that and vidyagames.
>>143246724also all I said is that he's clearly a born business guy, that's not the same thing as financial genius or even accusation of success. You can be one and have not sold a single thing yet, I was talking about the attitude.
>>143245841Yeah it's cool. I've been a little more on edge lately and being on a vietnamese basket weaving forum gives me more of an excuse to be a sperg. I just can't stand that kind of outlook the older I get. Thanks for at least agreeing with me and seeing where I'm coming from anon
>>143247011right? I have been in a real angry spell.
I keep meaning to get around to the In Our Shadow sequel.
>>143247244This comic seems to be active.
>>143230904>keeps teasing it coming back occasionally just to make sure the wound never healsAbsolute bastard
>>143245511A serialized webcomic is a marathon. It's a long slog of specialized effort towards a goal. Treating it like a walk in the park causes most people to dawdle aimlessly for a long time, and give up partway through. The steps to ensuring success are similar:1.) Training.You should be good at running before even attempting a marathon, and a webcomic is no different. It's good to do a few short comics before even attempting a larger webcomic, so you can get down your general process, stylistic choices(cut corners when possible!), writing style, etc.. If you can't even tell a good story in 8 pages, 8000 pages won't be enough either. If you stumble upon an idea you really like, you can re-use it later. 2.) Prep.Getting some water and proper footwear can be the difference between an alright time and a PB. Similarly, some forethought can make the difference between a good webcomic and a great one. Mapping the landmark plot points of the story, having a thesis that all the elements of the comic stem from, a general understanding of the main characters. All simple stuff, but very impactful in the grand scheme of things. Not that you have to make a first draft of the whole thing at once, but having a bit of prep work allows you to gauge how far you are along, and about when you should stop. 3.) Doing it. If you did steps 1 and 2, you should be prepared to try a serialized webcomic. Most authors recommend having a bit of a back catalog in the can before you start posting. That way, you can see about how long it takes you to complete a page on average at your chosen level of quality, and you can make your release schedule match pace. Then once you have a decent back catalog in place, a schedule that you've been sticking to for making pages, and some host for your webcomic, you can start posting.P.S. You may notice that this stuff is mostly on the side of writing. Reason for that is, good writing can save shit art, but good art can't save shit writing.
>>143244199Pixie Trix comics is chugging away very successfully. Gisele Lagace is an absolute beast with her work ethic and apparent business acumen. She doesn't need to do webtoon to be successful, she works on a crap ton of projects and has people under her employ from what it seems like.If you're unaware she recently penned some sort of deal to get her works adapted. I'm personally hoping it isn't all live action shit. Her art style is so nice I'd like to see it animated.
>>143247461I'll be honest that main reason I keep pursuing webcomics is cause indie got too stressful for me. Everyone thinks crowdfunding campaigns are easy but they're a pain in the fuckin ass when it comes to printing/shipping if you don't have a publisher. Even with a publisher (if you went through all the hoops to get signed) is another can of worms in itself. Yeah I'm fuckin lazy but at least I can make a site, upload a webcomic and call it a day than spending a few weeks glued to my email while at my day job making sure everything is shipped and answering backer emails.Just a bit of venting. The only downside with webcomics is just reach/audience and obviously money. Somewhat chance to make some cash with indie but fuck me I've done that headache twice and it burnt me the hell out.
>>143234458>Did that artist just straight up die or something?Legitimately possible, but there's no proof of anything.Just straight up one of the "last online X years ago" deals.
>>143242617reminds me of this
>>143247244I couldn't get into his original comic like I did his goofy nuzlockes.He was really good about finishing them at least.
>make a comic with a bunch of cool fantasy shit>kill it because you realize you let feature creep get to you>switch to a really dry british colonial story with only some fantastical elements hiding hundreds of pages inGoddammit, this shit sucks.
>>143240850>>143241040I know the author. I'll forward him your well wishes
>>143247615>BERN: Platinum Hard-Mode hasn't been updated in over a decadeIt still hurts...
>>143245511In my opinion the problem with most webcomic creators is that they get lost in the endless horizon of internet publishing. Doubly so because there are no editors to hold them back and tell them that they need to cut something. As a consequence a LOT of webcomics bloat their page counts on stuff that should have been shorter, which can really add up if said webcomic only updates once a week and takes the occasional hiatus. So that's, what, 40 pages a year? There are so many webcomics I've seen who would waste a shitload of those pages on stuff that doesn't matter. Even something like Unsounded, which updates three times a week, save for between-chapter hiatuses, is still telling its story 10 years later. And that's a comic I consider to be rather tightly scripted.So my advice would be to work out a page allotment beforehand, and to tailor your script accordingly. It's also simply just neat to keep chapters confined to a predetermined amount of pages. Otherwise you're going to have one of those comics that only starts its story after 5 years, and we all know will never finish telling it. Then just stick to it. Don't give in to the temptation to run with some event and drop dozens of pages on it. Thick ahead about how important something is to the story you're going to tell, and how many pages should be spent on it. Keep things lean, and keep things moving. Cut inconsequential things from your script. If you're one of those rare people who sticks with it for a decade, I want to have the impression 10 years from now that I read something where a lot of stuff happened, not that the story is just getting started.
>>143247641and then she had to put gay shit in itstill don't understand why she fucking wiped plague race even
>>143247736She got halfway there realizing that she was planning more shit than she would ever have time to draw.She just decided to wipe everything and start over with a new comic instead of wiping everything and restarting the same comic but with realistic expectations.To be fair, PR had gay shit too.
>>143247828yeeah but likeIt's way more in your face now I think and it just started really being in your face halfway throughI still like it, I just liked it moreI just think it's a bit forced
>>143247837Guess that's fair.Think it was just these two panels that suggested anything at all.
>>143247881yeah I don't see it without stretching my imagination to unreasonable levels with binder -> ftm
>>143234524granted, he could have a job in the creative industry, and pronouns in bio is a necessary political signal when you're there
>>143247713The problem is many webcomic creators don't have an ending or any idea where the story will go, so they just stop when they get bored of making it.For example Bloomin Faries has been going since 2010 and despite the creator ending the original comic there was almost no plot and it instead focused more on adding more and more characters.Even after deciding to remake it from the beginning there isn't a plot, though the comic seems to be focusing more on the core characters instead of spending years on random characters that were introduced for no reason.
>>143247915What would a guy be wearing a binder for?
>>143247976honestly I haven't read prague race for so long I thought that was binder as in "human binder" as in "he who binds" and was some magic shit but like even then, a single throwaway panel in a single page among hundreds instead of>OH MY GOD I AM SO GAY FOR MY BEST FRIEND JESUS I WANT HIS DICK INSIDE ME SO MUCH OH FUCK I'M CUMMINGover and over and overis a uhtad different donchathink
>>143247989Yeah, s'why I said your comment was fair.I just thought "stretching the imagination" was too far in the other direction of pretending it doesn't even exist.
First it was an actual publishing deal, then it was redoing the beginning in colour and now I suspct it's a contract thing becuase the author is publishing actual volumes and those volumes are continuing the story.
no
>>143248035:(
>>143234636Is it just me or are Zoe's boobs bigger than they are usually drawn?
>>143228658Boy do I have something for you.
>>143248235The actual last page, from Augustus 2021
>>143248244But don't worry, Chochi has actually shown he has been working on the next page of Beatriz Overseer......in July 2023https://www.furaffinity.net/view/53074792/
>>143241742Comic genesis still exists, by the way.
>>143248244>i love KSBD>read previous postOh
>>143247244I had no idea there was a sequel, thanks anon.
>>143228858Sinfest didn't stop, but Tats went off the deep end and may as well have been replaced by a politically obsessed skinwalker.
>>143249097Can you blame him? The whole world went off the deep end with this lgbt shit
>>143247950Well yeah, having an ending in mind is usually part of scripting. It doesn't have to be set in stone or anything, but the plot needs to move somewhere. And it's not impossible to treat a comic like a TV show. As in, solve one issue, evolve the characters and setting, and then start a new "season". That way you can have a satisfying ending in there, but still keep going. But my big gripe is that I've read two webcomics recently that were both nice, with good art and interesting characters, and both are really only just getting started with their narrative. Both are 10 years old.>>143249078I think it was an online relationship, and it was never real in the first place. Some weird shit like that. I can imagine it's hard to take for someone with such obvious self-loathing as Ronnie.
>>143245825What I was trying to say is there is MORE good shit you did not know about then.
>>143247615
>>143248235>>143248244>>143248250Chochi is a funny bunny.
>>143248250eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>>143242621>what else do I know this artist fromhttps://warrior-u-thecomic.tumblr.com/post/131340634615https://aishathani.gumroad.com/https://aishathani.tumblr.com/
>>143249216he went off the deep-end waaaay before T was in LGB. Sinfest went from a silly newspaper-style comic, to a feminist Nordic-model diatribe, to now Stonetoss 2.0
>>143250043Yeah, that's the thing. It's not so much weird that he went mad, just that he did it twice with no sign of slowing down. These days he's going after the Jews, too. Man, I had a good laugh showing the state of the comic to a friend who used to read it.
>>143250200i used to have some of the comics taped on my door as a teen. feels bad man.
>>143233738I don't think this comic is dead. Most likely in hiatus but a lot of people liked it and hopefully when the artist gets back on his feet the comic will continue.
>>143238795You forgot to mention that most if the melodrama is gay IT bird being mad his dad doesn't 100% support his lifestyle of self harm and fucking random dudes.
>>143240850>>143241040I am alive. Uh, sorry about the years of silence with no explanation.I'm not sure about Carrion Girls;I'd like to start it back up sometime this year, but I'm wary of making any promises given my own track record.
>>143251382Work slow, work a little. Just don't stop entirely and 4ever. That's my suggestion.
>>143251455Don't remind me; I was kicking myself for being too slow back when I was working on it, but even if I'd never gotten faster or more reliable I'd have been almost done with it by now if I'd just stuck with it.But the best time to plant a tree is right now and all that. I'll try to focus on making something rather than beating myself up over my past mistakes.
>>143250497Kinda forgot about that. I do know firsthand however the abusive dad was a straw man of the dude he got raped irl. It's also just more hilarious that a comic that, eons ago at the beginning, teased that thered be gay porn. not only did the audience get cock teased for almost 4 years, the dude put in a straight sex scene instead. > B-but he drew gay sex after! After enough fans bitched about it. The fact he dropped it so quick without any resolution just shows he was only stringing them along to maximize the patreon bucks
>>143251382No worries. I'm happy to see you're still around and still drawing, even if it's on other projects. You do good stuff.
>>143251730Thanks. No other drawing projects worth mentioning, sadly. I'll have some rust to shake off as I try to start back up.
>>143241673But did the readerbase evaporate? I think what a lot people forget in these types of discussions is that the amount of attention required to be considered "a hit on the internet" used to be a lot lower.
>>143252332This is a good point. That said, webcomics seemed to have failed to grow their readership despite the rest of the internet growing. I do think a lot of old fans moved on once they started working full time. Other fans moved onto manga once that became more accessible. New readers didn’t really come in. /co/ is legit the best place you can go for discussion about a lot of comics and cartoons but it can’t sustain discussion about webcomics or webtoons. This place doesn’t really try either.
>>143252332>I think what a lot people forget in these types of discussions is that the amount of attention required to be considered "a hit on the internet" used to be a lot lower.See it this way: /co/ and ibs todays are "boomer communities", that is, 30 and up, and we coincide perfectly with the "webcomic generation" (2008-2017). /co/ has had, since early days. had multiple webcomic update threads going on. And remember: You *are* here forever. Anons haven't left.The math here would dictate that we should be still regularly discussing and discovering webcomics. matter of fact, there's even more webcomics of the weird style getting made than ever. We've only gotten more choices with time, and you don't need to be a hit on the internet to get traction on a community.Yet today, outside 2-3 webcomics that "survived" 2017, there's practically no webcomic discussion going on since the 2020s. And it's not because there aren't any new comics getting made. Plenty of modern comics do the weird / male oriented / indie / whatever you call it style. They just get ignored and they end up dropping out because it's not worth the inverted effort.This evaporation of the following is rare. Hell, see comicbookfags, dozens upon dozens of 30yo boomers still talking about old artstyles they read 20 years ago. All of co is people begging for old formats to comeback, but somehow webcomics is the only scene that hasn't gotten this treatment. I can't wrap my head around it. Homestuck singlehandedly destroyed *whole conventions*. Webcomic merch was commonplace. The fandom was huge, even if the "get noticed threshold" was smaller back then, there should still be enough fans of the style to get comics off their feet whiteout being an internet hit.
What if you just wanted to make comics for fun, and not money or fame
>>143251652
>>143252521I won't lie I feel a little sad when we have 'recommend a webcomic' thread and it's always the same shit. You'd think with the amount of webcomics out there that you'd get new or different answers every 2 or 3 posts at least.
>>143253352If a comic doesn't have a huge following, the anon is probably afraid of being called a shill or having shit taste
>>143252986Those people are invincible.But it's a rare sort of person who can drop thousands of hours into a project with no expectation of compensation.
>>143252521>but it can’t sustain discussion about webcomics or webtoons/co/ has basically been consumed by twitter refugees looking for a place to anonymously stir shit and discord porn addicts that are incapable of holding a discussion without their cocks in their hand or derailing a discussion into how much they really really want to fuck a 12 year old cartoon character.in order for /co/ to get interested in something it has to be dumped regularly, allow for ongoing speculation, and also have somewhat memeable moments if not being the spark for yet more sexual content.this is why most recurring webcomic generals on /co/ that are about complete dumpsterfires- they're a lot more fun to gawk at than something competent or hard hitting.
>>143253402>the anon is probably afraid of being called a shill or having shit taste>anonymous posters seriously care what some tard calls themwhat
>>1432534619 times out of 10 a fetish artist
>>143237077something something adventure or something something adventures.
>>143230039The market's already slow for regular paper comics, webcomics are just extending their life support day after day.It made sense back in the 90s and early 2000s since it often took ages to download any audio or video media, while a simple .gif comic loaded comparetively fast. There was a market for it because it was the time for it.
>>143253402The 'shill' remarks on that I don't get since /co/ used to actively have people sharing their webcomics here all the time. How the hell are you expected to gain readers for your stuff? Posting your stuff on twitter all day won't help much anymore unless you're trying to pick a fight or hop on any trend that comes up. Just odd how sharing personal webcomics or even people doing indie comics used to be a thing but one day people decided it's the worst thing possible to show your shit.
has there ever been any good webcomics? All webcomics I see are either way too bland and direction-less or designed solely to appease a certain "demographic" or fetish.
>>143253352I'm reading a lot of shit right now, i'll probably make a thread about them but I expect 0 replies.
>>143253975List them here while you got an audience
>>143253975>>143253984yeah, it's better to do it here than to create another thread with 0 replies that won't last an hour
>>143253352OOPSAwful Hospital Unsounded Have been my standbys for a decade now. Everything else has died pr ended. There's other stuff out there sure but it feels futile reccomending promising new stuff that has a 90% of not existing 12 months later.
>>143253984brother i got like 50 tabs open blind, i have no idea what i'm getting into hell i wrote >>143242959 (You)here's a screenshot of what I read and liked and is still currently updating.
>>143253352It's because I won't stoop to recommending my own webcomic.
>>143254339Why not? You realize it's a thing everyone does, right?
>>143230904WHERE THE FUCK IIIIS IT GOD DAMN ITI don't even care that his art style is ugly as shit now, somehow uglier than the chicken-scratch original story or the kind of rough but charismatic later ones and everyone looks like plastic now after too much time doing furry OC YCHs, but I WANT IT ANYWAYFUCKI HAD FORGOTTEN ABOUT IT FOR *YEARS* UNTIL SOMEONE POSTED THAT WORK IN PROGRESS PAGE LAST YEAR AND NOW THE WOUND IS OPEN AGAIN
I miss Scalie Schoolie.It could have survived if they just added nudity though
>>143254109You can't even make a webcomics thread to showcase weird/bad webcomics anymore without them being deleted for being too furry
>>143254557I don't think it died from lack of interest, the artist just didn't feel like continuing
Necropolis.What little we got was so fucking cool.
>>143254715The original artist got an industry job and handed off the duties to another artist, and the 2nd artists version definitely ended because Patreon numbers weren't doing well.
>>143239078Everyone got hit over ad revenue when FaceBook tried to become the omni-site 15 years ago. They straight up lied about their metrics and convinced everyone who was independently doing video or news to move to FaceBook (some of them moved to YouTube for video, which is good on hosting costs but has wildly variable and today much lower revenues even than independents would have had after costs). It's not just that it's expensive to rebuild those sites that have just gone under because FaceBook tried to do it all, it's that the expertise (for news sites in particular) has moved on. People get other jobs, people retire, nobody's left to train new people or even to say "yeah lets make fukken news sites and video that isn't on FB".The same thing that was happening to them has happened to webcomics. People went over from independent hosting to aggregator sites/webrings and to IG (FaceBook, remember them?) because those sites promised greater reach even if the monetization was different. I think the only guy who made it out of webcomics alive is Jeffrey Rowland, and only because he had the foresight to make himself a merch hub company and get the big names on board. Still don't think it'll last because webcomics as a whole is a niche popularity thing with a generational appeal, like people still using IRC or rss feeds. It's the same kind of problem traditional comics have been having for a few decades, but without the original strong, wide base of readers to fall back on.
>>143247461well put.funny, to me it feels more like sitting for a long time. I can do it, but i can't do anything else while doing it.>>143247575people massively underestimate how much work it is. that's why The 8-bit Guy stopped selling his homemade games as physical releases, the labor costs massively outstripped the profits.
>>143247584I really hope Copyrezo is okay.>>143247641boy if I had a nickel for every time that happened.. remember The Meek?>>143247736same for that one, but i mean, look at the art. are you really surprised?>>143247660radical.>>143247713yeah I cannot imagine doing a decompressed webcomic. I always need to be fast-paced and skip over the treacle, just go for the meat.
>>143247881>tranny werewolfthere is honestly something to this. Imagine getting costly and insane surgery and hormones to change your body into something else, then every month your cells completely recycle, changing you back to how nature intended once you de-wolf. Unless it's just sparkly magic or something. I'll admit I've never seen werewolf fiction acknowledge the way a ton of mass would be shed at the end (surely all the fur would fall out at least and be obvious) and your haircut and anything you shaved would all be reset as the cellular change remakes your human body.. at most, once in a while, they acknowledge the hyper metabolism of having to eat enough to make a new body
>>143247948some shit does that automatically now, you can't disable it.I hope the lord comes back tomorrow because i can't make it another week on this bitch of an earth.>>143247950I think artists need to partner with writers more often. there's a ton of writers out there with fucking amazing ideas, and artists who just want an excuse to draw big titties.
>>143248235funny, he updates his deviantart often enough, I thought the comic was updating..>>143248271the sites exist, it's not possible to make a new site or do updates anymore. I got in touch with the last remaining moderator, and he briefly seemed interested in helping me at least get on the forums to discuss things with the few holdouts (the password-reset thing broke) but then he ghosted me, so
>>143249097>>143249216remember when fucking Sexy Losers had a brief woeful PC period, because he got a new GF who thought his old shit was 'offensive' and made him apologize and promise to stop going forwardthen he just quietly shoved that aside and started doing normal comics again. I assume they broke up. So sometimes the breakup helps the comic. The new stuff is pretty good.
>>143249929huh, not ringin bells. must just resemble someone else.>>143250043What was that Norm MacDonald bit "I think the Ls, the Gs, and the Bs, would rather leave out the Ts..."
>>143251382No worries dude, we just wanted to know you were okay. and maybe be friends and talk on discord or something haha
>>143252941I still say it's heavier restriction and hosting issues.Even if you weren't planning on doing anything that violates their ToS, knowing you can't just kills the creativity. It's taking one of the ball out of the manatee tank. And even if you host it yourself, one day tumblr can catch a whiff of it and destroy your life.>>143253352I could go through my folders of bookmarks for you, but there are hundreds.
>>143253836hell video stuff has died too. once they killed Flash, independent media died with it.
>>143255094I'm a writer who does a webcomic with an artist (obviously pay them) and I'll say the hard part for an artist would be finding a writer who can actually write. There's too many that love to say how they're a writer then give scripts that are not curated towards comics or think they'll get someone to do their 100+ page idea for cheap cause it's SO GOOD. I had to learn lessons as I went on as I try to be as helpful as I can to the artist I work with. Even though I can't draw for shit, I'll sketch panel scenes or maps/details of how I'd want the environments to look. I'll usually compile all the references needed before sending over the script, work according to their schedule and overall don't act too pushy. I've worked with same person for close to 8 years now and it's had benefits as they'll invite me to join at cons to sell the book if they get a table. Even with changes coming they were glad to stick around despite a new artist coming in and them shifting to just be a colorist. I only bring all that up cause I've seen how some new writers act in places looking for artists and I can immediately see why it's a turn off.
>>143254918man I miss reading Rowland's stuff. Real charm to it. Li'l left-leaning but not to an obnoxious extent>>143255258well that's the thing, a full partnership makes the most sense to me. writing may not have the same demand as art, but it's.. kind of a big deal. if you're going to pay the artist then you should at least get the lion's share of any income from the comic (if only)Also yeah, there aren't that many good writers, but that's all the more reason I think they ought to be more in demand. There's more and more good artists these days, and more tools to help them bridge up their gaps, but aint nobody teaching good writing. there's no photoshop for that.I'm both, but I admit my writing is ass. I wish I had a partner or editor or something, just to riff on, and to help with the flow and arcs. Honestly I come up with my best ideas when vetoing others' suggestions. On my own I just write random shit and then end the page when it's funny enough, then continue the story in that direction until it gets boring.
>>143254389I am the one man with integrity on this earth.
>>143255369That's what they all say...
>>143255369integrity? or catholic-tier shame?we have a real sick culture of "never promote yourself, you look like an ass" which is... kind of true, but among friends you should be eager and ready.
>>143252941Some notes:Homestuck was not the regular webcomic audience. The Homestuck cosplayers attending conventions probably weren't reading other webcomics.Also I think you haven't really articulated what "getting off their feet" means. Remember in the "heyday" of webcomics there wasn't really an expectation that you could make a living off them (with the exception of a privileged few). And there were, of course, piles and piles and piles of webcomics that never took off.>>143253352I dunno, I rarely see anyone else recommend my go-to answer, which is It Hurts!!/Please Forgive Me!!!
>>143253352all that means is those are the ones people are confident have broad appealwe don't recommend the ones that we know look shitty at first but take analysis to realize how great they are, like, er, Tad Danger or something. Well I do sometimes. Come to think of it, that hasn't updated in some time either.
>>143255133>t, it's not possible to make a new site or do updates anymore.Wait, really? I thought the Marry Me movie adaptation had brought some cash in to bring Keenspot/Comic genesis afloat...
>>143255077There’s two X-Men characters that are kind of like that if memory serves
>>143254389well now to be fair, it is written:>Let someone else praise you, and not your own mouth; an outsider, and not your own lips.It's a good general policy. but again I think it's fine with friends.
>>143255753Maybe there's a way? do you know any comicgenesis comics that have updated?man I can't believe that movie finally got made. and in the first place i still can't believe that's the Pupkin guy
>>143253352I can't talk about my favourite webcomic 'cause of the fucking mods and horny fans.
>>143256204... the mods won't let you talk about it??
>>143256296Every OoP thread gets banished to /trash/ eventually.
>2001 still the bestIf 8 bit doesn't count, then ms paint masterpieces sure does
>>143256312the fuckthis makes me angry
>>143252941>Anons haven't leftA lot have.
>>143253523>why would anyone care what anonymous people think about you, if you're anonymous yourselfAnon, I........
>>143255177I probably shouldn't get too close to social media at this point, but maybe at some later date.Whether I get back to CG or not I think I can at least promise to drop by /hyw/ sometime.
>>143254339Not all self-promotion is shilling.Nobody minds when someone sincerely shares their work and invites people to look at it. It's actually great to see someone who is proud of their work and has the courage to show it to others.People only get irritated when it's crass, spammy, or self-aggrandizing. That last one is the difference between praising the work—which is fine—and praising yourself, which unless you're a rap star rubs people the wrong way. Especially in these times when there's way too much content out there to find on your own, and nothing's being pre-assessed and curated by publishers and syndicates, it's all the more important for you to let people know you've made something they might enjoy. They might never see it, otherwise. After putting in all the effort and skill to create a comic, you owe it to your work to at least let people know about it.
>>143256518yeah fuck social media. i'm talkin about discord../hyw/um... well, good luck. I believe the "eew, nudity is icky, why would you draw that?" crowd is pretty solidly in control now.
>>143252941>/co/ and ibs todays are "boomer communities", that is, 30 and up[citation needed]
>>143255202i don'twhat classic webcomics would violate TOS?
>>143256828basically all of them?
>want to share webcomic>it's too furry, fetishy, or gayor>comic isn't too bad with it but artist's galleries are filled with fetish shit
>>143256905who cares about the last oneUrchin is still a cool comic no matter what else Dustin draws. Same for uh, Wilfreda, who cares what else Megawacky Max draws. You gotta judge the product as-is.
>>143256905My fetishes and my soon to be made webcomic being connected genuinely terrifies me. I don't know how some people are so bold about fetish porn.
>>143256852provide evidence
>>143256993I'm not interested in convincing you, there's nothing to gain from it.>>143256980If you think it's wrong, stop doing itif you think it's right, start being proud of it.
>>143255332I miss the constant references to the goddamn spider bite
>>143256993I take it you're too young to remember the old internet.It's mostly been scrubbed now, so good luck even finding any traces of it, just trust us oldtimers. The entire point of the internet was doing what you can't do on TV. Now any host is twice as strict as even broadcast TV standards.
>>143251382Good to hear you're still around, I still have Carrion Girls on my RSS feed if you ever decide to start up again.
>>143253930Unsounded, Harpy Gee, K6BD, the Rice Boy comics all solid webcomics that have been regularly updated for years and have industry professional creators behind them. Unsounded is about to reach the halfway mark, no idea about Harpy Gee, K6BD is getting close to the finish line, and Evan Dahm of Rice Boy is working on his fourth ongoing now after three great ones before it.
>>143254339Self-promotion isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's one of the many ways you cultivate a readership. There's a way to recommend your own stuff without devolving into full blown shilling.
>>143254483The infuriating part of that is how the WIP says it's like, page 26 or whateverWhy, why can't he just finish and give us page ONE? For the love of God he doesn't need to drop the entire completed thing at once. After years of nothing, people would be more than able to roll with a page a month. I could stand for one every two months, probablyThe truly horrible part is the thought of it finally coming back and I wind up feeling nothing after a decade of waiting. I'm not even sure what I expect, what I even hope for, but will it wind up being like a sequel finally coming for a nostalgic property but without that history it doesn't actually wind up appealing?
>>143256296You can sometimes have in the wild discussions about the baxxid or Yannit in monster waifu threads but Yings have a huge target on their backs
>>143230039Yes, but their corpse will never stop moving.
>>143228658i don't care that the jokes were hit or missi enjoyed Gamercats
>>143257328I don't understand how the mods will ban most furry stuff on sight, but then let weekly dragon-fucker threads and a BCB general exist on this board
>>143256648Well it's social media in the sense that you can spend all day on it talking to people instead of getting things done if you're not careful.I hear /hyw/ has gotten kinda weird yeah, but we'll see.>>143257134Oh man, after so long... I guess I mustn't disappoint, then.
>>143254580>without them being deleted for being too furryyeah, this is true. It always seemed weird to me why 4chan has had a brony board for so long but threat furries as if there was anyhing inherently worse about them than every single other fetish that is scattered around this site. What's even worse is that I always felt that furry webcomics tend to be particularly worse than the average webcomic, maybe only tied with the gaming-focused ones. Perhaps it's the bad taste that having taken a gander at Ctrl+Alt+Delete and Twokinds some 10 years ago left me, which is interesting consider both of them are still going, I think.
>>143251382Whatever you do, just know I love Carrion Girls. It's fantastic! I'm not sure I understand your concern about promises though. Just work on it however much or little you want. Look at the Gone With The Blastwave guy. He's gloriously unapologetic of having years between updates, but he carries on as the whim takes him.
>>143257243>the WIP says it's like, page 26 or whateverI lost the fucking post because I'm a doodoo head, but there was an older Twitter post he made of a big ol' stack of paper talking about how the entire rest of the story was done and just waiting to be inked/lettered and how it was pretty much the same size as all the existing story combined. Like motherfucker just post the drafts, at least! I get it you're a big name Furry Twitter Fetish Person now but I WANT MY ENDING, I browsed the old comic and forgot that it ended on such a fucking cliffhanger and it made me ANGRY. Like shit, you've got a point about people not minding a page a month- the existing stories vary massively in art style as it is since there were such big gaps, and I for one am used to months of nothing. Such is life as a Gone with the Blastwave die hard, after all.>The truly horrible part is the thought of it finally coming back and I wind up feeling nothing after a decade of waiting. I'm not even sure what I expect, what I even hope for, but will it wind up being like a sequel finally coming for a nostalgic property but without that history it doesn't actually wind up appealing?Yeah, I feel that. The worst possible thing that could happen isn't perpetual nothing, but a wet fart of an end and a, "That's it?" because he spent so many years sidetracked that he forgot one thing or another. If nothing else at least that would qualify it for "Where did it go so wrong?" or 'art regression' threads, but I don't want that, I just want Goatee McGee to score with the furry pear dragon.
>>143257459Even if you're posting one for shock, they might get deleted. I remember someone posted a dead furry webcomic with nothing obviously bad happening on it as an example in a previous thread and it got deleted.
>>143256905at this rate all webcomics will become gay, furry and fetishy, creating the ultimate panel-laid abomination from the internet. Can't say I'm not eager to see the results. I'll be happy in helping if anyone is interested in making the worst, gayest, furriest, cringiest, fetish-filled comic the web has ever seen.
>>143257495Maybe moot and his jannies are all closeted furries
>>143257328oh yeah. fucking yinglets. i don't think you should get banned but i'm not exactly happy i don't get to see them.>>143257395It was cute as fuck!!!>>143257434Oh that. Yes yes, that can eat up your time. But it also restores your soul. If you have a real social life, you don't need that.
>>143257537... you know everyone's a furry, right?Not everyone dresses in costumes and acts like a retard, but everyone imagines "hey what if I was an animal, but it was a me animal, with like, my characteristics. Haha what animal would I be?" And everyone likes cartoons about animal people.
>>143252941Audiences have just moved on. Simple as. There's plenty of zoomers on other boards, there just isn't a favorable perception towards /co/ stuff and that bias isn't unwarranted. I think lots of hopeful would-be's are also now very aware that there really isn't much of a future in this space and decide to not bother, the math is on their side.>>143253473you described Homestuck>>143253836Very good point. Webcomics didn't have to compete with video to the degree that they do now.
VG cats is technically still alive, but it just posts generally mediocre pages barely once a year, so in practice it's fucking dead.
>>143257434>Oh man, after so long...There's a lot on my feed that have been dead for longer, that's the beauty of RSS feeds.
>>143257867are RSS feeds worth it? They seemed like a neat idea but never really took off, I don't know how they would have survived given the current ad-rev situation anyway
>>143257894I just like having a little add-on thingy that gives me notifications specifically for webcomic updates instead of cluttering something else like my email.
>>143257407I suspect they leave those as a containment bait to get the resident furries distracted with a few threads
>>143257461Thank you.You're making a good point; I am prone to all-or-nothing thinking. Even a page a month is better than nothing. I'm coming up with a bunch of arguments why GwtBW and Carrion Girls can't be compared like that, but they're probably not very rational. I'll try to keep it in mind going forward.>>143257559>If you have a real social life, you don't need that.>_><_<>>143257867"That is not dead which can eternal lie", huh. I'll see if I can't maybe get the stars to align.But now I really gotta get to bed. Thanks to everyone who reminded me I'm not the only one who cared about my comic.
>>143256905>>143257459>>143257521Gonna be honest, I do have a sort of negative perception of webcomics because of how many of them were gay, furry, fetish shit. They often weren't even good in spite of that. Complain all you want about web comic hosting services being too stringent or prude but one of the risks you run without that sort of oversight is the well getting poisoned. Now with Patreon a lot of those same creators and audiences don't 'need to' make or read a comic with fetish elements, they can just make/consume porn. So that audience that existed for those comics is getting better serviced, if you will, and what's left over are people who just want normie-tier content which they get on webtoons and instagram.
>>143257459I know we got /trash/ but I don't get the lack of a furry board. They're are here to stay no matter what you do and if you don't like them, let them have a proper containment board. It doesn't make sense to keep a meme beef from over 15 years ago alive now.
>>143256905Someone literally bitched about a gay incest comic, just spill it>>143257521Let's make music together
>>143258024Hmm, my negative perception of webcomics has always been they're all "epic gamer" comics or webcomics who are just lame attempts at being newspaper strips.
>>143258024>Gonna be honest, I do have a sort of negative perception of webcomics because of how many of them were gay, furry, fetish shit. They often weren't even good in spite of that. Complain all you want about web comic hosting services being too stringent or prude but one of the risks you run without that sort of oversight is the well getting poisoned.um, anonthe stringent prudes LOVE that gay stuff. they hate normal stuff.
>>143256636Fuck it, I'm currently working on my second webcomic. Something that's a black comedy about two gas mask clad guards working at a classified facility. Pretty much making something that's an absurd workplace comedy with the horrors they gotta deal with on the daily. Also cause my other webcomic is anthro related and I wanted to do something with human characters and tactical shit.
>>143256813>[citation needed]source: my age
>>143255491>And there were, of course, piles and piles and piles of webcomics that never took off.True, but it feels like today they aren't any comics taking offAnd I don't think it's the gag-a-day competition. Gag-a-day exists since time immemorial, they actually predate long-form webcomics.
>>143258136jawesome. Those are some good-ass poses.
>>143258136She cute. Would. Also the mask stays on during sex.
>>143258136she looks like she's gonna read my memory card contents
>>143258136>>143258176Thanks, working with an artist bud while I'm writing and lettering it. There's also this version from a second artist with us on it. We're intending to have a one-page skit in a more toony version to contrast the manga look. Guy doing them is so fun to work with cause he's majorly down with that Evil Con Carne style.
>>143258081You have those, and then you also have what are essentially long-form graphic novels.Webcomics are more diverse than ever, honestly. >>143257407/bcb/ persists in spite of cuck mods and there's always been that weird love-hate relationship between a furry comic thats about cutesy highschool shipping and the usual 4chan shenanigans when it comes to that sort of thing. reminder that taeshi and suitcase lurk /co/ and used to run ads on 4chan. can't stop the cats, man
>>143256296>>143256312>>143256342They don't get sent to /trash/ they just get flat out deleted. They sometimes delete posts too. You don't get banned though
I was reading a webcomic long ago that didnt end so much as the creator discovered patreon and held his comic hostage for gibsmedatsDont really remember it. Was something about a dark elf freak
>>143231316It died because JUNK is a cunt who overblew accusations of him being "creepy". Killed the poor guy's career. These stupid cunts don't care that they ruin men's lives.
It's weird how I never see anyone talk about KC Green in conjunction to anything but Gunshow. The man has made a lot of comics.https://kcgreendotcom.com/index.htmlI'm pretty sure this is even missing some, because I swear he was the artist on some webcomic about a little black creature that fought with a sword.There's also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=wmOw-jplSMk
>>143258471Because gunshow will always be his magnum opus.
Steve Lichman, I think, stopped around 2020? Penciler is a illustrator etc, I don't know much about the writer. in 2021 or later Rapoza said "Volume 3" is still happening.
>>143258511Holy shit I completely forgot about this.
>>143258228Styles are very importantyou know what comic I hope starts back up again soon? good ol LWBiverse.
>>143258370isn't that janitors then>>143258425I don't begrudge anyone a humble profit, but I also won't shed any tears when their readerbase shrinks like a roid user's testes.
>>143258458On the contrary, they think by doing so they're big heroes. It's a sickness.
its weird to think how mods killed the endtown fandom for no real reasoni wonder how that one guy that started that other companion comic about guards in a colony or something is faring
>>143258536They are very important and I took that into mind while setting this up. My friend doing the art (he's paid don't worry) has done some work but I noticed he hasn't been on anything wider. I did wanna use this comic to attempt the scrolling method since I always rejected it but figured I could curate one comic to it.Here's his style normally with one character who's the HR head.
>>143257495Wahhh you can't post vore how sad!
>>143258644>other companion comic about guards in a colonyWas there a topsider with glasses and another with a beard?
This thread is inspiring me to give a shot at my webcomic ideaI just need a cheat to be able to do decent-ish toony artwork without having to draw naked men for 10 years.
>>143258654And the skit version design for comparison.Admittedly I mostly want to do the skit version for easier social media access since those are 4 - 6 panel format. Learned over the years how I gotta play the advertising game.
>>143258571Definitely true. It's disgusting. The only silver lining in this case is that she rightfully realized that people were going to be hostile to her for doing it, and she's not as active online anymore. Too bad she didn't disappear completely, but good riddance. She finally realized that pretty much everyone in the drawfag groups fucking hated her. That's what you get for being a shitty cunt for so long to everyone.
>>143258471I've only ever read Anime Club and He is a Good Boy
>>143258654step on me
>>143258511Probably takes a while since Dave Rapoza does a ridiculous amount of contract work
>>143258711But people who do that instantly have tons of friendsthe other warriors who want to band together for safety, and anyone scared enough to want to avoid confrontation by just going along with whatever the loudest and angriest person says.
>>143258659If something isn't to your taste and you want to discourage it, the dumbest thing you can do is forbid it. Remember Streisand.
>>143258644I think the creator did that all on his own lol
>>143258659>vorewha?
Do people still make sprite comics?They seem like an extinct breed, these days.
>>143258770That's usually how it goes, but thank fuck this time the retarded woman got what was coming to her. Not nearly enough in my opinion, though.
>>143258813being eaten. like many fetishes, it derives from cartoons. that's what happens when you shield children from any knowledge of sex. their little brains just slot something else into that spot, whatever they are allowed to see.
>>143258875two main things holding it back1) copyright rabidity has gone massive / it's expected that you could monetize a comic at least slightly2) it's been a hot minute since any good 2d games came out with sprites one could rip, and far fewer artists are doing custom/edited sheets (and handing them out for free) like they used to
>>143258906no you donut i mean which comic was it
>>143258875Copypasting artwork has become a target of scrutiny.and wojaks comics are the modern sprite comics anyway
>>143256340Not dead, just finished. But yes, still the best.
>>143258976i don't believe there is a comic, I believe one very sardonic anon was responding to another who objected to fetishes being deleted, and was like "ohhh you can't see vore, boohoo"I don't think that pertains to any specific comic, just a cherrypicked strawman fetish to dislike and thus disrespect the rights of its artists.
>>143258977I wish more people than Kid Radd and Squidi (asshole but a talented asshole) did custom sprite comics.I always wanted to, but I realized I could just do simplistic drawings and they would be roughly the same as sprites.
I know it's finished, not dead, but I miss Brawl in The Family....That's a lie, I just miss being a kid on the internet.
>>143259089brawl in the family was fucking speciali love that the guy still does fun videos every so often
>>143259089Feels like I grew up reading this
>>143258644>for no real reasonI was on the endtown general since day one.Believe, there were very real reasons
>>143258136Sweet! Can't wait to read it.
>>143228658>>143228806>>143228837>>143229382>>143229480>>143232602>>143238841>>143238890>>143246724>>143246887>>143246893Hey, everyone, I want to address some things that are being said about me. I know that a more than common complaint about me is that I'm no longer updating Prequel regularly and that my output has become almost nonexistent, with the assumption being that I'm either lazy or just disinterested in working on the comic. The truth is that I've been extremely busy, working on multiple projects like Autumnflower, and it's quite overwhelming having to manage it all, especially with trying to eek out some recreation time for myself and with my fans. I've also begun to reflect more on what's going on around me, in my life and abroad in the world. Recently, I've been thinking of doing some philanthropic work such as making a fundraising campaign for relief for Haiti, and by relief I mean raising the funds to airdrop my mom into Haiti so she could give some relief to all the people there; hopefully, this will improve the country even if it is, will always be, a massive clusterfuck.Also, fuck sabrotiger.
Zebra Girl never got the recognition it deserved...
>>143260125>autumnfloweris this a new project of yours? I'm finding nothing online. That is a pretty valid excuse though if you just have another (comic?)>fundraisingman that is a great alternate use of your businessman skills. good for you Kaz.
>>143260260aw jeez. good on him for getting it out there and asking though. I assume he did not get a grand a month support.I love my mom but when she develops dementia again (well last time it was alcohol) she's going in a home. She even has one picked out, she likes it. I'll still skype her and stuff.
>>143260125KEKIn all fairness, I think Kaz is in honest denial of what he pulled. Feel like he realized too late he was making a fanadv on a copyrighted IP and lost all interest there and then, but couldn't accept he was dropping the comic since that kind of sudden shift goes against his personal values, he couldn't cope and kept pretending he was totally gonna go back until the lie became the only thing left.
>>143260409eh, bethesda isn't nintendo. and he's using mostly original stuff, so he can and does sell merch.now the comic I wanted to do, no way nintendo-today would let me make money from it.
>>143260260Damn, I loved zebra girl.Getting old sucks ass.
>>143260312https://witchwarp.thecomicseries.com/He's got a patreon now apparently
>>143259061It was probably the vaccuum vore one or down the hatch
>>143258758My friend did say that might be the reaction people would have to her.
>>143260125Kazerad?More like NeverUpdatesezard.
>>143260125you gain absolutely nothing by replying
>>143261084your friend is a man of the people
>>143260919hope that works out better.>>143260125hey wait a minuteyou're not Kazerad at all, are you. That mom joke was way too subtle, shot clean past me.
>want to make a webcomic>start learning to draw, come up with a story, all the pieces start coming together>realise i'm a horrible misanthrope and don't actually want anyone to read it because they might try to interact with me or interpret things wrongly
>>143261304That's okay, Ditko/Kirby, just get yourself a Stan Lee. he'll deal with the fans for you and you can just sit in your hole by yourself and write just for you. that's the whole point of the net.
>>143261304that's just part of your mystique
>>143261304Many creators of famous things have remained hermits. The creator of Yume Nikki is a mystery for example. Just create a pseudonym and don't interact with people.
>>143254300>0 replies>not even giving me shit for vast error or ksbddamn
>>143261591maybe make it bigger next time I ain't squinting for that shit
>>143254300didn't BaDoom! end? or are you still binging it.
>>143261278>>hope that works out better.He's not getting 1K but he's getting a bit more than 8 hundred so that's pretty okishhonestly considering he started his webcomic 24 years ago and he's in his mid 40s that's pretty good, that means he's got a loyal old time fanbaseI should pitch in
>>143261641hang on, it says 95 in this screencap >>143254300the comic ended at 77. i'm looking at it right now. https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/badoom/pawmises-special-announcement/viewer?title_no=302822&episode_no=77
>>143261667i haven't finished reading it, didn't know it ended pls don't spoil
>>143261591I would never judge an anon's webcomic taste. Mine is far worse.
>>143228658I'm glad he made it to his dream job, but i miss this.
Return to Sender was a really interesting webcomic from the early 2000s that just stopped, seems a lot more generic now but at the time this was really something different.>>143231252I still miss this, even ifhe didn't do anything new I miss being able to read the archives.
>>143254300>BaDoom tiss>Blues Clues>Vast Error>Homestuck Falls>All Your Hate Are Belong To Us>Lore Olympiss>Ten Bowl Shattering Bowel Movements>BITCHwood>BITCHmeadow>Town Bicycle Boy>Oh Silly Hoe>In This Darkened Land(black people)>Saul's Forehead>Cuck Six Billion Demons>BITCHmeadow>Thoroughly Discheesed>sofsofsofsofsof>Rising Tent>Out-of-Cummers>Cum>Calia Doesn't Go>King of Shits>A, wait a second,>hey is that a jojo reference>Boss Baby: The Webcomic>Axe Cop, Hold The Axe>Yggdrassil, the World Tree>Journey To The South
>>143258136>cute mask girlHmm yes more of this plox
>>143228658There was some Sonic sprite comics on Mystical Forest Zone, pretty sure that website is dead, then there was Inhuman and that one appears to just be done.
>>143260973>vacuum vore oneI'm still angry>makes webcomic about cartoon wolf tf>abandons it to go back to vacuum vore comic>abandons that again>goes back to toon tf one and somehow makes it hornier (not complaining)>distracted by another comic about aliens getting blown into space or vored
Hypothetically speaking, what would be your dream list of things that a webcomic hosting site would have? For example, maybe some sort of editor system where people could have their writing looked over by experienced editors.
>>143230039not at all? Check out webtoons and Manhwa.
>>143241744I'd give up it all, if only Ronnie could be happy.
>>143257074okay larperwhat are the names of some iconic webcomics that wouuld violate tos nowadays?
>>143258167maybegag-a-day comics are very well suited to modern-day social media though, you can't really retweet a page from a serial comic
>>143263568>furry can't stick to a project that doesn't have their fetishShocked I tell you
>>143236142>elder gods but they're cute girls and in love with the MC who's just a random college nerdthis is just that lovecraft slice of life anime with the elder gods but in webcomic form
>>143258176>>143258198>>143258202>>143259992>>143263372Thanks anons, least this show the protag designs could catch on. Intending to have a preview chapter up by the summer. I got first chapter written up but figured it would be better to test the waters with a 6 - 8 page short first.
>>143265093How long should a test trial chapter be?
>>143265946I've done them for other projects and maximum I'd go is 8 pages. Something that gives people a taste of the characters and plot with some cool stuff to gawk at. Test runs usually go over better for me cause people are more likely to check out something short.
>>143264580Yeah...
>>143263176>town bicycle boytechnically correct >journey to the southkek
>>143263667right now I'm just looking for something with very low offensive content restrictions
sad that the artist discountinued this comic because her art style changed, it had some cool ideas and themeshttps://m.tapas.io/series/Heil/info
>>143268123Is it lolisho, gore, or both
>>143268805what
>>143268805Kinda reminds me of the art style of that one comic with the weird magical dream hotel where the girl is being slowly seduced by some kinda immortal>starfish nazisoh shit they're 25% worse!>>143263667zero restrictions on content, a simple and robust updating system so that you can compose a single comic's page in HTML with certain tags like "today's_comic" etc, and it automatically generates a new page for each one, a slot in the archive, etcalso the ability to have multiple subpages, for links, fanart, character bios that i'll never finish, etc.
>>143268805Holy shit this comic is fascinating.. and i haven't even gotten to any butthole nazis or stitched up dogmen yet.
BROODHOLLOWFucker abandoned this to work on his analog horror youtube channel, and as far as I've seen he's essentially abandoned that as well. Broodhollow was so fucking good, and it was left on a cliffhanger.
>>143258321>/bcb/ persists in spite of cuck modsWasnt one of those cucks close friends with tae/suitcase which is why that neverending torture wheel of a comic gets a pass?
>>143249619That's a mightyena. How do you not know?
>>143269077It's slurs like retard and faggot, censored slurs like n____r, having gays and women be the butt of the joke, jokes about rape/sexual harassment and murder, blood and gore but no more than what Family Guy does, and characters in bikinis.I must point out that none of this would be constantly shown however.
>>143237077Price for Freedom, Therion Inside of Me, Booby Quest, Scrawled, Starcross, Polymorphine Romance, Warpslave and The Party (if it is still going). I guess Camp Sherwood, but that is more TEEN ANGST DRAMA.I unironically read Price of Freedom for the plot.
>>143269077Because surely, SURELY you aren't saying that knuckledragging mouthbreather Stonetoss is capable of getting and keeping a comic up on his own website and you aren't. It's like 20 bucks a year to get a domain name and server combined, premade website solutions are available in the form of things like rarebit, and that's all you need at the start anyway. You could probably have something going by the end of tomorrow if you followed the guide on landchad, and once you do that you can self host basically anything you want and nobody can take you down.Now I know what you're thinking: "But anon, if I do that, witch hunters will falsely accuse me of being satan and dox me!" They most likely will not, as long as you don't use social media under your art handle. Their whole thing is feeling big by getting a negative reaction, so literally not doing anything to start shit plus not fighting them or apologizing for stuff you do not need to apologize for will eventually get 99% of them to back off. Clout chasing art hoe harpies won't want anything to do with you until you're popular enough to have some reasonable clout or connections within comics, and by then it really won't matter.>>143269468Sounds like you should also check out rarebit. I've heard that neocities is pretty alright for hosting a lot more types of stuff than you'd think, and you'd probably be fine as long as you avoided the social media part of it.Unless you are planning on making illegal stuff (dont) or starting a cult of personality (dont) it should be fine.
>>143269821new pokemon kinda suckby the way english names also suck>>143269872it's okay anon you're on 4chan.
>>143269904it's a lot more than that for hosting.>Rarebityeah that looks okay, I just prefer it to be integrated. but if not, still doable.either neocities or geocities.ws has harsh restrictions, I forget which one.
>>143269872Most places would be OK with that outside of Europe and Australia. And even if you're in one of those nations, host in a site completely unrelated to those states and the effort to get you down is too much. As an anon said, don't use social media or if you do, don't link your website/comic/arthandle onto your social media handles and you're golden. >>143269904I mean Stonetoss literally went as far as having his lawyer remove his name from an obituary so he couldn't be doxxed and ended up being doxxed by somebody seeing a aircraft ticket in an image and working out who he was based on the flight and stuff. They got his name and nationality (he was 50% Puerto Rican, 25% German, 25% Bong) and his response to all this was>Buy my merch lolBut the amount of effort he went to in order to NOT have a presence on the internet and yet still got found anyway is a testament to the autistic people out there. So, you gotta literally either have no social media or do next to nothing on it.
>>143231098>>143241364>>143241786>>143242959>spiderforestWHAT NONSENSEI enjoyed it so much. The author updated once after a year-long hiatus just to say it was dead.
>>143228658>just do it!and I hope that whoever made that comic suffer from a extremely violent,slow and painful death
>>143269924Mightyena is from Gen3 and one of the most common encounters in the game. I guess you're an anime-only fag.
>>143270008jesus christ. i hope that's a lie.
>>143270029i'd rather be told than not>>143270067gen 3 is the best of the bad era, but it's still hard to remember it and keep it straight, because it solidified "We are not going to actually do new animal-type combinations, we're going to keep recycling the same concepts. enjoy more fire dogs and electric rodents, because electric dogs and fire rodents is just silly."
>>143270113Which bit? Stonetoss? It isn't, you can find it online.
>>143269924>it's okay anon you're on 4chan.I don't think desuarchive is a convenient platform to host a comic>>143270008I'm not worried about the country, it's the website terms of service that worry me.
>>143269667Kris Straub has always had multiple irons in the fire at the same time. I believe right now he makes most of his income doing stuff for Penny Arcade's D&D podcast/franchise. It's part of the reason he had a falling out with his former best friend, PvP author Scott Kurtz
>>143270322you know what though, i'm not taking any risks. i've got something fun to post tomorrow
>>143270322I mean, you can go look it up yourself. I don't care, it was merely a point on how some people will be autistic enough to hunt you down.
>>143255491Some people clearly just aren't ready for gob. Didn't keep up with pfm for a good while but glad to see it didn't die, hopefully dropping color helps it survive the dreaded "author becomes a parent." If I had the money to burn I'd probably buy the old books to throw him a buck, It Hurts! was truly my shit back then.
>>143270344i seem to remember a time when 4chan would hunt THOSE people down. oh well. it's for the best I guess. unbefitting.>>143270493i tell you what i'd rather raise a kid with webcomics as a job than have to leave the house for 10 hours a day and then writhe all night from work stress instead of sleeping and basically never see the kid.
>>143270538Unfortunately gob's always done it for free
Do think there's a patreon but man's got a day job as far as I'm aware
>>143270008He made himself a huge target. Most people won't fuck with you if you keep to yourself, but he went out of his way to:-Used his webcomic as a way to preach about personal politics. The dude who made blazing saddles could get away with having a woman say up yours nigger and then beating up a black dude because it's an absurd premise and the butt of the joke is the woman for being stupidly racist in the context. Note how we're laughing with the victim here, not at him. Lots of the two panel strips from stonethrow about someone hanging themselves are very mean spirited. That type of diviciveness will get you the type of enemy that is very persistant, and the type of friend that will leave you to dry.-Used twitter at all. The only benefit to using social media is clout from normies and pussy from clout hoes. That pussy, however, comes at a terrible price.-Never shut the fuck up on twitter. Do not do this if you want any plausible deniability for how you act without real world accountability, the type of people you gravitate to, and what the point of your stuff is.-Fostered and maintained a cult of personality. This brings out two types of people. People so diametrically opposed to you that they will go to great lengths to dox you, and people that like you so much that they will go to great lengths to dox you. Note that either group could then find you and get mad that you don't want to talk to them because they're insane.Point is, he's a monkey who played with fire and got burned. Humans are social animals by nature, and no matter what rules are written in the books, we WILL band together to fuck you up if you are percieve a big enough social threat/reward. Do you want to be a Stonetoss? Because there already is one, and he's frankly not very good. Unless he's doing non political gags, those ones can be a freaking riot.
>>143268805that scene with cinque gave me jimba vibes
>>143261304Have a friend who was posting some of his writing online until he got sent gay fanart. It's definitely a risk you have to take putting anything up lmao
>>143270646>he's frankly not very good>Unless he's doing non political gags, those ones can be a freaking riot.No, his political gags are just as funny most of the time. It's just that you'd rather have a stick up your ass instead of enjoying a silly joke. Also, some of his worst comics are non-political, like him being salty about not understanding Heathcliff.
>>143270823Nice b8 m8I r8 8/8
>>143248235this one got my attention
>>143270875>people can only disagree with me to antagonize meWhile you reach for that stick, take your head out of your ass too.
>>143270646I dont understand how anyone can think stonetoss is real. Now i will grant you, I can't tell if it's making fun of conservatives, or making fun of people who make fun of conservatives, but it's obviously not serious.
>>143260125Who ever wrote this, good job paying attention to the famine going on in Haiti while the media is ignoring it.
>>143260125Draw more vore kaz
>>143271197famine is literally the only thing people know about or think about when Haiti is mentionedthey need to evacuate. In the first place, they were only brought there as slaves, and abandoned.
>>143271222When did Kaz draw vore?
>>143269712all I knows is I relish every ban i get and secretly wish they'd visit again
>>143271225Evacuate to where? I don't think France wants them back any more.
>>143271251that's the caribbean's problem. it's not like anywhere below 41 degrees north latitude is livable anyway.
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>bump limitNice, good thread honestly
>>143271284Oh no. Don't eat Katia, I thought it was going to be the other way around.
>>143271417>she's been trapped in the dragon's belly for 2 years
>>143271279>it's not like anywhere below 41 degrees north latitude is livable anyway.The Dominicans seem to be doing ok, though they have far more arable land.
>>143271430Don't tell me that's the very last drawing he's produced of her.
>>143271328yeah it was a time.we should discuss webcomics on /co/ (outside of the tragically fallen hyw clique) more often
>>143271454they're doing an impressive amount with what they've got, but... the zika.Basically if you live where it's hot enough to grow food, you are living where it's hot enough for misery.
>>143271508I miss when bad/weird/mindfuck ones could be storytimed without being deleted
>>14327152799% of humanity lives where it's warm enough to grow food.
>>143271600and on like 25% of the land.>>143271571yeah me too
>>143271571They get deleted?
>>143267114i don't like her new round eyes
>>143271697Considering how about the entirety of megg mogg and owl got storytimed I'm gonna call crap
>>143271921They are assmad they can't storytime all of Kit n Kay Boodle
>>143271975Just inject perispammer with furry autism and you'll get the whole thing one page at a time
>>143268805Oh wow, that was over quicklywell, still a fun read. i wonder where this would have gone... i saw her bashing her past art, man why must artists be so kooky in the head? Part of the package I guess.
