Why was this controversial? This is the one time Scorponok did nothing wrong. Traditional transformer reproduction is convoluted and inefficient nonsense. And please, real answers only. Leave the /pol/shit to yourself.
not a fan of transformers>>143254169what the fuck is this?
>>143254621>"I don't read the comic. Tell me what happens in in it so I don't have to."... I hate this board.
>>143254169>scorponussy
>>143254169>Traditional transformer reproduction is convoluted and inefficient nonsenseIs it? Barely informed on the series but I thought it was basically as straight forward as collecting some of their special metal and then giving it a spark, and then the new bot basically handled everything on its own from there in terms of assuming a shape and personalityI have zero context for your image but at face value gestating a robo-fetus that you have to carry inside of you and presumably supply with energy from your own body doesn't seem much easier
>>143254621A transformer is going to give birth to a transsexualwho has features that more than meets the eye.
>>143254169It feels fetishistic and the reveal was pretty meh for all the time it was hyped up
>>143255324Anon, I swear to Primus, don't make me come over there.
>>143254621- Scorponok, the purple robot dude, is one that likes to experiment in Transformer-organic synergies. For example, he removed his head and replaced it with a human in transforming armor, on the premise that two heads are better than one. This is an old gimmick the original 80's toyline did for a bit.- The Transformer species aren't actually robots, they're Star Trek-style pure energy ball aliens that use robot bodies to better perceive and explore their environments. This energy ball is called the Transformer's spark.- In this particular comic series, new sparks are "born" via an ancient artifact sending out energy waves into the planet. It has long since stopped doing that. The Autobot/Decepticon war further reduced the population's numbers.- Scorponok decides to use organic population replenishment to get the Decepticon's numbers up. In short: fucking.- He "volunteers" one of his troops to "donate" their spark, putting it inside the lab-grown baby body you see in OP's image.- (Scorponok is simply, and literally, carrying that child in him. He's not actually robo-male-pregnant. The baby capsule gets taken it out of him later on and is just carried around like a football.)- Scorponok's plan is to force other Decepticons to give up their sparks, make more baby bodies in a lab, let them grow up, then have them fuck. The resulting offspring will have their own sparks, grow up, fuck, make more babies with sparks, and so on.- Once there are enough sex-produced sparks, Scorponok plans to take out all their sparks and put them in "proper" transforming metal bodies.- Some normal Decepticons discover Scorponok and his plans, go "what the fuck is wrong with you, no", stop Scorponok, and steal the baby. Since there was only one baby made, the plan never materialized. You need two to tango.
>>143254169>This is the one time Scorponok did nothing wrong.>not the time he killed Ratbat>not the time he fought alongside Optimus against Unicron and his cultists and died a hero
>>143254621Scorponok got it in his head that organics always had a leg up to mechanical life as they could rapidly reproduce at will. IDW1 Cybertronians had to rely on limited events at hotspots or secrectly science-raping the matrix of leadership to make more sparks. The civil war left Cybertron dead and the matrix was involved in a lot of bullshit and was thought not to be able to give life anymore. So he went full retard and worked to introduce biological reproduction into Cybertronians so they could fuck themselves to universe supremacy. He eventually made babby.
>>143256063>He eventually made babby.Not HIS baby, though. He constructed a baby.
>>143255970>He's not actually robo-male-pregnant. The baby capsule gets taken it out of him later on and is just carried around like a football.)so Death Stranding?
>>143254169Retard.
>>143256105I didn't play it, I have no idea.
>>143254169>it's purple
>>143255970This actually sounds like a good idea for a species facing extinction. Plus it makes so many porn possibilities.>Fred Perry predicted cybertronians in organic bodies
>>143256063>Scorponok got it in his head that organics always had a leg up to mechanical life as they could rapidly reproduce at will.I mean, he's not wrong. The transformer species wouldn't be in the absolute state it's in in pretty much every continuity if they could just fuck and make babies. Probably let off a lot of that mental energy they otherwise spend on galactic scale wars too.
>>143256301>Fred Perry predicted cybertronians in organic bodiesAnon that happened in the 80's cartoon
The creators have no idea what they've done confirming humans can carry sparks. I can already see the autistic fan works nowAnd the porn.
>>143256522That baby is very specifically not a human.For one thing, it's HUGE.For another thing, it's purple.
>>143256516I'm not talking about Daniel operating as a head for Arcee but an actual crybertronian in an organic body.
>>143256544>It's hugeYou say that like that's going to change anything, if anything it'll only fuel it more.
>>143256547>Forgetting the episode with Cobra Commander in ithttps://tfwiki.net/wiki/Only_Human
>>143256522That didn't stop people before.And the annoying fans aren't even the robotfuckers but the fujos.
>>143256544
>Arcee asks Jack to help her restore her species
>>143256591fujos are cancer in every fandom
>Bumblebee asks Charlie to help him restore his species
Was he the one who started this? Or do we blame Blackarachnia?
>>143256659He already has if certain comics are accurate.
>>143254169Freeman is a weirdo that finds robo pussy and robo wombs disgusting
>>143255970I get the premise of the plan but how did he think sparks were gonna just duplicate when the banging occurred? Was there any actual process he discovered that simply revolutionized the understanding of sparks or was he literally just acting off a hunch planning to cross his fingers and hope it worked?
>>143256801Like many trends in the franchise, this one started in G1. We can thank Astoria, the titular Girl Who Loved Powerglide.
>>143255076>Is it? Barely informed on the series but I thought it was basically as straight forward as collecting some of their special metal and then giving it a spark, and then the new bot basically handled everything on its own from there in terms of assuming a shape and personalityYou don't think hand building a new body and then going on a journey to ask your God nicely to create a new soul isnt more difficult than two bots fucking and the body of one growing a new body and soul like every living creature on earth?
>>143256134It's simultaneously as simple as it sounds, dude has a baby in a tube he carries around with himWhile also being mind numbingly convoluted I wouldn't recommend it unless the packhorse simulator gameplay is really your jam. The story is pure self indulgent nonsense
>>143256851Technically yes, but I feel like she was more overlooked as just 'a weird G1 thing', it definately felt like more people got pulled by Armada Screamer.Also, why do human women want to fuck jets so much.
>>143256855If you gotta lug it around inside your guts for a few months, maybe Like I said, I suppose the question for which I mostly lack context on is how difficult it is to get the starter materials and how stingy god is with the souls
>>143256896Japanese stars cream has the sexy anime guy voiceNo idea why English speaking women want to ride his robo cock
>tfw you will never impregnate Scorponok
>>143256935>Like I said, I suppose the question for which I mostly lack context on is how difficult it is to get the starter materials and how stingy god is with the soulsG1 always made it a task.Stunticons - several episodes of stealing carsAirelbots - made from ancient cybertronian rockets Trypticon - built from notNYCTechnobots - built from unicorns brainTo use vector sigma to make new sparks, you have to use a key to gain access. This is later retconned by just shoving the matrix into vector sigmaIt was always dubious in G1. Marvel sunbow always skirted the issue of how to make new transformers.
>>143256896>Also, why do human women want to fuck jets so much.Oh trust, it ain't just the ladies who appreciate fine aircraft.
>>143255970Incredible. That's batshit but also intriguing
>>143256547>cybertronian in an organic bodywait watwhat Fred Perry comic was this?
>>143254169Call me controversial but I was actually hyped for his subplot here and I am still mad that the whole Scavenger story was cut short like that
>>143257082It's not even the most out there thing Transformers has done. Hell, it's not even the craziest thing the IDW comics have done. Pic related.
>>143256833developing a working hypothesis and then experimentally verify it: it's SCIENCE.
>>143257149I haven't read the IDW comics but I wouldn't mind for the laughs. What's pic related?
>>143257079Yeah, but they also want to fuck bikes, cars and spiders.Human women seem to only want jets.
>>143257172God is not dead. God is a psychotherapist.
>>143257175Incorrect. Some women want to fuck Volkswagens.
>>143256063They are functionally immortal, so I don't know how they are dying out. If they would quit with all the millions of years long wars they might not be dwindling so damn much.
>>143256507In G1 they could always make more whenever it suited them. They just didn't because there was a severe energy shortage and it's insane to create more mouths to feed. But Autobots were getting their asses kicked until they started building Dinobots, Aerialbots, and gargantuan city bots.
>>143257320>They are functionally immortal, so I don't know how they are dying out.A lot of continuities have Optimus launch the thing that gives birth to more of them into space. So no new ones are born and the living ones keep killing each other.
>>143256719>>143256801>>143256851I love human girl / robot guy pairings and self-inserting as the robot guy
>>143257075Combatacons were made by fixing up old abandoned WWII vehicles and old deactivated Decepticon programs that were kept on file.Weeljack just kind of made Dinobots from scratch.
>>143257401Sunbow Transformers were literally mechanical bots made by Quintesson for sale.
>>143257172In IDW1 all the Transformer gods had a big war which resulted in them losing their memories and integrating into the general populace. Turns out the therapist OC is Primus.
>>143257075>>143257359G1 always had other aliens not considering transformers anything special at all. They were just big robots. The casino planet guy did not even care about them since he already owned a lot of robots. Seems like the rest of the alien community just decided Cybertron is some off shithole world overrun by rampant rebellious robots that cannot stop shooting each other. No one else got involved or gave a shit about them for millions of years. Cybertron probably looked like Matrix Earth to every other alien species.
why can't they just use artificial external gestation pods like the Matrix?integrating the artificial womb inside a transformer makes me EXTREMELY uncomfortable.
Bob Budiansky understood the assignment, as the kids say.
>>143257432That's basically what G1 Cybertronians are. Robot slaves that rebelled, kicked their masters off the planet, and took over, until they started warring with each other. They went full Skynet and turned their planet into a warzone shithole that could not even support the inhabitants any longer.Really any functioning organic world had thousands of means of generating power, that no one on Cybertron could generate in 6 million years.
>>143257432The quints used to use Cybertron to make products and slaves to sell to aliens. Cybertron was like Detroit to other aliensQuints were always to be mistrusted so aliens were probably happy when Cybertron went tits up as a factory planet
>>143257448>integrating the artificial womb inside a transformer makes me EXTREMELY uncomfortable.Why? Your mother has oneTransformers stopped being pure robots by the end of season 1 of G1. They had being aliens first and machines second by mid season 2. It's really as simple as pure robots are not fun for writers. It would be like writing DrOiDS for 4 seasons. Alien stories open you up to all kinds of story tellingAlso, some of the writers grew up wanting to write star trek and missed the boat so g1 was a good substitute. This is why the show went full space by season 3
>>143257432A world that maintained a perpetual war for millions of years is not going to be seen as much more than Space Somalia. A shitty place full of crazy warlike beings that just cannot stop killing each other so might as well leave it alone.
>>143254169TFs with these types of visors are always my favorites, especially if they're red.
>>143257496I think you need a few more WHOOPSs on that pic before you go posting it on blue boards
>>143257467I'm suspicious the quints were always going to be revealed to be ancient transformers that gave in to greed and decadence and betrayed abd enslaved the lower classes. I feel like this was planned for season 4 and then shelved and used for the Hive who had done something similar to nebulon. It's brief but the hive was nebulons master class who enslaved the planet with machines and had grown so lazy and fat they could not live without machines. One reason they wanted to be headmasters was to gain strong new bodies and conquer new lands
>kill the lone femme Prime>the species spends the next several eons struggling with maintaining its population... Did Hasbro mean anything by this, or am I just overthinking it? Either way, Megatronus is a piece of shit for doing that. ... Why was there only one female Prime in the first place? The fuck did Primus mean by that?
>>143257605>... Why was there only one female Prime in the first place? The fuck did Primus mean by that?In universe it is because you only see that specific prime as female and transformers do not have a gender binary but a multitude of different ways to existIn reality it is because Hasbro doesn't like making toys of transformer women and some of the writers see transformers as star wars droids that would not have gender despite all the other crazy shit they have like Gods.
>>143257605Yeah you do. The 13 crap was added ages later the population issue is a common TF plot point and it had zero relation to some female prime, TF don't need women.
Never liked the 13 as a concept desu.
>>143257359>so, if everything goes according to plan, Metroplex will be ready in one month's time>Prime, are you sure about this? this is gonna be one humungous Autobot!>Spike, it pains me to say this, but we need to create an Autobot counter-threat to Megatron's armies on Cybertron, though I will admit I'm uneasy about the ethical implications of creating new lives simply to fight in wars>no I mean, when he transforms - >You've been inside a transforming transformer before, Spike, you know it's quite safe - >no no you're not getting it, this guy is three hundred meters tall, right?>right, Spike>so when he transforms how long will that take?>about ninety of your earth seconds>so for ninety seconds all anybody for what eight miles around is going to be able to hear is chock CHOKC SHOCKSOKCSOHSOCKOKSOK?>I suppose that's true>at how many decibels?>Wheeljack?>about 200 decibels, Prime>Wheeljack! that's so loud it will explode a human! or anything else on this planet that isn't a Transformer!>ah fuck>Wheeljack>yes Prime?>did you know about this?>sort of, Prime>can you fix it?>Well... I could wad up some old bedspreads and put them in his hollow spaces, like a big earth drum kit>they're pretty loud, Spike>I don't think you guys understand>we're aliens, Spike>yeah, Spike, don't blame us
>>143254677it's idw, i don't blame him for not wanting to read that shit
>>143257656Me neither I hope that fad will eventually die.
>>143257633>delusional Furman copeIt's so tiring. >>143257635>TF don't need women.I strongly disagree.
>>143256801The artist Ratbat in the 90's was already known for doing TF on human girl porn
Um, the kid has to die, for starters.
>>143255970I wish that one-off enemy had succeeded in killing Anode or whatever her name was so that the comics had had time to develop this story instead.
Since transformers are supposedly genderless (PFFFFFFFTHAHAHAHAHAHAHA), that means any two individuals could procreate, regardless of outward appearance, yes?
>>143257536They're not wrong. Every place the cybertronians go, they bring their war with them.>Go to Earth, Decepticons follow and bring the war with them>Go to Titan, blow up half the planet>Go to Nebulos, begin fighting Autobots for no real reasonSame with that mermaid planet, the arena planet, they just do their gang war bullshit on each world they find themselves on.
>>143254169its retarded
>>143257667its not even the part of IDW you retards whine about. It's the part before that
>>143258155>Since transformers are supposedly genderless (PFFFFFFFTHAHAHAHAHAHAHATransformers being genderless is extremely rare in the franchise.>that means any two individuals could procreate, regardless of outward appearance, yes?That's not how... ANYTHING works, anon.
>>143258155wheeljack made babies (the dinobots) so it stands to reason that windblade and chromia could put their heads together and read some instructions to make a baby
>>143258256>read some instructionsIs that what they're calling it these days?
>>143258155I mean, you chose an instance of a cybertronian society that SPECIFICALLY had distinct sexes but still didn't actually procreate through a particular act but by taking independently generated sparks into prepared bodies
>>143258424>that SPECIFICALLY had distinct sexes*genders
>>143257536IDW did something along the lines of the intergalactic council or whatever washing it's hands of all Cybertronian affairs and just banning them from every other civilized planetOr something to that effect
>>143257685kekThat's what the toys are built around next year
>>143257685ONE potentially giving focus to the Quintesson origin might help you.
>>143259064They're literally in the trailer (as corpses) so don't put too much stock in that yet
>>143254169what's wrong is that that baby is like 10 feet tallnot that there's anytthing wrong iwht that
>>143260610Not a human babyNext question
Bump.
>>143254169>Leave the /pol/shit to yourself.It's impossible to discuss comics with political intent without getting into "/pol/shit."
>>143262013in what fucking way do you think they have "political intent"
>>143260610>feet>>>/tv/
>>143254169>mechs are women, chuddIntroducing femmebots to an extremely autistic audience was a mistake
>>143257665lmao this reads like one of those old transformers dubbed fan shitposts
>>143262438true
>>143262013true
>>143262438>"We can't have cute girls because some whiny assholes will whine about it."Fuck that. The misogynists will have to pry the waifubots out of my cold, dead hands.
>>143257079Slipstream my beloved
>>143255970That's fucking stupid. They can just build more robots. That's all it takes.
>>143262678You can't fix her, anon.
>>143262658Is that sari?
>>143262759Who say she need fixing? She come from starscream she cannot be fix
>>143262760Lickety-Split, a recurring background character from Animated. As you can see, she's adorable.
>>143262779Oh alright thanks anon huh that how I imagine sari if she wasn't a hybrid
>>143262788They are kinda similar, yeah. Goddamn, Animated had a fair amount of cuties.
Where do Headmasters fit it?
There should just be fembots. And bots should be able to date or have light hearted implied dating It opens up additional characterization and stories. The show can not survive on season 1 death ray and energon plots. Look at gobots l, half the best bots are girls. Crasher and cykill carry the show. And everyone likes spider boobs in beast wars. Just have them. It's fine. If Trypticon can be a house and a zilla you can have some fembots
>>143254677>Don't ever have inters in comics on /co/Okay Boomer
>>143254677Don't be so hard on the casuals anon. A dismissive pointer or one line zinger would have been sufficient.
>>143262875>There should just be fembots.Objectively correct. Some of the dumbest shit in this franchise is the result of Hasbro execs assuming that the boys they're targeting don't like girls. Which... I gotta say, when I was but a lad, I was always quite interested in the ladies, so this attitude confuses me to no end.
FRED PERRY IS MY PROPHET.AND IT TURNS OUT WALKY IS ONLY MODERATELY NUTS BY TF STANDARDS.>>143256896Do you REALLY want to know the answer to this? Because /n/ can fill you in. Full on mid air refuling even.
>>143262753They need sparks, which are basically souls. In the IDW continuity Transformers have no means of "biological" reproduction, instead fields of sparks spring up when energy signals from a massive quantum supercomputer tell them to. The sparks are then extracted and given bodies.Those signals from the supercomputer stopped coming, thus no new sparks. The multimillion year civil war has pushed the population to breaking point.
>>143262875Typically when female Transformers are included that's usually the explanation, even as far back as G1 with Elita One and her group. The only time the writing ever got weird about the subject was because Simon Furman had a rod up his ass about it, which meant IDW1 kept having to address and readdress the matter.
>>143263033It's because female characters in boy toylines don't sell as well.It's all market analysis stuff.It's the same with all those Batman/He-Man variants, kids for some reason just buy shit like Blizzard Strike Batman.
I genuinely don't understand what tone or vibe IDW Transformers is going for and I've read several volumes worth of it. It often just feels like a bunch of raw ideas on paper with very little substantial planning bridging the gap between point A to point B.I remember this one storyline I read, Stormbringer, introduced this big ominous threat that was apparently threatening alien civilizations and presented as this big unstoppable event.... Then Optimus Prime just equips like 10 guns and just shoots it till it's down. All on his own. And then they try to walk it back like "Ah, it was the destroyer of worlds, but it had a fatal weakness of getting shot a lot!".That anticlimax seems really umbiquitos with the IDW Transformers I have read.
>>143257092There's one where Cliffjumper's spark is transferred to an organic body
>>143263336Doesn't Stormbringer's climax involve making Thunderwing burn through his energy reserves? It's been over fifteen years since I last read it. Regardless, IDW gets very bumpy as Furman's arc is truncated to pave way for a maxi-series, then a tepid ongoing series (with a reallybbad finale) before finally finding a consistent voice when they split into two sister books. Even then they're still flawed, but it makes an overall interesting (if very messy) tapestry.
>>143254169Wasn't the first ever "transformer" a humanoid named Prima?
>>143262864Isn't headmaster just the transformers' version of mexha pilots?
>>143263417Prima was the first prime too dumbfuck. And he was mechanical.>>143263237Also more bulky shapes make it easier designing the toys transformation instead of relying on shellforming.And secondly those whole like fembots aren't the main audience for the mainline toys. Even if I'd love for a 15+ fembot only line with no lore just cute fembots.
>>143263336>I genuinely don't understand what tone or vibe IDW Transformers is going for and I've read several volumes worth of it. It starts off trying to be a postmodern political thriller of sorts with the introduction of infiltration protocol etc. Furman quickly loses the thread by instead introducing his Dead Universe materia, which ultimately never amounts to much of anything. All Hail Megatron was meant to reverse the trend of declining sales, but mostly just served up some overwrought, deadly serious load of nothing. The Decepticons murder millions upon millions of people then just skulk in the ruins and make posturing remarks, while the Autobots just get to sit on their hands until they're able to go and punch Megatron in the face. Starscream is made leader but the subsequent ongoing immediately decides not to explore that at all.The ongoing attempts to return things to having a political angle (Autobots doing clandestine missions and Decepticons overtly allying with foreign powers), but is hamstrung by even greater emphasis on decompressed storytelling than AHM and a writer who openly admitted to hating the idea that the Transformers could have things like feelings, beliefs, relationships and character arcs. It sets up a few pieces after its initial arcs only to swerve into a bombastic finale (called CHAOS) that had no prior connection to much of anything, all to wipe things clean for another bold new direction.
>>143263504Depends on the continuity.
>>143263549Cybertron is reduced to primordial slurry after the Chaos story event and the war is basically declared over. This combined with AHM explicitly wiping out the vast majority of the Autobot army means that the Cybertronian race is dwindling. The series then splits into two books: one out in space with a crew on a quest to find a utopia mentioned in legend, and one set on Cybertron dealing with the political fallout of a post-war status quo and an influx of non-allied Transformer refugees who were displaced by the war. Both have their strengths and shortcomings (the latter is much darker, but the former more popular) and the setting becomes more overtly outlandish in its sci-fi concepts, which is difficult to reconcile with Furman's initial tone and portrayal of the war and Cybertron. New ideas are pushed to the fore and it's insisted they've always been there, typically to do with the origins of the Decepticons as a movement. The sister books also end up tripping over a series of big dumb Events that grow incredibly tiresome, especially as they become more explicitly focused on advertising toys. Each successive new wave also keeps returning to the well of "secret, forgotten history of the Transformer race" until it's utterly tapped; Furman started with the first Ark mission and by the time Roberts is done we've literally met the first five Cybertronians to ever exist. Anyway, after both books steadily run out of steam they hit the Unicron button and end things on one last big, dumb battle to secure a happily ever after.
>>143257075How many days did those several episodes take place over?And how long is the gestation period in the above image?Also, it feels like less of a risk to make the body first then put the spark in it than it is to grow both at the same time.
I remember the rat guy saying he had a aunt in Beast War, so I always though they fucked.
>>143263507IF I ever rip-off the transformers, I'll make a setting where cute fembots are locked in a million years long civil war across the cosmos
>>143263992Maybe he used to be close with someone who turned into an ant?
>>143263992They fuck in other continuities, just not IDW.
>>143264013Are you me?
>>143254169Ok time to nuke Awerica. You had a good run but all good things come to an end.
>>143254169They made it real, what a time to be alive.
>>143264239Where does she get the material to be two meter tall even though she is a motorcycle in the film?
>>143264052They only fuck in Beast Wars (if Rattrap's various innuendos are true) and the Victory manga. Everywhere else, they don't fuck. BW and the Victory manga are exceptions, not general trends.
>>143264632mass shifting
So what exactly is the crux of the conflict between the two robot factions, what is so fucking hard for them to agree on to cause constant in ifghting?
>>143264670Depends on continuity.Sometimes it's because they're wired diffirently.Sometimes it's just disagreements and everyone lives for so long they'll still hold a grudge over being called a faggot a 10000 years ago.And sometimes it's just Megatron/Starscream/[insert Decepticon leader] refusing to give up.
>>143264670It depends on the universe. it's been, at various points of the franchise:- simple lust for power- fighting over literal power, as in resources- a bid for freedom that then goes too farWe've had good handful of series where the war is properly officially over, but some bad guys is trying to start it again. There's even been a couple rare universes where the war just straight-up never happened.
>>143264670>So what exactly is the crux of the conflict between the two robot factions?Differs from continuity to continuity. The only recurring throughline is an emergent energy crisis that ends up shaping the war, and even that isn't strictly true for the likes of Beast Wars, RiD or the later parts of the Unicron Trilogy.
>>143264649Tbh, the movies tries to make them on scale. Bumblebee is like 3 meters tall in the new one.
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>>143264817fred perry drew tons of this pairing
>>143264817>>143264828Giwtwm
>>143263336Furman IDW is mostly garbage. It didn't get good until RiD and MTME and even those became garbage around Dark Cybertron
>>143263336IDW1 lasted for 13 years. There was bound to be some tonal shifts.
>>143264841What characters are those btwOficial or ocs?
>>143263237>It's because female characters in boy toylines don't sell as well.This is true to an extent. They don't sell as well as the main dude. But most of any line does not sell as well as main dude. They just need to get the mix right on the box they ship out. Four main dudes, 4 side dudes. And 1 side dude is a female. Even April O'Neil will sell if you just put 1 per box of 8. Oh and make the female attractive and a good toy. Companies always blame the vagina when usually a female toy does poorly because the character sucks in the show or the toy is bad.
>>143265508How about making the fembot the main dude. Like a female prime?
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>>143264052>They fuck in other continuities, just not IDW.I mean...they probably do fuck. The quints were selling them as slaves. What do you think a female shaped slave robot would be purchased to do? Arcee is shown to be motherly and obsessive over Daniel enough to risk her entire species. If she is being motherly, that implies she can have babies. If it romantic, well that also implies she likes sex and might could have babies. Anyway, everything gets easier if you just assume they have gender and want to fuck and have babies BUT you downplay it all like every other cartoon for kids. Obviously every character on GI Joe can and does have sex. But there is no real reason to talk about the sex. But it can also flesh out dialog and stories when some of the male and female characters are a little too familiar with each other. Just keep doing what was done in season 3 where you have a couple fembots and they get a little flirty and obsessive about other characters and just not show the robo fucking. Trying to avoid this has produced infinitely weirder shit and arguably even less kid friendly shit than saying "yes, they have boys and girls, yes they have romantic relationships, yes they have babies, no we will never show them do more than kiss and hug."Shit just think about g1 cartoonPoweglide almost dates a humanSeaspray almost dates an alien girlElite 1 and Optimus Other fembots being cheeky men on the teamHot rod becomes a human and probably fucks the crime lords wifeArcee being flirty with hot rodArcee being flirty with springerArcee being motherly or obsessed with DanielFembots sold as slaves These things probably date and fuck. Things get even more obvious when you look at beast wars
>>143264670>So what exactly is the crux of the conflict between the two robot factions, what is so fucking hard for them to agree on to cause constant in ifghting?Decepticons were made to be sold as military products. After quints leave planet they are good boys for a little bit and focus on being police and a standing military. They eventually get tired of protecting and sharing power with the non combat transformers and attempt to take power. The non combat units say "no"The short of it is the quints made sentient military alien robots and they skynetted. If you are a marvel guy, and like thenidea of Primus, Primus made the autobots and decepticons to take care of his body and protect it while he sleeps. The decepticons eventually get bored of doing this and want to conquer everything.
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>>143265813>If you are a marvel guy, and like thenidea of Primus, Primus made the autobots and decepticons to take care of his body and protect it while he sleeps.No, in Marvel Primus made the Transformer race as an army against Unicron.
>>143265671>Female truckHot
>>143265865TWO female trucks
>>143265739>Poweglide almost dates a human>Seaspray almost dates an alien girl>Elite 1 and Optimus>Other fembots being cheeky men on the team>Hot rod becomes a human and probably fucks the crime lords wife>Arcee being flirty with hot rod>Arcee being flirty with springer>Arcee being motherly or obsessed with Daniel>Fembots sold as slavesOh I forgot, Octain looking at porn. Yep, Octain watches softcore and it has never been deleted from any version of the showWhy would that exist in the show if the robots didn't have sexual desire
>>143262864On top usually
>>143263646I've tried reading IDW twice, maybe three times, and only ever got maybe a dozen issues past Dark Cybertron
>>143262864>Where do Headmasters fit it?The US headmasters doesn't last long enough to answer the question. I have a feeling G1 was going to turn Daniel into a transformer hybrid and eventually date Arcee when he became an adult. It feels like they knew the show was going to get canceled and wanted to throw in some of their more crazier ideas. . Daniel and arcee were obsessed with each other in the final season and they crippled Daniel so that he could only live as a headmaster The only narrative choice to make sense would be turning him into a hybrid or entirely Cybertron with matrix magic. Otherwise he'd been stuck as half a giant metal woman and I don't think that would have stuck for the late 80s. As for the others. Nebulons normally match the gender of their bot body. Which was always male. And sex doesn't come into it. I think there was some dating between three or four of the heads in the marvel comic but I don't recall this having any importance to their bodies. In Japan they are just mech suits for the small human or robot that forms the head.
>>143266001Whyare youtypinglike this?Do youhavebrain damage?
>>143265813That's just two branches of G1.
>>143254169For some reason, everyone said it was M-Preg. I personally thought it was an interesting idea, trying to weaponize Humanity, seeing how the Autobots keep foiling them with Humanities help.
>>143265954Shockwave has an even weirder plan, if you can believe that.
>>143266038>What are paragraphs?
>>143266090Brain damage confirmed.
>>143264817>>143264828Road Rage, my beloved.
>>143266001Marvel also had them slowly overlap their consciousness with their Cybertronian partners, becoming one sort of hybrid personality. This was either a side-affect that went unforseen or an unexpected consequence of being bonded long term.
>>143266038You have to be an adult to post here anon
>>143266063Yes, I don't have the desire or energy to write out idw's whole thing
>>143266270you don't need to, it was already explained earlier in the thread.
>>143266038They'reCalledParagraphsYouFucking Retard
>>143266038lmao, do YOU have brain damage?
>>143266145>Marvel also had them slowly overlap their consciousness with their Cybertronian partners, becoming one sort of hybrid personality. This was either a side-affect that went unforseen or an unexpected consequence of being bonded long term.Yeah, the cartoon was going to get weird with Daniel and Arcee if they kept down this road. What is the science fiction outcome of bonding the minds of horny teen boy and a giant robot woman? If their affection is familial does Daniel just become a robomilf? Does arcee become a teen boy? If their feelings are romantic, is the binding process like marriage?Though sunbow being sunbow I bet they would sweep it under the rug by having Daniel be cured of having his body crushed OR given him a new male headmaster and toy. G1 sunbow would hit most of their hard scifi topics pretty fast and loose and rarely revisit them. In hind sight we are lucky we got as much as we did on their history as slaves
>>143262875Almost every single fembot is garbage so no. Besides that every fucking cartoon is already full of girl shit the whole fucking industry is pandering to trannies like you and you still want to ban males for the men that actually relate with men and want cool shit. One of the main reasons for why I am into TF in the first place it's that's one of the less than a handful of series with a primary male cast. I can tell you relate to women by the reddit spacing. I admit that Roadrage, Shadow Striker and IDW2's Flamwar are decent though but I bet you like them the least.
>>143266076how could it be m-preg? robots don't have sexes or genders
>>143266564Are you the same anon that was getting super weird about Arcee and Daniel fucking in a thread a while back? Because you sound like that fucko.
>>143266564>In hind sight we are lucky we got as much as we did on their history as slavesHonestly, especially compared to contemporary shows of the time, the Transformers end up with a pretty comprehensive history that only gets murky once or twice. They even remember to have young Alpha Trion during a slave revolt episode in the third season.
>>1432665941) It wasn't mpreg. That's the point of anon's post. People either just reductively joked about it being mpreg, or didn't know any context and thought it actually was.2) The Cybertronian species aren't robots.3) Cybertronians have gender.
>>143266594Even ignoring the use of addressing each other as he/him, they clearly have masculine genders. You couldn't honestly look at a character design like Optimus Prime and say otherwise.
>>143266581>I can tell you relate to women by the reddit spacing.Reddit spacing doesn't exist. You should be banned for being underage. People have spaced between paragraphs online since bbs, usenet and email. You have to be a literal child to think reddit invented anything
>>143263336It's a long (too long) continuity so it depends on the series. I forgot basically everything from the Furman and Costa era and Barber was chaotic as shit in the end the honestly the IMO worst part of IDW by far, but his earlier works and most other series felt consistent. Well normally consistent at least. Ignoring bullshit like shortened subplots because of cancellations or something.
>>143266594>robots don't have sexes or gendersTransformers are not pure robots. They are only just robots in the first half of season 1 of G1. By season 2 and the introduction of Primus in the comics, they are aliens first and robots second. They have gender, they have a god, they have an afterlife, they even have ghosts. They are not pure robots.
>>143266629Gender shit doesn't make any sense though, the literal only reason "gender" is a concept because of the sex and the roles resulting from this. Most languages don't even have a word for "gender" they only know "sex".
>>143266625It's above average lore wise. There are some contradictions from season 1 and 3 but they can mostly be hand waved with easy explorations like optimus made the sparks for the dinobots with the matrix and that is why they are stupid because only vector sigma can make fully adult sparks. It's impressive any of it makes sense because I don't think they had a lore Bible and the show probably had 30 different writers. Even Paul dini wrote some episodes
>>143266711One is biological, the other is social. >Most languages don't even have a word for "gender" they only know "sex". Taking refuge in foreign languages isn't really going to dispel the idea, since there are languages with gendered nouns and languages that don't even differentiate with pronouns like he/she. The Japanese don't distinguish between "lava" and "magma" either, but it's a distinction that still exists.
>>143266754This is why I hope that Skybound will basically do some G1/MarvelUK revamp and updated version with more in-depth writing, better side characters and a more serious tone (and way better look).
>>143256833>was he literally just acting off a hunch planning to cross his fingers and hope it worked?It worked for the Demiurge.
>>143266711Them having a god, an after life and ghosts does not make sense. Trypticon and sky lynx not having humanoid alt forms does not make sense. The terrorcons, dinobots and predacons liking their animal forms best does not make sense. People get hung up gender but not the fact the transformers have a God and have killed their version of Satan.
>>143262753Look, it's Mad Science from a robot, adding more metal bits simply won't cut it for that
>>143266776Yeah and why should a social female and male role exist without sex? Explain that.>Taking refuge in foreign languagesIt's not a foreign language you monkey, it's my mother tongue. English isn't the standard. Besides that the fact that it exists shows that humans don't necessarily tell gender shit apart from sex. >>143266812>Them having a god, an after life and ghosts does not make sense.I agree and this is fine. My point isn't that it doesn't make sense, TFs having mouths doesn't necessarily make sense either. My point are idiots that try to make it make sense for their gender politics when the real reason for why m/f exist in this franchise is pandering and toy sales. Arcee was introduced for men that desire female characters and the types of women that need fictional women because they cannot relate to men.
>>143266812>Trypticon and sky lynx not having humanoid alt forms does not make sense.One what grounds does it not make sense? The Transformer race clearly values variety, as seen when you look from Megatron to Bumblebee to Ravage to Shockwave to Omega Supreme; they're all equally "Transformers".
>>143262753>They can just build more robots.>That's all it takesApparently if you do not involve the transformer god you get bad results Whatever wheeljack and the quints do with put vector sigma produces bots with child minds that take forever to mature.The dinobots, terrorcons, sharkticons and Trypticon are all given life without going to vector sigma and they have the minds of 8 year olds.
>>143266855>Arcee was introduced for men that desire female characters and the types of women that need fictional women because they cannot relate to men.Arcee was introduced because Ron Fried man, a writer for the movie, knew that his daughter really enjoyed watching 80s cartoons and wanted to put something in for kids like her.
>>143266879They make as much sense as robot women. Its just stupid to make this thread every 14 days while not asking how transformers have ghosts or were able to kill the robot devil.How can someone get hung up robot gender and not the fact transformers have the only confirmed god for their series
>>143266704>They are only just robots in the first half of season 1 of G1. By season 2 and the introduction of Primus in the comics, they are aliens first and robots second.>They have gender, they have a god, they have an afterlife, they even have ghosts. They are not pure robots.The G1 cartoon is one of the rare times where they ARE just robots. Robots with cartoon ghosts sure, but still just robots. Primus doesn't exist in the G1 cartoon. Neither do sparks.
>>143266939I think also because it allows for more story ideas I mean...even GI Joe had women and no one asks about that.
>>143266879I actually would love of there was more diversity regarding that. Too many TFs look too human or are based off the same model. I want at least something like Zaku or more tanks. Standard cars are the lamest bots.
>>143266983>The G1 cartoon is one of the rare times where they ARE just robots. Robots with cartoon ghosts sureIf you can have a ghost then you have a soul.
>>143266983Vector sigma is pretty much their Primus. And they had souls/sparks. The combaticons were pretty much in spark jail and starscream became a ghost, so their souls could exist outside their bodies. The comic and cartoon used different words for the same shit and it wouldn't be unified until beast wars, though that is technically its own timeline
>>143266939I honestly despised Arcee as a kid since I hated pink characters and she didn't look like a Transformer to me. Still don't like her, later female designs (comics) were much better in my opinion.
>>143267054That's fair. She's more enjoyable in the series than in the movie, but she's never really in the spotlight anyway. She's one of those characters that took a few swings to get right.
I can't believe I would rather watch a whole movie about the weird daily life of Scorponok and son with some Flame hijinks than whatever that thing from the new trailer wants to be.
Arcee a cute, and she'll stab you for being a hater.
>>143257392Not me, I like the opposite. I am human and I want to fuck aliens to demonstrate the superiority of the human cock
>>143267332The new what now?
>>143267679Why wouldn't you at least post good Arcee art if you like her? There is no way she doesn't have a lot of high tier fanart.
>>143267701The trailer? For the new movie we've known about for ages? That was released yesterday? That we've had multiple threads about?
>>143257149This was the dumbest part of the dumbest shjt that fucker wrote. Making his OC Donut Steele fucking Primus is beyond fucking egotistical
>>143257432Cybertron is just Space Detroit. Prove me wrong.
>>143256807in fact jack did it with two others bots, well a bot and a con
>>143267701I meant the trailer for ONE. I bet that the majority will eat it up but I was surprised by how bad it was and I already expected something quite bad.
I prefer Arcee with Hot Rod but Arcee with Daniel is ok
>>143267836Hotrod can't compete with BTCC (big triple changer cock). Springer owns that ass.
>>143256659>Humans are sexually compatible with every alien species
>>143254169I dont recall this being controversial.They established that scorponok was into real weird shit.
>>143254169Scorponok should have won. I really hated the IDW1 ending we got. I hate it when they mass kill bots.
>>143255076That's pretty much it. The hard part is getting that spark from the Matrix, which is doesn't do often.
>>143255970So thats where Games Workshop stole the idea for this nigga from
>>143254169>artificial wombwhat an inceltron.
on a scale of 1 to 10, how "robotic" do you like your transformers to be?"0" being mundane robots with ghosts inhabiting it, and a "10" being fantasy living creatures with souls and shit who just so happens to have metal & non-organic body parts.
>Hayato drawing Bravern>I still recognize his style instantly I really like the way he draws, wish the comics had/could have had way more often on board.
get all this unnatural birthing methods out of here, the only natural ones are Primus creating life or Unicron juice duplicating yourself while you're unconscious and giving you a bastard son
>>143268152That makes DWJ's art look like shit, just hire Japanese artists for TFs.
>>143268138Hard to tell because of how individual definitions and styles vary. The new movie has faces that look very "human" or doll-like for example and I really hate it. But I am not sure if that counts as more or less robotic. The faces Griffith or Milne draw for example look human too but the style actually fits to the helmets and I like the style by itself. I would say I want both. There should be very robotic bots and some that are more human like showing the full face (opposed to having mask-faces) and having human habits like drinking, having internal conflicts and everything to make them relatable while others are just machinelike or cool. No body shapes that look "soft" though, I fucking hate that. So I would say that 7/10 is my limit.
>>143268138Hot takeI think Bayverse had the perfect blend they are what we perceive as just robots but with a lot of alien elements
>>143268209Hayato was always fun I deeply respect this guy. He is a hardcore fan of TF and all of its aspects and he can do both types of fanservice, the continuity cross-over and character driven fanservice as well as the raunchy fanservice, so he doesn't shy away from drawing doujinshi for it. His comics also look good, especially when he's paired up with Josh as colorist.
>>143254169with or without context, this is fucking weird
>>143257496Dear god my eyes.I've only seen one other thing that's about as horrible as...THAT.picrel....kinda. If you know, you know.
>>1432681380. I think it's way more interesting to have them be full robots with souls than shit like atechnogenesis. They can be built on an assembly line but they have the unlimited potential of a soul inside.
https://files.catbox.moe/jcg1k0.jpgthis is how i always imagined mechanoid pregnancy working. Either they entirely build a new body or they have to gestate a spark for a while before it's bornalso bonushttps://files.catbox.moe/15ruwv.jpg
>>143266812Laserbeak and Ravage were just plain animals long before Sky Lynx and Trypticon were invented.
>>143262753G1 got around that with the whole energy shortage situation. No one could afford to build more robots if it meant more bots to take the already dwindling energy supplies. They had been rationing energon for millions of years and were scrounging in the ruins for whatever they could find....6 million years ago.
>>143266704Wasn't sparks more of a method to explain why they do not just rebuild all small bots into large or giant ones? Because I guess it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense to have near useless tiny guys around like Seaspray and Cosmos if they could have been built up to Astrotrain size and be useful to the whole war cause.
>>143267746Cybertron is space Rwanda A war torn shithole with no food and plenty of warlords. All they export are refugees that take their gang war shit with them to every other planet they relocate to.
>>143257432I imagine most organic species would not want to get involved in that. Cybertron was a robot rebellion world so there are some red flags already. On top of that they instigate a civil war that reduces the planet to burnt out nightmare.Most aliens coming across Matrix Earth or Terminator Earth are not going to want to have a damn thing to do with it. Not since a rampant AI exterminated all the organics and only seems to exist to build lasers and kill things. Cybertron seems no different. If anything, quarantine the planet and make goddamn sure nothing gets off would be the main goal for any space civilization.
why is earth special in Transformers in continuities where the ark didn't land here in dinosaur times
>>143268138I never understood what was wrong with them just being robots. G1 had a perfect concise explanation for everything. Aliens built transformers, Cybertron was a factory world, Autobots were workers, Decepticons were military. It all works.I don't see any reason to add in robot god, sparks, or robot evolution since none of that was necessary in the first place.
>>143272945Sparks were introduced in Beast Wars.>>143273011That depends. Why do you ask?
>>143273051Because storytelling diversity is fun, you twat.
>>143273055ideas for my fanfic
>>143273051Because robots are stupid,and so are yougo fuck yourself
>>143273055>Sparks were introduced in Beast Wars.this does not answer the question that was asked
>>143258492That's an entirely different thing. Be quiet.
Why was IDW so edgy?
>>143273051I prefer this interpretation too but a lot of the other stuff came from the marvel comics
>>143273069Sure but we never get the original origin
>>143273105>That's an entirely different thing....Yeah? That's why I corrected you. You were using the entirely different incorrect term.>>143273098The question was assuming that sparks were an explanation for something in G1, when they didn't even EXIST as a concept for G1. It answered the question by rendering it moot. The answer is "No".
>>143273145The ORIGINAL origin was mechanical evolution started by naturally-occurring pulleys and levers, in the first issue of the Marvel comic.Then the cartoon (a separate universe and thus a separate origin) did the "made by Quints" origin.Then Marvel went but and retconned its own origin by saying Primus made them.
>>143273204>went butwent back*
>>143254169>Jihaxus forces arcee to troon out to introduce the concept of gender to transformers >doesn't even give arcee the ability to reproduce (pretty much the only major benefit to giving giant robots genders)so not only was Jihaxus insane but he was also stupid
this thread was a mistake.
>>143273228Sex and gender are two different things. They often match, but they're still different things.Transformers (usually) don't have sexes. They (usually) have genders.
>>143273255Yeah that's true if you accept bullshit. Dr. John Money the pedophile "sexologist" came up with that in the 50s. Gender and sex were the same since those words were coined in English. And they still are the same in almost every other language
>>143273051Because fucking kill yourself
>>143268138A 0 for me. Prefectly happy having with them being machines with souls. All that energy being and techo-organic shit doesnt mix with me.>>143273051I agree with you. Would prefer a return to form.
>>143254677There are plenty of recap channels for manga/manhwa/manhua, there needs to be for western comics as well, so no one has to waste time on them.
>>143255970>- (Scorponok is simply, and literally, carrying that child in him. He's not actually robo-male-pregnant. The baby capsule gets taken it out of him later on and is just carried around like a football.)That's how sea horses work
>>143255970>The Transformer species aren't actually robots, they're Star Trek-style pure energy ball aliens that use robot bodies to better perceive and explore their environments. This energy ball is called the Transformer's sparkFuck that bullshit. Transformers are robots, plain and simple. Somehow their metal is living, the same as our flesh. The more you question it, the less you understand it.
>>143273592Male sea horses contribute nutrients to the babies they're carrying. Scorponok just had a baby jar in his chest pocket.
>>143273664>disputes fact>posts fanart of an example of that fact, of a series that uses that fact
>>143268138I can go without the fantasy shit but them being a species of metal aliens is far more distinct and interesting than them being soulless, built machines desu
>>143273825
>>143273051The fucking rage you inspire with a few words. This work is better off dead when it gets this bad.
>>143268138honestly this wouldn't be so much of a problem if they simply just have multiple different Transformers subspecies that evolved differently or some shit like that.
>>143274033it's not a problem to begin with
>>143268138sentient robots like the terminator would be incredibly boring.i much prefer transformers be dead ghosts inhabiting robotic shells.
>>143273051So what you are saying is, you are not a fan, never read or watched anything Transformers at all, cannot give a shit about the lore, but still think you should make grand sweeping changes to it all anyway just because.
>>143274033So like Cybertronians, Junkions, Insecticons, Sharkticons, Terrorcons, do you know anything about this series at all?
>>143274116lmao the seethe just a few sentences can incite.
i prefer transformers just be dudes.no spark, no gods, no demigods, no allspark, no reproduction, no sex, no romance.just dudes.
>>143274396With that combination you're pretty much just limited to Playskool Go-Bots, then.
>>143273765>Soulless machinesSparks make them literally robots with souls though
>>143257079I would a Slipstream.
>>143274571no youre just not creative.
>>143256719I'm still so salty that RoTB wasn't Bumblebee 2 with Charlie hanging out with Bumblebee.In my headcanon Bumblebee goes to "that drive-in theatre" to spend time with Charlie.
>>143255970Why does Scorponok look like a normal robot and not a scorpion robot like the cartoonWhy the fuck is he mpreg instead of just growing it in a test tube or whatever
>>143265739The TFWiki also mentions that while there isn't much to imply Transformers have sex in order to reproduce, it doesn't mean it doesn't happen and is just not discussed. We know human have sex for reproduction, but that's not really shown in TF media either. >admittedly, there isn't a lot of direct evidence for humans reproducing sexually in most Transformers media, which is, after all, aimed towards kids
>>143265822Why are so many anons so adverse to reading? Is it too difficult for you?
>>143275252anon that's what's called "a joke".>>143275151Creativity has nothing to do with it. Playskool Gobots had a VERY shortlived cartoon, and it checks all the requirements you listed.>>143275186Scorponok's scorpion mode is his altmode. he still has a robot mode.
>>143275270I value my time juuuuust enough to not want to read all that bullshit.
>>143256301>Fred Perry predicted cybertronians in organic bodiesIt bugs me no end how Fred Perry produces so many comics with great premises and yet I can't stand reading them, because he insists on going so insane with the exaggerated anatomy.
>>143275318This board is 90% reading, what else are you gonna do?
>>143275368have better reading comprehension than you, apparently
>>143275378Please, >>143265739 takes fuck all time to read, and is one of the more relevant posts to this whole thread. Anons who see a post more than three lines long and immediately nope, are cancer.
>>143275402it's funny to me how much you're missing the point
>>143273670I know. It's just a weird fact that I never get to bring up.
>>143275439Irrelevant. I'm not missing MY point, which is that it's not difficult or particularly time consuming to read a post that long, and making a post declaring that you're not reading a post that long just makes you look like a moron.
>>143271687Yeah thisMy head canon is that fembots tend to be small so they can use their energy to produce sparks. When they aren't pregnant they funnel that energy into speed or weapons
https://rule34hentai.net/post/view/592798
>>143272945Sparks are a scifi word for soul or personality components to explain how starscream could be a ghost or rodomis or optimus could go inside the matrix or exactly what "it" was that vector sigma or Primus put inside a robot body.It was coined in beast wars to unite a lot of loose ideas from both the cartoon and comic into one unified term
>>143272965>All they export are refugees that take their gang war shit with them to every other planet they relocate to.Autobots are shown in most communities to be pretty chill. Decepticons without leaders can sometimes be chill too
>>143275578You can also explain that the reason they have breasts or large chests in general is to accommodate a second spark chamber.
>>143273011>why is earth special in Transformers in continuities where the ark didn't land here in dinosaur timesDepends on the continuity. In the old cartoon it's because the earth has a lot of different fuels that can be used to create energon. Others have lost artifacts on earthSome have earth being just unicron covered in space dust.And yet another has earth being a giant sleeping fembot
>>143273122Because Freeman is autistic
>>143273161>The question was assuming that sparks were an explanation for something in G1, when they didn't even EXIST as a concept for G1. It answered the question by rendering it moot. The answer is "No".If you want to ignore the term sparks, that is fine, but sparks was always intended to create a common term to unify ideas already present in the comics and cartoons.You can choose to ignore it, but it's a term for things that existed already in the 80s . What it describes is not new and is not a new concept
>>143273592name one sea horse that ever held down a fucking job
>>143275748sea horses have the highest kill rates in the game thanks to specing into the delta-p skill
>>143275320Bulkhead/Miko is about the only sex scene I can stand because he can't bullshit the anatomy and has to find a way to make it work. The "cock of the primes" stuff is dumb.
>>143275186>Why does Scorponok look like a normal robot and not a scorpion robot like the cartoonMarvel had a lot of trouble with scale. They made scorponok as big as prime because power master prime and scorponok toys are the same size. Which makes sense. Japan and the US animators know that giant base robots beating each pther's ass are fucking awesome, so they put that in the cartoon. But yeah, no one can fucking agree on how tall scorps is.
>>143275252They probably have sex in at least the beast wars timeline. Spiderboobs has a vagina on an X-rayThere is no reason for the romantic tensions between the shows two or three couples if they don't at least kiss and fondle each other for happy fun feeling timeRat trap calls arcee his aunt employing some sort of lineage They probably have sex and Hasbro is probably never going to admit they do because it is a kids cartoon.And even if they didn't have sex with each other the autobots should technically be able to and enjoy sex with aliens because they were sold as slaves to organics.Why would the quints make female autobots attractive and sell them to organics if they couldn't fuck?
>>143275632>breasts or large chests in general is to accommodate a second spark chamberOr unique equipment that allows them to convert energon into sparks
>>143275764that's a vocation, not a job
>>143254169>>143255970>>143273825BTW, IDW did actually have something closer to mpreg.The Titans were gigantic Transformers that changed from robot to starship to city. They were not immune to locations on Cybertron being seeded with sparks. Titans sent out to colonize other worlds would bring the sparks they were seeded with with them, and those sparks would emerge from them on their new world. The spark would also leech metal out of the Titan to form their protoform.
>>143275999This was such a a weard knod to Godzilla, who was often male or female depending on what then movie needed. They would almost always using male pronouns and yet Godzilla had a child and could grow new selves
>>143276018>This was such a a weard knod to GodzillaIt... really wasn't.
>>143276018
>>143275820>But yeah, no one can fucking agree on how tall scorps is.Agreement isn't relevant here. G1 Scorponok is titan sized as a figure, and in the show. The comics never meant shit and were completely inaccurate from the start. The staunch refusal of comicstards to accept reality doesn't mean there is a lack of agreement, it means there are simply people who refuse to acknowledge they're fucking wrong about Scorponoks correct size.
>>143276057You have anger issues. Please seek therapy.
>>143276084>statement of fact is confused as angerDo you think cursing equals anger or something retard? This is 4chan. Cursing comes natural.
>>143271687Is that your art?
>>143273365Truth nuke, the word gender was made so little kids wouldn't say sex
>>143275697Half Life 3 confirmed
>>143273365uh huhEnglish has at least five genders, one of which is only used for talking about crowns, all of which have existed for centuries; some languages eg Swahili do away with traditional Roman-style gendered nouns and have nine fucking not!genders for explaining whether a table is a woman or a dog is a manplease don't be such a tard that you fail to understand that all languages use multiple genders while you're falling for the obvious baitI mean shit idiot if you really think that sex=gender what the fuck sex do you think it refers to? what goddamned fucking dickless snatchless freaks do you think have been arising in such number that literally every language ever has a neuter gender for talking about stuff that's nonhuman or lacks a sex because it's fucking inanimate or a weird plural? you goddamn sack of crap eating a dead doggender in language isn't related to sex AT ALL, it's just a convenience that mostly intersects with itand it's not even the same kind of gender that the trannies are baiting you with, moron
>>143273051See, i appreciate liking specific versions of a story more than others, but if they hadn't diversified the backstory, then the series would have died with G2. By the start of Beast Wars, Transformers was on life support and Kenner threw a Hail Mary based on the idea that the Jurassic Park toys were selling like hot cakes. They completely changed the mythos of Transformers going forward and almost 30 years later and it's still going strong, so clearly, they had the right idea.
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>>143276057>The comics never meant shit and were completely inaccurate from the start.The comics were written by the guy who wrote all the bios on the back of the toys.In fact, some characters were more accurate to their bios in the comic than they were in the cartoon (most infamously, Shockwave).
>>143255324geg
>>143275771Youkaiyume does good shit. Has a really nice artstyle, and even though the only pairing she focuses on is Bumblebee and Charlie, she draws Charlie with different versions of Bee (including a mer species thing version that she made up).
>>143254169I love how gay Transformer comics are
>>143254169>Source of power Cyber Fetus!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSgHc1rpqTw
>>143276118And repressed old men in government, who probably fuck little kids anyway.
>>143254169>Why would people be annoyed about a serious centred around giant robot introducing the concept of them becoming human and carry embryos inside of themI despise IDW for what they did to the IP and fanbase.
>>143276728Gender=/=Pronouns
>>143278778
>>143275632>>143275911>>143275578i like this
>>143273161>>143275743dont they call them laser cores in some early stuff
>>143276057comics came first.
>>143278876>>143278778I like the KO with the Arcee head better
>>143276869I wouldn't say they changed it so much as they cleaned up the patchwork of lore between the show and comic. And not for soe grand artistic reason. Just that kids did not have web access yet so it would have been hard for them to back and read the comic and watch the cartoon.It was just easier to clean it up
>>143277277The toys have different box art and comic derived bios because when GI Joe came out it was prohibitive for cartoons to sell toys. But not comics. That's also how Shogun warriors and Godzilla got marvel comics. The law was retracted or changed before season 1 was even complete though but the toys being for the comic lived on just in case the law came back. That's why there was a commercial for the GI Joe comic despite comics not really making enough money for TV commercials. Hasbro wanted a clear clean argument that the toys and cartoon came from the comic which were not controlled or regulated by the fcc
>>143273051That makes you a minority. A minority that includes people who stopped at G1 and never actually watched or read anything else ever again. So you are really just an 80s toy fanboy and not actually a fan of Transformers at all since you go to such great lengths to ignore 99% of the franchise history.In other words, you are not a fan, you don't belong here, no one gives a shit about your opinion.
>>143279237Lol, don't gate keepHe can like what he likes.It is funny there is a whole generation of men in their 40s and early 50s who came into transformers from star wars and see them as giant soulless droids that turn into stuff and get very angry when they are not.These guys love the first wave of toys and were already checking out mid season 2 when the toys got smaller and had more plastic like the stunticons and combaticons. Then the movie came out and killed most of the season 1 bros and they dropped the show entirely Then you have kids who came into the show around season 2 and 3 and they are just fine with alien robots with hips and tits. Beast wars kids don't see the fuss. And energon and armada kids have no taste and want to fuck starscream because he is a hero and don't understand why fuijos like the old one
>>143273011Earth was just an incredibly resource rich planet with a thousand different ways of generating energon. Pretty much anything that made electricity or chemical energy could be used to make energon. Electric generators, crude oil, flammable chemicals, solar panels, human slaves turning a turbine generator.. just anything each episode worked. Cybertron turned out to be a mostly dead, artificial world that did not even orbit a star. So really just any reasonable sized planet with geological activity or a decent star nearby could have solved almost all of the cybertronians energy woes.
>>143273051I think it's because, in an ironic sense, stuff like Sparks and Primus and spirituality helps ground them and set concise rules for how they work. When they're just robots it always ends up with people asking why they can't just rebuild themselves constantly or copy their brain patterns to a new body when they die. The spark thing helps explain just what makes a being unique.Animated did attempt to, implicitly, bring things back to G1 cartoon level(the allspark stands out but i the show proper they avoid any of the Primus stuff attached to it)As far as Primus, it's just more of thematically matching thing than the Quintessons, who are kind of random as designs. A giant robot creating small robots.
>>143275685>And yet another has earth being a giant sleeping fembotHot
>>143273051Because being a species makes them into actual individuals and not factory floor bots that are totally interchangeable with each other. Cybertronians are always portrayed as individuals with very individual personalities, that are in no way resembling some programmed android. Primus gives them an actual purpose for existing, and a good mythology behind the whole story, now they are a species with ambitions, thoughts, opinions, and an overall function vital to the universe. If they were G1 factory bots then they are just plain ol robots that shoot lasers at each other and they have no real purpose or drive at all. They are just star wars droids that meander along for no reason, and shoot lasers also for no reason.Frankly I don't understand the G1 spergs that insist on them being meaningless robots with no purpose in the universe. Why do you want them to be a meaningless existence anyway? you actually wnt them to be Star Wars droids that ultimately do not matter? Why in the fuck would anyone want meaningless characters as antagonists?
>>143279544This is so wrong. You can have a mass produced species and still have them be individuals. To me, a robot unlocking its own infinite potential beyond its programming is way more interesting than "oh robot jesus did it"
>>143275820Scale never meant shit to anyone. Astrotrain routinely ferried every decepticon around in space and transformed looked like he should be Devastator sized. Cosmos was maybe 10 feet tall and ferried 3-4 Autobots around at a time too. Motormaster is the same size as Optimus, but when he forms Menasor, the torso is 3-5 times the size of Optimus. On a basic level, The Seekers should all be triple Optimus' height since F15s are 65 feet long.no one ever gave a shit about scale.
>>143279318>As far as Primus, it's just more of thematically matching thing than the Quintessons, who are kind of random as designs. A giant robot creating small robots.I feel like quints are actually transformers and not a separate race. Several forms of tf media have implied this but I don't think any run long enough with a single writer to reveal it. I think G1 was implying it but moved on to headmasters before they could reveal it
>>143279544>Frankly I don't understand the G1 spergs that insist on them being meaningless robots with no purpose in the universe. Why do you want them to be a meaningless existence anyway? you actually wnt them to be Star Wars droids that ultimately do not matter? Why in the fuck would anyone want meaningless characters as antagonists?It's guys that were 8 when empire and Jedi came out. They are in a different headspace than kids that were 8 for season 2 and 3
>>143279544You kind of forgot Star Wars has the lore that if a droid memory is not routinely wiped, or goes too long between wipes, they develop personalities and emotions on their own. It's just a natural event for a droid to start acting more and more alive the longer it functions and interacts with others.
>>143279680Droid revolts are also semi occurring things in the setting as well. Which is why restraining bolts are commonly used everywhere, and droids have such strict rules.
>>143279680This wasn't sw lore yet when the tf fandom really started to split on this in 84 to 86
>>143279680>>143279708The Empire Strikes Back novelization points out that 3P0 actually doesn't have emotions at all. He is just programmed to act like an emotional humanoid since interacting with aliens is his prime function. But deep down does not really understand human emotions or reactions at all. It's contradictory since he does get very noticeably angry a few times in the movies. So it's hard to explain away that it was all just AI mimicking humanoids the entire time.
>>143273004There's a Matrix comic by Neil Gaiman where aliens do come across Matrix Earth and decide to just wipe it out by chucking asteroids at it.
>>143277277The bios don't mean shit either, anon. Literally everything canon comes from the cartoon.
>>143279074Diaclone came first, secondary comicstard.
>>143275685>In the old cartoon it's because the earth has a lot of different fuels that can be used to create energon.Hot
>>143279237Sparks and magic space souls were retarded. It's proof gatekeeping should be mandatory to prevent such retarded ideas from taking root. Transformers are robots whose AI developed into full sentience.
>>143279777>It's contradictory since he does get very noticeably angry a few times in the movies. So it's hard to explain away that it was all just AI mimicking humanoids the entire time.A super complex AI is just an I. The human mind is just a series of feedback loops that are so robust and complicated that we can't consciously fully understand them.
>>143273051I always wanted some mind fuckery in which Cybertron turns out to be Earth from a far-away future and the bots were originally created by humans and fulfilling the actions they pre-programmed into them which is why Cons fight wars even if wars aren't necessary and Autobots do their daily jobs to make human life better until their awareness develops far enough to make some of them realise that they are working for nobody anymore since humans are long since extinct and they start to take over and use the houses they made for humans for themselves. There are always robots that would fight that sort of rebellion since it means they're acting against their own instincts which explains the whole rebellion and why some of them fail to find a meaning in life outside of war.It would also be a new way of bringing humans in so I am sure it will never happen since humans need to be central for the series and here they would only appear in flashbacks.
>>143280457That really doesn't mean they would be genderless though. A species that evolved to sentience might still specialize and produce something like gender with units that protect, fight, and some that have internal factories to produce more units. Going to a central computer to produce a working mind is kind of a lot of work and a a strict population bottleneck. Building more bots has zero bottle neck which just makes the story stupid There has to be enough of a bottleneck to prevent the autobots and cons from zurg rushing each other as soon as they get to energy rich earth, but not so strict that it's just stupid like having to funnel all new life through a master computer
>>143280674>It would also be a new way of bringing humans in so I am sure it will never happen since humans need to be central for the series and here they would only appear in flashbacks.Transformers are at their best when humans are not an important part of the story
>>143280699>and some that have internal factories to produce more units.Except that this isn't the case in TF so you cannot apply it onto TF to explain gender because you need it since you would be insecure whiteknighting your waifus otherwise.Not the anon you replied to.
>>143280731I hate humans too but it's the psychological part that intrigues me and the premise I talked about would make 100% sure that human would never ever appear on screen outside of some flashback before the time of Nova Prime. I find the insight interesting that thematizes creatures reaching a new step of clarity that makes them realise that their instincts were superimposed by a foreign entity that is long since dead and irrelevant and that using the planet in the right way means destroying it some degree. Besides that all of this would just be the backstory, nothing else. The present would just be the aftermath of what such a radical paradigm shift would do to a society once created to be nothing but slaves. I mean you can exchange humans for Quints here but I prefer series in which humanity is dead. You can still have ruins that might influence some of the bots. Like how religious bots might have some of their ideas from human religions or the bits of information about them that survived over the ages.
>>143280674This reminds me of a line at the end of the cartoon's three-part pilot, where Spike muses into a journal about "I'm not sure if they're from the past or the future, but they can think and have real feelings". Sort of felt as though the writers were just leaving every possible door open for an eventual explanation about the origins of the species before they stumbled into the Quintessons and grafted them on.I don't actually have any objections to the idea of a robot rebellion story, even though it is a bit rote, but I do think the Quintessons were weird candidates for the role of a creator race. It basically involved overhauling them into a different bunch of characters from how they're portrayed in the movie (re: hopelessly insane).Also, the original plan for IDW2 was that the exiled Autobots would first encounter humanity as a space-faring civilisation.
>>143280948Yeah this is part of my reasoning too. The Quints are cool, but I prefer them insane, kind of mysterious beings from space and having them as the physical creators makes them more human, albeit in a bad way. Plus, humanoid creators would even give some in-universe explanation for why TFs look so humanlike when pure machines with built-in radar would fulfill their roles better than a guy with two legs, mouth and human eyes that makes him blind for the things happening behind him. Their architecture is pretty human too, despite the futuristic touch.>>143280948>the original plan for IDW2 was that the exiled Autobots would first encounter humanity as a space-faring civilisationI would have loved that too. A shame we never witnessed it. I can see the issues anons had with Ruckley, but I will never deny that his premises are fantastic. He should write the rough script for a series and someone else translate it into storyboards. Though I believe that IDW2 was doomed no matter how good it was, simply because the name IDW was attached to it and even the IDW fans largely refused to read it since they were still pissed about the cancellation of 1.
>>143281043>why TFs look so humanlike when pure machines with built-in radar would fulfill their roles better than a guy with two legsAren't the Autobots "consumer goods"? It makes more sense if they're designed to be marketable and aesthetically appealing to a broad galactic user base.
>>143281317Even then they have to be created by someone that way. I guess it also depends on what was developed earlier, perfect AI robots that eventually become sentient or space travel. And if it's the latter it depends on how the aliens look. There is no general appeal since every species considers different things attractive or pretty and it's related to their sexuality. To many animals (and myself, for some reason and despite not being a furry) horns are attractive for example. In a similar way muscles or tits are attractive to humans. A different humanoid species might consider these parts disgusting since their own kind is flat so tits and muscles might look like a deformation.
>>143280409The cartoon couldn't even get the colors of Rumble and Frenzy correct.
>>143280948I think the robot rebellion story for Transformers is really unique because it's a Good Outcome. It's not like Terminator or The Matrix where organics are subjugated. A race that has systematically removed any sense of goodness from themselves creates a race of robot products that are capable of feeling, wanting, and loving.
>>143281405>>143281317yeah the consumer goods explanation has always been the clearest to me. And in G1 a bunch of alien races just look like humans
>>143281449rumble is blue and frenzy is red
>>143281449I still can't tell them apart since there are bunch of comics that do the opposite as the cartoon
>>143279563>>143281513Said it beautifully there anons.
>>143280409>Literally everything canon comes from the cartoon.Holding such an opinion at this point is fucking asinine.
An idea that Furman was building towards when he was the sole architect of IDWs run was that Cybertronians came about as the end result of a post-human evolutionary step. A sufficiently advanced biological civilisation progresses to being bio-mechanical and then makes the metamorphosis to full-fledged cybernetic life. Some of the villains hasten this process for their own ends across an entire planet; the inhabitants undergo a strange collective amnesia and when things settle they refer to their homeworld as "Cybertron".This all got contradicted and torn up by subsequent writers, but it's a neat idea nevertheless.
>>143281972This is also cool. I never understood why fans hated Furman, especially since he was very well liked in the past and the hatred felt like it came out of nowhere and suddenly. Doesn't help that everytime I see someone shitting on him they bring up feminism, so I guess it isn't even about his talent.I hope he'll write more Astro Bots. That series was fantastic, I just want it to be longer. Have no hope that Skybound will ever get him back as writer for TF.
>>143282138These days his dialogue and overall plotting are quite poor. His initial slow burn premise for a post-Dreamwave status quo was solid, but he devoted far too much time and attention to his Dead Universe concept that ultimately failed to finds its footing. His stint at the helm of Regeneration One shows that his writing style and priorities aren't up to scratch anymore, which is reflected in his inability to get any acclaim in the wider comics industry.
>>143281449>>143281537this. Blue Rumble is so goddamn cool and i refuse to agree with the opposite.
>>143282138>especially since he was very well liked in the past and the hatred felt like it came out of nowhere and suddenly.there was a very specific reason for that
>>143282357Those are valid arguments for once, I even agree here. I think he developed, though. His newer stuff is great. His old series usually had very good worldbuilding and lore but the way he conveyed it was stiff, some series had too many lore dumping in textboxes, opposed to convey the story through art and the dialogues were often wooden. Think he god much better but didn't have many chances to show that anymore after early IDW.
>>143282581Yeah and as said, the reason is dumb and sudden and honestly I don't give a shit about it. I want enjoyable series I don't care what "problematic" shit obsessed people interpret into it.
>>143280699I didn't say anything about gender. Who gives a fuck about that shit.Also building has a bottleneck of resources. Transformers been fighting a war for 4 million years. When your options are build a gun or build someone to use it, you might have to weigh logistics a bit differently, especially if you're fighting over resources.
Sex with Scorponok
>>143281449What do you mean? Of course they got it correct. The blue guy who makes earthquakes is Rumble. It's other sources that are wrong, retard.
>>143283149>cartoon tranny calls other people retardedHeh. Funny.
>>143283149He's talking about animation errors I assume. Of course the cartoon got them right since it created them
>>143282138His writing was always shit. Marvel and especially Marvel UK were fucking garbage stories.
>>143283175Cool story bro. How'd you enjoy actual tranny Arcee brought to you by your twisted toothed island goblin?
>>143283229Cope harder cartroon tranny.
>>143283229I'm pretty sure they eventually reveal that transformers had females all along and sentinel just made jhiaxus hide them so when he turned Arcee back she was just too retarded to remember she was a woman
>>143283178I mean, the toys created them. The cartoon just got the model sheets muddled up.
>>143283260The retcon is that rather than introducing the idea of sexual dimorphism to the Transformer race in order to ward off stagnation and decline, Jhiaxus was actually attempting to recapture and revive something that had become lost to their race over time. This is apparently a development unique to Cybertron proper, as all of the colonies encountered in the latter half of IDW1 have women.
>>143283260God I love Sentinel
>>143283370>JHIAXUS REMOVE THOSE ROASTIES FROM MY SIGHT
>>143283370Despite its faults I really like IDW2's design for Sentinel Prime. Keeps its simple and intetifiable.
>>143283531Yeah he wasn't even a bad guy. His problem was his rigid clinging to Nominus' policy instead of daring to change and adapt. He is basically a conservative that sticks to a concept that led to an almost utopian world in the past but fails to address current issues. I wouldn't call him the culprit though. The real issue is the complete loss of authority and senators that pursued their own goals instead of listening and working together. I honestly doubt that any modern democracy could even effectively fight off a movement like the Decepticons and their lies in that continuity. I know my own place failed do it more than once.
>>143283531Isn't it just his Titans Return toy?
>>143283531I like it too. I also love Dreamwave Sentinel but the glaring orange guy is more iconic, despite being a Astrotrain remold. I wish they would stick to that one if they ever let him appear again. >>143283734Yes. But honestly I like it. It's weird that IDW1 didn't draw him like that considering that toy was released with the series of the same name. Or was it sold later and they didn't know the details yet? TR IDW Sentinel is yellow instead of orange and he has no wings.
>>143275685> Earth is a bitch that's a home-wrecker and kills ALL of her children if they don't "move out" in time100% in-character for real life Earth.
>>143283796They used his toy design when he came back for the Titans Return event (although for some reason he had black armor over it).
>>143256105 Yes, but several years before that game came out.
>>143262753 I think you completly didn't understand something that clearly explained in that very post you responded to; the robot is a vessel, not a source.
>>143283237>n-no uGreat comeback downy. How's it feel buying another 10 years of G1 cartoon accurate figures knowing no one cares about your bri'ish fanfiction?
>>143257320 Consider this: You have 10.000 (random number) creatures that can't die by old age, but could be destroyed by external factors. Ever Aeon, one dies. OVer 10.000 Aeons, there will be no more by logic. Even disregarding different opinions leading to wars, or god like enemies that hate this creature, brother to their maker, that hates them, at some point something will happen and kill one. You can't go through forever and not face all statistical possibilities, because even an astronomical number becomes a certainty after a certain point. Therefore, it follows that in infinite time, against a finite number, the finite number will always amount to nothing. That leads to believe that despite their life frame being consider "infinite" they, being not indestructible, have a limited time frame before extinction become a certainty.
>>143284810>that can't die by old age,As usual, that depends on the continuity.
Everytime I see IDW1 Scorponok I have to think of that one grill who shipped him with Flame and used like half of her income for commissions of them. I think she made every active TF artists that was open for comms at that time draw that particular ship at least once. I googled Flame fanart since I liked him but there was like one artwork that wasn't related to her stuff and she made others make like 50 pictures of them. I remember admiring that dedication, she's probably the only person in the world that was into that ship but that didn't stop her.
>>143257218>gets out of bed wearing Hollywood make-up>goes to the mirror to put on more make-upNot a terrible goof, but amusing nonetheless.
TRANSFORMERS: THE BASICS on ROCK LORDShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKFLy6o5vR0
>>143284830 Ok, first, shut up. Just shut up. I like you because seeing your name reminds me that 'some' people that had been here a long time are still here, but you are still a namefag and and I hate you. i.e. shut up Boco Second, I was just pointing out that even if they were immortal, over a long enough time, they will destined to extinction so long as their number was limited. Still, fair enough, then it's a lot faster that they will disappear if their sparks aren't eternal.
>>143284932Yes sir...But you're right, just as often they're shown to have no way of increasing their numbers, especially after the war breaks out.
>>143280948>Also, the original plan for IDW2 was that the exiled Autobots would first encounter humanity as a space-faring civilisation.True? What is the source of this?I liked IDW2, I wish it had lasted several years longer, just the beginning was VERY slow.I also liked your origin for the Decepticons, with Megatron being a far-right populist politician, instead of having his origins as a miner who stood up against an oppressive government, as it seems like every Transformers series has been using it for over 15 years, since Dreamwave, IDW1 and Aligned/Prime.I think IDW2 is highly underrated.
>>143284948>True? What is the source of this?A panel at TFNation in 2022 where Ruckley reflected on his time writing for the comic, his inspirations/priorities, and unused ideas that wouldn't see the light of day due to the cancellation.
>>143284948Is Megatron a miner in Dream wave? I just recall them reusing the old Marvel UK gladiator origin.
>>143279680R2-D2 has a personality?
>>143285103He absolutely does. He's a rude, cantankerous dustbin.
>>143285130How come Clone Wars never showed this?
>>143254169Thoughts on the Transfomers: One Trailer and ditching Peter Cullen?
>>143285071Wished we would have gotten more of these or some other interviews that go more into details, Ruckley's concepts are a goldmine. I think that Malkova must know a lot, since she hyped for events that sounded like they must/would have taken place quite some time in the future. Probably a future we never ended up seeing. I wish her life was less shit so that she might give some further hints or talk about it, she was active as hell again right after the end of IDW2 but then more shit kept happening and she disappeared for good reasons.
>tfw you will never have a qt autistic black gf rant to you for an hour about transformer anatomyhttps://youtu.be/Gx3Guy-Ic4A?si=TvqTNm5Ub1g_Ix9w
>>143285184Not OP but I think it's shit. The only good thing I can say about it is that the backgrounds are great. I also don't even care about Cullen (and don't even remember his voice since I last heard him like 20 years ago) but Orion's voice is outright bad IMO.
>>143285185>I wish her life was less shit so that she might give some further hints or talk about it, she was active as hell again right after the end of IDW2 but then more shit kept happening and she disappeared for good reasons.Elaborate?
>>143285184Having Cullen voice a teenage character wouldn't really work. The trailer doesn't fill me with enthusiasm, but some of the things people have pieced together from snippets sound like it could be interesting, assuming the tone isn't overwhelmingly insipid and annoying.
>>143285301Becoming a TF artist was her dream and she became a fan of IDW2 and it ended prematurely when everything got cancelled.She also got cancer. And the country she comes from started a full-scale war against the country many of her friends and some family members come from to kill the latter. AFAIK some of the people she knows disappeared or died too.
>>143285103Everything he says is translated in the books. And he is kind of an asshole that bitches people out.
>>143285415which books?
>>143285415which comics should I read?
>>143283331>rather than introducing the idea of sexual dimorphism to the Transformer race in order to ward off stagnation and declineThis was literally never the case.
>>143285541It's brought up by Galvatron in Barber's book; the one that was called RiD but then switched to just being "Transformers". Jhiaxus wanted to resurrect aspects of lost Cybertronian history, which included things like combiners and (apparently) sexual dimorphism.
>>143280748>Except that this isn't the case in TF so you cannot apply it onto TF to explain gender because you need it since you would be insecure whiteknighting your waifus otherwise.>Not the anon you replied to.Is this reply supposed to make sense?
>>143285167Beats me I don’t watch much Star Wars stuff after the 80s unless Genndy was on it
>>143285739Anon, please read what I quoted and refuted.Jhiaxus didn't make Arcee a girl so she could fuck. He didn't give her a goddamn robopussy. He changed her GENDER. Transformers do not have physical sexes.
>>143285739You:>[A] happened like this, and then [B] happened like this.Them:>You are wrong about [A]. [A] did not happen that way.You:>Yes, [B] did happen like I said.Are you fucking stupid?
>>143285184Cullen's 82, it was bound to happen sooner or laterHemsworth does fine and probably won't be taking over the cartoons in full, but you never knowthe movie is obviously aimed at kids/Mario Movie enjoyers, but so what? it's far from the worst TF media of all time, and visually looks a lot more interesting (and character focused, instead of toy of the month focused) than most, and honestly I don't really need another gritty "give me your face" movie, fully animated or otherwise, or another fuckawful shitshow visually like War for Cybertron
>>143285184Bumblebee was shit.
>>143285184Cartoon Orion Pax wasn't Cullen either. His voice actor was Laurie Faso, who also voiced Divebomb, Rampage, and Skydive.
>>143286382>it's far from the worst TF media of all time,THANK YOU. Theres no way this will be worse than Energon, Prime Wars, or Last Knight. And for that alone its worth giving a try.
>>143285184Why does a dtv movie get a big trailer?
>>143286473>dtvAnon...
>>143285167because Filoni is a bitch.
>>143283796I love IDW Sentinel
>>143287385IDW1 or 2?
>>143287404Yes
Wasn't the meta narrative of Sentinel that he was a blatant Trump expy, literally orange bot bad, that the writers put in to have a caricature all the readers would love to hateBut then he was so over the top he became too entertaining and readers loved himThen writers threw a temper tantrum and killed him off way early
>>143287643But that might be nonsense I made up
>>143287427>CYBERTRON HAS FALLEN
>>143287643Not really. He was always a racist dick. He only came back to pimp his new toy, then was killed off for being useless just as quickly.
>>143287643Uh oh, the election tourists aren't going to like this take...
>>143287643retard
>>143285184The Megatron isn't even recognizable as Megatron and I'm so fucking tired of Bumblebee
Anons, true opinion only.Do transformers should have actual sexes, evem if that eventually leads to troonsformers? Or its better for them to just be robots who just decide what gender they are depending on the culture they visit?
>>143275320Is he the guy who draws hot Jack Darby with a huge cock?
>>143273664Anon, they were created by a robot god.
>>143279615Not to mention. Broadside who could turn into a fighter jet... or an aircraft carrier
How do you feel about this little twerp getting a greatly-expanded backstory and motives in the Japanese side of the franchise?
>>143287643not unless you think anybody gave a shit about trump's politics in 2011, or in 2007 when Sentinel was originally killed off, and while yeah they brought him back and killed him off again in 2016, he was literally just Babby's First Dictator with a stupid plan, so if that reminds you of ornj mam then I guess enjoy sucking dick for nickels all your life
>>143287907>The Megatron isn't even recognizable as MegatronD-16 is supposed to be young, early Megatron, just like how Orion Pax is a young, early Optimus Prime. D-16 has the facial structure of the final Megatron design, but with the yellow eyes and rounded black helmet of the early Megatron designs used in the very first comic issues and toy commercials.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxcQzEo9eLk
>>143289256>>143287907And the trailer even shows us his final form, so quit your bitching.
Transformers One looks and feels like an extended episode of Cyberverse or Earthspark.
>>143254169BB?
>>143288510My personal head canon is call of the primitives is a made up story grimlock tells or is his dream. That's why it looks so different and the plot is so stupid
>>143280674>I always wanted some mind fuckery in which Cybertron turns out to be Earth from a far-away futureScioli's Gobots comic was basically that.>>143288159giving them sexes is stupid, they are robots. having fembots just means that they are mimicing the planet they are visiting, it is no different than Jazz originally having a cyber hovercar alt mode but changing it to a Porsche 935 on Earth.>>143286174gender and sex is the same (only mental patients think otherwise), and sexual dimorphism is a completely different thing altogether.
>>143288510I'm honestly fine with it, since he's technically Unicron's creator. That's a huge claim to fame within the setting itself, even if Primacron himself is underwhelming. Elaborating on what kind of person would ever make something like Unicron is understandable.My main objection is that it makes Unicron a known quantity and also incredibly mundane, but that's a different matter. I'm also surprised that none of the more recent continuities have ever plucked Tornedron from obscurity, given that he's essentially Unicron But Better.
>>143287385This guys's popularity is so weird. I love him but there is only like one single western fanartist who is into him, a few Korean and Chinese artists (though the latter prefer his early IDW1 design) and otherwise it's solely /co/ liking him while the rest of the fandom hated him in the past and ignores him in the present. >>143287643Only in Titan's Return. Before Sentinel was decently written by Dreamwave authors. JRo first adapted this and since he didn't have much screentime he had no time to fuck him up like his other villains. Way later the TR event happened and you are basically right with the criticism part, but he wasn't a Trump parody. He was a caricature of a volcel ultra-orthodox rightwinger (and shooter). Trump doesn't call women disgusting and his behavior is very different. The Trump associations were projections of fans because of the color and their obsession with election drama. JRo was much more focused on UK politicians anyway.
>>143292893The Infinitus retcon made Sentinel a good deal worse and embodies IDW's weird reflex to introduce things from "even FURTHER back into a forgotten era".
>>143287385I always forget how fucking huge he is. Soundwave is a fucking midget that looks like a kid standing in front of him and he is even a bit bigger than Megatron himself.
Why did Transformers comics die?
>>143265865imagine female munky
>>143293324They're still making them, anon.
>>143293003I liked a lot of the shit Roberts did but one part he was comically bad at was writing showdowns between protags and villains. He can introduce antagonists as diverse, intriguing characters. Like you have Tarn, an autistic bureaucrat with hobbies that only kills his own people, Pharma a formerly good, talented guy turning into a self-hating emotionally unstable doc later, you have Overlord who was a genuine psychopath from the start and Getaway who was rightfully rebelling and so on.It's all great. But eventually Roberts turns them into the same cartoony type of maniac to avoid reasonable conflicts and force the MCs to kill them and ignore the valid points they have made. It never brought the emotional payoff readers were tempted with either. It's most blatantly visible with the change of writing of Getaway, but all villains have this problem including Sentinel Prime.
>>143254169No. Transformers reproduction is fucking simple.>Primus creates spark.>Spark goes to inhabit protoform.>Protoform shapes into new Cybertronian.In this case Skorponok did this because at this point traditional Cybertronian reproduction stopped and now there is a fixed number of bots. So him extracting sparks from dead bots, doing a full tabula rasa on them and then implanting them into organic bodies in order for them to grow a personality is justified. Along with extracting said spark from the organic body and then putting it into a robotic form.It's more like a strange form of necromancy.That and this point in the IDW Transformers never got a conclusion. Last time this was seen it was Grimlock "adopting it" and carring in his chest compartment.
>>143292893With Sentinel I think it's in part because 2016 was when the comics popularity was waning. Plus there's other Sentinel interpretations that are more popular.>The Trump associations were projections of fans because of the color and their obsession with election drama. JRo was much more focused on UK politicians anyway.But John Barber wrote most of the stuff people were comparing to Trump, and he's American. And it's not that weird to draw comparisons. Obviously it's not an exact caricature because Sentinel is way worse than trump- but that's sort of the point of parody.
>>143257605>Megatronus is a piece of shit for doing that.As I remember he was manipulated into killing her due to Liege Maximo.It didn't help he was already mentally on the edge.When he snapped back he didn't take it well what he did.
>>143293405Yeah, all of Roberts' baddies behave in the exact same way and it's incredibly frustrating. What he did with Getaway annoyed the hell out of me.
>>143293562>That and this point in the IDW Transformers never got a conclusion.Presumably it contributes to the population resurgence brought about by the Luna One hotspot and bringing the Functionist Cybertron over into the main universe.
>>143293003A revived DW/early IDW1 Sentinel could have been one of the most intriguing antagonists of the comic as a former ruler that returns millions of years later to witness a dead cybertron and a world after the war that he barely even witnessed himself before he died. Instead, he was rewritten into an entirely different comical maniac. I could say the same about Nova and his return. He was just a random grunt then that got onehit and forgotten a few panels later. Missed chances.
>>143293026Yeah Sentinel is HUGE
>>143257448I think there's a funny joke opportunity here though
>>143279615If Optimus transformed like Motormaster, then he would be perfectly scaled to the seekers since a full tractor trailer is about 65-70 feet long. But if things kept to scale then Megatron and Shockwave would be targetmasters. But it would be interesting if the Autobots had to be gestalts just to handle guys like Starscream and Skywarp. Imagine the standard Autobots were more like Protectobots and Stunticons who combined to punch up to the seekers.
>>143258492Used to be the same thing before libtards decided to reinvent souls
>>143288510>>143292352Unicron really should not have been all that hard to explain. There are a few reasons for a really big robot.>Ancient superweapon from some alien race way back when. >Quintessons made another factory world like Cybertron except the entire world AI went rogue and chased them off. >Quintessons built Unicron to be a counter to rogue Cybertron in case the transformers decide to attack their former masters.>Multiple alien species built Unicron as a means of stopping Cybertron aggression if their millions of years long war ever spills out to the rest of the universe>Group of Cybertronians that escaped the war decided Cybertron was a total lost cause and built a super weapon to destroy it
>>143294738...Unicron WAS explained you fucking no fan faggot.
>>143275820I think it's more because Citybots tend to lack personality due to not having a lot of ability to interact due to size difference.
>>143294738>Ancient superweapon from some alien race way back when.This is what he ends up being in IDW.
>>143279615Also, there was like an official piece of art that showed Menasor towering over a several story building, making every car limb look like it was like 7 stories tall.
>>143285184Its got potential. Sad that Cullen isn't involved, but its been that way for a while. My gripes with it:Mouths, mouths for everyone. I want Prime to have a PERMENANT face plate, and its going to be more of this battle mask bullshit, Im sure. Organic life on Cybertron is bullshit. I hate that part of it. Hopefully, its fits the narrative in a good way. If Cybertron used to be an earth-like plant I will be greatly disappointed. Its aimed for kids but I know why they did it. Hopefully, they can still have some solid fight scenes.
>>143263336>Ah, it was the destroyer of worlds, but it had a fatal weakness of getting shot a lot!Kek. It is a common fatal weakness
>>143294815>Organic life on Cybertron is bullshit. I hate that part of it. Hopefully, its fits the narrative in a good way. If Cybertron used to be an earth-like plant I will be greatly disappointed.considering how there's those lines in the trailer about not going to the surface, and the fact that it seems like they're having the Quints be involved, I'm willing to bet that might be something they're responsible for.
>>143285184>>143294815My issue is the cringe comedy that it seems to be full of and the fact the bots are beyond ugly, especially the faces. I can somewhat accept Megs but not the others.Granted, the comedy of Cyberverse was cringe too (just as with most other TF cartoons), albeit not nearly as extreme as this. Still, I liked CV so it could have garbage comedy and still work, theoretically. It even has an annoying, forced in Bumblebee, like CV. But my guts tell me that there won't be anything good to make up for the jokes and the ugly designs. Cyberverse had better designs, sometimes bad but less annoying comedy and had a huge cast of characters that guaranteed that some of your favorites are in whereas the movie seems to stuck to the same tired top ten fuckers I grew to dislike thanks to over-representation. That aside the voices are kinda shit.
>>143266594Well that's the debate through every continuinty. They apparently have gender and you don't get gender without sex. But why would robots have s sex (m/f) and if they have a sex then do they have sex (fuck)? If they have sex for non-reproductive purposes what's the rate of homosexuality vs hetero and why would either exist at all? Anyways it's not m-preg because transformers don't get pregnant period. It's an incubator box anyone can carry. Now if he had to nourish the fetus with his own energy....
>>143266594This. Wanting to fuck "male" Transformers is NOT gay.
>>143294984>and you don't get gender without sex.incorrect>Now if he had to nourish the fetus with his own energy....see >>143275999
>>143257635Found the flaming faggot.
>>143273051Simple, concise & straightforward but I partially agree with >>143273055 regarding sparks. You could take a more challenging route and have them be like humans with "no spark" and the bodies sanctity being the only thing that makes the personality.
>>143273664I think energy being with robot body makes most sense to justify them having alt forms. Although the thought of metal skin, comprised of elements we just don't have on earth is intriguing and opens up the possible explanations for those with gender or can't transform/animal forms. But then you need to explain reproduction without sparks
>>143273051Because you are retarded
>>143275632The "male" autobots often have huge chests though. If the fembot incubated the spark what do the males contribute? Do they build the protoform together?
>>143285184As far as I can tell the trailer of One is hyped by the same fans that obsess over Earthspark so I am not getting my hopes up that it will be good. There are no terrans and humans though so maybe it will be at least better. The designs are worse though, so there is that. I actually care about the look in VISUAL media.
>>143295017>incorrectYou're retarded if you think otherwise. How can "social role of man" or "woman" exist if men and women don't exist to begin with?
>>143295567I hated EarthSpark but like the trailer. Well, I dislike the trailer, but I think it's just a bad trailer and the actual movie will be good. The visuals, plot, and designs all look good to me.
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>>143295621I don't get where that shit is coming from anyway, weren't it the progressives that claimed that gender was a social construct 10 years ago? What happened with that? How did they go from "gender isn't a thing" to being obsessed with gender and their own gender identity, I am not american so I feel like I missed most of the narrative here. My culture doesn't even have a word for gender. Anyway I don't want to drag this off-topic shit on. This was just my two cents. >>143295695Yeah I hope this is the case. They usually emphasise the stupid scenes in trailer since they assume that this is what the mass is into. We haven't even seen Sentinel in it. Not a fan of the designs but I hope it will be fine. ES has some good designs (and Bee is likeable for once), but the narrative and the 7 MC kids make it unbearable and the human OC villain didn't help.
>>143295753>and the human OC villain didn't help.The human OC character is based on a G1 human villian.
>>143257175>Human women seem to only want jets.You're quite mistaken; Human women are fond to cars and trucks too.https://youtu.be/2mup9WetheI?si=pECgQiVVmKEiia9f&t=12
>>143255970>What seeing Latina pussy does to a cybertronian.
lot of Simon Furmans in the thread
>>143296197???
>>143294657That could be an intriguing setting for a new TF show. Sorta reminds me how the default decepticons in Animated were giganiggas that needed the whole team to defeat.
Realistic saying, wouldn't pretenders / maximals/predacon transformers more suitable for cross species romance with human woman/men ?Threse three are the group that are bio robotic, unlike regular transformer who are pure robotic ? Iam sure a lot of women would love to romance with dinobot
>>143296264Pretenders aren't inherently biorobotic. There are Transformers with fully mechanical pretender shells.
>>143296264In my mind the progression from Transformers to Headmasters/Pretenders to technorganic forms represents a convergence with organics. They meet us, mirror us, and eventually become us, and through things like Headmaster bonding, the same thing happens to us until the boundaries start to blur.Kind of like what happened in Megaman Zero/ZX
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>>143296353>tfw Mega Man/Transformers crossover never ever
